Thank you for joining us. You're listening to Live from the Path on livefromthepath.com. Livefromthepath.org. Mike, what are you doing? The wife said nice things to me. I'm smiling from ear to ear. Nobody said anything nice to me. You don't even have your phone on you. I'm sure of it. No, that's true. That's true. I don't. Anyway, sorry. You're listening to Live from the Path on Des Moines Amplified.com and livefromthepath.org. Thank you so much for joining us tonight. All right. With us in studio is Mike DeMastis. Hello. Hi, Mike. Hey. How are you? I'm doing very well. Yeah. What? That's twice. What do you keep looking at me like that for? Because that's where the conversation is. What do you want me to do? Stare about the wall? I don't know. I'm getting a wily eye from you. Not the regular. Speaking of wily eye, so noticeably absent today is Dan Hudson. Indeed. Do you remember what he was up to? Yeah, he's going to a conference, a pastor focused on the family conference in Colorado. I see. Church expendables, as it sounds. Yeah.

That's not what I read on Facebook. What did he say? Something about a license plate, something. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I couldn't remember if Daniel was one of those guys that doesn't put it over the other sticker, but goes around his license plate with his renewal stickers. Do you do that, DeMastis? No. I just tack them right on each other, man. Here's the thing. These instructions are on the new plates. It says place over current sticker, you know, or remove old sticker and then insert new sticker. Yeah. And I have a very respected friend of mine that is, I love him dearly, but he does this. I mean, he circles it all the way around like he's trying to make a border, you know, and I don't know, especially it looks ridiculous on like a brand new car. Like you keep your old plates and then you're rocking the hillbilly, you know, with the stickers all the way around. It just looks ridiculous. That's awesome. Is that what you call it, Olsen? License plate bingo? Yeah. Yeah. You can pick him out. Like, that's a guy that I don't like to get next to on a highway because I assume he's a maniac. So I was actually out of a bit of a moral dilemma on the way here anyway. Here's the thing is they sell those Jesus fish to anybody. You know, it's not like they ask for it. Breach. They don't ask for any type of, you know, prerequisite for you to buy this fish. Are you a card carrying Christ follower? Otherwise you can't have this fish. Well, it's so unfairly I see the Jesus fish and I go, ah, you know, it's fine, you know, but it ain't fine. So I got behind. I was trapped by a train on the way here and I was running late and then they closed the road that I usually take because of flooding. And I get into, I take a left on the Grand and I'm hauling Grand through here right by the fairgrounds and it's 30 miles an hour of speed limit. And so I get behind a guy that's going 15, 15 into 30. I mean, obviously he has nowhere to be. I mean, that's safe, man. Yeah. 15 anywhere. That's safe. So I literally, I passed him without going over the speed limit. I've never passed anyone on a residential street and not broken the speed limit. And I've done it today. And I couldn't decide, you know, I was mad at him. I was like, you gotta be kidding me, you know? And then he had the Jesus fish and I thought, oh, that's like top speed on my moped, man. Well, but you look like you're moving on the moped at 15. Your hair's kind of blowing back. Stuff's falling out the back of the flag.

Unless, you know, somebody's running beside you. Do you tend to, do you tend to get around on moped generally? Oh yeah. Yeah. How long have you done this? People, you know, some people in my church laugh at me, but I love it, man. No. I think it's awesome. No. No. I don't, I don't believe that one for one second. It's, there is nothing more sexy to a woman than a grown fat man on a moped. Well, then it's true because they actually have time to actually check you out as you go by. Exactly. And really get a good look at you. I post those guys on, on what they call real bikes. Yeah. That are tootin' by with, you know, way fast. It's not fog, it's my piglet. I understand completely. Now, do you wear that bright orange shirt when you're on that moped? Yeah, this is, this is Iowa DOT, you know, you know, standard issue. I was gonna say, it does look like you're about to bust out and do some road work. Or at least watch someone else do some road work. Or do some time. I'm a prison orange. What's the, what's, what's the address down here? What do you mean? What do you mean, what do I mean?

Like in the building? Yeah. I don't know. Like if someone who was gonna be on the show here in a little bit asked what the address was. He's been here before. I know, I don't know what to tell him. Anglinger, you've been here before. He can't hear, he's not on the show yet. Oh, sorry. Seventh and locust. Is it seventh? Yeah. Okay. Well, I'm gonna, I'm gonna reply. Do something. We'll go about our business. So, uh, uh, Mike, just to, um, to, so that everyone's familiar, like, tell me a little bit about your, uh, about your church. Okay. Well, um. Okay. We give out Jesus fish at the door. I've pastored, um, there at the fort for, um, um, almost 12 years. Is it Fort Des Moines Church of Christ? Fort Des Moines Church of Christ, yep.

And just, we call it the fort. Um, but, uh, been there for, you know, uh, quite a while, I guess. And, um, man, your phone is really messed up. Yeah. I sat on it. Actually, I've attempted to get a new phone many times, but I told the woman I needed an iPhone and, uh, she said, it's not in the Lord's plan that I have one. I thought, well, I need a more direct relationship with Christ. You get this iPhone. She says, well, the Lord doesn't believe in ATT service because it's too expensive. Wow. So, um, anyways, I'm sorry. I, uh, uh, I've been there for, you know, like you said, going on 12 years. I love what I do. I love, uh, being at the church. Um, I, uh, I feel like, uh, that's totally cool. It's all right. Just to show. Just no problem. He said thanks. He wrote back thanks. Wow. How embarrassing. Um, you know, uh, what else is there to say? Well, so what, um, uh, where were you at before then?

Like, was it? Oh, you know what? When I got right out of Bible college, I went to a little country church, um, in Putnam, Illinois, Putnam Christian church. I was there for five years and, uh, um, I went from that to here, you know? So, uh, um, that was a great place, a great church, great people. I love being there. I love the experience of, you know, like country life. But, uh, after a while, um, I, I needed, was it like they needed, you needed, uh, tractor parking? Is that, is that kind of country we're talking? I'm, I'm telling you, we, we would have like our, you know, board meetings and stuff at church and during certain times of the year in the front of the church where there isn't a parking lot, it's just gravel. Um, I literally would have a line of tractors with wagons behind them to just pull up. These guys would come in, we'd do a meeting, they'd get back in, head to the grain elevator or head back out to the field. And yeah, I mean, that's, that's literally how we did it. That sounds awesome. It was, man. It was pretty cool. That's pretty cool. But, uh, you know, and like I say, being there with those people for that long was just, it was really cool. And yeah, you know, now I've been here for a long time.

I like, I like the urban setting a little bit more though. You, you, are you pretty urban down there at the church? Church of Christ? Fort Des Moines Church of Christ. Yeah. Urban. Yeah, I guess. The fort. We're in the hood, man. Do you put it in parentheses? So, um, we were at, uh, we were at, we, we were invited by Mike to, to play our, our worship band at our church, to play the real men of faith, um, conference that, that he had. And, and, and I'll, and this is something that we're talking about and actually I'll give you a heads up. It'll be within the next, I think three to four weeks. We're going to do a, we're going to do a show on manly men and we're going to, we're going to kind of take another look at what the, what the biblical man, um, looks like in our society. Um, cause I, I think we're losing it. I think, I think we're losing the manly man from our society and we're letting society, uh, define what that man should look like and how he should act. So, um, we're going to, we're going to talk about that and prepare that. So probably in the three or four weeks, uh, we're going to hit that. But, um, one of the reasons that we were thinking about that was, was, um, when we were

talking about Mike, um, we were thinking about that, that real men of faith conference that we did and, and, uh, Mike Foost, I guess, I don't know what, what you took away from that, but, um, I really got a lot out of it. Like it really, I think shifted my, my parameter a little bit to, to rethink, um, you know, I'm not just a, uh, you know, a wandering person through the, through the earth. I have, I have, there are things that God has set man to do, um, that I'm responsible for. And, and that reminded me of, of some of those responsibilities that I may not have been living up to. And they had cool videos and stuff, uh, interactive things to keep people like me paying attention. And, uh, yeah, yeah, I tell you what, uh, you know, you look at these things that they set up and they, they set up like these man conferences. And if you don't generally attend them, uh, you think, well, it's going to be lame, you know, yeah, I mean, I mean, honestly, anytime they send up a conference on anything, you know, it's like, this is all we're really going to talk about, you know, I mean, even, even like, uh, uh, you know, look, look at the Star Trek conference. Is this really all we have to do all day? You know, 10 hours. The Star Trek conference is well populated. Well, I'm not saying that. Did you go to that? Yeah. They have moped parking. You said hi to me when we walked in. Oh, I remember you.

You were wearing that pink suit. Anyway, so me and Mike were at the Star Trek conference and I'm like, is that all there is here? But, uh, um, I think that like, like I, like I'm always real weary of, of conferences like that just because I think it's going to be, I don't know. I always think it's going to be real heavy and lame, you know, but, but they, I don't know, you know, we, we went to that one and it hits, it hits some talking points of, of not just what, you know, your responsibilities are to your family, but like what your support or your responsibilities are, uh, to, to God, to Christ, you know, it's not just a, a take, take relationship, you know, I mean, uh, the Lord obviously gives freely, uh, but you know, there's, there's an end to your bargain as well. You know, you walk around, you know, accepting all kinds of stuff and, and, and, you know, not making any strides towards anything. So, uh, I, yeah, I, I really enjoyed it. Do you have any plans to do something like that again? Yep. We, we do. I was talking, uh, earlier about that and we're, we're going to do, um, one in February and, uh, it's going to be kind of a repeat, but not the same. Um, we've kind of learned a little bit, I guess, from this last one and we're hoping to have the band back. Sure. But we won't do it at the fort this time. We're going to do it at Rising Sun Church of Christ. Cool.

Um, which is in, uh, over kind of by Pleasant Hill, right? Yep. Yep. And, uh, it's kind of a little bit, you know, bigger venue. And, um, we do have a confirmation from, um, uh, Jan Michelson, um, that he's going to go or he's going to come. Sure. Um, and be one of our speakers. And then also Fred Stoker, coauthor of every battle. Yeah. Actually our youth group did that. We, we went through that with our youth group and it was, uh, it was really cool. So, you know, I mean, both of those guys kind of bring their own, I think their own, I don't know, style and message. Uh, but, uh, it will really speak. Both of them, I think, have the ability to speak right into a man's, a man's heart. And, um, and that's, that's what we want it to be. We want some takeaway from that. Not it to just be some cheesy get together with guys and rah, rah, rah, you know? Yeah. If you want to run an idea, it sounds like, uh, Mike Boost is the man to run it by. Like, if you think it's borderline cheesy, you might ask him. He seems to be able to pick it out. Give me a call. Okay.

Everybody can wear A shirts. You're our cheese factor. We can get wristbands printed up. Some, uh, some of those, uh, temporary tattoos. Yeah. That'd be awesome. I don't know. Didn't that cheesy? Yeah. I think that's cheesy. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. I'm glad you ran it by me. I don't have an A shirt. Hey, will you move, can you move Mike's, uh, that camera over just a side? Uh, apparently you're, you're more attractive than we were thinking, uh, because people are demanding to see more of your face. There you go. There you go. You look great. You tell Mike's wife that we'll get to it when we get to it. I think she is listening. Hi, Shannon. I do apologize in advance for any bad stuff. Oh, incidentally, uh, you, do you have your cell phone on you?

I know that you don't. No, I don't. No. Oh, no. Well, your wife may have some birthing type business to do after the show, so you'd be best not be hanging around talking to me. Oh, no doubt? Yeah. Okay. If you had your phone on you, you could have experienced a new first hand. I would have known that. His wife does doula, doula work, like a sis, uh, birthing. Oh, okay. And, uh. You're freaking me out, man. Yeah. And so, Ben's on call to, to keep track of his own children when she goes out and does work. Okay. And Johnny Responsible left his phone at his, as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My bad. Yeah. I, you know, you know what the problem is? Um, uh, I have one pair of pants.

I have one pair of pants. I did not need to know that. And I keep all my stuff in it, like wallet, uh, wallet, keys, phone, single pair of pants. And, uh. That's a drag. Yeah. Well, you know, it is what it is, but like. Yeah, you know. I changed my pants before I was coming, because I went on like a walk, uh, slash run with the fam before I was headed in here. And, uh, I put a pair of shorts on afterwards because it was hot. And, uh, I didn't take the rest of the items that are normally in my pants. You didn't put on the shorts beforehand anticipating it might be hot? No, I wore, no. I wore long draggers. Well, I, I think that speaks ill of you, I would say. Well, I make poor decisions. Nothing good about that. Well, what you didn't make a poor decision in was attending the Spirit Midwest Music Festival this weekend. Yeah, no doubt. So, uh, actually, I was thinking about that. Um, I don't know if anybody on the chat, um, had a chance to go out there or anybody that's listening, but we, the Spirit Midwest Music Festival was this weekend. Um, and we just, uh, we had a great relationship with those folks.

They, uh, Julie Barnes and Al Barnes, who were putting that thing together, um, you know, funneled us some bands to come in here over the last three or four weeks to kind of, uh, to help promote the festival, but also to get some music in here, because that was something that we've really been wanting to do. Um, and, uh, I don't know, Mike, what did you think of the festival? As a whole. Yeah, I thought it was pretty solid. Like, it was a, it was a, Mike, do you know anything about the festival? Yeah, our youth group went. Did they? Yeah. Did you get any feedback from it, or? Yeah, they, they enjoyed it and had a great time. I, you know, I, I, you couldn't, uh, uh, you couldn't even bat an eyelash, because it was, it was free of charge, man. Yeah. You know, it doesn't cost anything to get in, and, uh, uh, you know, we met just a ton of people that I would never otherwise have met, you know, people that are, that are on fire for the Lord, that are putting music out on, on, uh, you know, through, through the Lord's work, and, uh, you know, and the, the music was good, you know? Like, once again, uh, you know, sometimes you listen to, uh, you know, you catch wind of some Christian music in it, and you have to like it just because the Lord's name is in it, you know? Yeah, we, we talked about that, the, the, uh, prevalence of subpar Christian music,

because, oh, yay, Jesus. Right. Like, you don't really have much of a choice. Yeah. Like, you can't argue with them. They're like, God is great. And I'm like, yeah, he is. I don't know what this tune. Yeah, absolutely. But, uh, but I mean, they, I mean, they roped in talent, uh, that, that was just, uh, I mean, they're good. They're, I mean, they're just as good as, as any secular music out there. The festival is, and, and, and, you know, they're, they're, they're robbing 15, 20 bucks a ticket to get into festivals like that for, uh, for, for secular music. And, and they're putting on a free, uh, Jesus concert, uh, and, and, and it was local bands too, right? Oh yeah. Local bands. And so what a great venue to get kind of your name out there and awareness of who you are, what you're all about, you know, let people be exposed to your music. And I think that's pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah. And, and, you know, like the bands from the show, we got to see, uh, we got to see Certainty who was, who was on the show.

Um, they, they were awesome. Uh, Next Crossing was on the show. They were great. Um, we got to, we, I, I didn't get to see Saved on Sunday, um, because it conflicted with the time that we, we actually got to do a little bit of talking in between bands a couple of times, which was completely ignored. Yeah. Boy, that was a debacle. It was, Hey, we're from live from the past. I mean, there's guys like whistling, chasing each other around. Like I, the, the part, the part, here's when I knew, uh, that no one was paying attention to us is when I saw, you know, Dr. 350 and sweaty pulling up his drawers past his belly button and like looking at his wife who then subsequently got up. And I noticed, uh, 15 minutes later, came back with a hot dog. So that was, I don't know that, that lost it for me. I thought, yep. He's, there's nobody paying attention. The live from the past comedy did not go over like grapes over at this festival. Yeah. But, um, but otherwise, you know, I thought the festival was, was very cool. Um, who else? Oh, Vance Lambert was there, um, who was on the show last week. We creeped him out. I'm pretty sure we creeped him out. Yeah.

Yeah. Cause we're like, we, we know people, uh, uh, you know, that, that, that Vance, uh, Lambert and, and, uh, and so they've had some, we made some shirts, you know, uh, with his face on them and we were talking to him all the time and our worship leader had, uh, his, had a baby this weekend. And, uh, and so, uh, we had Vance come in, we asked Vance if he would come in and play a couple tunes, you know, for our worship and whatever. And so we were like, I mean, every time Vance turned around, here was somebody, somebody, Hey Vance, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I mean, he was totally creeped out. If he wasn't, uh, more, more, more accolades to him because I would have been, we were very creepy. Yeah. But, uh, he was very gracious and, um, um, for, for playing, he did an excellent job, um, at the service. He did an excellent job at the festival. I, I don't know. I was really glad to run into him. And, uh, uh, anyway, the whole festival is very cool and it sounds like they're, they're still prepping stuff for next year. Um, which is, yeah, which is really cool. We've got, I got to see, uh, uh, Tim Cooper and friends who did an acoustic show in here and we got to see them live rocking with all their instruments. And, and, uh, Tim was holding back on us. He's actually a phenomenal guitar player and was kind of sneaking around, wasn't letting

us know. Uh, but, uh, I was just, I was thoroughly impressed and wishing that I was cool enough to play in a band at the Christian music festival. You know, I, I would have liked to seen more, um, uh, oh, oh, so, uh, apparently my wife talked to him at church, the only creepy part were the shirts. He was creeped out by the shirts. That's fair enough. It's creepy. I understand. Um, so, so, you know, I, I would have liked to see some more action to that prayer tent. I was a little disappointed, um, uh, about, uh, how many folks were over at the prayer tent. And I actually, I then thought later, who's to be disappointed in the night? I didn't go. I could have gone in there and done the prayer tent. Yeah, true. Um, but, uh, but overall, I get really cool, really cool festival. And I'm, I'm excited for next year and, uh, hopefully we can, we're, we'll continue to have some more of those bands in here. Um, even, even after the festival, I know I've talked to most of those guys and they're, they're more than willing to come back in. So that'll be, uh, that'll be pretty cool. Agreed. I like it. Agreed. Um, you've been listening to, uh, live from the path on Des Moines Amplified.com.

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I read it today, DeMastis. Oh, did you? I did my homework on you, brother. I just put up a post today, actually. Yeah. Was it, was that the freshest one? I think I got to read it about noonish or so. Um, it should have. Yeah. Um, I, um, I, it was on the inspiration of the word of God. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was the one. It was, it was, it was the one where, uh, you were having a conversation with a, uh, a Roman Catholic man. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. I read that one. Yep. I read that one. Um, that is really interesting conversations actually with him. So, yeah, it was a, it was a, it was a, it was a, it was a back and forth on interpretation, uh, of the Bible being, uh, the, the inspired word of God

and whether it's, uh, it's, it's be trusted accurately, A, because God wrote it or B, because the Catholic church says it should be. Right. That's, that's some hubris right there. You know, here's the thing. That's some straight up hubris. Well, what I don't understand is, is, I mean, how could, this doesn't even seem to be a conversation, you know, like it should have lasted about 10 seconds. You know, the Lord wrote it, the Catholic church approved it. Yeah. Uh, who's, who's the, the prevailing authority here, you know? I got a good idea. You know? Yeah. Well, you know, he, he had made some claims on Twitter and what I mean, he actually, the, and that's what inspired, I just sometimes feel put stuff out there and I'm, you know, I'm sorry you said it. So I'm going to respond. And that's kind of how that was. He's a really nice guy by the way. Um, but, uh, Does he have a goatee? No. Have you seen a photo of him? Yes.

Yeah. He's not. And that sounds really weird. Like we're not exchanging photos on the internet. This is what I look like. I like to know who I'm dealing with though. I like to know who I'm dealing with. Cause the guy who seems like pretty, I mean, he might send a picture and you're like, ah, this really sets things in position for me. I can handle this differently. He's a, he's a very nice looking dude. And, uh, but, uh, Oh, so he's attractive as well. Shut up, man. No, I do not know what attractive men look like. Um, anyways, um, oddly enough, we, we kind of started talking to each other because of the issue of, uh, of marriage, but, um, uh, and, uh, he, he was kind of out there battling for true marriage and, um, um, I'm, you know, with him in that same fight and he, you know, same thing. Most good looking guys are, it's the ugly ones that are trying to get against it, you know? This stinks. I can't do it. Terrible. Oh, I know.

Very nice. Anyways, you said that, not me. Um, he, uh, you know, he just put, he put it out there. He said, you know what, the Bible, um, cannot claim of itself to be the inspired word of God. It must have an outside authority to declare that it is inspired. And, um, and I'm like, dude, the Bible does claim that it's the inspired word of God. Second Timothy three 16, you know, for second Peter one 21. And, um, and he's like, well, yeah, those verses are there, but you know, it's like, you know, how can I, how can I say of myself something, you know, without somebody else affirming that, you know? And I'm like, well, okay, let me ask you this question. What, uh, what authority is given to a parent? How do you get authority as a parent? You know, what, what parental authority is there? Don't you just have authority as a parent? Cause you're a parent, you know, nobody outside of you says now you have authority, you're a parent, you know, and it's not like that. It's just, you, it's because you're a parent, you have authority, you know, over, especially over the child. Um, and that's the same thing I think with the word of God, it's just inherent. It is from God and it declares itself to be from God. It's proven and reliable and, you know, all those things. And by the way, it's substantiated by miracles and all the stuff that happened, you know, Jesus wrote from the dead, all that kind of stuff.

Sure. Um, sure. All those big heavy hitters. Yeah. Somewhere in the middle. So we don't need like the church, the Catholic church, you know, um, uh, to, to substantiate anything. Well, you know, there were a couple of things in there in, in that line of thinking that I, um, I don't know that I would struggle with it. The first one would be, you know, those verses are in there, but like, right. I mean, is that really a way to, well, the, the verses in the Bible are here. However, uh, anytime there's a comma after those verses exist in the Bible, like you're probably run into an issue. And the second thing is to think that, uh, it's, it's, even if you agree to the tact that someone would say, um, authority is verified outside of the creation itself. Um, you, you might be able to make an argument that that's a, it's a human restriction, but I was at a God restriction, you know, well, God needs me to verify the, you know, the validity of his written word. So if you come up to me and say, Hey, I'm Ben Foost. And I say, no, you ain't, you know, like, do I have to verify that you, I mean, does it have to bounce off me and I agree that you're Ben Foost to make you Ben Foost or are you Ben Foost just cause you said so? Yeah, I am. Yeah. I'm Ben Foost cause I say so.

Maybe that's why they, that's why people have business cards. More importantly. People like I am Mike. And then I give a business card as well to verify that I am Mike. Right. That's two words. That's two items, two mediums, which are in agreement that I am Mike Foost. Right. In case you don't believe me, wham, here's a piece of paper. I would argue the point that he has been Foost because God made him that way. And ultimately the source isn't from any church or authority or anywhere else other than God himself. God gave the word, God inspired the word, and God is the sole authority on the word. You know what I mean? And his word says that it is inspired. You know, all scripture is inspired. Literally God breathed in 2 Timothy 3.16. So it comes straight from him. And that's the only source you need. You don't need any other source than that. Isn't it great that the Lord owns it completely, but allows it to be shared freely, unlike today's society? Absolutely. Take that for a modern metaphor. Wham. I'm going to stop carrying business cards. I've been foosted.

This is a verification. Ask Jesus for proof. He knew me before. I really left out because I go to ministers meetings sometimes and stuff, and they're always like, Hey, you got a card? You know, and I've never had a card. And I'm like maybe a mini minister or something. Maybe people remember you just inherently of your clothing choices. It could very well be. He was a real dandy. What was his name again? Was it Mike Orange Shirt? What was his deal anyway? I wish people would refer to me with the question, What is his deal? Yeah. See? Now that would be a cool title of a blog. Mike Foost. What is his deal? I could never write a blog. I can't barely even fill out my Facebook stuff. I don't have the patience for it. Like, if you'll notice, through all the mediums in which we post things from the show, it's the same content. Like, I write two or three paragraphs for the content to sum up the show, and that shows up everywhere. It's on the blog.

It's on the newsletter. It's on the front of the website. Like, I'm not much of a – well, actually, here's the thing is I'm not much of a waxer when it comes to writing. Like, things tend to be pretty simple. Like, I tried to think of more. We did a show a few weeks back, and the heading was about God, the fierce grace. And I was tapped out. I was tapped out at, like, a full paragraph, and that was about it. Because, I don't know, it's all said. It's all said. There's a lot of fluff. And you could argue that we can do the fluff because this is a two-hour show, and you could probably cut it down to about seven minutes. True. And that includes the introduction and the breaks. True. But from a writing perspective, when it's sitting there staring at you, I know bloated tends to irritate me. So, yeah. You know, but I'll tell you who – because we're on the topic of blogs, I really do like what Christians – The John Acuff? Yeah, the John Acuff blog. You ever catch that? Yeah, that's good. Oh, yeah. He facilitates some really interesting conversations. And actually, we're going to talk – next week, we're going to talk a little bit about the definition of the modern church,

which came off of, you know, what is and is not the church. And that came from one of his blog posts. There's the commentary off one of his blog posts. Yeah, it gets lengthy. I mean, it takes about a half hour to dig through what people have been responding to something that he said. Man, it gets kind of heated, which I enjoy. There's a couple of blogs that I kind of regularly, I guess, haunt and read. Perry Noble. I don't know if you're familiar with him or not. John Acuff is all I have. So, anyone you say besides this, I would just be going, mm-hmm. Oh, yeah, sure. Yeah. Absolutely. He's respected. Yeah. Does he have a business card? Are you sure that's his real name? I like Perry Noble a lot. I think you guys would appreciate him as well. He's not exactly the most heady, intellectual guy out there. He's a southern guy. What are you trying to say to me? He plays to your level, Mike. That's what domestic is saying.

He drives a tractor to work. Me and him or eye to eye. No, he calls it like it is. Perry Noble is really cool, and it's just simpleperrynoble.com. It's a good blog. So, I guess, you know, I saw a little bit going on, but how about, anybody on the chat, do you guys, does anybody follow a blog, either, you know, spiritual or otherwise, any blogs that you follow? Does people.com count? I've just really got, like, I've only recently gotten into, like, it bothered me. It bothered me, I think, kind of what we were talking about earlier, the thought that I need to be heard. There's a talk radio station in town, and one of the commercials is, you know, these are, you need to get your say. I'm like, oh, like the guy that does, yeah, I do need to get my say. That's the same guy that no one wants to hear from, you know, like, if they just could hear from me, this situation would be handled. Yeah, I don't want anything to do with the guy that says, I need, I need to be, it's important that everyone hear me. I like that particular frame of mind just really bothers me. That's why we invited Troy the Situation Engeldinger in. He'll be in here shortly. There's, like, a thought, I guess, out there about the whole social networking realm, Facebook, Twitter, MySpace, that it's a complete exercise in narcissism. Yeah. That it's all about me. And the more that you can see me and know me and see my posts, you know, it just, that's what it's all about. Now, I think that, frankly, there are people that utilize those technologies in that manner, that it's, you know, it's a very, you know, self-centered just thing to do. But there are other people that, you know, leverage that technology for the glory of God, you know, and they use it, and I think in a really good way. It's a tool, you know.

But there's probably, you know. You want to put a percentage on it? You do, don't you? What's that? You want to put a percentage on the people that are using it correctly versus incorrectly? Oh, my gosh, I wouldn't have any idea. Oh, I'd say 85. Would you really? 85 to 15? Who's with me? Ben? 85. What was the question? We're accusing people of narcissism Facebooking. Oh, yeah. 85 to 15? Yeah, definitely 85%, yeah. You know, here's the thing. The people that, like, I'm fairly new to this Facebook operation. I'm not good at it. I barely ever post anything. I usually hit something about the show, and that's pure for narcissistic reasons because I want people to listen to the show. But apart from that, that's not necessarily narcissism. You were trying to connect with people so they'll listen to the show. Yeah, but I put my profile picture, and they're like, wham, think of this guy.

Is that what you think, though, when you show it out there? You have to have a profile picture. Yeah, I was going to go with something. But then again, when people don't put their profile picture, I think, what are you hiding? You know, do you have acne? FBI's most wanted list. What's your deal? What is this guy about? What about the person that puts the profile picture from, like, you know, when they graduated in high school? Yeah, who are you fooling? You're 60. I know it. Yeah, what are you trolling for, like, college-age friends? They're going to find you out. Hey, that's Steve Rockwell. No kidding. He looks exactly the same. I went to school with him. He's been in school for 35 years. How does he keep his hair so shiny? He doesn't have any. Yeah, no longer. Steve the Baldy. That's what they call him. Actually, that's weird.

I didn't do any social networking stuff until we actually started doing the show. That was the only reason I signed up. Like, I stayed. I kind of trolled on the ladies' Facebook page. Like, because I know some people that I don't, like, are interesting to me. And I don't run into them. I don't know them or whatever. So I'll check that out. But, like, not until we started the show. Did I actually get on? I signed up for a Facebook account simply for the fact so I could, you know, try to invite people with the show. Right. You know, we started a blog for the show. We just started a podcast and stuff for the show. And actually, the Facebook thing, I really wish I'd have got in on a little bit earlier. Because I do. It's really cool. It is really cool. I mean, frankly, it's when you start making the connections, you know, with folks that you haven't, you know, seen for eons. You know, it's crazy. Howdy. Hey, Troy. That's Mike DeMastis. Mike, how you doing? Good.

Nice to meet you. Yeah, you bet. Hey, is this Soty? Yeah. Sweet. Troy bought soda. Thanks, Troy. I'm going to bring soda. He said, are you bringing the soda? I might have suggestively sold it. Well, in either case, I appreciate you bringing the soda. Yeah, absolutely. That's good stuff. Are you going to wear them glasses? Hop up in that mic, Troy. Okay. Yeah, no, I'm not going to wear the glasses. That's too bad. Would you like me to wear the glasses? Yeah, I think so. Because I will. Yeah. You're the situation. How do I look? Oh, shoot.

I was supposed to change that to Troy the situation. You're changing it to Troy the situation. Hey, that works for me. So, Englert, you're rolling in here kind of late. What are you up to? I just got off work, actually. Get off at 10 o'clock, and I told Mike I'd come at 10.30, so maybe a little bit late. Troy Englert, do you follow any blogs? Do I follow any blogs? Yeah. No, not really. I really haven't ever really cared to follow any blogs or anything like that. I mean, my dad did it for a while. He wrote a blog? Yeah. Well, he wrote a blog, and he did the whole Twitter thing. He did the whole Facebook, MySpace, and stuff like that. Sure. I don't know. He wrote a bunch of stuff that people followed. I was just like, okay, cool. I can talk to you in person. Yeah. Yeah. I'm with you on that.

I like to text. I'm into the texting. You're with me on talking in person, and you like texting? Yeah. Here's the thing. Ever since this text on driving thing has showed up, people are calling me to the boards about it. Are you driving? Like, I'll text them, and they'll be like, are you driving? Dang. You know? Whatever. I just want to say hello. See, the people that I text are like 18, 19 years old, so they're like, they don't care. Oh, they're totally. They don't have to put up with our laws. Try to do the whole down at your side kind of texting thing, helping a cop see you do that. Yeah. How do they know you're not dialing the phone? That's what I thought, too. I have no idea. Most people aren't just sitting there, going like this, dialing the phone. It's an impossible lotto in force. Yeah. Now, let me ask you this question.

Demand, did you ever text on that moped of yours? No. No? That'd be a challenge. You've never done it? No, never, ever. I've never texted on it, but I have. Sadly, I did get a call while I was on the moped. I started to answer it, but then I pulled off as quickly as I could. I'm like, hold on. You know, I pulled off. You're the coolest guy on the road. Dude pulled over on the side of his moped, taking a phone call. Oh, man. Just talk about adding layers of dorkiness. Oh, no. It's all good. You just got to get a whole, like, leather suit and everything. Get the nice one. Oh, you have no idea. The problem was, how do I get my Vulcaneers in this helmet? Yeah. I don't wear a helmet, man. That's great. You don't do a helmet?

No way, right? No way. Dude, helmets are for skeezes, man. I won't be burdened by this helmet. Nanny state ain't telling me what to do. That's outrageous. Fight the man. Fight the man. At 30 miles an hour. You don't tell me what to do. 30 miles an hour, only downhill. I bet that thing gets pretty solid gas mileage, though. It does. 85 miles to one gallon. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. I can't even walk that with a gallon. I sweat a gallon of gas every 40 miles. It takes a bit to film you. Yeah, that's pretty good. Yeah, that's pretty awesome. Yeah. Whatever. I think mine gets like six gallons to the mile, I think. Oh, on that beast of yours?

Yeah. Beast, you could call it. We'll keep it a beast. I think that's fair. Do you have a name for your vehicle? Do you prefer to it as a… As a joke, I did the whole… I call it babe because it's blue and it's an ox. So, it's not clever at all. I know it's not. I don't try and play like I created that name. That's not from any story I've ever heard. And that's copyrighted TM Troy. But, no. Just me and my friends messing around. I used to drive the big green van that you guys have now. Call that thing the Hulk because gigantic, green, beat up. Yeah. You don't really do anything that's on multiple layers. You're pretty much… No, I'm pretty much like what color it is. Big blue. That's awesome. It's what the name's going to be related to. It's like…

I understand. Yeah. I don't really have any creativity in that kind of thing. Just… Yeah. My color is it is. Did you name your moped? No. Speedy. I'm going to give you an opportunity to do so right now. What would you… Go ahead. Oh, man. Thanks a lot. Yeah, I have no idea. I named my GPS, man. Okay. In my car, it's Elaine. Elaine? Elaine. Is it a lady's… It's a lady's voice, right? Yeah, Elaine. My wife's name is Shannon Elaine. Ah.

Oh, I see. Oh. You're right. Otherwise, that would be awkward. No doubt. Me and Elaine are going for a ride. Yeah. Elaine, where are we going? I don't have a GPS on my moped. That would be extremely dorky. Where do you put it? Just kind of sticking out to the side, just hanging out up here. So now he's hand-held in a GPS around. No, it's installed in the helmet, actually, right here. I can't see anything. Turn left. What was that? Turn left. I can't hear anything. His Vulcan ears actually have speakers. Mike, what would you name Damascus' moped? Stanley. Stanley. Definitely. He didn't even blink, man.

It's just there. I haven't even seen the thing, and it's a Stanley. He's been dreaming about it. I'm sure. Has that been something like predestined as just Stanley? Because I can just see a Stanley. There's something wrong about me sitting on something named Stanley. I'm just sorry. You've got to tell them what to do. Well, okay. Fine. Let's say that if you were a bully, bullies sit on people, right? Right. So if Mike Damascus the bully, what's a name for a scrawny person? Herfendorfer. Dudley. Herfendorfer. Dudley Herfendorfer. Oh, man. That takes too long. That's one heck of a bumper sticker. Me and Dud are heading out, and you'll go where I tell you, Dudley. You don't boss me. You'll fire up. You'll get good mileage.

We're going to the Tasty Tacos. You're lucky I'll give you one. I'll spill a little lettuce in the seat. I guess no lettuce for you, then. Whatever, Stanley Dudley. I was telling him that I went on sabbatical this summer, and the first week that I was gone on sabbatical, we filmed my sermon. So I was actually in Wisconsin, but I preached via video. And the ending of my video, we had a whole lot of fun with it. I have a guy in my church who's got a big old fat hog, Harley, and he brought that over to the church and got leather chaps and big leather riding jacket and gloves. And I taught, preached through the whole thing, and then I'm like, you know, I'm going on a trip, guys, so be praying for me while I'm gone. And sometimes you've got to hit the open road, you know. And we kind of kicked in some heavy riding music, you know, kind of bad to the bone stuff. And I'm putting on the leather chaps and all that stuff and the jacket. And the way we position the camera in the parking lot when I walk out of the church building, you can see this big Harley that I'm, like, walking up to. But my moped's so small, it's down behind it, and you didn't even see that. And I'm getting on the, you know, it looks like I'm climbing onto the big hog. And I peel out, and it's my little moped. And you're picking up on Dudley. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. It's a classic. My church loves my little moped. There you go. That's all. That's right.

That's it. Just make it big up. Come on, Dudley. They got a new Ankeny location. Tasty Tacos and Me. Mike and Dudley are heading on the road. I'm going to pick up a diet ride on the way there. I'm staring at me. Don't you blink. Me, beep. Get out of my way, world. That's right. You know what? I totally do the whole motorcycle thing to the guys in the Harleys when I'm on my moped just because it's fun. Yeah. And they do not respond. What? And that is so rude. It is so rude. No love back to the moped, man? It's complete discrimination in the motorcycle realm. It's like utterly unfair. Are you wearing the clothes? No, but still. Maybe they don't.

I've got a Hawaiian shirt on most of the time. Yeah, I was going to say, like a polo and just khaki shorts and everything. They also made an investment to be part of this club. I mean, it's Susan's poser. You're putting down a hundy. They're putting down a grand. That's like you wearing white tennis shoes and walking by the AARP and going, I'm in, boys. That's right. Me and you are the same. One guy, when I did it to him, it's a big guy with tattoos and bald head, and he's got this big old bike with the, what do they call it? The A-pangers? Yes. And he's got his arms just hanging up there, and I did it. And he's just like leaning back and laughing, you know. That's so rude, man. Just give me the sign. That's all I want. Give me the sign. They should just make an arm that you can wear the belt while you're going so it's always doing it. Then you don't have to take your hands off the bike. Yeah, it'd be a lot safer. Yeah, definitely. Do you do the hand signals, like when you go around the corner and stuff?

No, but I totally should. Dude, that would just, oh. He could probably announce himself at the speed he's going. I'm getting ready to take a left. Take a left, Dudley. It's like surprisingly, I can hear everything that guy just said. He sure seemed nice. His voice has such high fidelity on that thing. What a gentleman. That moped looks like a Dudley. Don't you think so, hon? Don't scuff my shoes. They're brand new. Elaine, don't you think Dudley's very nice? He's very nice. I look at him. I kind of like Moby the Moped. That's a good one. Moby the Moped. Here, okay, we got Moby Scrappy. Scrappy. That's a bummer. Harley the Mopetsy now. Mopetsy. Harley the Moped.

So you could say, I ride a Harley. That's slick. That's not disingenuous. Get the name Harley just to add. I told you, it's not my hog. It's my Piggly. So maybe you could take the babe. You could call it babe. Is it, what color is it? Red. Okay. And I got, when I got my iPad, I put an Apple sticker right on the front of it. Oh, cool boy. Wow. He's 20. Dude, totally up. Right there. Totally up. I'm pounding layers of geekiness, man. They click like, ah. Just strap. I heart Star Trek. I heart Star Trek. Maybe you could get Spock taking the bite out of that. Just have like a portable chess board on the back of it right here.

That folds out. Good times follow me everywhere. I break for abacus. Joe Khan, you got one of those? I break for abacus. Oh, gosh. That's so mean. That's so hard. This is what Daniel does. This is why we invite Daniel here. That's just wrong. That's awesome. My wife, sometimes she'll be in the front yard and I'll be driving, you know, up. You'll be washing down there, doesn't it? Hey, baby, baby. You want to go for a spin? Just say, no, no. I'm bringing sexy back. You have to augment the engine noise. I make it. Vroom, vroom. Mike, it's not on yet. Oh, right, right. I don't know. Hey, get out of the way, punk.

By the way, I take your queen's rook. R-12. I don't know the chess babies. I don't either. I took a stab at it. I don't either. Queen's rook. That's what you said. That sounds about right, though. Whatever. I've seen movies. I know intelligent people. I found Bobby Fischer. You can tell by the blogs that I read. Bobby Fischer wrote a moped. Named Dudley. Man. Oh, man. No doubt about that. You ever played those chess games that are like human size? Like human size? Yeah, like you've got to actually haul a dude over every Tuesday. I got one in my backyard. That's like show prep here, isn't it? Who doesn't have one of those?

Are you saying they don't? I don't even know where I would do it at. Yeah, I've never had a chance to. You've never seen things like this? I know what they are. They opened one next to the laser tag, but it closed. Yeah, it's like this is where all the smart, sophisticated kids go to the chess board, and then other people can go to the laser tag. That's true. They make you go to the divided road and pick a situation like laser tag or full man chess. Well, I guess we're going to laser tag. I get to play the bishop. You're always the bishop. Yeah. No fair. Mike's on his scooter moving the pieces around. He like picks it up. No need to be dumb about this, boys. Manual labor's for suckers. What was it? Like when you capture, like when the rook captures something else, he speeds in and grabs it and like laughs. I've got you now. Like the noid. If this pastor thing doesn't work out, this is for you right here.

Wow. Things you can get paid to do. Chess board clearing with your moped. Opening full-time Dorcas. You've painted him into a corner. This is terrible. Can you imagine that being on your resume? Yeah. I was the Des Moines Dorcas. So it says here that you are very good at life-size chess. I'd pick him up. I'm moped with him. How would you think our office building is like a game of chess? I'm glad you asked. I'm glad you asked. Let me tell you this. I got it on my Excel spreadsheet. And this one time, I drove clean off with the queen. I'll never believe it. And Perry was like, you can't do that. But, you know, I'm a rule-bringer. Rebel without a cause. That queen still sits in my living room to this day. Past the Cheetos. I call her Elaine.

I call every woman that's not my wife Elaine, so there's no trouble. So there's no trouble whatsoever. My cell phone is really hard to navigate. Wow. Who's Elaine 17? You guys are hard, man. Oh, trust me. You know, I've gotten this literally since the day I met these two. I kid you not. I remember meeting you guys at Trash Day, and the whole entire time, they were just giving me grief, like, every minute of the whole trip. Never agree to meet us on Trash Day. No, you don't. Trust me, because these guys get, like, trailers full, and they yelled at me because I didn't grab something. Like, they were like, Engeldinger, you saw that, and you didn't grab it? I'm like, yeah, because it was in somebody's trash, and it probably didn't work. They were like, I don't care. We can fix it. I'm like, okay, sorry. Maybe I should get the memo next time. You ever go out looking at them Trash Day's domestics? No. You can find some cool stuff. Oh, man.

Where they have, like, neighborhood where everyone puts stuff. Oh, man. These guys, I'm a convert. I'm a believer. I really am. We found some cool stuff. My youth minister, Matt, he's done all that. Oh, my gosh. He's all about that. I don't know. There's just something about dumpster diving that has been appealing. It was weird for me at first. See, that's what keeps people out. That's what I enjoy about it. He's just attracted to dumpsters. Sometimes, like when the trash day shows up, I pray for rain. Because I don't want any competition. Not many people will be out there. He'll grab everything. Because I tell you what, people take the day off work, get out there at 2 in the afternoon, and they'll have me beat hands down because I'm still working. But, man, where did we find at Trash Day? What would you say the top three things that we found at the Trash Day was? That computer was a good find. Yeah, we found a gaming computer.

The video card was out. It's like an $1,800 computer. You needed $50 worth of parts. Wow. We got that. Oh, this is an old one. We got that Naked Gun 2 1⁄2 movie illuminated lamp poster. No way. Like it was. I can't. It's hard to describe. It's like four or five inches deep, and it's got light bulbs in it, and it's got the front of the naked gun. Somebody put that in the trash. I know. Can you believe it? I'm scared. Yes. Can you believe what you're saying? The TV, I found a, we used a 20, it was a 32-inch TV. We found it at a sheriff's house in Altoona. It was in like an oak wooden cabinet. We used it in our living room for three years as our main TV. Now, the only deal with it was you couldn't shut it off because you couldn't get it back on. It was great for power.

Like it would take, it would take, you know, three or four hours to come back on, so we'd have to turn, it was on all the time. They'd leave for work, just turn it on real quick so they could watch TV when they got home. Yeah, really. So when you get home from work, you go, did you warm up the TV? Yeah, I did. It should be coming on. So honestly, honestly, the best thing I ever found, because I remember my dad and my mom being so mad at me. Do you remember the sled shovel I got? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you remember that? Yeah. Because my mom and dad had one of those that my grandpa had made, and we'd used it for years, and then me being, what, like a 10, 11-year-old kid, had taken it up to one of the hills in Altoona and used it to make a ramp, but left it there in the snow, and somebody had taken it. And my dad was, oh, he was so mad at me. He was just like, you know, my father made that, and that was the best thing. He wheeled it up with his own teeth. He was like, he was sitting there in his rocking chair for six and a half days. No, and he was just, he was mad at me. Because then he told me his, my punishment was that I had to shovel the rest of the summer,

or the rest of the winter, with a little dinky plastic shovel, and I would miss the big one. And then I saw it, and I just jumped out of the car and went and grabbed it. I was like, my dad is going to love me again. It's like, yes. Sweet relief. Oh, man, I was so happy about that. Because I'd never seen one before, and I thought I'd never see one again. Yeah. And then there it was. And I'm pretty sure it almost was the same one. I don't know if it really was. I thought it would be hilarious. That would have been awesome. It's like, you stole it from me. Taking it back from your trash. Let me ask you this. Mike, did you ever, I'm trying to think of, like, did you ever do anything when you were younger that you thought you would never get back in your mom's good graces again? Oh, man. Oh. Dude. We shouldn't even go down that road. I'm with him. I really am.

Because, I mean, that was like three years ago for me. So, I mean, I'm only 19 years. I still haven't made him back. I really don't think I have. So, I'm scared to answer that one. I said, the vanilla ice haircut's for me, mom. And there's nothing you can do to stop me. This is my mohawk. I put on my BKs and I walked my lighted shoes out the door and said, eat my shorts, I'll watch what I want. And then I stormed out. Wow. I wouldn't even know how to answer that question, man. I've, you know, I've done the good, the bad, the ugly, and all that stuff. I'm not even sure. Did you ever, have you ever stolen embroidery patches? Huh? Like, broke it into, like, an old lady's embroidery shop and stolen patches from them? No. A good pastor friend of yours. I don't know if you've been. I have a feeling that that has happened to both of them because that's the only reason they would have brought that one up right there. There's a guy that we usually have on the show. He's gone this week.

I think he's at a conference or something. But we usually, he's a usual participant in the show, and he's had some run-ins with the law concerning… Embroidery patches. Stealing embroidery patches. Yeah. It's quite dirty. You know, I've heard people that have, you know, armpit yeast infections are affected to embroidery. Wow. That's awkward for all of us, but yeah, I understand. Daniel. No, I honestly, I think I have one that I think was really hard to get back into my mom's good graces because me and my brother, we're both big guys. Okay? Okay. As you can see. I don't know about my brother. He's not with me, but he's a big guy too. It's an Engeldinger thing. But when I was about 16 years old and Trey was 19, we were living in the same room together. And we had gotten in a fight and my mom and my dad had gone off to a conference. I can't remember what it was for. I think it was for like a business they were doing at that time, just a business proposition. But they had gone off for a conference for a couple days.

And me and Trey, being brothers and being teenagers, had gotten in a fight. And we were just really mad at each other. And I can't remember what the fight was about. I wish I could, but I can't right now. But I eventually, we just started pushing each other and I drove him through the wall. And I mean, literally, I mean, we were in my room and he landed in the front foyer. Right. Yeah. Fun times. So immediately I said, I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to do that. We still fought right afterwards because he wasn't sorry for anything that I had done. I don't know why, but. So we started fighting again. And then finally we kind of stopped and looked over and realized that there was a gigantic Trey-sized hole in our wall. Right. So we started thinking, oh, crap, mom and dad are going to kill us. I mean, we're going to have to learn how to drywall and fix that up. And then I had the stroke of genius and Trey had the stroke of genius at the same time with me. We thought, well, let's duct tape it up because they'll never notice that. No, it'll be a notice. Definitely. I mean, the speckle here and then lines.

They would never notice. So we duct taped it up on both sides. And then realizing that the duct tape was gray, we were just like, oh, crap, we have white walls. Right. So Trey went and grabbed the can of spray paint and he grabbed me one too. So we sat there, we spray painted the wall white and tried to like kind of poke holes in the duct tape. So it kind of looked like the illusion of 3D speckle. I mean, we spent hours on this. I kid you not. We really did. I love this plan. This was mastermind right here. This was our finest. And my mom and dad come home and, hey, sweetie, how you doing? Good to see you. How was the trip? Trying to divert them from just walk through the foyer, just keep going into the living room. And we'll sit down. We'll talk. Right. If they pass it one time, they'll never see it again. They'll never see it again. So my mom gets about four steps in.

My dad's already in the living room about to sit down and my mom looks over and it's kind of like a creepy reaction. It kind of stops in her tracks and then slowly kind of like looks over to her right and sees the wall. It automatically grabs me by the ear, grabs Trey by his hair and grabs me and Trey both into the living room. And us being pretty large guys, that's not very easy to do. But my mom is terrifying is the best way to say it. She pulled us into the room and she gave me the worst look I've ever seen in my entire life. Like the whole kind of the fact that you broke my wall and tried to fool me with your masterful plan kind of look. I'll never trust you again kind of thing. And right. Oh, I kid you not. I thought she was going to kill me. I really did. But luckily I learned how to drywall that day. Oh, well that's. And I learned how to spend my $40 paycheck from Culver's on drywall material. I had like four hours logged in and everything. And I was happy about that and then spent it all on drywall. So I honestly never thought my mom would ever forgive me for that. Oh, man. I agree.

She was mad. Maybe she was just most irritated that her sons were boneheads. That their masterful plan was a terrible plan. In my defense, me and Trey had both been fighting. We were a little riled up and we were a little mad at each other at the time. Were you yelling, duct tape? Yeah. Poke holes in it. Yeah. We didn't really do like a hands in high five duct tape kind of thing. It was more like, oh crap, grab the duct tape. We're going to have to form an alliance. Yeah. It's like the only way this is going to get done in time is if we work together. Teamwork, my friend. And just hands in one, two, three, go drywall. I like the way he talks about we were fighting as like similar to as if we were drinking. Like it has the same influence on your behavior. Okay. Well, with us. We've been fighting. No. I mean, of course, they're two different things. But we had been fighting. I mean by that as in like we were still both really mad at each other because words had

been exchanged and actions had been exchanged. And I had just thrown my 19-year-old brother through a wall. So we weren't really happy with each other at that point in time. And that's not really a bonding experience. That's more of a ripping apart your relationship kind of experience. A Bondo experience. A Bondo experience. It's the best way to put it right now. No. Out of 10? No. No. Seven. Seven? Six? Wait. Are we judging funniness or not funniness? Oh, I was judging not funniness. I was judging funniness. I was judging funniness. I gave it a five and you rolled back with a seven. That's a seven out of 10 on the not funny scale. Hey, I gave it a six out of 10 on the funny scale. I think we're solid. I think we're good.

I think the averages, the mean kind of makes it good. Yeah, I'm going to hit the button and say, that passed. I'm glad we stopped and discussed it. Easy button. Not fun. Bondo. Olsen says him and his brother broke the kitchen table while his parents were out. Oh, wow. The whole kitchen table? How do you do that? No duct tape. What? I tried to duct tape the woman's bumper on this week. Yeah? With some clear duct tape. Duct tape fixes everything. They did some transparent duct tape and I thought, oh yeah, this is for me. Can you think of a time where you've broken something and tried to fix it, to rig it up? I'm terrible. Let me tell you this. Let me be honest about myself. One of the things that I know about myself and that I really would want, like I've always wanted to work on, but don't seem to get around to, is like, I will back away from a situation that I don't want anything to do with. I'm the guy who breaks the window and runs.

He runs away. That's an awesome trait. And the whole time I'm like, just go back there. And I'm like, no. Yeah, I should. I should go back there. I'm not going to. But I'm wrong. There's no way to paint this that I didn't do it. I wonder how many hit and runs Ben has. Yeah, really. Here comes the pleas with every unsolved hit and run case. It's Ben. It's Ben. You got any proof of your ID? I got a business card. But you know, like, every doofus that gets arrested is on the land from the cops has that same thinking. So, like, my line of thinking is consistent with 95% of the criminal elements. Yeah. I did this. Oh, there's no way they're going to catch me. They're never going to find out. All I got to do is run away from it. Oh, you proved that the legal system works.

Now, do you think you could pull off, like, these two dudes that escaped from jail? Like, do you think you could pull off an escape? Like, once you got out, do you think you could get away? No. Are you a man of the land? Am I what? Are you a man of the land? Could you, if you were, let's say you were on the land from the police for crimes supporting biblical items. Let's say they outlawed free speech and you said, that's it, the Lord is brains. Yeah, because that's really far-fetched. So, anyway, in three years, you're on the land. Yeah, exactly. There's a wanted poster, wanted for reading the New Testament and wearing bright shirts. Yeah. Believed to be escaping at 15 miles an hour. But getting 85 miles to the ground. It may be a while. We can't find him. You think you could do that, Mike? You think you could survive on the land? You know, honestly, probably when I was young, I probably could have, but I'm too much of a sissy now. I like beds and comfort and all that stuff. I don't know.

Wait, what's messing with you? I don't know. Here's the thing. It's like, how many people, how many people, like, what percentage of the population has been on the land? Not very many. You know, it's got to be less than 1%. So, you figure the more people that try it, someone's got to be good at it. You just don't know because you don't try. Just an old man rivers kind of guy? Yeah. So, you know, maybe I'm going to be on the land. I could be on the land, sure. I tried. You think you could blend in with townsfolk? No. No. I can't blend in anywhere. Yeah. I'm not very social. Me and my sons yesterday watched, yesterday afternoon actually, we watched the movie The Shooter with Mark Wahlberg. Did you guys see that show? Yeah. That's a good show.

And he's on the lam in that one, you know. He's a good one. Doing surgery on himself and, you know. Yeah, roadhouse style? Yeah. Pain don't hurt. It's just. Yeah, no way. You think you have to have a weapon to be on the land? No. I can defend myself with my long fingernail. Well, I suppose if you're on the land and not with any. And my unnaturally sharp incisor. Some people evolved out of it, not this guy. Microevolution says this stays. I think I could be on the land, definitely. Oh, I think I'd be terrible at it. Did they catch both of those guys? They caught one of them. Yeah, they caught one of them lying on me. But I don't know. And the people that are still left are the other convict and his cousin slash wife? Something. Well, honestly, I mean, as of today, I had never heard of it. I just, I was sitting on break today in the break room watching TV and nothing.

I mean, I had not heard of it at all. Didn't they think they were like in Yellowstone hiding somewhere? Yeah, that's what I heard. Isn't that creepy? That's wild. I heard his mother got arrested for it. Aiding and abetting. Who did? One of the convicts' mom got arrested for aiding and abetting. Now, we talked about this. Abetting is giving them a place to stay? Yeah, I'd hope so. I mean, abetting. I mean, it is what it sounds like. You kind of put two and two together. Yeah, but you know, you always get arrested for both. Like, you just get arrested for aiding and abetting. Well. It's never just abetting or aiding. Aiding and abetting. Yeah. Yeah. Let's look up abetting. Look at what it is. Hey, Olson, what do you got for this abetting business?

Can you check on that for me? I believe it should be two separate crimes. Maybe. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, what if they came by and I did it in direct? He's like, hey, I got out of jail. I'm your son. I'm like, hey, man, what's up? Well, it's like the whole kind of thing. You can get arrested for, like, harboring a fugitive. Yeah. Yeah. Is that a different? See, the law's good at bunching things together, breaking and entering. What if you just break? Mike, let me ask you this. Yeah, see? What if I just walk up to a door and break it down? Do I get breaking and entering or do I just get breaking? I'm done. And then you walk away. What if you're polite and you don't break anything? What if you just open up the door and ask if anyone's home and they're not home? So you just walk in?

And it's like it's broken down. Like it falls off his hinge. You just happen to open it. What if you fix the door? Would you get entering and not breaking? Fixing and entering? I don't know. I think breaking is the crime regardless of whether you repair it. What if you try to patch it up? Make it right again. It's like, man, this door is squeaky. Yeah. Fix it real quick. I got fixing and entering. Go directly into jail. Do not collect $200. Picture of these people are wild. Like this guy's giving a smirk. Oh, yeah. The convict picture. He's a real smug punk. Yeah, I know. I love mug shots. They're so funny. Let me ask you this, Mike.

Let's say Damascus was on the run from the law for reading the New Testament and wearing bright shirts. Okay. Would you hide him in your place if he changed his shirt? That isn't. That's the million dollar answer right there. That's great. I'd say put on this V-neck white shirt. He said, no, I ain't doing it. I said, Damascus, you ain't coming to this place until you changed that shirt. You want me to abet you? Let you sleep? Change that shirt. This show should be titled Berating and Abetting. That's pretty funny. Berating? That is funny. That's great. Yeah, they're probably right. What do you got? What do you got here? Okay, hold on. I knew I can't. You can count on that also. I mean, he's a solid character.

Here we go. Who suggested we call it Berating and Abetting? Your wife. Ma'am. Okay, here we go. Abet. To actively second and encourage, or to assist or support in the achievement of a purpose. Well, that's not a bet. That's not what I thought it was. Yeah. You'd think of it. To encourage. How does it sound? Like, you break out the convict cot. Everyone's got one that's in your basement. Can I say, go get the convict cot, I guess. Go get the convict cot. That's true. They all did that. Well, I don't know. I second that motion. Go, Jay! Were you for him or against him when he was traveling around? Was I alive? I was not either.

I was just watching, like… Out of morbid curiosity? Yeah. Something's bound to happen. It's like when you go by the channels on TV and you stop at that one, that TBN, you know, the Christian one, where everybody's got super funky, weird hair. And you just kind of, like, you pause. You're like, so weird. Here's the thing about these shows. Like, I'm always 50-50 on these Christian networks, you know? Like, I always… Like, sometimes I'm watching TV, I'm like, there's nothing on. I'm searching. I'm like, hey, it's the block of Christian shows. There's got to be something on here I can get out of it, you know? And, like, I always feel bad because after about 20 minutes, I've got nothing but bad things to say. Oh, no doubt. You know, I've watched it and, you know, there's… Everybody's a critic. Oh, man. Like, this guy… I watched the guy today. I did it today. I watched the guy today for, like, 15 minutes.

He looked like the lead singer for Rascal Flatts. Except for he was wearing white khakis, which I thought to be kind of out of style. But he was, like, demanding people to feel the spirit of Jesus, you know? So he's, like, he's singing. He's crying. He's telling stories. And he's, like, you feel the power of Jesus, everybody. And then he's, like, pointing people out. He's, like, you don't feel it. And he was, like, walking up to him. He's, like, why don't you feel it? And then he's, like, I don't know. I put my hands up, didn't I? You know, and he's not doing it right. And he actually did this number. He goes, ah. And he waved them and walked away. Wow. And I thought, is this what we're… Is this what we're… That's evangelism right there. Is this what we're giving to people, you know? Is this… Me and Ben talked about this the other day. It's, like, you know, if people don't know Jesus, it ain't because they ain't heard of him.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. That's true. So what's turning away, you know? I mean, you think about our nation, our culture. We have more Christian radio stations than ever in all of history. More Christian bookstores. More Christian resources in terms of books and tapes and sermons and audio. More, you know, just… We have been, you know, just burgeoning at the seams with all this Christian, quote-unquote, crap. And we are not any more Christian. We're less Christian as a nation. So it's not the stuff, man. It's just stuff that people are throwing at… I mean, you know, walking to a Christian bookstore, that irritates the snot out of me. Because it's like Christians trying to rape a Christian brother, you know? Yeah, no kidding. They get the book. You know, you go into Barnes & Noble and you can buy a book for, you know, half the price of what you pay for the stupid thing in a Christian bookstore. That's exactly right. They put, you know, like an outline of Jesus on a bookmark and they want 15 bucks. Yeah. It's like, whatever. This will save your life, so it's extra. I mean, and you go up to, like, the cash registers and you look at all, like, the candies.

And it's just Jesus junk. It's just stuff. And it's just marketing ministry stuff. I like that. Jesus junk. That's all it is. Seriously. Jesus junk. It's just… It's stuff. It's crap. And it's people that are in our capitalist society. They're just trying to make a buck, man. That's all they're doing. There's no interest whatsoever in any leveling up or helping people, you know, know more about the Word of God or know more about Christ or anything. It's just, you know… It's selling religion. Well, I think about this a lot, too. It's like, there's a really thin line. And I think it requires a pretty close relationship with God if your business is the business of God. You know what I'm saying? And, like, I mean, that's… You've seen churches fall in this pitfall left and right, you know? Right. As soon as you get in the business of Jesus, you really got to watch…

You have to watch… Anytime there's money exchanged and the Lord's name is involved, you know, you really have to watch yourself. Well, yeah, absolutely. I mean, it can badmouth… I mean, it's so easy to, like, being in the business of God and being in the business of anything that has to do with Jesus and all that different stuff. I mean, if you are in any way, I mean, trying to be financially fraudulent, I mean, that really is tarnishing, not necessarily just yourself. That's tarnishing everyone that's a Christian that calls himself a Christian. That, I mean, because it gives us… I mean, I don't like to use the cliche. It gives us a bad name, but it really does. Well, you know, and what we're… I think we're probably going to talk about this next week or so or something like that. But, you know, people… I mean, it's almost cool nowadays to say, I have a relationship with Christ. I'm not part of the church. It's almost cool to try to distant yourself from the church because of the way that the church has… See, I don't want to say that. Not the way the church has behaved, but, you know, the… What should I say? The personality that the church has enveloped, what people see. Yeah. You know, people see a Christian church, or even the word Christian. Most people don't even want to associate themselves with Christian because of the connotations that come with it. Well, you know, but some of that's what people have put on the church. You know, they don't…

Well, and that's true, too. That's true, too. There's two big points to that. The first one is that the church, people want to pin the church as if it's a building or an infrastructure. The church is the people. And if you don't like the way the church is being represented, you know, if you don't like the way the church is being represented, you're part of that. You know, how are you representing God? You can't walk away from the church because those are people that are following God. There is a church in Naperville, Illinois, that did a series of… They did a sermon series, but they did some really cool YouTube videos, and they're probably five years old now, but Christian versus Christ follower playing off the same parody of Mac versus PC. Dude, they're just fantastic. They're great videos, and I just… Maybe we'll look at them during… Yeah, look at… I mean, you've got to just YouTube it, you know, Christian versus Christ follower, and you'll find them. And I'm getting on YouTube myself trying to find it, but they're really, really well done videos. But the thing is, is that's the whole crux of the emergent church movement. You know, the hippies with the goatees that like the candles, and they're all against the organized institutional religion. You know, they're against the church, you know, and it's like, you know, the new beatnik stand-up against the man, you know, in a religious way kind of thing. And here's the thing. You have to balance it out because that's not the proper response. You cannot say, Mike, you know, dude, I think you're really cool, but your wife, I just can't stand her, man. She's just awful, you know. And it's the same way that Christ feels when people say, I like, you know, Jesus, but I just don't like the church. You know, that's his bride.

That's offensive to him, you know, and that's wrong. You know, you've got to take the whole package. It's not perfect, but the cool, amazing, grace-filled truth is God still works through imperfect people and imperfect places, and even, crazy enough, through TVN. Well, and it does, and it's actually funny you said that because I had, I was reading through the Book of Acts this week, and, like, there's a distinct argument between Paul and John Mark or Mark John. I think it's John Mark is his name. Whatever. So, you know, like, they get in an argument because John had split during a previous missions trip, and Paul's like, I'm not taking him on this one. And Barnabas stands up for him. Yeah, Barnabas was like, you know, we take it. They split ways, like, they parted ways. And I thought, this is kind of funny because both of these guys are living a life for Christ. They didn't agree. They split, and Christ's missionary work got done either way. You know what I'm saying? And so, usually it's when people disagree in a church, it's a big, hairy deal. Like, our two person-on-person disagreements are shutting down the Lord's Word. We can't get anything done. And then here's the greatest, you know, considered to be one of the greatest missionaries and apostles, you know, to found the church. And another guy get in an argument, and they just go, it was so heated that they said, that's it. We're done. We split, you know. And the Lord's purpose got served anyway. Yeah. You know, and so it wasn't like, if this guy and this guy in the church disagree, that's it. We're done.

We can't do anything anymore. You know, they just split ways and went on with their business. So, two Christians, you know, realize that is two Christians can disagree. Two Christ followers can disagree. And Christ's work can be done apart, you know. And I thought that was a really good tie-in to that. A follow-up on that, same scripture, Paul speaking in Philippians chapter 1 in verse 15. He says, it's true, some preach Christ out of envy, some preach Christ out of rivalry, but others out of goodwill. The latter do so in love. But he goes on and he says in verse 18, but what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives, which I think it's crazy that he says that, or true, Christ is preached. You know, and what he's saying, what's that? What book was that in? That's Philippians chapter 1. And Paul's saying is, at the end of the day, some people are going to use the church, and they're going to do it out of false motives. They're going to try to make a buck or two, but God's still going to trump that, and he's still going to change people's hearts and lives. And that's what Paul's like, if they're gaining from it, doing it out of selfish motivation, okay, at least Christ is preached. And that's cool, you know. You know, that's why, you know, I think back to the 80s, I'm like, you know, Striper, yeah. You know, but I remember so many people that hated Striper, but I thought they were awesome. I love Striper. Daniel's waiting for the second tour to come around. They did get back together for a while. They did. I don't subscribe to the Striper blog.

I'm sure they're above with activity. Thousands of followers. But, you know, one of the other things we're talking about, though, is I think some of this popularity of saying, you know, I'm a Christ follower, but, you know, I'm not part of this organized religion. I think there are also some people who blame church, the church as an organization, for things that really, if they're going to be honest, they should be blaming God for. Like, there are stances that the church, the biblical stances that the church takes that they want to disagree with, but they don't want to make it sound as if they're disagreeing with Jesus. So they say, well, the people, these people who aren't God, I'm okay to separate myself from them and say I'm not part of that because they're not God, but I'm still going to follow Jesus. But a lot of times, you know, there are things that they attribute to organized religion, or, well, look at what these people are doing, that are actually biblical. And so, I mean, you don't have a disagreement with the church. You have a disagreement with God. And sometimes, though, they want to bail on the church as if it's not, you know, in certain instances, it's not representing things that God. Well, this is something I've said just a boatload of times, and, you know, usually, I don't know, we're on radio, I usually say buttload, but I'll not say that. I also say butt. I just said buttload myself. So I say butt. Everyone says butt. Moving on. Motion. Bondo. Here's the deal. If you have been a follower and believer in Jesus Christ for more than two years, the job for your spiritual maturity rests solely on your shoulders. It is not my job. It is not a church's job to feed you. I hate it when somebody says, you know, we're just going to leave here because I'm not getting fed here anymore. And that's like, you know, my 16-year-old son, you know, being malnourished and starving to death. You know, that's a ridiculous thought.

He would never do that. He's huge, and he eats me out of everything in our fridge. And the reason is because he knows how to feed himself, you know? And if you're a follower of Jesus more than two years, you've learned it. You know how to feed yourself now. The job is up to you. And if you ain't getting fed, it ain't because they ain't putting food out there. You ain't eating. You ain't doing what you're supposed to be doing. And people that come to church on Sunday only and expect that their whole growth in Jesus Christ can only be because they're there on Sunday. They showed up. That's not it, man. You've got to be in the Word of God every single day. You've got to be around Christians. You've got to be infusing your life with the Spirit every single day. And if you're not doing that, your malnourishment spiritually, that's you. It's your fault. Nobody else's fault. But people usually just blame it on a preacher or blame it on the church or the worship service or whatever. And that just shows their immaturity. That's all that is. I didn't realize that following Christ is in dog years. Two years, you're 14, you're supposed to be 16. No, I've never thought of it a lot. That's a really good way to put it.

That makes total sense. I mean, because when I was first becoming a Christian, I mean, that was quite a while ago. I mean, I first came to Christ, I think, when I was either 11 or 12 was when I actually kind of fully dedicated myself. I mean, I had been going to church and everything like that, but I can completely relate to that because I put it on everyone else's shoulders for me to learn. And I said, oh, I don't like the youth group because I'm not learning. Oh, I don't really like this church because I'm not really learning. And it made sense that I needed to start feeding myself. And, I mean, I completely agree with the two-year mark, too, because, I mean, I was a lot younger when I had just become a Christian, though, and I wasn't really mature and I wasn't really understanding the whole situation. And it took me until I was about, I'd say, 15 or 16 years old until I kind of started to realize, well, this is my relationship with God, not my relationship with the church who has a relationship with God. It's not like I'm a third-party person that just kind of gets the scraps. And, I mean, I'd never thought of it like the way you just put it, and that really kind of put it into perspective for me in my own life. So, I mean, I completely agree with you on that. I just, at the end of the day, you know, and we were talking about this before the show started, I just, I hate the term, you know, pastor or minister, and it just, it's such a downer. I mean, it's a drag. It's good to know. It is. It's good to know, Mike. Well, here's the thing for me. I mean, a guy in my, I've chosen this. I've chosen this path, this career I feel called by God, you know, and all those things. But, you know, this is the way it always works out for me. You're having a conversation with somebody.

I've never met him before, but we're having a really good conversation. And it always comes to this. You know, I mean, I'm liking this person. We're talking, going back and forth. And then all of a sudden, the guy, so what do you do? You know, when I say, well, I'm a pastor of a church, and he'll be like, oh, and now you have leprosy. And all that's going on in his mind. You don't think this is any way in turn of the wardrobe choices. You don't think there's any chance. Oh, he's a pastor, and he wears that shirt. No. No, it's just wild. You know, I mean, I see that. I see that happen, and even with people that I know, the people that I'm trying to build relationships with, and, you know, I'm the minister coming over to their home, and I've had experiences, no joke, where, you know, they're, hey, you want something to drink? I'm like, yeah, yeah, I'm kind of thirsty. And they go to the fridge, but then they remember they've got alcoholic beverages in the fridge. So they, like, open it and reach out, and I don't see anything inside of it. Here you go. And it's like. Hey, nothing in there. Sorry. Yeah. It's just, I hate it. I wish people, I don't, you know what I mean? I don't act like that around other people, but it's like that whole principal's office syndrome, you know?

Yeah. You know what I mean? I can see that. It is. And I hate that part of who, you know, my, I guess my role or my position or whatever does, but it's impact people. Well, you know, and that's kind of unfair, too, because, I mean, that's people's perception of what a pastor is supposed to be. You know, like, my grandfather was a, is a Southern Baptist minister in Missouri, realize. And, like, I grew up thinking that all pastors did was listen to talk radio and drive 10 miles an hour and, you know, and fix the church building every morning at 6, you know? And then we went to a church, you know, back here at home when I was, like, 10, and the pastor listened to the oldie station. I was just shocked. I thought, what? You know, this guy is obviously not as holy as my grandfather. The day of the five. Pagan. You know? And he was a cool guy. You know, he was just a pastor listening to the radio, you know? And I thought, for some reason, like, like, pastor's radios weren't allowed to go past the boring radio station. Man, I've got Boston long time on my iPod, buddy. Oh, that's great. I saw a pastor that we went to, we went to a different church, and we went to, like, something over at his house or whatever, and he had a beer. One. One time. I'm like, oh, wait, what? Beer?

Who is this guy? He is bar Jesus. Yeah, bar Jesus. See, honestly, I mean, you guys know that, I mean, I want to become a pastor, and that's what I want to do in my life. And I really hope that I don't get those kind of connotations. I mean, because, sadly enough, for me, if I'm a pastor in 20 years, and I'm listening to the oldies, that's going to be, like, the Backstreet Boys, and that's going to be, like, NSYNC and everything. And I'm going to be. And you could put on your glasses. The situation. No, and I really hope I don't. I try and, I mean, I don't try and be, like, cool and hip and all that different stuff, but I try and be outgoing for people that feel comfortable around me, so. Well, you know, Ben and I talk about this all the time, you know, because, you know, we talk about, like, the Christian talk radio in general. Man, it's depressing. You ever listen to this stuff? I mean, are you serious? Yeah. You know, it's like the Lord has a huge burden on you, and all you can do is rejoice in the fact that you're terrible. I mean, just, what kind of life is that? You know what I mean? Someone created you, sent their son to die for you. You should be beaming. You know, things are great for you. I don't know. We talk about that, especially concerning this show all the time, because, I mean, some people will listen to it and go, you know, well, it's not a Christian show. It's not Christian.

Yeah, they're talking about armpits and, you know. Like Christians don't have armpits, you know. Hey, hey, hey, can I introduce a topic? I wanted to, you just said the armpit thing, and it really got me going. Bird something? Yes. Let's dance. I told, I was talking to my sons, and I want, I guess, a platform to introduce to the world an idea that I would like to patent and just kind of put out there. Okay, now this is a Christian radio show, but someone might steal this from you. I know, but I'm willing to take that chance. And you're also taking a risk floating new ideas in this crowd. Yeah, especially. You do what you got to do. Here's the idea, because, and it's spawned from, because I understand Dan was curing his problem with Vagisil on his armpit. He was. God. Yeah. So, feminine hygiene products, you know, that really, those commercials just, they drive me crazy. Yep, yep. I'm with him. Activia. Oh, my gosh. That's the worst, you know. We're talking about women pooping regularly, and it's, anyways, so I've just got to move on. But, um.

What? Did you, did we talk about that? I'm going to, hold that thought. Did you see the commercial with the, with the, the, the spikes on the bike seat? Oh, yes, I did. I mean, that creeped me sick. Oh, what about the cartoon bears with Charmin and the little pieces? There's pieces sticking in there. I know, I'm like, come on. Oh, man. That is nasty. That creeps me out so much. I'm like, yay, bears. Oh. They look at a little kid with their teddy bear in bed, and it's like nightmares, you know. I mean, he's got a bunch on it, and he's like shaking his tick around. I know, it's so wrong. And you're like, that's your big selling point? It doesn't stick in there? That's groaning. Yeah. Well, here's, here's, here's, here's the thing spawned from all the feminine hygiene product commercials out there. I think men need men hygiene products. Okay.

We, we have issues, and, and here's the biggest issue. I think back to my days in high school and college when I was dating, and it was really important. You know, if you wore khaki pants or light colored blue jeans, and you happened to go to the restroom, and, and you didn't shake well enough. You double dribble. I'm with you. All of a sudden, there's a little awareness spot. Sure. You know what I'm saying? Evidence. That unsightly spot, you know, and I, I think that the world needs P-Naps. Oh, wow. Troy goes, oh, wow. We, we need that. Life changing. We need P-Naps, um, to save mankind. And, uh. So here, here begs the question. Like, are we forced to be on board with you because you're in this room? Like, does this have to be a joint venture because we're here? Yeah. If you guys, I mean, this is ground level stuff. If you want to get in on this. Now, hold on a minute. I, I don't know.

I think these commercials can be great, though. Like, like, like, if you're. Can it please be me? You come. Please let it be me. Yeah. You're in. So you come in and, and there's a guy, uh, at a urinal. Okay. You kind of headshot the guy at the urinal. Like, the other guy comes and he's like, hey, man. And then you hear, like, a zip. And then he, and then you hear him shake it out. And he's got this, like, this white, like, peanut fucking deal. And the guy goes, yeah. And then he, then he holds his up, his, his up too. He had one as well. He comes up. Oh, man. That'll be the slogan. You got another one? Yeah. You got a spare peanut. He goes, you got another one? Peanut.

Oh, man. You know, I just think that. Until someone finds it. That's the thing. It's like, you have to keep this, like, in your pocket or something. Yeah. You know, like, you drop your keys, you go to pick it up and your p-naps fall out. What's that? Oh, no. That's my hanky. I dribble on myself when I potty. I keep these napkins around so it doesn't get on my pants. That's our step to recovery is admittance. Dude, if women can talk about the things they talk about. Okay. I completely agree with that one right there. We can talk about p-naps, man. It's time for men to stand up in this room. I would be totally cool with wearing, like, a fanny pack and then having my p-naps inside. On a moped. Named Dudley. You and Damascus can ride around. We'll call it Cool Tuesdays. Just tell me where to go to get one and I'll get my I Love Star Trek tattoo and my portable chessboard and we'll go.

We'll go on a road trip to West Des Moines. I'm not so sure these p-naps aren't going to work out. Hey, here's – this is another marketing strategy that I thought of for a company that already exists, but it's the Drink Naked. You guys ever had those drinks? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The fruit drinks. They're really, really good. Man, they've got to come up with a cool commercial strategy. Can't you imagine just seeing a guy walking into a grocery store? Hey, where do I get naked? You guys – can you get naked in here? That's awesome. Isn't that a great marketing strategy? Where does he keep his p-naps? Actually, you can see somebody over the loud system. Do we got any naked in here? Anybody get any naked in here? Can this man get naked? I like to get naked in front of the cool, bright lights of the freezer. Yes, exactly. Or you can see the couple like the – well, never mind. Like the Cialis commercial? We like – yeah, exactly. There's two guys in a tub.

He's like, this is where we sit. Hey, Steve, I want to spend a romantic evening with you. Can you drag two clawfoot tubs down to the beach with me? Sure. He's like, you can hear him falling in here. Let me get the four-wheeler and my p-naps. Because after the impending hernia, I won't be able to sit on that spiked bike seat. Actually, that would be the funny part is this bare-butt gentleman dragging the tubs down just to set it up. Okay. There's going to be some sweet loving tonight. You know, they don't show that on the beach, the drag marks of the tubs getting there. You know, it looks like they're just there. How romantic. Out of the Lord's creation. Yeah, I hope someone littered tubs here so that we can have a romantic moment. Who looks at the vast ocean and goes, we need two smaller tubs here. Because we ain't going to fit in the ocean. We just need our own tubs. This would be so much better if we were in the water, but clean water in a tub on the beach. But in separate tubs. But in separate tubs. Hey, you know the spokesman for this P-Naps could be like a real cheesy rapper named P-Naps. Yeah. And he's like, did somebody say P-Naps? P-Naps.

I dribbled. I dribbled on myself. I dribbled on myself. D-dribbled on myself. P-Naps. P-Naps. Just backup dancers and everything. P-Naps. What happened to your khakis, dog? And you just have the guy in the back, the big guy that always goes, Naps. Oh, man. Okay, I think I'm in. I'm in. I'm so in. Well played. Good marketing plan. I'm in. I've never been so excited to pee on myself. I can't wait. I've got to try these out. Oops. I'm a little disappointed if it didn't work. I've been dying to share this idea, but it's just not a pulpit-sharing kind of idea. You know what I'm saying? This is the place, Mike.

This is the place. When I think about peeing on stuff, I think about this is the perfect place. Where's the life in the bathroom? I want to talk about urine and naked fellas. Urine and naked fellas. What the urine fly? Actually, would you feel like, let's say, how pricey are these going to be? How many can I get in a package? Is it like a 20 count? Yeah, let's get a 20 count package. Now, that'd be embarrassing. Because you're saying, I just don't need them in a pinch. You're saying, I just go willy-nilly. Yeah. I need 20. I stopped even taking care of myself. Well, you can keep the bulk package at home. You can buy a Costco, and you can get the travel size of three, just in case. Man, why don't you just switch over to Colostomy Bag? This seems like it's just a natural end. Colostomy Bag. Here's the thing. You're going to start PNAPs, and I'm just going to say, look, just get a bag. Just get a bag. There's no reason to horse around with this anymore.

Wow. Hook me up, doctor. You know, I remember listening to a guy that was talking about gambling addictions, and this was the nastiest thing I've ever heard. But this guy told the story of he knows many, many people that are so into it that if they feel like their machine is hot, their slot machine, they will literally go wear, like, the pens, undergarments so that they don't have to leave, and they'll just go on themselves because they can sit there and play their machine. Mike, will you do that next week? Will you wear a Depends here and then wet yourself? Yes, I will. I would like to do it at least once. Can we all do it? Yes. We'll do it together at the same time. I mean, I'm not saying anything bad about myself. I'm just asking for, like, research, buddy. Research. You make, like, bigger men Depends? Or do I just have to buy one of those, like, sumo diapers? So this will be awesome. Oh, we'll just every five minutes, I'll look over, did you do it yet? Wow. Good, done. Because I didn't.

Gross. Here. You're going to need more Mountain Dew, buddy. Is it going to be kind of like a, one, two, three, go? Did you go? Because I didn't. I didn't do it either. Mine's not warm. Is that wrong? My bag's already full. What a mistake. I'll never deserve it. I figured you would go, so I wouldn't have to. I did, too. Let's go sit in the tub. Who's dragging those tubs? You're doing it. Not it. You've been listening to Live from the Path on Des Moines Amplified.com. Thanks so much for, if you're still here. Thanks so much for being here tonight. We're in the studio with Mike DeMastis. He likes it when you call him pastor. Yeah. Actually, there was a talk on the chat as to people who prefer to still use the respectful names,

like Mr., Mrs., Pastor, Pastor DeMastis, that type of thing. I don't know. Me and my wife were talking as to whether we felt strongly either way about making sure our kids referred to older, like the older folks in the live with Mr. and Mrs. in front of their name or whether I really cared either way. What was the verdict? I think we decided that it was, although we would encourage it, I'm not going to be upset if they don't, like I'm not going to insist upon it. I think it's okay to have a culture of respect, frankly. I mean, you know, we're like slouching more and more and more towards Gamora in our country in every way. And I think it's okay to instill in young children and even young teens to have respect for authority and to have, you know, all those things. I think that in terms of the realm of the title, like pastor, all that kind of stuff, there's so many prima donna guys behind the pulpit. It's, you know, I really think there's some real divas out there and that's wrong too. The Bible talks about not ascribing after any kind of a title, you know, and that's just, I just think that that's, it's wrong. I don't like that. I think the title pastor is okay in a sense that if it's used in a descriptive nature of what I do, I help shepherd people. You know, I get to care for them. I like that. But in terms of, you know, on the pasta, you know, kind of thing, it's just, I don't know. And here's a guy, I'm saying this and I have a blog and I feel compelled because you guys brought it up. I feel compelled to explain the reason for the title of my blog. It's master pastors blog about prima donna, you know, all that stuff. That's not what that's all about. My kids named me that for my Xbox live sign in. So, you know, that's awesome. You know, master pastor on Xbox. Oh, I got you.

That's, that's where that's from. Um, it's, it's, it's not because I like this bloated ego thing, you know, but, um, I think I, I, here's the thing is I think, I think you draw the thin black line. I think you say, yeah, do it. And then they'll screw it up on their own. You know what I'm saying? I mean, they're good. They're not going to do it. However, you tell them to do it anyway. So you say, yes, I want it done. And then they'll lax on it and get away with it every once in a while. And then that way they'll, you know, I like that. I like it. I'm not going to say I don't, I don't like it. And I actually, I think I would, I would, um, I would prefer it, but I don't know. Cause it, because the difference though, it is like, it's not reinforced on the other end like it used to be. You know what I'm saying? Like I could say you refer to this person as Mr. And Mrs. But then they're like, Oh, call me. So, or like they will refer to themselves and they won't, they won't say Mr. And Mrs. So now, I mean, a kid can only be, you know, like that, the example will still dominate as much as you want them to do something. And if it's not being reinforced on the other end, it's very difficult for them to continue. I mean, we don't, we don't do the whole Mr. And Mrs.

Thing, you know, with our kids, but, um, I do instill for my boys, like, yes, sir, no, sir. Yes. Oh yeah. No, ma'am. They do that. And that's, I think a very good sign of respect, you know, for, I tell you what, by the time these kids are, are, are actually, you know, functioning, you know, rock and roll members of society, they'll stand out like a sore thumb, you know, like we saw, you know, I mean, people that say, you know, yes, sir, yes, ma'am, that, that, that, that actually do a hard little handshake when they sit, they, they fold their hands, you know, and they don't slouch on the chair. I mean, it seems so stupid, you know, and I, man, I sound like my old man talking, but you know, I mean, it really does matter. Like it really does. I mean, you know, for doing just about anything, you know, you see someone that, that'll look you dead in the eye and shake your hand, you know, and, uh, man, you just, you don't meet people like that very often anymore, you know? And, and that, that, for some reason that instills a lot of confidence in me with the guy that I'm talking to. Absolutely. Well, you know, it was actually, that kind of takes me back to one of the things I was, I was thinking about when you were talking, um, about how people react when you, when you tell someone that you're a pastor, um, it's take the, expand that, right? Like if you're, if you're the man, you're the pastor, the, the, the, the Lord's representative as they, as they think about it, like, doesn't that translate to that's how they think of

God to the hand slapper, the, you know, the, how many, how many cooler light do you have in your fridge? And that, that's the sad part, right? That's the sad part is like, think of, um, think of the relationship that they must have with, with God. If, you know, someone, if an earthly, another earthly being can be in their house and they start hiding stuff like that, that is not non-biblical, you know, like there's nothing in there that says you can't have cool light in fridge, you know? So, you know, think of, think of what they're missing out on for something so stupid, something so goofy, you know, I, I run from God because he's going to know that I have a beer. Right. Did I, did I mention I have a blog? I am. I wanted to bring up. Master, all capital. Master, master, master, master. Master, master. Master, master. I, I, uh, I did actually do a blog post a while back. Um, it's, in fact, it's, it's quite a little ways back, but, um, I talked about that, how we refer to God gives an indication of how well we know him. And it's the same, the same thing is true in an individual's life. I mean, people that call me, um, you know, um, you know, maybe I'll, I'll be on a phone and I'm on hold and they'll come back and like, Mr. Uh, the maskers, you know, and they have no idea who I am and I don't know who they are.

There's no relationship established at all. They just don't know me. That's, that's evident in the way that they're trying to say my name. Um, then somebody might come back and they might pronounce it well, but that doesn't mean that they still know me. Um, somebody might say, you know, pastor Mike to me. That means they know a little bit about me. They know what I do. They still maybe don't know me very well. Somebody might call me Mike. And that means that they know me a little bit better. I have a relationship rapport, you know, um, some people, um, there's, there's a couple of names, um, that, uh, could be thrown out there that only a few people on this planet know. And, um, that means we've got a really close bond and we're, we've got some stories that we don't want out in the public. I'm going to advise you not to even tell me off the air because I will share it. Yeah. I will talk to Elaine. She'll spill the beans. Um, but you know, and, and here's, here's the thing that I said, there's, there's, uh, two people on this planet, um, that have the right to call me daddy and they know me better than anybody, you know? And I think that the way that we refer to God, when you hear people talking to, you know, about God like that, you know, the big guy upstairs and you know, whatever, you know,

the big cheese, you know, the guy that, you know, whatever that just refers that to me, that's a revelation of how well you really know him because when you know the Lord and you know him closely and intimately, um, man, you, you don't refer to him like that, right? In such a casual, you know, cavalier way. Um, I don't know. I just think it's, it echoes, I guess, a little bit about what you were saying. Yeah. You know, so I, you know, there was, um, uh, Mike, do you remember we, we, we used to go to a church and there was a, um, the pastor there used to, he would, he would say Abba father and then he would, he would say daddy God. And I couldn't, I couldn't, I almost laughed every time. I agree. I couldn't help it. Because Abba father was a very, you know, it's a very heavy, biblical way of saying, you know, but, but the translation appropriately, but he would go daddy God. And like, I, I couldn't hold it together for the thing because it just, the, the combination of the two words was, was odd for me, but like, I got the point out of it. Like there was a benefit to that. And I actually think that that benefit of having it sound funny was for me to think about it a little bit more than maybe I would have let it pass. True. Um, but the earnestness of this guy, you know, cause he, he was, uh, I, there wasn't a guy who was more, I mean, he was just out there with everything he's got his hand. I mean, um, he oozed the earnestness of following Christ. I, yeah.

Yeah. Um, and so, but there was nothing cool about the man. No, no, no, he was totally, I mean, just, I mean, the cool part was his earnestness and he was, he was very cool, man. But that daddy God thing got, you know, it, it was, it was a funny, but you know, B put it in the, I think the appropriate perspective for me to think about it. You have those, ever have those experiences when you're in a really solemn like event and you can't help it, but you're about to just totally, totally explode laughing. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Stop it. It's uncontrollable. I ruin stuff, I ruin things, just kind of stand there. It's like a really nice moment. I'm just like, actually, you know, that's, that's, um, that's a youth group. As awkward as like being real loud and boisterous and finding out that you're in the middle of a prayer and didn't know it, you were talking and like carrying on some kind of conversation and you look over and you realize there's like eight to 10 people around you that were like having a prayer that you probably were supposed to be involved in. And you're just like, dude, I told him to turn it down. He don't listen. Whoa. Hey, sorry. Oops. And then trying to pray, that's cool.

And then head down like you were a part of it the whole time. Dude, I don't know who's being loud, but not this guy. I was praying. What about, do you guys hate the whole having to hold hands when you're praying? That weirds me out. I so hate that. Is that because you're a germ guy though? Are you sweaty palms? Oh man, I'm terrible with that. It's like the whole squeezing thing when you're supposed to be done. Yeah. The final squeeze, we're breaking. Yeah. One, two, three, break. I hate that. It's so wrong. Now see, I say that, but I really enjoyed it when I took my wife to church when we were like 16. It was our first date. We went and ate at the truck stop. We had breakfast. She was your wife when you were 16? Yeah. Well, pretty much. She was going to be, I guess.

But, so that was our first date is we went to church and I was all geeked up because they held hands when they prayed. And I'm like, whoop, all right. It's like, hey, give me one of them Pentecostal churches. So you can obviously tell how cool I was in high school. Can we hold hands to church? I remember one time and it was our chapel services in Bible college were real, you know, solemn and they kind of just, you know, be quiet. Listen, you know, you're going to like it and shut up and stuff. The Lord will be here shortly. And we had this one guy that preached in our chapel services all the time and I don't want to say his name and don't even have to, you know, say where I went to school, but Wayne Shaw at Lincoln Christian College in the seminary. He cried every time he preached. Every time he preached, he would start to cry. And we would like, like all of the students, we'd like to be timing it and try to take bets on when, how far into the sermon is he going to start before he starts crying and stuff. I remember one sermon where he's preaching and this is like, you know, one of those really serious moments. And he's talking about how it was Andrew that found Peter and John and brought them to Christ, you know, and he's like, you know, we, we all, and he's really hot and heavy into the sermon and tears. We all have to be like Andrew and bring our Peters to Christ. And the entire chapel, like all of us, you know, we're like about to die, about to die in

the middle of this sermon laughing. We just could not stop that. It was bad. It was wrong. And it probably sounded so perfect in the guy's mind. Just like, oh, they're going to love this one. They're going to bring this home. Remember this forever. They did. But what are you going to do, man? You hear something like that, you laugh. That's not, I mean, that's funny. That is funny. I got to ask, what was his reaction when everybody just started laughing? He was just mad, silence, you know, how irreverent and kind of, you know, whatever. But yeah, see, there's the type of propensity that I just don't think you need. I would have found fun in that situation. I kind of would have stopped myself. Like, did I really just say that? Oh, man. I know where you went with that. Let's back it up. I didn't say, hey, stop that, reverse it. Yeah. Oh, there's a guy and he was, he's an Assemblies of God minister in Kewanee, Illinois.

And this made news. It traveled beyond Kewanee. I mean, everybody heard about this church service in his sermon. Nothing escapes Kewanee. It was huge. I mean, that's the hall capital of the world. Sure it is. That's where I got my wife from. Whoa. Whoa. Backing it up. Good-looking women from there. Reverse it. Same. He was preaching. And what he meant to say, and he was normal, kind of Pentecostal, sweaty, really yelling, screaming, crancing on the stage. He was yelling. And what he meant to say was, I have hope in my soul, and it's burning. And he said, I have soap in my hole, and it's burning. Man. And he was never able to recoup from that. No, that's the end of it. How do you come back from that? That hurts it for at least two days.

I hear him. Oh, man. We're pretty nuts. I'm in trouble. Imagine that guy, Mulligan. Does that count here? Does it cross the line? Is this the right place to say that one? That's in 1 John 2, Mulligan. Oh, gosh. Oh, man. That's great. The sermon, Mulligan. The sermon, Mulligan. They should give you one on your way to Bible college. You get one, you're going to need this. You get one, and you're done. My Bible college professor did talk about slip-ups, and the guy that taught us about preaching. And he said, listen, I know a lot of you guys don't cuss. Some of you maybe had a background where you did at one time. You've kind of overcome that maybe. And maybe every once in a while it slips. He says, it does every once in a while. It does happen. He says, but here's the thing you need to do.

If something just slips out the wrong way, the words kind of mesh together, and you know you said it, they know you said it, he says, you just need to keep on trucking. He says, because what will happen in that audience, psychologically, they're going, no, he didn't just say that. Right. He did not just say that. And they'll sit there and wonder if you really said that. Well, you know, advice might be no longer timely. I mean, most of these sermons are recorded. You can easily go back and pull that out. Oh, he sure did say that. It's kind of like an NFL replay. It's kind of like, wait a minute. And that friend is going to make the vlog. I can just imagine somebody in a ref's outfit just go under with the little hood. That's where you're thankful for audacity and editing tools on the internet. Yeah, exactly. Just a complete and total gown. Just kind of walk up. Just kind of put under the hood and just look at it. It's like come out and say, yes, they did say it. The church hits the replay. Yeah. Got the box. It's going to be great.

The flag comes up in the middle of the sermon. I knew it. Whoa, whoa. Did he just talk about that? No. How unfortunate. And on a record time with the communion pass, too. We were set to get out of here. Everything was looking awesome. Now we've got to talk about this. Oh, great. And then there's a flood of prayer requests into the box. Yeah, that's right. Please pray for Pastor Big Mac. Yeah. And there's a special elders meeting called right after service today. Yeah. With a bunch of chortles. We're not going to act like that here. You know, Luke 15, you know, that's where you get the story of the lost sheep, the story of the lost coin, the story of the lost sons. It starts out, those three stories happen because in verses one and two, Jesus is, you know, being accused of meeting with the sinners and tax collectors. And the word that they use is the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, muttered. I love that word.

Muttered. Muttered. We don't use that word. How dare you? Jesus is a rebel. I've got to go get some books. I'll show you something. Yeah. Did you see the size of my hat? I'm wearing a large hat. Oh, those are great, man. Oh, it's been a long time since I've seen those videos. I must be at a loss because I don't know what that's going to say. Are you talking about vintage Jesus videos? Yeah. Those videos have been universally panned on the show. We show those. Those are such great. Because no one's paying attention, I'll give this away. But I use them when we take a break because they're like eight minutes long. I can show them all in eight minutes. We get a good eight-minute break between the first and second hours. And so I showed them for like three weeks in a row. Where the heck is our break? Yeah, you've got nine minutes and the show is over.

No break. We were going to take one. What's up with that? We started rolling with that, you know, the PNAP deal. That's true. The PNAPs did kind of roll into it. That was a snowball effect right there. You've done this for yourself, really. That's what he's saying. Oh, man. But anyway, universally, people are bailing off the show and running away. They hate it. They're making bad remarks about it on the chat. That's not funny. Blah, blah, blah. Oh, man. I'm like, you know, here's what I'll say. Like, the first time I saw those, I didn't have that strong of a reaction. I was like, oh, man, I don't know. I don't know. It's making me uncomfortable. And then I watched them again. And I get this. I get this. Oh, the first time I saw it, I loved it.

I thought it was the best thing in the world. I thought, what a great way. Yeah, I've seen them. No, I've never seen them. They're pretty soft. They're funny. They're great. They're fantastic. Yeah. And there's a message with it. There really is a message with it. That's the thing. People got to think, you know. I mean, people get so offended so easily in this sissy culture. Well, that's the thing. YouTube ministry. They're acting like they're getting offended on the Lord's behalf. You know, like Jesus needs you to be his moral compass. Yeah. You know, can you watch out and see what they're doing with me? Can you see that? Make sure they've not overdubbed on a movie that was made, you know. Right. Like Jesus himself made the movie back in the 30s. And then now you're like changing it.

And now he's very upset, you know. You have to go see it. Jesus' voice in that is so good. What was the situation that they made these videos? It was for a youth thing, right? Vintage Church. No, that was like a sermon series they did, Vintage Church, way back in the day. I mean, those are really old videos now. I mean, probably, guys, they've got to be eight years old or more. But, like, the point was, like, which Jesus are you? Right. That's the whole point. I mean, the Hollywood image of Jesus is the fake Jesus. That's not who Jesus really is. That's not him. You know, it's just a fake thing. And they just, all they did was take a movie that's already been made, and they just made it a little bit more exaggerated, a little bit more goofy. Right. But the whole thing's goofy, you know. And that's the point. That's goofy. That's not who he really is. Right. And so, like, there's nothing to be offended about.

It's like, oh, well, they're misrepresenting Jesus. Well, if it's not Jesus, what are you offended for? You know, there's nothing to be offended about. Right. That's true. It's just a dude in a row. Yeah. You know, because here's, if you want to be real technical about it, there's no way to misrepresent Jesus, because if you do not represent him correctly, it's not him. There's, you know. That's a good way to put it. What's to be offended about? You know, like, well, they made Jesus sound like a dummy. Well, he's not a dummy, so it couldn't have been him. Right. What do you want to do? What, did he show you his business card? I mean, obviously, it ain't him. He's independently verified by his business card. So what exactly do you do? Oh, save your mankind? Yeah, that's right. I'm coming for you. Be here.

Did you see the white horse? Yeah. I'm here from the dead, all that. Trumpets have sounded. I got to stop by the Roman Catholic Church so they can verify my authenticity. As soon as I get my Jesus name tag. I mean, do I have authority or not here, fellas? It's like, hello, my name is Jesus. Don't look at the day, Caggles. It's the last thing you'll ever see. That'd be rough. Who's that guy? Don't look at him. Nope. Is that a painting of me? That's not what I look like. Man, like, I haven't shaved in days. I mean, honestly. How did I get so white? I lived in an Arab country. I mean, in the middle of a desert, for heaven's sakes. I'm the whitest guy alive. You see these real pasty jeans things. Honestly, I mean, he had a darker skin tone. He was hot.

He was Mediterranean. Look how white I am. It's weird how people bend it. Because, like, you'll see somebody that looks like Italian. Like, he's got some distinctive facial features as if that was, I mean, for one, it doesn't matter. But for two, it's weird what people do with stuff like that. Like, what are you doing? It seems to be that way in a lot of, like, especially in the Catholic dogma, like old religious paintings and stuff. Like, everyone's always doing something real weird. You know, it's like people don't just sit around anymore. They're always, like, doing some kind of weird hand gesture or something. This is my presentation. This has always got the whole blessing thing. Yeah, like, he can't walk anywhere without doing this. And it's like his life energy is always glowing behind him. Yeah. Like, he has no choice. He wakes up in the morning. He's like, is it daytime? No, it's just me. Yeah. I'm just a glue. I don't remember seeing that. Like, Matthew chapter 4. And Jesus was a glue.

That's right. He was a glue. And he had his two fingers extended. There was a nuclear power plant. Blessing people. Because he had a physical. Jesus was by Chernobyl? Yes. He's Russian. I knew it. It was Gazzanoble. That explains the pale skin. A lot of snow. And he has the two fingers out. Because he has physical limitations. He can't bless you unless he's got the two fingers out. It only works when I do the gesture, too. Kind of like the whole Spider-Man thing. It's like, it only works like this. Man. You know, and, you know, I get it to a certain extent. Like, sometimes the concept of an earthly Jesus is tough to grasp. You try to make it more relevant to you. So he looks more like a man. You know, the robes are always real classy.

I'm pretty sure he didn't have classy robes on. I mean, again, Desert Walker. Okay. Not pasty white. Completely white robe. No, like, eight layers. Untarnished at all. He's got multiple layers of robes on. Probably not. He's probably wearing the thinnest thing available. You know, saying, you know, so anyway, like, I get, I kind of get that. But, I mean, it's weird how much people will hold on to stuff like that. Right. Like, you know, are you, are you worshiping a relationship with a loving, living God? Or, you know, do you look at the Jesus painting before you eat? Do you know what, though? People, that's, I mean, we're superstitious even in our own way. I mean, we're, and I say superstitious because that's what that is. It's a superstition to hold on to an iconic image. We, you know, I know people that think if I sat down on the communion table in my, you know, church building, that that would be completely sacrilegious. I know people that think that if I put, like, a coffee cup on top of my Bible, you know, that's, that's despicable, you know, that's so sacrilegious, you know, and, and this, we have our own little tweaks. I mean, we might not be going to visit, you know, the, the, you know, the image of, you

know, Mary on the turtle shell or something, you know. But, uh, we, we do have our own little, I don't know, quirks about it. I suppose that's true, too. I think I keep better tabs in my Bible than I do most of my books, if that's fair. Well, I mean, I mean, the question, too, is, is nothing sacred? Well, yeah, there's, there's your relationship with God. I mean, beyond that. I mean, the thing is just recognize, recognize the things for what they are. Because the danger is, the danger is that you put your effort into protecting, you know, the cover on your Bible. Like, what are you focusing? Are you focusing on the technicalities of what you think looking like a Christian, you know, is, you know, or are you focusing on your relationship with God? And I think, I think that's the thing. If you're, you spend your time making sure that, you know, every room in the church has a crucifix in it, or that if you're going to, we talked about this for a lot. We were, when we first started the show, uh, uh, life from the path, well, there's a T in path. That's got to be a cross. You got to have a cross in there. We love Jesus. You know, you know, Oh, that's not a Christian show. Look, there's no cross with that. It's a built in T. How do you know what they're about?

That was the plan. You know, like we dropped it. Cause we're like, what, what is that? We're just throwing it in there because you think you should. What a goofy reason to do that. And so, you know, I don't know if it would have looked at it. You know, frankly, I think that that's, that's the work of the enemy. I think that, you know, the evil one is always trying to get our eyes off the true thing, the true reality, you know? Okay. Yeah. I know that God's important, you know, but, but yeah, treat his Bible really respectfully. Right. You know what I mean? Right. That's, that's the enemy. Just, it's such a subtle, gradual little distraction or diversion, but those things compound over time. And before you know it, we don't even know anything. Well, you know, that could be a symptom of, of, you know, you know, having, having a pristine church or, you know, put a bunch of money in your facility, which is not inherently a bad thing, you know, but I mean, you know, just watching, you know, right back to what we talked about earlier, you know, just watching where, where, you know, your money goes, you know, like, like, is it cool to have a, a light cannon projector? Oh yeah. You know, do you got to have one right now?

You know, is it, you got to have one for this church? Does the Lord need a light cannon? I don't know. Maybe, maybe not now. Maybe we can rent one. I might need a light cannon. I'm hot. Look at all these robes I have on. You've been listening to Live from the Path on Des Moines, Amplified.com. Thank you so much for being on tonight. We really appreciate it. We will be back next week at, starting at 10 p.m. for our live broadcast. If you'd like to get a hold of us during the week, you can visit us on livefromthepath.org. This week's show will be posted on the front page. Archive shows are available on the Archive Show tab. You can also see performances from a lot of the bands that have been in here. Those guys just did an excellent job, and you can check those out. They're also on our YouTube channel. There will be a blog. I'll have the blog posting out. That's what generates the podcast. Do you have a blog? I do have a blog. It's called Live from the Path with a cross on the T. Or sign up for the podcast if you can't make it on Monday nights.

I totally understand. Good. Okay, good. I'm glad you're happy. So next week, I think, we'll be talking a little bit more about the church. We're going to talk a little bit. We're behind the times on the news item, but we're going to talk a little bit about… I don't remember her name. No. Whatever. The author that said she walked away from the church. Oh. Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, anyway. And Rice. Yeah. Rice, Rice, Rice. Is that right? Yeah. Vampire. Vampire lady. Anyway, there's a lot of interesting things, like aspects of that, beyond kind of the things that she said. So we're going to talk about that a little bit next week. So I think we'll have another band in here.

I'm not sure who it is yet, but I think that's what we'll have for next week. We'll use the neck shaker. Yeah. We'll make sure we thank Troy, the Situation Dinglinger. Yeah. And Mike Damascus. What's the location of the church again? Fort Des Moines Church of Christ, godsfort.org on the web. South Side of Des Moines. South Side of Des Moines. And join our blog, Master Pastor Blaster. Master Pastor Blaster, moped disaster. Mike Damascus. Thank you for listening. Have a wonderful week. Bye. Thank you. Thank you.