From the Pathway Studios in Johnston proper, you are live from the past. I do live from the past. My name is Vince Bruce. Thanks for being here tonight. You still get to enjoy the double dance this week. Dance it twice again. Oh, I believe it. I believe it. Also, with us this week, Gabe Van Orsten. Hello. Hello. Yeah, this thing works. I like it. You had it pointed the wrong way. That's how you broke it. I'm upset about it myself. Well, anyway, welcome to Life from the Path.

My name is Ben Foost. I'm glad to have you with us tonight. Hello. Hey, so we're not, so we're sans special guest tonight. I mean, like no musical guest. So if you remember the parameters I set last week. His mic's not on. All right, go ahead. No. Still. I hear me real good. He's going to be rocking it just a second. Just turn me up. Not only do you not want me to sing the tunes I prepared, you want me to go ahead and just leave, if that's what you're saying. You've got to do whatever you've got to do. Anyway.

So yeah, so we'll be on for an hour tonight. We'll be on from 10 to 11. And then next week, hopefully, if we can catch him, we'll be on for the full 10 to midnight next week. We'll have an interview with Jess and Jared Anderson. That'd be really cool. Yeah. Looking forward to that. Yep. Jordan. How many times am I going to do that? What did you say? Jordan. I said Jared again. You said Jared? I did it again. I'm like the worst guy ever.

This is true. That's why they're not coming. Probably not. I wouldn't if I were them. These people don't even know my name. Oh, man. Anyway. Yeah, yeah. Okay. I got it. Jordan Anderson. Thank you. All right. So anyway. Hey, so I'm going to give you. I got like two minutes worth of small talk. And then we're going to get right into it.

Which means, Chad, if you're not ready, you need to real quick jot down your apostles. We're casting the 12 apostles tonight. This is serious stuff. Yeah, yeah. We have letters ready to go. Yeah. Dan's got a list. I got a list. I got pants's list. We got this Iowa film tax credit thing going. So we got cash. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is going to happen. This is going to happen. So we're going to cast the 12 apostles. You got two minutes to try to put your thing together. Yeah, yeah.

Good luck. I got pictures and everything. I do too. Which they won't help you. Do you have reasons? Dan, do you have justifiable reasons? Or do you just randomly pick dudes and attach names to them? I have. There is some thought behind mine. Okay. I did not just go movie star. Okay, maybe for the end I did. Like, what do you do with Bartholomew? Maybe I had. Actually, I might have a reason for him. There's a couple guys who were only part of the list who I cast specifically for a certain reason. So anyway, we're also going to be talking about Pat Robertson's causing himself some trouble.

Talking about divorce this week. We're going to go back and see whether he's got something that seems biblically consistent. And maybe what would you do in a similar situation? I think he's getting old. I don't think his mind's not working anymore. He's got Alzheimer's. I mean, he might. You can love Christ and have your mind go wacky on you when you're old. That's true. That's true. God will still love you. He might just want you to kind of be quiet. Yeah, yeah. But it's time to shut up. When you can't function anymore, it's time to be quiet. By the way, I took away your profit status. Go ahead and do something different.

Yeah, there's a lot of work to do in the kingdom. You just can't do that anymore. That's right. Why don't you run the camera now rather than stand in front of his head? Just get behind Winnie-Tonnie. Make sure it's blinking. That's right. That's right. Polish off the mirror. The glass. Oh, man. All right. So that's what's coming up. Hey, in case you're in town, I think in Pleasant Hill on Wednesday, Double J, who was on the show about a month back, he's got a show at the Breen Assembly of God. I think it's a youth rally or something, so if you're pushing 60, if you're Pat Robertson, you may not want to attend unless you're going to be the creepy guy in the back of the room.

Making sure the camera's going? Yeah, yeah. But I would say anything under 55 is probably safe. That's this coming Wednesday? Yeah, this Wednesday at the Breen Assembly in Pleasant Hill. Is it like a youth group event? Yeah, I think it's a youth rally, like a kick off the youth. Kick off this fall youth group. Is he the only one playing? You know, I don't know about that. I'm not sure. Maybe it's a whole slew of them. Maybe so. They got a bunch of those boys. It'll be a slew of folks. I mean, they're not going to try to sign me up for their youth group if I show up? I don't think so.

I can just go in and say, yeah, I'm just here for the double J. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They'll write this way, sir. They'll say, we'll bring you right in. Can I bring popcorn? Sure. I don't think you can bring your own, actually. That's probably not right. M&M's. M&M's and popcorn. I haven't had that for a while. That's awesome. It is. Anyway. All right. So, yeah. Here we go.

Let's get rolling on this thing. So, the name of the game is We're Casting Apostles. We're going to put, so we decided last week that, although there may be a few movies that adequately represent the Bible, there's not a ton, and we need to tell the story correctly. And they're generally these no-name, I mean, these guys who are, like, coming out of acting school. Yeah. Maybe haven't gone into it yet. They're like, oh, yeah, I can do that. I did a skit at church once. And they get in these movies, and it looks like it. And that works, Brett, because you put out a Bible film, you got a lot of Christians that are going to go to it just because it's a Bible film. Oh, it's a moneymaker already. Yeah. So, everybody's to assume that these people that you're going to name off didn't do too good of a job.

Well, no. We're going to make a good movie. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, we're cast it for a good movie. Okay. We've replaced all these people that didn't do it justice. Chad, do you have your list ready? All right. I did not cast Jesus. Should I have done that? No, no, I didn't cast Jesus either. It just did the disciples. Yeah. All right. So, here we go. The first one, let's go with Peter.

Who do you got for Peter, Dan? Let's see. Peter. Oh, he's number one on my list. I'm like, where's Peter? Peter. Okay, Peter, you think of fisherman, right? Okay. Okay. He tends to act first and then think later, like, oh, I just jumped in the water, and wait, now I'm sinking. He ran into the tomb before thinking, hey, maybe there's something dangerous. And, you know, so he's a man of action, then maybe it wasn't always the best choice. Yep. So, some of these are actors, and some of these are the characters that some of the actors have represented in the past. So, I have, as Peter, Johnny Depp, as the Pirates of the Caribbean dude, whatever his name is.

Of that ilk. Yeah. So, you know, right here. It's a… That's it. That's Peter. That's Peter right there. That's Peter right there. We'll take the pirate hat off, and we'll put on a turban. He's pretty greasy. He's greasy. Yeah. He's kind of like, okay, let's go. Come on. Come on. Here. Jump in the water.

I'll do it. Jesus. He based his character off of a guitar player for Rolling Stones. Yeah. Name leaves me. Keith Richards. Keith Richards. Yeah. Keith Richards. So, you would cast… But you wouldn't cast Keith Richards as Peter. Well, if he can't be Peter. If he finds Jesus. Yeah. Yeah. Peter didn't follow Jesus until he found Jesus. Keith Richards.

He's a mover and shaker. He could be a Peter. I think he's too… I think Keith Richards is too frail to be Peter. Well, he is now, but, you know, in the day. I don't know. I don't know. Okay. So, I don't… And Peter is older. Well, that's true. Jack… Billy Crudup. So, Billy Crudup was in Big Fish. Oh. Like the son? He was the son in Big Fish.

Yeah. That was kind of a good movie. I like Big Fish. I haven't seen it for a while. It was good. I have seen it. Really? It was good. I just went like, okay, I'll have popcorn. And it was like, that was a good movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think he's solid. You know… But that's who you have as Peter? No, the chat has Peter. Gaddafi from the Path as Billy Crudup as Peter. Thanks.

I don't know. What do you think, Dad? Billy Crudup as Peter? I could see it. I have no reason not to. If they're actors, they can take on any character they want. That means that any good actor would fit anybody who listed there. That's way different than Richard's Johnny Depp for Peter. I have put more thought into casting here. That was good. All right, here we go. So here's my Peter. What are you saying? Yeah. Real gentle, real soft-spoken. Yeah, yeah. I think damn one been zero right now.

No, okay. I may have cast the wrong Peter. That's my fault. The hairstyle gave it. I feel like Peter's got a fro. Well, maybe this is the Peter of the church age, and I had Peter of the disciple time. You're definitely more comfortable with that image than you are with the Johnny Depp. Okay. Okay, so I'll tell you what. I got early Peter. You got later Peter. Okay, I'll take that. I don't know. Chat, anybody else? Anybody else for Peter? Billy? I don't know.

I like Bob Ross as the post-ascension Peter. Very good. Very good. Oh, are you laughing at Bob Ross? I thought you were laughing at somebody out there. Okay. I laugh at myself all the time. All right, very good. Let's do Andrew. Oh, sorry. The pants had Mark Ruffalo. Mark Ruffalo was in the Reese Witherspoon romantic comedy where she dies just like heaven. He was also in the Meg Ryan vehicle, The Boxer. No? No. Or The Cut. Maybe it was In The Cut.

That's what it was called. Anyway, pants is in for Mark Ruffalo. I would say that the talk time on the person you chose would strongly resemble how famous they are. So tell Pants, you know, he needs to get a little more… Who? Yeah. Who? Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Matt Flamhaf in 13 Going on 30. That's the reference Pants game. I've not seen 13 Going on 30. I saw that. That was like, yeah. All right. I don't know who the guys were in that.

All right. Who do you got next, Dan? For Andrew? Yeah, Andrew. Andrew, okay. Wait a minute. Did you Wikipedia the list of the disciples? I Googled it because I didn't want to take the time to actually look into a Bible and remember. I knew I'd forget somebody's name. Just to check. Do you have Simon Peter, Andrew, James, Son of Zemite, John, Philip Bartholomew in that order? I certainly do. Okay. Nobody Wikipedia the apostles. Because that's the same order I have in the same order of Pants.

Awesome. Now, Andrew is the brother of Peter. And if you remember, Jesus introduced himself to Andrew first. He's kind of a lovable guy. And then later on, Andrew went to Peter and said, hey, we have found the Messiah. Come and see that whole dialogue that went on. So I wanted to find a lovable guy who seems to be pretty thoughtful. And he's kind of out of the story. You don't really read much about him in the whole entire Bible other than he introduced Peter, who was the wild brother. He's kind of a messenger? I guess kind of so. At least a lovable guy. I have Gopher from the love boat because he's also working with fish and water. So here is Andrew. Okay. Okay.

I like that. That's Andrew. Very good. I like that. Okay. I don't know. I could buy that, Andrew. He's got kind of a nice face. He's not too abrasive. But he doesn't stick out all that much. He just kind of hangs back. Okay. All right. I think I can go along with that. All right. So hold on a second. I forgot to chat.

Does anybody have any Whitey Herzog? Whitey Herzog was the coach for the Cardinals in like 1987. Is he a lovable guy? No. He's not a lovable guy. No. Well, then that's, yeah. I'm saying no. I'm saying no, Whitey Herzog. I'm not accepting. That's no good. All right. All right. Here we go. Here we go. This is me. I'm going with Milhouse from the Simpsons as Andrew.

And so here's my thought. I was kind of along the same thing. We're like, if Peter's kind of the out and about guy, he's probably got a younger brother who is a little bit, you know, who kind of follows him around, does whatever he drags him into. But he's also kind of a pretty sharp guy. He's the guy that first recognized Jesus as the Messiah and, you know, would tell Nathaniel and stuff. Kind of got the thing rolling. So he's pretty sharp on his own accord, but he gets overshadowed by the other guy. So I chose Milhouse, friend to Bart Simpson, as my Andrew. I can see. I honestly am not a Simpsons guy. I probably have seen it once or twice. I've seen the clips for years. Wait. I see where Ben's coming from, though.

That's a character that keeps it all together. Yeah. Yeah. You know. Yeah. Yeah. What? What do you mean? Who did you choose, Bean? Who do you have for your Andrew? Mm-hmm. That's up there. As I suspected. Nothing. Whitey Herzog is a bad guess. He's a fat white man. Who has a bad temperament.

He's no gopher. No, he sure isn't. All right. Dan, who you got next? Rolling. For James. Oh, sorry. Oh, sorry. I forgot. Pants is Mars Callahan, who was Johnny in Pool Hall Junkies. Have you seen Pool Hall Junkies? I've never even heard of him. I have not. Pants. Pants. I've seen Pool Hall Junkies. That's a good movie.

Is it? It's been a long time. I couldn't tell you. Just because I picked a cartoon to stop making you correct with Whitey Herzog. All right. Next. All right. James and John are sons of thunder. If you recall, there was a situation where Jesus was teaching. People kind of rejected the teaching, and they're all hyped up. James and John are like, hey, let's call down lightning on this community, and let's burn the whole place up. So there's a good side, but then they're a little bit action-oriented as well. So for James, I have Arnold Schwarzenegger in The Terminator. Okay. Okay. So he's, you know, isn't he kind of a good, I've seen the movie, but I can't remember

if he's a good guy or a bad guy, but you know, he's kind of, it seemed like he was a good guy. He was helping the, anyway. Yeah. Yeah. You get what I'm saying. He breaks necks and cashes checks. Yeah. He's like, let's call fire down on these people. Well, she said to say, yeah, calm down, put your gun down there, you know, Arnold, it's going to be okay. So, okay. So he'll play James. Okay. Did you have a John? Yeah. You want to do John?

What's the counterpart? What's the counterpart of John? A John is the same thing. Going with the calling fire down, you have Nicolas Cage as Ghost Rider, a little bit of both fire and, you know. So these guys just mean business, the both of them. They don't really, like, balance each other out at all. I don't know about that. Is it over to John the Beloved? Well, later on. I'm doing pre-John. You might be doing post-John, but that's like Peter doing a paintbrush. Come on, church. They didn't have flannel graph yet, so they're doing paintbrushes and you're… I don't know. I might take James. I don't know.

I imagine John much softer than that. Yeah, but they weren't called Sons of Thunder for being soft. It wasn't because they were… Oh, look at little Johnny playing with little muffins. It wasn't because they were head beaters. It's because they had an incident which referred to them as, like, trying to wipe… They were hot-headed. Ah, I don't… Before they met Jesus, they were hot-heads. They were causing fights. They were letting the burned cities down. I'm going with the following Jesus, John. A little bit softer. Maybe a little more feminine. Who is it? Hold on. Let me get…

We should be doing two movies. I'll do the early years. And you do the mature… Hold on. I'm gonna… Let me get… This is getting out of control, boys. Oh, no. Uh-oh. We got a real problem here. Uh-oh. Hold on a second. I lost it. I lost the guy. Hold on. Talk amongst yourselves. So there I was.

Yeah. They were coming at me. 90 miles an hour. Okay. Here we go. It was an awful day. All right. So here we go. Here is… Yes, Ben. There he is. There's my John right there. John the Beloved. Elijah Wood from the Lord of the Rings. Kind of creepy. How tall is that guy? He's got, like, 5'8".

Oh, so he's not as short as he seems. Yeah. Okay. In Lord of the Rings, obviously. That's John the Beloved right there. Kid brother of Jesus. Is your John three foot or is he five foot? No, he's 5'8". He's 5'8". Yeah. So a 5'8". Uh… You're talking 90-year-old John who wrote Revelation. No, no, no. I'm talking 30-year-old John who was in Matthew. No, no, no, no. Burn it down!

I'm talking John that was in Matthew. He's the guy that's, like, sitting next to Jesus at the Last Supper. Well, yeah, by then… He sent a cross with Mary. That was three years of transformation going on. I tell you… Living with the living word. Word of God. All right. I'm going to… All right. Well, hold on. I better… I got to get you my James. In the chat, does the chat have James and John? No, they're… So…

Telly Savalas and Yule Printer. That's like a… That's like a couple of guys that wanted to be tag team wrestlers. That's… Telly Savalas. Didn't he pass away, like, a few years ago? Oh, yeah. Like, a long time ago, I think. I don't think it's available. Yeah. All right. Here's the other Sons of Thunder right there. There he is. James Van Der Beek. He's James, son of Zebedee. Nice. There it is.

James. John. James. Yeah. There they are. All right. They look like brothers. Let's see. Hold on. Let's see what Pants had. Pants has for James. Steven Campbell Moore, who's James Steven in Amazing Grace. Pants. I'm sorry, Pants. God bless you. These have got to be the worst. Wow, Pants.

These are the worst. John Lone Gruffid. William Wilberforce in Amazing Grace. All right, Dan. Who do you got for Phillip? Phillip. Okay. Now, I have to admit, Phillip. What do we know about Phillip? He's just this guy. He kind of shows up here and there, and I thought we need a main name that's going to draw people to the film. Whether he has a major role, it doesn't really matter. This is the guy that's going to fill the seats. Exactly. Exactly. He's going to pay a lot of money for.

He's not much in the story. That's okay. You know what? Sometimes the biggest names don't have the big… So, you're kind of… And, you know, he'll just be walking around. He doesn't have to say much. He'll just be walking around like, yeah, I'm Phillip. All right, all right. I wouldn't agree with your strategy, because I don't think that always works. If you have a big name, usually they have to have a big role. Brad Pitt. Yep. No, you've got to give him… You've got to give Brad Pitt… No, I would say Brad Pitt would be more than Ghost Rider. Yeah.

Sly Stallone? Wait, here's the deal. You put Brad Pitt in there, but he's only in there for a few seconds. Well, no, he's always… He's one of the 12. They're already overestimating how big of a crowd he's going to draw. They're going to say, you underutilized Brad Pitt. Well, in Ocean's Eleven, is he on every scene talking to him all the time? No, he just shows up here and there. But he's got some action, though. Well, sure. We'll write in some action for Brad. Phillip only makes… He'll adopt some kids or something. We're going to embellish the word of God. Look at the Jewish kids. I'll have three of those and two of the Samaritans.

I mean… I don't know. I don't know about Brad Pitt. I think… But I say you need to draft him anyways. We just need to have him. We just need him somewhere. We just need him somewhere. I asked Brad to put him. You could execute him. Okay, it's weak. All right. Well, okay, all right. So, I don't know. Maybe mine's not any better. I should have gave Brad Peter. What do you think of Sylvester Saloon?

The chat says Sylvester Saloon. I'll go with that. Yeah, you can work in there. That's a way to lay on. Hey, seriously, did you say Greg Kinnear? Because I chose Greg Kinnear. There he is. He does kind of look like a Phillip, doesn't he? Here's why I chose… Here's what you need. If Greg Kinnear wasn't famous, he could be the everyman. He just doesn't stick out. He's an all right guy. That seems like he does good work, but he wouldn't jump out at you. And I thought, if Phillip was something more, he would have made more in the story. He's not in there because, I mean, he's just going about his business, but he's not doing anything great.

I don't think you guys are going to be able to afford this cast. God owns all the cattle on a thousand hills. He can do whatever he wants. We've got a couple people casted that don't have big roles, but we're going to have to pay him big checks. Steven Seagal? I don't know about Steven Seagal. For Phillip? What? Now, he is quiet. I'll give him that. Steven Seagal is quiet. We need somebody that can act. I don't know. Maybe he doesn't need to act, though. You know what? I might get on board with Steven Seagal.

Okay. All right. I hate to look. Phillip Pants is Casey Affleck. So, Ben Affleck's brother. Yeah, I don't know. I'll go with that. Okay. All right, Pants. All right. That's selling him. All right. There's great kiddies hanging out underneath our pictures. All right. Go ahead, Dan. Who do you got for Bartholomew? Bartholomew.

Okay. Bartholomew is this guy who you all recognize the name. He's like, oh, Bartholomew. But you really don't. Like, you can't really place him. Okay. So, I wanted to go with an actor that you might not recognize the name, but you'll recognize the face because he's in, like, all kinds of movies and these little character roles and stuff. And that's Steven Toblowski. And it's this guy here. Oh, yeah. He's all over the place. That guy is all over the place. Ned? Yeah. Ned Ryerson?

But could you have said his name? His real name? So, he's a perfect Bartholomew. All right. All right, Dan. I'll go with that. That's classic. All right, Dan. Here, I'll give you pants as Bartholomew while I work on it, while I get mine ready to go. John Mighton. What? People. Seriously. He's Tom, who is Professor Lambeau in Good Will Hunting. I never saw that. So, there you go. You never saw that?

I never did. It's like a classic. Yeah. It's one of those I just never made time for? Oh, my. Oh, my. You got to watch that. All right. All right. So, here we go. Here's my Bartholomew. And there he goes. Paul Reiser. Paul Reiser's my relief. And I put him in the same boat as Greg Kinnear. He's kind of the everyman. He doesn't get a lot of action.

What is he doing these days? Is he working? He just had a failed pilot on NBC. He was on for one show when they canceled it. I really like him. The Paul Reiser show. In his acting. I don't know about anything about him personally, but I mean, I've always liked his shows. Yeah. Yeah. It's one of those things like, it's about ready to be over, and I'll finally like, hey, this is really good. Then it goes off the air. It's good. Yep. Yep. I enjoyed Mad About You.

Yeah. Yeah. It was good. I'm not ashamed to admit it. Yeah. I watched a little of that Mad About You. All right. Here we go. Who are you at? Matthew. Matthew. Okay. Now, Matthew. I think you'd bring out the big guns for Matthew. Wait. How about Monk? How about Monk?

Okay. Matthew. Matthew was a tax collector. Yep. Tax collectors were wild people. They had women. They had drugs. They had money. They had everything. Uh-huh. So, what better actor than Charlie Sheen? Terrible. Terrible. Not a good choice? Terrible. You don't like that choice? He's a tax collector.

He's reformed, though. This is pre-Jesus, and then he meets Jesus, and then he, you know, the whole idea of a Matthew party is they bring him in all Jesus hung up with all the wild people. That's what they're not mad at. Youngs out with sinners. No, I think, I would think that Matthew would be a character that had, yes, he has all these things, but he has them because he has class. Nah, he has them because he's a thief. He's a tax collector thief. In the first century tax collectors, they were wild men. So, they were just, they were party animals. Thieving. What is it? No honor between thieves. Everybody hated them. La, la, la, la. It wasn't the IRS with their briefcase that were still thieves, but at least looked good.

These were party animals. Do you think that the king, from whatever, you know, at the time, would have people a little more respectable? I probably didn't. In charge of such a… Because, see, they were traitors. Because it's like, Romans came in and said, you're going to, I want you, you're a Jew. I want you to collect taxes from fellow Jews. So, all the Jews hate him. The Romans, everybody hated him. They were society's outcasts, but they had tons of cash. All they needed was a certain amount of money back to Rome, and they could charge any tax they wanted on top of it. Oh, wow. And so, they'd say, hey, you crossed the road, that's two bucks. Yeah. Yeah.

So, now Charlie Sheen makes a lot more sense. Yeah. I mean, it's, I'm just going from, yeah, I've done the character study, see, of the tax collector. You know, and the chat's got some good angles here. I don't know about Tony Danza. I think that Tony Danza's bad. He's too nice. Gene Simmons is a good one. From Kiss. The lead singer. I think Gene Simmons is a good one. Yeah. Better than Charlie Sheen. Tony Danza's not a Roman citizen. And if he was, he wouldn't be a Jewish tax collector. Philip Seymour Hoffman. Now, that guy can play anybody.

That's, I'll tell you this. Who's that? Philip Seymour Hoffman was in Almost Famous as the, he was a famous Rolling Stone writer. He was also in, he was the lead character in Truman Capote. Capote? In Cold Blood? Capote? Come on. Hit me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Keep going. He was in, he played in a movie with Ben Stiller where he was, he was, oh, it's where the guy gets, he's real nervous, gets sick all the time and he rubs up against his sweaty belly. That's what I remember about that movie. Terrible, Ben. Terrible.

I didn't choose him. I don't know. I could go either way. All right. So, here we go. Here's my, so when I thought Matthew, I thought, so I'm with you on those things, but I think he's not, he's not good looking. I think he, the only reason he gets to party up is because he's got the money. Look at that guy. You chose the worst. Well, of course. I didn't do the makeup with all the, no. All right. So, here's my guy right there. Oh, that's a terrible Matthew. David, terrible. David Pamer is, he's got the money and that's what allows him to live the lifestyle.

So, he's, there's nothing redeeming about how he looks. Yeah. He's buying his way into that society. See, my first choice was the dude who has the real, you know, even tone voice and does all the money stuff. I think he was in government, wasn't he? Like, yeah. And then, I don't know, he does like the eye commercials with Vizine or something. Oh, Ben Stein. Yeah, yeah. That was my first choice. I thought, no, he needs to be a wild man. I thought you'd go with somebody younger because, you know. Well, I mean, you can't be too punkish or they beat, I mean, those, they can fight back. It's a young man's job, it seems, you know. I think you've got to be big and burly and dumb. Maybe the guy that, oh, what's that guy?

Because these are the guys that are burning the candle at both ends. Oh, they are. You can only do that for so long. That's true. All right, that's true. All right, so here we go, his pants is Matthew Casper, Oscar Isaac, who is Prince John in Robin Hood. This most recent movie? I don't know. Did you believe I haven't seen the newest Robin Hood? I don't know. These are killing me, these. All right, go ahead, Dan. Who's your Thomas? Thomas. Now, Thomas, what's he known for? Doubting.

Doubting. Doubting Thomas. Doubting Thomas, yep. And it wasn't that he had a lack of faith as much as he had a lot of questions. He wanted the details. He was like, well, really, you know, how do I just accept, you know, without asking some questions? So I went with Monk, because he asked a lot of questions, he has a lot of details. Where is he? There he is. And, you know, Adrian Monk would be a great Thomas. He's inquisitive? Inquisitive, yeah. I like that. I like that. But the question would be, is Adrian Monk a twin? Because Thomas was a twin.

Well, in the movies, you can make him anything you want. Oh. We're going to tell lies, are we? Drew Barrymore. Drew Barrymore. No. Nicholas Cage. Maybe. I could say it like a non-gruff Nicholas Cage. Well, he's already busy playing Peter. I mean, who's he playing? James, John. Oh, that's right. You chose him. Now, that was the worst John pick ever. That's the problem. I'm not going.

Okay, so. He's half burning skull. Here we go. All right, here we go. This is, there he is. Maurice Gibb. He's Thomas. I started a joke. All right, so he's a twin. I got him. He's a twin. He's earnest. He's just got some questions. Look at him. Look at those eyes. Remember what? What?

Jesus, could you show me your hand? Yeah. Remember, it's in John where Jesus goes, you know, I'm building a, where I'm going. I'm going to build a house, you know, and rooms for you. He's like, well, tell us how to get there, Jesus. He's like, can I have a jacuzzi, please? That's him right there. I nailed it. I feel pretty confident. Ben, you did nail that one. And he's got a beard and everything. I feel pretty good. You nailed it. It's Maurice Gibb from the Bee Gees. That's who it is. Stay alive. Yeah.

All right. Pants puts up Rick Schrader as Thomas. Ricky Schrader. There he is. Pants has got to get on there. I can't defend his list anymore. Oh, they go up from here. All right. There we go. Next. So if you've just joined us, which is unlikely, we are walking through the casting the 12 apostles. We're going to put a movie together. We're going to cast the 12 apostles. We're rocking through. We are down to James, son of Alphaeus. This is not one of the sons of thunder, James, son of Zebedee, between him and John, who abandoned their poor father in the shipping boat to go follow Jesus. We're following Jesus.

We're out. Zebedee is hauling the nets in on his own. This is James, son of the lesser known Alphaeus. Go ahead, Dan. Now, I had to find someone because we just don't know that much about this James guy. Yep. And so it has to be someone who can really take on a role and really make it their own and really do something with it. And so I wanted to find someone who has some nice awards and all that kind of stuff. So I went with Tom Hanks, and here he is with one of his little awards there. And Tom can do it. He can make a soccer ball, you know, or, you know, he can do anything he wants with that. So he's James. The everyman. I love it. Exactly. Tom Hanks, the everyman, is James, son of Alphaeus. He does something with nothing.

Exactly. I love it. The chat is in a debate as to whether Bob Saget is or is not a goon. I don't know about Bob Saget. I think he doesn't lend a lot of credence to the rule. Gabe, anybody for James, son of Alphaeus? Barely mentioned. In fact, the biggest thing he's got going on is trying not to be confused with James, son of Zebedee. Yeah. I got nothing. Nothing. Fair enough. I got nothing. Okay. Okay. All right. I'm drawing a blank.

There's a lot of names going on here. I don't know. What do you think of Bob Saget? Good? No good. He's had a cameo here and there, I think, in some movies. Which is perfect for James. Trying to be funny here and there. But other than that, I don't think it's, I don't know. I've already. All right. Here I am. Ready? Here he goes. Here's my James. Fred Savage. Fred Savage.

Fred Savage. Again, he doesn't, I think he can handle the role. Yes. But he's not going to overshadow. I mean, there's some bigger players than him. Yeah. Fred Savage can come in, get the job done. Good supporting actor. Exactly. Looks good. And then he heads out. That's how I feel about it. I think Tom's ego might not let him come in and just be that support role guy. So I think we'll have to go after Fred Savage. Yeah. There you go. Bill Withers.

No. Bill Withers. No. No. He's more of the grandfatherly type. I guess it didn't explain it, but if you're still referencing the guy's dad, Bill Withers has got to be 70. James, son of Alphaeus, like, do you still refer to him as son of Alphaeus after Alphaeus has passed? Yeah, because that way you know which James it is. Because even back then, there were a bunch of Jims running around, and they don't have last name. They don't have, it wasn't Jim Hudson or Jim, you know. Oh, it was Jim Center. I'm not going to see Bill Withers. I don't know about that. He's certainly not Arab. All right. Here we go. Next.

Thaddeus. Thaddeus. Now, Thaddeus, I couldn't, from my memory banks, I could have probably researched, but from my memory banks, I couldn't remember anything about Thaddeus. And so I had nothing to go by, so we just needed another cute face. Need a fill-in. Another fill-in. Another one who would also draw in ticket sales, though. And so I went with Ashton Kutcher. That screams Thaddeus. Look at that. He says, my, I am Thaddeus. It's just in his eyes. All right. Okay. I could take him as a Thaddeus. Jude. Jude Thaddeus, I think he's the same guy.

So that's him. Ashton Kutcher. All right. I think that's a safe pick, Dan. Hopefully he brings his trailer. He's on Two and a Half Men or something like that. I remember reading something. Oh, yeah. The trailer he has on the set is just ridiculous or something. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So hopefully he brings his trailer. You know, shoot. I forgot to give out Pants. Pants' James, son of Alpheus, was Peter Halpin. Has anybody seen the movie Amazing Grace? He makes a lot of references to it.

I saw it, man. I think he just looked up, like, a couple movies on the Internet movie database and then picked out actors from, like, four different movies. Actually, An Amazing Grace is a great movie. It's very long. And, I mean, it's a drama. I mean, there's not a lot of action. And there's a couple times I was, like, thought I was going to drift. But it's a solid movie. Yeah. And Matt Redman has music in it. We've sung some of that. Yeah. All right. All right. All right. Anybody else?

Thaddeus? I'm still not watching it. Yeah. You didn't sell me. You didn't sell me, Dan. It's a hard sell. Not at all. Yeah. Because when you're done with it, you're like, oh, I'm glad I did that. It's long. I wouldn't watch it, like, again. All right. Here we go. Here's Pants Thaddeus. It's Michael Rosenbaum, who was Danny in Pool Hall Junkies. Pool Hall Junkies again. That's what I'm saying.

He's only seen two movies. Yeah. He's seen Amazing Grace, Pool Hall Junkies, and Robin Hood. Robin Hood. Last two weeks. Pants. Oh, Pants. You got Netflix, don't you? Okay. Here we go. Here's mine. Ready? So, there was my James. Here is everybody's favorite Jude slash Thaddeus, John Goodman. Very good pick. Very good pick. He's going to bring in the tickets.

People like to see Goodman working. But they don't expect a major role on him. He's a nice guy. It was like, oh, St. Jude. People think I've been benevolent. Are people… I think there's going to be a shock factor there when he doesn't have any lines with swearing in him. Is he swearing? Well, I haven't seen him in any movies. Well, yeah. TV was great. You're thinking Big Lebowski would just work. Well, yeah. That's… Yeah. Yeah.

John Goodman's still alive. He's had a heart scare here and there, but he's living… King Ralph? Yeah. King Ralph was an excellent movie. Yeah. All right. So anyway, that's my Thaddeus. I'm pretty happy with my Thaddeus pick. All right. Here we go. We got two more. We got Simon… Oh, and then a bonus. We got Simon the Zealot or Z-Lotus. So maybe not the Zealot. Judas Iscariot.

And then we're doing an extra casting of John the Baptist. Oh, I did Matthias because they replaced Judas. I'll take… Okay. All right. I'll take a Matthias. So let's give me Simon Z-Lotus. Okay. Oh, he's a Zealot. But so his whole thing is he is trying to raise up war. I mean, he doesn't want a peaceful solution to Rome. He wants war. And there was a whole faction of Jewish people at the time who wanted to kick Rome out by force. And so Mel Gibson, who loves Jewish people, I understand, but only… It's him playing Braveheart. Okay.

All right. That is Simon the Zealot. Peter Falk. Seriously. Columbo? He should be Thomas. Yeah. He could be Thomas. I don't know. I like that, Dan. I think that's a good casting. We have to give him some more lines. He doesn't actually talk all that much. I like to hear Braveheart Man scream. Well, Hollywood, you know, has to set up a little side stories and he'll be over there trying to cause up things. Come on, boys.

We're going to get him to… Jesus is on the cross. Come on. Let's do it. You know. Strom Thurman. Seriously. What is going on in that chat? Okay. All right. Well, so I went… Here's what I did. I went the other way with it. I said he's a rabble rouser, but he's not the front line guy. He's the guy that gets everybody else worked up and then sends them off. Okay. Okay.

In which case, he is Mr. Belvedere. He's got a little snippy mustache. Is he still alive? I don't know. That I don't know. So he works people up and then he gets them to send out and then he goes, yeah. And then he… What was that from? From the show Mr. Belvedere. That was the name of the show? Yeah. Yeah. That was the show. You didn't watch Mr. Belvedere? I did, but I can't remember. I don't remember a single thing about that show. I just remember watching it a lot.

I don't remember anything. I don't remember plot nothing. We're at a good time. Yeah. At the end of… Oh, man. Was that like a spinoff of the Jeffersons or was that… Am I mixing two… Was that the one where they were in an apartment complex in Bentley? No, they were in a house or something. He was a butler. Yeah. He reminded me a lot of… I know I watched it. I mean, it happened a long time ago. Yeah. I remember it being on, but I don't remember really anything about it.

Probably kids involved. I mean, I remember Family Affair more than that. That was like beyond before my time, really. But this is the person that's going to rile him up? Ben. I don't see it. Yeah, he's bringing people together. I don't know about your belt here. He's like a godfather, except he does it in a sweater. Better than good times, yeah. All right. Okay. All right. Fine. Fine. You can't win them all? Nope.

I rocked that yesterday. But John Goodman was good. All right. Here we go. Here's a biggie. Here's a biggie. Who's your Judas Iscariot? Judas. Okay. What do you think of when you think of Judas? Creepy. Thief. Creepy. He's a thief. He's a traitor. He goes off to commit suicide. He sells Jesus for 30 coins.

His bowels spill out in the desert after he dies. What better creepy person than P.P. Herman? Oh. I don't know. Well. He's had some rules since. He's done pretty good. He's creepy. He is creepy, though. You do have that. And you just don't know what he's doing behind the scenes. And when you do find out, he gets fired. Maybe put in jail. All right. I don't know. It's a bold move. I'll put it that way, Dan.

It's a bold move. That's true. And you can't cheer for him. The whole time. When you're watching the movie, the whole time, you know, but at the end, Judas is not good. So it's hard to cheer for Pee Wee. Yeah. But he'd pull it off. If you had a role for him, and if you wrote the lines right, he'd weigh him down the way you wanted him. It would probably grind you. Like, as Jesus is washing his feet, and you know he's going to betray him, and you're like, don't wash Pee Wee's feet. Don't touch him. Thanks, Jesus. It's the word of the day. You're scaring me now, man.

Big time. All right. Pants is throwing out Rufus Sewell, who was Count Adamar in A Knight's Tale. Have you seen A Knight's Tale? Are you watching A Knight's Tale, too? Yeah, but I don't remember that. Who's Michael Duncan? Jim Neighbors. Jim Neighbors? No. Oh, holy night. Jim Neighbors would never betray Jesus. Oh, Michael Clark Duncan from the Green Mile. Okay. Which one was he? You know, he's too nice, though. The Green Mile's a bad comparison, because he was a real good guy.

He was the, I mean, he's giant. Oh, that guy. Okay, but what about him in, like, the whole nine yards? He's just a guy trying to get by. Yeah. I still believe he's a hard-working man. Big brute. Yeah, okay. Yeah, I might trade him out for James. I'd do that. All right. I had to get rid of Nicolas Cage. Okay. Oh, shoot. Yeah, we dumped him a long time ago. That might have been the worst one, Dan. Poor Nicolas.

I felt like you were really just phoning it in. Nobody liked that movie, either. It had bad reviews. All right, so here, when I think creepy, and I think, but he's a thief, so he's looking good. He's got himself decked out. I think… This guy's a smooth operator? Yep, yep. I think… Smooth operator. Burger King. Oh. Looking for some cash. I think that's the king right there. I can't say no to a whopper, so… Yep.

I can't throw that out on you. I cannot throw that out on you. He could totally pull it off. He's always smiling. You know he's underhanded. What's going on behind that smile? Yep, yep. Anyway, maybe Pee-wee could be a stunt double. I'll say he's going to hang out with Pee-wee. You know, Steve Buscemi can do just about anything. I would take Steve Buscemi as a Judas. I could do that. All right. All right, very good. All right. So here's the extra. You know, honey-eating.

Locust-licking, no-bathing, camel-hair-wearing, John the Baptist, just offhand. Dan, who do you got? Well, I did not do John the Baptist, but I would say Nicolas Cage, just the way you described it. I might take Nicolas Cage from Con Air. Yeah. Where he's got the long hair. You can take Nicolas Cage from whatever movie Nicolas Cage has ever been in. So we're either hiring him or we're not. I just lost his name. Goldie Hawn's… Oh, Kurt Russell? Kurt Russell. He gets a little scraggly. Yeah, like an L.A. movie that I saw. Yeah, that'd be… Seth Rogen? Okay.

So they just kind of got bushy hair these guys were talking about, but I don't think they capture the aesthetic of a John the Baptist. I mean, think of a guy that says camel hair, sure, I'll wear that. Hulk Hogan. John the Baptist. Anyway, any other guesses on the chat? Pence didn't put a John the Baptist. He didn't cast him. All right, hold on. Let me prepare my John the Baptist. This isn't the guy I wanted. There's another guy that I'm thinking of that I just can't… That I can't put together. I couldn't find the guy. The Iron Sheik? Oh, from wrestling. The wrestling Iron Sheik?

I don't follow him. I don't know. You know, I might take the Iron Sheik. The only guy I know from wrestling is Hulk Hogan. Old news. All right, so here, I'm going to get off my Judas. Here we go. Here's my John the Baptist. There he is right there. Oh. That's Oliver Platt. He doesn't look very intimidating. Repent. You just kind of laughed at him. He didn't beat up people into repentance. He just yelled at them. There's kind of a God thing going on.

There's a voice calling out from the desert. That's what I'm saying. He looks like he's from the desert. Oliver Platt looks like he's from the desert. Yeah. Oh, we got another one? Yeah. Oh, yeah. We're all set up here. Yeah. All right. Do you want me to turn this around? Chat, anybody else on John the Baptist? George the Admiral Steele? You guys are just throwing out random wrestlers. Troy Engeldinger. I do not look anything like John the Baptist.

I don't know what he looked like, but you could be a John the Baptist. I could be John the Baptist. We put you up in the Des Moines River in camel hair. Eating wild honey and locusts. I'd repent. I'd be down. I'd be totally cool. Whatever you say, I'd do it. I'm pretty sure we can only come across domesticated honey. No wild honey. I'm not sure we can. We can go to Mike's house. Oh, yeah. That's true. I had wild honey. That was the first time I ever done that. I want it.

It was pretty good. It was good. There were thousands of people flying around. You guys said the Des Moines River, though. I mean, I'm a tall, getting big guy, but I don't know if I'd really be able to baptize anyone in the Des Moines River. Why? I mean, it's pretty deep. We could tether you. You don't love Jesus? You're going to tether. Do you love Jesus or don't you? Yeah. Get the river. That sounds like John the Baptist. Well, I know you want me to grow. I can't do it, Jesus.

I'd really like to have a little office job. Nice. That's me. Yep. Get nice and comfortable. I'm going to be a great John the Baptist. Take her easy. I'm just going to float here for a little bit. If anybody wants to float out to me, I can just dunk you under for a little bit. Ted, are you suggesting Ted Danson as John the Baptist? Because I think that's terrible. He needs more hair. Yeah, he knows. Now, see, I guess here's the deal. I cast my John the Baptist. I think of him as a bit big-boned, but I think the last time we spoke, we figured John the Baptist would be pretty skinny because he's all wired up on honey and locusts.

Yeah, I mean, you need a little more protein. You don't need much. I can't imagine being a big guy off of eating just wild honey. Even the locust buffet doesn't go very far. You can eat a lot of locusts and still be a pretty small guy. You see that, and then that's where your Johnny Depp comes. Ah, yeah, yeah. You could probably doctor him up as John the Baptist. Yeah, probably. Now, I have Matthias. Okay, sorry. Yeah, Dan, go ahead. Matthias, in the Book of Acts, they get the wild idea. This wasn't necessarily a God thing. They just decided, hey, Judas is gone because Pee-wee, he flew out. Pee-wee Herman was in my… Wow.

Anyway. I was the Burger King. Yeah, the Burger King. He was pretty good. So you have to find someone to replace him. And so in Acts, he's mentioned and never again. So he's never mentioned again. So he's like, he's there, but he's really not there. So I got Patrick Swayze from Ghost. He's not really quite there. But he's gone. We can't hire Patrick Swayze. Well, but… We could… We could… I mean, yeah. It's exactly right.

CG, the ghost Patrick Swayze. Yeah. We have enough samples from Roadhouse. We can definitely… We can put him in there. We could make an entire movie of just Patrick Swayze. I think that's some excellent casting, Dan. I think Patrick Swayze's Matthias is a good one. He just shows up. He's like, oh, they cast lots. And he's like, oh, Matthias wins. Woo-hoo. Then he kind of fades away. Yeah, and he's gone. And you don't see him again. Perfect. Yeah.

All right. So there it was. I should have been taking a vote. We had our ultimate cast. I'll go back and re-document it. Yeah, then we could actually put together what everybody said, what the actual ultimate cast would be. I'll go back. And then we'll… I'll put the document. We'll send out our letters. Who's going to write the script? See, that's what I was curious about the whole time. Where would you start your movie? Matthew. Oh. You know what I'm saying?

In the whole scheme of things, you're going to tell the story. That's a good question. Where do you start this story? It depends on if we have John the Baptist or not. Well, Chris, he'd be in it anyway because Jesus gets baptized. He's on a retainer. So you can use him however you want. So that's when you bring in the camera? I say it starts at the miracle when Jesus turns the water into wine because that's the official start of his ministry. And everybody's kind of hanging out. You're kind of starting to introduce the characters. So it's a party. They're like, what's this guy doing? Hey. Hey. Matthew's going, oh, yeah.

You know, and Daniel's not writing the script. Yeah, because Matthew goes, oh, yeah. At least a few of his disciples were there. They followed Jesus after talking with John. So the guys that were, Jesus borrowed disciples. They were John's first. That means we need a Mary. You need a mother. Yeah. The older Mary. Well, she was 16 when he was born. So by now she's only 46-ish. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's like an adult-ish Mary. I'm just, I mean, like movies today, you know, you're in the seat, you watch the movie, there's something, there's something going on.

Some action to grab you in. You know what I'm saying? It's a party, yeah, yeah, yeah, but like. Well, out of that water and wine, where's the drama going to come from? Where's the. Well, they're all drunk out of their gorge. Yeah, when they walk over and be like. Right. We're all out of wine. Yeah. Huh. How would they resolve this wine debauch? We should fill those sacrificial drugs. You start it there. There could be a fight. It's going to go. Well, obviously, it's going to go.

Is that the tone of the movie? No, no, here's what you do. Here's. You balance it out. So you start the scene, there's people partying and stuff, and Jesus hanging out here, and then you see, then you cut in between that, John the Baptist being put into prison. And then eventually be. Right, because then you're getting partying. Wait, but he wouldn't be there yet. No, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's right, right. Gotcha, yeah. So like, so it gives you this image, it's like, hey, man, here's Jesus rocking out with the partiers, and here's John the Baptist. And we can show him getting his head cut off. Yeah.

So like, he's in prison, he's preaching. That's action. There you go, you jerk. Now, now you guys are talking. Herod Agrippa, I mean, he's in there, he's having the conversation, and so like, it frames it, and you're like, well, what's with this Jesus partying, and this guy's getting his head cut off, like it. And why does his knees. It's almost like you don't even know who Jesus is. That will resolve itself. You have conflict. Yeah. Oh, man, I'm in. That's what we're going to do right there. Who's writing? Who's the writing? Who's the person I got?

I got this. I'm taking notes. Because we need a writer. Big Ron, you're going to write this thing? You're going to do it up and up there. Come on. Down there, whatever. You writing something up? Up, down. All right, he's going to write it. All right. He didn't agree to it yet. I'm just assuming he's going to do it. Oh. Where's he going to start? That's the scene. We're going to open a scene where you see people at the wedding party.

Jesus and all the dudes partying at the wedding? Yeah, and then after you see stuff going on, they're like, where's the wine? It's like, oh, that's kind of a minor problem. And then all of a sudden, you cut it, and you see them leading. You see the feet of John the Baptist being let in, and they come back to the party. Yeah, and you see them going to the thing. And then you see the dancing girl, but she's not at the party. Now she's dancing in front of Herod, and they order his head to be chopped off. Well, she has to go to her mother first. Yeah, this is the way this is going to work. I'm liking it. I've been reading. And Jesus, that's good. Jesus is kind of hanging out in the background, because nobody knows who he is yet. He's just the carpenter's son. I'm not supposed to start to ask. This is what explodes.

That's when people start talking. It's like, hey, nobody does this. Nobody turns water into wine. And there's a little conflict between mom and son. You saved the best for last. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, this is it. I'm just chomping at it. This is the stuff right here. Normally, people would lead with the good stuff. I'm awake all night long now. We need a low-rent camera and someone who can write a bad script. Yep. Well, we kind of have a thing to go off of. Wait, hold on. Well, we just need to cross some lines.

There are some lines written down somewhere. Yeah, that's true. Pretty sure we have an outline of the story already. Now, does Iowa still have this big thing trying to bring in? Because it was all full of corruption, and they got rid of it. Yeah. Maybe we could talk to them and say, hey, this one's up and up. It's for Jesus. Yeah. There we go. We need some tax credits. You know what? We know people high up in the administration. All right. Like, call them up, Dan. They're up. I don't know where my phone's at.

I think I'm… They're probably not watching the show. That explains why you didn't call me back. We can call a lot of these. I'm kidding. Thomas, we can't get Brad Pitt. I don't want to be a… Now, don't despair, Gabriel. We can call a lot of these D-list actors that Pants has put down. All right. I think if we do it, we can do it right. What D-list does Pants have? There is no expense for Jesus. Mark Ruffalo? Really? He'd be expensive. All right.

Anyway, you're listening live from the path. We're running a full house tonight. We're visited by Gabriel Van Orstrand. Hello. And Leon Spanglanger. What? Hey, Troy. Leon Spanglanger. We've got another… So we've just cast our movie. We've got to get that thing together. I'm pretty pumped about it. Yeah, I think that's going to be some good stuff. Who is it? I'm pretty sad my camera's dead. Anybody talking to me? Let me see that thing.

Let me see that thing. I just need to be back. All right, so… I'm not a photographer. So here's the problem. Thanks. So here's one guy who will not be in the movie. One, he'll likely be dead by the time we get any funding. And two, I just can't think of a place to put him. He's becoming borderline ineffective in society. And that is Pat Robertson. So here we go. Televangelist Pat Robertson's comments last week advising that a husband to divorce his Alzheimer's stricken wife… Oh, yeah. …drew criticism from Robertson's usual theological allies. So basically, he was asked a question from a guy whose wife has Alzheimer's, and he said,

look, can I divorce my wife? And Robertson says, yes. That's fine. They're both ridiculous. What? Because she's basically not there anymore. Yeah, it's a kind of death. She's gone mentally. Yeah. That is the most terrible thing I've ever heard. That is terrible. That's… Wow. Not to, you know… I thought it was ridiculous. I was just… I mean…

Somebody that's been there for you, you're going to do that to them? That's pretty bad. If marriage is about love and non… I mean, or, you know, self-sacrificing love, yeah, exactly. At their greatest need, you go, hey, you know what? I realize you're not going to remember it anyway, so I'm going to go ahead and divorce you because I have my own needs, and I'm going to go marry this other person, and you're boring me now. Sounds absolutely terrible. I don't know. Maybe it's a reflection on how their relationship was. Maybe the guy that phoned in, maybe their relationship was that empty. Maybe he was a large donor and wanted to feel good, and so Pat thought, I better make him feel good because he keeps writing the checks. Yeah, if he doesn't write the check, we're going to be a 650 club, and we're going to be in trouble. I cannot think of another…

I mean… Yeah, there's no way that a guy who's been talking about Christ for as long as Pat Robertson has could have something like that come out of his mouth and not immediately think, what am I saying? This is patently ridiculous. So where does his argument come from? How does he justify his answer? So the Bible permits divorce explicitly in two occasions. Death, which it was not divorce, so that's the end of the covenant. The end of the covenant, right? And then actual divorce is permitted for sexual… Like adultery. Yeah, adultery. All right, so he's basically saying that, in this instance, Alzheimer's is death. She's dead. Her mind is dead. Their relationship, like, the covenant doesn't exist between you and that person, because

that person is not existing in the same fashion they existed when you were married. Where does through sickness and through health come in here? I mean, you could say a figurative death all you want, but she's not. She's not. They haven't married her. Yeah, exactly. She's not dead. In the eyes of God, in the eyes of anyone, she's not. Right. She ain't gone. So is he looking after someone else, or is she draining his finances, and he's thinking if I just divorce her, maybe that's what he's thinking, and he's still going to be with her, but just legally not… What do you think about that, Dan? It's not a spiritual divorce. Yeah, let's say, hey, if you're bound with her… That's just a legal, silly thing.

I'd have to think about that more, but my initial thought would be… See, that's the only thing. When you get these stories, you only get a piece of… Yeah, right. So you're trying to… Here we are ripping on the poor guy, and maybe there's more to the story. He's old, though. I love my wife. I'm going to stay with her, blah, blah, blah. Oh, I see that. Like that… The inheritance is getting sucked up. Yeah, but she's draining me dry. But then he's saying, I want the government to pay for it when I can pay for it then, which is another issue of ethics. Yeah, exactly. I can pay for it.

It's just inconvenient. Hey, America, step in. Yeah, hey, that reminds me… I don't know. So I caught little bits of the Republican debate, I don't know, it was like last Wednesday or whatever. I try not to watch it a year in advance. I thought, well, why don't I just get to where I know who the guy is, and then I'll watch that one. But I caught bits of it, and it was really disappointing to me. They were asking a question about… They were talking about universal healthcare. And one of the things that came up was, you know, what if a guy has no money to support himself? Do you just let him die? Is that… Like, do you just let him die?

And the crowd is like, yeah, yeah. Like, they're like cheering on this just let him die argument. Kill him! Kill him! Yeah. And I thought… That sounds a lot like the mob. That's terrible. And how embarrassing is that? Seriously? There are people rooting that on? Pilots scared. That's pretty bad. Because their political motivation is that the government should stay out of the healthcare business. And whether I agree with that or not, like… I actually would.

I would say that I don't think they should be on the government dole. But actually, Ron Paul's answer was, churches took care of people. Like, people were sick. He goes, we didn't ever have anybody die in our hospital because they didn't have any money to pay. People and churches stepped in to care for people. Well… But, you know, this person, did they ever go to church? You know, we get into that whole… Well, it's still… We're to care for the poor and the widow and so forth. Right. And here's the deal, too. If the government was involved, this is getting actual on political party things. Right. If they would just limit the lawsuits, then healthcare would have been so expensive in the first place, and we could take care of people who are dying and say, let's help

you. I mean, I think we should help people that are legitimately in need. And, you know, it's either death or we, you know, keep our hands off. You know, I mean, that's part of society. We're taking care of each other. We're giving each other, you know, free, oh, your nose is running, you should go to the doctor. Right. Whether you go to church or not, I mean, that's just a code of ethics itself. I mean, that's not something that's just a church's view. That should be the view of the general population regardless. See, okay, everybody in that, that kind of boasts, hey, yeah, oh, let him die, rah, rah, rah, rah, that whole deal. That is the most unpatriotic thing in the world. Yeah. Because me, I'm adopted. So I've always grown up with this sense of, I was born on American soil.

It doesn't matter who my parents are. I'm born on American soil. That means all you guys have a responsibility to me because I'm an American. Yeah. No. No, I don't have a responsibility. You are. Well, but there you go. I don't do. Well, I'm not saying this. But that's. Hey, man, somebody had sex and produced a game. I have a responsibility to him. No. No, but that, I mean, but that's what, that's what, that's what makes it. Part of being a national, we care for each other. Right.

But that's what makes it difficult to, to adopt, to do any of this stuff is that, you know, as a government, they have a responsibility to any child that's born on this soil. Whereas now you get, you get past that where now it's death, right? Where a guy's dying. Now there's no responsibility there. Like there shouldn't, there shouldn't be a disconnection between birth and death. You know, there's still a responsibility there. Even if the guy, even if the guy wasted away his life. I think that's, maybe that's the question. Maybe, did he, did he waste away his life? I don't think, I don't think it matters. Did he just gamble it away and now we need to take care of this guy? Does that make it even, does that matter? I think we have a responsibility, like, it's, it's not a nationality thing. It's a people, like, like, it's a people thing. We have a, we have a God that serves, that, that came down and, and, and, and serves us as an example to show us to serve others.

And, and, and we should be responsible for that, uh, regardless of, uh, the, the, the thing is that we're bowing out of our responsibility by saying, well, I gave it the office or that they took money from me and my paycheck. Now the government can serve that guy as opposed to, it's my responsibility to serve others and be part of that process. That's, that's the distinction is, is if you could sit in a crowd of people and say, there's a guy dying and was like, oh yeah, but he shouldn't be on the government dole. So screw that guy. I mean, like, that's, that's patently ridiculous. Yeah. I don't know if anybody really goes for that. I mean, there's so many different levels. But there's, there's not like a church behind it. You know what I'm saying? Like, like patriotism and church kind of went hand in hand for a long time. Uh-huh. Maybe it's changing.

Maybe that rah, rah in the crowd is a symbol of how much it has changed. Well, how much do they've intentionally separated it too? I mean, you, you, if you keep a lot of stuff that the church has otherwise taken responsibility for, um, you know, they're, they're taking pains to, to make sure the church is not a part of, in which case it becomes, it's still possible. It's just more difficult. It's more difficult for the church to play on those, on the ground. And, you know, I think, you know, when we're talking, most people aren't opposed to helping someone who's dying. We are opposed to helping someone who wants to have a sex change or someone who has some, you know, I need bigger boobs or, you know, whatever, some elective health, a surgical thing. It's a cosmetic thing. It has nothing to do with, with actual life and death situations. Or even just maintenance. It's not, I'm not responsible to, you know, if some, somebody is too lazy to work and, and, you know, provide for themselves, I'm not responsible to make sure they have cable

TV and a, and a cell phone and, and, and all this stuff. And I think that's part of the pushback. You know, we want to provide their basic needs. We want to provide an opportunity for them to succeed, but they still got to do well. Well, okay. That's my thought. And what's your definition of grace? Unmerited favor. And, and see, I, God gives us grace where we don't deserve it. He gives us total and complete forgiveness. And I will forgive people who don't deserve it. But that's different than paying their bills for them. Or, um, we want to help them. We want to teach them. It's kind of the old thing. Do you give them fish or teach them how to fish? Right.

Making it really simple. But what helps them more? The worst thing you can do is just keep doling out money to people. Then they just become words of the state and dependent on them. Dependent. And, yeah, I mean, I've, and rather than helping them live a more fulfilling, successful life. We're kind of boiling this down to the, you know, minor little sound bites. But, yeah, that's it. All right. You've been listening to Live from the Path. We'll be back next week. As always, every Monday night starting at 10 o'clock. You can catch us during the week at livefromthepath.org. Sign up for the podcast. You can sign up for the newsletter, but I'm unlikely to send anything else. You're just wasting your time. Are we going to do the cast of Step Up 5 of Jesus and the Dance Crew?

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