From the Pathway Studios in Johnston proper, you are live from the Pathway Studios in Johnston proper. You are live from the Pathway Studios in Johnston proper. I'm from the side. Oh, yes, I ain't. I am a special agent of the land. I don't need to use. Shoot, that Bob Ross is back in there. You can't play. You don't have him on the loose screen. There you go. Rock it. There he is. He's gone. I took him back off. Okay, solid. Hey, we're joining you from the Pathway Studios in the trenches of a 24-7 prayer room. Boy, fellas, I'm excited for this prayer room time again. No doubt. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So if you remember the last prayer room, we broadcast from elsewhere. We moved our whole studio into the cafe area. Into the effeminate purple room. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm not saying it wasn't sweet, but it wasn't sweet. No, it wasn't. I did my impression of Harold Camping while we were in there. I remember it made the two-year compilation video. Hey, hey. Roloff, did you watch the two-year compilation video? Oh, man. I heard my focus was on. Yeah, we're certainly going to have to watch it. We're going to have to ask you to read it. Not only was your bum in it, but you were shaking it around. I'm not afraid to embarrass myself. Yeah, it was solid. All right. So, hey, man, we got a real wingding of a show tonight. I tell you what. So here's what we got coming on. Chris Roloff is in the studio. He's going to be sharing his vast talents to the glory of Jesus. He's going to be singing and dancing. Wait, dancing? Sure. Okay. I probably can't sing and dance at the same time.

I got a loop of him shaking his bum around that we'll just put around. We know we can do it. You can always cut through that. Yes, yes. That's right. So we'll do that, and you're going to share some music for us. And I'm excited. I'm excited. I've seen him on the YouTube. Wait a minute. Do you self-post your YouTube? Do you post yourself on the YouTube? Yes, I'm a self-poster. Hello, my name is Chris Roloff. Not like someone else caught it and then put it up for you. You just said, this is gold world. Have a look. People need to see this. And so far, I checked today, 200 views. That's not bad. Actually, we do the same thing here. I mean, it's not like we've received any outside praise or anything. We just keep recording them and putting them up. So that's solid. That's the only way to live.

There you go. Now, that one's been up there for a year, though. So 200 views over a year, that's not, I don't know what the percentage of this. It's certainly not 100. No, it's not. But I'm irrespectable. Yeah, it's not bad. I would say it's respectable. I did a hand puppet with an old sock that I was going to throw away. It had a hole in it, right? Yeah. And so I could put my thumb through the hole and use it as the tongue. So at the end, my big finale was going to be, eh. And it didn't catch fire. So I pulled it. I thought, man, there's no reason to keep it on. But I thought it was going to be funnier than it was. It turned out it wasn't great. You know, on our YouTube channel, my wife and I did it. She got a Snuggie for Christmas. You know, the huggy, snug, the blanket with the arms. Did you buy that for her for Christmas? No. Her sister bought that for her. And so we thought it would be really funny to say our thank you as a 30-second Snuggie commercial.

Couldn't figure out how to do a Snuggie commercial. So what I did was I played the Snuggie commercial music on my laptop, used the video camera from her laptop, and she just kind of danced around to the voiceover guy. It's really terrible. But you can see it on my YouTube page. This sounds fantastic. Yeah, we're going to spend some time on the Roll Off YouTube page. Yes, exactly. Sounds exciting. Make it 201 views. That's right. So Chris is going to share some stuff with us. It's going to be awesome. Also, we're Skyping in Donkey Farm for Jesus. Yeah. Explain it to me. It's the Rodeo Bible Camp. Oh, yeah, that's right. We're going to be talking to Tom and Jason from the Rodeo Bible Camp in Missouri. And we'll Skype him in, have a talk with him, see what it's about. It seems like a pretty sweet operation. So how did you run into these fellas? I met Tom at the Knoxville McDonald's. I was ordering food, and I was wearing my Live from the Past shirt. It had a donkey on it.

And it had our moniker on there that says, Fierce Grace, Honest Faith, Fierce Grace, and Donkeys. And he says, Donkeys, huh? I said, Oh, yeah. He goes, Jesus, huh? I said, Oh, yeah. He goes, We need to talk. I said, We certainly do. And so me and Tom talked a while, and he helps run a Rodeo Bible Camp. It's got rodeo training and Bible study and whatnot. And I checked out the website, and I'm like, It's everything I want to be a part of. So we're going to talk to him, find out when it is. I think it's coming up here pretty soon. And get the gist of it and see how it goes down and find out why we can't start our own Rodeo Bible Camp here in Johnson. I feel like we're remiss for having not done so. Yeah. I mean, we're such Rodeo guys. All we need is, I mean, look at us. We're classic country, you know. I can see myself in that boy's belt. Yeah. That's what they say about me. We just talked about a story last week where I was afraid of two horses

who were looking at me funny, and we're certainly going to run a Bible camp. So we'll see how this goes. We might just have to fly, Tommy, and maybe so. Also, as I mentioned at the start of the show, we are in the midst of a 24-7 prayer room. That's 24 hours a day, seven days a week. For two weeks, that's the goal. Someone should be in our general vicinity praying. And so we normally during the prayer rooms, our show will sign up for a two-hour slot. Pants is in there right now. He's going to be praying for half an hour. They're going to swap out guys every half an hour. So someone's in there praying, and we're keeping the show going. And I like it in the room here because the way that our building is set up, we are in the midst of a prayer room. So of all the rooms in this wing, the broadcast room is the only one that's not actually part of the prayer room, but we're inside of it. But if we open the door, it would become part of it. We'd be letting the prayer air in. Yeah. Like that? Prayer air? Like holy air. I just said that there just to see how it would go. I open the window.

Yeah. It's steamy. I don't know. I'm excited. The prayer room is pretty cool this year. It's got this time around. Of course, there's paper all over the walls, so you can write your prayers on it. And if you want to, and other people can pass by it when they're in the prayer room, they can pray for that. And you can see the prayers that other people are having, and so you can pray for those people while you're in there. And it's just a cool setup. You can spend some nice time alone with God and really just get past all the pleasantries that you usually get away with before you fall asleep at night. You know what I'm saying? They're the ones you try to throw up and be like, oh, God, thank you for that. You know what I'm saying? Like it's you and God for an hour, and you're up. So you better just get to the tax relationship. You know, God, here's what I'm struggling with. Here's the things that are going great. Show me what you want out of this. You know, just let me see what you have going. And it's, I don't know, it's just a really powerful time to get some alone time with God and pray for some needs of other people's and thank him for the blessings that he's given

and just find out what he's got going for you. Well, and I would say if your immediate reaction to, you know, an hour of alone time with God, if that's a bit intimidating, I would suggest that it's the right place for you, right? Like if I am intimidated by spending an hour of time with my creator, my father, then I probably have room to grow. It should be a good idea because they've got room to grow in that it's probably a good place to start. And it is intimidating. I'll give you that. I think the first time I was in there, I thought, A, what am I going to do for an hour? And B, he's heard it all. I mean, God has heard it all, hasn't he? I guess he's not going to be impressed by my nuanced conversation in the prayer room. But, you know, take away, like, just like God is not impressed by my works, he's not impressed by my mouth either. He would just want to spend time with me. He says, I want you to come to me with your stuff. I want you to talk to me about where we're at. I want you to spend relational time with me. And so we get past the spot where you have to impress the Lord. He's seen you, and he's not impressed. Right. But let's start from there. That's where he started from. He's like, well, you guys are junk. I'm going to have to send somebody else.

So, look, you might as well just acknowledge that's what I've done. But then he looks around, and he says, look at all those junkie people down there. Boy, I want to spend some time with that guy. No doubt. Ben Foose is going to jump in that room, and I want to hear what he's got on his mind. I want to talk to him a little bit. So, anyway, I've not been in there yet. I haven't even looked around. I mean, I've obviously ahead of time was doing other stuff, but I haven't gone back to the back room. I haven't really paid attention to what's happening. Kind of on purpose, so that I can come in fresh. Come in fresh. Fresh experience. All right. Well, and is this week one, day one? This is week one, day one. This is what, hour three? Yeah. Nice. Fired up at 7 p.m. So, anyway, 24-7 prayer room, and then we're going to give some advice, and there's a Jesus story in the Newsweek that's got Mike riled up. Yeah. Yeah, that's the truth.

I mean, that doesn't say much. You could have a one-ed for an old pickup truck that fires Mike up. That's true. You've got to be kidding me. You better replace the rocker arms. There's no way I'm paying $600. All right. Well, I'll tell you what. Roloff, we've got five minutes before we have to call the donkey man. Okay. So I've got five minutes to know, how did this singing and dancing come about? I mean, have you been doing this for a long time? Sure. The singing and dancing, how did it come about? Like a lot of kids, I like rock and roll music, and, gee, when did I not like rock and roll music? So, anyway, I always liked music, and when I was in middle school and going into my high school years, I started playing in bands, but as a drummer, I'm a drummer, really. That's sweet. I can keep the beat. We just had a drummer move away, so we might need you once in a while. Mmm, temptations. Do you guys have a ready-made drum set? See, because that's one of the early songs I wrote was when I moved to Dallas, Texas. It's a group in El Paso, Texas. One of the opening lines was, I sold my drums and packed my van and moved out west.

But anyway, I didn't go west. That doesn't rhyme. You're not a board of lyrics. This is going downhill from now. How did that go? Which is going to go really interesting. The drummer was the way to stick, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. I'm not the songwriter. We can say I was a rapper. Yeah, you know that old joke? That old joke, what do you call a guy who hangs around with musicians? What? A drummer. So that was me. That was me. And still is me, really. I thought I was going to say cigarette salesman. Probably more lucrative. I didn't. He probably made money. I've not heard the joke. That's not a very good one. But anyway, so, no, I mean, I've… Cigarette salesman.

I'm sorry, go ahead. Let it sink in for a little bit. There's a certain brand of ridiculousness that I don't buy often. So anyway, that's me. I mean, I've been in bands and playing music for a long time. Yeah, the singer-songwriter thing kind of took growth kind of in, I guess, my college age years. And, you know, just kind of a hack like a lot of people thought I could write songs and sing songs. And I just like playing guitars. Never been, never taught. I wasn't in band in high school or any of that kind of stuff. I just, you know, I was a rock and roll guy. Now, when you played in a band, did you, like, book gigs and, like, have a schedule? Did you play, like, 10, 15 shows a year? You know, I don't know how many shows we played a year, but, yeah, we did play regularly. We did tour. The band that I was in when I played drums, we toured twice. We did two country-wide tours, which really is… Well, that's not true. The second one was all Texas only. The first one we did, we really thought we'd go out with a bang. The goal was, we were in El Paso, Texas, and we were going to tour from El Paso to Cornerstone, to the Cornerstone Music Festival, and back. We were successful doing that, but that is a pain in the butt, to travel in a van with

a lot of guys, playing a lot of shows, and being tired, and sleeping in a van. When we got to Cornerstone, we did play. We played on… Back then, the impromptu stage was a tented stage. You guys are all familiar with Cornerstone Music Festival? No, we're not generally allowed out of the building. Oh, sorry. Well, I thought you guys were Midwesterners. This is a large music gathering, Christian music festival in Bushnell, Illinois. You were in a traveling Christian band? Yeah. Oh, that's cool. Played rock and roll for Jesus. That's hip. Which is an interesting story in and of itself, because we were one of those kids, we were one of those bands that did the, well, we play music for Jesus initially, and then it became more, we played music. And love Jesus. I think I've heard of Jesus. Like the Doobie Brothers. And then, Jesus is just all right. Yeah. Just like the Doobies. Yeah. Chris Roloff was in the Doobies.

I was in the Doobies. Now you've let the cat out of the bag. Wrong cigarette salesman. Cigarette salesman. It's a 50-50 split. The old left-hander. Buy now, pay later. The left-hander. I'm sorry. Roll off. Christian Jesus. I'm with you. Totally. I was going down here quick. No, but anyway, so the, interestingly enough, on our second tour, the Texas-based tour, one of the big stops was in Austin. We were going to play a house show in Austin, and by this point, we had stopped really doing a lot of the Christian stuff. We were doing a lot more of the rock and roll stuff, and we played a house show in Austin, Texas. And when we got there, the guy who was putting the concert on said, man, I'm so excited that you guys are here. We made a big deal out of it. And some people knew who we were in the scene that we were in, and so you guys are headlining and all these people are going to pack the house, and we've got some bands that are open

for you, and it's really exciting. We've been praying about it for three months. We really want the Lord to move, and it's going to be this great outreach event, and I'm starting to get kind of queasy in my stomach, because I was, we were heathens, man. Right. We're just rock and roll guys. We love Jesus and everything, but this guy knew us as a Christian band, and he knew us personally. Right. We were his personal friends. You had Jon Bon Jovi's set list to coming. Right. We did indeed. And so I kind of went, man, and he goes, so are you guys ready to share? Like, do you guys know what you're going to share and stuff like that? Oh, that's a double meaning coming from other Christian dudes. Are you ready to share? Oh. You know what I'm saying? Like, they expect a story. They do. They accept the heavens and earth to move, and about 40 million people get saved. Well, I looked at the singer of our band, and I said, man, and he just said, yeah, we'll pray about that. And we were like, man, we don't do that anymore, you know?

And so anyway, we went to the show. It's an interesting story, and we normally, we didn't share. We didn't do Christian stuff. We played hard rock clubs, and we just, it just wasn't for Jesus, per se, although we were all Christians, but that's neither here nor there. So all we would usually ever say is this last song is kind of an artsy worship song to the Lord. And so before we got up there, before we played that song, this lead singer of our band, Sean, would say, and this song's really about Jesus and how we love him, and here it is, and that's about it. And that was kind of always weird, and sometimes he'd say that, sometimes he wouldn't. Right. So this particular day, he was pretty confident that he needed to at least say that, but he wasn't a real outspoken guy. He was, you know, he's a shy guy. And so we got up there, and it was, this was all riding on it, this whole night. It was a house show packed full of people, people outside the windows, just everywhere listening to rock and rolling. And he gets up there, and he says, so this is our last song, and it's kind of about how we love Jesus and stuff. And he just turns around and starts playing it, because it starts real slow. And I was like, oh, crap, I can't believe this is it. It's over. We missed it. It's done.

This is our last song. After this, we're walking to the stage. And out of the corner of my eye, I see my buddies, and they're just like, oh, my gosh. You know, this is all riding on this stage. Oh, you heathens. We know it. And like three chords into the song, string breaks. Take that. And I went. I said I want a story. Yeah. And I went, oh, OK, God, is kind of what I was thinking. I was like, well, then I'm going to do it. I don't know what I'm going to say, but I'm just going to get there and do it. So I just came from behind the drum set, and I got there and shared for, gosh, it must have been 20, 30 minutes. I shared for a long time about Jesus and who he was and different opinions and thoughts and this kind of thing. And that was really it. It wasn't an altar call. I wasn't that kind of a guy and didn't really know what I was doing, just sort of shared. Don't really remember what I said. And I was done. We sat down. We played.

The song went awesome. And after we got done, the whole place just erupted in conversations about Jesus. There were fights in the lawn about, oh, you know, you're God and da, da, da, da, da. And guys weeping and crying. Guys recommitted their life. We heard all these different stories. And it was a cool thing. And that was, for me, I had been playing rock and roll music with these guys. That was the end of our tour. That was the big thing. We drove back to El Paso after that. And I told them, I said, I want to do Jesus more than I want to do music. Yeah. That's quite the story. Hey. Yeah. That was good. That was good. I like that story. Hey, join us on the phone. Tom, Jason, you guys there? Yeah. All right. Join us on the phone are Tom and Jason. Thanks for joining us on Life in the Path.

How are you guys doing tonight? Good. Glad to be here. All right. Good. Well, I can see you guys. You guys are looking. Is this past your bedtime? You're looking pretty wide awake. It is past our bedtime. But that's at 8 o'clock. Coffee is the care. Okay. That's true. That's true. Hey, well, thank you so much for joining us. So Mike was telling us, Tom, how we ran into you, ran into you at a gas station. No, no. The McDonald's. Or the McDonald's. Right. Right. Oh, yeah. I just told the story, Ben. I largely don't pay attention.

I'm sorry. Roloff was telling an interesting story about Jesus, and I forgot the details of your story. It just kind of slid off. So, I guess, tell us a little bit about your camp. Well, we started back in 2007, President and then our camp director, Sarah Savitz, and Tom's, the church that Tom attended had been going to. I guess you should probably tell that part, where you were. Well, we just went to Kersey, Colorado, and helped with the camp out there, kind of helped them set up and different things, and then just got excited about it, seeing how God worked with rodeo. So, for folks that are unfamiliar with what you do, maybe give us just a quick introduction on what you do, what your target audience is, and what you're hoping to influence. Well, we live in a rural area, and we hire professional rodeo instructors, and basically to draw kids in where they can be instructed by an actual, you know, working cowboy or rodeo cowboy to teach them events, you know, so that they can get started or excel in those events. But get a chance to get them into chapel two different times a day, and the whole idea is to use rodeo to get them, you know, as a draw, but to expose them to the gospel. Like the old bait and switch. Yeah, exactly, and try to apply that. And, you know, we always, you know, our main goal is to find Christian instructors, so, you know, they don't all, you know, preach to them and use scripture in their instruction. We cover that in chapel, but some of the better ones are the ones that, you know, that we, you know, we really appreciate it when they do add that in. But the idea is to win them to Christ, but it really excites a lot of kids when they get an opportunity to learn events that they wouldn't normally get an opportunity without paying an outrageous price to get professional instruction. You know, a lot of the kids, you know, a lot of the kids, for team roping, for example, I've seen them, some of these instructors, which I believe is with God's help, brings these kids in that hadn't had any experience, and they'll be riding a horse and roping a steer on the run. In three days, that's amazing. So they're excited about that. At the chapel, you know, whenever you allow the Holy Spirit to move and just to start just firing these kids up, you know, souls are saved. Yeah, I tell you what, this whole thing, like, reminds me of the sovereignty of God, right? Because if God would have, if I, let's say that I'm praying at night, and I'm like, Lord, what will you have me do? And he says, I want you to get a horse and a steer and a rope and lead people to Jesus. I said, you got the wrong man. You know what I'm saying? Like, I can help with the Nintendo.

And so it just kind of reminds me of, like, the person that God has designed you to be. He's put you where he wants you, where he can use you, giving you the talents, the interests, and the things that can glorify him. And he uses it if you let him. And I think that's pretty cool. Well, I think one thing is, like, I have an uncle that he actually came. He was our minister last year. He'll be our minister this year. And I was on Facebook, and I was seeing some pictures of him taking the youth out of an evening and fishing, which he's loved to fish for years. And I said, I'll bet that was hard for you to tear yourself away from other things to take those youth fishing. You know, and we were joking. And he said, there's nothing that says that God can't use you in the things that you love. You know, a lot of times we feel like it has to be a sacrifice. And it doesn't always have to be a sacrifice. We can do the things that we love and benefit and glorify God and reach people. You know, that's exactly what I was thinking when you were first talking, is the misunderstanding that people have of, like, God has created you with some natural talents and with some things that you really love about his creation. And then people have the thought that you have to turn your back on whatever that is and go try to find God in somewhere that's more difficult for you. And that's just straight up preposterous, right? I mean, God has given you this look on life. He's given you things that you enjoy. He's given you talents to use. Why would he give you all those things and then, you know, stick you somewhere where you're ineffective or where there's no joy? I don't believe that about God. I mean, sure, people will go through trials. And sure, God may send you places that you're not initially comfortable. But, you know, like when you were talking about, you know, like bringing folks in and kids enjoying learning and stuff.

And like, well, yeah, God is going to come find you. He's not going to open up a church building and say, get in, you know, or else, you know, God's sending folks after you. I love that. I agree. All God wants you to do is to say yes and use the talents that he's given you. Yes, definitely. I think that's where most of us fail is just not saying yes. Now, here's the thing. I feel like I succeed at watching a lot of television. And I've yet to see the Lord move a whole lot in my area. What do you guys think? Am I down the wrong avenue here? Where are you at on this thing? Say that again. Yeah, what was you saying? I feel like I watch a lot of TV, fellas. And that maybe the Lord's not quite using me to my full potential with my TV watching. You may be right. But I think it will be on the TV. Maybe he wants you to start a television ministry. Yeah. Look how successful that is, right? He's grooming you for a television ministry. Right. Here's how everyone else does it.

He has a little bigger hair and brighter teeth, a little gleam, and a smile. You say, no, no, fellas, that offering plate is not near big enough. Order the big one. Give me a golden chair. I guess it depends who you're watching. Hairspray's not just for women, boys. So, like, you guys, you're coming up on the summer. Like, do you have any big events coming up this summer? The Rodeo Bible Camp itself will start, it starts June the 13th and runs through the 16th. And that's what we're getting ready for right now. We have a fundraiser the 19th of May, which is, you guys would probably like this. I don't know how city you are, but our fundraiser is we go and judge a coyote hunt. A man owns a pen that dogs run coyotes in. And if we go judge it, then he gives us all the proceeds for that day. Those proceeds go to scholarship kids that can't afford to go otherwise. Oh, cool. So how do you judge a coyote hunt? It's like, yeah, you got him. We're pretty sick, Tom. I'm really, yeah. I have no clue. What we need to do is come out and do this. I'll give you the over-the-TV view, but you guys need to come down and see it yourself. I'm afraid of mosquitoes, Tom. We set up at specific spots.

They actually have numbers painted on the dogs. Okay. And you say… Like a fish. Dog number one, two, and five, and six went through first, and you judge them accordingly. And then you write down those numbers for a two-hour period of time, and they actually plot all that into a computer, and then they decide which dog was first the most. Well, the coyotes will run past you. I mean, you can be sitting on a four-wheeler or sitting on a log, and these coyotes will be oblivious that you're even there, and they may run within 15 feet of you. So you can… It's easy to see what number dog is closest to the coyote. Wait a minute. Wait. You get wild coyotes, and you put numbers on them? Who does that? The dog. I'm lost here. We just have a… They put wild coyotes in a pen, like 1,000 acres, maybe, or 900 acres of pen. I mean, it's not like a 20 by 20 square in mine, and then somebody had to go out and paint a wild coyote. I'm like, who gets that job? Calm down, boy. FitTech's roping a wild coyote. Have you guys ever been snipe hunting? Mike, you've done snipe hunting.

I'm in big trouble. We were taking Mike out later tonight, as a matter of fact. Really? Okay. I think Mike's a little sharper than that. You don't know Mike. You're overresting me. I'm certainly sitting. And I think they're brothers. Is that correct? Yes. Yeah, that's right. Twin brothers or…? Yeah, twin brothers. Yep. Seriously, that's cool. I have twin sons. How old are they? They'll be a year in June. Oh, cool. Congratulations. Well, we catch these guys and number them once in a while. Do you do that? Yeah. I once found myself in a thousand-acre pen with a number on my back, and, boy, I couldn't

figure out what was going on. Why is everybody shooting at me? You know, that would surprise me that you say that. You don't know what goes on in the city. That's right. Do you guys… Like, if someone wanted more information about the camp, do you have a website or anything? Yes, we do. I give that to Mike. You still have it, Mike? Yeah. I did. It's www.SheratonHillsRBC.com. That's www.SheratonHillsRBC.com? Yeah. Sheraton. C-H-A-R-I-T-O-N. Yeah, and if I remember correctly, when you go onto this website, it'll kind of give you a breakdown of the events that are coming up, the ones that you can sign up for, the ones that you'll need a horse of your own in certain events, and some of the horses will be provided, and then kind of some different classes that they offer. I think one of the… Was it the riding and the calf roping was kind of for beginners, right? And so that they didn't have to have a horse for them? Well, like horsemanship and things like that.

I mean, like, if you get into the roping events, you'll have to bring your own horse. Now, the bull riding, you don't have to furnish your own horse either. We provide the bull. Is there any donkeys on this land? There's mules. What's the difference, Tom? Between a donkey and a mule? Yeah. A donkey is half… Or a mule is half donkey, half horse. Yeah. And a mule is a purebred animal. A pure mule. A mule is a hybrid. Hybrid. Yeah. Now, see, have you heard of people that… There's a lot of the cowboys that have quarter horses. You've heard of that? Yeah. Okay, a mule is half horse. It's above these quarter horses. That's how that works. I'm a quarter horse man, and this is our mule man. I do the security for the camp, and I ride the mule every day.

There is… You track people down with that mule? In a costume background, you can pull back his background. This is the coolest camp I've ever heard of. And he's a mule rider, and I'm a horse cowboy. And there's about as much difference in both settings. This sounds fantastic. But we coexist, and we're good friends. Yeah. As far as camp goes, we started in 2007, and started with 37 campers our first year. In the last two years, we've been up around 80. All right. So on your website, there is a horse and a child flying through the air off the back of the horse. There he is. And I'm a city boy, but I'm seeing… My mom sees that picture. I'm going to go to, I don't know, quilting camp instead, probably. That's probably a football without the pads and the helmet. Yeah, see, there's a reason for the pads and the helmet. You know, though… I remember really liking those. Once you end up in a setting like that, or you see a cowboy come flying off a bull, and the bull comes by, and at the last minute, the clown saves him. And if he doesn't, it's a good time to talk about salvation. All right.

They are so open to getting God in their life when they're about an inch from death. You think that bull is scary? Have you met Satan? Actually think that they'll… Mortality? Yeah. It's not hard once they get thrown off that bull. We've been going about this evangelism thing all wrong. All we need is a knife. When every bone in your body is broken, that's when people listen. Do you know Jesus? You're gonna. You're about to meet him. You better make your choice. I love you guys. Get the coyotes. Well, Jason and Tom, thank you guys so much for taking some time out of your night to share information about the Sheraton Hills Rodeo Bible Camp. That's pretty awesome. Do you mind if we check up with you after the camp is finished and see how things went? I would love one of you to come down during the camp. I was going to say, have you ever seen the movie City Slickers? We'd like to come down and visit. We might have to do it. You stop in and we'll give you a badge and we'll give you a tour.

Yes. I'm excited for you. I want to be on the security details. I want to go. I need a movie. That'd be great. We'd love to have you. I'm buying a Jesus knife, so I'll be ready. All right. Well, we're going to let you guys go. Thanks again for hanging out with us. And I think we're going to have to be in touch because I'm interested in this thing. Okay. Well, thanks so much for having us on tonight. Yeah. You guys have a good night. Thank you. Thanks. See ya. They have goat time. You're darn right they do. Boy. Boy. I didn't think about that. You'll think about your salvation when we're throwing you off a horse, Bill.

That's brilliant. Do you think that hurts, buddy? The prosperity gospel is not the way it's going. They went the other way. I love it. I feel refreshed. I feel kind of like a wimp. I feel like a little metrosexual or something. I'm like, I like to get my fingernails dirty over there. Well, then you say stuff like that. It's not helping. Well, look at them. You wear some gloves. I wear gloves. You got some cowboy-looking gloves here. Where's the manicure station? I brought mine. I cut the holes out of it so I can see myself twinkling in the sun. Hey, Dan, you're ridiculous. All right. Hey, you're listening live from the path. If you want more information about this, I'm saying I would probably send my kid to this thing. I agree. If I could get it past my wife, I would send my kid to the Sheraton Hills rodeo Bible camp. You ever ridden on a horse or anything, Roloff?

No, I have not. Would you do it? That's very exciting. I like that he said that in, like, what, three days, some kids come up there to just learn? I mean, that's really cool. That is cool. That's pretty cool. Because I think it is intimidating. I'd like to foot race a horse. You think they'd let me do that? He's got two feet on you already? Yeah. I said I'd like to do it. I said it was a win. But I'd call names. You'd talk smack as he's passing you. I'd get my Jesus knife out. Not everybody's heard that long face gig. Okay, so here we are in the city. Okay, I'm pretty sure the rodeo thing's not going to go. So we have, like, you know, rodeo party in the back of Life in the Path. What happened? What do you do in the city? Why do you reach city kids? Dodgeball.

Ooh, dodgeball. Dodgeball's fun. To camp a dodgeball. I don't know. I mean, can you make a three-day camp out of dodgeball? I think you can. Dodgeball basics. Trick dodgeball. Do you do basketball camps? Football camps? I used to go to football camps and stuff. Yeah. We do dodgeball. Yeah, so… Sounds good, man. They're spinning. The wheels are spinning. I'm telling you, you get your body all bruised up by dodgeballs, you're going to hear some cheeses. You could get to progressively harder. We've got to make it a little more dangerous, though. Yeah, but here's the problem, right? Like, in the country, that kind of stuff plays. Here, we'll just get sued. Like, one kid will get a hangnail, and his mom will show up, and they'll take us to court

and take everything we own. Well, luckily, we don't own anything, so… Whatever. They'll take it all. The pathway dodgeball camp is broke. Again, the benefit of not following the prosperity gospel. I'll sue you. Good luck. The only thing that I have that's worth it, you can't take. You're listening to Life on the Path. I'm going to go relieve pants. Okay. So I'll be back in just a little bit. Okay. We are on every Monday night from 10 to midnight here at lifeonthepath.org. You can catch us during the week at our YouTube channel. That's youtube.com backslash lifeonthepath. You can catch clips from the previous week's shows, clips from our musical artists, as well as our two-year anniversary compilation. It's the hottest thing out there, Dan. It is. People are flocking to it. It's crazy. It's embarrassing. I can't go out in public.

I don't know the feeling. So, let's see, unaware party of the two-year anniversary clip. Chris Roloff is here. Chris is the station manager at KTIA 93.3. 99.3. 99.3. 99.3. Boy, if you only had the numbers in 93.3. So do you guys air more than two hours a week? We do air more than two hours a week. They're one of those fancy 24-hour radios. Fancy schmancy. I've never heard of such a thing. Why would you even do that? No one even cares. You can do it all in two. It saves time. Why stretch it out? We can do it in two hours. Yeah, you guys are up against Steve Dace right now on our stations. That was good. It was great. Steve who? Steve, yeah. Steve what?

Steve, huh? He doesn't own youtube.com backslash lifeonthepath. I'll tell you that. That is true. He's been trying. He's been after it for years. That's a hot commodity around these parts. All right. So anyway, so Chris is in studio. Chris is here to demonstrate his musical stylings. Yes, which is quite embarrassing. So let's get on with it. I want to hear. But you're a drummer. Oh, that's right. You did not bring drums. Ah, very observant. We have a djembe and some congas that are here in the office. Yeah, I could just do a solo djembe performance. We could make up some work. There's not enough of those left handers for that to be interesting. Yeah, so I did two of them. We did our Stevie Nicks thing. We did Sunday. I'm playing with the thingies.

These are the thingies. Oh, yeah. Excellent. So you want me to try to get the guitar out then? Yeah, yeah. Let's bust it out. Okay. It's going to be a little clunky. Oh, that's all right. Pants, why is doing that? What are your initial thoughts coming out of the prayer room? Scoot on up there. You beat me to it. I've not been in there. Shoot me on it. As usual, the prayer room is awesome. There's not much else I can tell you about that. Pants is at hour three. Pants is the best color man in the business. We are three hours into the prayer room. That has now started. I stock myself with talent and I shine because they shine. Any shocking moments in there? Any, you know, anything? You know, I really, I'm not too sure.

I just came from two visitations. One of a good friend of mine who has three very young children, two, four, and six. And I talked with her husband. He was doing okay. Okay, but I still couldn't get over, he's got to raise those three kids. Yeah, it's the wife who passed away, right? Yeah. And I, buddy, he had a good support system, it looked like, and he was doing good, but all I could think of is I was going to be in a week. Yeah. Or two weeks. Did you get his name written down? I know it. But I don't. You could write his name in the prayer room saying I can pray for him, too. I was thinking about it, and then I realized if I write his name, I won't even be able to read it. Pants does have creepy handwriting. When they need some kind of psychopath handwriting for movie font, they ask Pants what's going to do it. That's the only way I make a living. Yeah. That is awesome. Yeah. Yeah.

You do have the movie trailer voice, though. You could do the scary movie trailer voice or the scary movie trailer handwriting all together. That's true. You've got to market this better. And then you can do rodeos. Pants, you could call rodeos. That'd be cool. I could, but isn't that a little quicker? Yeah. Slow them down. Can't you give something to the animal? Here you go. Have a little drink. Yeah. Our announcer can't keep up. Slow the bull down. Bull. They better knock it off, or I'm going to start writing your name. I know where you live. Let's see. Forget about eight seconds. That'll do it. Pants even has a rodeo reference way to go. Good job, Pants.

All right. All right. So what do you got for us, Roland? What are you going to play? All right. Well, how professional is that? I bring words on paper. Nobody can see that, man. The camera's like too high. You just outed yourself for no reason. And pretty much everybody does that. Yeah. Yeah. Really? Yeah. The vast majority of artists that come in have lyrics with them. Really interesting. That makes me feel good. You know, the first time I did it, I got teased. And then I realized that one of my favorite artists, Michael Stipe from R.E.M., he has song lyrics on stage. Part of the reason why I have song lyrics are because this is a lot of what I do, my progression in music kind of went from drums in a rock and roll band to playing terrible songs that I had written. But I have a, anyway, I like playing chords and I like singing.

And I started singing church music and worship stuff and got involved in worship music. And then kind of got interested in older text, hymns and things like that. There's been a move in the last several years amongst a lot of people, even Chris Tomlin, Matt Redman, those guys, to do some of the traditional hymns, maybe just contemporary, like in the same tune and the same melody. But there's a lot of, when you look at it, I go to a church where we use a hymnal. And you look at that hymnal, gee whiz, we sing the same songs over and over again just like everybody else does. We're not, we're missing a lot of them. You've got 12 songs out of 720 possibles. Exactly. Or maybe you've got 25 to 30 that you ever actually sing, because you've got to add Christmas in there. Right, exactly. You've got those holidays in there. And so I'm not alone in this. There's a lot of people that have kind of taken the opportunity to look at some of these older texts and just put new tunes to them. And if anybody listening or in the future notices this, when you look at a hymnal, you'll notice the words were written at one year and the tune could be written as much as a hundred years later. And that got a lot of people thinking, hey, wait a second. Maybe the reason we don't sing some of those songs in those hymnals is because the tune blows or we can't sing it anymore. It's awkward.

It just sounds strange, you know? So that's kind of what I got into. It really started with the song that I'll probably end up doing last was the first one I did. But so anyway, I just started looking at hymn text and putting new tunes to them. So that's a long way of just saying everything I'm going to play minus one song if I play all these is a hymn redone. Now, this particular one I did add a chorus or a refrain to. It's called Who's on the Lord's Side. It was written lyrics. The lyrics to this were written in 1877. All right. Well, so this is Who's on the Lord's Side featuring some archaic text and Chris Rola. Yeah, archaic text. Interestingly enough, in English, though, so not archaic. That's a language. Who is on the Lord's Side and who will serve the king? Who will be the helper and other links to bring? Who will leave the world's side and will face the foe? Who is on the Lord's Side and for him will go? Not for weight of glory nor for crown. Into we the arm raise the warrior song. But for love that claims the life for whom he died. He whom Jesus' name must, must be on his. The fields are wide.

Jesus, thou hast bought up, not with gold, but with thy own life. Thy diadem, with thy blessing filling, thou hast made us willing. And thou hast made us. Fierce may be the conflict and strong may be the foe. But the king's own army, none can overthrow. Round his standard raging, victory is secure. For his truth unchanging, makes the triumph sure. This is a harvest and the fields are wide. This is the fruit by thy grace divine. Savior, by thy grace divine. Savior, there is a harvest and the fields are wide. Ripe and ready, this is the fruit of the divine. Stephen was stoned, yeah, who bore my stripes. I like that. That was pretty good. I did not recognize that song. Yeah, it's, uh, you probably wouldn't. A lot of people don't sing that song in church much anymore. The lyrics to it. And there is a harvest part that I added. I wrote that. I was guessing it sounded a little more, like, even though it was written 2,000 years ago. Contemporary. Indeed, indeed. Pats, you heard the song, See the World by Gomez?

No, I haven't. See the world, find an old-fashioned girl. You know what I'm talking about? Have you heard that? Okay. Roloff sounds just like that guy. Like Gomez. Who's Gomez? He sings the song I just poorly did. Well, I must Google. I'll see if I can find it, but you sound just like the guy. Thanks, man. It's excellent. And he's a quality artist. See the world. I was nervous because you saw the YouTube song. Hey, I have that in here if we do that. I get the same problem. I'm always afraid someone has seen me on YouTube, and the impression they may have of me is pretty dangerous. So, when we start our rodeo camp, or our dodgeball camp, we want you to come and lead worship. Thanks, man. I do contemporary worship stuff, and I do some more typical hymns. Now, are you kind of like a Phil Collins? Can you drum and sing? You know…

Okay. Hold on. Yeah. You got your headphones on? This is Gomez. Oh, sweet. No, I don't have a medical time. Day to day. Where do you want to be? You think it sounds like Gomez? I think it sounds more like Simon and Garfunkel. I'm humbled either way. Hold on. Let me try this. Yeah. What's this? Yeah. And he's kind of got a Bebo Norman thing. I kind of like Bebo Norman. You know who that is. I don't get that. I don't get your station. We don't play music. Thanks, Ben. This is the first time I put the headphones on.

Now, I'm more inclined to lean into the microphone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, well. So, the other day, I was thinking about something fancy. So, I have a question for you on what we were talking about earlier. When you were in a band, and you were traveling around, you were touring, right? Oui. Oui? I mean, yes. Is that like French? You don't do French. French, sorry. I don't know if you were saying, like, we were touring. Seriously, we don't get your station. So, now, if I understood this correctly, you started the tour doing Christian songs, or by then, you had not been doing Christian songs. Let me say this. I'm wondering how the transition. How do you transition? Because one genre to another, it's pretty vast. Right. The kind of band that we were in, you can, no, you can't Google us. Because, see, when we were playing music, there was no of the MySpaces and the Facebooks and the Twitters and the things that the kids like these days. In fact, bands didn't even have websites.

But, anyway, so, the kind of music that we played was, look, I actually was listening to it again recently. It had some pumpkin, smashing pumpkins-ness to it. So, it really wasn't, there wasn't really anybody, there wasn't any Christian artists really doing that, and we weren't trying to be Christian, per se. We weren't trying to advance a message. We were trying to be artists. Yeah. Or just whatever, make music and perform it and whatever. So, we never really were ever doing Christian music, per se. You know what I mean? Like, you wouldn't have heard us on any Christian station. Like, even if there was, say, a local radio station like Pulse or something that played local music, they wouldn't play us. We just, we wouldn't fit, we wouldn't have fit that mold. But, I personally, and the songs that I wrote initially, here, this is, can I play you? This is terrible. Yeah. So, this is how, when I first started playing, this is how bad it is. You'll notice that it's the same basic chords as what I just played, too. Oh. I don't know a lot of chords. I don't know a lot of chords. So, this is, this is, this song is really short, and it's really funny, and one of my favorite artists is a guy by the name of Damien Gerardo, and he had a 7-inch that came out

and had a bicycle on the cover. And this is a song that was inspired by a legitimate dream that I had, and it's called Riding Bikes. I would not play this except for you guys. Awesome. Riding Bikes on a hill, passing trees. Oh, crud. I can't remember it. Anyway, that's how bad it was. Until I spilled. Did you like how I did the, I did the, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, that's definitely making the YouTube. Oh, crud. Let me wipe the tear from my eye. So, the stuff that we did, if any of my friends from back home are watching this, they're going to get a kick out of that, but, you know, even the songs that I wrote were not, they weren't intended to be Christian. They were just songs about stuff. So, did that answer kind of your question? I mean. Yeah, so you weren't like doing, going from church to church necessarily. You were probably going from bar to bar or whatever, wherever they had bands, you know. Right. Typically a bar. We were, we probably would have been kind of in the punk scene where you would have kind

of all-age shows, what they would call them, so you just rent out like a storage. We would rent storage spaces and have shows in storage spaces sometimes. You just have rock and roll or punk bands playing in random places because there wasn't a place to play and it wasn't going to happen in churches. We would have played in churches and we did play in churches at times. I should be clear that we did. I've played in churches, even the junk that I wrote, but it wasn't, it wasn't particularly designed to be uplifting or worship. That's kind of, that's never right. But I was going to make, I was going to make a bad joke. Um, we started, uh, when I started playing music a little bit more seriously with a band, with a drummer and a guitar player and the whole bit, uh, and we called ourselves clean hands. That wasn't just an invention for this show, but, uh, um, the, I was going to make the joke that clean hands, what does that mean? Well, we're just another version of the righteous brothers. Oh, so that was, cause clean hands. The reaction was, Oh, yeah, it was bad. No, it was bad. And that's anytime you play in a joke, it goes, so, yeah, but, uh, so, uh, so, uh, so are you playing, um, are you playing in a worship band currently? You said you play at church? Uh, we, um, I go to Redeemer Presbyterian in the Drake neighborhood, um, on college Avenue. And, uh, right now we don't, uh, I don't, we're working towards maybe getting guitar involved. It's mostly piano.

We, for Easter, we have an orchestra. We usually have once a month. We have an orchestra play, but we're doing, we're doing traditional hymns and some of that stuff, the way it's originally structured is a little clunky for guitar. It's a lot of fast chord changes and stuff like that. There's, there's some hymns that translate really easy and you can just add a guitar to it. So we're looking at doing that. But, uh, and I don't even know that like even that last song that I did, I don't even know that that would fly in a church. You know what I mean? I don't know that it sounds churchy, but in a rodeo camp, but in a rodeo camp, you can do anything you want at rodeo camp. I bet that's not true, Dan. I bet they keep a tight fist on that thing. That Tom doesn't look like he puts up with business at the rodeo camp. I think they get pretty intense. I'm going to guess. I think they'll rope you. That's what I think. I think they train kids three days to rope you. That way you come back and you start acting up that one of them roping punks comes after you and puts you in a corner. All right. You're listening to Life in the Path.

That was, uh, that was Chris Roloff, uh, legitimate artist hanging out with, uh, here with us here on Life in the Path. Uh, wait, you can find Clean Hands on Facebook. Yeah. Go to Facebook.com. Hey, or if you go to, uh, if you go to Life in the Path, if you look what we like, we like Clean Hands. So you can go to our, uh, Life in the Path Facebook page, see what we like, and one of them will be Clean Hands. It's got a, it's got somebody doing sign language on there. I think it means to go to the potty. It's a C and a, and this. It's a C and an 8, Jay. There, I have just liked it myself. Your numbers have gone up. Dude, I think we're at 17. Yeah. Anyway, it's a prefix. That is awesome. You can, it's a hand doing a prefix. You can like it. I like it a lot. It's a hand doing a prefix. Clean hand at that. I would love to play, I'd play another song for you.

Yes, let's make, let's do it. Okay. I better, I better trade with Mike. It's been a half an hour, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Slop him out. Okay, I'm out. We're losing Dan. Um, here, this is, I don't know, speaking of Facebook, I posted on Facebook, uh, recently that I kind of have a conundrum. Can, can, can, can, can done? No, no, conundrum. No, no, done. No. Conundrum. And, um, that is that I, I kind of, this is a, this is a hymn called, Now, Thank We All Our God. Now, this was written in German. German, I want to say maybe in the 16 or 1700s and was translated into English later. These, these words are really old, but they're really inspiring because, um, at the time that they were written, this was, this was kind of like that song, David's song, like, oh, you know, all my soul praise the Lord. Like, this is kind of one of those songs that was written in a time where no one wanted to thank God. They didn't want to praise God.

Right. They wouldn't have instinctively done that. Things were crappy. Things sucked. And, uh, this was a song that they wrote sort of saying what they should be feeling. Um, and if you listen to the way the song sounds, it sounds like a song that's sad, but the words are happy. That was the, the way I heard it in actually at our church. And I just thought I need to, I need to spice it up. Give it some juice. Yeah. And so I, I, uh, I have a conundrum is my conundrum is my conundrum is I have two versions and I think the second one is better is one, the clean one. One is the hands one. Oh, okay. Hey, Mike. Hey, what's happening? So anyway, um, let me play for you the one that I, I think is, is, this is a, um, you've missed all the interesting stuff about what's going on. Let's go. Yeah. Let's, let's cut the chat. Let's go with the good one. Yeah. Do the good one.

Let's just do the good one. I don't want to hear your junk music roll off. What do you have? Bring the high quality one is kind of just, he's, he's talking about some kind of German him. Now here's, here's my guess. It, hymns sung in German sound like imprecatory prayers. That's my guess is like all German hymns sound like someone is praying against somebody else. Is that what a, what do you say? A precatory? A precatory. It means that you're praying for someone's downfall. With the Lord's assistance? Oh, it's knowing you're fine. Yeah. Pants, you're in big trouble. Everybody in Germany has something against you. You know, Ben, we don't need that language on this radio show. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. So, uh, so, but this, so you missed it, Mike. It's a German hymn translated in English. Still very old. Uh, sad. What sounds sad with happy words?

It did. Oh, the way that I heard it. And I'm hoping that this sounds a little, this one, in my opinion, could potentially work in a church that sings, sings traditional hymns. The way that I, that I think I did this one, I think it could work. He spiced it up. I don't know. I think I just updated it maybe. Because the spiced up version, I just played the, that, that sounds like, you guys are guitar guys and that just sounds terrible, doesn't it? Does that sound like that? I think your B string's out of tune. Roll off. Would you want to help me? Go ahead. Should I do it without the hooter? No, just play it. I'm sorry. Excuse me. You're solid. That's better? Yeah. All right. So, so that's the version that I'm not going to do. Oh.

It's uppity like that. So I slowed down. I'll be nice with the floor. Right, right. So what I did is I tried to slow it down so that it could be more singable. That's a whole different discussion. But I feel like we're kind of in your mind here. Like you're having a conversation with yourself. Does it make sense, Mike? I'm following it, you know, but I don't know for how long. I'm waiting for the turn signal to see if I should pass. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Well, let's do it then. Behind the music. Chris Rolloff. Think we all are with heart and hands and more. Wondrous things as God. Who from others are. Rest us on endless gifts of love. And still is ours. This mountainous cow. Keep us in this world. Days and things to God. Thanks, man.

Yeah, I really like I could really see you singing along with that thing. That's what I thought. I feel like it needs a fife. Okay, it's a fife. A fife like a small flute. Yeah. It has that. I almost, when I start, did you hear the wannabe? Navi, fri, no. Yeah. It has that sound, doesn't it? Yeah. Yeah. I liked it. Like I felt, I don't know, like just a marching snare drum. Here's what I had the vibe of is at the end of a movie where like the dad has come home to take over his father's farmland. His dad died. He left the farm and he went to go do something else. And finally he decided to come back home and take over the farm. Yep. For his family. And so he gets there. And then there's like a lone fife. And Alison Krauss is singing that song on top of it. And then on the third verse, a group of like grade school kids joins in and sings the end of it.

Yeah. And that's how I like it. Yeah. And he looks, he's looking out the front door, right? And he sees his old man's hat. Yeah. And he puts his old man's hat on and he says, and then he walks out the door and gets to farming. Yeah. I like it. I think this is an awesome tune. Do you have any, do you have like a CD available? No, no, no. I was hoping that you guys were going to tape this and make me rich and famous. Well, we certainly taped it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I appreciate that. That's very humbling. I was, it was funny. I was talking to my wife. You know, I, uh, kind of an interesting story on that same note. I don't play live really ever. I, I have, but it's been a long, long time, several years. Actually, uh, I would submit it is impossible to play anything but live.

Yeah. Well, sure. Right. Yes. I get that is deep and philosophical, uh, Ben, where you're going with that. But what I mean is, you're a double-edged sword, Roloff. Like, I, you have amazing, amazing powers. He blew me away. He says, I don't play live. I thought, well, confound it. How does he do it? Get out of here, magical man. Meaning that I don't play in front of people generally. And I, so I was telling my wife that's kind of nervous about this, but, uh. Well, you picked the wrong place, Roloff. We're pretty critical. No, and that's what I was, actually, part of why I was looking forward to it, you know, when, when I, I made some comment, was that you, Ben, that saw me on Twitter? Yeah. And I made this comment that I kind of missed playing live, because I was sitting there playing some of these songs by myself, and I just thought, yeah, I just really enjoy playing them in front of people. And, uh, you caught wind of that, and you invited me on. And, Mike, it's for that very reason that I thought, this would be the, I want, I want, because you're going to tell me if it sucks.

Oh, yeah, let's be, yeah. I want you to tell me if it sucks, because what I can't stand is, is the, that's so nice. That's so lovely that you did that. It's so lovely. But I, I don't want that. Like when you got that haircut. Like when I, you know the haircut. I don't want this one. I don't know. It's not a good haircut. I don't, I can always default to the haircut. It doesn't matter when you got it, when the last time somebody got it, you go, yeah, that haircut, that's something. Like, oh, seriously, is it that bad? Because I thought they cut the sideburns a little high, and I, oh, man, I've been worried about it for days. I do that. But when they said, you want to cut in style, you took the wrong half. That's what he's saying. Here's what makes me feel comfortable, right? Like when the, when the gal that cuts my hair, when I sit down, she's like, what do you want to do? And I say, well, I just need to be more respectable looking. She goes, no problem. And breaks the cape out.

But like some ladies, I'll sit down and say, well, I just need to look more respectful. And she'll go, well, what were you thinking? Like a number two on the sides? I'm like, I don't know hair stuff. You know, that's why I'm paying you to do this thing. Just do, make it look better than it does now. Well, well, what were you thinking? Like a bowl cut? Or I'm like, I don't know. Bowl cut. Well, I don't know what that means. Just, where's the other lady that just puts the cape on and gets to cutting? You know what I'm saying? Like that's the lady that takes charge kind of lady that says, I know what's happening. It's not like the air conditioner man comes out and says, well, I was thinking of replacing your condenser coil. So, what was your thoughts on this thing? I don't know air conditioner man. You do air conditioners, not me. Just to fix it. It makes me uncomfortable when the ladies don't take charge and get to cutting. I don't want to have any say in it. I just say, hey, look, I need to look better than I do. And they know style. I don't know style.

You know, I haven't had my hair professionally cut for like 15 years, right? I've been cutting my own hair because there's not much to deal with. So, I just run the thing through and call it a day. But I recall being in a, when I was like 16 or whatever, I went to a hair salon, a normal haircut and joint. And they had these books of dudes with haircuts in it. And they're like, choose a style. And I kept looking at these dudes and like, there's no way I'm going to look like this guy after this is done. I said, do you also do face transplants? I mean, this is misleading. Do you have a beach and a water barter available? So, I can see if it's a comparison. I mean, you could put James Van Der Beek's hair on me and I would just be an ugly James Van Der Beek. Like, that's not what sells him. You know what happens? Those guys get, it always happens. The younger they are, they get long, long hair that flows up or whatever. And you know they've grown up to be a mature adult actor when they shave it down. That's true. They get almost the buzz cut and then they're starring in a role like some kind of important fellow. And the thing is, is because a guy like Ryan Gosling can get away with that. Because he has a face that can sell any haircut.

Not me. No. Yeah. You sell the Ben Foo style. I can barely sell a ho-ho. Let alone a hairstyle. You're like, there's space for rent here. That's what you sell. So, I left. Actually, I asked for the Sinead O'Connor. And you're listening to Life of the P. I had a joke. Forget it. It would have taken too long. We are. Nothing compares to this haircut. It would have taken a long time to say. It was a solid gold. But it was silver. You're listening to Life of the Path. We're here every Monday night from 10 to midnight broadcasting from livefromthepath.org. You can also catch us during the week at livefromthepath.org. Links on the left-hand side. Take you to our YouTube channel. YouTube.com backslash livefromthepath.

Like us on Facebook because your mama would want you to. And you can also sign up for the audio archives and get the podcast. Mike at least gets the podcast. We got one guy. I listen to it every week for critiques for others. I find that my performance is usually dead on and others have tanked the show. I don't know. Maybe I don't listen to it in enough volume. But I generally think, good point, Mike. And then, eh, Dan. Come on. You know, bring your A game. All right. I missed the other two tunes. What were they about? Were they German in flavor as well? Did I do two already? No, you missed one. Oh, okay. That half bike tune doesn't count. Oh, yeah. I'm going to say you missed the bike. Oh, there. That's true. You didn't miss a song about the bike.

Is this your first time here? You have to talk in a microphone, Pants. You can't just yell across the room. Mike. This ain't no body bar. It's not a bar room. You missed the bike tune. Okay. I'm sorry about that. That was the tune that you should have listened to. It's a good thing I subscribed to the podcast because I will listen to it. And maybe I'll have to email a critique. Yeah. Please critique the bike song. No problem. Mike. Mike. Thoughts on the prayer room? We'll see if he outshines pants. Yeah. I… To be honest with you, I didn't do a whole lot of looking around. I just kind of did a whole lot of praying. I've actually had like, I don't know, 20, I don't know, there's a huge amount of things that I've been trying to pray on and I feel like I've been kind of half-boning it in.

And so I just spent a lot of solid time praying. And so I, you know, I did, they had the bowl where you could wash your, you write your sin on the projector paper and you put it in the water and the water will wash it away kind of symbolically. I had to give it a shot. I used a legitimate sin. And then I didn't pick any of the big ones because it was too, I mean, I don't want to write the whole thing in there. It would take a long time and too many pieces of paper. But I picked some of my petty stuff like when I make fun of pants and I think I shouldn't have done it and put that in there and it washed it right away. It was very cool. I don't know. It's something about visually seeing your sins washed away is, I don't know, you know, it's cool. I wouldn't pay 50 bucks for it at the Christian bookstore, but I'd certainly do it for free in the prayer room. Well, you know, I was thinking about that. I was writing the instructions for this thing. So, I mean, to give you a picture of it, it's just a bowl like over in the corner and we've got, that's full of water and then there's some plastic sheets of paper and some, like a marker there. And the thought is that you can write whatever sin that you've been holding on to or whatever and then, you know, kind of drop it in the water, be praying about it, you know, and then be able to like look down there and visually see that Christ is the redeeming blood or as

the water has wiped that sin away and it's clean, you know. And the cool thing is you can go in there and you can see, you know, the 20 or 30 other pieces of plastic of people that have come in before you and also done that. So, like, it's kind of a good, it's got a refreshing representation to see other people, you know, you are in the midst of people that are blameless before God, not for anything that they've done, but what God has done, having gone through Jesus, we are then blameless. But the one thing I thought of is, like, I don't want to misconstrue it, right? Right, right, and your sin on a piece of plastic and dump it in the water doesn't do jack nothing. Right, right, I mean, it doesn't do anything, right? You really got to grab onto the metaphor. Like, the whole point is just to look at it, because I think we can say, I can acknowledge and say, well, the Bible tells me that Jesus died for my sin and my sin, you know, I'm blameless in his eyes because of his sacrifice, but I have a hard time feeling it. People have a hard time grasping onto that. You can find random hours through the day where you're like, there's no way that that's true. You're still holding onto something that God has otherwise let go. And sometimes just being able to look at it and see it, like, here was something that I wrote on here that is not me, that represents a sin of mine, and I can look at it, and that is not the same thing that I started with, that through Christ I'm now holy and blameless. And so that was kind of the thought, but I thought, you know, some guy, you know, somebody could walk in there and be like, hey, I did the bowl and I'm cool, right? I totally saved by the bowl. I mean, there's all kinds of, like, you know, things to look at, things to pray on, like prayer guides, but, like, one of the things I wrote in the prayer booklet was, like, none of these are, you know, biblically approved by Christ is awesome.

Right. He didn't say, if you're going to put a prayer room, make sure you've got a bowl in there. Right. You know, all of them are just ways to help you connect with God in a way that perhaps you have not done before to keep you from getting stagnant. Like, God is fresh. If there's a stale, it's in how we approach Him. And so some of it's just to kind of open your eyes to just a slightly different way to make sure that you're connecting in a way that's healthy for you. So anyway, that was kind of the thought behind that. I think that's beautiful. I think, you know, in a lot of ways that's why the Lord instituted something as simple as Lord's table of communion, that we, you know, we take the bread and wine or grape juice or whatever it might be on some regular basis. I think in the same way, God wants us to, He does want us to see things. We're hard-hearted. Yeah, stiff-necked. Stiff-necked. You know, oddly enough, Mac, J. Michael McCoy and I co-host the show, and he had never seen the Passion of the Christ movie. And it was Holy Weekend. Of course, we were talking a lot about the suffering and the scourges and the crown of thorns and all the different stuff. And I think, you know, people really get hung up on all the beatings and the lashings and the bleedings and the uh and the uh and how terrible and awful it was.

And I was like, you know, that was nothing in comparison to what he really suffered. He suffered that separation between God from God the Father who he eternally existed with always. And as I was thinking that, I told that to Mac before the show started. And the show started, and we started talking about the movie. And I said, well, Mac, why did it impact you? You know, why did seeing these things mean anything to you? And he started talking about how he, you know, he, he grew up Anglican or in the Episcopalian church. And they would just say that Christ suffered and died on the cross and was, uh, rose again for our sins. And the suffering part just, he just sort of said it, he suffered, you know, like I suffer because I didn't get Taco Bell today or whatever. I suffer like he had no concept of suffering. And as he was saying this, I thought, wait a second, that's exactly why Jesus was beaten the way he was and why he suffered the way he did physically, because we can't comprehend the suffering he experienced. The separation. The separation. We can't comprehend that. And so seeing all the beatings and stuff, as gruesome as they are, they're a way to give us that physical, that visual, that tangible touching thing that, that helps us understand something that we can't fathom. Well, I think, think about that, like the, the greatest suffering that Jesus went through was to become like us, was to become separate.

You know what I'm saying? Like he, he had existed internally, eternally, um, without separation from God, the father, his, his biggest, uh, his biggest, not punishment, right. But like, like the, the most that he could do was to have, be have that separation between him and the father, which is how we are in our natural state. Right. I don't know. That hits me. Uh, it's pretty heavy. It's pretty heavy. Well, yeah, I mean, I don't know. I mean, that's you, when you start to put it in, in all of that together, like, I don't know, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the word sacrifice takes, starts to take on a, a much bigger meaning, right? Like he sent, he sent Jesus and Jesus knew this was coming. He knew the separation was coming. He knew, he knew the whole thing was going down and he wasn't afraid of the physical violence, right? And just like you were saying, he was afraid of the, of the separation, but that kind of blows me away that, uh, that all that had to be done so I could even grasp it. You know what I'm saying? Like, like Jesus, you know, he was considering the, the, the separation from God, the big hairy deal. And like, I do, I get hung up on them. Like, I remember, I watched the passion this week with my wife and I remember, uh, him

carrying, you know, he was carrying the cross down the road and they were just still, uh, beating on him. And I'm like, can you, we just stopped that. He'd get it there. If you'd quit hitting him, I mean, just stop, you know, you know, it's, it's hard when you're watching, I don't know, even, even, even a, even a guy that I would hate, I couldn't watch that and go, he had that coming, you know what I'm saying? And now a guy that has no business having that coming. And, and, and, and for some reason when I was watching it, I kept thinking, and I talked to my, my, my daughter about this, uh, a little bit later the next day, cause we read the crucifixion in her little children's Bible, you know, but, um, I basically said, it's, it's hard to think about that, that, that, uh, you know, I put them there and I did the whole thing. Like I did, I orchestrated it. I basically lined the guys up, gave them whips and said, go, because that's how I have to, I don't know. That's how I have to have to put it in my mindset to, to make it not just a story to me. You know what I'm saying? I had, that's how I have to bring it to me to real that if you take every crowd, every person out of there, take all the government officials out of there and just have me and Jesus. And I say, I screwed up and God says, I'll take the punishment for this one. And I sit there and watch it all go down. I couldn't do that to you. You know what I'm saying?

I couldn't rob a bank, watch the police show up and rest pants and keep my mouth shut about it and just say, thank you so much for what you've done for me. I'd be like, stop it. He doesn't deserve to go. You know what I'm saying? And, and, and the most powerful part of the passion, uh, and the most powerful part of the crucifixion in the Bible actually is when God, when, when Jesus says, uh, no one takes my life away from me. I give it, I gladly give it. And that's huge, right? Like what kind of massive, awesome, never ending God do you have that says no one takes anything from me? I give away what I choose to give away. And that's, that's a pretty sweet God to know and love. Pants, you want to cough or something or weigh in on this thing? I want. Pants, you got to talk in the microphone. It's not a speakeasy. Do not, don't respond to my speakeasy comment. Just move on with something else. Go ahead. I'll, I'll wait. That was a good thought on the passion. Like, Hey, let's go, man. We were broadcasting from, uh, from the news boy show.

Oh, and boy, uh, real roll up was on, man. That was, that was so cool. I was totally, I, I was washing dishes, man. I had my laptop on the counter and I just thought you guys are the coolest guys in the whole world. This is so much fun. And you guys are just right there in the, in the thick of it, man, it sounded like a million bucks when it worked, when it sat, when it worked. Oh my gosh. Was it newsboy sounded great. There was a couple of times it blacked out, but, um, but when it's, I was like, you're kidding me. We run into internet, slow, slowness internet out there. We're going to have to get a truck. But it was, it was really cool. And it was really, it was really engaging anyway. But yeah. I was going to say, uh, we had, we had problems with my best color man in the business. We'd be like, yeah, the, uh, we're talking with guys at the city harmonic and these jokers be sitting. Whatever. Uh, I asked how many pairs of socks they bring on tour with us. You're right. That was solid. By the way, truth to be told that I was really listening and was very impacted emotionally.

Boots and cats. Boots and cats. I, uh, I guess I go on the next day, man, I go into the radio station and I'm telling our, our production assistant, Ron, you know, he's in his late fifties, early sixties. And I said, I said, uh, you can beat box, Ron. He goes, no, I can't, man. I said, say boots and cats. And he was like, what? I was like, say boots, cats. He's like boots. Whoa. And then I said, and then add washing machine. It was great, man. It was so great. I was like, this is awesome. And my, I got my wife doing. And then everybody's boots and cats and all over the place. It was great. Uh, yeah, that's double J. He's classic, man. You watch him. He's going to, he's going to catch on. He ever, he was on a show and he did the boots, cats, and then he did the breakfast rendition of it. Oh, yeah.

He was like, uh, uh, uh, pancakes, pancakes, pancakes, it's classic. He's, he's unbelievably skilled at that. Yeah. That was a good tip from the day. Boots and cats. I was very, I liked your comment too, uh, Ben, as I typed in boots and cats. She's like, I done work on the chat. That's definitely got to be a roll off. Oh, by the, by the way, Hugh, the camel says, hi. Ah, he talks to the camels. I love you, the camel. I, you know, here's what I thought. I see this, you camel, right? I'm like, who did this? Who did this? This is funny. Who did it? Who did it? And they said, well, we'll take his roll off. I said, no doubt. We totally should have beat him to this punch. I didn't come up with this. You guys have a donkey. It's part of the show. I know.

We don't have its own Facebook page though. Everybody ignores him. Everybody ignores a donkey. I love the donkey. He's a nobody. You're, uh, you're listening to live from the path. Uh, we were in studio, uh, with Chris, the bad man, roll off. Mikey, you got any other nicknames we can use? Uh, ramblin', the wild Russian. I don't know. What do you think of the, the rambler? Yeah, I like the rambler. That's interesting. My, I have a, I do have a blog, rollofframblings.blogspot.com. Actually, I read that because you posted something about, uh, Calvinism. Yes. And I read the whole thing, including the comments. You stay, you're supposed to stay out of the comments. We just talked about that. I know. It was before we talked about it. Okay. We had a big discussion on how you're. Why do you have to stay out of the comments? Because when you, when you get into the Christian blogs and you start getting into the comments,

that's where Jesus leaves the discussion and it just gets to be next. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. It's getting to see it in belief blog. So the post is generally okay. You could give or take it. And then you get in the comments and Jesus goes out the window and a bunch of yesos show up and just ruin it. Yeah. I think the, the open comment section of any, of any blog was a development of the, the Lord of darkness who said, here's something, here's a legitimate guide for the day. Well, here's a bunch of people like degrading it down and spitting on it. I don't agree with that. The church should keep the doors locked all the time for security purposes. This is ridiculous. Act seven. You don't know. Act seven. No quotes. No random. You're like, are you kidding me? Second Thessalonians. I don't know. Jesus would have worn overalls because he's overall.

I write, I write that everywhere. I can have a chance to say it. Go check most of the Kaibos in San Francisco. He doesn't say Osh, Kosh, Bagosh because it sounds too much like a swear. It sounds like a swear. Oh, man. Oh, Bagosh. You meant to say Bagosh. We know what you meant to say. Or worse. Oh, man. That's classic. All right. You got some more tunes? Absolutely. Totally addicted to you guys. I do. I have three, but I'll do two. How about that? Okay. Now, this one, truth be told, I do want to. Do we have enough time for you? Oh, wait. This is 11.27. You got plenty of time.

Woo! All right. So, this one here. He's pretty excited about this one. It makes me have to potty. All right. So, we're going to take a trip to, I don't know where we're going. But anyway, this is all original. It's 100% original. The other ones that I did, you know, those were hymns that were rewritten. So, this is lyrically, musically, the whole bit. This is a roll-off original. I feel like you need a PR man. You know what I'm saying? Doing the storytelling of that part? I'm just saying, like a guy that writes your bits. I don't have big bits. I've never been good at the bits. But I hang on to them for a good. I stole the first line, though. It's completely original. Where's the music? Except for that first one. Yeah, except for this part. And, of course, it wasn't my idea to put a capo on it.

It was somebody else's idea. Okay, here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to be roll-off's PR man. Okay. Okay, so here's the deal. This has come right from the heart and soul of Chris Roloff, who has a love for Jesus, a love for music. Dig on this one. I don't like that. That's it. Some of these words are mine. I mean, people have used them in other songs. Like, not together, but individually, people have used these words in different spots. I saw one on Wheel of Fortune the other day. It's a $5,000 word. Anyway, that's in my song. That's what Sajak said this word just two days ago. That goes to a swear. Because he's overall. That's why. Because he's overall. I like to write that every time. I give up my heart, which is a burning apple. It sets on fire, my hands and my feet. I unfold my hands, crave wealth like an armed man.

To rest in slumbering feet. As I wait, I wait to be home. Wait to be, to be home. Wake up the news, which is the coin recovered. To protect my head, put light in the shade. In my eyes are a dream's awakening. To hear the king. As I wait, I wait to be, to be, to be, to be home. Which is a traveling shadow. Recall the deeds I forgot. There's a pit on fire. Beast inside, the applause you redeemed. To be, to be, to be, to be. Cheers to will unhindered. Race to help coming down the hill. Cheers to the throne of the righteous. To receive the hope of your kingdom come. As I wait, I wait, to be, to be. Something weird happened at the end there. I liked it. Did you hear, we came in. Did you hear the singing? That was nice. That's catchy. For some reason I feel like you're the Bob Seger of Christian tunes.

I don't know why. I don't know why I felt that way. But I was listening to it and I'm like, I just got a lot of secret. It's got some Seger to it. I thought you said bottom feeder at first. No, no. Bottom feeder of Christian tunes by that. No. Bottom Segers, that's good. Do you think he sounds like Gomez? Yeah, I think so. Okay. I want to become a Gomez fan now. That's a pretty good stuff. I heard that. I only know one Gomez song. I only know one as well. It's a good one. I know more Seger. I like that. I like that tune. Yeah. I'm not waiting. I'm not waiting. I'm not waiting.

I feel like you should have like five guys a shout out. You know who you need? It is a shout out. He needs Adam Cates. You need an Adam. So like you saying that, you saying, I'll wait, and Adam Cates comes in and was like, I'll wait. Does he do a good yelping? Kind of. He underutilizes. He sings a lot of slow burners, but yeah. He's got some yelping there? I think he could bring in the cool growl in there. Anyway, I like that too. Thanks, man. I do have one more that I would like to play with. We've got plenty of time. Are you doing that? All right. So here we go. I roll off. You don't run the show, okay? You do what you're told, okay? You don't decide what happens. I'll tell you what I'm going to do.

That's the thing. Who are you guys again? Anyway, you're lucky I'm here. You don't normally get paid for these kind of things. Yeah, can you say legitimate radio? Not you guys. Dace is on my level. It shouldn't be a radio station right now. They keep me off the radio, then. He's secretly listening to us. That's right. He is probably. You tell him I've acquiesced. He can have life in the path that over 550. He might take it. That's 550 bills, too. There's no decimal in there, buddy. We take the high dollar. You listen. Wait a minute. Is the Jackson the 50? Or is the Hyundai? What's the Hyundai? Jackson's the 20. Franklin's the Hyundai.

I've never seen a boomer 20. They make those? Franklin's the Hyundai. Who's the 50? Who's on the 50? Grant. Hamilton. No, Hamilton's the 10. Yeah, Grant's the 50. Dan, put the Google on it. Put the Google on it. That's like, do you guys ever, have you guys ever watched the show on IFC called Portlandia? We don't get your station here. I feel like. This is on the TV, man. This is not me. I didn't do this. Anyway, there's a. This is a funny show. Anyway, they're making fun of, they're making fun of the, the, the, the Portland is like if the 90s never stopped happening. If the dream of the 90s was still going. And so, Portland's like this really cool place. And they just make a joke that if you want something to look cool, you just put a bird on it.

You notice that in art? Like, there's a thing. Put a bird on it. It looks cool. You know? That was the Pepsi logo for Woodstock. Remember that? Yeah. They put a bird on the edge of a guitar and they sold it like it was going out of style. That's, that's true. A toilet sitting on its own is a sign of poor things. There's a website called presidentsonmoney.com. You kidding me? But like, if you had a toilet with a bird sitting on top of it, it would be like a sign of a new beginning. Totally. Put a bird on it. So we, we say this so much around my house that my three-year-old daughter will say at random, put a bird on it, mama. It is a win in doubt. I bet that comes in handy. Mel Gibson's on the 50th? Is that what he said? Well, times have changed. I can't keep up with anything.

Hold on, Dan. Dan's, Dan's. I got to watch the IFC or watch the K-Tia. K-Tia. K-Tia. Is that what you call it? Your place? Yeah, we call it the Tia. We ain't got no time for the K-Tia. Time is money. We don't have much of either, so Tia it is. Yeah, that looks like Grant. It's Grant. That's what I said. That's beautiful. Well, you know. I'm waiting. What? Ben, you were correct. I didn't say you weren't correct. You better go type. You got, you have to. I said, I don't know who it is. Here's what you're going to do. You're going to go.

You have to go to five Christian blogs this week and type, Ben Foose was correct about that Grant thing. You know I can't go on. And then some guy's going to come up and say, Grant was the devil. He tried to take parts out of the Bible. I like a couple Woodrowed Wilson bills. Woodrowed Wilson's on the 100,000. I did not know they made a $100,000 bill. They made a $100,000 bill. That's not a legitimate bill. He wasn't a legitimate president. Hell. Well, thank you. Hell. Thank you. Put me on the air. It's worth 10 bucks. I've got commentary. There's a lot of zeros on that puppy. Yeah. Do you think that'd fly? How many of them does it say? Why are we talking about it? Do they say how many of these have been made? I've got five in my billfold.

I don't know about everybody else. Do they have a Jesus on the other side? Rule off. You ever give out one of them fake Jesus 20s? I've given out the fake Jesus millions. Yeah. Fake Jesus millions. Now you're just adding insult to injury. But you pick it up going, yeah, this isn't real. I used to have 20 bucks. Now I got Jesus. I used to have a mint. No. Now I got Jesus. Now I got Jesus too. And I always use them in lieu of tips at restaurants. Yeah. You know, that really furthers the gospel. Rule off. There's definitely a guy who doesn't know Jesus loves more than to get scammed out of 20 bucks. Some kind of chintzy churchgoer at the Sunday buffet. You know, actually, that's one of the, what did I read it somewhere? Like, the worst day to work in any tipping restaurant is the Sunday lunch. Where you get a bunch of chintzy, pious Christians coming in there.

And they're all complaining. Yeah. Whining. Yep. Here's your tip. He talks like the overall guy. He talks like the Chris Roloff show. Poor Andy off. I've seen it. It's a good joke. How's it happen? It'll be on YouTube soon. I'm driving my car and I put a bird on it. It sounds like a swear. Disaster. Did you play the second year anniversary clip? No. Oh. No. I thought you were going to do it. Yeah. Yeah. No. We can. Well, maybe we'll watch it on the way out.

All right. So, you want to do some advice or you want to roll off to take another slam attack guitar? Okay. We'll squeeze one more in before the show's over, but let's give out some advice. I can't turn the people down. They bang at the door. Yeah. I didn't really have one prepared. I was trying to create a segue. Oh. That was poorly done. Okay. Here we go. Here it is. Dear life from the path. Iron sharpens iron. Ting. Hey, man. Oh, shoot. What was I supposed to say? We're not doing it. Why do you keep trying to do it? We're not doing an iron sharpened iron open. Hey, man. Ow.

That hurt. What was it? It was one iron versus another iron. Hey, shouldn't we stick together? No, we're not magnetic. What could it be? I'm wishing like I could just have the last 30 seconds of my life back, but I can't. It's gone. Dear life from the path. I work for a small company. Employees here bring in treats to share and leave them in our break area so coworkers can help themselves. One employee, we'll call her Karen, sits at a desk. I added the inflection. I don't think that was in there. One employee, Karen, sits at a desk that is very near the lounge and snaps to attention when anyone walks by with treats in hand. Then she jumps up and follows them into the lounge, where she lingers until the snacks aren't ready. She'll hover over the trays of whatever is being offered while eating samples. Then she takes a huge helping and stands nearby while she eats it. She follows that up by taking more back to her desk. It's annoying to see a plate of cookies or a pan of brownies that were brought to share with everyone, gobbled down by one person. Karen earns a good salary, so she certainly has enough money to buy her own food.

So, life from the path, what's a good way to tell her to stop? Okay. This is the story she's painting of this lady. Now, hold on a second. Hold on a second. She's been a lot like the only real complaint that could be lodged here is that she's taking more than the normal amount, right? Yes. That she is close proximity to the brakes. That sounds like jealousy to me. You wish you were close to the brakes, doesn't it? Yeah. That she follows it in there. How do you know she follows it in there? You're also hanging around. Or at least, you know, is she worried that she's not working? Well, the gal writing the letter is not working either. She's watching it all. Yeah. So, like, I mean, reasonably, the only legitimate complaint here is that Karen takes too much. And that seems easily handled. Karen, you're only one person. You know, unless that bunion on your face has an appetite, you just need one cupcake. I don't know. Something about the way you said that just seems like it's not friendly.

You know what I'm saying? Like, hey, bunion face, you've taken too many. It just, it doesn't scream Jesus. You know what I'm saying? More sounds like bunion face. I might have been a little harsh. That's why I wrote Life on the Back. I'll do it with my harshness. Okay, so we're in agreement. Okay, so, I mean, is it pretty important to see Karen's taking too much eats? Like, the way she's telling it, like, she's taking half the pan of brownies. She comes in, she nibbles the brownies. They finally open it up for business. She takes two brownies, eats them while looking at everybody else, and then takes five more brownies, goes back to her desk, and hogs them down. Now, she doesn't mention that other people are not getting snacks. I mean, that doesn't seem to be bothering her. It's just she doesn't like the girl is the problem. And so she's nitpicking and coming up with stuff. I mean, really? I don't care what anybody else is. Actually, it doesn't say that anyone else is on board with her, either. She's not like, hey, me and my coworkers are sick of this. Yeah. She's just like, by the way, I don't like Karen.

Karen, and she eats too much. Yeah. I mean, that's really what it boils down to. I like how you slice this bread down to where the meat and potatoes are. Because I was like, man, that woman stopped stealing food. But you're looking at the writer going, why don't you like Karen? Yeah. I mean, really, why do I care what someone's snacking on, or how much time they're snacking, or how much they put on their plate? It's none of my business. Yeah, like, unless they're your snacks. Yeah. I mean, that would be different. That's not fair. If I brought them in for Mary and Karen ate them, it'd be like, hey. If I came in here and Pants had six brownies, and they're only 12 available, I said, I would say something. Pants, those are community brownies. Why did you eat six of them? Yeah. Like, that's not even like a socially awkward thing to say. You know what I'm saying? I'm saying, like, it's awkward if someone's going to somebody else's desk using their stapler or something, and it's offensive. But it's, like, way different.

It's like an open area, a food for everybody. That seems like I would have no problem even telling a complete stranger, hey, man, you're not supposed to take, like, way too many brownies. Yeah. Other people, are you going to leave some for everybody else, or are you just going to eat all those? So she should make a sign that says, please take only one, or keep them at her desk and say, I will dispense one per person. Oh, yeah. Like, the elementary school, like, heads up, seven up. I'll just pass them out. Karen's behavior punishes everyone. That's right. That's the law of the land. That would be kind of mean if you sent her an office memo, like, I'd love to bring brownies, but Karen eats all. So I guess we're just going to have it. That would definitely be bad advice. Or you could send an email to everybody but her, like, secret brownie meeting at my desk, 245. Don't tell Big Karen. Or you could do, like, the traffic cams and put a webcam in there, and every time she takes a brownie, take a snapshot and post it on the all-company email. Yeah. Let's see if she kind of gets the point, like, well, how come only Becky had one and

I had seven? Yeah. I knew there was extra. My bunion was twitching. Let's get a secular advice here. Roloff, you want to weigh in on this thing? I'm very fascinated by y'all's advice. I think the question that is begged to be answered is, does everybody get enough brownies, so to speak? I don't know. We don't have an answer to that. I feel like if people were not getting enough brownies, though, I feel like that would have been a strong thing to have said, right? Like, if you're making a case against Karen, you say, like, Lois never gets brownies. I'm thinking of everybody else here, and I'm really concerned with all the people who aren't getting brownies. She's just saying, yeah, I don't like Karen. I don't like Karen. She sits too close to the eats. That's all I'm reading. I think Dan's got some insight there. Dear Missing Your Cookies, try this, secular says. The next time one of you brings a treat to the office, put a sign next to it that reads, one to a customer, please, or tell Miss Piggy, and that's rude, in plain English, that she's taking too much of a good thing.

Here's the thing about secular's advice, right? Like, I could never in real life do any one of these. I could not write a sign that says, one to a customer, please, because that's passive aggressive. I just need to tell Karen, stop eating so many brownies. And second of all, the other one, in plain English, that she's taking too much of a good thing, like, she takes six brownies, I go, Karen, that's too much of a good thing. I mean, that's lame. I say, Karen, no brownies for you at all. Zero. If I see one brownie, I throw the pan at you. We find out what Karen doesn't like, and just bring that. Yeah. Do you like toffee? No, I don't like toffee. Toffee bars. You having a peanut allergy? Actually, I don't like toffee. I understand where Karen's coming from on that thing. Toffee nasty. I mean nasty. It's like looking at the bottom of your silverware drawer, you clean it all out, you get it all organized, and you see little bits of stuff in there. That's how I like it. That is what toffee tastes like.

That's toffee, right? Yeah, I agree. Whatever fell off the silverware. You know, if you say Heath slow enough, it sounds like someone's barfing. Heath. Heath. Anyway. I made Mama proud in the last ten minutes of the bunion and barf thing. That was good. Two B's. Yeah. Let's go, Mike. The screen froze. What? Do more people want advice? Yeah. Yeah. You got to give us your time, though. I was in the prayer room for half an hour. I didn't get to do my show prep. My roll-off was singing. Here we go. That was so captivating, you could not focus on anything else. I'm telling you what. Shaking the walls.

Okay, here we go. Dear Life from the Path. Ting, ting. Iron, jar, jar. Pets going Pentecostal in there when Roloff plays. What is it? He used up three Kleenex boxes. Dear Life from the Path. My husband and I have dear friends who live in another country. They also have a vacation home in a very nice part of the U.S. They have often invited us to use their vacation place while they're away since it stands empty 11 months of the year. I've hesitated in the past because I know we would use utilities and it would be of some expense to them. They are insistent that they will not let us pay for the use. We would love to spend time there. Is there anything we could do to show our appreciation without paying them? Leave some flowers or something. For heaven's sake. They might be a little dried out. I get some dry flowers. You know, some fake ones. I hate these kind of questions. I think hopefully they're just trying to be creative and they're not very creative people. They're like, we want to do something, but what do we do? Well, one of them came up with the genius idea to write Dear Life in the Bath. That's pretty creative.

Hey, we could ask one of our friends. They're creative, guys. Let's write the newspaper. They'll definitely know the situation better than we would. So what would you do? I would just leave a nice note. I would just use it. They're rich people. They said use it for free. I would say thank you. Well, yeah, but you've got to bring a bunch of complicated business in this thing. If I would stay at someone's house and it was a nice place and they were being gracious about their time and stuff, I would probably leave a nice note saying thank you. And maybe if my family was there, take a picture of us before we let it and just leave it. Say thanks for letting us stay at your place. That's what I said. I said say thank you. No. And you scoffed at it. No, I said you wanted to buy a new vacuum for them or something. They're rich. They don't need my vacuum. They don't. Yeah. They want.

Yeah. They need a Roby, though. Those are pretty cool. The ones that roam the house? Yeah, yeah. That's the Roomba. Oh. What's a Roby? A Roby, that's that disc. Oh. Without the middle. Different thing. Isn't that like a power tool? I thought it was a mini robe. That's Ryobi. That's what you guys are laughing at, mini robe? That works. Not everybody loves you, Ben. Sorry, Ben, mini robe one. I'm actually a little concerned that you guys own shorty robes. You know those kind that just go just above the knee. Roll up side. Boy, I love my Roby. I mean, also called the uh-oh. Under the Walgreens name, I hope there's not a breeze.

So I think I would use the house. I probably would be conservative on what I do there. I wouldn't, like, cook there. I'd just make sure we eat out every meal so we don't mess anything up or break any dishes. No, I would certainly eat there. What's wrong with you guys? Your rich friend said, use my lavish house, otherwise it sits empty, and you're afraid you don't even touch it. You're going to rent a Kaibo, too, and put it out in front of the yard so you don't have to use the toilet. There's nothing you can do in the kitchen that's going to be, like, worse than whatever you got going on in the bathroom. No, that's the thing. Like, like, are you avoiding honest generosity because of a social, whatever, like a social hierarchy where you don't want, I mean, if I said, look, I need you, you're more than welcome to stay at my vacation house, do whatever you want. I meant that. That's why I said it. So if you show up there and daint around and barely move a couch cushion, I'm going to be like, why'd you even drive out? That doesn't sound very fun. It'd actually be way worse if you went to a poor guy's house and broke his stove. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, the rich guy's got it to spare.

Yeah, break the rich man's place. He's rich. Roloff, do you have any rich friends? Are you yourself rich? Are you guys part of this Occupy movement here? No comment to you, you're not invited to my beach house. You're going to break my stuff. Can I use it or not? Don't withdraw your generosity from me. I think there's a distinction. This is class warfare. Yeah. It's kind of, I would agree. It's kind of. No, no, no. You're refusing to partake in something. It's like saying someone is gracious and they give you something, or they let you borrow something, and then you refuse to use it because you're so concerned they're going to be upset if you do something wrong with it. What if they put it in the phrase of house sitting? Well, they said, I want you to stay at my house for a week. I've done that. And he said, house sit it. Would you not cook at their place? I guess what I was thinking of, I wouldn't do some messy stuff.

For one thing, if I'm on vacation, I don't want to cook. Okay, Dan, you're not making like a spaghetti owl wall style where you just start whooping stuff. I would have food there and we'd do some stuff, yeah. But we wouldn't like, yeah, I'm not going to cook bacon and have grease splattered all over the walls or something. What if they have like a $15,000 stove that could really cook a bacon? I mean, cook it. I would do it. If they have their cook there for me, too, I'd do it. But I don't want to do it. I don't want to clean. I'm on vacation. I live in an apartment and my stove is lousy. I'm totally covering your place. So we did recently actually house sit for some folks for six months. And now that I think about it, I think we just kind of said thank you in a very pleasant way. Done, right? But we totally did all kinds of stuff in there, man. Yeah. But we lived there for six months, so we cooked and did all kinds of stuff. Yeah, that's a long time. That's a long time, though. Did you skateboard?

No, we did slide down their stairs. Wait a minute, what? They had these long, straight stairs, and we all slid down them. It was quite fun. Why is this a long time a better caveat? Like, isn't three weeks the same as six months when it comes to, like, using their stuff? Well, three weeks. Is that how long? I thought it was like a week. Well, even if it's a week. A few days. Like, you can do the same amount of stuff you can do in a week as you could do in six months. It's just you're going to repeat it. Right. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, so I think I agree with you guys. I think the level of thank you is being blown out of proportion or the need to make a big deal out of it. I think a note is nice. I think flowers would be cool. Like, you know, if you're into that kind of thing, you know, a little bouquet when they came, but… I would probably maybe set up a YouTube channel and sing them a few songs. I like that.

It's very modern. Tell them that they could just at any time they want. I call the song, The Ruby. Do not watch Before Midnight. Uh-oh, doorbells ringing. But I'm still singing in my ruby. Okay. Secular's advice would be… Whoop. Uh, yes. After spending time in their vacation home, man, write a letter thanking them and describing the experience. Consider sending them an album of photographs you took during your vacation. I think the album was excessive. Oh, yeah. Bust out the camera and take a picture of you, like, having fun in their place. In your ruby. This is what I look like in your clothes. Then it gets creepy. This is me wearing your wig. This is what the TV repairman showed up in when we broke your television. Leaderhosen aren't specific to gender, right? It says, or buy a gift for their vacation home. That's a poor idea. What if you have bad taste?

There's a reason you're not rich, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I wouldn't do that. You have a poor man's life. People would feel obligated to put your ugly thing up somewhere when they really didn't like it. It's like a kid bringing something home from, like, fifth grade art class. And fifth grade's tough, because, like, they're old enough to know that something's junk, but they still like their parents' affection, so they're bringing all kinds of crap in there. Yeah, do you remember when we were in third grade, they let us make an ashtray? Yeah. Like, that seems terrible. Hey, teach. I want to make an ashtray. I remember doing that. Squat of clay. Sure. You know, like, couldn't they have said, look, make a bowl or a cup or something? It just feels like they shouldn't be able to let you do an ashtray, you know? It wasn't even functional. It was lopsided. I don't know. Actually, anything's an ashtray. Right? I mean, if your parents were desperate, they could just use your bowl. Or they could go outside. Gross.

Anyway. All right. You're listening to Life in the Path. Oh, Roloff, you got one more? I do. Okay. It's not called ashtrays. It is. This song means a lot to me about an ashtray. ChrisLynestone Roloff is here on Life in the Path. You can catch him on Facebook. Look for Clean Hands. You can see him on the radio. Yeah, so you're on, where can people check out the show where you are broadcasting? It's View from the Pew. It's on every day, three to five? Three to four. Three to four. For one hour. People can only take so much to Chris Roloff. I feel like it needs two hours. Yeah. Yeah, but that's the idea. If we do it in one hour and they want more, then they'll come back tomorrow. We don't get the privilege of doing it once a week.

We have to do it every day. Seems like when I've been on it, it felt like two hours. Yes. That's why I haven't been back. Yeah, right. Exactly. We didn't have Mac that day. She's going. It was just a little draggy. But you had quite the announcement, Dan, on the last time you were on. Yeah, I got to use a friend's vacation house. It's really awesome. I feel like we don't need to be here, Ben. So, Dan, what are you doing? Let's talk privately. And publicly. It's the same. All right, what do you got for us? This song is called Does Jesus Care. Wait, is this a Chris Roloff original? It's like a cliffhanger. No, this is a hymn. And this particular hymn is often sung by gospel groups. And this is not God's song. Okay.

This is the old, does Jesus care. I can't remember how that goes. Okay. It is that song. I wish Dan had stayed in there, you know. Stuff like that. I just, I don't know, makes my tongue like sandpaper. So, this is, I've got bad PR, but this is the first, this is the first hymn that I rewrote. And the reason that I rewrote this hymn is because my great-grandmother, when she died, this was the song she had written in a hymnal. She said, I want this song at my funeral. Oh, wow. I'd never heard the song before. And the original version, the way that this organist did it, just was all fast and just kind of getting through it. And it just sucked. I mean, this was her song. At the funeral? At the funeral. It sucked. And I was like, I am mad at that. I'm mad at that song. Because the lyrics are great. And I just thought it didn't, it didn't, and I said, I said that day, I said, I'm going to fix that song. You can ask my wife. I drove away from the funeral, and I said, I'm going to fix that song. And that was a pretty bold statement, right?

Because I'm not like it. I like it. A year shall not pass before I have repaired this. I like the two statements. I am mad at that. And I'm going to fix it. I'm going to fix it. I'm going to fix that. And I'm going to fix it. So, we'll see. I guess he doesn't care. Does he? That silence wouldn't have been as funny to me, but I've been trying to work in a joke. He said, rewrote this hymn. And I thought, and I was going to claim that that's the modern phrasing of a transgender operation. But I couldn't find a good place to say it. I don't think there is one. I'm glad you went ahead and did that. He was getting ready to play, and there was a pause. I'm like, you could just say it right here. Transgender, rewrote this hymn, do it. And then I let it go. And then he coughed, and I thought, oh, I missed it. That was the time. That was the moment.

Okay, go ahead. All right. This is Jesus. This is the problem with doing it off the coffee. We'll do it differently. I like the way you fixed it. Do you want me to warm up? No, no. This is good. Let's start. Jesus care when my ways start With nameless dreaded fear As daylight fades into deep nightshades Does he care enough to be near? Jesus care when I've tried and failed To resist some temptation strong When for my deep grief I find no relief Though my tears flow all night long He cares And his heart is touched with my grief And when my Savior cares Jesus care when I said good And I said till it is it ought to him Does he see in his heart

Okay, when I was at my first church We used to sing this old hymn all the time. This is one of the songs they liked. So I remember this I remember this vividly And the way you've redone it Speaks to me way more than the hymn ever did Because you know It was a different flavor And that's kind of cool I like it I agree Cool, thanks Dan That's what I thought it had I was really I know this sounds really Sounds arrogant But in all seriousness I want to give glory 100% to God But no, no I really This was the first time I'd done this And I was literally blown away It was

Cathartic is the right word I mean I used to sing this And people can attest to this This is my My great grandmother died Several A long time ago And I've just You know I've sung this hundreds of times And just lost it And it was cathartic Playing it over and over again I was like just thanking God That he gave me a song That I thought Wow, man This is just This is exactly how I would say these words And I think it's Anyway So if people dig it That's cool But thanks Dan Well, because the words

They're so real I mean they're so It is someone who has experienced pain That's probably why that congregation Most of them are in their 60s and 70s They've lived a bunch of life And so it spoke to them very deeply I was, you know, 20 So my idea of pain was You know I don't know I'm kind of bored tonight You know Right I got nothing to do And I'm out of cash And so maybe it could be You know Just as well I've aged 25 years And there's been pain But I just used the words And I thought you did a good job But the music It just flowed pretty well

So Yeah Thanks I've really wanted And it's a secret ambition I really want Someone of some serious caliber To do You know To take at least that template Of a song And do it Because I think Because the words are real They're simple They're timeless They're easy to relate to Anyway When was this one Oh 1901 Yeah this one The lyrics to this one Aren't as old Yeah Well that's pretty old

That's pretty old man Oh sure I'm sorry That's before the Titanic Titanic Titanic Wait is there a T in there Titanic No I wasn't around When the Titanic sunk So I Titanic sounds like A brand of undies I've got Titanic On right now I wonder if they When did they play that On the Titanic Because it was going down Does Jesus care I hope not that way That sounds pretty abrupt Jesus doesn't care Come on

You're going down And when you're trying To start a comedic dialogue With the Titanic That's a tough landscape To paint a picture of I gave you guys a soft one Thanks for going with it I thought this Those foos boys Would totally buy it On this one I didn't know You were a cathartic I thought you were Presbyterian Heyo Heyo Heyo Alright You're listening to Live from the Path Big thanks to Chris For joining us In the studio tonight

Be willing to take a It's tough to step in here To be honest with you It's a late night We're rowdy Sometimes rude We love Jesus But that's the only Redeeming quality In this room And so It took a lot for Chris To come on Thank you very much Always welcome Thanks man Thanks for coming in Thanks for being here I got a picture of him I'm going to post it On the Facebook Nice He looks contemplative Yes He's also likely cathartic

I can tell I can smell one He's reformed When they come here He's a reformed A reformed cathartic He saw the way The catharticism was going And he said We gotta change things They're finally letting Bread with yeast And guitars In our cathartic Alright so Next week We're going to put a show on I can't tell you What's going on in there It'll be second week We'll be broadcasting For the prayer room We'll be a weekend We'll see how it goes I will spend some time

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