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And you're listening to Live From The Path. Tony from The Pathway studio. Johnson Proper. Dave, don't I don't I don't mean to say this in in a very Lord knows that I hope this isn't prophetic, but you look like you're gonna be murdered, because your face is glowing. What's glowing like an angel? I'm just I'm just throwing it out there.

Yeah. Terrifying. I know. I get that a lot. Here's the here's the thing is, like, biblically, sometimes it's pretty cool, like, people with glow like Moses, you know, gets to walk behind God and and he meets him in the tent. He's glowing. Right? But, like, it really seems that in the New Testament, things really shift. And if you see a glowing man, he's got something's going on. He's got you gotta run. Yeah. He's he's on the out. He's not long for this world. And I don't wanna say bad things are happening because I think it's a positive deal in the long run. I'm just saying a glowing man is if, you know, if he tries to grab your arm, just know where you're heading. Yeah. He's the holy grenade marker. You gotta be careful. Alright. You're listening to Life From The Path. Here we got going on the show tonight. Mike's got advice on Dear Life From The Path. I I've been snooping around at our we're gonna talk about the pope. Yeah. And I to be honest with I'm not even sure what we're gonna talk about with the pope, to be honest with you. Be honest be honest. So

he just rolled around my mind. I the I don't think social media and, frankly, regular media does not know how handle the pope, and I dig that about him. Yeah. I he he seems to be able to really hose off a a wide swath of people, but also make happy and, and and elevate a wide swath of people. He's a very interesting character. And so, I I don't know. I just I'm interested to see, you know, like, if you guys had to, give me, not a not a pie chart necessarily, but, like, lay me the landscape of your Facebook feed of people's reaction to the pope. I I'm interested for some for some quick digestion of what that is. So I'm be thinking of that. I'm gonna ask you, and, and we'll we'll hit that up. Also, saw doggone it. I had a a few articles that I read into. Oh, there was one guy who one of the questions was,

for what we believe as Christians, is it reasonable to think that in the near near future, we could be committed to an insane asylum? And recent and research points to yes. So we're gonna talk about that. The likelihood of Christians being put into an insane asylum for core beliefs of Christianity.

And there there's a current research out there that says, yes, there is. Also, they found streams of water. Like like like, pretty good proof that there's streams of water on Mars. And it brings up the perennial question, which is I don't know. How are supposed to digest the possibility of life on another planet? Hey. Yeah. God put her there. God put streams of water on Mars. That's what I thought when I heard the news. They're like, hey. There's streams of water on Mars. And I thought, well, sweet placement, Lord. We finally found

I like I like that god has set out what is equivalent to a cosmic treasure hunt. Yeah. I mean, here's the deal. I mean, terrestrial bingo. I can't can't just imagine your old man sitting in the living room and you come rolling in there all excited and you're like, dad, dad, I found the car in the driveway. What is his reaction? You know, it's always been there. I've always seen it there, son. It's been there for a while. You've just now found it. And I I I kinda feel like the same reaction is coming. Like, we found this thing. We think we're gonna make something great and huge out of it. We didn't put it there in the first place. We have no control over it. We saw it from afar. We're not gonna get there for another seventy years anyway. It's just an odd thing to get all all hooked up. Yeah. But there might be an amoeba there, Mike. Well, there might be there's an amoeba. Well, I mean, I suppose there could be an amoeba. Here's here's what's gonna be a thing. Where's going in a hundred years from now, and NASA's gonna come out with a big deal, they'll be like, hey, proof of amoeba found on Mars.

And that that's how that's how information is gonna slowly drip from Mars until Buva lives there. Here's what we want we want to know is is is can we put a dome there and live there? That's what we want to know. They keep showing up with these side questions. What we want to know is, can we live there or can't we? Yes. Working on that. The answer is yes. So Hey. I wanna live there. Like right now, we can live there? We could just move. Remember, they're saying that we talked about that story. They're saying but they're saying remember that woman's going, and she's leaving her family behind. No. They're just going to visit. No. There's no visit. It's a suicide mission. It's a one way trip. You don't make it back. One way trip because of the distance. They can't get there and back. Right. What's the it's not because they're setting up prosperity there. Right. Well, that's not the same thing, is it? It's you know, you know I find interesting about about research like that is is it is very people centric. Like, it's there's a bit of blindness that says, hey, if there's running water there, life may be able to be there. And what what we're really saying is like what Mike said, like, can we live there? Because, I mean, is it not within the realm of possibility that there are alternative beings of which do not need running water or oxygen in our accord or or like in fact, most space movies are based upon the thought process that they live off something else. Mhmm.

What's that? If I may I mean, maybe maybe there's aliens or whatever. But if, say, God, you know, he loves the human race. He, you know, sent Jesus to us. But doesn't that mean I don't know. Does he not love the aliens? Maybe he said did he send alien Jesus to the aliens? Hey,

man. Alien Jesus sounds like an awesome new TV show. Here's what you should consider is that we will arrive on Mars to find a bunch of naked people and a tree that still stands. And they'll say, hey, this place is great. Yeah. We never ate from the tree. Everybody seems alright. That's the ultimate universe where Adam and Eve were like, yeah, man. Satan, we're supposed to stay away from that tree. So Yeah. It sounds like we're gonna stay away from that tree. Oh, man. That's a good point. Somebody else got it right. According to the multi universe theory, every choice leads in one of two directions and creates different universes. So Herrick's a Gummer a different universe. Somewhere out there, according to the theory, there was an Adam and Eve who did who chose not to eat from the tree. I think God sits up there and says, why aren't you guys more like Mars, Adam and Eve? Are you kidding me? Oh, man. I didn't think of that. That's they that hey. All the all the cooler stuff to do upon Christ's return. We've got the really small bucket of things that we're like, this is what I'm gonna do in heaven. And I feel like it's a much bigger bigger opportunity than what we've really thought of. Although, hey. You know what I thought of last week? Here's what here's what I thought. As I thought, at that the return of Christ,

the earth will be restored and kind of all these things, like, we'll still be able to do some of the the things that he's created that are beautiful and lovely. But but certain things won't just won't be around anymore. And I think the medical profession is one of them. So, like because there won't be any sick people to heal. And so if you want to do medicine, you you really need to get that in now. Like, I could be a gardener both here and at Christ Return, but I feel like I will not be a medical doctor at Christ Return. Eric, how's Ben have it wrong here? I I I think it'll just change. It'll no longer be about the treatment of disease. I think it'll be about the main maintenance of health. It's a dog and pony show. You know what? You're well. Next.

No. Alright. It looks Just wanted to hear how good I'm doing. You're doing great. Okay. Well, at least won't be the same experience. Yeah. No. What about an HMO HR director? Probably not. Right? Yeah. Those will go away. I'm just I'm just saying, like, if you wanna use the if you wanna be part of the full swath of human experience, I would consider doing now the things that will not be available at Christ Return. Like, I'm criminal. Let's just say I was gonna say, I think there's a couple of things we probably shouldn't be trying to do while we're here. Okay. A hundred years ago, they used to deliver mail on pony back. I mean, they don't do that. But I could going across the country. Here's the deal. I could do that. Yes. And I like in for for funsies, but like, it would be real awkward to be like, hey, hey, I know the Christ has returned and everything is restored, but can I take your tonsils out? Like, feel like that's weird.

Yeah. Until Jesus shows up and goes, this is what these are for, you idiots. Hey, Jesus. Can I take that guy's appendix? No. Leave him alone. Hey. Yeah. Yeah. That's the height of human pride is to say, God created something and we pull it out of the body and say, man, it doesn't really do anything. This is useless.

Leftover from when the Lord made mistakes. Yeah. Yeah. The here's here's what we're gonna find out is that, the the the appendix or the gallbladder are the are the the cure the inherent cure to diarrhea. Like if you would That'll be a shocker to me. Yeah. That's my guess.

That's gonna be Ben's first question. Jesus comes back, Ben walks up. Hey, Jesus. Alright. Something's been killing me. You know that whole appendix thing? You know how we say it's useless Does it do? At the neck gallbladder. Seriously? Does it does it take care of that situation? Jesus is like, yes, Ben. It does. He goes, yes. I still have both and I jeez. You know, I was thinking that they were having that lunar eclipse the other day is is a bunch of people You can describe it they were having one. Like like, someone's putting it on.

Here's here's why they were having it. I went out to look at it. I had to give two rips about it, you know. I mean, I went to go out to see it just like everybody else, and the kids are all excited about it. I'm like, man, I mean, I can't understand the gist of it. It's gonna turn a slight color red. I have a TV, you know, like I mean, people people in the movies did a way better job of this. But, like, the Facebook was blowing up with, like, this end time stuff and I thought, you know, here's the thing about about end times. Either either you have an extremely unimaginative crappy god who introduces himself with a slowly turning red moon.

He goes way quicker. Or you're you're paranoid. You know? Like like if you really thought the lord that, like, when especially if if you're a Christ follower. Right? If you read the book of of Revelation, let's say you don't get the entire story, but you you've picked out the parts you love and you think, yeah, the lord's gonna come back and it's gonna be a scene. And really, by your definition, a scene is forty five minutes of a moon turning a slightly different color. I think you really underestimate the power of the God that you claim to serve. Yeah. Yeah. We've set that we've set up the return of Jesus like it's a 1987 Tony Award winner. Yeah. Like, it's real theatrical, but, you know, I I feel like if the if the Bible's clear on nothing else, it's that you will know. Like, it's not like you're gonna have to to anticipate or think, oh, maybe this is it. I feel like you were gonna know when the lord of the universe returns to the earth. And it's not like, oh, it's halfway through the moon being covered up and the dust particles and business. Maybe it's really happening. Yeah. I kinda think everything else that happens is gonna be a response to him instead of, you know, the the prelude to him showing up. Yeah. It'll be he shows up and then everything else gets turned upside down. Not the other way around. Right. Jesus, you're on in ten. Send out the moon. Yeah. You

know what? Let them know you're coming. It's a regular thing, you know, like every something years, you look up. Make it appear regular, but then I'll sneak in like a thief in the night. That'll really get a rolling. Yeah. Give me the old onesie twosie. That's what you do. Better wait for that moon. Yeah. Alright. So anyway, can Christians be committed? Can we live on Mars? There there was an interesting speaking of the pope, there was an article in the called is America post Christian? And for some reason, they've chosen a picture of the pope with his with his hands in his head. Hold on. Let me see if I can get you a shot of this thing. There he is. You guys catch him? Oh, yes. Oh, no. He said, hey. Here's the deal. He's praying. He's We lost. He's

everyone looks disappointed when they're praying. Right? Like, everyone's got their kind of head down, their their hands near their eyes. It's like everyone got bad news. The bears lost again. So, so anyway, but the the article was is America Post Christian, and it was it was kind of funny. Actually, here, I'll do this one real quick because I

I I think I had a different reaction to this article than the guy that was, intending it to be, but here's here's what it says. It says, Ross, Duthat is being all non Eeyore ish about Pope Francis' visit and what that might say about Christianity in the West. And here's a quick excerpt from it. He writes, in a truly post Christian society, would so many people find an imitatio Christi thrilling and fascinating and inspiring? Did I say that right? Is it imitatio? It doesn't matter. I'm not sure what you're saying, Ben. It's I m I t a t I o, Christi.

Imitation of Christ? I don't know. Well, so many It's Amadeo. Is it? No. Yeah. Like, if you saw a a little baby Mario. It's Amadeo. Can we take away his microphone? Would so many people be moved on a deep level by an image like this one? Wouldn't a truly post Christian society of that sort, of that certain twentieth century totalitarians

aspired to build be repulsed instead by images of weakness and deformity? And then further, in a fully secularized society, with so many people who have drifted from the practice of religion, I have many of my fellow journalists, particularly in mind, care so much whether an antique religious organization and its aged celibate leader are in touch with their experiences. So he's basically making the case that for all this all this business that the church is saying that we are in a post Christian society, look at people's reaction to the pope, and maybe we should understand this differently. And then so that was his quote from from Ross Duthat. And then he continued, the author of the article says, oh, I I don't know. I doubt it. I wish it were so, but I just can't see it. Believe me, I'm quite pleased to see so much excitement among my Catholic friends, and I've been among them this week at Villanova over Francis's visit. Even pals who are not theologically inclined to be Francis fans are feeling great this week. As regular readers know, I am much more of a Benedict sixteenth man, but Francis sometimes says things that challenge me in a good way. That said, I'm not convinced that public enthusiasm for Pope Francis is a sign that we are not yet post Christian. Let me explain why. So so I don't First of all, any gut reactions to to either of those positions? Yeah. I I'm not a big fan of him since he's Benedict the sixteenth fan. The the guy was bad news.

Herrick says Benedict sixteenth bad news anyway. Yeah. Alright, then. Hey. For us non Catholics, can you tell me why? He he's the guy who stepped down. Yeah. K. Still not helping much. Yeah. Why is that such a big deal? He he's basically trying to turn the Catholic world into some really weird

I'm trying to think how to describe it. He he's basically driving the bus in the wrong direction, and he realized it. And

He realized it and bailed on his own? Yeah. He I mean, the only way to get rid of a pope is either he dies or he steps down, and he chose to step down, which I give him props for that. But, yeah, he was driving the bus in very much the wrong direction. Eric says wrong direction. And he realized it but didn't fix it? Right. He just stepped down. Yeah. Yeah. I don't like this guy either. Like everything in him was pointing towards one direction. He knew that was the way that he would be driving the bus and realized this probably isn't the right thing to do. And so he he pulled stops on it. And he's very much a a Roman Catholic insider and

trying to reverse time effectively in terms of Catholic culture, trying to bring things back socially to the eighteen hundreds or even earlier. And he was yeah. It it was just a very difficult and very awkward thing for the Catholic church if they had followed his leadership. When when was that? What's that? When was here his era? This was between John Paul the second and Yeah. That means nothing to me. I don't I'm not Catholic. And Francis, like, just Just the nineteen hundreds? No. No. It's like three years Yeah. From three years ago to Well, that guy, I Is this the the last guy who who stepped in? Yes. Yeah. There you go. I didn't know that was, like, fifteenth century. No. Was thinking this was something, like, 400 ago. I'm not gonna No. No. No. This was just we're talking the past two decades. I need to read more. I know. Right? Hey, man. Can you guys do a class on this? It's like, got nothing on the the Facebook thing because I'm like, I skipped everything. I don't care. I don't care what the pope did. He's he's a diehard fundamentalist. He's, like,

he he rubs me the wrong way in every in every way that I can imagine. He's all about policy, and there's nothing about him that reminds me of Jesus. And part of that's because I just don't know the guy well enough. But

from the way that he led the church, it just it really made it very difficult for me to enjoy Catholics. Eric's not a fan. But on the other hand, then there's

there's this new pope, and everything about him reminds me of Jesus. I mean, even the way he handles media, the way that he blows off politicians to go have a meal with the homeless, I mean, everything about this guy reminds me of Jesus. And that's why he's getting such a very diverse response. People who

you know, they've got their agenda set up, who would probably have problems with Jesus, kinda have problems with this pope. So here's here's why I have a hard time with him because, like, I agree with you. I I I really like the guy. Right? But but I can't understand I can't get past the fact that he's part of a hierarchy that I just don't I don't see as necessary at all. And to be fair, he kinda treats it the same way. And he he doesn't

really live in in that kind of position. He doesn't take on the mantle of of all the pomp and circumstance and and things like that. Instead, he leads more by example and not by based on position and authority. Instead, it's just, hey. Here's here's how we should all be following Christ.

And he doesn't get into that hierarchy type stuff. He really ignores a lot of the the Roman Catholic political machine and says, nuts to that, that there's nothing Jesus about that. Instead, we need to just be following Jesus very simply. And

I think the more you you see how he is in terms of, as a pope compared to a lot of the other popes, you're gonna find a lot of Jesus in him. So so so, I mean, this is a thing that that scares me, and it may just show my immaturity as a Christ follower. Right? But I'm afraid to like the guy because he's part of a a hierarchy system that I think is unnecessary, not set up by Christ. I I'm the same way. I mean, I I I don't come from a Catholic background, and there's nothing about it that I feel compelled to join the Roman Catholic church about. But I can still

like and support someone who, frankly smells like Jesus. Yeah. And say, hey. What you're doing, I like what you're doing. I wanna see more of it. I'd like other people to follow that. And what's great is, you know, with the size of the Roman Catholic church, he's already got a lot of followers. But what he's doing is he's pointing towards Jesus. He's not just say, hey, come follow me. It's let's go follow Jesus. Yeah. But Dan puts him in the I don't care category. Dan?

Yeah. I really I I just I've never been a big pope guy. I mean, I just so I I I don't have enough information. I I don't study them. I don't read about them. I don't I don't if I see an article, I skip it. It's just it's not relevant to me. Well, that's not just that yeah. That's not just a casual. It doesn't affect me any. That's that's purposely ignoring. Yeah. Yeah. It it it has nothing to do with my world. Mhmm. That I live in. I don't personally. I don't don't get that. Like, he's a he's a. I'm not saying we're not like on the same. No, yeah, but yeah, but what I'm Jesus saying or anything. Was like just saying it's it's a He's by any reasonable measure the most influential,

or potentially influential of Christ followers. Like, of of all the stuff that you would read in a given day, I feel like information about him seems like it does have a dose of relevance to your life. Right? Like, otherwise, how many how many articles do you read about, about some other evangelical somewhere talking about some of don't read any of them. I I I I I'm kinda doing my own thing. Read, you know, I I just don't. He's the Billy Graham of, the last five years. I I've never yeah. I never really followed Billy Graham. I mean And that's the thing is you don't need an intercessor to get to Jesus. Yeah. Yeah. I I have Jesus. I've got the holy spirit living in me. Yeah. And that's that's what's cool is you don't need need a Tim Tebow. You don't need a Yeah. It's not like I don't like Billy Graham or anything. I'm not, like, against. I just I just okay. All

you really need is just one person to lead you to Jesus and then just start following Jesus from there and on. So in as much as I'm a fan of the pope and I like what he does and support his ministry, I don't need him to be my intercessor to Jesus. No. No. And I don't think that's my question. I'm just I'm having trouble buying that you don't read anything written by anybody that loves Jesus. Well, I'm not buying that one. Yeah. That's probably an extreme article post all the time with people's stuff written by about other people. I mean, I will listen to someone who's teaching scripture or something. I will listen to that. But I don't like I I'll flip through channels and there's all kinds of pope stuff on. I didn't stop on any of it. I I just didn't care what he was saying or what he was doing or where he was visiting. I didn't care where he stopped for a sandwich. I mean, I just I just didn't care, you know. You know, the reason I like the guy is because he's good at everything that I suck at. Right? Like, I will hide in the Bible and that man will hit the streets with the Bible in his hand talking to folks about Jesus. Right? Everything that I will bury myself in, he he he does outright. That's why I like the guy. He's good at everything that I suck at. And I appreciate that about him. And and, you know, I'll tell you this. The the the the thing that I that I think where I became uncomfortable with some of the conversation that I saw around him, like, I I I'm obviously in the same bucket. I'm not a Catholic for a reason. I there's that hierarchy. I actually it's it's not even just, oh, I don't think it's right. I actually think it's a problem. I think it's a it introduces a misunderstanding of our relationship with God. And and frankly, the basis for scripture is iffy. So

but but beyond that, from an American political perspective, the things that I saw people disagreeing with the Pope on was was way more defense of the American way of life than it was a biblical understanding of kingdom. And that that were some of the things that I was that I'm disappointed in that from a Christian discussion perspective is the things that we that people were upset about, where otherwise might have have some agreement with him on on ideological lines.

It was almost all the arguments pointed back to the the status of America, the the founding principles, the our economic system, all these things that that weren't what were the where it seems like the discussions were, sociological

people, oriented discussions, faith oriented discussions from from the pope side. What I saw a lot a lot was

political posturing on the other side of it. And, like, I was actually pretty disappointed that and I'll give you an example of of where well, I don't I'll give you what I think is a good example of of where this lands, and it has to do with universal health care. So, like, the the truth is, take away how it's provided. Do I have a desire that everybody

have the ability have access to to health care so so that they can be treated when they are sick and be be made well when they're not right? Yes. I have no reason, absolutely no reason on earth to not want that for everybody. Whether I agree that the government is the right group to do that either efficiently or well

is a completely reasonable discussion. But the thought process that says, you know, it's just not something we we are concerned about as Christians that people can be cared for when they're not well. Like, I think that's that's a ludicrous discussion. It's a ludicrous discussion. But, like, I'm not seeing it. I'm not seeing enough of discussion that says, hey, man. We want the same thing, but turning it over to the government isn't the answer. I can listen to that. I can listen to that discussion. What what what I found though was people that I'm supposed to be trusting to run our country hinged on defending capitalism to me and not not starting from a premise that says, hey, actually, I care about this too.

I really do care about this. And, like, it it was there was there was a number of things like that, like that type of discussion that I thought, we gotta be real careful when you're gonna pick a fight with Jesus. Right? Like, like, are you arguing about how America works, or are you arguing about things that Jesus cared about? And the pope was not Jesus. I get that. Right? But, like, the foundation of the things that we're talking about, you have to be very careful about what you're willing to go to, like, die on a hill for. And if it's our our our our method or our way of of making money or or the way that our economy works in blindness to how that impacts the people that Jesus seemed to care an awful lot about. And I frankly, I think that we're called to. I think we gotta be real careful about the size of the mega megaphone that we use to have that conversation in such a blind manner. Mhmm. And so that that would be the thing that we're agree with him, disagree with him. I I don't know that I really care. And frankly, there's there's problem. When you when you give speeches, you don't have to deal necessarily with people asking you a bunch of questions. There are implications

to doing some of these altruistic things. There are implications to how people live, like, the people on the other side of the issue live to otherwise solve problems in the way that the pope talks about. But we we can't act like it's an outrageous

mandate because I think to a certain extent, it's a that they're biblical mandates. And I think what there's just there's some blindness now we're talking about some stuff like that. That that that was if I have a disappointment in how people that otherwise would ideologically agree with interact with the pope, it would be that. Because our first reaction was, hey, he shouldn't be talking about climate change. I I don't care. I don't you know, like, that's not a besides being good stewards of the earth, that's not a tremendous biblical issue for me. I'm not sure the science is settled. Think you can have a reasonable debate on that. But, like, when we're talking about, I care more about preserving our way of life of which I make money than I care about

how someone is otherwise taken care of or our society has figured out a way to provide for folks that need it, then I think there's just an element of blindness there. And I'm not even advocating that that the the thought of a universal health care provided to the government is the right answer. I'm just saying that's the right question. And I'm I'm I feel like we're, to a certain extent, ignoring things like that on ideological,

political grounds as opposed to saying, yes. We're asking the right question. I just think we can solve it better. And what's sad is I I think Jesus I mean, he really got involved in all of those things. I mean, he by his example, you could see he was getting involved in health care as he was going around Palestine. Even though that wasn't exactly the center point of his mission and mandate, he would get involved in these things. He he cared about it as though he was the lord of all. Yeah. And so he seemed to have a stake in everything that he was getting involved in. It didn't mean that everything was his priority. I mean, some of the things, like, revealing that he was the Messiah, he said, no. We we need to put that on the back burner. But, you know, he

everything belongs to God. And so he was wanting to look at how can we glorify God with everything that happens, every policy. And realistically, when it comes to health care, I don't know if the government can do it, or I don't know if the churches can do it. They're awfully disorganized at the moment. So Yeah. They don't seem like they can quite cover the scale. I'd love it if they could, but, maybe someday,

you know, both are providing competing free health care systems and let the populace decide between going to the free church based clinics and the government based clinics. And Tends to be where where the church is doing really a good job at health care is is overseas in different mission. Mhmm. You know, that that's where it's happening. Yeah. And over here, you go you spend a big money going to a a hospital that might have the name of a church on it. Mercy, you know, whatever.

So I don't I don't know what transitioned. You know, that's something I have not researched. You know, I think in the beginning a lot of them were outreach centered, weren't they? Mean, know, and and then somewhere along the line, I don't know, maybe the government came in and told them, you know, but I don't know. But so we know we can do it. We have done it. We're doing it now in other places. Right. It's how do you do it here,

you know, and and meet the standards that the government's put on us. Yeah. Yeah. And and and that that is the right discussion. Right? Yeah. Like, it's something let's get on board that that, I care about that. I very much care about that, and let's find the right way to solve it as opposed to, because it hasn't been something our party platform has traditionally been for that we're all hot and bothered about the pope because he he brought it up as if it matters that people get care. Like, that's dumb. That's a dumb thing. And that's and that's where we've misprioritized what kingdom we're actually in. Mhmm. And I think that's where we have to be careful. And and and to a certain extent, that's that's one of the reasons I like

I I I'm interested in the types of things that the pope is that the pope is talking about, because it actually becomes a little bit revealing. Right? Like, you you find out what people really care about, because they're pressed by there there is not a legitimate world he's like the the only world leader. Like, the guy that's literally responsible for the whole world. I mean, not I mean, you don't you understand what saying. It's not not obviously everybody. Right? But, like, everyone's fighting for their own little enclaves of stuff. And, like, he legitimate could go anywhere in the world in any country and have some level of responsibility as far as he's concerned for people in that country. Mhmm. And so, like, he he bears a potential influence that that no one really has. And so I think it has an impact on our world, but it's interesting to see what people really care about, what they prioritize in light of the things that he talks about. Primarily looking at things that we care about from our political system versus things that he's talking about that are people oriented, of which he doesn't have a responsibility to do necessarily, but he but he gets to start that have that conversation and then watch people have to react to it. So I I think the disappointing responses seem to be coming from just the issue of is Jesus part of your life, or is he lord of your life? If he's part of your life, then there's also room to be American and and all those different types of identities.

But if he's lord of your life, then that means that any any, allegiance that you have to America has to be filtered through the fact that he is lord first and foremost. And all those other great American values that you have have to be understood through him. Otherwise, they need to be chucked. And if they're not, if Jesus is just part of that crowd of your life, then, yeah, you could disagree with the pope because he's maybe advocating something that's not so capitalistic that you might like. It it does seem kinda odd though that, like, we we try our best in America to celebrate

and point people through our what we think to be a God ordained democracy. Mhmm. When we're actually if we're pointing him towards Jesus, you're heading towards a benevolent dictatorship. Yeah. Like, that's where we're going. That's what the kingdom that we're pointing you to. But we we only choose to celebrate it through our capitalistic democratic society. And if you can't get on board with that, you're out, you know, and we are very upset at you. And it it does seem kind of I don't It's an odd conversation to have. Right? Yeah. So it's and and maybe that rounds out. So, Mike, what what has been what's been the tenor of your Facebook feed when it comes to the pope? I I've gotten some I've gotten quite a few he's a false prophet

and sent sent directly by the devil to corrupt things. I I not not very many I don't I'm not friends with a whole lot of Catholics, so I don't get a lot of attaboys for the pope. Yeah. But but, you know, I saw a couple of articles people were posting on Facebook about how he's revitalizing the Catholic church. And then an article right next to it was like, Christianity is in the tanker. It's not doing very well. I thought that was kind of funny that, like, the Christian church is finally on fire because everybody loves his pope. But then it turns out that no one is even part of the Christian faith anymore according to the feed right next to it. And so but I do I I get a lot of the false prophet stuff. Like, he's just the worst of the worst and everybody hates him and and, you know, he's disrupting everything, which I found to be unbiased. Yeah. Yeah. No doubt.

No doubt. Weird. People in the yeah. Yeah. You know, if all of these crowds that were jumping up and down and screaming and all the news media, they were all excited about his his his visit, We're motivated to follow Christ at a higher level. I'd be his biggest fan. So I think isn't a him thing. I'm just saying to this position. So I actually think you're you're that we missed I think he I think it's doing that. I actually think that that he's having that that impact on people. We will see. I doubt it. I think at the You would never know that. Religion. You would never know that. You don't read articles about it. Oh, no. I I just know things. If

he would do this, and I would never know, so he will never do it. I mean, you know, I was I've told you this before. I was I worked at Burger King when the last time a pope came to to Iowa. Yep. And I was a teenager in the seventies, and and people were walking from Merle Hay Mall to how far is it out to to Living History Of Arms? I mean, they were walking miles. They're walking past my Burger King and coming in to get a snack.

And and I mean, the point is there were thousands and thousands and thousands of people. There there was no impact in in Des Moines. He left and was like people were like, oh, that was a cool. And then they went back to their I worked for the guy who was excited because he was Catholic and and all went to Catholic school and everything. Yep. And and it had no impact on his life other than it was really exciting. A celebrity came, and that was really cool. And for a week, were all done. Yeah. But you're showing up at your church service, they don't love Jesus when they leave, and then they're like, Dan is ineffective. He doesn't love Jesus at all. He is of no effect to anybody. That's not a fair comparison. You're kinda missing him for the crowd, I think. Yeah. Is that you're you're, yeah. He he's a celebrity, so he's gonna attract crowds no matter where he goes. And those crowds are gonna come there, and they're gonna swoon because they're in the presence of celebrity,

and they're gonna go home, and their life is exactly the same as it was before. I'm about I'm about, like, people I worked with who this guy's a devout Catholic who who tied to the church and gave his to have his kids in Catholic school and went every single Sunday, blah blah blah blah blah. Right. There's the deal. The exact perfect example of a of a fan who would be there and recognize this guy's a celebrity. And, yeah, you're right. Didn't respond to it. Isn't that isn't that the exact situation Jesus was in? Right? Before he like, he said offensive things and everyone went away? Yeah. So I mean, so you you always run the same risk. Right? That, like, you're saying things that other the mix of things that you were saying attracts people to you and then at turn pushes them back away because they don't really wanna invest in it. And then what's left is the people is a much smaller group that actually responds. Right. I mean, it's kinda like, you know, the day after nine eleven, you had congress out singing God Bless America on the steps of the capital and and half of them were pagans, you know, or more. You know, it that didn't last. You know? Right. It was an emotional woo hoo. Yeah. I mean, that's true that's true for I mean, that's true in your local church. Yeah. Right? So so Sure. Yeah. That happens everywhere. It's just it's I I think it's probably grander scale on him simply because of the number that he has influence on. I would say that I I'm not

I I think it would be false to assume that you're gonna see 70% of the people who, you know, were at a casual relationship with the church or frankly, what is more of a standard Catholic relationship, which is you show up, you tithe, you leave, you you repent, you come back. Like, I don't expect you're gonna see a 70% flip of that, but, like, I think it is a it's not it's it's not an accurate narrative to say that you're not seeing

impact with people that are otherwise reflecting his the types of behaviors that he advocates or talks about. Like, I've read I've read a numerous articles that kinda talk about where that is shifting. I just you know, I I think it's probably it's pretty high bar. 70% of people get anything right that they're gonna flip it out. I just know that this dude talks more about Jesus than most people that I know. Most popes that I've ever heard of. Right? Like, in my lifetime, I have never witnessed a pope talk about Jesus the way he talks about Jesus nor serve the way he serves. So so, I mean, I suppose you can put it in the mind frame that like, what are the the the the pope job is a legit job or not? Obviously, I disagree. I don't think it is a legit job. But like, as far as a dude going out there talking about who Jesus is and and and becoming part of the kingdom, that guy's doing a good job of it. That's what I know. Mhmm. So the the the premise

of the article though was Oh, man. We're not done with it. No. So go ahead. So well, maybe I'll just tell you this. Maybe this isn't worth the discussion. But the so the the question of the article was is America Post Christian? And you introduced with the one guy who says, no, isn't. Look at everybody's still excited about the pope.

His reply was, yes, it is. I think it is still post Christian. And I think I I probably read about half the article and I stopped and I decided, this is this is a dumb conversation. Like, what is the relevance of the of the question? The question should be, is America post Christ, not post Christian? And he's talking about, you know, people resonating with all these religious ish things and, you know, images and icons, and that that's, you know, your telltale mark of of people who have replaced, you know, an actual life changing experience with Christ with just kind of the superstitious ritual of religion. And who cares if America is still in that box of one religion or another,

as opposed to actually having the the salvation power of God in your life? I mean, those are very different questions. They're very different issues. But but they're but the answer, either way, like, I I I just feel like doesn't do any doesn't matter. Right? Like, let's let's say, let's it's it's Christ. Does does America follow Christ? Yes or no? Let let like No. That's if that's the question we're asking. So if the answer is no, what do we do? Well, we live like Jesus and we try to get other people to join the kingdom. And then let's say you ask the question, say, does America follow Christ? And let's say we got with a yes. We say, well, yes. But not everybody. So what are we gonna do? We're live like Christ and try to get more people into the kingdom. Right. And so I just like this. I mean, it's a long article. I made a really long article between two people that seem to love Jesus. Paragraphs doing that. And I thought I thought for good night, the I just does not matter to me at all. Like, the this this this question doesn't I don't seem to care because I'm not sure that it does anything. Like, am I am I missing something that I care about the answer to that question? No. I think you see the force for the truth. We're we're incredibly self centered as a society to where these kind of articles are constantly written. Who cares?

It does not matter if we're just talking about America. Like, I see these kind of articles all the time where it's just like, is America this? Is America that? When it comes to the concept of the church, and when it comes to the concept of the relationship that people have with whatever religion they wanna wanna identify with. And it kills me that so many people get caught up in what is America doing? What is America doing? When we should stop thinking so much about that because we're not trying to win over a country. We're not trying to win over a government. That is not what we are trying to do. Jesus didn't call us to go out and win over our government. He calls us to a completely different kingdom. And by doing so, we go out and speak to the people that are currently in that government,

Americans, and then we win win them over for Christ, not for some different country that we need to be involved in. It's all about winning people over for a heart for Christ. It does not matter what country they're in. It doesn't matter what flag they're currently running under. No matter who they are or where they're from, they need to be talked to about Christ and come to his kingdom. Boob is a Bernie Sanders supporter. He's trying he's creating this one world government business. I don't yes. Exactly. You're right. I'm not gonna say I'm pro Bernie Sanders on on this show, but what I'm gonna say is I am people. I am absolutely

for a one government world because I know that there's a better kingdom. I I it it just depends on the government. Right? I'll submit to a Jesus. Right. Exactly. Yeah. And actually, that was a lot, that was that was a lot of the that was a lot of political reaction. I thought, like, because of how the pope talks about people,

he he instantly became a Bernie Bernie Sanders sympathizer as far as our political infrastructure says. And it's I don't know. I don't know. I feel like sometimes we're not talking about the right things. Here's here's and I I don't don't hear me wrong in this. Like, there are legitimate issues in trying to run a flipping government. Mhmm. Like, that's a it's a difficult thing. And, like, although I'm not fighting for like, I there's a greater kingdom that I care about, I do still live here. And I think we have responsibility within the infrastructure that we are in to use it

in in good ways. And so, like, I think there's a there's a little bit of, don't hear me saying that, like, we just start our own commune, of stuff where where we can't interact. That's we can't be blinded to the

thing that we live in, like, into the nation that we live in. However, I I want our nation to reflect our priorities. And my priorities are, like, I I I care about people. And and the the question is is that, like, if you look at the things that us as a nation cares about, does that actually reflect what we care about? And if it does, what does that say about us as Christ followers? Understanding that that Jesus is not president, but, like, if I have an option to live in a country of where I have choices, I want the country to reflect the things that I care about, and I'm not sure with the discussion sometimes that we're having that we're actually having conversations about things that I care about. We're perpetuating something else that I'm not sure speaks well of what our values are. Mhmm. We've talked about this many times in the show that that too often we see people that are pushing for a moral America.

And I think that if we focus and shift our attention rather than trying to fix the government that we're currently in, and win people over for the government of Christ and the kingdom he's in, that is going to supersede and then eventually take care of the the government that we're trying to fix. So there's a there is a,

there is a millennial view. It's I'm calling them a generation. No. It's it's post no. No. No. It's, like a biblical millennium. I'm asking for It's postmillennium. And the thought process is is that you should expect Christianity to become stronger and more influential.

And so whereas whereas the other two millennial views, the all millennial view, the pre millennial view, that doesn't expects the church is gonna be raptured out, and then there's this time of tribulation. Post millennialism, part of part mostly, part of that thought structure says that the church will continue to get more powerful and will use its influence in governments and such to make positive

impacts on the world around it using that existing infrastructure. And so but to to a certain extent, what we believe about the end of the world does actually influence our expectation. And so where I say, hey, We're fighting the wrong battles, and we're doing through the wrong means. Like, there's an end of times view that says, no. No. These are the direct means of which the church will be influential. We need to elect candidates. We need to do x y and z, because that should be expected that the church will continue to grow and, and increase in power using the governmental infrastructure that exists. And so the people that love Jesus believe that, and so, like, they will lean on that infrastructure in ways that otherwise I wouldn't. Yeah. I don't understand how you can make decisions based on that. That is just a random guess. I feel like you don't have any biblical proof of that at all. I I think there are smart people that love Jesus that believe that. I'll put it that way. That's not I didn't say they weren't smart. I just said that I don't know how you can believe that because you don't have any proof of that. They there's a there's a biblical basis to it. I I just I like I wouldn't subscribe to it, but like, they're using scripture for you wanna make friends and say nice things I don't need friends. I get it. You don't wanna cause trouble. I understand completely. Smart people blah blah blah don't believe I admitted on conservative Christian radio that there are forms of universal health care that I could be for. Feel like I'm not making friends here today. How the heck did he love Jesus and be against that? Hey. We wanna make sure people can get health care needs. No. I hate that. I I don't understand how you could be against that on the onset. Here's here's the thing. There are, though. Yeah. You just frame the question really well. What they do is they start talking about how much it costs,

and that's how they get people against it. But my god, money will be upset. Exactly. Yeah. Oh, well, sorry. Someone has roasted man. Alright. You're listening live from the past. Hold on. That should be convicting to you. You understand me? If you've said something like universal health care is a terrible idea because I deserve health care because I work,

you should feel like a jerk face and someone who's not caring for people. Because that is generally the argument. We I get this conversation all the time with people at work. Well, I deserve good health care because I work. Yeah. That's how we that's how we measure human dignity and and the love for others. Right? Because one guy works and another guy doesn't. He obviously doesn't deserve a life at all. Why don't you just shoot him and save the time? Right? If that's your actual view on life. He doesn't deserve health care because let's say he doesn't have a job, but you do have a job. Why don't you save everybody the hassle and kill the man? Because you're not gonna give him health care anyway. It's the exact same argument. Just put in a real blunt corner. Mhmm. Just you just shoot them is what you're saying. Yeah. Just shoot them. Hey. I'm not like Yeller style. I'm probably not gonna work for the next few months. Good. Let me go get the gun. Yeah. If you're not if you're not gonna work into the health care system, you don't deserve it. Wabbo. There's something about having a succubus still. You know what I'm saying? Like, the I mean, I don't know.

And these are legitimate problems I don't know how to solve. Because, I mean, there are there are people that jack with the system. Of course, they are. Thieves. Hey, listen. Jesus prepared you for this man. He just totally prepared you for the succubus. You're gonna find that in every system, bro. There's there every system that gets created, you're gonna find something to manipulate that. It. Save with the salt water on Mars. We knew what was coming. Here's the here's the thing, I guess, is is, I was trying to think of a biblical example of where Jesus did is, like, helped a guy, and doggone it, it's that guy at the is it Salom? Yeah. The pool of Salom. The lazy guy. Like, he still he still healed that man. He is. That's Jesus. He still gives it to you. He still did it. You're like, that guy's But he only healed the one. Yeah, but he that guy did not have troubles. I'm just saying, but I don't know how how far you take that. How many didn't he heal? I don't know. Wait. So so you don't think we're in the Oh, no. I don't know. I'm just saying I don't know how far you can take that illustration. Believe in universal health care, just singular health care during the day. I choose you. Actually, by I suppose by that standard,

the phrase, neither shall I condemn you, go and sin no more, applies only to one person. Yeah. Just you. Everyone else condemn. It's really it's really on my choice here. I do not use me as an example. I just do what I want. You know what, Dave? Remind me to critique your sermons later. Your broad principles are really gonna get whittled down. Actually, you know, now that I think about it, the only, blood moon, end of times discussion that I got on Facebook came from you, Dan. So From me? Yeah. From you. What what did I do? You've posted something about the blood moons coming, you know, end of times, how should Christians respond to Pathway Church? That was the only thing that showed up on my Facebook about Oh, yeah. About end of times craziness. And it was mostly take a breath. Yeah. Yeah. I I definitely like the the tone of it, but I didn't get any kind of those crazy

antichrist I know the I here's the here's what I think. I think I know the right people because I saw a lot of that stuff. Which means I know the right people who made me hear hear about Jesus. I saw a little I saw quite a bit of the people freaking out thinking that this was gonna be a big deal or and then arguing with people did not care at all. And it was I love reading that stuff. Like half the stuff admittedly and I've been struggling with this for years. And we've talked about this multiple times. Like, I I struggle on how much I actually know about how what some of these dudes are talking about because they're throwing out terms that I'm just like, I just I frankly don't care. Uh-huh. But I I kinda just look for Jesus' name every once in a while. Like if I'm reading through one of those long like 40 comment things, I try and pick out how many times I can see Jesus. And if I can't see him that many times, I'm like, that just does not seem like the kind of conversation I give. Two Jesus. Nope. Yeah. Exactly. 42 comments, one Jesus. That's not the conversation I need to get into. That is obviously not the one I need to be in and I back out. But I did see quite a few of that. Yes.

It happens. I saw mostly just really poor quality pictures of people saying, see what I saw? Like, yeah, we all can see it. It's like I thought I I couldn't think of the right quip. But like, what I kept thinking was is that taking pictures with your cell phone produces the what is a quote, what is the MSNBC of of a lunar moon photos. Like like the real low rent thing that that people like you turn on the cameras and say, we should do this because we can. Yeah. Not because we should. And let the world see it. Yeah. And and make sure everyone hears about it. It's like watching MSNBC looking at people post cell phone pics of the lunar moon

or the the blood moon. I saw someone come up with a picture that was just as comparable to an actual picture on Snapchat. Like, they took a picture of the moon and then they took a picture of the sky by it and then kinda drew in a red thing in there, and it looked the exact same. One was Snapchat, him drawing it, one was the actual moon. See, but they're already scandalizing it. Like, it's a red moon. It's not a blood moon. It's just a red moon. Yeah. I know. It's they specifically call it that in this instance though when there's an eclipse. Because it's what? It's a super moon. It's red. When it's closer, it has it has it's closer and

it's and and it has the the the the lunar eclipse. Why does that make it a blood moon? I don't It's just what they call it. It's the full lunar eclipse. Because of its Paired with a super moon. It only happens every like thirty years. You're stigmatizing it. No. No. That's true. It's What color is your blood? In in practical purposes. You know what? But I don't call my car a blood car. Hey, man. You should start calling your car a blood car. Hop into the murder mobile. Get the blood mobile. The Lord's gonna take it away at the resurrection.

Hey, man. I just saw a red car. Where's Jesus? You guys hungry? I've got some blood apples. Blood tomato sauce coming off here for you. That's terrifying. What's this all sound? Spaghetti and blood sauce. You're part of the propaganda wheel. That's true. I've accepted the hype. You're listening to live from the past. Bernie Sanders would never let this stand. Here we go. It's, will committed Christians be committed

to an asylum? Let's see. A new study purports to show that those who hold traditional views about marriage are psychotic. Will studies like this lead to more Christians being punished for their views? The study by Giancomo Chiocha et al, psychoticism,

immature defense mechanisms, and a fearful attachment style are associated with a higher homophobic attitude. Here's the thing. I don't know who works in these industries where they do the studies and stuff. But I mean, would it would it would it be harmful to hire a guy that helps with the titles? Because they're always they're always like eight sentences long. They don't have any whiz bang to them. That, like, my study is titled psychoticism, immature defense mechanisms, and a fearful attachment style are associated with a higher homophobic attitude. Done.

I mean, it rolls off the tongue. Shouldn't they be more concerned that I I believe with all my heart that the dude was murdered brutally and three days later came back to life. That's a good point, Dan. I mean, your social view is pale in comparison to believing in the resurrection of a man. I believe the guy is alive and he's coming back and he's gonna judge the world. He apparently wants you to eat his flesh and get his blood to you. I'm a percent certain that he sent angels to destroy cities, and they're really worried about my thought process on marriage. That's true. We're not making it past the initial questionnaire. Yeah. Do you see dead people? I've heard of some. Absolutely. Medically, we're dead. Yeah. We are straight up going into the loony bit. One guy one guy rose from the dead and as far as the this book I read tells me, a bunch of them were also walking around from the dead. Right. And I will do.

How do you know you're going to heaven with him? Well, I went in a pool. Some guy hugged me up with him. And I came back up. Everybody applauded. Hey, I took a shower this one time, and then I came back, and now I'm gonna be able to be come back and resurrected. Yeah. Because I mean, you people got smell good. Yeah. You're right. This study was unnecessary. Good point, Dan. We're all insane.

It claims to find that homophobia is associated with psychosis and other forms of mental illness. The study, however, operationalizes both the dependent and independent variables, what is being explained and what explains,

homophobia and psychosis, such that anyone who holds a Christian worldview will be labeled both psychotic and homophobic. So unsurprisingly, the authors found a correlation. In statistics, an intervening variable explains the relationship between an independent and dependent variable. In this case, the intervening variable is a Christian worldview, which means Christians, non Christians steeped in a Christian culture, or simply those with a worldview similar to a Christian worldview. In other words, the authors define certain Christian views as homophobic, other religious views as psychotic, and abracadabra found that some people show signs of both homophobic and psychosis. Okay. Here here's what's psychotic. Okay. Thirty years ago, being homosexual was a mental illness.

Now not believing in homosexuality, they think it's a mental illness, And I believe Satan's involved, which makes me mentally ill right there. Yeah. There's there's no reason to study this thing anymore. I feel like we're on the outs. Yeah. We're not Okay. So let me ask you this. So homophobia,

it that in definition, that would be the fear of homosexuality. Correct? Correct. Yeah. It's Yeah. But The word the word You're not thinking about it scientifically. This is a political word. How is it used politically?

Annoyingly. That's how it's used politically. Exactly. It's basically like Hey, man. I'm not afraid of gay people. Right. Like, I have never run away from a homosexual person. Like, oh, no. And random. Like, I've never found myself there. I can I can disagree with someone without being fearful of them Yeah? From a phobia perspective. That's absolutely ridiculous. Yeah. Just because I'm like, hey, That's that's probably not a good idea. And and, you know, I believe in a God of this entire universe that's bigger than anything you've ever even imagined that says, yeah. Yeah. No. That like and I'm I'm therefore afraid of you and need to run away. Yeah. That's tricky. Alright. Alright. I kinda wanna take the quiz. Let's take the quiz. Let's do it. No. It's not it's not available.

Oh, bummer. Well, we need to contact these people and say, hey, we're possibly psychotic. Did we get your quiz? I'm not an inept boob who can't click a hyper link. I said I wanna take the quiz I didn't know it's not available. I'm because it didn't apply. I was for a time perspective. Hey, maybe you don't need to jump down our throats and think we're not saying you're capable. I'd like to take it. If only I had some encouragement. And then I would Hey, man. You can do it. Click on the link. Thanks, boys. We care about you. You're listening to Life From The Path. We're hanging out here every Monday night at, lifefromthepath.org. Hey, big before we go, well, we've already ruined the show. A big thanks to Bob Eisenhower with the Eisenhower team. Go to eisenhowerteam.com.

You can find, the current listings that that, Bob and his team have out there. And, maybe you're you're not sure whether you wanna sell your place and you just wanna, I don't know, get an idea what you could sell it for and what's out there. Here's the deal. I check that stuff probably every two months. I just think, hey. What's out? Maybe maybe something pop up. And, and maybe Lord's got something for me moving out. So I call Bob, and and Bob figures out what's out there for me, and he sends me a bunch of stuff. You can also give him a call at (515) 979-2883. That's, Bob Eisenhower with the Eisenhower team. Go to eisenhowerteam.com. And, I don't know. What do people say in the radio? Tell them the live from the path boy I sent you. And I I don't know. That's gonna it's not gonna really do anything. It's just that the people do that to advertise.

So anyway, thank big thanks to Bob. Let's see. Mike, you got some dear life in the path. Oh. Yeah. I do. You wanna do one? Echo Fast. Okay. Yeah. We need Echo Fast. Ready? Dear Life from the Path. I'm a woman who has always had trouble with women friends who like to call and chat. It has never really been my thing. One of them never asks if I'm busy. She just plunges into a conversation that usually lasts an hour. I never call her. If she asks me to return her call, I'll wait a day or two. I'm afraid to tell her I don't like spending that kind of time on the phone because I know it will hurt her feelings. I've lost friends in the past because of this. I think instead of avoiding her calls and feeling guilty, I'd rather not have her as a friend. I'd be happier reading a book or working on my hobbies. Am I being silly? Seriously? What? Wow. Get over yourself.

They just they're trying to improve themselves, booba. No. No. I don't Mike, there is no argument you're gonna give me right now. I do not care. I'm not saying young unreasonable. I'm not I'm not saying this woman need to spend of an hour on the phone every single day with this person. But

seriously, you're not gonna be her friend because you don't communicate that way. Oh, crap. You You disagree with me. Maybe get over yourself, have a conversation with the woman, cut her off in half an hour. Just say, hey, It's been great talking to you. I do have to get on with my life or whatever you wanna say, but that doesn't mean you completely out her as your friend because you don't wanna spend time on the phone with her. Well, me this. Yes.

How often do you spend time in a room with nothing else going on all by yourself for five or six hours at a time? Does that make you uncomfortable? No. It doesn't make me uncomfortable. You you sit okay. I when's the last time you've done it? Six hours straight. Saturday? Just sitting in a room. No TV. No radio. No phone.

Oh, I well, I didn't just sit there by myself alone, like, doing nothing. That's exactly what I was asking. Sorry. I thought you meant, like, just being alone with as in no one was around me. No. I had oh, I had my phone because I was listening watching Netflix. Yeah. Okay. So so here's what I'm saying. Is that you are designed a certain way, and this woman is designed a certain way. And that kind of that kind of stuff of interacting with that that that amount of people for that long makes them really uncomfortable. That's why I'm saying don't do it for that long, but that doesn't mean you need to be unfriend her because you don't wanna sit there and talk. Yeah. You gotta get rid of this woman. She's dragging you down. Oh my gosh. Give her the health care and send her packing. I I think I I think I I lean toward Mike's view on this. Oh my god. I I'm a father of daughters who are have the same they live the struggle. They they're they don't wanna sit around and have girl chat all the time and then talk about makeup and boys and they have a life to live. Oh, yes. I would agree with that. You may have a life to live, but that doesn't mean you can't stop and talk to somebody. Yeah. Yeah. I mean and you can cut them off and and you usually do it, but they don't listen. And then you have to keep trying and trying and pretty soon you just hang up and say my battery died or something. I don't know. But, I don't know if that happened. I feel like I feel like we're making extreme out of this situation. This doesn't happen that often. It's not an indictment on all of humanity. He's just there's one woman who has a temperament, and she just likes to talk a lot. He is very much not of that temperament. They're not gonna really get along in terms of their communication styles, is sort of important for foundations of relationships. It doesn't mean that he has anything against her particularly.

It's just her way of communicating really doesn't sync up very well with him. Yeah. It's hard to build a basis of a relationship without that. So you cut off all ties with this person entirely? Yeah. Well, that's I I don't think you have to because be that's mean what this person is saying you they do. I I think you should do it respectfully, but just say, hey, here's who I am, here's who you are, and and I really don't see a future with this. Yeah. And it's okay to say that. There's a lot of humanity that I'm not gonna have a future with. And it's okay. I I still pick my friends. How much of your life do you end up if you don't do things like this, how much of your life gets tied up in in the niceties where you could actually been doing something meaningful and you're caught up for fifty eight minutes of a two minute conversation, and the other fifty eight minutes, you've wasted their placating them. You've wasted fifty eight minutes out of that hour. Now multiply that times your life and look what you've done. Being a friend to that person is a waste of time. A friend, you're being a wall. No. Yeah. You're not being a friend. Yeah. You're a false friend. Like, the right thing to do is to say, look, I I can't be you're basically you can't be what they need you for. There there there are other people that can provide that, who wanna listen to your stories and who enjoy that kind of thing. If you're looking for someone that you want to engage in your life and listen to that stuff, you're not the right person. Alright. Here's the point where I'm disagreeing with you guys because it seems like that you're There's no room for that, Harry. Leaving no Apparently not. That's exactly it is you're not leaving any kind of room for actual self sacrifice in terms of your relationships. You're just evaluating everyone based on what can I get out of it? And, you know, anyone who doesn't perfectly sync up and and meet all of your needs in terms of communication

of the conversation was me listening to you. Right. It wasn't saying, hey. Hey. Listen to me for two minutes. I listened to you for two, which was the meat and potatoes of what you had to say, And then you talked for another 58. I gave you the two. You stole the 58. You, sir Or you could have just been generous and given them the 58, then now they said 58 to give. There's other people to talk to. If that's the case, then we're to people. That's what I'm saying. Alright. Yeah. That's what he's saying. And that's exactly what she did. She said, look, we can't do this anymore. If you refuse to stop stealing the 58 from my wife, my kids, and other people, then I'm gonna have to let you go. That is a different premise than what this person is putting out there. Here's the thing. They're not It's not they're not saying I need someone fifty eight minutes, you have to take fifty eight minutes from somebody else. No. This person is taking fifty eight minutes away from themself. Not that that's what you're assuming. What was their conversate what did they wanna spend the time doing? They said I wanna play with my kids and love on music. No. They said I wanna no. They said I wanna work on myself and do things I wanna do. There's a difference between wasting your time and then taking that away from another person, which I agree with. If you got a family and not sit there for an hour, I understand that. But at the same point in time, if you can't give yourself, okay, I'll listen to this person for an hour rather than sitting down and doing nothing and just building my myself up. You need to give up a little bit of your time just to build a relationship with this gal. Even if you don't wanna be your best friend, maybe she just wants somebody to listen to her. Do it. See? Now this is a perfect example because you talked for a minute, which was helpful. And the other three minutes you were talking, I gifted you. I was talking for maybe forty five seconds. Why can't, like is there I mean, I guess it depends on the hobby, but is there a reason you can't listen on the phone maybe on speaker and do your whatever? Isn't that play, Katie? My wife will do her dishes. Yes. Do the dishes and Completely play game. Stuff while she talks to long winded people. I'm gonna put you on speaker

and then pretend like I'm listening while I'm gluing together this wooden horse. I suppose if they I suppose if they don't care, doesn't matter. Hey. You've been listening to Live From The Path. Thanks for hanging out with so far. If you're on the Truth Network nine nine point three FM, we've gotta let you go. If you wanna hear the end result of this Dear Life from the Path plus some more, you should hang up for the podcast. If you're on the podcast, we'll be right back with you. Please be faithful in means God will handle the ends. You've been listening to Life from the Path. What if the friend so here's the what if the friend doesn't care? Like, like, they're they're they're centered on themselves so much that they just wanna talk, and they really don't care if you're listening. Then Andrew's compromise might actually work out. That's what I'm saying. That it just depends on who who it is. Focus a lot of house housework then with long winded people. Somewhere, you're gonna have to have a two minute conversation where the two of you hash out, hey. Here's how we how this could move forward. Here's the deal. I've called someone

from my wife's phone Mhmm. So they would stop talking to me. You've called me. I was talking to somebody on the phone and they wouldn't stop talking. So I dialed the number with my wife's phone to make it look like my wife was calling and then I hung them both up. That's weird how Gerald always calls me when I'm talking to you. Yeah. Yeah. Then I gotta go. No. No. No. Actually, then as soon as they pick up, I hang up both like it was an accidental pocket down. That is such a passive aggressive way to respond. It really is. That's not you. Here's the deal. I will I've come to terms of fact that I'm an hour long talker, and I will not disagree with that. We all know that. I'm the hour long talker. Mhmm. I am perfectly fine with someone going to me, hey man, you know I would be happy to listen to you for the next hour. I just don't have time. Can I talk to you at a different time? Yeah. Sure. No. I understand that. I'm sorry I called and then tried to waste your time. I'll talk to you later. Or at half an hour, you go, hey man, it's been good talking to you, but I do have to go. Like, I have to do with that with people, but it doesn't mean I don't accept their phone calls or I just try and completely unfriend them. Oh, boy. What are you giving of yourself if you're really just saying, hey, no. I'm never gonna talk to you because you talk all the time. And we don't communicate the same way, so therefore we can't be friends anymore. That is what this woman is is trying to get across. She's doing it like four times a week though. Yeah. But friendships require a maintenance of time and effort and energy and sacrifice. So,

the alternative is you can just respectfully say, hey, look, we got to live our lives differently. I'm actually very similar to it. Like, maybe five minute conversations are good, but so what I'll do I don't care, like, whoever's talking. I'll just start screaming at the top of my lungs until they start talking. Stop talking.

That would do It a doesn't cool give me, these strange looks. Andrew sells Hey, man. I suppose that would definitely get me to stop talking. And then as soon as they start talking again after they've given me the strange look, I just start screaming again. And it usually just ends after that. Here's the thing. You got to in all seriousness, like, you you have to

you could you can you can support people like that to the best of your abilities, but you know when it's time to quit. Like, when they like, they seriously I I feel like I have to I I the the the biggest commodity that I have is time and how and how I choose to spend it. And, like, when people start encroaching on on time that is not allotted to them, that starts to become a problem. Because that time you're they're literally stealing it from somebody else. They're not stealing it from me or my leisure time. They're stealing it from me interacting with somebody else with their long winded crappiness. And so, like, I feel like you honestly have to put a stop to that or you will secretly hate them. And you'll be mad at them every time you see them very similar of of the way this lady is. But Dave says you're not being gracious. I can be gracious for x amount of time, and then I have to stop.

Said I can't be gracious for two other people. He just has to manage his time really well because he has so little of it. I can get on board that. That is fair. Mhmm. If you are if you are still in talking to this person. But completely

unfriending them is ridiculous. Yeah. That's what this woman is asking. Should I unfriend this person just because I don't I'm not able to have conversation with her or stop her from talking. That is ridiculous. Yeah. I understand that time is commodity, and I'm not saying you have to spend two hours talking to this person every single day. Sure. Sure. What does secular say? I don't know. You guys don't Isn't that kind of the concept of this? She hung up. Yeah. Here's the deal. It was very it was very similar to boob his lame argument. So I I skipped that.

Basically, she said, you have to be honest to a point, which is basically where we ended up. It's fifty fifty of yellow belly slash, you know, waste a bunch of time. Here we go. Dear life in the path. My mom's recently separated from her husband. They're in the process of getting divorced, and she's already talking to another man. She has known him since high school, but they only recently reconnected again. Last night, they finally decided to go out. She says they are just friends in parenthesis, but she got home at 05:30 in the AM. Wasted.

She woke up thirty minutes before work then passed out in my bed. I think she's moving way too fast. She isn't a teacher any teenager anymore, let alone divorced. Am I wrong for being upset with her, or should I support her? Embarrassed in Texas. This is a lifestyle. This is her mom and her husband. So it's not even she's she's already at least number three. Did I did I hear that correctly? I mean I mean

Most likely number three. Even her dad. If you're assuming that she was married to the father in the first place. Yes. Well, okay. Good point. Good point. Yeah. This this gal is in a self destructive lifestyle. Is that an there's no support? That's Dan's advice. I'm I'm so confused. Is the child emailing us about her their mother and the mother's husband.

The mother the yes. Mother's new boyfriend. And what's the actual question? And there's like a divorce going on, but divorce hasn't happened yet. And there's mom and dad split up. They're not technically completely split up yet. Mom is now possibly dating another man. Alright. I got it now. Think we're past the possibly point, but alright. Well, would call her involved. They could be just friends till 05:30 in the AM. It's complicated. Very friendly. The

Facebook status would be as complicated as Red moon, walk, light. Wait. Wait. I couldn't even it in one second. Blood moon's happening. Blood moon. Romantic walks. I don't think it's unreasonable to have a conversation with her. Like, yeah, you're the daughter or the the son I have the daughter's son. But that's not unreasonable to have a conversation with your mom. Just say, hey, you know, can you give me a little bit of the information here? Because I'm a little bit uncomfortable about the fact that you haven't even really divorced the person that I called my parent.

And now you're just friends with another man you've known since high school. And you were got home hammered at 05:30 in the morning. Which there is no age when that is a responsible situation to be involved in. Yeah, mom. Get a hold of yourself. Or no situation where that is a responsible thing to do. She needs a friend who will call and talk to her for an hour. Yeah. It sounds like she needs to talk for about an hour on the phone. Just one hour you can solve it? No. No. It'll be one hour four times a week. Okay. And that person will need to be gracious with their time and not unfriend that person. I see. Solve this in two minutes. Mike, you can solve anything in two minutes. Let's hear it. But then you don't solve it. Basically, all you need to say is, hey, your behavior is not gonna end up in a joyful place for you, and I can't be a party to it. You need something, you come let me know. I'll point you to joy. Until then, stay out to my bed, you creeper. Stay out to my bed. Stay

out to my bed. You'll be passing out on my bed. Yeah. Done. I feel like I've solved it. Anything else you wanna bloviate about? I'd like to know how old she is. Doesn't matter, Dan. Always enjoy it anyway. The the the daughter is like, is she old enough to be on her own? I mean, can she kick her mom out? I think this woman's kinda part of a cycle of just self destructive relationships that needs to really be addressed. Otherwise, this next one's just gonna implode just like all the others. So Right. You know, what's that deep need that she's trying to fill? What what is it that is so, you know, inadequate that really needs to be addressed? And that's definitely a two minute conversation. That's what I'm saying. Done deal. Here we go. Secular says Just read the But not that that is not the situation though. You can't just tail that in every circumstance that shows up like it's two minutes of deep deep diving. That that that woman that was in the other circumstance was calling and, like, and going on at long periods of time all the time. Not, hey. I could really use some help, but you got two minutes to straighten me out or I'm bailing. That's not the same situation. I was mocking Mike for his comments earlier, not saying that that's something that needs to be happening. I've set you straight. Yep. Two more. Completely agreed. No. In under two minutes. Yeah. Great great job. Thirty five seconds in. There you go. Secular is oh, boy. She's gonna go on some kind of long winded STD conversation.

I don't have time for that. I'm gonna skip a good portion of it. I don't know how old your mother is or how long she's been married to the man she's divorcing. But if she has been out of the dating scene for any length of time, you need to talk calmly with her and not appear judgmental. I'm concerned because she may have had unprotected sexual contact with a person she hasn't seen since high school, and a lot could have happened in his life since then. That that's pull out of the air. Yeah. I'm sure it was unprotected too. That's the most concerning part of this situation. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. You're self destructing. You're you're showing up at 05:30 in the morning hammered and sleeping in your daughter's bed.

No. That's not a concern at all. But sexual contact with this man from high school, she should not be intimate with anyone unless she knows his sexual history and that he can't give her an STD. Holy cats. Unless she's married. Yeah. This sounds secular. Wow. That's pretty much all we're gonna I mean, I feel like the Herp is number four on my list of things I'm concerned about here. Where do you wanna eat? Do you have the Herp? Where do you wanna eat? Have you been tested?

Paperless herp? You wanna go to Death Street? You taking steroids for anything? It's funny. I don't think I've ever heard secular come off so religiously as they did just here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's interesting. Hey. How you doing? STD much? Do you have a list of your sexual partners since the last time we spoke?

It's been fifteen years since high school. That's a lot of nights. Boy. Boy, like, it's I don't think Do keep a book? I've not seen in such great relief seculars focused on such a like, I I something that says, I don't really care about you as a person. Like, for for all for all the the society has grown to where we are concerned about people's mental state and impact of other abuse besides physical. It's just I don't want you spreading communicable diseases. Yeah. Exactly. As long as as long as having random sex with people doesn't create disease in your body, I feel like this is, you know, this is really what I'm concerned about. You don't have a condom. I'd be okay with this. Exactly. The same response would be like a guy wrote in and says, look, I've been down on my luck. I'm currently homeless. I'm having a hard time finding a job. Can you can you point me in any direction? She says, do you realize how how many diseases there are sleeping outside? You need to stop that directly. Yeah. You need to fix that. That's basically her response. You're very careful. Think about what you're saying or the root of any of your problems or actually how to solve them, do you realize the disease ridden box that you sleep in is disgusting? It's like going to WebMD with your issues.

It's like, hey, WebMD. Really depressed recently. I got a lot going on. I'm I'm I'm sleeping around with with different sexual partners because I can't I can't find fulfillment and love from anybody in general. And I'm just I'm really upset in life. And WebMD goes, hey, man. Sexual diseases are possible. You need to take care of that situation. By the way, take L DOPA. That fits it all. I've said I'm so lonely. Pursue your destructive lifestyle in a safe physical manner. Make sure that you don't disturb others. Find yourself a nice dating website. Yeah. Okay. Here we go. Dear life from the path,

my second husband likes to touch me often. He massages my back, rubs my legs, and runs his hands through my hair. This is new for me. My first husband never acted this way. I have been married to husband number two for fifteen months. My question is, is this normal? Yeah. No. What? Is it normal to have physical contact with your husband? Hey, listen. I've tried to run my hand through my wife's hair recently, and maybe it is the

going on, fifteen, sixteen years that I've known this woman, but it just wasn't greeted with the hey, my ears. Did you have product in her hair? Well, here's the deal. It looked because I pet the dog the same way. Stretch behind her ear. And it doesn't seem affectionate. It seems demeaning. Are you feeling for ticks? Or I

just like to touch soft hair because mine is slowly leaving me, and I'd like to know what it feels like to have lustrous hair. Boy. So I don't want I don't want to have a, like, Gerd Wilhelm she was married to before. Do they have children? Because I'd like to know how it happens. Right? Do they have two separate beds? Good night, sweetheart. Good night.

I'll be going to my room now. As will I. I'm afraid of STDs. Secular has warned. We shall listen. We touch my leg. Is this normal?

After fifteen months, you asked this question. Like, was there a dating period where this guy was just not touching you at all? And then all of a sudden, he one day was just like, hey. Like when he was married, he's done it correctly. No touchy touchy touchy. Yeah. Yeah. I do. Touchy touchy. I feel bad for husband number one. He's missed out on all the benefits of being a husband number one. Yeah. No doubt. Maybe that's why he's not I was gonna say. Maybe that's why there's a husband number two. Although if that was the case, her if she was out seeking something else, her replies at leg touching from husband number two seems odd. Hey, I've always been looking for physical connection with my husband, but now that I've got it, it's kinda weird. He's a little perverted. He just touches me. He touched my Does this mean we have no friends? You You know what I'm saying? Like, I feel like this is the conversation I walk in with ladies like, well, he's just not as affectionate as he used to be. Like, like, these things get discussed. Yeah. Except for on husband number one, she's completely shocked. Like, so my husband, like, touched me on the leg. Is that does that happen to you guys? Oh, yeah. Yeah. That happens. Yeah. Sometime it's fine. Yeah. Like, I mean, I feel like it should've came up with husband number one with the lady time that, hey, man. I feel like that man doesn't come anywhere near me and sleeps in another room. Don't you think that's weird? No. Having lady friends is a good idea. Yeah. That's my advice. Now get lady friends. So in light of not having lady friends, we're here asking advice from Life From The Path. Yeah. It's a room full of This is scary. This is really scary. Alright. I would my advice is to give him a high five and say keep on keeping on. Yeah.

Love Ben. Love Ben. And you have to feed me more than twice a day. Like, if this is not making you uncomfortable, then I wouldn't be concerned about it. I I if you're asking because this makes you uncomfortable This is a conversation you have with husband. Well, yeah. I mean, like, if she's she's trying to understand like, I kinda get it. Like, I think we'd be sympathetic to the thought process that you were used to dealing with the with the person. Right? You're married. You have an intimate relationship with them, and they act the same way that that this person is. And so I I think the question is probably more coming from she doesn't know how to act in that circumstance. And so the right the only question that you're the way you're gonna frame it is is what he's doing normal because you don't know how to act in that circumstance. And frankly, it's easier to hear, no. He's abnormal than, oh, no. You actually don't know how to behave here. Right. And so my guess is that's the root of it. He's just affectionate in a different way than her first husband was, and she doesn't necessarily know how to react to that or show him

either whether she likes it or doesn't like it. And so my guess is that's probably the root of it. And the truth is is, yeah, just just talk to him. If you like it, then, you know, go with You should affirm him with a Pillsbury Doughboy style. That's how he needs to know that you did what's happening. Yeah. Going forward, give him positive feedback. Yeah. Yeah. Say, hey. I like that. I like that. Alright. Not so much on the kneecap, but, know Yeah. I like the other thing. Place to land, buddy. Woo hoo. No. Elbows are pervy, Craig. Pervy. Not when I'm watching NYPD Blue. You know better.

Okay. Secular's advice is, yeah, that's normal. Many women We spent too much time on it. Many women would consider you lucky to have a spouse who is so affectionate. Different strokes for different folks. Enjoy it while it lasts. Hey, listen. All ladies like affection. It is not different strokes for different folks. Ladies like to have affection. Now you gotta figure out what avenue in which they like it most. Some don't like you hanging all over them, making them making them uncomfortable. You know what I'm saying? Just touch them on the smaller back when you put them through a door. They love that. That's the kind of stuff you can do. Put them through a door. Yeah. You say that. Hey, man. Don't say that to me because I've actually put a person through a door before, and it's a lot different of a situation. One side. And then you put your hand on the smaller back and and just Shove them through a door. You don't shove them. You just lead them out. Here we go. Time to go. Lead them okay. Give it to kids. You've been listening to life in the past. I wrote a book. It's called Mike's Ways of the Highways. Doing a conversation. Where's my guitar? Alright.

I know this is rough times for you, but we're gonna have to let you go. Yeah. The world can't tolerate anymore of this. You've been listening to Live From Path. Thanks for hanging out with us. Make sure you check out the website during the week, livefromthepath.org. Also, if you have feedback on the show, if it's good feedback, we wanna hear it [email protected]. Oh, mercy. Oh, dear. If it's bad, you go ahead and let the radio station know they need all that stuff. Bang your folk guitar.

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