Live From The Path · Season 2017, Episode 2
Trigger Warnings
Topics covered
- Episode preview and sign-off — The show's opening preview and closing sign-off bookends. ≈ 0:00
- Trigger warnings and discomfort culture — The University of Glasgow crucifixion trigger warnings and the broader push to shield students from discomfort. ≈ 0:52
- Faith-flavored passwords — The Christianity Today article on Bible verses and Christian phrases used as passwords in a leaked-password database. ≈ 2:23
- Worship — What worship actually is beyond 'worship music,' and how the hosts think about ascribing worth to God. ≈ 4:43
- New Year's resolutions and habits — The hosts' New Year's resolutions: Boova's health kick and college grind, Ben's phone-attention discipline and reading goal. ≈ 6:34
- Marriage, hoarding, and grace — A Dear LFTP letter about a wife who hoards and the question of genetic testing, answered with grace and directness. ≈ 44:15
- Workplace conflict and directness — A Dear LFTP letter about a lunch-stealing coworker, answered with generosity-first directness and a Secular bureaucratic counter-take. ≈ 50:22
Segments
- Show open and preview 0:00–0:52
Ben opens the show live from the Pathway Studios in Johnston and previews the night: Dear LFTP advice letters, two news stories (Glasgow crucifixion trigger warnings, a Christianity Today password article), and a discussion of what worship actually is.
- Glasgow crucifixion trigger warnings: first look 0:52–2:22
Ben introduces the story of University of Glasgow theology students given trigger warnings and told they may leave class if depictions of Jesus's crucifixion are too upsetting; Boova concedes the historical material gets gruesome but questions a blanket trigger section for a course called creation to apocalypse, introduction to the Bible.
- Jesus-as-password article: first look 2:23–4:42
Ben introduces the Christianity Today article on Bible-flavored passwords from a 32-million-password breach list: I love Jesus at number eight, Jesus Christ at seven, god at ten; the hosts riff on honoring Jesus with a Facebook password and joke that Philippians 4:13 means 'I can do all things like get into this computer.'
- What is worship? Teaser and framing 4:43–6:34
Boova describes feeling disconnected from worship even though he sings and lifts his hands, and asks where his definition of worship comes from; Ben argues most of our concept of worship comes from the phrase 'worship music,' giving a narrow picture, and mentions Wayne Stewart's book on worship as a possible resource. Ben closes the tease with a sponsor joke naming himself and the show email.
- New Year's resolutions 6:34–13:32
Boova admits no resolution ever stuck, and wants to get back on a health kick after gaining a 'freshman 60' during his first college semester back in eight years; Ben describes controlling his phone attention and setting a two-books-a-month reading goal, recommending Living Water by Brother Yun (of The Heavenly Man).
- Glasgow trigger warnings: the article and the culture 13:32–24:29
Ben reads the full Daily Mail account: the creation to apocalypse course, the university's duty-of-care statement, and former Free Church of Scotland moderator Rev David Robertson's criticism that future leaders should be able to cope with basic material like this; both hosts argue trigger culture pamper students, reject the right to never be uncomfortable, and note Scripture's call to do kingdom work rather than stay comfortable.
- Guessing the top-10 Christian passwords 24:30–34:00
Ben quizzes Boova on the leaked-password list: Jesus is number one overall with 21,000 uses, then heaven, faith, blessed, Christ, I love God, Jesus Christ, I love Jesus, god is good, and god at ten; the Bible-verse password list is John 3:16, Philippians 4:13, Jeremiah 29:11, Psalm 23, John 1:1, Psalm 91:1, Proverbs 31, and Acts 2:38; they nod to the DC Talk song 'Jesus freak' at fifteen and joke about shallow devotional passwords.
- What does worship actually look like? 34:00–44:14
Boova traces his question to a Casting Crowns Pandora session, an eighteen-minute three-phrase YouTube worship song that felt organic, and a non-theatrical house-church worship time; Ben holds up David as the multi-register worshipper (lamentor, celebrator, dancer) and argues communal worship boxes in a life-wide reality; they invite listener emails on worship and plan to post a Jesse Reeves worship-conference video.
- Dear LFTP: genetic testing for a hoarding wife? 44:15–50:21
Ben reads a letter from a husband whose wife won't throw anything away (eight-year remodel, goat trails through the house, a chock-full barn, professional organizer, marriage counseling); both hosts say drop the genetic-testing idea and love her through the compulsion with grace, while Secular suggests the counselor float the testing suggestion since coming from the husband it will sound like blame.
- Dear LFTP: the coworker who steals lunches 50:22–1:00:41
Ben reads a letter about Grace, a coworker who eats anything in the office fridge and raids the writer's snack drawer; the advice is to have a direct conversation and double up on snacks so generosity exposes the behavior, while Secular says report her to a supervisor and write a pilfering policy; Boova tells his call-center fridge security-camera story and they joke about handbook absurdities like Pete the face-puncher.
- Sign-off 1:00:41–1:01:10
Ben closes the show with the sign-off line 'be faithful in the means; God will handle the ends' and the contact email [email protected].
Bible references
- John 3:16
At first glance, John 3 sixteen's 16 looks like a reasonable password.
- Philippians 4:13
Philippians four thirteen. I can do all things like get into this computer.
- Philemon 6:27
The wind 29, Philemon 627? Yeah. Philemon 67 is correct. [joke password suggestion; Philemon has a single chapter of 25 verses]
- Matthew 7:7
Maybe Matthew seven seven? Nope. Not seven seven. [guessed, not on the password list]
- Matthew 28:19-20
Is there anything Matthew 28 like great commission?… go forth and baptize.
- Jeremiah 29:11
Jeremiah twenty nine eleven… But I know the plans I have for you.
- Isaiah 6:8
Is there any, like, Isaiah eight six?… the hear him I send me [here am I, send me].
- Psalm 23
Psalm 23. The lord is my shepherd.
- John 1:1
John one one. In the beginning was the word, and the word was with god, and the word was god.
- Psalm 91:1
Psalm nine one [ninety-one], whoever dwells in the shelter of the most high will rest in the shadow of the almighty.
- Proverbs 31
Oh, proverbs 31. For a lady of noble character who… [listed as a common verse password]
- Acts 2:38
Acts two thirty eight, Peter replied, repent and be baptized, every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins.
- Matthew 10:16
Jesus paint. Shrewd as snake. [hosts never cite the reference; phrase from Matthew 10:16]
Key questions
- My wife can't throw anything away and it is straining our marriage; should I ask her to get genetic testing for hoarding? (dear-lftp)
- A coworker keeps eating my lunch out of the office fridge and raiding my snack drawer; how do I get her to stop? (dear-lftp)
- What does worship actually look like in daily life, beyond 'worship music'? (host-framed)
- Does it make sense for a university to let Bible students leave class if they are upset by the crucifixion? (host-framed)
- Is using Jesus's name or Bible verses as your password a problem? (host-framed)
People
- Ben Fust
- John Boova III
- David Robertson
- Wayne Stewart
- Jesse Reeves
- Brother Yun
- David
- Paul
- Jesus Christ
- Grace
Full transcript
Live from the Pathway Studios in Johnston Proper. You are live from the path.
I get things done. Work for the holy ghost. Work for the son. I am a working man. Oh, yes. I am. Am a working on Life in the Path. Here's what we got going on the show tonight. Hold on. Let me get the let me get this thing all pumped up and ready. So we have we got some advice on Dear Life From The Path,
and people still need help at start of the new year, and we're here to me and Buva here, we're we're holding down the fort. We're gonna help them out. There was a couple of news stories that I thought were interesting. There was a university allows bible students to leave class if upset by Jesus's crucifixion. What? Buva, you see that coming? No. It's a Ridiculous. It's theology students at the University of Glasgow in Scotland have been given trigger warnings and told they can leave class if depictions of Jesus Christ crucifixion are too upsetting for them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That seems ridiculous. Yeah. Yeah. So I I would agree. So we'll we'll we'll we'll let's let's check on that. We'll see what what it sounds like. Now I suppose it depends on what depiction
you're showing them. I mean, the the biblical description, I I I feel like you have to tolerate. But, I mean, maybe someone created some kinda ultra I suppose that's a very valid point when they get into, like, the the historical documents and and setups of, like, what it all meant and, like, how crucifixion would have gone within the Roman empire and stuff like that. It it gets kinda gruesome, like, admittedly,
when you start to learn a little bit more about that cultural stuff rather than just what the what the bible says. But still, like, I I don't I don't know if it needs a a broad trigger section for everybody. I mean, it's called it's called
the name of the course is creation to apocalypse introduction to the bible level one. I mean, certainly, this is gonna come up. Yeah. Exactly. I was gonna say that's that's kind of the beginning leads up to it, and then the end talks about it. Yeah. This was gonna happen one way or the other. Feel like yeah. Yeah. Okay. Alright. So we're gonna we're gonna touch on that, see what's happening. There was also there's an article on Christianity
Today said, beware of making Jesus your password. I I didn't I didn't realize that was a I didn't realize that was a thing. Like, I'm gonna honor Jesus with my Facebook password. Yeah. I hadn't I hadn't considered that. Neither did I. Or I I mean, I I guess I mean, is that ungodly of me, buvo? I don't have I was just thinking. I don't have any any passwords that are religious sounding.
Right. Am I not running the the right light if if I don't have something about, about the holy spirit and my password? Yeah. Right. Right. The wind 29, Philemon 627? Yeah. Philemon 67 is correct. Oh, man. Okay. It says the these 70 oh, they're 75. These 75 popular Christian phrases and bible verses are too predictable to secure from hackers. Oh,
man. Seriously, hold on. I'm a give some of this away. But the number five number eight entry is I love Jesus. Yes. Hey, man. I love Jesus being your password. That means there's seven more popular ones than I love Jesus?
That's scary. Here's the number seven is Jesus Christ. Now, I mean, here's the thing. I mean, I appreciate normal words. Right. And you've gone with something like Jesus Christ? Right. Do, like, do they have fives as the s's? No. It's just text. Yeah. There's one It's alpha. God is number 10. Now listen to this. There's no respectable program or website or computer god. That will let you do three letters.
Come on. That's it. Here's the deal. You are you are disguising your your laziness for for following god in that situation. Wait. There's just don't wanna remember more than a three letter password. You know, I wonder how many people are doing that out of hubris. Like, it's not referring to the lord almighty. It's like it's it's a self I suppose that's a valid point. It has to do with the fact that, like, they feel like they're the almighty rather than giving his name into something more. There's there's just some number 49 is I love Jesus, but love is spelled l u v.
Oh, that's just sad. Okay. Anyway, we'll we'll a look at that one. Alright. See how that goes. I I just I it never occurred. We'll see how it goes down. It never occurred to me to do that. Philippians four thirteen. Yeah. Phil four thirteen. I can do all things like get into this computer.
Okay. And then I can get in all computers through Christ who protects me. And then Buba Buba and I were chatting before the show, and, I think we were scraping the barrel trying to think of some stuff to talk about. And and Buba says, you know, trying to skew some pope style into the questions like, I don't know how to worship. Here's And the thing is what strikes me is a, this is probably not advice, but b, I've been having I've been having a lot of that same thought. It's like, is where where does my concept of worship come from,
and should it come from there? Right. Right? Like, in fact, I I I would wager and and apologies if I'm far far off. Right? But, like, I would wager that most of our understanding of worship
comes from a phrase like worship music Yep. Or worship time. And it gives us a specific idea of what type of events or actions or things are to go on under the the frame of worship. And, I just it just got a sense that's not, that's not right. Or it's not, it's certainly not a wide picture
and potentially in its in its shallow picture, paints much the wrong idea of what it is to worship. But but we're gonna discuss this without, with the two fellows having not put some, theological time in it. Yeah. So we're gonna chat this out a little, and then maybe that's something that we'll kinda peck away at, the life and the path pursuit of worship over the next, two or three months. And maybe we'll have, Wayne Stewart in here because he wrote a book on that. And, I I think maybe he could be helpful in that. He's a good resource. Yeah. So, anyway, let's talk through that a little bit, like, what what what you're thinking through and and, what I've been thinking about, and we'll see if that brings us anywhere. Sounds Sounds good. Okay. We'll do that, and then we'll do, like I said, some advice on dear life in the path. This week, dear life in the path or, life in the path is brought to you by me.
That's Ben Foust. You can shoot me an email at [email protected] and say thank you. I'm here to help. Hey. Thanks, Ben. It's it's no worries. So let's go back to this university. So Oh, man. Oh, wait. Wait. Bubba, did you do any did you do any New Year's resolutions? Any New Year's resolutions? Yeah. The or do you do that? Do you make resolutions like that? Here's the deal. I'm I've made many resolutions throughout the years, and I can't remember the any of them that I stuck to. Like, I've wanted to become more of an organized fella, and, like, I didn't even get organized to become organized. Like, I'm the kind of guy that for Christmas, I got a desk or I got I got a truck organizer Yeah. And it is currently sitting on a pile of stuff in my truck unopened.
And so I did that one year. That hasn't changed anything. I think I've done quit something I never did. But, like, I try not to make resolutions because I'm a firm believer. And if you wanna make something happen, you don't have to wait till the beginning of the year. You just gotta do it. No. No. True. It gives you it does give you a count point. So but but you're saying that it wasn't, that didn't happen. You didn't say anything that says, hey. 2017 is the year of mayonnaise. I I think yeah. No. It's it's certainly not the year of mayonnaise. That's gross.
I think that, if I were if I were put to it right now and ask what my New Year's resolution would probably be is I I kinda wanna get back on my health kick. I'm trying to trying to really get get skinny. I want my male modeling career to really take off in this Internet radio station I understand. Is is not helping me here because the people keep looking at me going, but, well, Booba, you seem to be the same general size you were last year. But so it'd probably be get healthier in that way and and keep losing a little bit of weight. Going to college has kinda made that stagnant.
So kinda Wait. What what what about the college life is causing you like, you like you're living on the go and eating? Yeah. I mean, I'm always well, last semester, I was in seventeen or eighteen credit hours. Yeah. And I did not realize that that was close to a full load at all. I just kinda signed up for classes, not thinking what I was doing. Right. And so it was my first time back to school in eight years. And so and and, unfortunately, for me back when I was in school, I I didn't really try. Right. So it was my first experience of actually being in an academic environment that I cared about Yeah. And was wanting to try and do homework and things like that and study. And so I was not prepared for that at all, especially not from a diet perspective because
either I was on the go to and from class or going to a different class or going to a study group or whatever. Yeah. Or I was, stressed out from either tests or, assignments or trying to keep up on everything that, that I was, I wasn't really planning out good meals or going and exercise, I was spending time, doing my homework, and then every second I wasn't doing my homework. I was either doing some bible study,
or, more prevalently on Netflix. And so Yeah. Yeah. It was, just being honest about that last bit. Yeah. No. I hear you. Right on. It was it was not a good way for me to do it. And so, everybody says the freshman 15 and stuff like that. I think I put on a freshman 60. And so, it's it was not a good deal. And so I'm trying to take back this semester and, be, be conscientious of, of my own health, get back on some medication. The good lord kinda made it happen to where I'm, I'm back on health insurance now so I could figure that stuff out. So so that's my deal. I'm I'm trying to get healthy. Okay. Figure all that out. Alright. I got it. I got it. I mean, how's is it going alright? Yeah. I mean, so so my girlfriend's been in town the last,
four or five days, so I haven't really been, on, like, the health kick of exercise and stuff like that. I've kind of just been eat wherever she wants to go or do whatever she wants to go. You have to be organized to keep, to just stay in the health? Yes. Absolutely. And so that's You're a double you're a double suck. Yeah. I see. I'm I have to fight both those battles at the same time. Yeah. Yeah. Luckily for me, my organization when it comes to health, if I get on it, is a lot better than my organization like my truck or, like, cleaning my room. You just gotta fire it up. You gotta be in the Like, I have to hit it hard, and I have to kind of, you know, I've heard the whole thing of, like, if you wanna quit a couple things, you know, you quit three things if you're trying to quit two. So when you really get stressed, you you stop quitting that third thing, and then you focus on the two. Right. I don't like that deal at all. I like to take it all head on and be intentional about what I'm doing and just just kinda nip in the bud trying to get to it. So I got a lot of weight to lose, and I got a lot of health to gain. And so
I kinda have to hit it both barrels. Okay. So you wanna be organized, and you're gonna lose weight, and you're gonna give up heroin. And I'm gonna give up heroin. Yes. And, I mean, are you and you're already succeeding on the heroin. Right. I haven't touched heroin this entire year. Yeah. So, I mean, that's what I'm saying. I you know, small victories. That's true. Yeah. Exactly. Give myself that success of no opiates this year, and I'm super excited about it. Yeah. I mean, I you don't have to go the whole year. I'll give yourself a cheat day or something. So should I be like, June is when I start opiates again? Like like, that's when it's gonna happen. Don't jack with boov on his cheat week. So we were talking on the show a little bit last week about
kind of taking control of your attention. Mhmm. Making sure that you are you know, are the things that you're doing the things you actually wanna do, or do you find yourself kinda getting sucked into either by your own laziness or other means just not doing the things that you want? And one of my examples was I like I'm constantly looking at my phone.
Uh-huh. And I don't wanna be looking at my phone, but I've also not taken any steps to control that, like, the thing dings and I give it attention. Right. And so what I did is I set a pretty heavy reading goal for myself this year. Nice. Two two books a month, and that's that's actually quite a bit for me because, like, it's it's in addition to, you know, study teaching prep and stuff on Sundays and Right. They're they also tend to be pretty thick and somewhat
dense books. I gotta I gotta vary what I'm reading. But, like, that's actually that's a pretty big commitment for me, and it it is it has been helping, actually. Just a week in, I do notice that it takes a lot of effort to control my attention and and find that when I if I pick up my phone, my my background says, you know, what what has your attention? I think to myself, oh, crap. It's the phone, and I gotta put the phone down.
Oh, nice. And it's been helpful at work. It's been helpful at home that, like, if I'm looking at the phone, it needs to be because I consciously said, you know what? I wanna look at this. Yeah. I wanna check my email, not it drug my attention away. So, anyway, so far, that's actually that's working out. It's helped me to keep kind of a study schedule that I wanted to move to, getting up a little bit earlier and and reading the way that I want. I'm on track so far. Actually, I'm I'm reading a book called Living Water by a guy by brother Yun. He was he's he was a book. There's a book called The Heavenly Man, and
it was it was about it's about a guy who was in, like, the Chinese underground church. Mean, just a ton of evangelism work in China. And he's gone through and, like, done a lot of talking and stuff to Western audiences. I mean, mean, he is an ass kicker. He's had us pegged for a while. And, and, anyway, it's very good. It's very of the way through, through,
that book. And so I would recommend it so far. And, anyway, gotta tuck that one up. So, anyway, the my my my stuff's going alright. It sounds like Boob was doing okay, staying off the heroin, moving in on the I mean, with some you've you've given up all the rest of your cheat days for the rest of the year. Yeah. Pretty much. Okay. Alright. You're in. Alright. So let let's let's go back to this university. So the question was, is it does it make sense for a university to allow bible students to leave class if they are upset by Jesus' crucifixion? Now let's let's try to give them a little bit of benefit of doubt here. It says, the daily mail reported on Wednesday that the university's decision is part of a trigger warning trend for teachers to tell students in advance about potentially upsetting material in class. The trigger warning was reportedly issued for the course titled creation to apocalypse, full colon, introduction to the bible, level one. With university documents warning that the lectures sometimes contain graphic scenes of the crucifixion,
and this is flagged up to students beforehand. Glasgow University explained this decision in a statement. We have an absolute duty of care to all of our students, and where it is felt course material may cause potential upset or concern, warnings may be given. So, you know, similar to, the the warnings on the TV, this is a TVMA. This is a university class. It's a UC 17. Uh-huh. Heads up. We're gonna be talking about the crucifixion. Right. Former moderator of the free church of Scotland, the reverend David Robertson, I wonder what those guys believe, told premier news hour that students in such courses should be prepared to encounter upsetting content. These are meant to be university students. They're meant to be the leaders of the future. They're meant to be our intelligentsia, the chaplain said. If they can't cope with basic stuff like that, then one wonders whether they should be studying at all. Hey, man. Dave Robertson is hammering. I was gonna say he's pretty adamant on that. Yeah. Dave Dave Bobson says,
you gotta know your stuff. Dave Bobson. Like, they're meant to be our intelligence. They're meant to be future leaders. Like, can't they stomach the crucifixion? Robert said the crucifixion was indeed utterly horrendous, but that does not mean that it needs to be sanitized.
It's almost comedic and laughable, actually, he says. I think my biggest problem with it is, what do you expect in the crucifixion? The cross is going to be horrible. Are you going to Disneyfy it? Well, yeah. Yeah. I mean, here's the thing. Ignore ignore the biblical connotation for just a second from a university perspective. It's freaking history. Right. It's it's what happened. Yeah. No. Absolutely. I agree with that. It's like it's like trying to censor
a historical document for so that people don't feel uncomfortable about it. Yeah. Yeah. Is which is ridiculous. Yeah. I mean and, like, I I don't know. Like, is there anybody that's taken this class at this university that has no idea that the crucifixion is gonna be part of it? Here's what I'll say, though. I think this the beginning of the or excuse me, the beginning of the article kinda started to sum it up for me. I think that this is part of a bigger push. And so I think that this is part of the bigger push of
this concept of eliminating uncomfortability within our students and the the the trying to censor certain things and offer warnings of trigger set portions
of a curricula for all classes. I think they're just pinpointing in on this one specific class. Yeah. So I think that that this is kind of a byproduct of that whole movement of if people don't want to feel uncomfortable, they have a right to eliminate that uncomfortability. And we should not subject people to uncomfortability if they are not fully aware of it and things like that. And it's I I have I'm I don't know if I'm I'm the unpopular portion on this, but that's fine. I'm willing to take a stand on this. I think it's ridiculous.
I think that we are trying to pamper our college students, our high school students, and and below possibly, and we're trying to eliminate the concept of of seeing something that may be uncomfortable. It may be something that hits you hard. Right? Like Right. No.
You do not have the right to not be uncomfortable. I'm I'm sorry if you think that you are in a place where where you deserve to constantly be in your own bubble and that no one in the world should be allowed to confront you with information that may may be mentally taxing, but you you don't have that right. Right. You don't have the right to live in that bubble and to to
be be padded from all of this. Yeah. And I think that if we continue down this path as a society, and it's not just The United States, but we certainly are a a pinpoint for it. I think it's it's happening all over the world. We are we're going to consistently create people who cannot be uncomfortable.
And then when they are in a place where they are, they shut down, and that's not productive. That's that's not gonna be a good society to be a part of. Yeah. Yeah. I suppose, like, if, like, it just isn't how the world works. Right? So, like, if you don't prepare people to have to deal with circumstances of which they're gonna run into things that otherwise are disturbing, I mean, if if everybody ran from or needed a heads up on everything that was going to be disturbing, like, one ever actually embraced disturbing things. Right. And they would be able to,
me, persist in a society because we didn't wanna be bothered by it. I I mean, it's not terribly different than, I I don't know how most of us who live in a relatively safe and secure environment interact with, things that are difficult.
Mhmm. We say, look. If we don't look at it, if we, you know, we don't live next to it, if we don't introduce that into our lives in some way or another, like, then I don't I don't have to be concerned about it, and it's not mine to deal with. And, like, if there's, you know, if there's dark, seedy things going on in the world, we could act like they don't exist. And so, like, when the crucifixion a it's a historical account. It's something that makes I mean, it's it's it's an integral to our understanding of the bible. But, like, yeah, I suppose it's this thought that says I mean, hey. Me, hey. Heads up. This is kinda gross. Like, I mean, I've said that in teaching things. Yeah. I get that.
But, like, I suppose if our expected reaction is to say, look. Know this is coming, so I don't have to take it in. There's very much a risk that we get a very sanitized version of the world, and there are some great wrongs and injustices that will continue to persist
when we do that. And as well as we miss great truths like things like the crucifixion, great understandings of sacrifice and martyrdom and people willing to die for a cause, and great change that comes from that sacrifice,
which shapes how we understand what what we do. Like, think think think of it this way. Most people, most people's reaction to some injustice they see in the world or a terrible, event that has occurred is to say, oh, good. I wanna help out. I I wanna provide support. And so they post it under the social media. Yeah. Right? I'm like, I mean It's really helpful. I hear you, but you didn't do Jack nothing. Right. Right? Like, hey,
there's refugees in countries and they hey, they need food. And I posted a link. Well, like, maybe if you donated already Right. I will hear you talk about me passing the link. But, like, let's at least recognize that that when we say we wanna help and we do things like like my thoughts are with you, I mean, you're probably not doing much. Right. Right? Like, you wanna go hug a guy and say I'm thinking about you. Okay. I'm kind of in on that. Yeah. That's that's I mean, I get it. That's putting a foot in the door. Yeah. That's you know? And and even so to take it from the the whole society thing back to this this university, and especially within this class of of an introduction to the bible and from creation to apocalypse level one is what I think you said it was called.
There is not biblical precedence for being comfortable. Like, there's just not. Like, I mean, you find you find the stories of of of the commandments of of god and of the the people that god calls to do certain things, and you you find stories of, what Jesus expects of us, and then we get the letters of, you know, what Paul was talking about within what's happening in the churches and what he's, he's charging them to do. It was never, go forth and stay comfortable. Like, it was it was never go forth and and don't look at the atrocities of the world. It was it was go and and and get your hands dirty. Like, there is there is kingdom work to be done, and that is not this this far off thing of, oh, that that kingdom work that needs to be done. That's that's a really cool concept. It's not just a concept. It is legitimate
physical, mental, and spiritual work that needs to be done. And you cannot be in a place where you were, are pampered and and or exist within this place of of you have to have triggers
built into your curricula and and go and and successfully and wholeheartedly and
recklessly love Jesus and his people. Yeah. I agree. So let's let's look at the, see what the reaction is supposed to be to this thing. They say, the trigger warnings have grown in use at a number of Scottish colleges with the University of Sterling, for instance, warning students about gender studies. Since we cannot anticipate or exclude the possibility that you may encounter material which is triggering, I e, which can trigger a negative reaction.
That's it? Trigger a negative reaction. Yeah. That's their criteria for what needs to be a a trigger. I mean, I have a negative reaction to a spleen, but I don't know. I need a heads up on it. Yeah. I just splinter, and I'm not excited about it. Yeah. I just don't care for it. And we heard splinter's possible. We heard that you take all necessary precautions to look after yourself in and around the program. Like, do that all the time. Yeah. Just you just take responsibility for your own action, and then we don't have to we don't need a special trigger. We just say, hey. Look. You're an adult. Yeah. But wait. Mind yourself. The funny thing is where does that end? Warning. Pythagorean theorem coming up. If, if triangles freak you out, it might happen. Trigger's possible. Yeah. You And where does that end? Yeah. You might have a negative reaction because this is difficult stuff, and it, frustrates you. Yeah. We urge you take all necessary precautions. Like, what what is that? Welcome to education. What the hell is the precaution? A leave blind class. Bring a blindfold? Well, like they said, you leave class. Well, says students are apparently told that you can, of course, leave a class at any time should you need to, but please check-in later that day to let us know how you are. It's like it's like a pub. Yeah. That's just ridiculous in an institution.
Oh, man. Weird. You take all necessary precautions to look after yourself in and around the program. Here you know, here's the thing. It's like and I I I get that I'm bent this direction, but, like, why does everything have to be so institutionalized? Can we like, even the way that this is written, we just sound ridiculous. Like, the the the language we use when we talk as a corporation or as a church or as a business or as an institution, I mean, like, you don't have to be so lofty above yourself. You're a group of people.
We urge you to take all necessary precautions to look after yourself in and around the program. Like, what does that even mean? You know, the funny thing is is as as a society, we have to tip to around people because if they wrote that publication incorrectly, someone would be triggered. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can't take this. That's the that's the sad part of it. Like, we and and here's the worst part is the fact that we also live in a society where if someone is triggered, that business will pay.
That institution will pay for that. Ugh. Whether that be in in in negative presence within social media or whatever you wanna call that or actual monetary pay. Like, it's it's we live in that sensitive of society because for the last fifty years, we've started to to meld towards, oh, you may be triggered soon. Be careful. Yeah. I just I mean, I don't I don't know. Welcome to the twenty first century. I don't know. I don't know about this. Alright. Hold on. We're we're leaving. We're leaving Glasgow. I can't take it.
Bye, Scotland. It's been fun. We'll move on to stronger topics like what not to do for your password. We're gonna really take a stand on this password deal, Ben. While it's a couple characters short of the recommended minimum of eight to 10, Wait. At at first glance, John 3 sixteen's 16 looks like a reasonable password.
Well, it's a couple numeric. Character short of the recommended minimum of eight to 10. It's at least mixes numbers and letters, but John 316 is not a good choice for keeping your account safe. It's the most common bible verse used as a password. According to the new analysis of a list of 32,000,000 passwords leaked in a 2009 data breach. So let's let's do mistake what it is that we're looking at. These are actual passwords taken from from a data breach. Maliciously. Yeah. So alright. So let's here we go.
And beware the power of Jesus' name for hackers. Oh, man. Another two popular choice is Jesus or variants like Jesus 777. I'm glad our our bad theology is centered around Was that a revelation play right there? Oh, man. And Jesus 143. What is that? One four three.
What am I missing? We look silly, but but moving, I don't know. Yeah. Was gonna say, is there is there something is that, like, any numbers for completion or any any numbers that would have meant anything to Jews?
No. If somebody's choosing me, we don't know. Me and boovin are stupid. Yeah. Whatever. Alright. Collectively, more than 21,000 people in the breach used the son of god's name as a password. 21000, making it the thirtieth most common password overall, a a
bit behind Tigger, which is number 22, and ahead of football, number 45. People, you learned how to make a password.
Why do we gotta act like a bunch of cavemen? You know what? Football. That's how I get in. Yeah. I like paint. Tigger. Paint. Paint. You want a password to be unguessable. If you use your life verse as your password, stop having a life verse. Read your bible, please. Save for your church's financial software. I have this one verse that means a lot to me. Yeah. And that's the only thing I've ever over. The holy spirit has done is not up to par to this one. You're opening yourself and your church to potential hacking. Oh, these are oh, tell me that churches aren't doing this. You know they are. If you do use a Bible reference or something related to Christianity as a password, be sure to include hard to guess letters, numbers, or symbols as part of it. Also,
including unrelated words or phrases. The key is to be unpredictable. Jesus paint. Shrewd as snake. That's right. Son of man football. 29, one forty three. Ancient of days. Your favorite, bible verse, which you possibly have said is the wallpaper on your phone is too easy.
Similarly, you should you should the people are doing that, aren't they? They're using it as their password and then putting it on the back of their phone. Wallpaper? Oh, man. Let's pull ourselves together. We're not being true to snakes here. Similarly, you should avoid using the names of your loved ones, especially if their names are Nicole or soccer. What? What? This is my brother's soccer?
This this article is blowing my mind. If he's Hispanic, would it be football still? It'll football. The twelfth and thirteenth most popular overall passwords in list are Nicole or soccer.
I'm flabbergasted. Below are the top Christianity related passwords from the data breach. The last column shows the number of times the password appears in list. Alright, Buva. Here we go. Let's see how many you can guess from the top 10. Oh, from the top 10? Yeah. So Jesus was number one. 21,000 people have the password So Jesus is number one? Yeah. You are I think you already said God was 10. Right? God is 10. Yeah. Okay. So there's Wait. Hold on. There's a significant drop though. Jesus is 2100638. God at number 10 is 100297. Oh, wow. That's a big deal. Yeah.
And so John three sixteen isn't in that then, the top 10? No. It's not in the top 10. Okay. So if Jesus and God, is cross in there? No. No cross. Okay. Nope.
What about spirit? Like holy spirit. No. No. That's we don't understand the holy spirit, but he's not in the top 10. Oh, nice. Yeah. Exactly. That that scares us. So we don't put it in Yeah. You know, modern evangelicals don't understand it, and reformers say he don't do anything.
So we're pretty much I was Apparently He don't make the top 10. If you don't want the hackers to mess with you, you just find the the possibly obscure portion of the Bible Yeah. And and then really break into that stuff. Yeah. Ahaz. Wow. So so Jesus and God are one and ten. Yep. Holy spirit is not in there. Cross is not in there. Are they It could be a single word or a short phrase. A short phrase. Yep. Is for god so loved in there? Nope. No. Oh, man. I can do all things?
No. Man, I am terrible at guessing. So there's a Jesus loves me at thirty. Oh. Oh, Jesus loves me at thirty? Yeah. Okay. Pastor is thirty seven? Come on, boys. Pull it together, Lee. Word pastor? Yeah. You know I mean, that's gotta be a pastor. Right. You know that's not a layman. He's like, yeah. Well, what am I never gonna forget? My profession.
Yeah. Let's make that Yeah. What about a plumber? Two Probably 29. Terrible at guessing these. What what's in the top 10? Alright. Alright. Here we go. Number two is heaven. Oh, of course. 7,222 people. Number three is faith.
Okay. Number four is blessed. Number five is Christ. Okay. Number six, I love God. Number seven, Jesus Christ.
Yep. Number eight, I love Jesus. Number nine, god is good. And then number 10? Number 10 is god. I would have laughed if number 10 would have been all the time. That would have been great. Number nine being god is good. Number 10 being all the time. All the time. Wait. Wait. Let's see what else we got here that's interesting. Shalom comes in at Shalom.
Fourteen. Oh, that's awesome. God bless. In case someone is sneezing as you enter your phone Oh. Is comes at beats Shalom at thirteen. And then gesundheit at Jesus freak is fifteen. Jesus freak? Like the DC talk song? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, man. That song was way too popular, apparently. Yeah. I didn't I didn't see that I didn't see that coming. Man, okay. Here's the deal. People, read up a little bit on password security. Like, figuring out why you think the word pastor is gonna keep you very safe
from any kind of informational attack? Jehovah's 22. Jesus C is 24. Like, abbreviated C? Oh, man. Someone's They're going sly because they're not using the whole phrase. Someone's in with Yeshua at thirty three. Okay. Kinda getting interesting there. Wait. Oh, wait. Here we go.
No. The okay. Hold on. Hold on, Boob. I wasn't I wasn't quite fair. There is the second list of the most common bible verses used as passports. Oh, okay. Okay. Alright. I'll give you another shot at these. Most common bible verses. Yeah. Top top 10. Okay. Well, John three sixteen is obviously one. Number one. Yeah. Okay. Is Phil four thirteen in there? It sure is. It's number three. Oh, yes, it is. Yep. Yes, it is, ladies and gentlemen. Let's think. Maybe Matthew seven seven?
Nope. Nope. Not seven seven. Is there anything Matthew 28 like great commission? Nope. What about Think more proverbial or bits of wisdom. I was gonna say, what's the what's the Jeremiah one that's? There you go. Jeremiah twenty nine eleven? Twenty nine eleven. There it is. But I know the plans I have for you. Yes, it is. And that was number four. I figured that'd be pretty high up there. Yep.
Is there any, like, Isaiah eight six? Nope. Because that's like is that the the hear him I send me 86 or 68 or something like that? Is there anything Isaiah in there? I've seen the list. No. No Isaiah. Okay. No. Alright. So we got John three sixteen and then Psalm 23.
The lord is my shepherd. Yep. The lord is my shepherd. There we go. We got let's see. Philippians, Jeremiah. Here we go. John one one. In the beginning was the word, and the word was with god, and the word was god. Psalm nine, whoever nine one, whoever dwells in the shelter of the most high will rest in the shadow of the almighty. Oh, interesting. I wouldn't expect that to be that high. Oh, proverbs 31.
Oh, so love my lady. For a lady of noble character who Oh, they this is bold. Acts two thirty eight, Peter replied, repent and be baptized, every one of you Wow. In the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. Well, there we go. We got some people that are trying to get on their There you go. What's their password? Wait a minute. Is there is this a oh, okay. Sorry. There's variations. Number four was JER2911.
Number 11 is Jeremiah 2911. Oh, like fully spelled out? Yeah. They're going they're going with it. You can tell that more people are lazy. Yeah. Yeah. Alright. The JER2911. Boy. I'm actually surprised there wasn't Matthew 28 in there. I thought there'd be more more go forth and baptize. No. You know, it seems that most of them are focused on, things that are personally beneficial.
It's very god does for them, like, knit them in the womb and know their, know their path. They're shallow devotional passwords. This is what they are. They really are. That's awesome. Alright. Well, anyway, change your path, for heaven's sakes. I mean, pull it together. We need to do a bible study based off of the verses that people think are very prevalent to them within, their passwords. Yeah. Yeah. That would be, yeah. I Yeah. Think This is this is this is to the mass of the the tech the checkbox Christians. Let's talk about what this means biblically, what this means culturally, and what this means really for you. Yeah. Yeah. I it would eliminate a lot of these. I we wouldn't be having these types of problems. Gonna say. Call it the password to
to actual relationship with Christ. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Alright. But so before the show, we were talking like, what what what got you thinking things like I I may not understand worship or may know how to worship? Here's the deal. So so I worship at church. Obviously, I'm involved in that, and I sing. And, you know, I'll even I'll even lift my hands up and do that kind of stealing it. It's it's not for anybody else. Like, I'll do it in the dark, and I'll do it I mean, I I love that that connection that I get with god.
But something happened recently to where I was I don't know if I was listening to something on Pandora where I kinda just turned on, like, a casting crowns radio and was digging on some songs. Yeah. So it was a combination of that. And then my girlfriend pulled something up on my YouTube, and it was this, like, eighteen minute song
that was basically three phrases, and that's it. And these people were jamming. Like, they were, like, hands held high, screaming at the top of their lungs, singing beautifully, and, like, just loving Jesus. And you could tell. Like, it wasn't fake, and it wasn't staged. And, I mean, it was it was on YouTube, and that's that's there's something to be said about that. But at the same point in time, it it it was years ago that it was recorded, but it certainly felt organic to me. Yep. And then I was at I was at a house church this weekend and and kinda saw
a non theatrical worship time. And I started started kinda thinking to myself, what does my worship look like? And how do I define it? Where does that definition come from? Right? Because
I'm completely in love and on fire for Christ, and and he's my he's my king and he's my savior, of course. But I just I feel like I'm not connecting in that way. And, you know, I've even been moved to tears listening to music, but at the same point in time, like, I feel like if every time I hear a good worship song, I move to tears, that may be indication of, a, I'm either overly emotional at that point in time, or, b, I'm just so not used to what actual worship looks like that when I see it, it brings me to my knees. And
I wanna figure out what that looks like for me on a daily basis. Like, I don't just wanna have to be shocked into good worship. Right? Like, I want I want that to be a part of my life, and I want that to be a part of of what my daily routine looks like where I'm I'm truly ascribing worth to god. And it kinda like you mentioned a little bit, not necessarily just in music. Like, it doesn't have to be a song that you're singing, and it doesn't have to be a song you're listening to. But, like,
where does that come from? And and where am I where am I to go and find that in my bible? And I I just I wanna talk to somebody who's smarter than me and knows more about this from what is worship supposed to look like. Like, what does God want from me, and and what should I be expecting from God in that? Yeah. It's it's it's interesting. Like I noted earlier with that you're talking about this because it it's been something that I've been thinking about,
a lot lately, which is is is understanding like, I mean, there's there's broad theological perspectives on on what this is. And I I I think that's why I land on most stuff. I think some of the it's it's right in some means. I don't it's not a complete
emotional roller coaster for the sake of being an emotional roller coaster. Right. But I I I'm not sure like, I think we pick and choose when we when we look at worship and we get comfortable with kind of the restraint to bring glory to God. Like, I mean, just just I mean, the the the variety that comes out of David. Like, here's the deal. If we can nail worship like David worships, and he is a lamentor, and he is a celebrator, and he is a dance naked, and he is a solemn Bring out his lute kinda deal? Yeah. You know, like, he's just a
you know, I feel like in fear of going too far, we don't go far enough. We're we're not free enough to to to really kind of live a life that otherwise, glorifies
God, assigns worth to God, celebrates that, and and and and is part of it. And, I mean, in part of it, not that the worship is directed towards us, but, like, it is it is one of the gifts of God that we get to be part of kind of celebrating, who he is, what he's created, what he has done,
and that kind of thing. And so, you know, it's just it's difficult because I think we are,
presented with oh, I forgot the right the right word to describe it. But, like, we tend to define things by what they shouldn't be as opposed to actually diving in and figuring out, like, what does this actually what does this actually look like? And how do I how do I live a life of worship? Like, it is certainly beyond, it is certainly beyond a specific time, a specific environment, a single element. Right. It is it is certainly bigger than that. And maybe we're doing a crappy job as communities of believers
boxing that in so much. Like, you know, saying, like, this is this is what we need to have. We need to have this. We need to have a guy or someone who plays the guitar because we need to to do worship. Like, can you can you do worship? Just kinda could you do can you do differently? Because, like, if if our whole lives can reflect this, why is well, a very miniscule aspect is what's represented communally. And I get there's some things I can, you know, that translate communally and some things that don't.
But it's interesting to think of how narrow our perspective is. Like, when we say worship time, we have such a such a stale concept of it only because it is so limited. And I'm not I just I'm not sure scripturally that that that is our what our limitation is. And it frankly doesn't make sense on the attributes and the types of things that we are ascribing to God, that that the means and the method is is so limited. So I I just wonder without having an answer, I'm not saying I desire more because I am spiritually unfulfilled.
I'm saying, like, if there is if there is a greater expanse to otherwise engage with God in that way, in such a way that is a gift for us to do so, do we need to make sure that our cultural environment has not otherwise limited it? And to that extent, we need to tear down limitations and engage with God broader if if that's available. But I'd like it'll take a little work because I because, again, I think our our our concept of worship can get very much distorted,
either when it's not about God or, when we restrict it to the extent that that says, like, you don't, we just we feel too confined. And I get that there's just there's risks to to that type of conversation. I'm just saying, like, I I've heard people talk about like, it's just stale. Like, it doesn't the things that we're saying doesn't match at all our attitude towards the worship. Right. Right? Like like, it just you know, in our in our protection
of how we interact with God in worship, we're we're we're not honestly interacting with God at all. And I think that's like, that seems to stink. And and, again, I unless you're gonna write off unless you're gonna write off David as an anomaly,
as if he doesn't he doesn't have the right line on this type of thing. And, like, it's these are just there's emotional connections to things that are going on. I I our our interaction with God is not devoid of emotion. God himself is emotion. The spirit certainly seems to provide or work with that. So, like, I don't know. It's something that I've been thinking about too, I think it's largely because I don't have a I don't have an inner concept of it. Right? Like, I have a firm commitment to true things that there are things that drive me. It's it's that's a direct application to the things God has me doing in my life.
But beyond that, I I don't know that I have a I feel like I'm a little bit without without a compass when it comes to understanding worship, to engaging in worship, and, and and and and taking it holistically.
And I think that, that's just something I'd I kinda like to explore and then you know maybe it refines, maybe expands, I don't know. So I don't know if you guys are having any thoughts on that or if it's something that you've gone through or you have recommendations for Boov and I we'd like to we'd be interested shoot us an email at info live from the path dot org and we can we can take a read through them or listen. I actually have a there's a video that a guy named Jesse Reeves did at a worship conference. I wanna say it's be year and a half ago, two years ago by now. And I thought it was really, really interesting. Not I'm not worship leader myself, but I thought the discussion was very interesting when it comes to understanding worship and, like, how you what we're actually bringing people to. So maybe we'll maybe we'll post that link on on the Facebook and Twitter and stuff. You guys can maybe you'll take a look at it or take a take a listen and see if you have any feedback for that. Because it was an interesting perspective coming from a guy like that who's a worship leader. He's also written or been co writer on on really, really popular songs. And to see him kind of engage with
worship in that way was very interesting because that stuff kinda weighs heavier on him than a guy like me who just kinda sits in the sits in the pew. You know? So, anyway anyway, that's interesting discussion. Booy, don't any other thoughts on that? I'm I'm excited, to be honest with you, because I I think that that's you're right. It's it's not a place where
I'm I'm coming from spiritual unfulfillment in worship. I just I want to I want to expand my knowledge on that because I feel like, you know, I'd I certainly have a prayer life, but I love when I learn more about what prayer looks like and and what that is. And I feel like I have the same thirst for that with worship too. You know? I I I crave that that relationship
with my father, and I wanna know more about what that looks like. And from a biblical perspective, you know, I don't worship like David. And if God saw fit to put that in there that that this is what his worship looked like, why can't I figure out how to emulate that? Yeah. So, yeah, I if you again, if you have any thoughts on that or if you have possible personal personal journeys that you've done, whether that be through scripture where you're reading through and trying to find out what worship looks like or through personal interaction with with people. You know, please send us an email at info@lifefromthepath. We'd love to hear your stories and and read that a little bit for for the sake of getting to know you more because we always love that, but also for the sake of of of working together in fellowship to to
really figure out this relationship that we have with our father. So please hit us a line. Yeah. Yeah. Sounds good. Alright. Let's do a quick, dear life from the path. It says, dear life from the path, my wife and I and our 13 year old son live in a nice home. We've been remodeling for the last eight years. Holy cow. Eight years worth of remodeling. You're not remodeling. You're rebuilding. That's that's crazy. The problem is my wife has a hard time getting rid of anything, and she constantly brings home new projects that take up space but never get done. At one point, we hired a professional organizer because we had reached the point of having goat trails as the only means of navigating our way around the house. Wow. We also have a barn that is chockablock full.
I've heard that the root cause may be due to an anomaly on a chromosome. How should I approach my wife about getting some genetic testing done? They do a testing for What? Hoarding? That's a lit that was the that wasn't you. No. No. No. No. No. It says her mom is also a professional pack rat. I see. The clutter is taking its toll on our relationship. We are in marriage counseling and on our family. We have so much stuff I can't breathe. What you what you think, booba? Wow. First off, I did not know that that was on a chromosomal level that there's a there's a gene for for hoarding. I had no idea. That is certainly something I've never heard of and will definitely be looking into now because that sounds interesting.
Okay. So first off, I'm partially excited to hear that you were in marriage counseling for that. Like, I'm not excited that you're in marriage counseling, but, I mean, it makes me think that you are having conversations because, normally, when we're having these conversations with with with the dear life and the paths, a lot of it can just be solved by simple communication. So
that certainly shows evidence that you've tried that, and that's good. If you've had that conversation with your wife and that is something that is bothering you, that's there's something to be said for grace for your wife, but there's also something to be said for compromise within the relationship. But, yeah, I I don't know if if there's any easy way to approach your wife about genetic testing
for something that that she may hold dear about herself and that you don't like. I honestly don't know if that's even worth it to try. Now I I don't I don't understand. Like, what of all the the things that you can do, what came to this conclusion where you said, you know, we're in the middle of counseling. Uh-huh. And, we've been married for years. And you know what I think 13 year old kid. I think it's a chromosome issue. We should do genetic testing. Well, Amy Amy, here's the deal. Let's let's say you do do that. You you have the conversation with your wife.
You say, sweetheart, I think there's something wrong with you genetically that is that is causing this to to be kind of a bane in in in my life. I I wanna get this genetic test done. Let's say you find out it's a gene. Yeah. What are gonna do from there?
Like, there's it's not like you're gonna do gene therapy to make her not a hoarder. Yeah. That's true. Nothing goes away. Right? No medication is going to change her genetic makeup. That's not gonna happen. So all you're gonna know is possibly a hurtful thing about your wife. And I don't think there's any way to really come at that from a loving perspective. What you're looking for is answers
for something that bothers you. Yeah. So so, yeah, that's a good point, Bubba, because, like, if it confirms that it's a genetic problem, does that mean you didn't accept it? And then, what, your marriage things go away? Like, the only problem here was you were blaming her as if shit was intentional, but as long as it's not intentional and it's coming from a genetic disposition
I mean, people have heart disease genetically. Yeah. Exactly. And they still have to do something about it. In that case, it sounds like you should just act like that to begin with. Rather than going and getting the genetic testing, have some grace for your wife. If you think there's even a possibility that it's out of her control, be loving. Be be be
supportive in a way to try and work through that and not just maybe I'm drawing an inference here, but possibly selfish from, hey. There's a problem in our marriage, and I want it fixed. I'm gonna figure out what's wrong with her and why that's caused. Yeah. Like, that's that's not a loving thing to do. That's a that's a that's a thing that you're trying to justify, why you're upset about this. Yeah. I mean, like, it's reasonable to be upset about it. I mean, you gotta get a big house and And that's obnoxious. That's and a bunch of crap all over your place. I mean, I get it.
So called goat trails. That sounds awful. Yeah. I mean, I I would just say, like, you've you've taken the right steps so far. I dropped the genetic testing bit. I think it's not relevant. Right. I mean, and even if it is relevant, like, you're still gonna have to go through therapy or whatever to try to help her out. So I would just god bless you, man. Keep on keeping on. You're gonna have to love your wife through this. Yeah. Mean about it. Give it to god. And here's the deal. If it's a compulsion, like, it doesn't mean that it's that it's beneficial for her either. Like, people that have compulsions like that don't tend to love them. Right. They just have them. Yep. They exist. Yeah. So so yeah. Yeah. I mean, you're you're in you're fighting the good fight, and you just need to reorient your attitude and say, look. I'm I'm sticking this out for the long haul. Counseling, here I come. Yep. You started out in the right way. Keep down that path. Communication is key. Yep. Let's see.
Secular says, it is interesting that your wife's mother also has this problem. No. It isn't. No. No. No. Sounds like a learned behavior. That's It's There's two sides of that It's chromosome. End coin there. Hoarding is related to obsessive compulsive disorder, which can run-in families and has been known to be associated with depression, anxiety, and bipolar disorder. Yeah. Again, people do things that they don't like to do. It it starts to really bother them. Right. It couldn't hurt if your wife had genetic testing done, but the suggestion might be better coming from the marriage counselor rather than from you. Because if she hears it from you, you might she might become defensive or resistant. Or hurt.
Yeah. Because you're blaming her genetics for something that upsets you. And there's there's really no way to predict that. Actually, it might be I mean, here's the deal. She might actually look at that better and say, least it's something that I it's it's false, but it's something that I can't control as opposed to something that I choose to do that just pisses you off. Yeah. So I mean Maybe. Okay. But it may. But here's thing. It depends on the nature of your relationship. Like, that's how I play a stranger. Right. That's how I play, like, someone who I barely know who I'm trying to get and figure out how do I deal with them as opposed to someone who I'm married to. Yeah. You could be pragmatic about that. You can it's it's factual. You don't have to deal with that. But I feel like the relationship with someone you're married to, it's much more seated in emotion. And so that'd be a difficult conversation. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Here we go. Let's do let's do one more. Yeah. Dear life from the path. I've worked at the same small company for twenty five years. All but one of the employees have been with this company for more than twenty years. Grace has been here only three years. She is pleasant, funny, trustworthy, and easy to be around. However, she never brings her own lunch.
If something is in the refrigerator, she feels it is fair game to eat it. What? If I bring something she wants, she will come up to me, take the bag, and ask, what's for lunch this week? Then
The audacity of this woman. I keep snacks in my desk, and she knows which drawer I keep them in. When I reach for something to hold me over, sometimes the drawer will be empty, and the bag will be on her desk or in her trash. It infuriates me.
I have made subtle comments on how this upsets me. I have progressed to no longer bringing my lunch. Holy cats, you're being dominated by this woman. You really are. I know she can afford her own lunch. She earns more than I do and doesn't have children or a mortgage. Alright. How do I tell this woman to keep her hands off my lunch and snacks? Wait a minute. Okay. She described her as pleasant, funny, trustworthy Uh-huh. And easy to be around. It sounds like this woman just reached for a a dictionary of nice adjectives about someone
and then wrote them down so that she didn't seem like she was just calling this woman off. Yes. That's exactly what happened. That's ridiculous. Okay. Alright. Here's the deal. Grace needs to figure this deal out because this is ridiculous. Like, I I do not know of any situation where I see in a a grown person that that has a full time job and makes good money and in the right mind goes and just takes a bunch of people's food Yeah. And feels alright about it. I don't know if that was just how she was raised or what, but this woman either does not care at all
or this is just normal to her. Either way, both of those things are solved with a conversation possibly solved with a conversation. Here's what I will say, though. This is the unpopular opinion. I know that. But there's there's part of this to where you can kinda just have grace about this and and double up on your snacks. Now that's a very, very graceful thing to do. I'm not saying get taken advantage of, but it's it's a loving thing to do. It's nice.
Well, here's the deal. It's only taken advantage of if you ain't giving it away. Right. Exactly. And that's what I'm saying is if you bring a giant bag and say, hey, Grace. I noticed that every time I reach for a a thing of a saltines or a thing of crackers, right, whatever, they were all gone. So I doubled up on them. How about you bring them next time when they're all out? I think that's a fair thing to say, and maybe she'll go, yeah. That sounds great. And then you solve the whole problem. Or she goes, no. You feed me. And that's a weird conversation to have with a grown woman. I don't I I
partially hope that because I I really want you to be confronted with a woman that goes, yeah. That's a logical way for us to figure this out is we both bring snacks. But, no, you bring my snacks. Somehow this office building is turned into hungry hungry hippos. I don't know. That is my white deed. I would like it going forward. Yeah. You can you could suggest that of, hey. Let's have a communal snack basket. Right? Yeah. And so every month, this is Sally's month. She brings the snacks for this month or, know, now it's it's Annabelle's turn or whatever. You you work that out. That would that would certainly make sense to me. Yeah. But from a lunch thing, like, day she walks in and steals your lunch, I don't know if that's being a blessing. You could probably bring in two Lunchables,
but you could also go, hey. Is there something going on where where you're not bringing in your lunch? Are you forgetting to do so? And try and have that conversation, but I I it doesn't sound like that's gonna go very Yeah. I I what she's acting doesn't make any sense. How do I tell this woman to keep Keep your hands off my legs? Yeah. Mean, it looks like you've prepared a sentence that adequately represents your circumstance. You're just too
He's never dealt with this. Right? Like, they said that this gal has only been here for a couple of years, and everyone else has been here for twenty plus. Here's the That 17 of of a normal routine being interrupted by this gal. Yeah.
But I don't understand the relevance to that that point of fact. Is it I mean, what if she was here fifteen? Either. Like, what Well, apparently, they're willing to go three years in it and then send a letter rather than getting frustrated three months. Yeah. Like, three months of a woman not bringing stealing mine. I wouldn't handle that for three days. I'd go, here's the deal. That power
you some tomorrow, but don't make it so that I don't have food today so that you can have food today. That is an You need to have a conversation with this gal, and you also need to bring in double up stuff just to love on her. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's yeah. Either way, just deal just deal with it. Like, letting it go is just foolishness. Right. Either either double down and say say, look, I now what if she brings her double what if she takes the full double portion? I would laugh hysterically.
Here's the deal. If that is a legit situation that happens to where this gal now steals both chunks of meatloaf from you, like, there may be something pathological here where that gal just does not like you. Right. No. That's a good point. But that that's actually how you get to the bones of this thing. Yeah. Is you show up with double portions for a week. And if she takes both double portions, you're not dealing with someone in the right thoughts. Like, they're ridiculous, and you need to approach said ridiculous person. And if she goes, oh, hey, man. Thanks for the doubles. Like, it opens up a good chance to at least have a conversation with someone who's like, hey. How come you take my lunch? And how come you're taking both the doubles to leave me with nothing? Because, like, this is weird. Right. I brought two chunks of meatloaf and two scoops of mashed potatoes that obviously are they were in different Ziploc, sweetheart. Like, you could've you could've just grabbed the one and then be done with it, but you have now grabbed both Yes. Intentionally. She's outrageous.
Yeah. But, yeah, you just bring here's the deal. Even out of pure curiosity, you bring that up. Hey, mother Mary full of grace. How come you taking all the food out the fridge and you into my snack drawer and acting like it's no thing? Like, why is this happening at all? Right. And then not a rational thing for an adult to do. And she says, oh, I thought we all just shared food. I said, oh, that's that's great. Yep. Yeah. I I'm willing to share with you, but I would appreciate if you ask so that I know when food is leaving so I can buy more. That and contribute. Yeah. And then my you know, maybe you bring some meatloaf every once in a while. And now you got a potluck deal going on. You don't even have a mortgage, you slimy weasel. Yeah. Exactly. You don't have no kids Make a roast and bring it in for everybody with your free time. Rib from you, money. It's your fault I got married and have kids and bought a house. Right. Exactly. My financial situation is entirely on you. She doesn't even have a mortgage. I'm angry at her financial freedom. You know, I you know, people like this. You they don't even have a family to take care of like you didn't have any choices. So Right. Exactly. You don't want kids? Don't have kids. I look at people and say, hey, man. If you want a family, don't have one yet. That's too bad. I hope you get one. Not, hey. I'm burdened with my family. Yeah. Exactly. Why can't I live the freewheeling lifestyle you got with all the pot roast and everything? Why did the lord bless me with children?
Alright. What sec can we say about the deal? Let's see. I don't know. We got all hosed off. I'm not paying attention anymore. Alright. Here we go. How trustworthy can Grace be if she steals your food? Okay. Good. We're we're bored of that. The adjective list. When her outrageous behavior and petty thievery started, you shouldn't have hinted. You should have told the woman to keep her hands off your lunch and out of your desk drawers. Petty thievery. Fever. Yeah. I mean, I don't need you don't have to get all nasty about it. Just Right. Hey. Maybe you don't understand the culture here. Wernest isn't Agrabah. You don't just take what stuff off the street carts and give it to your monkey friend. Alright? Alright. If didn't
respect your wishes, you should have reported it to your supervisor. Oh, yeah. That's adult. Hey. Hey, Hey,
Manny. Grace keeps stealing my meatloaf. I have a snack drawer, and then it this is that spells office space. That's the have you seen my stapler? Like, that's that guy. Exactly. Boy, that's embarrassing. That's bad advice. Secular, you were awful today. It's still not too late to do that. Oh, good. You can still get it in. Yeah. Call the employee assistance hotline. That is that is the worst possible way you can do that. Man.
And I suggest that if there isn't a policy in your company handbook oh, this is making me sick. Perpeting pertaining to this kind of pilfering, that one be included. Here's the deal. If there's a policy in your handbook because of this type of pilfering, you work in the wrong business. You
gotta get out of there. Okay. So here's here's okay. So to comment on Secular's deal. So I worked at the call center, and, we had to have a camera, like a security feed camera installed in front of our refrigerator
because people kept stealing people's lunches. I kid you not. Like, that was a legitimate conversation I had to have with a classroom of adults. I had to go, alright, guys. Here's the deal. Someone has stolen Dennis's Walmart sack that had his Lunchables in him, and he's upset. And now we are going to look back at security feeds, and we sat there as a management team and watched security feeds for the right Walmart bag that we could figure out who it was that was stealing the lunch. Were they in your class? No. It wasn't in my class. Oh, good. Someone who had worked there for a while. It was ridiculous. I thought to myself, there's no way that I live in corporate management where I have to sit amongst a group of adults watching security feed of adults
walking up to a community fridge and grabbing food that isn't theirs and going, well, that's not my egg salad, but it certainly is now. No, man. Yeah. It's ridiculous. That is. And and like I'm saying, like, here's the deal. In fact, this is a good way to start off your 2017. You're looking for a new job. You go in there and say, look. And what's the salary? And can I read your handbook? And if they have something like, hey. You're not allowed to steal other people's food that doesn't belong to you. Walk away. Yeah. You know that that is a persistent problem in that culture that they had to put it in the book, and this is not the place to work. Right. Exactly. There's certain things that everybody knows. Like, you do not have to put in the handbook. Don't punch everybody in the face because it's a weird deal. No peeing in the recycle bin there. There was a punch in the face Pete that worked there at one point in time. Yeah. Walked around and was like, hey. Good morning. Happy Monday. How was your Sunday? You know, actually, and that that means bad management too because they look at Pete. They look at Pete and say, this is not just a one off situation. This is a product of our culture, and we like it. And it's gonna happen more often. And and this is gonna continue. We're not gonna do anything to stop it, but we're just gonna tell you a heads up that it goes on. Yeah. HR and the legal team have to step in and go, hey. Don't punch people in the face, Pete. It's in the handbook. We we have documentation that says we could fire you for punching people in the face. You agreed to this code of conduct before you started here. And take off your Budweiser shirt. You've been listening to live from the path. Thanks for hanging out with us. We really do appreciate it. Again, shoot us a it feels like we're getting desperate on the email, but maybe I just wanna hear from you. Wanna have a digital We care about you. A digital hug.
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