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Live From The Path · Season 2017, Episode 9

The Fish Factory

Recorded · 1:34:52 · 20,610 words transcribed

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Topics covered

  • The Fish Factory — A Des Moines-area ministry combining an arts & crafts consignment store, used bookstore, and coffee shop into a relational 'safe space' for the Northside/Highland Park neighborhood. ≈ 0:01
  • Incarnational ministry — 'Missional incarnational' approach: long-term relational presence among neighbors; 'show them Jesus before we tell them about Him'. ≈ 4:18
  • Nonbiblical signs of the apocalypse (game) — Recurring show game: the hosts react to current news stories and vote whether each is a 'nonbiblical sign of the apocalypse' — something the Bible doesn't name as an end-times trigger but that suggests the world is going wrong. ≈ 0:01
  • Food idolatry and addiction — Boova's testimony about food as an emotional addiction and an idol displacing God, and a 30-day reset that reoriented his cravings toward prayer. ≈ 0:01
  • Surrender and dependence on God — Handing God every withheld 'room' of life; freedom found in full trust rather than 95-percent faith. ≈ 47:10
  • Addiction recovery — Celebrate Recovery and the view that addictions of every kind reduce to the same heart-need for Jesus. ≈ 1:10:13
  • Dating and honesty — Dear LFTP advice on when a widowed woman dating again should disclose her wig and alopecia. ≈ 1:19:16
  • Hospitality etiquette — Dear LFTP advice on whether asking guests to remove shoes in a new house is tacky or rude. ≈ 1:12:30
  • Aging parents — Dear LFTP advice on an elderly father eating grocery-dumpster food; possible dementia; the freegan trend. ≈ 1:27:55
  • The gospel call — 'Repent and believe in the gospel' (Mark 1:15) as the show's answer to end-times anxiety. ≈ 37:39
  • Musical guests — Past in-studio musical performances referenced on air (Michael Everton, Driven Eleven, Egypt Ali). ≈ 44:41

Segments

  • Show open and episode agenda 0:01–4:18
    A host opens the show from the Pathway Studios in Johnston proper and lays out the night's agenda: in-studio guests Jeff and Nancy Hanna discussing their ministry the Fish Factory, a return of the 'nonbiblical signs of the apocalypse' game after a four-to-five-year hiatus, a 'Buva be talking' segment in which Boova discusses food, faith, and the Whole30, and Dear LFTP advice. The hosts joke about Facebook 'voyeurizing' the Fish Factory's page.
  • Interview: Jeff and Nancy Hanna and the Fish Factory 4:18–15:46
    Guests Jeff and Nancy Hanna describe the Fish Factory, a Des Moines ministry combining an arts and crafts consignment store, a used bookstore, and a coffee shop into a 'safe space' for relationship-building. Jeff recounts receiving the vision while mowing his lawn in Akron, Ohio in 2010, trying to start it in Akron and Columbus before opening in October 2015 in the Northside/Highland Park neighborhood. Nancy details regular events — Wacky Waffles, a monthly community dinner, open mic night, and a casual worship gathering — and their 'missional incarnational' philosophy of showing people Jesus before telling them about Him, including how the ministry adapted to welcome neighbors dealing with mental health issues.
  • Announcement: Fish Factory ladies-night testimony event 15:46–17:41
    Nancy announces an upcoming Fish Factory ladies-night event: a young widow from Ohio, whose husband died in a car accident within a month of their wedding, will share her story 'tragically transformed' on Tuesday the 28th, doors at 6:30 PM. Jeff jokes he will serve as the event's security. The hosts confirm the event is open to all ladies.
  • Fish Factory details, cribbage, and Boova's sunrise song 17:42–20:56
    The hosts plug the Fish Factory on Facebook and cover practical details: hours (Tuesday-Friday 8:30-1, Saturday 9-3), free first drinks, plain black coffee sourced from Freedom for Youth, and the ever-open cribbage and checker boards. Boova is teased into singing the two-line seventh-grade mnemonic song he wrote to remember that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, which earned him an A on the test.
  • Nonbiblical signs, story 1: facial-recognition toilet paper 20:57–30:01
    After a brief bit about an old Dan promo, the hosts open the 'nonbiblical signs of the apocalypse' game with story one: Beijing's Temple of Heaven Park is using facial-recognition machines to dispense two feet of toilet paper at a time, with a nine-minute wait for more, after an investigation found 30 rolls stolen daily. The panel riffs on the economics, the nine-minute wait, government surveillance fears, and ways to game the machines with disguises. Jeff votes apocalypse, Nancy votes normal times, Boova says only if it goes worldwide, and Dan calls it a sign of overpopulation and sinful nature — end times only if Christians get cut off.
  • Nonbiblical signs, story 2: should a chimp be a legal person? 30:01–37:38
    Story two: a New York appeals court is being asked whether chimps Tommy and Kiko are legal persons with habeas corpus rights, argued by attorney Steven Wise of the Nonhuman Rights Project after an Argentinian judge ruled chimps have such rights. Discussion spirals into a tangent about renting a monkey for a party for $48, monkey-vs-ape distinctions, and buying monkeyparty.com. The panel's verdict is 'more time' — not an apocalypse sign yet, unless personhood goes worldwide.
  • Nonbiblical signs, story 3: celebrity flat-earthism 37:39–44:40
    Story three: Shaquille O'Neal says the world is flat and satellite imagery could be faked, joining Kyrie Irving and rapper B.o.B in celebrity flat-earthism. The conversation detours through seventh-grade geography, mall-based directions in Des Moines, and societal regression toward the Tower of Babel. The game closes with the show's answer to end-times anxiety — 'Repent and believe in the gospel' (Mark 1) — with callbacks to the toilet-paper robots and monkey facial recognition.
  • Transition: past musical guests and Buva be talking intro 44:41–47:09
    Coming back from the game, a host points listeners to past show clips and in-studio musical performances — Michael Everton from the prior week, Driven Eleven the week before, and Egypt Ali — on lifefromthepath.org, then introduces the 'Buva be talking' segment and hands off to Boova.
  • Boova's testimony: food as idol, running to the Father 47:10–1:10:13
    Boova shares an extended testimony about food as an idol and emotional addiction: peaking over 640 pounds at 19-20, losing his parents, binge eating in secret, and his father's fatal heart attack at 44. After his girlfriend's family introduced him to a Whole30-style 30-day reset about 45 days earlier, he began running to God in prayer, worship, and Scripture whenever cravings hit — losing nearly 40 pounds and, more importantly, experiencing a dependence on God he had never known. He names his motivation — wanting to marry his girlfriend, who is running part of an orphanage in Madagascar — and invites listeners to contact him via his Troy Engledinger Twitter handle or [email protected].
  • Celebrate Recovery endorsement 1:10:13–1:12:29
    A host echoes Boova's testimony with an endorsement of Celebrate Recovery, a church-adjacent recovery program he has been sitting in on: it takes any issue, not just classic addictions, because every problem refines down to a heart that needs Jesus. He argues pornography, heroin, food, and other addictions mold into the same core struggle over time, and urges anyone whose hang-up keeps them from Jesus to find a group within 30 miles.
  • Dear LFTP: is asking guests to remove shoes tacky? 1:12:30–1:19:15
    Dear LFTP letter one: a listener building a new house with young children asks whether it is tacky or rude to ask visitors to remove their shoes to protect new flooring. The panel says no — check for shoes piled at the door, warn guests in advance, keep spare slippers or disposable booties, and don't spend money on floors you will stress over. The letter cites the Japanese custom of removing shoes, and the discussion devolves into 'house shoes' versus slippers and Jeff's $85 house shoes.
  • Dear LFTP: widow with alopecia asks when to disclose her wig 1:19:16–1:27:54
    Dear LFTP letter two: a 57-year-old widow of 23 years with alopecia, now wanting to date, asks when to tell a man that her wig and makeup are not what they seem. The hosts advise being honest when she feels comfortable — not on date one, but not waiting until the wedding — arguing any 60-year-old man should understand presented appearances. The letter's 'secular advice' (tell him when he is about to run his hands through your hair) is roundly mocked as creepy, and a host closes with a story of his grandmother cycling through Golden Girls wig styles after cancer treatment.
  • Dear LFTP: elderly father eating dumpster food 1:27:55–1:32:41
    Dear LFTP letter three: a listener's father in his early 80s has taken to eating produce he finds in grocery-store dumpsters and now plans to cook dumpster food for a family gathering. The panel's advice: see a neurologist, since this may be early dementia rather than stubbornness, and insist he disclose the food's origin. A PS about 'freegans' (free + vegan) rescuing food behind markets — with a Paris restaurant serving it — is itself nominated as a nonbiblical sign of the apocalypse; the secular advice is to alert relatives if the father will not disclose.
  • Show close: Fish Factory plug and sign-off 1:32:42–1:34:32
    Show close: thanks to Jeff and Nancy Hanna and the Fish Factory, a final plug for the Fish Factory DSM Facebook page and the upcoming Tuesday-the-28th ladies-night event. A host urges listeners to 'employ the principle' — commit long term to relationships and meet people where they are — and signs off with the show's catchphrase: 'be faithful in the means; God will handle the ends.'

Bible references

  • Mark 1:15

    Repent and believe in the gospel.

  • Matthew 24:8

    I'm gonna call this on labor pain.

  • Genesis 11:1-9

    You're three months from rebuilding the Tower Of Babel.

  • John 6:35

    Did you know that Jesus is the bread of the life?

  • Isaiah 6:8

    the whole here am I, send me thing

Key questions

  • Is it tacky or rude to ask visitors to remove their shoes in a new house with young children? (dear-lftp)
  • When should a widowed woman with alopecia tell a man she is dating about her wig? (dear-lftp)
  • What should be done about an elderly father who eats grocery-dumpster food and plans to serve it at a family gathering? (dear-lftp)
  • Is facial-recognition toilet paper in China a nonbiblical sign of the apocalypse? (host-framed)
  • Should chimpanzees be treated as legal persons with habeas corpus rights? (host-framed)
  • Is celebrity flat-earthism a nonbiblical sign of the apocalypse? (host-framed)

People

  • Guest: Jeff Hanna
    In-studio guest from the Fish Factory, a Des Moines-area ministry (arts & crafts consignment store, used bookstore, coffee shop)
  • Guest: Nancy Hanna
    In-studio guest from the Fish Factory
  • Boova
  • Jeff Hanna
  • Nancy Hanna
  • Shaquille O'Neal
  • Kyrie Irving
  • B.o.B
  • John Kincaid
  • Steven Wise
  • Tommy
  • Kiko
  • Carmen Presti
  • Bob Cohn
  • Michael Everton
  • Egypt Ali
  • Judge Reinhold

Full transcript

Live from the Pathway Studios in Johnston proper. You are live from the Path. And you're listening to Live From The Path. We're coming from the, Pathway Studios here

at Johnston Proper. Hi. It's good to be with you. Here's the deal. Here's what I here's what I decided on tonight. What's up? So so, Buva, do you recall that I'm trying to even think. Were you on the show? Dan Dan should remember. Dan, you remember the last time we did the game nonbiblical

signs of the apocalypse? Was a long time ago. I mean, it's like I mean, like Years. Four or five years. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So we're doing that tonight. I've I've been looking for science ever since. I think I was here for that because I remember I remember going through some of that. Here's here's the deal. It's gonna be a great show. Here's what we got going on the show tonight. Jeff and Nancy Hannah are are in, the studio. Hello? Hey. This one gets weird as I can I can barely see you? So they're gonna be talking about the the fish factory. Lots of cool stuff going on. This is here in in the Des Moines area, and I I just I've been kind of Facebook voyeurizing their establishment. That's creepy. And I know. But I yeah. I'm too creepy. To say it out loud too. It's one thing to do with It's another thing to go yeah. I'm a I'm a creeper. I'm legitimizing it tonight, am I not? I know. That's a valid point. No. If you here's the deal. If you, oh, if you ask if you look at the lady across the street and think, oh, I wish I could date her and then eventually ask her out, then it was just preparatory work. Man, there's nothing that's not creepy about this. No. Hold on. That you're using. I'm gonna straighten this out. Okay.

My wife is still creeped out of the fact that I had pictures of her on my bulletin board before she knew me. What That's before the interwebs. Come on. Guys, did it any Did it noncreepy things about us? Did it not work out, Nan? Well, it it did, but The I'm still creeped out about measure of success does not make the creepiness not Anyway, the fish factory was on my bulletin board before we met. So so anyway, we're going to we're going to hear more about The Fish Factory, more about, that ministry. I'm excited to hear from them. We're going to do, non biblical signs of the apocalypse. So this is where, I give you a relatively current story in the news. And, see, here's the deal. The Bible doesn't lay everything out. And and frankly, you've heard me talk about,

my end times theology. It doesn't even fit the preposition of the game. However, I'm going to give you a news story, and we'd be like, you know what? The Bible really doesn't say this is what triggers the end of the world, but I feel like we might be on the way there. Something wrong with the world. Alright? So so we'll talk about those, and we'll see if we feel like these are indicate non biblical signs of the apocalypse, and and we'll go from there. Also, Buva be talking. Buva Buva has give us a little preview on this week's Buva Be Talking. So in the last forty five days or so, I it's people who have listened to the show for for quite a while know that I've been dealing with being a big guy pretty much my whole life. Right? Like, I've I've been overweight and all the good stuff, been unhealthy, and and it's not just like,

an obesity thing. Like, it's a it's an unhealthy relationship with food and, like, an emotional attachment to food where I should have an emotional attachment to God. And it's become an idol within the last, last year probably really hard, and it's it's killing me. And so, kinda by the grace of God and the grace of my girlfriend's family, they kinda started out and talked to me a little bit about this thing called the Whole30. And I'm not gonna talk about the dietary restrictions and all the good stuff, but I wanna talk about what's, the last forty five me days has meant to me, when it comes to my relationship with me and Jesus, versus just, my relationship with food. And so Boof will be talking about that kind of stuff. All right. Right. Boof is converting to be a Levite, and he's going tell us more about it.

All right. So let's oh, and we have we'll have, of course, advice on Dear Live From The Path, the people the the world's going to need some help, and we're here to do that. So, yes, Boof, you got that? I sure do. Okay. Great. Alright. So let's let's meet, let's meet Jeff and Nancy. So first of all, maybe tell tell us, for those unfamiliar, tell us a little bit about, The Fish Factory. Wow. The Fish Factory officially opened in October 2015, but it really came

to my heart and mind in 2010. And of all things, was out mowing the lawn in Akron, Ohio when it's if God said, I'm gonna open your brain and soul and dump a whole lot of things you haven't even thought about. And he did. And so I'm being old, I I ran inside and started writing things down as quick as I could, and it was it was as clear as a bell

what we are to do. And Nancy happened to be here in Iowa and I called her and said, hey, the strangest thing happened and shared it with her. So we I was an associate pastor of a church in the Free Methodist Church in Ohio at the time. We thought we could get that going in Akron and then they asked us to move to Columbus, which we did, and we thought we could get it going there, but didn't run into much success.

This was a different kind of ministry and, I didn't I just don't think people had the appetite for it. But So so maybe tell tell me a little bit about that. Like, what makes this what what is it, that The Fish Factory is, and how does it how was it different? Yeah. There was very clear things. It's an arts and crafts consignment store. It's a, bookstore, used bookstore. It's a coffee shop. It's safe space.

That was the biggest thing to create safe space for people to, no matter where they are in their life, to be able to walk in. And our goal is to create safe space so we can build relationships with them. And so that's been crazy, fun, exciting and sometimes frustrating.

But we know we're we got to that place where we said either we're going to do this or we're not. And if we don't do it, it's kind of disobedience or it's negligence and neither of those we really want to be a part of. We moved right into the area we're ministering in, in Northside

Highland Park. And we live about four blocks from the place, started working with neighbors and then opened this place up. I used to live on Oxford. That's where we live. 4105 Oxford? Well, you're Wow. We're yeah. We won't we won't tell them where we live. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I know. Unless there's some other creepers. But about two yeah. This was, like, two years ago for me. Don't worry. I can help.

Let me know you tell us right now where you live. Need the address. For the fact he was there last night. Come on. So so so I don't know. That description of the place then, I mean, that's a wide variety of things going on.

And, just come from, across the street, Facebook's talking. There's a lot of a wide variety of events and things that you do to kinda reach out to the to the neighborhood. Can you tell us a little bit about that? We do. We have a lot of, opportunities to reach from kids to adults. We have our regulars who come in. I have a guy who comes in probably every day I'm there to play cribbage, and he's five games ahead of me right now. But he comes in. We have people from just in the neighborhood who have time in the day to have a cup of coffee, to tell us what's going on in the world. Then we have our weekend events. My favorite is Wacky Waffles. On the third Saturday of every month, we make waffles and give away waffles from nine to twelve. We had over 75 people last Saturday from the youngest was probably a six month old to probably my mom was 88 was there. Just a crazy time when people can come in and laugh and enjoy and build relationships.

We also have a community dinner on the second Sunday of the month where the community can come in and just enjoy a free meal. Usually, church groups or friend groups come in and serve that meal. Okay. One of the neatest events is on Saturday night. The first Saturday of the month is open mic night, live music. We never know who's coming in. We had, an urban rap girl in one day. We've had some gospel.

So it's open for anyone. We have a kid from local here right at Southeast Polk that has really launched his own CD, and he came in and he sings for us on a regular basis. And now he has his own CD, and he had his launch party at the fish factory. Awesome. So that provides a fun experience and you meet a lot of a lot of crazy people. We had a drummer come in who just gets up and plays with everybody. He just doesn't even know him, but he's phenomenal. Yeah. It's nuts. And then this Sunday, the fourth Sunday of the month, we have our casual, relationship building worship at 06:00 at night where we come open the doors at 05:30, have desserts, and then we have

some songs and some worship and then conversation about what worship is. So we kinda get people engaged in that. And like Jeff said, our goal is to really build those relationships. That's that's cool. Like, that's, there there's a lot of different things going on, a lot of different ways for people in the community to kind of engage in that. Do you have you found Jeff, so coming from the, coming from the lawn, I guess,

is this this hitting it? Is this are these the bells that went off? Or the is this is this what you were looking to do? Yeah. It it really is. You know, we're the the good thing about it, and I I love traditional churches, but sometimes they get a little bulky and trying to move and shift as the as things develop is a little difficult or slow at times. And so we're able to adjust. For instance, we saw just a lot of folks with mental health issues. Well, that wasn't a group we were looking at necessarily targeting, but we've adapted to that. We work with that, and we're glad to have them. So so we adapt and and like we say, we have different group. It's funny because all of those events you mentioned actually have almost, even though there's some bleed over, but it really has four different audiences almost. Right. The the music folks are not the waffle folks who aren't the worship folks. So it's kinda neat to have a wide variety of folks, from the neighborhood. And we get people from surrounding

churches who either they're not doing, ministry like this to these folks, in this area, and, they like to just come down, hang out with us as well. I'm sorry. I I lost you, Jeff, when you implied that there's certain people that aren't waffle folks. Well, I know. That is I don't I don't think that's possible. That's sign of the apocalypse in itself, isn't it? It's a nonbiblical sign of the apocalypse. Yeah. I don't want any waffles. Excuse me. Although they bring up the waffles, you can't come in. Sorry. To have. That's where we draw the line. So It was fun this last Saturday. We had 10 city workers out working on our drain, and they were all in for waffles. And they had their fair share, so that was good. Oh, man. Hey. Now now you you said there's a guy that's up on you five games of cribbage. Did you know cribbage before then, or did you learn it to play this man? Oh, no. I'm a cribbage player from way back. She knows every game known to me. And I'm a competitor, so I'm

a little feisty with him. But So so so you're real you're real close to Little John's Burgers. Mhmm. It's right next door. Do do you find yourself eating a lot of tenderloins? They have waffles, man. Yeah. We don't we don't need tenderloins. I know we can't have waffles $24.07. You gotta have something for lunch. Right? Again, I don't know what's being said here. I don't Have you never had a Little John's tenderloin? Where have you been? Oh, yeah. Been. No. No. No. I've I I don't I haven't had the tenderloin. I've been to Little John's. I get the chicken sandwich. I would go back. I get I get the chicken. So, so how do people get in touch with you guys to to start working at the Fish Factory as a volunteer basis of setting up a monthly thing with a youth group or a small group or something like that? How can people get,

plugged in with you guys? Yeah. It's we we have volunteer or we have a couple volunteers. One thing that's been interesting and, again, whatever God's put on people's heart to style wise,

to minister in a particular way, that's great. But God's put it on our heart to minister in a particular way. And and at times, I've been guilty of in my past and some churches I've connected with have been guilty of coming on too hard too fast. You know, we're not throwing Bibles or hitting people upside the head and and that kind of thing when they come through the door. But what we want is folks who who have a tender heart, who can just work on those relationships. One of our expressions is we wanna show them Jesus before we tell them about them. And it's amazing to us when you when people come in and they want to volunteer, I can tell fairly quickly. I throw out some scenarios and they'll give an answer. I say, well, that's a great way to do things, but really that's not how we operate.

The whole long term relationship is kind of a new I wouldn't say new, it's called missional incarnational. You live amongst folks. You develop the relationships. It is amazing to us how many times we don't even have to initiate the God conversations. Mhmm. They see something in us and what we're doing, and they'll ask us about that. And then we can connect their story with God's story. And that's really our approach. So we've actually some

folks who want to volunteer, we said, this probably isn't the right place. And others but so we got to be careful. So we're glad. We don't have lots of opportunities for groups to come in, but, you know, we we've done cleanups. We've like Nancy said, on our community meal, they've come in and prepared and served a meal and interacted with folks on on on the spot. So we have some things that people are able to do. I suppose just coming in and hanging out. Right? Like, it's Absolutely. Being in and out. Folk. Obviously, connecting on, you know, Facebook and all that good stuff, but we love anyone who comes in, we always ask them to sign up. And if they want more information,

we make sure we contact. Again, we've got some great people who just wanna be part of it. We've got it's what's really fun to see is some of the regulars that you can see it's their home now. Right. One girl came in that she didn't even make it to Waffles because she had to work, but she came in and she started cleaning up. Last Sunday or Saturday, a guy came in for the second time, and he said, do you want me to help you make waffles? So they're they're making it their their place, which is really our goal is that this is a community thing. When yeah. When you can move people from you come back and see the fish factory and the people where when they start using we language, hey. Right. We'd love to see you again. Come back and see us. You know, we know we've kinda crossed that bridge, and and that's a great place to be. And, you know, as god always works,

we get out. We ourselves get out so much from from this. This is not a place I would have picked to live. I grew up in Mitchellville. It's nice, safe, small town. I could walk at midnight and be okay at that. I don't walk right now at Right. Past dark. But, you know, it has opened my eyes to first of all, it's opened my eyes to

some prejudice that I didn't know I had, that I have. And so that's been really good for me. But God has brought people into my life who I would have never chosen to be my friends. And it's just amazing. You know, we're all the same. We need to be loved. We need to be forgiven. We need to be given grace. And that's it. That's what we need, and that's what we're there to provide, and that's what people provide with us in the same time. That's great. Yeah. That's that's great.

So so there was, well, let's see. We we were talking about the waffles because I remember the memory waffles. Oh, yeah. Right. There was a ladies there was, like, a a women's event coming up at the fish factory. Can you tell me a little about that? Wow. That's gonna be a a heart wrencher. When we were in Ohio, Jeff had the the blessing to officiate at a wedding of a a young lady who married later in life, and she was so excited because God had provided her with this man who was just gonna complete that circle for her and beautiful wedding. Great life. She's a school teacher. I don't recall what he did.

But within a month, one month of their wedding, tragic car accident where he died. And she was, brutally injured and took a long time to heal. But she is coming actually from Ohio on her spring break and is going to share her story tragically transformed. We would love to have any of you local women out there. I want a packed house for her at the fish factory at 3720

Douglas. 2nd Avenue. 2nd Avenue. Whoops. You think I'd know that? I know it. Thank you. But you know but you know everything. Creepers know those things. Yes. Yeah. Sure do. 06:30 on Sunday. We'll open up 06:30. Tuesday. 06:30. Twenty eighth. Tuesday on the twenty eighth, and we open the doors at 06:30, she talks at seven. And, again, it's gonna be a heart wrencher, but it's gonna end with that hope that, we all can have through Jesus. That was, let's see. It was 06:30 on March 28. Doors open 06:30. She starts at 07:00. It's at 37 22nd Avenue

at the Fish Factory. Open to all ladies. Right? These are ladies only? Ladies night. You bet. Okay. Alright. What I mean, no. No. Is no. No. I'm gonna be there. So I'm I'm He's the bouncer. I'm security. Okay. Fair enough. Fair enough. Okay. Recognize you in address. That's Ben. Alright. Hey. We've been hanging out with Jeff and and Nancy, from the Fish Factory. Make sure to go on Facebook. You can find that. It's under,

Fish Factory DSM, on on Facebook. And if you like that, you can be kept up to date of everything that's going on out there, all the all the cool events. It sounds like swing by. Now when you now would you serve you said you do coffee. Right? Yes. We're open Tuesday through Friday from 08:30 to one and

then Saturday, nine to three. So even if there's no event, we're open. We always say to folks, first, drinks on us. If they coffee, pop, water, whatever they want, and so it's free. So a lot of people pop in, grab something, go. Other people come in and hang out. So And now do are you are you getting into the do you get into the specialty coffees or do you have you have We're more like if you for some of us older folks, it'd be like hanging around the old general store, and there's a good pot of coffee on. We got our coffee from Freedom for Youth, and so that's really excellent coffee. But, no. We don't, do the mocha latte cappuccino frappe stuff. Good. That stuff gets good. Difficult. That's a good thing. Just black coffee with sugar cream is all good. You go. No. No. I I don't even do the sugar cream. I just drink black coffee. Straight black. Yeah. And and the cribbage board's always open and the checkerboard's there. And Is it hard to learn cribbage? It feels intimidating to me. Well, do you have any math skills? Don't answer that if you don't want to. I have I have a little. Okay. Then you can play cribbage. Do you have to count to higher than 20? Because I'm out of limbs.

Well, we'll count for you after 20. Okay. Yep. We can do it. I have fingers fingers, bubba. Fingers and toes. I I got that part. Yeah. That's as far as I go. Yep. Yeah. Is there online cribbage? Oh, yeah. Me? Yeah. Yeah. Boobba. Why would I probably an app for that. I've never played cribbage before. You know, though I've said it twice. A great singer, though. One time you're gonna have to have him because way back in seventh grade Here we go. He sang a song for us to remind him on what side of the country that the sunrise isn't set. So You should sing it. You what? You really should ask him to sing it too. You might need a whole show for that. Yeah. People want to hear. Yeah. Give us a few bars, Bubba. Hey. Pull it. Open my I don't wanna listen to that. Okay. So here, I'm trying to remember more than two lines because I remember that. The sun rises in the East. It sets

in the West. That's all I remember. That's d. Really? Remember the whole song. Wow. But it got him an a on the test. It did indeed. And I still remember that the sun rises in the East and sets in the West. Score. When you're trying to figure out, is this morning or night? Yeah. Mnemonic devices that I created myself. It's awesome. Oh, man. That was fun. That's never YouTube views right there. Alright. Awesome. I sense a new promo for the life of Yeah. Exactly. I'll do those two lines, and that's it for everybody.

Hey. You're listening to live from the Path. Like I said, we're in studio with Jeff and Nancy talking about the, the fish factory. Like that stuff on Facebook so you can, know what's going on. Drop in for a, for the first ones free cup of coffee, pop, water. Water's free, I assume. Mhmm. Okay. Just make sure stuff doesn't turn you know, you know, Lord's kingdom's turned on its head. Maybe water cost $8. I don't know. There you go. Alright. So, make sure you swing in there. They're gonna hang out with us the rest of the show. As a matter of fact, I'm glad that they're gonna do that because we're gonna need some help. Hold on. Hey, Dan. I I dug up the old I dug up the old promo. Oh. Check this out. Oh, buddy.

Yeah. I'm not so embarrassed anymore about my singing. That was awful, boys. Professionals. Technical expertise is overtaking the show. No one was injured during this time. That's that's actually not true, but this is interesting. This is Internet radio. You're allowed to do that kind of thing. Yeah. Alright. Even hanging out with us in life from the past, here's here's the deal. These are nonbiblical signs of the apocalypse. I'm gonna read you a story. And, based upon the outcome of the story, although the Lord wasn't extremely specific as to, what goes down at the end of times, like, I don't know, some of these some of these human behavior, you gotta be like, that's a trigger. Something had to have gone wrong here. The Lord must return directly. So I I will give you a few stories, and we'll, we'll figure out if we think this is the, a nonbiblical sign of the apocalypse or whether we got some more time.

Story number one, Chinese park skimps on toilet paper with facial recognition machine. Hold on. Wait for the details, boova. Okay. It may oh, man. The puns in here are terrible. It may sound like a bum idea, but a park in China is using facial recognition technology to dole out short strips of toilet paper in a high-tech experiment to wipe out thieves. They're having What? Having toilet paper It's favoring your own problems. In China. Said all the TP in restrooms at the Temple Of Heaven Park in Beijing is now locked and dispensed by six machines that rely on facial recognition software to make sure no one takes more than their share, according to the New York Times. The machine only hands out about two feet of tissue. If that's insufficient, you have to wait nine minutes.

What is Two feet, though. That's that's that's What what is the focus group on the length of the that they dispense and the wait time? Specifically nine minutes. Said some locals said they fear Chinese government officials will use data gleaned from the machines to flush out dissidents. Oh. They gotta go sometime, I guess. Boy, that's tricky. Oh, man.

I didn't see that come officials said the park is trying to make things easier by upgrading from one ply to two ply tissue. According to the BBC, there's multiple sources here. In addition, people who require more than two feet of tissue can flag down a park employee. Oh, yeah. I'm sure. You guys are sure. Excuse me, heart ranger. I've

waited my allotted nine minutes, and I've got enough of feet. But I'm gonna need a little bit more. Can you help me? I can have your badge. Here's the deal. Like, never mind. If we encounter guests who have oh, for heaven's sake. Who have situations in which they urgently require toilet paper, then our staff on the ground will directly directly provide the toilet paper, a park spokesman said. Has he not thinking through this process at all? Like, a person who's run out of the allotment and is trying to flag someone down is an inherently bad problem to have. Right.

I Is there a worse job you could have than being that park ranger? Right. Exactly. The lowest position in the park. I'm a toiletry dispensary agent for the Temple Of Heaven Park in Beijing. When there's when there's real trouble, I go in. Yeah. Oh, man. You see, using expensive facial recognitions machines to meter toilet paper may seem extreme to protect us something of such low value, but an undercover investigation this month discovered thieves were how many how many rolls, Buba? How many rolls do you think they're stealing from park restrooms each day? A 150.

Oh, well, that's a that's a lot better than that's a lot worse than what they're projecting. Oh, cool. Best, apparently. Let's see. The investigation said thieves were stealing 30 rolls of toilet paper from park restrooms each day. Wow. That's at least $30. That's per day. Well, they were one ply before, so let's go with $15. That's true. Okay.

Oh, there's a poor guy using the machine. The technology, the technologically advanced TP dispensers were installed for a two week trial period according to the beijinger.com. I'm I am impressed with the wide variety of sources to contribute to this story. The The New York Times. Right. BBC was the was cited? The bejjinger? Do we know what you're awesome name for a publication, first off. And second off, yeah, I'm that's like a college paper. They gotta have quite a few sources in that. Uh-huh. Okay. So Undercover, dude. Don't forget the undercover. Right. Exactly. Like a sting operation. So this park was experiencing thievery Yeah. Of their toilet paper. And so they've they've put in very expensive Yeah. I was saying, I was facial recognition machines. That's that adjective was put in there. Right? Expensive

Yeah. Facial recognition machines. So how long are they projecting that they're going to have to or how many rolls of toilet paper they're to have to save with their facial recognition software and machine to actually break even on the facial recognition machines. Let let's let's say Like, what's opportunity cost here? Like, that's a divided by 30 a day. How many days is that? How many I mean Oh, now we're getting into math again. 600? I mean That's three it's roughly three years. Right? Yeah. It's it's over it's a little over six hundred days. Maintenance on that machine. Nine seven hundred days. Yeah. So two and a half years. Yeah. Yeah. You gotta figure and pay for the the ranger. Don't forget his pay. Yeah. Right. Right.

Well, I was we yeah. Yeah. And how do you keep people from, like, going as pears and and getting two two doses? Or put in a bag over your face? Or yeah. What you have a what you have a mask on? This expensive facial recognition software is gonna see a bag and go, there's no face for me to scan. I'm not getting toilet paper. Jimmy, get out of here. We know you're better again. You draw a mustache and stuff. I'll be sending all the kids up. He's gonna take paper. Daddy's gotta go. Hey. There you go. You walk in with mister potato head. You figure out how far it needs to be, and then you keep putting different facial pieces on mister Potato Head. I've tricked the system. You've it it's already happened. Alright. I don't know. Jeff and Nancy, what do you think here? Like, we is this just I mean, is this the end of the world? Is the world end of the world coming when we install facial recognition to dole out toilet paper, or is this just a sign of the normal times? I think I I feel as if I'm wiped out from this whole discussion. No. I I I think I think it coming. I think it

may be in times. Yeah. Jeff says it's the end of the world. It could be. Could be a nonbiblical sign of the apocalypse. Nancy? You know, I'm the optimist in the group, so I'm thinking it's, just a normal behavior Normal. Day and age. Yeah. Normal course of the world. You just you gotta show your face to get some toilet paper, and they keep track of it. Wow. Even a dissident is gonna visit the Heavens Park in Beijing. Then why is it the Heavens Park is the only place that's there? Is this how it's gonna be? Because That might be a clue. The imagery in Revelation has led me astray. Now all the other parks gotta keep up. I mean Right. Like, what do the other park rangers have to say? Did you hear about Heaven's Park? They got those facial recognition toilets. It looks pretty easy. Toilet paper. It's gonna become a marketing thing now offering three feet per face. Yeah. Exactly. Three feet per face.

Spring break sale, four feet per face. Boo boo, what do you think? Alright. So here's the deal. It's it's under test right now. As long as it's it stays in testing and doesn't officially go to the rest of the parks in China, I think we got time. But I think I might change my answer when they go, yeah. This was a great idea. It's we should we should put this in every park, and we're gonna talk to America too. So if that happens That will make America great. Right. Right? Oh, man. Two feet at a time. Wait. So so far, you're saying, right now, it's just sinners testing their batteries. Right now, not end times. We got time. We got time. We're not quite to revelation. But I think if it if it happens worldwide or even in a couple of big countries with good economies and stuff like that, have facial recognition toilets,

I I think we're looking at end times, boys. Dan? I I I think if they're cutting the Christians off of the two foot because of their they don't have the mark, Really, Dan? Right. Well, you know. I think it's a sign of of overpopulation and sinful nature

that we still have some time. Okay. But like I say, until they study, they'll start they'll start cutting off the church. You have to have like a toilet paper roll right above your right eye. Yeah. So so if it comes out the thing and then it rolls back like a scroll, you're like, you know what? This is Yeah. Exactly. That's a Jesus person. No. Obviously, you can't it out. It takes back the two feet. That's like how you get seven and a half inches. It's like, that's problem. So is the roll be is it in front or behind? I it depends on which way you go. A good point. What does the government think about whether or not it goes over or under? Yeah. How's it dismissed? No. No. It goes straight down. They've yeah. They just skip that system. We'll never know. Okay. Trying to keep it from being a I wonder if this guy the guy that's in these photos, did he agree to model for this as a man that has recently Or do think it was like a a bathroom camera? A model? Yeah. You have to wait every nine minutes for the next photo, though. He's got, like, salt and pepper hair. I mean, he's a decent looking fella. Alright. Anyway Maybe that's their normal Park of Heaven demographic,

man. Okay. Here we go. Story number two, looking for non biblical signs of the apocalypse. The New York court is determine is to determine if chimp is legally a person. This is dateline March 16. So recently in New York from the Associated Press, should a chimpanzee be treated as a person with legal rights? That's what attorney Stephen Wise tried to convince a state appeals court in Manhattan of on Thursday. Wise, who represents the Florida based nonhuman rights project animal advocacy group, argued that two chimps, names Tommy and Kiko, should be freed from cages to live in an outdoor sanctuary, a nicer prison. Weiss has been trying for years unsuccessfully to get courts to grant the chimps habeas corpus in order to, he says, free them from unlawful imprisonment. What does he think the sanctuary is? Anyway, he says the apes, which didn't appear in court, oh, no, a better quality of life. If the court agrees, they would be sent to live with others of their species on one of 13

islands amid a lake in Fort Pierce, Florida that compromised the save the chimp sanctuary. A five judge panel will issue its ruling in the coming days or weeks. Kiko's keeper, Carmen Presti, says he's not giving up the chimp. He and his wife rescued the deaf chimp twenty three years ago from a life of performing at state fairs and in the television movie Tarzan in Manhattan. They have the same trajectory in life as judge Reinhold. Okay. No. No, booba? No? Okay. Kiko is believed to have lost his hearing when he was, oh, beaten by a traitor and has medical problems requiring constant attention. If he's taking a taken away, he could die without his family to give him the special care he needs and bring him into the house to play, says Prestea of Niagara Falls, New York, where he runs the nonprofit Primate Sanctuary whose rescue animals are part of a youth educational program. Tommy was caged at a trailer lot in Gloversville outside Albany.

Let's see. Blah blah blah blah blah blah. Boy, there's, another 10 pages of this article. This guy's serious about this chimp. It says Presti is not taking any direct legal action, but he has the support of attorney Bob Cohn, who also wrote a brief for the Albany Appeal saying there's no practical need to provide human rights to nonhumans. A basic dictionary would do that. Still, Wise remains doggedly hopeful. The puns rock. Especially after an Argentinian judge ruled in November that chimps, in fact, have habeas corpus rights. We will win in the end, he said.

Presti has his own view of the litigation. Albert Einstein said insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results, Presti said with a chuckle, but I believe he's doing this for publicity. What do we think? Non biblical sign of the apocalypse or a normal course of chimp, behavior? I think this is just normal. This isn't end times, but this is ridiculous. Wait. I don't understand why they need this this chimp to be declared a person in order for it to be taken care of correctly.

Like, I I guess I'm just confused on on what that's for. I mean, it doesn't sound like he's be I mean, he was rescued. He's in a nice sanctuary already. He's in a sweet place. Like, is the chimp upset? They just wanna move him to, like, a Montessori sanctuary where he gets to direct his own And he behaves to be declared a person and have habeas corpus rights in order to do so? Because it doesn't sound like the other chimps have that. I haven't seen Maybe he's gonna get beaten up there because he's the elitist chimp. Yeah. He's a well, I haven't seen Legally Bond for a while. What's what's habeas corpus? It's Latin. Well, I get that part. Is it Latin for Waffle Saturday? What is it? Yes. It's Latin for Waffle Saturday.

Waffle Saturday and cribbage board. That's the the two definitions. We we just had a lengthy conversation yesterday about monkeys, believe it or not. Oh, man, Dan. My daughter and I have been trying to get my wife to let us get a monkey for years. Oh, excellent. Yeah. Yes. We think it's a great idea. And she thinks it's a poor idea. Uh-huh. We did discover you can you can rent a monkey for a day for $48. Woah. Really? You can give me that $48, and I'll wear my gorilla mask if you a party. No. It's a real monkey. Hey. Take my money. But you don't want $48? There there's a question and answer, you know, a q and a on on the website, and it's like, what do I do if my monkey arrives sick or dead? Oh. I think that just made me feel like maybe it's a bad idea to bring no longer a monkey party. That's right. Your your party's over, bud. That is a monkey funeral.

That's a pretty pitiful party. Here you go, honey. You got oh. You better officiate that funeral, Dan. Oh. You are a pastor. I knew I knew I shouldn't have gone with the $48 monkey's budget. I should I should have done the $96 For an extra $25, you can get an ape. Is it a monkey or a chimp? Those are there's a big difference. I was gonna say, monkeys are like spider monkeys. They're like little monkeys. The little monkeys like spider monkeys. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. For another 25, it's an ape, though. It's like a chimp. If you give me 48, I will just wear a gorilla mask around your house. That doesn't count. If it doesn't have a tail, it's not a monkey. If you gentlemen are willing to spend $50 on a monkey party, I feel like you should just give your money to me so I better with this. Come on, kids. We're gonna pin the tail on the monkey one. Oh, man. Don't have a monkey. Like, so that I know renting a monkey for $48, that might be a non biblical sign of the apocalypse, Dan. I think so. I didn't realize that was a even here in Iowa, there are, like, monkeys. It has to cost that to ship him. You know, I didn't get into shipping cost. But do you get the return envelope? Like, what are we talking about here, guys? UPS will deliver it by drone. It's it's really it's really kinda a cool thing. It's really part part of the whole party atmosphere. It's like, wow. This is great. Actually, I'm with Jeff. I'll I'll I'll pay another 20 to have him parachute in. Oh, hey. Yeah. You

get some kind of capuchin paratrooper that comes at you. That'd be awesome. Alright. What do what do we think? Dan, nonbiblical sign of the apocalypse? We got more time. Wanna I say we still have more time because they have not been declared when when they were declared human, then Art Argentina did. Argentina did. Yeah. Worldwide, I think, is what Dan's talking about. Right. Yeah. Yeah. You guys are pretty leading Jesus will come back in Argentina, but but that doesn't really count. Yeah. Because we can't see Argentina from here. Yeah. Yeah. Just work with me. Alright. Yep. I was gonna say, I don't know where we're going with that. I can't I don't see the horse on the rider. So you're saying when the United Nations recognize the chimp

chimp as humans. Our Argentinian list listeners are very upset at you right now. You can't you can't hear the trumpet from there from here? I bet you can hear the trumpet. Try for your loudness. There's just so many things that don't work if it's just Argentina. Work. He he's got to he's gotta come back to Chicago. ZZ Top got it wrong. He's not leaving. That's where he's coming. Okay. So, Dan, since we got got more time. Buba, more time? I think we got more time. I think this is just people being ridiculous. Alright. Nancy, how does your optimism hold up here? More time?

I'm gonna have to go home and ponder so many things after tonight. I can send you that website. Right. Www.monkeyparty. Doesn't mean she'll be asking why did I come here. Understandable. I ask that every night. Yeah. I I do that for years now. What was I thinking? Seriously, I I went back. What was the last were you talking about monkeys? Really? The show was actually a nonbiblical sign of the abyss. We

are that's the ultimate joke. We are one of them. I'm sorry. If they don't own monkeyparty.com, I'm buying that. Someone owns monkeyparty.com. I'm gonna find that person. We're actually gonna start an evening at the fish factory just for monkeys. For monkeys. Monkey parties. I And you all are invited. I would I would expect nothing less. Alright. Wait. So that was a just you're gonna ponder this? You're you don't wanna weigh in on it? I'm I'm I'm saying we have a few more hours. Okay. Alright. Okay.

I'm gonna check back in with you next week and see how things are going. Alright. Jeff? Yeah. I I'm with everybody I I think we're okay for a while, but, this we gotta make sure these people quit monkeying around and doing stuff like this. It's something to keep an eye on. That's right. Cautionary tale. Alright. Here we go. Hey. Bubba, monkey party is open. Hey. That's what I'm talking about. I'm a buy it. It's parked for free. I think you're you're gonna have to bid on it. Somebody that's gonna be a premium site. That's fun. Okay. Monkeyparty.com. Alright. Here we go. Last last one. Last entry.

Shaquille O'Neal says the world is flat, and satellite imagery is fake. Basketball legend Shaquille O'Neal, this is Dateline this afternoon, say 02:30. Wow. Basketball legend Shaquille O'Neal appears to have joined the ranks of celebrities who sincerely believe the world is flat. On a recent episode of the big podcast with Shaq, cohost John Kincaid asked the star about recent comments from Kyrie Irving, a Cleveland Cavaliers player who recently became the subject of controversy in The US by outing himself as a flat earther.

O'Neil appears to wholeheartedly agree with Kincaid saying, it's true. The earth is flat. And he continues to explain. So listen. I drive from coast to coast, and this stuff is flat to me, he continues. I drive from Florida to California all the time, and it's flat to me. I do not go up and down at a 360 degree angle and all that stuff about gravity. Have you looked outside Atlanta lately and seen all these buildings? You mean to tell me that China's under us? China is under us? It's not. The world is flat. It's just possible O'Neil was joking with his remarks, but numerous listeners believe he was being sincere. When asked about the existence of satellite imagery providing the world is round, O'Neill responded, satellite imagery could be drawn and made up. Kyrie Irving revealed he believes the Earth is flat during an episode of the Road Trippin podcast in February, telling listeners there is no concrete information except for the information that they're giving us. They're particularly putting you in the direction of what to believe and what not to believe. The truth is right there. You just gotta go searching for it. Another celebrity who believes the world is flat is Grammy nominated rapper b o b, who posted a series of tweets last year expounding his outlandish theory. A lot of people are turned off by the phrase flat earth, he said, but there's no way you can see all the evidence and not know. Grow up. He also claimed to have seen for himself that the earth has no curvature. I was on a plane the same time the Red Bull jump happened. He wrote in another tweet. The pilot told us to look out the window. Five miles to the left was the balloon. We're flying at the same altitude as the guy who did the Red Bull jump. No curve, even though their footage shows otherwise. Earth's flat, boobah.

Earth's flat and celebrities believe it. Shaquille O'Neal says flat. I don't know. What are what are our thoughts here, boys? Do we wanna weigh in on the article or just whether or not it's, it's an end of sign of the end times? Is it a sign of the end times that we're back on this, the world being flat? Yes. And Pupulpous says it is. It is. And not only that, but because

celebrities say it means that we have to put it in a publication. When Neil O'Neil says something like that, we definitely have to make certain that it gets on the Internet. But, but if if some random guy does it, it's not an issue. It's just it's it's our problem with getting sucked. Sorry. How do we get celebrities with crackpot theories to come on the show? Because this is getting played. This This is getting That's true, boss. I'll I'll start sending out emails and see if we can get Shaq and we can get b o b on the show. Is b o b's real name Bob? Yes. It is. Okay. Thanks. Oh, wait. Did I say it as if it's an acronym? It's supposed to be b o b. He's a rapper. Okay. He goes his name's Bob. Because I was gonna say Bob, but the final b was capitalized. I thought, I'm gonna I'm gonna get this wrong. It looks like a fool. He's a rapper. He goes by b o b. You were correct. Okay. Alright. But, yeah, he calls himself Bob all the time. Okay. Bobby Gray. Whatever. A lot of stuff.

Yeah. No. This is this is end time. The the nonbiblical sign of the apocalypse. No. We're reverting it. No. I I can't I can't buy into that. It's a sign of the end time or that it's flat earth? No. I either. See see see, I'm from I'm from Ohio. The, you know, the Ohio State and all that. And what's in Ohio? The Cleveland Cavaliers. And and where's Kyrie Irving playing with? Alright. Fair enough. Cleveland. Okay. Uh-huh. And if he said it, hey. Who who won the championship last year? That's yeah. That's a good point, Bobby. Did you win the championship? You can't be you can't do that by being stupid. He's

a smart guy. I feel like you could be intelligent in many parts of your life and still make bad decisions. If the earth was round, wouldn't all the water run out of the lakes and stuff? Doesn't that make sense? Yeah. Haven't you ever spilled the soda? Didn't have a giant core of molten metal that created No. This this is real stuff here. I'm That's true. I'm in gravity. Yeah. I don't know. I they've made some compelling arguments. And, I mean, and Jeff is a wise man who's done good thing for Jesus. I feel like

he's compelling. I feel like I need to rethink my marriage. Here's the teacher now. I was gonna say I learned in seventh grade geography, alright, that, that the earth is round, and the sun rises in the east and sets it away. I know certain things. So here's the falsity of seventh grade geography. I learned that, that Germany was to the right of me. Now here's the problem. If you buy if you buy a map, if you buy a world map in Europe,

The United States is to the right of that. Uh-huh. Everybody starts on the left. I was I was sold a bill of goods is what I was sold. I'm sorry that you had a a Think about that movie. Teacher that told you that Germany is to the right. Where's Germany? To the right. That makes me really sad that that's part of our school system that went, yeah. It's always to your right. That's like my mother used to be able to tell her directions based off of what mall like, where the malls of Des Moines were. And so she used to always know where South was based off of Southridge Mall. Oh, right. She used to always know where West was based off Valley West. And then I came of age, 12, 13 years old, and I went through seventh grade geography. And then I said, ma, what happens if you're South Of Southridge? And she goes, well, Southridge is still south of me. I said, no. It's north of you. I said, what happens when you're West of Valley West? She goes, it's still West. I said, no. It's East. And then she said, you stop talking.

I refuted her laugh. What happens if you are South Of Southridge? You must never go there, Sid. You're lost. That that Southridge. Barren country. That is outside of the boundaries of the Pride Lands. Alright. Alright. So may maybe some more time? Maybe some more time? Or or or that's the end of the I think it's over. I think it's over. I think that's a trumpet blast right there. I mean That's yeah. You're three months from rebuilding the Tower Of Babel. Like, we're unlearning everything we should have known better. Right? Exactly. It's like, come on, guys. Look at a rainbow. We don't wanna we don't wanna mess with this, but he's not gonna fight, but still. And, actually, that makes sense because we are we are regressing as a society. People are losing their fig leaves out in the middle everywhere. People are building the tail. Like yeah. Yeah. Alright. I might buy into that. Hey, Nancy, I'm real interested here. I'll just check back up with you in a week if you had the time to really put the think on these things. You know what, I will be telling you. Okay.

I'm gonna call this on labor pain. Exactly. Nancy's blog on the end times. I said for the people who have babies and all that good stuff, pains are coming, oh no. Is that a Braxton Hicks? Yeah. I yes. Yes. Yes. That's what it is. Since we've been through that. Never been through it, but I think I've heard that term before. It sounds like an r and b singer also. Here's the deal. If I was doctors Braxton and Hicks, I would be like, you know what? Maybe don't name that after me. I am not a fake. I don't want people referring this to me. Oh, I'm in pain. Who who do I think of? Oh, Braxton.

Alright. No. Anyway, that was it. We're we're helped we're here to help you discern around, you know, potentially nonbiblical signs of the apocalypse. There you go. Think what you wish, but you'll be more wise to think what I think. I think judging by our outcome here, maybe the message is they should just be ready, because It may be. Yeah. I don't think that's our message. I think that's one of the Bible's messages we can just Mark Mark one, Jesus Crump it. Repent and believe in the gospel. I feel like it's timeless. Toilet paper distribution in China or otherwise, let's just do the repent and believe in the gospel. Things will be Okay. Yeah. If you're a virgin, don't go ahead and blow out that oil lamp.

I wonder what the monkeys do with facial recognition. I don't know. Especially when they're pronounced people. Oh, you know what would be rough times? If if a monkey came in and got two foot of toilet paper and then you showed up Oh. And then mistook you for the monkey and didn't release toilet paper. That would be awkward. Yeah. Wow. I'm just saying. I'm gonna pray for y'all. I think that's a very good idea. Yeah. That But it's like, much people are texting. Sending them out for more. Yeah. It would be harmful to my ego. I'll tell you that. I think very highly of myself. If you watched a chimpanzee

leaves the bathroom Hey, geez. And then you walked in and went, hey, toilet paper robot. And then it goes, I know you, chimpanzee. It doesn't doesn't give you two feet of toilet paper. Yeah. Wait wait your wait your nine minutes, buddy. Exactly. Then you're sitting there having to either have already gone to the bathroom or waiting to be taken care of. Oh, it's corny. It's sad. Actually, I told actually, I I that wouldn't hurt my my vanity at all because here's the deal. I told my wife this today. I said, look. Was born this way. I can't help the way I am. You, on the other hand, said yes to this. So that seems like your problem. I might have to use that someday. I probably have to wait for my stuff. I said yes. Alright. Anyway, you're listening to Life From The Path. Thanks for hanging out with us. Hey. If you wanna catch past clips of the show, and I mean, you got nothing else to do, wanna catch past clips of the show, you can go to lifefromthepath.org. There's musical performances out there. Lots of cool stuff. We had Michael Everton was in here last week. Did a great job. Did a fantastic job. Real interesting cat. So go back and you can listen to the folk show, hook up with the podcast, but also go back and listen to those tunes. Driven eleven was and was here the week before that. And Egypt Ali was here. Like, lots just lots of cool folks rolling through the show. And of course, this show will be available if you want to revisit Regrets in Your Life. You can certainly do that, and that will be out on the website.

So speaking of further regrets or potentially not, the opposite of that, let's hold on. What did I call it? Hey, Bouvah be talking. Go ahead, Buha. All right. So like I kind of said earlier, I think that our habitual listeners, the two,

over the last couple of years that have seen me for a couple of years know that, that I've always kind of struggled with that whole weight loss thing. Right? You know, I was a big kid in high school, and I was a bigger kid after leaving high school. And I mean that from the perspective of size wise, and I just didn't mature yet. But I just, it's always been an issue for me from the perspective of almost an addiction. Right? Like a full blown, emotional attachment. And it it spearheaded when I lost my parents,

and it just became just this cycle of of bad that rather than running to god and the relationship that I knew that I had and and said to people that I had, instead, I ran to food. And I would, I would do awful things. Like, I'm not going into too much detail. Like, I'm fine with explaining it, but, like, I would, I would be eating fast food three, four times a day. I would, I'd be binge eating constantly. I would, I would hide, in my apartment because I was so ashamed of, like, what I was doing, and I didn't want my family to know what I was eating and stuff like that. Like, it was that bad.

And, you know, it's been an issue between me and God for a long time because as it became more of a of a Christ follower and starting to truly give my life up to him and understand what that looked like and try and give up each individual piece, like, I started realizing that that food was not only just an addiction that I had. It was an idol for me. It was something that was taking the place of God because rather than running to God as as my father, running running to Jesus as my savior, I ran to food as my savior. Right? Like like, I went to the church of Ronald McDonald, not to be just funny, but to be serious about that. And and and it saddens me that that was going on. And and it's always been a problem for years and years and years. And at one point in time, I was over six hundred and forty pounds at 19, 20 years old. And my dad died of a heart attack at 44, and he was only about a 100 pounds heavier than that at his peak weight. And so I I got this smack from God in reality that just said you're on the fast track to where your father was. You're never going to to meet the woman that you're supposed to marry. You're never going to to meet your children, and you're never gonna be there for your grandkids. And then more importantly, you're wasting the time that God has given you on this earth to be fruitful for his kingdom, not just your own body.

And so I've struggled with that, I've gone back and forth. I've had periods of happiness and periods of sadness in that. And, like, God's really helped me through a lot to where, you know, within the last four years, I've lost close to 200 pounds, if not a little bit more than But it's always been like this this thing where I tackled the physical problems, but I never tackled the eternal problems. I was really good at eating the right stuff for a diet for two, three months, and I'd lose weight, and and I'd do really good. And then I'd kinda fail, and I'd start eating hell worse again, and I'd start gaining weight, but never really all of it back. And then I'd kick back into it. But like I said, I I had kinda gotten down this physical perspective, but I never really figured out the problem between me and God. And I never really put it in that light. I said that I did, but in my heart, really didn't. And forty some odd days ago, a little bit longer than that, I had a chance to go,

and see my girlfriend in Pittsburgh and spend some time with her family. And her family is loving and wonderful, and I am so grateful for them. And, I honestly, like, I I'm looking forward to them being my in laws the rest of my life. But, they kinda called me out on on my health, and, her mom decided to send me this book that was about this, this lifestyle change. Right? And I'm not gonna go into that because I'm not trying to give them a bunch of publicity.

Whatever. But I decided that I was not only gonna do this from the perspective I wanna get healthy, and I wanted to lose weight. I wanted to to reorient my brain and my emotions when it came to food. I honestly took it as how can I use this worldly tool in order to strengthen my relationship with Christ and strengthen my my need for God? And so I took this thirty day challenge that was eliminating all the bad food from my life. Right? Like, eliminate dairy, eliminating wheats and all breads of any kinds, eliminating any sugars, added sugars. And, I'm a type two diabetic, so that was a big deal too was eliminating sugars. I've needed insulin for years, and I've been in the hospital for weeks at a time because of, diabetic things. And I've almost lost a leg because of diabetes and and all that awful things. But,

so I decided to take this thirty day challenge, and I looked at it as this is not only me giving up physical food. It's me giving up food as powerful in my life. From the perspective as an emotional addiction, but not even that. It is a, it is an idol. It is a problem between me me and my father. And so to to really dig into it, I decided that that every time that I was weak and and completely, broken for food, which made me sad at how often it was, I decided that I was gonna take that time and I was gonna run to my father. And that was in prayer, that was in worship, or that was in reading my bible, or that was reaching out in my relationships to find, some fellowship between me and another Christ follower. And and things started changing

within days. Within days of not eating that kind of stuff, it was not only this thing where my body felt better, but it was this incredible feeling of this emotional freedom that was finally happening. And it was like God was taking apart a wall that I put up years ago. It was this room that I refused to let him in, and it was this part of my sin that I refused to let him have. And I was slowly opening the door, and it was like he had this key that I didn't know existed or didn't know that I needed that that just unlocked this problem and this idol and this issue with me. And I cannot tell you so many things so many ways that this has helped me physically in the last forty five days. Like, I've lost close to 40 pounds. I've lost almost seven inches off my waist and a whole cornucopia of more things about along those lines. But, like, more importantly,

I have fallen completely and utterly in love with God from a dependence perspective, and I've never gotten that. When I lost my parents, I did okay at running to him and and realizing that he was my savior, and he was my father. And and I I lost the the the relationship I had with my earthly father so that I could find one with my heavenly father. And that was great. But more importantly, I never had this

eternal and physical dependence on God because I'd always satiated myself with that with my food or, going and doing awful things when I was a big drinker long, long time ago and things like that. And just within these forty days, it's been, no. I wanna run to my papa like like a child running to the the the one who's gotta be there. And it's it's been so freeing, and it has been so wonderful that that I have this closeness that I never knew that I was missing. Like, I honestly felt like I had that relationship with God for years, but, like, it always felt like I was holding something back, but I didn't know what it was. He's And kind of unlocked that, and it's been this reckless abandon

for running to him and crying in the middle of the night because I want something that I can't have. But knowing that God is my ultimate satiation and my desires and knowing that that he is the one that that completely takes care of that for me, but I just I never let him. So finally, deciding to let him, was

absolutely incredible. And I've been trying to think of how I wanted to play this if I wanted to to talk about why it's been such a success for me or if I wanted to talk about why it's such a big deal. But I I think the biggest thing that I can give you guys is the fact that if you realize that there's something in your life that is that idol,

that is something that you're addicted to, and it doesn't even have to be a a normal addiction, what you're thinking of when I say that word, like some kind of drug addiction or alcohol or food or gambling or, sex addiction, all kinds of things you could be addicted to. It doesn't have to be one of those big ones that we know about. It can be something in your life that just stands between you and God, whether it be a certain sin that you're giving into or all kinds of things. When you finally decide that that will have no power over you because you are a son or daughter of the living king of the universe. And you decide that your relationship with him as your father is more important and more sustainable

and more satiating than any earthly thing that you can grab onto. It is freeing. Incredibly so. And it is so wonderful to finally be in his arms the way that I've never felt like in my life. And how many things he's blessed me through within the last, last month and a half, like how many things have just been fixed that I've I didn't even realize were an issue. Discipline that I didn't know that I had that is finally coming back into my life. Energy that I didn't know I could have is back in my life, and I finally have an outlook where I can't wait to see my grandkids. Mhmm. Is there Moova, let me ask you this. Is there a tangible fulcrum there? Because, like, I think what you're describing

is something that not only have I heard, I think a lot of people ex like, express as being true and something that they want. But I'm certain that it's something that you've expressed. Like Yeah. Always. Described as true or something that you wanted I have. In the past years. Right? So, like, what what what's the what's the difference here? Like, what's what's kind of the fulcrum that that otherwise makes this different than

some of the people where they're struggling to grasp what it actually means to act to be dependent upon god for something like that? So the thing that I had to grab on to was my girlfriend. And

I I caution that because, like, I had to really think about that because I I I stopped myself, and I'm like, am I doing this for her? Am I doing this for for our relationship or something like that? Is it gonna fail because that because I need to be focused on, like, my relationship with God? But, like, I wanna marry that girl. And I think I've said that on the show before, and if I haven't, here you go. But, it's something that I've never had that perspective. Right? For years, I've always had me, and I've always had what I want God do with me. And that's a strong feeling, but it's never been,

I want to be there with her in sixty years. And not just from the perspective of our relationship, but, like, for our kids and for our grandkids and for the fact that I know she is passionately in love with Jesus, and I wanna be there with her to be able to do that kind of stuff. And we've talked about she's actually in Africa right now. She's she's running the part of a part of an orphanage in in Madagascar. And I want to be there doing that. And I don't mean that just saying, oh, I wanna be there for, like, physically there with her. And I can't do that the way that I am. It's impossible.

I can't go to Madagascar and live off of rice and and kind of stuff like that or or go and, of, like, completely give myself to my mission for God, if my physical body can't handle it. And it's been something that those two big factors that, a, I want her forever. And whatever that turns into, whatever kids that means or grandchildren or whatever that means. But,

also, if my physical presence and body is a problem between me and what God is calling me to do, then it is no longer an issue where I'm just saying, hey. This has gotta go. But it is an issue where I am standing in the way of the will of God with my daily decisions. And that, as a Christ follower, cannot stand. So it's it's it's interesting then, like, of how often, you know, maybe we are not, we don't notice or not afford the perspective that says, I actually get to witness tangibly, how kingdom work is being held back by

the thing that I'm worshiping. Right. Right? Because, like, you would know that. Everyone would say that. Like, hey. Obviously, if something's going on that's otherwise keeping me from living a living in freedom and feeling it, because there's a lot of people who know true things and they live in prisons, and that sucks. That sucks to be in that position. And and it's it's actually I think it's that fulcrum that you're talking about. Like, it's it's the thing that where you tangibly get to you get to see the motivator and and to be able to see

to want to serve God, to grow kingdom, to be part of loving people and, like, changing the world with good news, and to be able to see or get a perspective that otherwise shows you, here's what you want. Here's what you can't do. You can't this is this can't happen. Right. And and to to come to the place where what you want more is to be able to do that work. Awesome. To be able to be part of whatever god's got going on. And you say, you know what? Nine times out of 10 or or every calendar month prior to that point, I chose the me thing because I actually want the truth was I wanted it more. I wanted the the thing that served me in some way or another more. At this point, though, I know that I want what what Jesus is pointing me to. I want that more than this thing right here. And to be able to see that,

seems to be like something that that is able to contribute to to rightly having as a motivator. And it's not a false thing. It's not a bad thing to say, hey. God has given me someone who was who has been able to provide me the perspective to see what has actually been hindering me from doing what God is doing. Right. What that's a blessing. That's great. Absolutely. So but I think that's I think that's difficult for people because I think, I think you we we grow up with a faith that is a very a very verbal acquiescent faith that says, yes. I believe the things. I think the things are good.

But we don't we often don't get to live in the freedom that comes with it. We don't get to be part of good works that we were created to do and to and to actually see good news change the world because, we we don't we often miss the perspective, that will show us what what doesn't we don't get to be a part of because we're serving the Us thing as opposed to following Jesus and laying down the other things that that we were pursuing on our own. Oh, absolutely. I I've been praying for for a long time asking God to kind of open up my eyes to what he's got for me and, like, what he wants me to do. Because, like, you know, I've taken inventory of my spiritual skills and, like, all these gifts and stuff like that. Like, what is what is God have me doing? I got the scan trones. Yeah. Exactly. Like, dear Lord, I took the online survey. Like, what do you want me to do with this? Right? But, like, it was not an issue until it was brought to my attention that you've been asking for answers to this this life calling. You've been asking God to tell you what you want to do, and then and then when you finally start figuring it out, you realize that you are completely in the way.

And that destroyed me. Like, it killed me because I'm sitting here thinking like I'm I I try and be faithful, and I find myself, foolish in most things, but I'm like, I want god to speak to me. And then he shows me this kind of deal, and it's just like, dude, boovah, move. Would you would you say that you knew that? Like like, long term, if you look back and say, like, I I I knew this thing was actually part of the issue, or was that a surprise to you? I so

it was in the back of my mind, I knew. So I think it was something that I refused to really admit Yeah. Was that I've been asking God to give me purpose and stuff like that for a long time, and I really haven't heard a whole bunch of it. Yep. But there's no way that could be my fault. Right? Like, that's gotta be God. Mhmm. And so when it finally came into play where I'm just like, hey, man. There's a good chance God has been screaming at you about this for a long time. Yeah. But but you are just stuck and in the way Yeah. And and not really listening to what he's saying and trying to listen for what you want to hear Yeah. Rather than the other one. Because, I mean, it'd be great if I could eat my all my favorite foods and and love Jesus and and do what he wants me to do, but I certainly don't wanna move to Africa and then be the guy that's always laying on the couch in his house that's just like, bring them to me. Right. Growing the king in one chicken wing in a town. I know that they're in a village somewhere, but, like, if you could just move them over here because I can't walk that far. And I'm like, dear lord, but, like, seriously, here's the deal. You are in a situation where you are passionately in love with your father and your savior, and you are so in love with the fact that he's got people that you wanna love on, but you're seriously stuck by the fact that your knees hurt when you walk,

and the fact that you're not certain you could figure out a diet. I'm not gonna use the word pathetic, but that certainly came in my head until God that was a Satan thing where it's just like, hey, man. You're pathetic. I'm like, no. No. No. No. No. I'm just a work in progress. Right. And and I think I'm blind, and this is working. Yeah. Exactly. Right. And so it was, you know, I I I truly mean that. Gianna was a big deal, and and I'm glad that I have her. But, like, more importantly, I realized that it was a huge deal that I I realized that I was in I I was stopping powerless to be it, but I was stopping God from doing what he needed to do with me. And there's a good chance that this is not gonna turn into me going to Africa. Right. And I'm fine with that. If this just means that I get to go out and I meet somebody while I'm running down the road because they go, wow. You're a big dude that's running. And I go, heck, yeah. I am. Do you know Jesus? And I probably won't have go like that. I'll probably just start running with them, but you know what I mean. Yeah. Right. Right. Right.

You know Jesus is the of the Exactly. It's like, did you know that Jesus is the bread of the life? I can't have bread right now. Do you wanna talk about it? No. I sweat it all over this pamphlet. Do you want it? Exactly. I've got a bible track with me. Do you want it? I can see you don't have the bread of life. If this doesn't turn into this divine purpose, that's fine. But it's it's not the point. Right? It's amazing. If I'm wholeheartedly giving my day to day, hour to hour, second to second to giving God that That's what it was after anyway. Right? Exactly. Right? Like, it's finally something that that I wanted to give God my daily routine, but as long as it didn't inhabit my meals, which are a big part of my day. Like, Yeah. I didn't wanna give God my day to day exercises, but I wanted him to have my heart, but not physically because that's a piece of crap. I want him to have the spiritual one that loves him, but not the terrible one that I've got right here that I'm treating poorly by eating fast food and by giving in the things that I love Yeah. And rather than running to him. And it's it's just so wonderful to finally be on the other end of that and looking back and going, a month and a half ago, I was standing in front of God going, take me, and not being able to. Yeah. And the whole here am I, send me thing, and he goes, you're not healthy enough to do it. Right. That was was that was humbling. Yeah. And, it it's been it's been a wild ride. It has been so crazy. Like, there this story goes on for hours. As as Ben, know, like, talked for a long time, and I gave you the I gave you the truncated version. Yeah. This I mean, this story spans years and years and years and has just flipped in a month and a half,

of God just me focusing on him more than I ever have. And I'm so excited because there is so much more room for me to improve, which means that the little improvement that I've done with my diet and exercise in the last month and a half is completely tantamount to just this huge thing that I can do with giving him everything. And I know there's stuff that I'm still not giving him, which means that there's more room for me to grow and fall in love with him. And I'm so excited that the rest of my life is just gonna be figuring out more things to give to him, and he could show me more parts of my heart that he unlocks that I go, awesome. That just means there's more room for you and people, and I'm excited about that. Yeah. I like to think of it as Jesus as as the contractor, as a remodeler. Yeah. And you Oh, absolutely. And you

you're you're at the point where, like, you you would redo in your kitchen and you said, you know what, Jesus? I I know that you're here and you do this remodel work. Why don't you take the kitchen? And then slowly but surely, you agree to actually hand over the living room and the bathroom and all the other stuff that you were hiding as opposed to, you know what? I think I got this one. Right. You know, I'm I'm a joyful guy. I really am, and I'm excited about that. God's given me that, and I'm I'm pumped about the last five years of my life and all the work that he's done. I'm just so excited at the fact that that every day that I'm choosing this, I'm giving him possibly more and more days to continue to work. Yeah. And that just makes me super excited. Like, you know, I know my parents would be proud if they're here, and I know that my friends are proud of me, and my family's proud of me, and and my girlfriend's proud of me, her parents are proud of me, all this stupid stuff. But, like, more importantly, I'm so excited that I can finally even envision that Gaj is looking down and going, dude, boova, well done. You gave up on that crap. Like, you've done it for a month and a half. Let's keep going. Right. And, like, it's this whole thing that, like, I don't wanna stop anytime soon, and I'm excited about that. Because for the first time, it's something where I'm not constantly reminded of my failure, but I'm constantly reminded of his success. Right. Right on. If there's a I don't know if there's a, there's a bunch of tangible, things you gotta think you could take away from that, but I think one of the big ones would be,

there's you can you can fake that stuff, and put a lot of effort into faking it, but there's not freedom in it. And so, you know, I I I know I've talked to plenty of people. I've been there. I've been there myself at times where, like, I feel like I I'm saying, god, do whatever you want. Like, I wanna do it. I wanna be on I wanna do what's going on. But, really, I was offering, like, a, like, 95%. Right. Like, there's always a 5%. You know it. You know you're holding it back. I was talking to someone, recently, who had said, that when people are addicted to things, like, they know it. Like, they know it, they know it's wrong. Like, there's an even people that are that are, you know, heavy addicted to something and they have as a lifestyle, like, at their core, they know it. Right. And the truth is is that, like, with any examination, I can tell you what like, if I'm saying, god, hey. I'll do whatever you want. What do we got going today? But I know the 5% that I'm like, no. I don't want to. And the truth is god's not after that because he

says, like, I hate everything you do. He's after that because it's the thing that you're otherwise saying, I don't trust you with it. And, like, it is it is within the full trust that then, like, you just get to sit back and say, yeah, look what look. Just watch Jesus do sweet stuff with your life. Like, things that otherwise are in service to other people that look like sacrifices that you look back and say, what a joy. I got to be part of that. And Jesus was able to do those types of things through me. I was blessed to be to be chosen. I was, I got to see the world change with good news simply because I stopped holding on to some of those things. And, like, your greatest success is when you give it up. But the truth is is that most of us, and this is this is true for a an often pale lip service Western Christianity is, like, we just don't marry that stuff up. We are, like, 95% in, and you might as well be 10. Like, to to what you're missing out on, you might as well be 10. Like, you're missing the freedom that's there. You're missing the joy that's there. And that five is the big five. Right. That that like, the thing you're holding on to the most is the thing Jesus wants the most for that reason because it's on the because don't wanna do it. Yeah. Freedom's on the other side. It's like you've, rented God,

a couple rooms in the Buva Temple, and he wants the he wants to own the place. Oh, absolutely. Agree. Yeah. We do that. I'd like to purchase the place. Well, I don't need that. Now just stay in this room over here. Alright. You're listening live from the path. Buba, thanks for sharing that. Appreciate it. Absolutely, man. Hey. You guys if you have any questions for Buba, maybe you're going through something similar. You can hook hook up with him on on Twitter. It's at Troy Engledinger. I think I should be yeah. My Twitter handle is at Troy Engledinger. You can hit me up on Facebook too, Troy Engledinger. And just if you if you like live from the path, you'll find me on there also. If you're thinking, wait a minute. Isn't his name John Buba? No. It's actually Troy Engledinger. So and I I mean that sincerely. He's saying that, but I'll I'll I'll echo that too.

Please, please, please contact me. Like, one of the things is, a, you could be a support for me, but more importantly, I I think Jesus can be a support for the both of us. And so if you've got questions, please, please, please hit me up on that stuff. I'm happy to talk about any if it's addiction, if it's just, hey, you know, what's been going on with that, or if it's just, hey, great job, Buva. I'd love that too. So please hit me up on Facebook or, on Twitter. And, you can also send us an email at [email protected], and I'll I'll get that too. Yep. We make sure you get it. And I will say this too. Like, I've been been coming kind of coming alongside a guy going through, Celebrate Recovery, and it echoes a lot of what the stuff that Boob was talking about. And the truth is is, like, one of the things that that program does is is, like, they don't care what your issue is. Like, they they just don't care. Like, it could be anything. And, it's preposterous because you think to yourself, how could a group of people who have no technical skills say they can solve just about any problem? And the truth is is that they can,

because ultimately, it it's it's it's a you and god thing. It's a Jesus thing. Mhmm. And so, like, everything will refine itself down to basic things, most likely. It doesn't mean you won't you couldn't use some extra help. Don't that's not what I'm saying. But what I'm saying is, like, people's problems are just tend to be different flavors of things that Jesus is other otherwise ready and willing to deal with. And so it all becomes very much the same issue after about six weeks, and it's why you can walk in the door and have, you know, the weirdest thing going on in your life. We have an addiction that no one else has ever had. And at its core, Jesus got something for it. And and you'll you'll find that the the people with, porn issues,

are really struggling with very similar things as people that are having problems with heroin. Like, I mean Yep. Like, I'm not joking. It's it it over time, it molds out to be similar things. There are different physical things that go into some of that that you have to learn to deal with, but, like, at its core It's a heart that needs Jesus. Yep. Yep. Like and and it's it's the same. It's it's with food. It's with, like, everything. It it all kinda blends into the same thing. So just also, that is that is a good support infrastructure. It's,

having just kinda sat in on it for a while, I like it. And think it's very valuable. It it, it does things that the church should do. It it gives you close community. It gives you, the ability to to meet Jesus where you're at, and to be there with other people who are in the similar place. And so it's it's just a cool program. It's it's it's not specific to a church. Right? So if you if you're interested in that, just know there's nothing that you're going through that they can't help with, just because there's nothing you go through that Jesus isn't on board with that he can't help with. Right. And

and and so just just do a Google search. You'll find one around you within the 30 miles guaranteed and, hook up with that. It's not there's nothing too minor either just because there's other people that are going through what you would consider to be a big thing. If it's a hang up of yours, if it's keeping you from Jesus, like, whatever it is, just go. Just go. It'll be fine. It it's a good program. Alright. So let's, do you have some booba? Yeah. You ready for some deer on the path? Yep. So let's we're gonna get ready around at the show. We'll do some advice on deer life from the path. Just to remind you that we're hanging out also in studio with the folks from the fish factory. You can go check that out, and we we said strongly encourage you to go like it on Facebook. And Someone just did. Oh, right on. I was gonna say, I did, like, thirty minutes ago, so super easy. Yeah. There you go. There go. It's just a search and a thumbs up. Exactly. It's like living the dream. I did it too. Dan's in. Man, you're doing great. You're you're climbing. You can do it too. Alright, Bubba. Go ahead. Alright. Dear live from the path. When I was growing up, I was always told to remove my shoes when visiting another person's house, especially if they have new flooring. Now that I'm an adult and building a new house, I would like to ask people to remove their shoes upon entering my home.

I have young children and expect family with other small kids will visit. I'd like to keep the floors clean and maintain their good condition. Would it be tacky or rude to ask this to visitors? No. I don't think so. I mean, I wouldn't do it. Like, I mean, I I I don't have that in my place. But, like You want the new floors? Yeah. No. I I don't put floors in my house that I would care about that. I was gonna say, is it is it part of just being a, like, a host? If you're gonna have people at your house, you kind of expect that something not not every time, but something bad's gonna happen. I mean, there's gonna be a mess sometimes if you have a bunch of people in your place. With it. Yeah. But I mean, I do check. Like, when I go into a house, I look to see whether they're they have shoes piled up at the door. And so, like, mean, it's a pretty pretty common thing, but, like, hey. Shoes? No shoes? I don't think there's a big stigma nor are you, like, super, stuck up to, like, ask people to take off the shoes. I wouldn't sweat it. I'll just put it that way. I wouldn't worry about it from a hospitality standpoint, but I wouldn't sweat it if you feel like it's a deal. Then just say, hey. You mind taking off your shoes? Like, it's just I'm just not that offended by it. Have you ever been like, you kept your shoes on, you walked in, and someone's asked you to take your shoes off and walk back? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You said same people that have our timer on their toilet, so it's alright. Oh, they have to be straight. Nine more minutes. We're gonna have two plastic things on the couch. You know? Don't sit on the couch, please. Yeah. Okay. Fair enough. Yeah. And it's not that big of a deal. Like, I think that this person is is looking kinda too far into if they're being rude or tacky. I mean, if you want to, just ask. It's like a new house. Do what you want, but I think it is tacky. Yeah. I I was gonna say, but at the same point in time, just go, alright. Well, I'm gonna clean the floor anyway. There's a lot of things that are tacky. I just like that one seems a little bit

nominal to me. I just like if you're polite, like you say, if you're polite, you're gonna look, and you but but everybody's not polite. Right. And here's the thing. Here's what I would do is I would say, I think most people will check. Yeah. And then some people won't, and then they're gonna figure out that everyone else is in sock feet, and they're probably gonna do it on their own. That's exactly what I every time I look for shoes. I'm like, what shoes do? Extra slippers so you can slip off the shoes, put on the slippers. You're good to go. I do you does it do you do you own slippers? Move it, you got slippers? I I have house shoes. Yeah. There you go. House shoes. House shoes. What is that? The kind that you only wear in the house. I say house shoes, and the only reason I know they're called house shoes is when I ordered them, they were called house shoes. Now do I know the difference between house shoes and slippers? Absolutely not. Jeff, what do you have slippers or house shoes? Yeah. I have multiple pairs. He's he's loaded with them. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's like you'd never leave home without them. I had no idea. They're wonderful. I bought a pair of I I okay. I'm a big guy. I have enormous feet. And so I decided I was like, I can never find shoes, but I'm gonna I'm gonna spend some money on some legit house shoes. Yeah. They were one of the best decisions I've ever made in my entire life. They're, like, $85 The phone I have size enormous feet. Fine. They're really nice. Oh, yeah. They're all It was great. Feet. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm flabbergasted at this. I I don't even about to spend $48 to have a monkey come to your house or come I to can have a double that shoes. I have a pair of house shoes that are durable and are wonderful and feel good to my I could almost have two monkeys for what you paid for those shoes. That memory will sail. You could have two days you could have two days of a monkey party, but I can have years of comfort. Dan, do you have slippers? I I have a pair of slippers that are really annoying me because they're they're somehow this never happens to be. They're a little too big. And so I as I walk around the house, they fall off my feet. Oh. And I Yes. Get mad, and I throw them at the wall. Hey, man. What size are they? What? What size are they? I don't know. I I wear thirteens, but Not even close. Yeah. I was gonna say if they're too big, you wanna you wanna hand me the pair of house shoes? Hey. We you guys can conduct your man's slipper business on a different time. Alright. Fair enough. We don't have to do it. Nancy, do you have slippers?

Like, do you take them with you out of the house? I no. No. Okay. You you don't travel with them? Yeah. And I warned her about that. Hey. Listen. I'm on a different wave like with you boys right here. Okay? I'm redoing our basement, and she realized that there's actually nails Right. On the floor down there, and then your sock feet House shoes will be perfect for that. You need house shoes. Wait. They'll they'll stand up to nail pin House shoes have have tread on them. No problems. I had no idea. I had no idea this part of the world existed. Great. Alright. So recommendation, we said, you know, it's a little tacky. It's a little tacky, but, like, maybe you should look into getting floors that you're not so freaked out about. Like, I get it looking nice, but, like, nobody not too many people are just gonna stare at your floors and go, wow. You must have spent a lot of money on those. I mean, she said she has kids. Right? Yeah. Mean gonna happen. Yeah. If you have young kids, like, you're expecting to have those kids in the house for fifteen more years. Nah. Like, you really think you're gonna put in nice floors and not get screwed up? Don't waste your money on the floor. Grab your nail polish or they're gonna crayon on the floor day two. We have, yeah, we have burn marks from, like, hot cocoa that melted the I was gonna say. Carpet's gone. They they can't even have fire, but somehow they'll create it on your floors. Like, come on, man. Yeah. You gotta understand. Alright. I I was I was walking through we we got new carpet recently, and and and my wife's like, what are you doing? You got shoes on. I'm like, it's my house.

Paid for this. One And where would I want? One time CNL shoes. You got that. Oh, yeah. Let's see what second I was gonna say. I don't think so, but some people may. In Japan, removing one's shoes before entering a Thank you. Entering a dwelling is customary. Mhmm. The soles of shoes are covered with germs. And if small children crawl around on your floors, it's not too much to The average mustache is covered in germs. Let's let's be honest.

Be sure to warn prospective guests in advance so they can bring their own slippers or keep a supply of them by your front door. Wait a minute. Wait. This is a BYOS party. Hold your own slippers. Hold on. You're gonna tell your guests. Hey. Bring Party at my place. Be there at 06:30. We're fast. We're late by seven. Make certain you bring your own pair of slippers. But if you forget, I've got a stock of them at the door.

Do you have different sizes like you're a bowling alley? Like, what's going on? Just spraying them. Yeah. Exactly. Do you have the spray? I'm like, hey. Do you have anything above a fourteen? And then they go, no. Last thing say, can I have a fourteen and a size six to just put them together? Wait, Jeff. Do those count? Those booties? Yeah. Those little booties like the the guys put on? Yeah. Those good. I I seriously disposable. Oh, that's perfect. I wanna get I wanna contact the hospital supplier of the booties Yeah. And then put those on my feet and walk around your house and slide through your kitchen. Yeah. Don't worry, Bruce. Sanitary booties at the door. And they double as a hairnet. Right. Exactly. Like, hey, man. I got a big beard too. Like, ripped. Recovered from top to bottom. Oh, it's got no problems. No germs in these carpets. Oh, man. Alright. Alright. Oh, hell. Okay. Sorry, Buva. I found one. I'm gonna do one. I think you're about to do the one I was gonna do, so go ahead. It says, dear life from the path. I'm a 57 year old lady. Is this the one? Yep. Alright. I have been a widow twenty three years and chose not to date while raising my daughter, who is now 26. I would now like to meet a nice man to spend time with, but I suffer from an affliction many older women deal with Woah. Alopecia. My hair is very thin. With wigs and makeup, I look attractive enough. I thought it was an allergy to to almond. I was wrong about that. Alopecia? Yeah. It's a hair problem. Okay. Hair is thin hair. I'm

afraid I'm being deceptive when I meet a man like that. When is the right time to tell a man when he sees what he sees is not what he gets? I get it. So she's got thin hair, so she puts on wigs and makeup and thinks she looks okay. But she's afraid if she picks up a man, there's gonna be a point where you gotta spill the beans and say, I'm wearing a piece. Kinda come out in conversation? I mean, oh, by the way I wear a piece. There is that date, that one date where you say, okay. Let's just lay it all out there. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, life's life. Life's that. You know? Yeah. Mean, she's she's coming up on on 60. I don't Careful careful there. Be careful. I think Nancy is a very young age. Just wait wait on it. Wait on it. You're coming up on

60. I feel like like there's no reason not to just be honest with this thing. I I might as well just be honest. At any age, there's no problem with being honest about this thing. But I mean, does anyone think at 60, you have a 20 year old head of hair? Yeah. That that's I don't have one. Right. That's what I'm saying. Like, the ex I don't. There's no reason to set unreasonable expectations. Yeah. Okay. I think we may have a very skewed version of what this is gonna look like because none of us will ever experience this, especially that you've been. I'm balding.

I've been balding for a decade and a half. Okay. So so I just thought you have more hair than I have. Like, I I don't think that's a first date conversation. It's like, hey. By the way, you realize how great I look right now? It's completely fake. I'm a fake. I have I have makeup on, and this is a wig. Like, that's a weird way to do it. Well, I think go out and I think dentures. In society, men have an understanding that, like, we get that that is a a presented artful way that you wanted to look today. Like, I think that we all understand that's the concept of makeup. That's the concept of doing your hair and dying your hair different colors is this is physically what you want it to look like, and that may not be what you actually look like. If you're hanging around with some 60 year old dude that doesn't get that yet, run. Yeah. He's the wrong dude. Run. Yeah. Because if he's the kind of guy that goes, hold up. That's makeup? That's not your actual face? Like, that is the kind of guy that was not been paying attention for sixty years. Your eyelids are not naturally smoking? Right. Yeah.

This is outrageous. Right. Exactly. There's a reason he's not married. Right. Exactly. Right? There's a reason he's outdating, and he's probably at creepy bars when he's not with you. Right? So Yeah. Right. So if you're with the kind of guy that is gonna actually be upset about that and be in the situation where he goes, I can't believe you fooled me into believing that that's what you actually look like, Myrtle, Like, that's that's absolutely ridiculous. She's she's too worried about it. Yeah. Yeah. She needs to say, hey. From a practical perspective, when you feel comfortable, it is not about how he feels comfortable or where he's at. If you feel comfortable having that conversation, I think that that is your He's been sucking it in. Now you're gonna find out. Exactly. Right. Like, he doesn't naturally smell like that. He's wearing Stetson. And he like like, he's doing something. That depends. Right. Yeah. Exactly. There's one day when you're gonna be sitting on the couch together, you're gonna look over and be like, I knew that gut was bigger than he was like. Here's the deal. Guy is gonna try a he's gonna do a a first date salad. Alright? He's gonna try to make it sound like he eats it. No. Wasn't. Yeah. Exactly. You sit there. Boom. Boom. Boom. And here's the deal. That's a lie. That man's lying. Yeah. The first couple of dates, you're lying and figuring out what salad is. His hairpiece. Alright? It ain't right. Exactly.

So, honestly, when you're comfortable, it is about what you feel okay with. It is perfectly fine if you don't wanna divulge on that on the first date or the second date, but if you want to on the third, your prerogative go ahead. I mean, don't don't say I do without telling the man you're Exactly. That that'd be a long time. It's just like, hey. You know about my credit score and about everything I've done in the last sixty years, but by the way, shazam. Like, I don't think that's a good way to do it. I don't know why you'd say shazam when you take your wig off, but that's the first catchphrase I thought of. I like it. Alright. So did we how do we do? Did we get this Nancy, we were on rough territory there. How did we do? You were right up. Right on. Okay. Okay. We're good. Did we have a date like that? I mean, did we have a one We're not at a week on time. No. Where where we where we finally where we finally were really honest. How do you name that? Okay. That's the third date? Okay. That's right. Exactly. Fourth date is called the honest date. Full disclosure date. Man, I thought that was gonna take another turn. I said, Jeff, we kept ourselves out of trouble here, and you just decided to just I just stepped right back in. So, Nancy, when were you wearing that wig there?

No, Jeff. I had the I had the false salad. Alright. What's the what's the secular advice? Hey. You really wanna read this one. Oh, shoot. Okay. Sorry. Let's see. Oh, the dear embarrassed, the logical time to tell someone would be at the point you are becoming intimate enough that he would be running his hands through your hair.

Hey. I didn't see that coming. What are your thoughts? Hula hula hula Sarah my hand. How many dates how many dates was it? That's Secular. That's awkward. Come on. Really? Like, I don't hold you to a high standard at all. I never What is I never once held you to a high standard.

But, like, the date that you go, what? Like, that's not Can I take this home so I can remember you lying? At least it'll be, oh, man. That's terrible. Yeah. Let me Change your wicked ways, secular. Woah. Woah. Let me stop you right there, Buck Rogers. Before

before you put your hand in my hair. No. Before you run your hand passionately and lovingly through my hair, we need to talk about what this might consist of. Belong to a horse. Here's the thing. I use mane and tail conditioner. That is not a safe proposition. It's gonna get caught in the Aquanet one way or the other. Like, real hair or not, I you don't dive in. Aqua net. That is a rough that's a rough idea. I'm not I'm a lot wigs a whole lot better than men wear a toupee. No. I think they're you know? I think we have very public proof of that right now. But we have some good spray on stuff. Yeah. That I swear my grandma was say or it was my my mom's grandma was cycling through the golden girls hairstyles and wigs. Like, she was she was having she was just, like, trying some out, after some, after some cancer treatments. Uh-huh. So, her hair was falling out. And so, like but, like, the the the array, she could not have I if she wasn't doing it intentionally, but, I mean, they they look just like cycling through Estelle Geddy and then, you know,

mawed. You know, like, it was it was she was rolling through the golden girls. It was, some of them were dead on. Wow. Oh, man. Alright. Change your ways, secular. Yeah. Yeah. Don't wait until the date when he's about to run his hands through your hair. That's creepy. I boy, that's just not my standard. I feel like that's yeah. How do you stop someone in that? Hold up. It's just like throwing someone up to block When someone try to poke your eyes. You do this? Yeah. That's what it's like. Before you touch my hair, I've got a few things to discuss. Yeah. Travis,

we've been going steady for a while now. We need to talk about my hairpiece. I mean, that's equivalent of of, like, a lady reaching out to rub a guy's belly, and he's like, hey. I've been wearing a man garment. So Right. Exactly. The day that she decides to go, hi, sweetheart. He goes, hold up. Hold on. Rips it off. This is the real me. I feel comfortable now. And I'm a hair club for men. I it's just hands are to the just for men box. This is who I really am. Wow.

You don't you can't handle this. People. If you're planning on having legitimate relationships, understand that their honesty needs be there, but it doesn't have to be day one. But you don't have to wait until it's weirdly awkward. Yeah. Just figure out communication. It's not that hard. Yeah. Like, if they find out that your eyebrows were tattooed because they were gonna take a grab of them, like, it's too late. It's too late. Hey. Those look what? Like, that's But don't wait too long. Those look like that. Right. I I've seen those too, and they're Don't wait too long because if you get to the wedding day and you don't recognize that person next to you Exactly. Right. That's not a good thing. And besides, you should have had very intimate conversations before your wedding day about the the nitty gritty details of yourself so you know what you're getting into. And hopefully, your wig came up in the conversation before that day. Yeah. Oh, alright. Sure. Yeah. Alright. Alright. Let's do let's do one more. You got one more? Hold on.

No. No. No. No. What is that? A poem? Come on. Here's the deal. These self serving people that are writing into the dear life and the path was like, hey. Here's this poem that I enjoy. You kill people this for me? Could this get on your national publication? Because that'd be great. They created Facebook just for this type of thing that you don't have to run it through the the dear life from the path. Alright. Here we go. No. No. No. That one's not good. Do you want me to pull one up? Oh, yeah. Here we go. I love this one. This one hits home. Dear life in the path. I have an issue with my father and don't know where to turn. Uh-oh. Dad is in his early eighties, and aside from poor eyesight, he's in good health.

I'm concerned because he has developed an unusual habit. He likes to look through the dumpsters behind the grocery store. Initially, he told me oh. Oh. Oh, no. Yeah. Okay. Initially, he told me it was to get old produce for compost in his garden. See, this is what I was reading to I I if I kept reading, it seems better. First, I thought it was just get old produce. Yeah. Yeah. Get old produce rotten tomatoes. It was to get old produce for compost in his garden. But I've learned that he eat oh, he eats seven things he finds. He got paws. I have tried telling him this is dangerous. He could cut himself digging to the trash or get food poisoning.

He refuses to listen and insists what he is doing is safe. He is not forced to do this out of economic necessity. He has enough money to buy groceries. The situation become critical because he's now planning to cook something he found in the dumpster for a family gathering. Oh. Oh, that took a turn for the worst, Dan. I told him not to do it. If he does prepare food from the trash, I told him he must let people know where it came from. True form, so they can make an informed decision about whether to eat it. Actually, that's pretty judicious. Dear life in the past, please help. Grossed out. Alright. It's it's time to go to a neurologist. There's probably some dementia going on. Yeah. Oh, man. That's what we don't want grandpa's trash cabbage for Thanksgiving. Can we can we please stay away from that? Yeah. That's not Dan, I I think I would agree with Dan. That's not just, like, quirky behavior. Like, yeah. Yeah. There's something it's the corner. Yeah. Is this man driving himself to the store and then going to the the the dumpsters? Are you taking him there? Or, like But this is a pretty common thing with dementia. They'll have they'll keep things in the refrigerator for for Way too long? Way too long. Yeah. Eat it and get sick. I used have to watch my mom's stuff all the time. I go in there and, hey. I'm just gonna check and throw things away, you know, when they're not looking. They just don't know. That's just not right. Yeah. This is your father. No matter no matter how how seasoned

he is, I said that intentionally, how seasoned the man is. Like, he's still your dad, and he's not gonna take your direction very well no matter what. And so you may be running into a to a to a problem with you trying to tell him, hey, dad. Stop eating the produce from the garbage. But you're exactly right. A neurologist or or a medical professional of some kind. This out. Yeah. Yeah. Explaining that that's a bad deal, maybe not finding dementia, but just saying, hey. Maybe you should stop doing that could be enough to to to deter this problem. Yeah. So, like, I think where you gotta be careful, right, is if you look at him, especially, you know, old guys get a tag of stubborn, but, like Right. You know, this it may not just be he just not a guy set in his ways. He there might be something going on. I'm it's absolutely yeah. Yeah. Alright. However, if you find roadkill and use a little roadkill helper, it it really ceases it up nicely. Be fine. It's which is possible for dinner with some trash cabbage. What's up with its own rice? Oh.

Thank you, Dan. Oh. I'm not going to eat the next five days. That was that was good. That was one of the more gross things I've ever heard. And Dan's invisible chalkboard head goes, alright. Yes. What is what was secular advice on that one? Hold on. Hold on a second. I'm I'm getting to it. Alright. Secular advice was, if you can't convince your father to disclose to relatives that the food he's serving may have come from a dumpster, you should alert them to that possibility. Mubo, what are your recommendations on how to go about something? I I A sign at the door. Please take off your shoes and heads up. Next to our medical booties,

there is a waiver that says if you eat grandpa's dinner, there's a chance you'll get sick because it actually came from behind the fairway. I mean, if it was well cooked, I you know, there's no reason to oblige you with the problem. I don't know. Yeah. I still think that dumpster produce is probably gonna be bad no matter what. I feel like Jeff's more reasonable on this one. I'm gonna talk to him about it. Alright. Fair enough. You go talk to him. I'm a I'm a stay over here in the healthy corner. Alright. Oh, there was a there was a PS here. A worldwide trend I heard about recently is something called. The term is derived from a cross between free and vegan. Thank you. Mhmm. Frigans

rescue food from behind markets to share among themselves to combat food waste. And in Paris, France, there's even a restaurant that serves food procured this way for a reduced fee. Can I can I call that as a nonbiblical sign of the apocalypse? Yes. Like, can I can I revisit that as freeganism? That's freaking ridiculous. We have a name for it. Hello. Hello.

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So anyway, go check that out. And, hey. Here's the deal. Employ the principle. Right? Like, hey. Commit long term. You're in here for relationships. You're gonna follow Jesus and take people with you. Taking people with you means they're coming along the journey that you're going on. That's a that that's a that's a normal haul. Right? It doesn't have to be extra heavy. It just has to be the haul that you're on. K? So meet people where they're at. Hang out. The fish factory is open. You can come hang out there and meet folks, play cribbage. I gotta learn it. I'm gonna pick up We might have to go together and learn some cribbage. Yeah. We're gonna do it. We're gonna do it. Do you have it at home? Oh, I have it. Privacy. Is it a card game? No. No. Well, yeah, it's a card game with pegs. It's a counting game. You can do it, boys. You can do it. Alright. Okay. Alright. She's taught me before. Okay. And I've I've been relatively successful in that, so I think she can do it again. Okay. Awesome. That's what we're gonna do. Alright. So, anyway, like that stuff on Facebook, and keep track of the events that are going on. That ladies event's coming right up on Tuesday, the twenty eighth. Twenty eighth. Doors open at 06:30. Starts at seven, and it's at, 37 22nd Avenue. Thank you guys for coming in. I really do appreciate it. Alrighty. Thank you. And, we will see you, next week. In the meantime, be faithful in the means. God will handle the ends. You've been listening to Live From The Path.

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