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Live From The Path · Season 2023, Episode 29

Saying Flesh

Recorded · 1:27:00 · 18,091 words transcribed

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Segments

  • Happy Holidays vs Merry Christmas Cold Open 0:01–4:42
    A host opens with a mock-serious inner monologue about whether saying 'happy holidays' instead of 'Merry Christmas' makes him a worse Jesus-follower, noting he means Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Year. The hosts riff on culture-war bullying around the phrase, with one sticking with Christmas and another saying he barely says any greeting at all.
  • Six Things, Part 1: The Devil Made Me Do It 4:43–9:10
    The hosts walk through item one of the article: 'the devil made me do it.' They agree Eve's blame-shift and Adam's are real but unhelpful, cite James 1:14 on being dragged away by one's own evil desires, and land on battling the flesh instead of outsourcing sin to Satan. Side riffs cover Judas, John's annotated asides, and discomfort with the word 'flesh.'
  • Six Things, Part 2: We're All God's Children 9:11–11:27
    Item two of the article: 'we're all God's children.' A host who has said it admits guilt; the room agrees 'God's creation' is accurate while 'God's children' is theologically distinct, citing 1 John 3:10 on intimate, familial relationship through repentance and Jesus' sacrifice. They squirm at power-preachers asking 'how do you treat a daughter of God?' of possibly non-Christian audiences.
  • Six Things, Part 3: Everything Happens for a Reason 11:27–14:30
    Item three of the article: 'everything happens for a reason.' The discussion follows the article's caution that the phrase can short-circuit real engagement with suffering, with the hosts probing when the saying comforts versus when it dismisses.
  • Six Things, Part 4: God Needed Another Angel 14:31–19:03
    Item four of the article: 'God needed another angel.' A host recounts how telling a grieving person 'your dad is DJing for all the angels in heaven' felt right in the moment but now sounds awful, since it would be his dad's nightmare. The article's text on death as inescapable reality and grasping for hope in grief is read and discussed.
  • Six Things, Part 5: Satan Is Testing Me 19:04–24:27
    The article's item on 'Satan is testing me.' A window-washer anecdote opens a longer debate: a host dislikes claiming Satan personally targets him because it feels arrogant and distracts from his own laziness and choices, noting Satan is rarely shown acting adversarially against specific individuals outside Jesus' temptation, Adam and Eve, and Job. The room settles on spiritual warfare being possible but personal responsibility being the norm.
  • Six Things, Part 6: I'm Blessed 24:28–33:37
    The article's final item: 'I'm blessed.' A host pushes back that blessing in scripture is a declaration of God's approval and identity, not a reaction to events like a new home or a found coupon, citing Genesis 1:28. The room extends the critique to social-media blessing posturing, especially after hard events like a legitimate divorce, arguing there should be room to mourn what God created good rather than rebranding loss as opportunity.
  • News Bits: Schneider, the Hallow App, and Worship-Band Boundaries 33:37–40:19
    Quick-hit news the hosts don't linger on: Rob Schneider's conversion-era warning that a real storm is brewing, Jesus already won, and this is a 'mop-up mission' requiring faith-fortified families; then the prayer app Hallow defending a partnership decision after considering actor Liam Neeson's pro-abortion advocacy. The segment closes with a listener-style question: is it okay for a non-Christian to play bass in a worship band or sing songs they wrote that praise Jesus?
  • Merch Plug: Mike Machoman and Call Me Diesel 40:20–42:58
    A shop plug at lifefromthepath.org/shop: shirts from a short-lived every-show T-shirt-quote series including a Mike Machoman shirt, a Call Me Diesel shirt attributed to Nathaniel, propaganda with the thrift store priest, and a trucker hat. The bit is framed as spending money on regrettable items.
  • Ask the Pastor: Why Is Revelation the End? 42:58–55:57
    Boova asks why Revelation is the last book and how the 66-book canon got closed. The answer pushes back on the 'council of old white dudes at Nicaea hid books from you' narrative: the canon was largely recognized by the mid-second century, evidenced by what early Christian writers quote, while works like the Gospel of Thomas and Gospels of Peter are never quoted by them. The segment ends with the warning to handle Revelation's add-or-take-away language in context and 'be smarter than the Mormons.'
  • Why John Feels Different From the Synoptics 55:57–1:08:01
    Reading through the Bible in a couple of weeks, Boova finds Matthew, Mark, and Luke unremarkable but John feeling like a whole different story. The answer situates John as the latest writer, likely in the 80s or 90s after the other apostles died, pulling the narrative together in Greek, Roman-influenced Asia Minor for perseverance in the now-but-not-yet; the Eden-to-Revelation arc and John 3:16 are offered as John's synthesizing line in the sand.
  • Dear LFTP: The Husband Giving Away Game Tickets 1:08:01–1:15:01
    After the Bob Eisenlauer complaint-line plug, Boova reads a Dear LFTP letter from a wife whose husband keeps offering their college-age son's four complimentary game tickets to friends without warning, forcing the son to scrounge tickets from teammates. The hosts advise letting the husband bear the chaos he creates, having the son speak up directly to his dad, and not waiting on late friends; the Secular answer is blunt: the husband behaves this way because he doesn't have to bear the burden of inconvenience he causes.
  • Dear LFTP: Chronically Sloppy and Overwhelmed 1:15:01–1:25:52
    Boova reads a Dear LFTP letter from a listener who calls themselves chronically sloppy, overwhelmed with anxiety whenever facing messes, and asks what to do. The hosts advise starting comically small (scrub the egg spatula daily), finding an encourager rather than a harsh accountability paddle, and treating resolution attempts as a marathon; one host adds that persistent overwhelm may signal something deeper like anxiety or self-worth struggles worth facing. The Secular answer recommends admitting the problem, tackling one project at a time, and asking a doctor for a psychotherapist referral.
  • Outro: Rounding Out the Year 1:25:52–1:26:19
    Outro: the hosts note the year is rounding out with at least one more show to come, invite listeners to call or text, tell them to pick out holiday hits for friends and strangers to hashtag-bless, and close with the standing benediction: be faithful in the means, God will handle the ends.

Bible references

  • Matthew 6:24

    No one can serve two masters. For either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other.

  • Genesis 3:13

    The serpent deceived me, and I ate.

  • James 1:14

    Each one is tempted when, by his own evil desires, he is dragged away and enticed.

  • John 13:27

    The devil entered him (Judas).

  • 1 John 3:10

    This is how we know who the children of God are.

  • Philippians 4:13

    Is Philippians four thirteen on it when you're working out?

  • Genesis 1:28

    Then God blessed them, commanding them to be fruitful and increase.

  • Revelation 22:18-19

    We're not supposed to add or take away from the scripture.

  • John 3:16

    We get John three sixteen.

Key questions

  • Is it okay to say 'happy holidays' instead of 'Merry Christmas' without being less loving toward Jesus? (host-framed)
  • Why is Revelation the last book of the Bible, and how do we know the 66-book canon is closed? (hard-question)
  • Why does John's gospel feel like a whole different story from the synoptics? (host-framed)
  • A listener's husband keeps giving her son's complimentary college-game tickets to friends without warning; what should she do? (dear-lftp)
  • A listener is chronically sloppy, becomes overwhelmed with anxiety when cleaning, and asks what to do. (dear-lftp)

People

  • Rob Schneider
  • Liam Neeson
  • John the Apostle
  • Dan
  • Ben
  • Nathaniel
  • Mormons

Full transcript

Live from the Pathway Studios in Johnston proper. You are live from the path. Is it okay to say happy holidays is a question? Yeah.

I mean, there's lots of holidays. True. But, like, sometimes I have this inner monologue where I'm like, am I not loving Jesus by saying happy holidays? When I when I say if I ever say happy holidays, I'm thinking Thanksgiving, so it includes God, Christmas, and New Year. You're saying strictly from day. From a plural perspective. Only the Christian sanctioned holidays. Okay. Only

only the top three. People can take it however they want. That's funny. Yeah. I say it all the time now, and I was like, wait a minute. Am I being am I being, like, not good Jesus man by saying happy holidays versus merry Christmas, sir or madam? Yeah. I stick with the Christmas.

You got bullied thought you might. You've been bullied by the culture of booba. Yeah. You've been taken in. I don't I don't really say any of the above, really. I mean, I can't like, on the show, it feels seems harmless, but, I mean, I don't walk down the street going, merry Christmas, Ted. Here's the deal. Either. I was walking around shopping in a Santa hat. So I'm I this happens a lot to me. Like, I do a lot of happy holidays. Oh, yeah. That's just the jolly fella I am. Like, I was walking in Valley Junction the other day, someone legitimately called me Santa. And it was just an old man walking by himself. Just walked up and said, hey, Santa, and then shook my hand.

Okay. Alright. Here's what we're going on the show this week. That was awkward. So Buba has a spattering of questions. So let's see if can fly over them. The first one is let let's let's go in reverse order if I recall. We'll see. Why is why

is revelation the end? Yes. Right. Yeah. Why does the bible end in revelation, and who said it should? Yeah. Why why like, which leads to all kinds of interesting questions like, hey. Why can't we add some more today? Who's who who decided? Why were they allowed to decide? Yeah. Josephus wrote stuff. Yeah. He was a scholar. Why isn't there a book of Josephus? Why can't why can't Joe be in? These are all good questions. It's probably helpful if you're a Christian to be in the bible. Yeah. Yeah. But Oh, dang. Yeah. Good point. I mean, you know Yeah. Yeah. Why don't we have the gospel of Stan? Basic things we we generally check. Alright. Are they believers? Are they Maybe it's an easier answer than I thought it was. Fine. So we'll we'll hit that up. And then we talked a little bit about what's what's distinct about the book of John Yeah. Relative to every other gospel. Right. Like, if you go through just rapid fire reading your your four gospels, John just feels off, just odd,

like, thematically and, like, the conclusions that are drawn, and it just seems to be not a different story about a different fella, but, like, just a, like, way off from left conversation about who this Jesus guy is and what his life meant. Okay. So we're gonna talk a little bit about that. There's probably compelling reasons for that, so maybe we'll touch on those types of things. Okay. Yeah. And then there was a there was a question on how do we think about and this comes up from time to time on the show was how do we take Paul's description of of ladies

in the church in the first Corinthians what is it? 11? 11? Yeah. Okay. 11 ish area. Right. Yeah. Essentially, I've I've never read the the conversation or the the statements from Paul regarding, like, women in the temple or the church and what they're supposed to be doing, what they're not supposed to be doing, some comments on fellas with long hair and why it's unnatural, and just some random things that, like, I I've glanced over too quickly. I just go, oh, that's weird, and then just walk past it.

And this last time, I tried to take a second and go, okay. Well, if I believe all all scripture to be good and holy and and, you know, god breathed and good for my understanding, like, what does this mean to me now? Does it change anything for me? And how am I to take it? And so, yeah, I just I wanted to to take a second to to live in that and go, what the heck, man? Is is is Paul being a schmuck? Like, what's going on? Mhmm. Mhmm. It seems yeah. Yeah. We'll see. We'll we'll we'll hit that one up. Oh, what was it? Dog on it. I lost it. It was sick. It was six things you cannot say if you follow Jesus. Where did it go? Please tell me it's just six cuss words. Dog on it. I gotta I really want it. Want Six things you can't say. The s word. Here. Hold on. The f word.

I gotta find it. The d word. This is intriguing. Six things you can't say. Six six things. I hate you. Okay, Dan. Oh oh, here we go. There it is. Okay. We're gonna do this one. I was so excited for it. Who's this woman on the front? Oh my. There's a there's a lady on the front of the article. Go on. Hold on a minute. Gotta get the full picture. Oh, jeez. Oh my. Okay. So we're gonna see we're gonna see what they are, and then you can you

can say guilty if you've if you've you've done this thing. Oh, I'm terrified by that. Okay. Okay. In the gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, Jesus' command to follow me appears repeatedly. In many cases, Jesus was calling the 12 men who would become his disciples, but other times he was speaking to anyone who wanted what he had to offer. To truly follow Jesus means he has to become everything to us. Everyone follows something, full colon, friends, popular culture, family, selfish desires. Boy, that took a turn. Or GD. Oh, weird. What? There's no I don't know if he omitted the o for reverence purposes. I'm not sure. We can only follow one thing at a time. Matthew six says, No one can serve two masters. For either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other. Mhmm. There are many things you will say on your journey as a follower of Christ, Buva. It's important that what we say is truly representative of our faith. Too often, people like Dan will things with good intent in relation to their personal lives or the lives of others that aren't based in the Bible. These statements can be damaging, can also interfere with our walk with God or someone else's. Here are six things you can't say while following Jesus. Is Philippians four thirteen on it when you're working out? It's going to be ready. Yeah. It's gonna be ready. Number one, the devil made me do it. Not

guilty. You can't say that. Yes. You can't say it, Dan. You have to give it up. Dan, did I see that you ate three $100 bars? Okay. It says, this statement finds its genesis in the Garden of Eden. When Eve ate the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, God confronted her about it. She shifted the blame for sin by saying, the serpent deceived me, and I ate. I mean, that's not untrue. It's what happened. One of the bigger parts of that story. Yeah. I get it. I mean, there was a it was a blame shift, and Adam will do the same thing probably, like, in a much grosser way, to be honest with you, but it is what occurred. She made me do it. I mean, yeah, the serpent was involved. Yeah. That's right. Things haven't changed much over time. As much as we'd like to make Satan the scapegoat for all our bad choices, the concept just isn't biblical. While Satan is the driving force behind much of the evil in our world today, we have our own sinful nature to blame for most of our sins. James one fourteen says, Each one is tempted when, by his own evil desires, he is dragged away and enticed. While it may seem discouraging to realize sin we struggle with finds its origin within ourselves, it can also be empowering.

Instead of having to battle a satanic attack, all we have to do is battle our flesh. I really think we should use the word flesh less often. Don't know. Maybe if you say, Look, raise your hand. If most of your room has been into church and known Jesus for, like, ten years, maybe you can start saying flesh as often as we do. Yes. Like, I feel to do it. We could give it up, and I think it'd be fine. I mean, this is the culture of the walking dead. Right? Yes. So you might think of something different. That's true. They're gonna take the context is weird. Take this and eat my flesh. Yeah. It's like, ah, gross. Yeah. I know I mean, let's not give up on the the symbolism here, but, like, do we have do we have to say flesh? It just I don't know. It doesn't Body seems to work. I don't think it hits right. Okay. So, yeah, but the devil made do it. Made me do it. Now it it feels like Judas could say that. Then John back to John, John says the devil entered him. Now I think it's an influence thing. It doesn't necessarily have to be a Uh-huh. He, like, took me over. Right. And, obviously, Judas was a nefarious character. John also was very clear about that. Like, this is funny about John. He's making side commentary all over the place. Everyone's like, this happened. This happened. He's like, that nefarious evil doer son of perdition.

Like And then there's John throwing Jesus love. That's right. He's like John's hand comes so good and his stomach exploded. They call it the feud blood now. He did his own annotated gospel. He really did. He wrote it down, and he's like, now what's my commentary on it? Alright. Of the t shirts he designed for each of the disciples. Judas as he was destined to always be evil. Here we go. Number two, we're all god's children. We're all god's children. What? Generally,

guilty? Are you guilty, Pooh? Not guilty. I don't say that. I'd say it. I mean, not often. I don't know if I'm saying it every day, but like I I would say we're all God's creation, but, I mean, God's children is a different ballgame. Oh, the game has changed. Either really? Okay. Ready? Alright. Convict me.

Generally, when people make this statement, they really mean God created us all, which is accurate. Dan, did you preread this article? I did not. Alright. Dan's wisdom permeates the Internet webs. God God is the father of us all in the sense that he formed us and gave us life. We are not, however, all God's children. First John three ten clearly describes those who have an intimate, personal, familial relationship with God. This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are. Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God, nor is anyone who does not love his brother. Besides, because God is a relational being, until we accept His gift of eternal life by confessing and repenting of our sins, accepting Jesus' sacrifice on the cross on our behalf, and surrendering our lives to Him, we cannot be His children in the truest, most biblical sense of the word. We are just one of His created beings. There's

power preachers out there that often use that phrase, How do you treat a daughter of God? They may or may not be Christian, and I've always been a little I squirm a little bit when I hear that. Dan comes in uneasy. You're not a daughter. Yeah. Yeah. How are you treating your daughter? Satan. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. That definitely feels like a different question. Okay. But, I mean, Mubi, you got something to give up here, or is there Yeah. Maybe. Like, I but, like, I get it. I understand there's a distinction there. I don't think I've ever said it in a place where, like, the person then felt fine in their life. Yeah. You weren't declaring them Right. Exactly. I wouldn't say you're a child of god. We're all children of the lord, and therefore, just be an idiot. Do what you want. It's all in the flesh. You're welcome. But, like yeah. I mean, I don't know. I I get the distinction. I don't know if I'm gonna change anything in the moment, but maybe I'll think the next time I say it. It says right in the article. It's yeah. It's very yeah. You would disagree with the first Joan. Well, the next time I say it, what I'll say is Satan made me say it. Yeah. Let me let me qualify. I might as well break two of the six at the same time. Yeah. Okay. Here we go. Number two. Number three. Everything happens for a reason, and you can't see it, but there's a very pensive looking woman looking off into the distance. Like some homeless man just ate something out of the garbage and see she thinks to herself, that happened for a reason. Yeah. There we go. I'm glad I threw that sandwich away. We've all heard this statement. We may have even said it to someone not guilty. Dan? I don't I don't think I've said that. Guilty. Okay. We may have even said it to someone who was in the midst of unimaginable grief, pain, heartache, or despair. The truth is sometimes bad things happen for no reason other than we are human beings having a human experience. Wow. Now God can use it for good.

Pain, heartache, grief, loss, disease, and death are inevitable parts of the human experience. God's plan is never for someone to have cancer. God's will is not for an innocent child to be brutally murdered. God's will is not chronic pain, illness, disability, or death. God's will is not an event that happens to us it's how we respond to what happens. God's will is for us to walk with Him through the cancer, through the abuse, through the death, and through the illness. Boy, you're really patting home here. God's will is for us to draw close to Him in the midst of the pain. God's will is for us to use our painful life events to carry his message of hope, grace, forgiveness, and mercy.

Now there's act I mean, there's a there's a very there's a very deep theological thing in that belief or that quite the thing when we say that, of which this person has kind of skimmed over a little bit. So, like, I I get it. Like, we wanna make sense of the world. Right. You wanna say this if we go like, because even in the presence of pain, if you or chaos, if you thought there was a purpose for it, it gives you a means in which to hold on to it and say, I will suffer. At least my suffering means something. Right. But senseless suffering is often very difficult to reconcile. It, like, it it deprives you of hope

because it means that there are things not only that you cannot control but that mean nothing. Right. And, like, it just it can if you if you think about it too long, frankly, it puts you in a spot where, like, I mean, then what are we like, what are we doing here? I I don't have any control over these things. It's just badness. And so, like, we're reaching for it, but it just reaches for the wrong thing. It actually can have the opposite effect of what you want, which is you, in the midst of not understanding, clinging to Jesus who we have to trust for the other otherwise progression of the world is a different thing than going, oh, he caused the senselessness. Mhmm. He is he is the force behind

the thing that I that just looks flat out bad and evil as opposed to he helps us like, he walks through with us on frankly, like, I think they actually sold this a little bit short. It's probably not just to say it's just humans going through human experiences. Humans are often causing their own evil or allowing it to perpetuate. The thing where we look and go, boy, that's senseless. It is senseless. Maybe if we hadn't been super grubby for power or, you know, spend all our money on our boat and not on food for everybody or, like, all the other things that we probably could be doing to serve each other and be selfless, some of the stuff wouldn't be going on. So I it's a combination of that, but, like, I I know why we reach for it, but yeah. Yeah. Not not guilty here. Number four, god needed another angel.

Oh gosh. Dear. Dear me. Yeah. Okay. Move is ready for to repent. No. Never. No. No. I won't repent. No. I won't He always needs more angels. He always needs more angels. Oh gosh. Okay. I I may I oh, man.

I've never said god need oh, have I? Maybe I have. No. I don't know. I don't know. I say things quickly in the moment in the moment of grief. I like to provide comfort. I do. Very much so. Few things make me wanna punch someone in the face. That's one Dan, I'll I'll I'll line up. I might need to get hit. Pulled wrong. It really is. But, like, have I have have I used this as a comforting statement before? I don't know. Maybe. You. No way. I don't know. I've got more confidence in some sort of things. Okay. Let me see. Here's what I feel like is is likely. You you likely to me, I'm guessing you had not said it, but if somebody said it, you obviously didn't disagree with it. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. I if somebody says it in the moment, I go Oh. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I would just go, I wouldn't say the You wouldn't say the No. Would reject that. At my dad's funeral, somebody came up to me when I was on stage and said,

how awesome is it right now that your dad is DJing for all the angels in heaven? And in the moment, I was like, yeah. Thanks. How cool is that? Oh, man. God needed a DJ. Oh, boy. Now I'm like, ugh. I hope my dad didn't go up to heaven to DJ. Yeah. Like, that sounds terrible. That'd be his nightmare. He'd show up. He'd be like, are you kidding me? Have pretend this in front of legions of angels forever that I'm this outgoing bombastic fellow. Come on, Gabriel. Get out on the dance floor. Yeah. Right. Exactly. Alright, Angels. Everybody in for this round of the cha cha slide. Let's go. Yeah. I mean and Casey Kaysom had already done.

So, I mean My dad shows up. Casey, get out of way. Tiny's here. I'm here. Oh, boy. No matter the age, death is an inescapable reality for all of us. Ironically, many of us fear the death of family and friends more than we fear our own death. I don't know why that's ironic. What? It's the kind of death that produces extreme pain that stirs our emotions to grasp at any hope we can muster to cause our hearts a brief moment of rest from the effects of brokenness over unbearable loss. How ironic. In the midst of grasping and searching for the right words to help others or to even soothe our own souls, we tend to believe in things that aren't biblically true. In such seasons, people will say, God gained another angel today. The truth is humans are humans and angels are angels. This remains so even in eternity. That doesn't mean there was good intent behind Boy, there's some real errors in this, the way it's written. This doesn't mean there was good intent behind the statement, so this isn't to take away from that. That's not that's not right. Oh, I see what you're saying. Often I understand. Often, the best things we can do in times of grief is hurt with them, hold them, and just listen. You know, it's not always it it's that's mostly true. Yeah. Sometimes people are actually looking for you to affirm something. Absolutely. Right. Yeah.

I mean, I think you can be gracious like what we were talking about just because someone says something that I don't believe to be theologically accurate. Now may not be the time. Right. Do you, like, make a mental note and text him a couple days later? Let me just how are you feeling? Because I'm really talking to you about something. We need to chat about this whole angel thing. You know they didn't become an angel. Right? Can we get coffee? Because your theology is weird. Very specifically, that is a that's a different title. As a matter of fact, I did this. I I did not this thing, but I did this recently. I was having a conversation with someone and they we were talking about one thing and they'd mentioned, like,

all sins are equal. And I biblically, it's just not right. Like, I know that's not right. I I should not have even said it. Like, it it it just totally distracted from what we were talking about. It caused a significant level of confusion. And regardless of whether what I said was correct, it just there was no reason to have said it, and I regretted it Yeah. For days after that. I thought, why did I even it doesn't matter that it was true. It's just it it wasn't really the thing to focus on right there. All sins are equal. No. You could be worse. Yeah. Till that's the bull that was slaughtered instead of the the pigeon. That's right. It's like there's literally a categorical system of, like, this sin means pigeon. This sin means bull. Sorry. We stoned your daughter. All you needed was a pigeon. It's

It's funny. The bull's watching people walk by going, come on over here, you pervert. I know what you're here for. That's right. You're coming for me. You're a bad man. There's some rough stuff. Oh. Oh, no. Okay. I was Survive. The satan is testing me. Where's this guy getting this window to sit at? It looks very dangerous. This the the picture that they have next to this thing is a person holding their hands above their head like this by a window, but the window is even with the floor, so, like, you could easily fall out and die. It's a very dangerous window to be depressed by. Do you think it might be a glass door?

Do you think Paul's preaching? No. Look. Oh, maybe it is a door, but doesn't it look like oh, it looked like there are windows. Never mind. Never mind. I mean, yeah. Be right. Well, luckily, God just caught another angel. How many times have you been through a really tough situation and thought this is the devil's work? Oh gosh.

Not not guilty. Although not to me personally, but I have seen I have seen situations or and not just, like, broad things in the word, but, like, specific situations where I'm like, that is a significant presence of evil. And whether that is a machination of the tempter himself, some sort of evil spiritual presence, or just a culmination of the influence of that into the world, I wouldn't have any reason to say which one of those it is. But certainly, there have been times where I went, like, that is just evilness happening right there. Right. Yeah. It seems more than just the the, like,

the the inner temptations and the inner evil that exist in our flesh. I keep saying it now that you said stop saying it. Sorry. It's like that's like this is systemic stuff that's hitting here. Yeah. Yeah. I get that. Definitely. How many times have been through okay. And thought that you were being tested by him? You may have good now here's the thing. It's it's interesting because I I don't know that Satan gets much testing you. He gets something testing Jesus. The temptations of Jesus attempt to thwart his good work into the world. Roadblocks for sure,

but, like like, a personal Satan is is like Jesus. He comes after me. I just like, there's an arrogance to it. Right. And it it lacks a little self reflection. As I like, often, I think it is it is a personal thing that you're like, oh, I'm being I'm being put upon as opposed to, look. I'm just being lazy. I'm accept I'm doing the thing that I wanna do. I'm not listening to Jesus. And so, like, I don't like it because it just distracts from what is likely something that you within your control. And, like, I and this is not to take us on a a super far tangent here, but, like, that's something that that I've struggled with kind of trying to understand about

the enemy as as a character in this story of of life. Right? Like, it it doesn't seem to me that there's really anything outside of, like, Jesus' temptation, Adam and Eve, and then Job, really, where, like, Satan is actually actively doing something in somebody's life adversarially against them, specifically them. And, like, I don't know if I'm right in that thinking first off as my premise, but, like, I just I don't know. I I try not I I struggle with the thought of, like, Satan specifically

this this powerful thing or if it has its power taken away from us is against me specifically. Like, Satan's in my room with me right now talking to me about stuff. Yeah. I think I don't know. I think it's possible, just not likely. Like Yeah. And there and or or lower demonic. I I mean, what what's when the I'm thinking of, like, the sexual fast that that that Paul talks about, to do it for a short time lest you be tempted, the sentence He's tempts implying there's gonna be another entity there saying, Hey, going with those natural urges and there's the neighbor. Or even like what was what's the picture in? Is it first Peter where, like, waits for you like a lion? Mhmm. Is that what I'm thinking? Yeah. Yeah. Now do I like, can that mean

machinations of Satan in the world? Think it can. Yeah. Yeah. Is it possible that it's a like, evil spiritual force, a demon force, or Satan himself? I like, again, it's possible. Yeah. I just don't I don't find it super likely. Probably not like every day, every moment. Like, because the evil within I mean, there's both. It's it's a there there's a yeah. Well, I mean, I suppose if I if if we're talking about, like, let's say, major political powers in the world warring against each other. Right? Like, you would say one country is warring against another. The soldier that's on the front lines may believe that that country is against them, but they're actually fighting a dude named Jim Yeah. That's on the other's line of the battle. Right? Like, it's a representation. It's Germany against, you know, whatever, World War two, but, like, they don't believe that it's that private against them. It is it's the German government or the germ Germany is a country that's against them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's how you would speak of it. Yeah. Okay. It says when a seeker hears this, they hear an accusation that they have allowed the devil to claim territory in their hearts. Who's saying that? Okay. If you're saying this to a, like, a guy who doesn't know Jesus,

like, weird. It's a weird thing to say in general. It's probably like, again, let's be careful, flesh demons, about the types of things that we say in front of people who do not know Jesus. It can be legit confusing. Right. Yes. Well, just mind your language. It's the kind of thing demons. That can make people think that something is intrinsically wrong with them. Well, I mean, that is the case scripture would make. Right. So but not not this thing, I guess. Yes. Right. Something that has reached the inner depths of their souls. Now no. There's nothing wrong with doubting. Avoid these kinds of accusations at all cost. Weird. Okay. Oh oh oh, this is oh, this one's surprising. We found the spicy one. Oh my. The this one is it the final one? Yeah. Okay. We found a chili dog. That is I'm

blessed. That's it. Like, that's it? Just don't say I'm blessed? I'm blessed. Oh, I'm interested to hear this story. You mean, like, as opposed to I have been blessed? Yeah. Maybe? Like, God has blessed me or I am a blessed person. Like, I am above. Is that what they're saying? Well, you say against the Beatitudes then. I'm saying guilty. Right. Same. I mean, I don't go around going, hey. I'm blessed. But, like I wonder if that's the posturing that'll happen within the the the argument. Yeah. Maybe. Okay. You seem hoity toity above everybody else saying I'm blessed. Yeah. Like anointed. Right. I'm anointed one. Yeah. But, I mean, Even that could be Isn't that true too? Yeah. Although, it's like but but you're not anointed as a holistic person. Like, you're chosen for a task Right. Or or a expression of something. And I I think blessed in the same, I'm blessed because of blah blah blah.

I mean, I but holistically, as a person rescued by the work of Jesus on, like That's blessing. I'm blessed. I don't okay. Let's see what it says. I might be guilty on this one. God loves to bless his people. Oh, good. He starts early. Excellent. Starts early. Chapter one in the bible. Oh, well, that's that's way early. In Genesis one twenty eight, we read, then God blessed them. If your God is more concerned with smiting than blessing, you miss something somewhere. So what's the problem with saying I am I'm blessed? At times, we see it through a cultural lens. Someone asks you how you're doing, and you respond, life is good. I'm blessed. Living the dream. I knew you were gonna say that. You just second you read that, I knew you gonna say that. You just bought your first home. You write on Facebook, I just closed on my first house. I'm living the blessed life. This seems like something this person is, like, particularly sensitive to. Their Facebook friends. I mean, like like, it's it's BOGO cappuccino Friday.

Man, blessings upon blessings. Like, I mean, maybe you could talk about you're living it shallowly. Although, I mean, sometimes you get a boat going, you're like, hey. This is alright. Feels good. Hashtag this. Ago, I lost a coupon to Subway. Just found it between the seats. I'm blessed. Oh, let's see. Too too often, we equate god's blessing with our circumstances or possessions. Okay. Both are flawed interpretations of the blessed life. In the Bible, the blessing of God has nothing to do with the events of your life. Now that would be weird because the example that was given in Genesis of, like, children are a blessing. It's an event. It's a it's an event.

And so I I scripturally, I I don't Event based blessings. I don't agree. I I understand what she's they are trying to protect. Yeah. I just don't know I don't agree with that, actually. I think a lot of times, will talk about specific things as blessings, not just because I created you, it is you are blessed. Half the Old Testament is specific statements of events that happened that were blessings of the lord. Yeah. I mean, how clearly they said it, I don't know, but, like, it exists. Crops and yeah. You know? Right. Yes. Yeah. Animals and Here's a here's a well in a fountain where you didn't have water before. Blessing. Blessed. Okay. In the Bible, the blessing of God has nothing to do with the events of your life. Blessing is a declaration of God's approval of you, that God is for you and loves you. I mean, that's okay. I mean, it is true that God is for you and loves you. God's blessing is a reflection of your identity, not your circumstances.

The statement I'm blessed is the foundational statement of truth as anyone can say. You are blessed right now no matter your circumstances. Okay. So they're okay with you saying it, just not in reaction to any specific circumstances. Don't say I'm blessed because of the BOGO. Yeah. Hey. Are you blessed by God? I mean, in a general thing, yes. Not any specific circumstances. My wife, no. Right. Yeah. Exactly. Were born, no. Not blessed. Just just a long chain of I'm just blessed always. Yeah. It's just these are just things that happen. It's a status effect that was put on me as a child, and it's never gone away. There are blessings in my life, but I am not blessed. Right. Right. Okay. So here's here's my suggestion is you could have easily written five five things you can't say while following Jesus.

And one thing I don't like seeing on Facebook anymore. Yeah. And some and maybe a personal thing you need to resolve with Kathy. Like, don't need to be brought up to everybody else. Following Jesus means striving to be like him. He always obeyed his father, so that's what we strive to do. To truly follow Christ means to make him your leader. Each statement and decision you make is filtered through his word with the goal of glorifying him and everything. It just seems like there's so much bigger things you could have put under Right. What it means to be a follower of Jesus. Yeah. Really. Yeah. Yeah. That wasn't You really a great resume know, don't say blessed. Yeah. What? Don't say I'm blessed. Okay. Can you think of any like, what did she like, things that you would say that you're like, hey. You should knock that off. I I think of specific verses that are just weirdly taken out rather than statements, like the Philippians four thirteen.

I could do all things through Christ who strengthens me as dudes at the gym that are like, Alright, I can do this. I can do this right now. I can bench this three fifty because I could do all things through Christ who strengthens me. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Alright. So basically any out of context type of scripture. Yeah. Right. Taking taking a story that's in the bible and then making it to be about you specifically in that moment seems weird to me. Yeah. Like, it can relate to you, and it can be a telling of god's god's identity and how it happened in another story that's meant to show you who your father is. But, like, that's weird to go, like, well, I was able to lift a car one time off of somebody because I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me specifically. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That seems weird to me. Okay. Okay. I don't know, Dan. Can you think of any? Specific things to not say? Yeah. Things you shouldn't say. I mean, you know, things that tear people down, things that are gossipy, things that are boastful and arrogant.

I mean, lifestyle things that that that lift you up and bring Jesus down or other people down. Right. I I mean, those seem a lot bigger to me than than you know? Do you think it's okay to yell at rich people that it's difficult for the rich to get into heaven? Like, just as a societal yell I'm in hurry. In I'm Is in

that a $100 bill, sir? Because I've got a word of wisdom for you. Sorry for a rich man. You should give me that money. Yeah. I I think that's I think that's a really good point, Dan, is that, like, a lot of our posturing is not even the specific words necessarily, but, like, interacting with people and using

your tongue in such a way that that brings people down, like, helps them to misunderstand Jesus and you break Right. Native tongue of the devil. Right. I mean Right. Yeah. And you're not even making that statement. That's in the bible. That yeah. Exactly. Right. You've got foundation to stand on there. Yeah. I would I, like, I would also and this is this is difficult. I'm gonna say that up front because I it's possible you guys someone's gonna hear me wrong here. Oh, boy. But, like, I think sometimes

we let's see. I'm trying to think of an example that doesn't okay. So here's an example. I have seen a number of people, like, post divorce talking about it like it is a Best thing ever? Like that?

Yeah. And and and then I get it. Like, in some circumstances, I I get it. Like, I'm not in your marriages, in your relationships. Like, this as a relationship, it's probably there's ways in which it feels like a freedom. I I totally get it. But, like, there's

maybe maybe it's just, like, there's a balance to the to the it's a morning. Like, there should be mourning. And and, again, I like, I get we tend to posture you tend to see it when people are, like, posting something or whatever. Like, great. You know, I've been I've been blessed. God has provided me a new opportunity. I'm like, oh, but something really that that's something that shouldn't have happened happened. And, like, maybe it wasn't your fault. Maybe that, like, divorce was legitimate. Totally. But, like, I I struggle I struggle with what that feels like, especially in an audience. Right. I was gonna say that's dumb Personal relationships, I totally get it. But, like, especially when it's, like, social media types of things, it gives the impression that, like, you didn't people didn't have a holistic picture of what it is to, like, mourn something that God created for good. Right. Now we're, like it feels like, well, God's in his goodness,

set me up so that I could date somebody else. Right. And so, like, I know this this is you can't take what I just said and, like, easily apply it because I I get that they're more nuanced situations, but, like, I I struggle with that probably because of the medium and the picture paints more so than anything else. Yeah. That makes sense. Okay. Alright. Anyway,

maybe if you thought of everything, maybe you were sitting at home and picking your nose and you thought to yourself, Hey, Here's something as a follower of Jesus I should people should stop saying. And Why? What do you mean? Why'd you add the pick in their nose thing? Must be I wanted to make them feel welcome. Maybe they were thought maybe they're not talking to me because I'm a nose picker. Don't you think? Feel like they kind of no. Okay. Maybe you have diphtheria. Is that better? I'm sure. Broadening the audience. Yes. That's right. Maybe you've created your own personal grotto in your backyard using a smattering of garbage and rocks, and you would like to comment on Zurich. Such a hyper specific situation. I'm just saying some people need to be seen before they'll be heard. Alright. 515517 (515) 517-0085.

Call or text. What should Christian stop saying? We'd love to hear from you if you can get out of that grotto and get some self-service down the road a piece, and let us know what you think. Okay. Who's this? Things things that we're not gonna hang out on, but I just thought were interesting in the old news. Did you know Rob Schneider became a Catholic? What? Rob Schneider. You know I'm talking about? Yeah. Yeah. Like, from every Adam Sandler movie from 1996 to out to now? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No flippies off the dock. That's him. I heard him on a podcast today sounding kinda Christian y. Yeah. I I didn't I didn't know the context of what you know? Yeah. What a badge of honor. I mean Yeah. But I don't mean, like, using Christian y. No. I got you. Caps. Sounded like, like,

almost like we're brothers. I don't know. Yeah. What's going on? Okay. I'll I will read just a piece of this. Was he Jewish? I think he was maybe agnostic. I I don't know. Actually, I'll see what he see what it says. It says, since converting to Catholicism, an announcement to Saturday Night Live alum made on his sixtieth birthday in October, Schneider feels called to leave behind the type of comedy he has performed in the past, and he doesn't care what Hollywood thinks about that decision. I know I can't do the same stuff I used to do, he told The Christian Post, not because I have anything against what I did. I did what I did, and I felt fine about it at the time. You can do it.

But I won't do the same stuff I've done. I don't know what I'm going to do. I want to come to it from a place of faith, a place of something good in my heart. I I don't know if I can tell dirty jokes anymore, he added. I don't know if I can. I don't know if I'm going to. I have an act I'm doing now. I don't know if I'll do okay. This is a we could've summarized these quotes. There are seven things I can't say now. People talk all the time. It doesn't mean anything. I hope that me standing up for what I believe in, God, family, country, I'm okay with whatever comes my way, positive or negative. When you have faith, nothing can really rock you. He says, I'm the luckiest man in the world. At last, it is forgiveness itself that is the gift that we give ourselves because it frees us as Christ intends for all of us to be free. For his gift of ultimate and unlimited forgiveness is indeed the gift for all humanity. We are all God's children. He didn't say that part. I added that for effect because Google would say it. Oh, whatever. Let's see here. I'm speaking now promoting blah blah blah, family friend or Larry Blueae. Okay. Yeah. Anyway This

will sound maybe misunderstood and I don't intend this negatively, but that sounds pretty deep for a Catholic person. Weirdly enough, I was kind of thinking the same thing. I mean it's like- Those are some serious professions I'm that are going changing my life rather than, Hey, I'll do what I want. I'll confess later. I mean Right. It's like, wow. I'm impressed. I meant that as a good thing

except for the other you know, every other Okay. Yeah. Well, okay. Oh, wait. He said, hey. This is interesting. He said there's a real storm brewing, He warned, Jesus already won. This is a mop up mission, but it will be a mission. You need to fortify yourself and protect yourself, protect your family with faith, and also be prepared. There's a culture war that's happening, whether that culture war turns into spiritual warfare or an actual war, and there's war in some parts of the world. It's time to get closer to God and to heed the words and be strengthened by it, not weak and not fearful. Good for him. Wow.

That's awesome. Rob Schneider, known to Bigelow and Catholic. And blessed. Known oh gosh. Hey. Speaking of Catholics, I thought this was funny and super interesting. I don't know. Buva, you're not scrolling to Facebook anymore. So maybe, Dan, maybe you saw this, but there is a prayer app that came out called Hollow. I love it.

Wait. You downloaded it? No, no, no. I've heard the name. Think I've seen ads or something. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I saw ads. Anyway, it's defending its partnership with actor Liam Neeson. Is it because of the racist stuff he said that one time? No. It's because he's he had given pro pro abortion remarks. Oh, he

he made a comment one time that he he, like, had a friend who got who got beat up Yeah. By a person of color in his words. Yeah. And so he was so mad about it that he just went outside and was gonna find the first person of color he found and beat the crap out of him. Oh, yeah. I remember hearing that story. And, like, I I I he was giving it as a demonstration of, like, this was wrong. Uh-huh. Yes. I I defend this behavior and believe it. Yes. Anyway And it got blown out. The Hollow announced its collaboration with Neeson and actor Jonathan Rumi of The Chosen, the Jesus from The Chosen, for the Advent Pray twenty five challenge. The initiative will feature readings from the works of CS Lewis, voiced by award winning actor and the voice of Aslan in the Narnia movies, Liam Neeson. Nice. This is what I'm saying. That's awesome. I thought, sweet. One, Liam Neeson I thought, woah. Was he a Jesus man? And two, it seemed pretty fun. Like, what a cool deal. Read that by Aslan. It'd be great. Although, it's funny. This is the second time I've seen someone describe this. They said, Liam Neeson, Jonathan Rumi, and an incredible nun will guide you in daily prayer for four weeks of Advent. And an incredible nun. The nun and I assume this is intentional. Like, the nun did not want to be named. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Don't use my you know? Well and he's got a particular set of skills that could really This is what I guess. Come in handy for this. This is right. I was gonna do it. I thought I was gonna I did not download it, but I might. Okay. Let's see here. Advent pray 25 will focus on the three comings of Christ personally into each of our hearts, his second coming at the end of time, and as an infant in Bethlehem.

Wait. So what was the contention of, like, why people would have problems with Liam Neeson? There was a so Catholic YouTube personality, Brian Holdsworth. Oh, sorry. Hollis collaboration with Neeson did not sit well with many Catholics because the actor voiced his support for the two thousand eighteen abortion referendum in the home country of Ireland. Got it. The referendum, which passed with two thirds of vote, overturned the country's ban on abortion, which included exceptions for when a mother's life is at risk. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Let's see here. Okay. Yeah. Anyway, that's it. I thought oh, it was interesting. They said Hollow responded and suggested that the app considered Neeson's pro abortion advocacy when deciding whether or not to hire the actor to do work. It said it's something we've discerned intensely, Hollow wrote in a tweet. Hollow stands proudly and unequivocally in support of all Catholic church teaching, especially the pro life stance of the church,

and the affirmation of the end of abortion as the preeminent priority. We would never allow any content on the app that goes against the pro life teaching of the church. It's interesting because I think it's asking similar questions, and maybe there's a nuance in here, but like, Is it okay to have a non Christian play bass in your worship band? Yeah.

Yeah. Or can you if someone agree with all of your theology, is it okay to sing something that they wrote that praises Jesus in your church? I understand that there's a caution and

I think there are places where people can misunderstand based upon the exposure of a person, so I think you do have to be discerning, but it's not an automatic disqualifier for me. Sinful humans are part of all the things. Yep. So Agreed. Okay. Anyway, I thought those were some some interesting stories. Alright. Let's hit up oh, hey. Before I get bubba, we're gonna start with the revelation question, so I'll let you frame it up here in just a second. But tis the season

to spend your money on regrettable items, and you can do that by going to lifefromthepath.org backslash shop. Yes. And there is there's a T shirts out there with a fresh design of of it says I don't know. It says life from the path on. What do you I don't know what you think it's gonna say. It's what But there's also there were series of shows where, like, I decided I was gonna release a T shirt quote

for, like, every show, and I think I did, like, three shows in a row, and then I stopped. One is there's a Mike Macho Man shirt. Like, I I can't remember what we were even talking about. No clue. It's supposed to be Macho Man. Mike we came up with the name Mike Machoman. Anyway, you could order a Mike Machoman shirt. What was it? Was it Whisper a Mere and Call Me Diesel? Was it that Nathaniel said? Oh god. Anyway Yes. The the call me diesel's out there in case you wanna pick that up. Terrifying.

There's a there's a some propaganda with the thrift store priest on there, and there's a trucker hat. How's that hat? I love that hat. It's a good hat? I love that hat. And it it it's it's nice because the fact that, like, it looks like it's worn in a good way. Yeah. And I dig that style of hat. It's good stuff. It's good construct good good construction. Yeah. It's a good there's some nice items out there. So go ahead and go go to live from the path.org backslash shop, and you can pick up Mugs too. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Check it out. It's playing cards. I need to get these playing cards. Playing cards would be sweet. We need to get live from government office. Go to the shop. Do really collect playing cards, Dan? I do. Every time I go somewhere. Oh, sweet. I have them all over the world. Okay. Yeah. That's pretty awesome. Okay. Anyway from us. Oh, yeah. Now's the now's the time to change that. They're only moderately marked up, Dan. I think we make a buck on everything. I I don't remember what the suggestions were like, hey. You should charge an extra $4 for this shirt. Like, people barely gonna buy it anyway. Right. Exactly. Got let's put a buck on that thing. Yeah. We're not gonna sell a 100,000. I'm just gonna make a big deal. Okay. Anyway, just go check it out and so you can get your orders in time for the holiday season. Your live from the Pathway is available. Live from the path.org backslash shop. Yeah. And it's not too late. Like, there's plenty of time between now and Christmas for you to tell your loved ones to go grab your shirt too. Yeah. Yeah. So drop drop some hints. Yeah. Wish I wish people knew I listened to Life From the Path. I wonder how that could happen. What do you think, babe?

Yeah. Okay. No. I wasn't talking to you, boovah. That was awkward. I mean, I know you don't usually call me babe on the show. Yeah. But, like, okay. This is Monday. I don't do it on Mondays. What's only babe Tuesday through Thursday? What's your question, babe? That'd be the creepiest ask the pastor ever.

Question, babe? Go go ahead. With it. Go ahead, baby. Okay. Here's my question. Why is revelation the end? Yeah. So, obviously, I understand that, like, it's a good way to tuck up the end. I even made the the joke earlier that, like, it ends in amen. That's pretty cool. So it'll let it always be this way.

It seems to end on a high note of, like, the lord wins. Yep. And and all the different stuff, but, like, I don't know if I know truthfully what my foundation is to stand on if someone were to ask me logically if I could explain to them why I believe that the bible got tucked up after Revelation. So we've got the 66 books that exist in what we call our bible today. There are other bib or there are other writings that we know of that did not make it into the 66, and then there were things that happened after this that were writings. And I believe that the Lord is still speaking to people. And so what was the cutoff? Like, do we believe theologically

that there was a specific point in time or there was a council that happened or anything like that? Like, I honestly don't know if I could answer the question of why did it stop at Revelation, and I'm I'm interested to hear you guys' thoughts on that. Okay. I don't Dan, do you wanna cut out or you want me to take it? Go go for it. I mean, is is yeah. Go for it. Okay. So I I like, I think if you answer the macro question of where do we get our scriptures Mhmm. Yep. It starts it starts to help with that. Okay. Yep. So focusing on the New Testament specifically, like, the a lot of times what you'll see is that there's there's people who wanna argue, hey. Like, the Bible ended up like a council of kind of old white dudes in Nicaea and that's where we got kind of our scriptures codified. Right.

And so the books are being hidden from you. As matter of fact, I've seen this recently from people who claim to love Jesus. They're like, The hidden books. They're not reading the hidden books, and that's where they actually revealed all this stuff. It misunderstands the Council of Nicaea for one. They didn't sit there and go, Here's all the books, the writings that are possible. This one's in, this one's out, this one's in, this one's What realized or recognized is that there was possible contention because there were so many people that, like, were false writing. They would write on and go like, hey, it's the fourth gospel of Peter. Well, I mean, Peter was not Peter was dead. Right? And so people were right. So they they said, we need to figure out a way. How do we protect people from false teaching? Yeah. And, frankly, just just look at the crux of most of the epistles.

They're talking about false teaching. They're trying to figure out ways to otherwise protect the church from this kind So, like, it's the the way that you would look at something like the Council of Nicea nefariously looks the exact same way of someone trying to do something well. Right? Group of people get together and go, alright. Yeah. Can we write it down, the ones that we trust? Now what didn't happen is you got a bunch of people in the room who had no idea which books were believed and which ones were, like, real or fake at the time. They knew it. In fact, that was actually pretty well established by the second like, middle of second century, and you can tell because you can see what people are quoting. So like stuff like the you you get the Gospel of Thomas or again, multiple Gospels of Peter, second versions of Acts and things like this. Like you do not see other biblical like like, Christian writers Mhmm. In that time who are, like, writing letters to other people. They're not quoting those things. They're quoting the things that we we actually codified. So that's ultimately, what happens is is you get this group of people who, look, if they ask ask everybody you're talking from two different places because the New Testament has multiple traditions. Like, it went geographically two different directions. Yep. And still, these people come together and go, alright.

Like, which ones do we know for a fact came from, like, we we we think the writings are are accurate, what's been been given to us or translated to us. Yep. And they were by someone who had, like, a a witness who was there. Right. Okay? Or who Luke's case, interviewed witnesses or whatever. And so and then which ones are that? And so then they look around, and they they basically affirmed what everybody already knew, which at the same time creates a line that then says anything that we did not affirm, we do not trust. Mhmm. Like, we either know it to be false. There's things in it that don't match, like, things that Jesus had said or, like, count or have Jesus acting in a way that he he never did.

And which the thing is is this is where the conspiracies come in because you go, oh, well, you kept you said no to this because it revealed something about Jesus that you didn't want everybody to know, like, that he was married to Mary. Gotcha. Or something like that. But, like, again, the nefarious thing looks exactly what a, like, what a discerning thing would be, which is this is not true because it doesn't match anything else that happened. And so, no, it's not in we didn't affirm it. That does make sense. Yes. And so I that's why it's that's why the conspiracies, like, persist with some of the, like, books that didn't make it. Is around that because, like, doing the right thing looks exactly like doing the wrong thing. The same motions would have occurred. Yeah. Okay. So now so that means, like, by the time you start getting kind of a firm scripture, you're out of people who can write more. Like, if one of the things that the church said in confidence is that, like, we we want people's accounts of Jesus

and people are quoting the things that Jesus has said that everybody should know about, it should come from people who actually walked with Jesus. Got it. And so that so that's that's how you end up with what you have. There can't be people creating new and which is interesting. Right? Because we don't believe that Jesus is not still speaking. Like, the holy spirit is still working in people's lives. Believe that miracles are still occurring. There's there's things that universally still happen to the to and through the church as scripture actually showed that it would be the case. Mhmm. But, like, the the narrative, the things that we actually codified and said, look, everybody should know this thing.

That that ceased when you got people who were no longer who were no longer kind of the generation who otherwise interacted with Jesus. Okay. Yeah. Now the placement of of Revelation is human. The whole the whole placement of books in the bible is human. Humans did this. Right. Humans also wrote the books. So right. So, like, it's the same reason like, I don't have a problem with how the books were set in in whatever the conceivable order is because I don't have a problem with the human having written them. Either way, God is responsible for making the thing making sure the things that he cared about or that were important to know that were true were written down Right. And that they were otherwise brought together in whatever way they're supposed to. The church has protected this for centuries.

Okay? And so I I don't have an issue with that. It is it's storytelling. The way that the Bible is stitched together is storytelling just like the narratives themselves often are. As a matter of fact, the order that we have, our current Old Testament, is not in the order that the Jews had. It's

not in the same way. We end on the reason your modern Bible ends on Malachi is because it sets you up perfectly to start taking in Matthew. Mhmm. Mhmm. It's a narrative. The people with it like, like, we we ordered this in this way. Originally,

I I wanna say it's, second Kings or something or second Corinthians. It's one like, it ends on a history book. That's if if you had the Jewish is caught, like, the Tanakh, it would have ended in one of those things. Because that's more chronological. Right? Yes. Not necessarily specifically chronological, but timing wise. Yes. Timing wise. And you end up with, like, again, string of kings and, like actually, and, there's something very beautiful about the the way that Tanakh is put together, like, the narrative. You've got the prophecy that sits in between some of these things. Right? But, like, you know, do I do I understand that when when Gutenberg starts printing the Bible, like, stuff starts to shift around because you now have the context of what Jesus has done Mhmm. And now you recognize how that ties together, so you end in Malachi. Okay. Right. Yep. But, anyway, does does the book of Revelation serve as a fitting

end to the entire narrative of scripture? Yes. Yeah. It's a great book. It does. And I wouldn't be surprised if John doesn't recognize this. He is the final writer. Mhmm. So, like, his his contributions this is it's debatable, of course, but, like, I it's my belief that his contributions are the latest. Both his gospel, like, compared to the other gospels and then the book of Revelation for sure. And so as you look at these types of things, like, is it possible that he recognizes that, like, every all the other apostles have died Right. Jesus is is resurrected.

He's it. So he's pulling a narrative together in a way in which the church can understand this ongoing relationship with the now but not yet and the ongoing spiritual influence of the things that are going on in the earth and what it means to persevere going forward, it's a timeless narrative. Right. And if you see how he ties it up, like, get pictures of, you know, the Garden of Eden start to show back up at the end of Revelation. And so, yes, I I do believe I I wouldn't be surprised to find out that John recognized that that

caps off what we're likely to codify as as scripture, and then the the the people of Jesus, like, recognize this over time and simply affirm it, not manufacture it to be nefarious. Okay. Alright. I can accept that. I think that's that's interesting because so I

did know a little bit of that beforehand. I always thought that one of the things that we're looking at from from the perspective of, like, what got in and what didn't was, like, how many versions we have of of the the writing itself. Like, can we double check, triple check that, like, this is what was written in there from, like, what was written down when when the Jews were in Babylon in exile. Right? Like, we have multiple multiple versions of this text that is the same written in multiple different areas that can basically backfill and and and,

give credit to and check it. True in the Old Testament. Yeah. For sure. Like, you've got the Masoretic text and the Greek the Greek version. Right. Which there I mean, there are there are sometimes discrepancies, nothing that's super significant. But even in the New Testament, like, to your point, like, if you're trying to validate, one, do we have like, what are the things that everyone treated as Mhmm. Like something that I should react to? It shows up in two different traditions of Yeah. Biblical texts because, again, it's split I think it's North South. And then then they had to kinda bring it this is where you get, like, the the Eastern Orthodox church. Uh-huh. Yep. This is where the splits are, but we agree on the scripture. Right. And then you've got, like, the thing I was talking about where you can reconstitute a significant amount of the Old Testament based upon people or the New Testament with people quoting. Like, when they dude writes letter to wife at home and uses half a Jude.

Yep. And, like, you were able to reconstitute most of that stuff. Like, the Interesting. There's no a no significant ancient document that is as well attested as the New Testament. Right. And it's not true for the things that we that they did not affirm. And, like, it's again, I think we run a I do have there is a let me say this. There is a trust in it though. Yeah. There is a trust in it because, like, could could a nefarious person who wants to keep someone down go, well, we don't like the gospel of Thomas because it said that you can't be a landlord. Everyone should live at your house for free. Landlords hate that, so they took Yeah. It Exactly. Tell we make money, Jesus. That's right. I get the temptation

to see it that way. I have to trust. If I trust that the text of Matthew is what God intended for it to be Yep. And I do, then I have to trust that he otherwise, like, curated this and made sure that we had something sustained over time. But it there there are a lot of humans in that process. And if you can't trust human messiness in God's work, then you don't even believe the biblical narrative. Right. You didn't read it. Yes. So, like, I get it. It won't it won't stand out in the same way as if you got to watch a lockbox travel over centuries.

Yeah. Like, I get that you would feel better, but, like, part of this is a is a faith in in god type of thing that, like, he he had to have protected this, and I have to trust that what I'm what I have is intentional and that we're like, if something would have come out Yep. And that he wouldn't have allowed this to be affirmed in the way that it was. Makes sense. Okay. Yeah. Perfect. I don't know, Dan. Anything else to add on that one? No. Think that's pretty solid. Okay. Alright. Yeah. I and I actually, one of the things we were talking about before the show just as you brought the topic up is we do we would agree, however, that, like, the towards the end of Revelation where it says nothing should be added or taken away from this this prophecy, it's not it's not fair to render that all the way back over scripture as John's intent even though I believe it to be true that you shouldn't do that. Right. Is that It's self contained. It's it is self contained. And what's interesting is that this is where if you're if you're Mormon, like, you would

you would actually have an opening to say, like, well, here's we know here's another an addition, another gospel of Jesus Christ. And a Christian might go, well, we're not supposed to add or take away from the the scripture. And a good Mormon would go, well, I mean, that's really for the book of Revelation. You're kinda reading your Bible out of context. Right. Now they do get into some prophetic things, which I think they would be rightfully trampling on Revelation. But in either case, I don't know. Just be careful. You gotta be be smarter than the Mormons. Take things into context. Be able to talk about it wisely. Don't put that on a shirt. Do it. You better do it. They're sharp sometimes.

They're sharp sometimes. Sometimes. Oh gosh. You listen to life from the path. Yes. You are. Okay. What are we how are we doing on time here, booba? Alright. Let's get to your let's take up let's take up ladies Paul's ladies Oh, boy. On a different let's take that on a different week. That seems fair. Let's hit John Okay. Yep. And so, again, reading through my bible relatively

slowly but quick enough that I'm taking in good chunks of all four gospels in about a two and a half week period. And so reading through Matthew, Mark, and Luke, no real issues that things were going crazy. But, like, by the time I got to John, I just felt like I was reading a whole different whole different story. Not from the well, I shouldn't say that. But just from the perspective of it seemed very odd,

and different than the first three. And I don't know if it was just the feeling of it or the conclusions that were drawn or the larger narrative that seemed to be driven within the text of John. Like, instead of starting with the genealogy or instead of starting with the story of John the Baptist, you've got this very ethereal breakdown of, like, the word became flesh in the beginning and, like, the word was god and the word was with god and all this different stuff. And, like, you can tell that it's Jesus, but it's just it seems to be these larger,

more nebulous thoughts that are happening and that are being synthesized by John that just don't seem to to match up with the general thematic and storytelling, usage within the first three gospels. And so I was just interested. Like, I I'm trying to figure out

what's the place here. Like, what's what's happening here that I'm I'm I'm I maybe I'm misunderstanding. Maybe I'm reading it incorrectly, but, like, it just seems to be, I don't know, for lack of a better way to put it, more flowery. And, like Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, like, what's going on here? What's so different about John versus the first three gospels?

I think I I I think for starters, he well, it's it's okay to accept that he's a different dude. Right. Right. And so he's just people in general Uh-huh. Can use different writing styles or whatever, come across it differently. And there's totally differences within Luke and within Mark and with Matthew, obviously, too. I understand that. Yeah. But it is totally right. Like, John is is very distinct. So, like, where most of the gospels, like Matthew, Mark, Luke,

have a lot of crossover. Mhmm. John is almost the opposite. So, like, if 80% of of those gospels have, like, tell similar stories, there's 20% uniqueness across the three. John's, like, 80% on his own. He's unique 80% of the time. Yep. And so I I do think that one of the one of the ways of which this is likely happening is that John is writing much later. So Okay. You know, like, Mark is Mark is in Peter's lifetime Yep. Because he's he's listening to Peter tell stories.

Luke is a little bit longer, but, like, you still get this like, this is still probably fifties or early sixties. Matthew's maybe late forties, early fifties, I think. But if you look at John, John's likely writing John's always debatable. They get the same problem when you're trying to date the book of Revelation, but, like, I think he's eighties, in nineties for him. Interesting. And so he he's quite a ways he's quite a ways down the road. And so it's it's it's very normal that if you've seen all these other narratives go on and John continues to live kind of this full life following Jesus. Mhmm.

As he's looking back and writing down the story, he's not just writing out a set of facts. He's looking back on the implications of all these things over his life. Right. What he's seen it do in the world and the different parties that he's interacted with. So, yes, he he interacted with with Jewish folks. Yes. He planted churches in Asia Minor, and so, like, he's in a Greek territory. He's in a Roman territory or a lot of at least cultural influences for both of those things. And so as he goes to write down his his version of these events,

one, I think you see him include a lot of things that the other three fellows didn't include. Like, he read them. He knows what Luke Right. And so, like, if he's adding to it, he's got the ability to share things that he felt like were important that did not show up in those narratives. But then, yeah, I think a lot of the flowery language, some of it's who he is. We can tell that from the book of Revelation as well. But, like, other stuff is just as a pastor, he's writing from deeper

life that's taken things in, that's seen things work, that understands how people are hearing things and connecting dots that, like, the other the other three dudes died before they had a chance to connect, And but but John kind of remains. And so I think a lot of that probably can be attributed to his life circumstance, his his

living longer, his ability to then write in the context of all those things that had already happened. Mhmm. Interesting. I guess I I I always I I never really thought of it, and this actually goes back to our our previous conversation about, like, the chronological perspective of the New Testament, what's happening. I never I I never thought so humanly

Mhmm. About a gospel, and that's there's something beautiful about that. Right? Like, that's interesting because I definitely tell stories different now than I would have fifteen years ago. Yeah. And then I definitely tell stories different now about things that happened fifteen years ago. Like, my stories just are totally different because there's been time between event and and now and has allowed me to to, you know, see those kind of long reaching tendrils that that things change and things happen. And so I suppose that does give John a very unique, especially amongst gospel writers, a very unique perspective as to go

not only did this happen thematically and this happened from a chronological like, not even chronological, but a story progression perspective of, like, Jesus did this, then he went here. Jesus did this, then he went here. And there's some in in in all of the gospels that have a, well, this is actually what that meant behind it. But, like, John has seen so much happen within Jesus' church in those seventy years, like an insane amount. Yeah. But the audience has changed. Right. Yes. Exactly. A Jerusalem church Right. Or an Antioch Church. It's it's it's it's just spread out so much more. So someone from America two thousand years later can pick up John and understand it better than Matthew going,

don't get all this Jewish stuff because that's not my culture, I don't understand the law if they've never read anything. They can pick up John and just get it. Oh, it's the story of God and his son. He loves me. Oh, there's something really beautiful about that that I don't think I've ever really taken a step back to look at. I mean, what a storyteller god is. Right? Like, we know that, and and that's not new information for any of us. But, like, truthfully, I I and I I think I I was speaking categorically of, like, what I believed each gospel meant from the perspective of, like, who who was this being said to. Right? Like, it's the same general story about the same person and things that are happening, but, like, who's drawing things from each one of these stories? Yeah. And I've never thought of John that way, but that makes sense. Like, it's two thousand years later. I don't need

all of, like, the Davidic line things that you get within Matthew. Right? Like, I don't need all of the contextual things as it pertains to, like, this is what was happening in Rome in that moment, and this is what that meant because of this power that be. Like, we just see this and go. This is a larger narrative about a creator god that has fulfilled the create or a portion of his creation to be closer to him than it was before because of the sacrifice of Jesus. And, like Yeah. That's we get John three sixteen. That's that's that that synthesized thing that's, like, such a an impactful foot to the ground stand up of, this means things changed,

and this means that what was what was before is completely different than what is now in a way that, like, we have access to a god through the sacrifice of his son Jesus. And, like, that's huge. And it was it was very present within the other gospels, but there's something about, like, like, this line in the sand of, oh, no. You don't you don't realize how big this was for everyone.

I preached through Matthew before, and I preached through John before, and they're very different things because in Matthew, I'm keying in on the Christians that are in the church that have been there for a long time, and they're like, Okay, I've heard the story, I get the story, but there's so much going back to the Jewish custom and there's a lot of background information. They're like, Oh, it's all exciting and stuff. But if I'm sitting down talking to someone who's not a Christian and who is maybe kind of curious about God, I'm not going to go to Matthew, I'm going go to John because that's

just the story of God. This the story you need to get. You don't care about the tribes. You don't care about, you know, the Greek parsing of this and that and, you know,

you just need to know about God. And then and then we'll go back to Matthew and and put pieces together for you later. But that that'd be, like, step one. Always whenever someone I talk to someone who's trying to figure out who god is. I I don't wanna say go to Matthew. I'll say go to John. Yeah. You know what? I might start at the beginning. That's interesting. I might halt where I'm going with my reading and with that in mind. Mhmm. Get a good reading of John again and just go, like, taking a step back and this just being, like, brand new eyes of a believer. What is it? Or even a nonbeliever trying to understand. What does this book mean? Because they're already like, oh, I don't I don't I don't care who Right. David is. I don't even I don't even know who David you know, know, whatever. I mean Yeah. I know about David Goliath. To me. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's that's that's that's good to hear because, like, I think sometimes I I get I I feel like I strive too much for for being smart in certain things. Mhmm. And, like, there's a there's a there's a a good feeling of, like, being able to strike down to, like, pretend I know nothing.

What does this book mean to me? And how can I see the story of a of a beautiful creator god taking care of his creation? And, like, how does that fulfill through the the the life and the ministry and the sacrifice and the ascension of his son Jesus? And what does that mean for me? That's cool. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I and I I think to a point that you made, it's, I think we should

the fact that we have to think about John's personal situation or his time alive shouldn't put us ill at ease. God has always worked through fallible humans. Yep. He has used their humanity in ways to to otherwise progress his kingdom in his narrative. And and so,

like, I think it is it's it's interesting that God, like, God has found the way to use to create richness in in reflection of John's life. And so I I think there was a time, you know, you you find me fifteen, twenty years ago. I'm like, oh, shoot, man. The more a human is involved, the more that I'm like, well, how do we know? Are we sure? How could this be right? And, like, the the more that you recognize that God has always worked through fallible humans, then the question is is, like, do I trust God to work through fallible humans? Well, yes, I do. And so then I I I I don't I have less of a problem looking back at, like, do I think I got the the the words that God intended? Yeah. I do. Through fallible human people who wrote it down, fallible human translators who got it into English. Yeah, I recognize that there are human frailties and all those things, but God is good and I'm

confident that he's taken care of me and my ability to understand what he's after, at least through the scriptures, in this way. And so order doesn't bother me. Writer doesn't bother me. Yep. Right. I'm good with all that stuff. In fact, I feel better about it now because, like, the veil is behind. Like Mhmm. You know there's not some sort of, like, this thing dropped from the heavens and landed on the ground. I know there's a dude who wrote it down in faithfulness to Jesus through the guidance of the spirit. Yep. And, like, okay. Like, I understand that. That thing happens now. Not for scripture, but, like, through all kinds of other things. Right. Agreed. Hey. You're listening to Life From The Path. Hey. Maybe you have a, an ask the, ask the pastor, or I don't know. Maybe you're just, you're reading the word or you're talking with people, you're like, I wonder what the the fellows at Life From The Path to think about that. Hit us up at the Life From The Path. Bob Eisenhower complaint line. (515) 517-0085. Call or text. We would love to hear from you. And, if you got any feedback for us on the show, questions for us, or you just wanna say, Ben, I went ahead and, ordered that hat, and I look forward to, wearing it atop my my balding head. That sounds great. I'm excited about it. You've nailed our demographic. I know. I know everybody.

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Yes. Oh, I love it. Okay. Let's give out some advice, Bubba. Alright. Dear life in the path, our son plays a college sport for which he receives four complimentary tickets for each game. It works out well because there are four of us in his immediate family.

However, my husband has been asking friends of his to join us at games by offering them free tickets. Our son then must find a teammate which with unused tickets and ask for them. My husband gives no warning. He just announces a couple of days prior to the game that he's invited so and so. Then on game day, we are responsible for getting these friends in and seated with us. More than once, we haven't been able to enter stadiums and see our son before games or the beginning of a game because his friends are late, and he must stay behind to meet them. I think it's inconsiderate to me and our son excuse me, to me and our son that my husband turns it into a three ring circus. He thinks the more the merrier and isn't concerned about the hassle he creates for our son or my feelings. Am I being irrational? Is college? Yes. College. College sport. I mean,

I'm trying to figure out how much how Dan, you okay? We broke Dan. I'm it broke me. How much how I mean, even a high school game, my there's no way my dad could come in and see me before the game. Right. I mean, for, like, hours. You know, it's it's like, when when are they gonna see their son? They don't just go into the locker room. I mean, even if it's a rinky dink small college, I mean, it's it's I mean

I mean, I don't know. This seem this person seems to be representing that, like, if they don't have this complication for her husband, she can. Yeah. I think she's maybe exaggerating But still, nonetheless, you know what? They just need to

buy them tickets if they want them to come that badly and say, We'll meet you there, Or let her just go on in without him. Wife's not being irrational, husband's being irrational. I think they're both being okay. Right. There's not only two ways to skin this fish, man.

Dad's proud. Like, if if it's if you don't wanna be late, you don't wanna walk in late. And it sounds like if there's four members of your immediate family, then the dad is not all three of them. Yeah. So Right. You Go on in. Other two children yeah. Head on in. Go into the locker room. Yeah. So, So, like Put a play on the board. And this is this is pretty this is pretty common. And and you do this in marriage relationships. You also would you tend to do this between, like, parents and kids. Is there's a one thing that's bothering you, and then you look for, like, extra things and you try to load it up in there. Yeah. Yeah. And he doesn't ever do the dishes. You right. And, like, to be to to prove, like, it's a pattern of things. But, like, you just gotta be cautious because you end up looking silly. You have a main problem, which it sounds it feels like your husband is not being considerate. I would suggest that, one, I don't know what it has to do with you. If you don't wanna be late, go ahead and walk in. If you have a healthy relationship and you're not worried about being in two separate places at the same time, go ahead and head on in. If your husband is creating chaos, then let him deal with the chaos that he's creating. If he has to stay out and wait with the late friend, fine. That's on him. Yeah. Yeah. Right. I bet he's fine with that. And he probably is. Now the question, it

it may be causing grief for your son, but if he's a college age son, I think he probably should speak up. I think he should say, hey, dad. The son should speak up to the dad and said it? Yeah. Because he's the one getting the chaos. Now, like, again, I like I get it. As a mom, you're probably like, boy, you're causing you're embarrassing my son. You're causing him inconvenience or whatever. But, like, you can totally do this without being disrespectful. It doesn't mean you disrespect or do not love your dad if you go, hey. I get the four tickets. I don't really like asking for there's there are other those are for the other families. Yeah. And I don't wanna ask him for them. And so if you wanna invite friends, totally cool. Tell my sister to stay home or have them pay for the tickets. Okay. That's not being it's like I know it feels like there's a risk of being disrespectful to your dad, but, like, your dad's not owed, like, you to go hustle up tickets. As a matter of fact, I would say, it's game day, pops. Don't I want be thinking about your tickets. Exactly. Yeah. Right. I want to think about winning. Yeah. That's exactly. Yeah. Okay.

Sekula says, You are not being irrational. Oh gosh. Here comes the heavy. Your husband behaves this way because he, full caps, doesn't have to bear the burden of inconvenience he causes. I I mean, it sounds like he's also waiting out there, so I don't know if that's entirely true. If you would like to put an end to what he has been doing, make him, full caps, responsible for buying his friends tickets and missing the start of the game if they are late. Sure. Stop making it your problem and place it where it really belongs. Yeah. So, like, I I don't disagree with that because it's essentially what we said, but, like, you need to pull the emotion out of it. Like, you're not punishing him. He's just the guy who wants to go do it. Like, he's the guy who needs extra tickets, so let let him handle it. Yeah. That's it's not a like, that's the thing. If if you're posturing like, I'll show him, I'll make him get the tickets. No. Just pull the emotion away from it. Hey, Stan. You wanna go? We need extra tickets? Fine. Go ahead and take care of We're gonna have to be equal c. This is how this goes. And there's a reason they can't leave them at will call. Yeah. Right. Hey. Go get your tickets. Their way got your name on them. Yeah. Like I mean If it's a grown man, can he go to Will Call and make his way to the booth or wherever you're at? And if it's reserved seating, it's like, you all know where you're gonna I mean, we're all yep. You're in Row 4 seat

Yeah. L. And if it's general admission, like, we ain't waiting. General admission is a real pain in the teeth. Yeah. Right. You're getting free tickets to a college sports game. Show up on time Yeah. Or early, which is actually on time. Yes. But it's not a yeah. I just but, like, I don't I don't like how she responded with the capital letters because it insinuates a punishment. Right. Correct. Yep. Agreed. But they can even do this. Here's even another compromise. You can you can say, okay. At x time, if you're not here, sorry. Yes. You'll have to buy a ticket. Yeah. That seems reasonable. And we'll we'll wait here until whatever, and then we're going in. Yeah. And then everybody's happy. And maybe And it's on them. And if your son you know, if if I'm the son, I might say, like, to the to the locker room, say, look. My dad's always causing all kinds of ape trouble. If anybody's ever gotten any extra tickets, let me know. Send them my way. Yeah. Because I'm I'm sure I can I'm sure I can use them. I'd be willing to do that for my dad. Totally. Yeah. But I'm not hitting people up all the time. Yeah. Right. I don't like it. Okay. Alright. One more? Yeah. Yeah. Dear lie for the path, I have a serious problem I have lived with for practically my whole life. Oh, dear. I'm sloppy. Oh. I am incapable of keeping my surroundings clean and taking care of my belongings.

Each time I resolve to get busy and clean up my house or car or whatever, I become overwhelmed with anxiety and nothing gets done. Being unable to keep my surroundings clean and take proper care of my possessions has led to some very unpleasant unpleasant situations in the past. I can no longer afford to continue this pattern of behavior. Please tell me what to do. So if your resolution to want to do this is always when you're faced against, like, all it is stacked up on you, it's going to feel overwhelming.

Like Yes. You need to just start chipping away at it. Like, don't you're not gonna become a non sloppy person tomorrow. Just go for one thing. I cook I cook my eggs every morning with the spatula. I'm gonna scrub that spatula every day I use and put it back. Yep. Succeed in that for a week, two weeks, whatever it is. Like, I I I will say this. Like, this is you need to get it very clear in your mind. This is able to be overcome. Yep. It it it can be. It's not that you're not capable of doing it, but, like, you also have built this like, even by your description, you've built it up so heavy in your mind, it's very difficult to believe that you can climb a mountain this large. And so you gotta start knocking it down into some foothills, man. And so that would be my recommendation. I would write it down. I would be clear about it. Like, here's here's the thing I'm gonna start with. Here's where I'm gonna progress to. Make I tell somebody, here's what I'm trying to do. Get someone to, like I sometimes you know, you know, we use the word accountability and, like, I just it does depend on the you need the right person for this kind of thing. Yeah. You need an encourager.

And sometimes our accountability folks get they get real firm on the they're the paddle. Like, we need encouraging people, people who will check-in with us and who will go, dude, I believe you can do it, or get back on the horse and scrub that thing today because you forgot it yesterday. Because, again, someone who looks at and especially if their example is they've had situations, I bet there's romantic situations too, where it's caused problems for them. If that's not a motivation to change, your harassment over the phone ain't going to do much either. There's more compelling reasons to change than you beating up on somebody. So accountability is still important. Sometimes people need a firm hand, but let's just, I would say, dominant

encourager, but get one. So start small, find an encourager. That'd be my recommendation. Yeah. I'd say you're not incapable, you are unorganized. So there are probably a thousand videos on YouTube on how to organize and clean your house.

Watch some of those videos. Do like Ben said, make a list, make a plan, and just follow it. Yeah, I think you got a good idea there. Find that accountability, that's good. But don't be scared. It's a marathon, it's not a race, you don't have to get it done tomorrow, and, but start start working on it. Yeah. Yeah. And I would say,

not to blow this up, but, like, this is symptomatic of something most likely. Like, laziness isn't just, well, it's not always just there because laziness is your favorite thing to do. Like, the kind of thing where you're getting overwhelmed or anxious about this kind of stuff usually stems from something else. Yeah. Like, you are whether it be a general, like, problem with your own self worth that makes it really hard to get out of the bed in the morning, and therefore, every single thing you've gotta do after you get out of the bed is just trudging through mud, and it sucks. And, like, no amount of organizational effort you have, if you feel like you are weigh a thousand pounds and can't move, like, there's there's something to be said where that has to get cleared out first. And it doesn't have to happen, and it won't happen overnight, but, like, there's a perspective of, like, friend, I believe there's something deeper, and I think there might be something that's that's causing this kind of feeling that you need to take a step and look at. Whether it's self reflection, whether it's getting some friends together and going, guys, I don't know if I feel like I'm I'm deserving of a nice looking place, and so I never get to that point or whatever it is. I'm not gonna prescribe the thought, but just realize there may be something underlying. One of the other things I will say from a more practical perspective is trick yourself.

Trick yourself into doing this kind of stuff. When I get in any kind of depressive state and, like, I've got chores to do, one, I don't allow the laziness of my youth to get involved because I used to be very lazy and very sluggish and sloppy and all this different stuff. But now, like, I make certain that that never happens because I go, like, I've been there before. I don't wanna be there again, and there are people counting on me to make certain it's not that way. It's not fair to my wife if I don't do my chores and lift my part of the burden of the house and and keep things nice. Right? Like, take care of stuff. But the trickery is this. If I'm in that moment, like dishes are my chore, if I'm exhausted or I've had a rough day or whatever reason my brain's telling me that I'm not worthy that moment and I have to do chores, I convince myself to do the smallest fraction of the chore that I could possibly do. Like Ben said, do the spatula. Right? Like, if you've gotta unload the dishes and then load the dishes and you're exhausted already from it, take one dish out of your dishwasher. Yeah. Just take one. Take one cup and put it where it needs to go. And I can I can tell you the first couple times, it may be that one cup, and that's okay? But then sometimes it may go, well, I'm already here, and I already moved one cup. What if I did two? What if I did four? What if I maybe I don't wanna do the dishes right now, but I empty the dishwasher so that in a few hours when I'm in a better spot, I'm I'm much less likely to give up because the dishwasher's already empty. It's gonna be so easy to put all those dishes back in the dishwasher for the next round. Like, you can trick yourself practically into, like, a cascading thing. Right? Like, a

body motion stays in motion kind of perspective of, like, trick yourself into doing the smallest thing, and it may cascade into something big. And it'll be huge and celebrate that win. Be proud of yourself even if it feels stupid to go, oh, man. I'm proud of myself for doing the dishes today. And you think, of course, you should have done the dishes, you schmuck. But, like, have some grace for yourself, and that positive self talk is important to go, you know what? It was a hard thing I did, and it may not have been hard to anybody else on the planet, but it is for me, and I'm glad I did it and be proud in that. So Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's that's the encouragement. It's like like, you can you can do it. Like Yes. You can. If you wanna change your life, you gotta change your life. It is it is actually as as simple as that. And, like, everyone it it is easy sometimes to get into the business like, I can't do this. Yes. You can. Yes. You can. Yep. And and you've done it before. I know, I have con conversation. I have I have a an eight year old, blonde headed eight year old, and this blonde headed eight year old comes down every so often as I'll put her into bed, and then five minutes she'll come down and say, Dad, I can't sleep. I said, You did not try. Like you were in your bed for five minutes. She goes, I can't sleep. I said, Let me tell you this fact. This is going hit you like a ton of bricks. You have fallen asleep every night of your life. You have never

failed to fall asleep. It happens all the time. Oh gosh. But in that moment, it made like, because because whatever was going on in her mind, she's like, it can't be done, dad. It just it's it'll never occur. And so I was you know, the when we were we were you're talking about doing something small. The thing that popped into my mind was, like, sitting sitting in my bed, trying to go to sleep, and it's cold. I live in a two story old house, and so it's cold up there. It's 10 degrees colder upstairs than it is downstairs. Like, it's freezing. So you go to the bed. I don't wanna get out of there, and then you think to yourself, did I lock the door? And you gotta make the decision to get out of bed and go check the door. Mhmm. And so it it just made me think that, like like, that is difficult. I feel like I can't do it. I can't I wanna get out of here. It's gonna be freezing. I still do it, though. Right? Like, there's like, you just you the the the motion I like what what you were saying about the motion of it. Like, it only takes one you're not gonna get up an inch and not keep going, but it's just that inch. You don't even Yeah. You don't even have to think, boy, I gotta get out of bed. That was the hardest part. Can I move myself an inch towards getting out of bed? You will keep going. Yep. And everybody all over the world's washing dishes. You've washed dishes many times before. You totally can do it. And so just like but if you got you wanna change your life, you gotta change your life. You actually have to Yep. But you're capable of it. Absolutely. Agreed. Yep. Alright. Secular says,

you have already taken the first step, which is admitting you have a problem with which you need help. You might feel less overwhelmed if you take on these projects one at a time. Start with one drawer or counter before moving on to the next. An important next step would be to tell doctor what has been going on and ask for a referral to a psychotherapist who can help to get the root of your anxiety. Talking with a mental health professional and possibly taking medication could be helpful, and I hope you will consider it. I applaud you for reaching out. You are not alone in having this issue. Yeah. To me. Yep. You could talk to people. Yeah. You could talk to literally anybody. There's probably some people that will give bad advice, so be be thoughtful on who you're talking to, but you do not need to medicate just because Yeah. That escalated quickly. Are difficult. I sure did. Like, there's this this this the slippery slope that was just stated is not you. Doesn't have to be you. There's a there's a life that you can live where just your brain gets better because you start talking to it correctly, and truth starts living in your heart versus the lies that exist in this world and that you tell yourself. That is the best medication you can possibly have is the truth of Christ that changes this kind of stuff. Even god is so great that even in this kind of, like, minutiae that we think that he wouldn't give a care about. He loves you so much that he wants you to to have a a blessed life

and And so blessed. And to live out in the freedom of of his kingdom versus the chains of what you feel you're not worth. Yeah. I do and I do think it's true that most like, a lot of healing with people happens that you're talking, not expressly who you're talking to. Right. Right? Unless and, Frank, if if they're not saying much of anything, which is probably good for for most of the time, it really doesn't even particularly matter. Yep. Like and but, you know, maybe maybe you get to a point where you needed you need somebody to guide you because you're up against a circumstance that most people don't interact with or don't know how to handle correctly. Yep. Fair. Yeah. But, like, lack of lack of motivation, feeling feeling a little bit dumpy about yourself, not sure why it matters to do one thing or the other. I'm gonna tell you this. I get that sometimes it lands heavier on folks. Most people have had at least moments of this where it's understandable,

right, where they don't know what it's like to be you but they do have they can relate to it. And so you just need someone who understands you enough to encourage you in the right way. Yep. And I don't think there's any leap to you need to medicate it out of yourself or that you need People who love you, frankly, will go a lot farther than any type of technical expertise at times. Agreed. I'm not diminishing that there's not a value in technical expertise, but just start with someone who cares about you. There you go. All right. You've been listening to Live From The Path. Thanks for hanging out with us this week. We really do appreciate it. Again, if you have any feedback for us on the show, get ahold of us on the Bob Eisenhower Live From The Path complaint line, (515) 517-0085. Call or text. We'd love to hear from you. We are rounded out this year. We look forward to at least one more show. If not, maybe we'll sneak a couple in here before the end of the year. But, in the meantime, one, go out to that, shop on livefromthepath.org.

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