Live from the Pathway Studios in Johnston proper. You are live from the Pathway Studios. And you're listening to Live From The Path coming from the Pathway Studios here in Johnston proper, and my legs are out in here. So if you're thinking in your house or driving along in your car, I know a few weeks ago that I insinuated that I might vomit, and that felt wrong. And think I think I cut that out of subsequent broadcast postings.

But I do think it's appropriate that you know that my my beacons have gone door are are lit, and they are in the room. Yeah. I I gotta be honest with you. As the night has progressed, especially when he sat in that chair, it's like watching Domino's fall, and you're like, these shorts are slowly creeping up away from the knee, and it's giving me pause. I can't I can't Like, I'm gonna have to reposition my chair to face north. Here's what I the the arc of glory beckons. You know, fellas, it's nice to know. It's it's nice to know that things can sometimes just stay the same. Like, things change so much in our world. It's nice to know that life from the path just kinda stays where it's at, and it doesn't ever try and elevate from what it is. Nope. As we're we're twenty years into this pretty much, and and Ben's still opening up by talking about his legs. That's what I'm saying. It's like like like king vitamin and missus Butterworth

and uncle Ben, these stand the test of time. This is wild. My name is Mubah. I'm here to tell you you are you are not in fact experiencing a fever dream. The last ninety seconds have actually happened. Just telling you. Here's what I got going on the show this evening. The first the first question or thought is around and we we've talked about this. Like, you're we're we're praying for, like, god we we help us to see you move so that we can join in. But I think the question becomes is like, if you think about the world that you experience on a day to day

your day to day experiences, there is a boundary to what you notice. Right? And so the the we were talking just before the show, an example I gave was hearing birds. I'm surrounded by birds. There's birds everywhere at my house. And if I pay attention to them, they're they're crazy loud. Right? But most days, I I don't, like, walk around feeling like I'm inundated with birds because I'm not listening. I'm not paying attention for them. The narrowness of my life has even though there's all kinds of other things going on around me, the birds are not jumping out. And so if I think about my prayers like that, like, God, I'm open to you working in all kinds of things, but it's actually likely still bound in some ways by my own experiences or expectations of my life. Yeah. And that feels like a I was gonna say risk,

but Kasson doesn't like that. If it feels like that might turn you off. And so like a terrorizing difficult problem. You're really minimizing that. This can be true. Well, it just makes me wonder that, like, even in our best intentions, do we need to be intentional

about expanding what we take in so that we're actually open to be able to perceive ways in which God is moving that we may join that are different than the steps that I otherwise always take. And so I want to talk about that. One, does that make sense? Two, have you ever experienced something like that? And to the extent that it's there, what might I do about it? Like, how do I keep from being in I don't know. I don't wanna be in a bubble, but, like, I I can only live my own life with my own beautiful legs. And so, like and wherever they carry me in delight and glory. So, anyway, just something to think about. We'll circle back to that question. I hope we don't circle back to your legs. Secondly, Bu has got an interesting story of where it felt like God told him to go about, be about a thing. He was about a thing, and that thing just seemed like it was sucking. So Buva's like, forget it. I'm out of here. And then all of a sudden, the very thing that he was supposed to be about seems to come to very clear fruition Oh, boy. At the point of bail. Oh, And so we wanna talk about that. It's a good story and maybe reminds us of places where we're like, Lord, do I the Google Maps can't be trusted. It might drive you off the edge. But Yahweh is kinda batting 10 for 10, and so hanging tight in places where he's drawn you even if you're not seeing what you expect. Also, interestingly,

there was there was a conversation Kassin's in studio. Say hi to Kassin in your car. Hi, Kassin. His legs are not out. I don't think. I didn't look. Don't fool. You They're not. Don't don't look over the desk right now to see if you might catch a glimpse of first trying to pick oh, shoot. Oh my oh. He's capreed. Never mind. He's wearing capris. He's capreed up. Yeah. He wears short shorts. There's no capris out there who wears short shorts. Okay. So anyway, him and I were talking about this notion of

religious experiences seems a little bit broad. But the question is have you ever had these situations where you went to like, I don't know, promise keepers or you went to a camp or there's a you went to you visited a church somewhere and there was just something. It just felt like everything was hidden, right? And then you left that environment and it felt like you could not reclaim whatever that moment was. And to a certain extent, we're like, God, thank you for the things that feel like I got a full glimpse. But then at the same time, the question is, is that like,

if if if the thing that otherwise we are satisfied in and persevere in and we find delight in is this relationship with Yahweh, and it only feels like we can hit it at its peak if the if the if the environment's right, that actually seems kinda risky. Or sorry. Woah. Woah. Awful possibility That works. Of which danger and difficulty

certainly await. It's such a faker. It's something something to think well, so so the question is is, like, how do we think about that? Yeah. And in in what way do you do you either rethink or restructure, reframe the notion of what type of what are we creating?

But then or also, how do I transition from? Or how do you take it with you? Like, is is is some of the gap not because of the thing that it was, but, like, why are we having a barrier of feeling like the only place that it can exist is in those moments and in those events? I'd be really interested if you if, like, someone was gonna ask you a pointed question is where do you think that we are doing this most obviously? And it's probably gonna be the place where the church has gotten so used to it that, like, from an outsider's perspective, they would instantly see what's going on. But because you're immersed in church culture or, like, that you're, you know, you that you attend stuff like this, like, what it doesn't seem like anything out of the norm to you. But if you were able to step back 50 feet and go, you know, I think, actually, if I was gonna find some things that we're doing that's contributing to this, I would say this is one of them. Yeah. I actually have a thought on that. It came up it came up in John this week. And so I have a thought of, like, how how you might evaluate that kind of thing. But, anyway, we'll talk about that. Yeah. We'll we'll swing around to that. Also, we'll have advice on dear life and the path, and but we're gonna kick off with the best story the best story of the night. And oh, shoot. I've heard Are you about to bring the best story of the night after we all had stories? And you're like, I'm the host, so I'm gonna let you know that this is the best story of the night. I'm gonna we're gonna do the story, and then I want you to tell me. I've we've been, like, staying away from new stories, but this one's Oh, sure. Okay. Got it. And so then I want you to tell me. He's like, you know what, Ben? You're probably right. Alright. Fair enough. Okay. Mexican Batman vigilante

wanted for chasing down suspected motorbike thieves taping them to lampposts. Okay. Ben, you have the best story tonight. This is what I'm just saying. I'm That's what I'm saying. I'm being real honest with you. I wasn't expecting this curated emotional response that you've Oh my god. You've made me run into. It was risky. It was a risky thing you did, and it paid off. It felt perilous. Gosh. Okay. But, yeah, you won't be able to recreate this anywhere else. I I don't even know. The my only question that has any redeeming faith value is that, like, is it wrong to be a Batman in the world to follow Jesus and be Batman? But I'm gonna read you this story. What does he always say about vigilantes? You tell me. I tell you what I'm thinking about. A Mexican vigilante dubbed Batman is wanted by police for allegedly chasing down suspected motorbike thieves around town and taping them to lampposts

according to a report. At least five men were discovered helplessly duct taped to street poles over ten days beginning on June 13 in the area of Lagos De Marino, Jalisco. So it's a whole streak. Yeah. Like, he's done this for days on end. That's right. I love this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. He said many of the alleged thieves also had mustaches, cat whiskers, and the Spanish word for thief sprawled on their faces. Wait. So he's he's okay. Keep going. Sorry. I just I I I wanna give so much commentary. Keep going. The vigilante whom Cardenas referred to as the Batman of Lago Steborono left the allegedly stolen bikes near the men to show off their crime, the outlet reported. One photo captured two men duct taped back to back on the pole with a pink sign above their heads and a bike left in front of them. I you guys are missing you're missing these pictures, but it's I'm so excited about this. There's so there's so much tape.

I was gonna say, taping two dudes to a lamppost has gotta be a couple rolls. Right. He had to be, like, a bag full of stuff. You feel like he's got a How did you say he hit them with the duffel? Got the first guy started. You have to knock them so unconscious. Okay. Keep going. Alright. Sorry. Okay. Police are treating the tied up men as victims and are attempting to catch the vigilante. State security secretary Juan Pablo Hernandez said, according to the outlet, the men were cut free from the post and treated for their injures injuries. This article doesn't say it, but it seems like he might have taken a few waylays on him to get him I was gonna say. Yeah. To get him compliant to this post situation. Yeah. Most people don't just get off the motorbike and go, alright. It's up. Go ahead and tie me up to this lamppost. You got me fair and square. I'm ready. I mean, take me to the lamppost, please. Deserved. Deserved. Out Batman. There have been no arrests. Oh, sorry. The men were cut free from the post and treated for their injuries. It's unclear if they are being investigated for the alleged thefts. There have been no arrests yet, but cops have identified two vehicles that may be connected to the incidents. Are they Lamborghinis?

I did not say. Okay. Alright. How much tape can you fit in a Lamborghinis? This is a it's a Ford Bronco. Wait a minute. There's two vehicles involved. There's Batman. There's two Batmans. I'm not wearing hockey pants. They didn't describe this, but if it has fins. Yeah. You're right. I feel like we got them. Is there a rocket thruster on the back? I think we know who it is. This is awesome. Okay. Damn it. I'm just saying. The redeeming faith question. Is it okay

to be a man of justice outside the bounds of the state and and in the service of Yahweh? Yeah. Yeah. Here there's biblical example for this that has to do with, like, when anytime that you see someone calling Israel back who have decided to follow the laws of the land instead of the laws of Yahweh, like, there's justice being done. Like, when they start like, I I it doesn't probably go to individual petty crimes like motorbikes or whatever. Wondering how you're gonna let make that one land, Mike. No. But but, like, overall, like like, we'll say a a philosophical Batman, like Moses will stand up or Elijah even, and we'll say, hey. Come back to the the laws that we should do, and then justice is waylaid on the the evildoers who are perpetrating it. Moses, the original Batman. The original Batman.

He was the Egyptian vigilante. No. He was a murderer. He's okay. So in my mind, the only real barrier here is the whoopings. Yeah. If you're whooping people, I feel like you shouldn't be able actually doesn't kill. That's this whole thing. Yeah. But if we so wait. One feet up to the point on the string of death is fine? Okay. That Moshe. I don't know if it's his whole thing. Also, like, if you just stop saying whoopings and said subdued,

then it seems way more palatable. Like, I just stopped appreciating the crime. I appreciate that you're making it seem more palatable for the situation. Actually, I guess what's interesting is that as a society, you could look you could name it feels bad to say, like, street justice. But, like, if you saw a dude stealing a purse and you tripped him and held him there, that seems like, we should be doing this. Yeah. I you're saying street justice with flair is no good, but regular old easy to do street justice is no good. Was just posing the question. Yeah. What was And is there a risk to it? Yeah. I mean, yes. It's a is there it's Wayne's peril. It is very interesting that the cops are after the vigilante very much like the Gotham Knight situation is already. Like, Batman's always the number one on the list of of Gotham Gotham PD except for in the case of the commissioner who's but commissioner Gordon Levitt. Let me ask you, Buva. Would you serve let's say you were succeeded in capturing and subduing or taping up 50 people. Would you be willing to serve a year's worth of time if caught having done that? In

this hypothetical situation. Yeah. Where I have given a flare for street justice on the 50 dudes. Yeah. Yeah. I'd spend a year. Worth it. I'd spend a year because then I could get to know the the criminal mind even better because I'd be in it with the other guys learning. Do you feel like your wife would And when I get out 250 guys next time. You would say No. My wife would be furious. She'd be like, we have a baby, and you're out there doing some kind of vigilante street justice. Justice. People with babies can't do street justice? I wouldn't. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna go away for a year. How's my wife gonna survive for a year? She is a stay at home mom. Her bike isn't gonna get stolen. Yeah. They're gonna be like, don't don't mess with that gal. That's Batman's wife. She lives in a safe neighborhood thanks to you. If if we can learn from anything from Batman, Batman couldn't have anyone close to him because they would always die. Yeah. That's true. Oh, dang. Yeah. There's a risk for vigilanteism. I'm just saying, if we're going as far as to to make comparisons to the legitimate Batman of DC Comics There's a cost. Very famously doesn't have anyone near him because they always end up getting hurt or killed. That seems can't I have paralyzed. That's also the thing. Than that. Sure. You can. But not in Mexico. Yeah. Not in this part of Mexico apparently because they're gonna have for this time, they're gonna be like, some Batman showed up with Tita Turner legs,

and the criminals just wanted to run away anyway. You can't carry a utility belt with gym shorts. That's kinda how that goes. You've been captured by bright whites. That drawstring can hold three batarangs tops. Okay. Yeah. What okay. So final verdict. Kasson, is it alright to to to deliver street justice as a follower of Jesus? Think carefully. That's not a question. Kassen? Perfect. I think I think I'm on the side of yes. I think that's just I I think there's a risk to it. I hate to keep going with your your word that you so love, but there's a risk to it. You can't take it too far. I mean, Bua didn't wanna spend a year away from his wife and child. Well, what's the line that's too far? Two motorbike guys? No. I don't I don't I don't think that's I think to Ben's point, we should be tripping the guy that stole the purse. You think it's how many times knuckle hit teeth. Is that what said? How many times the intentional repeated street justice? If we just handled street justice individually and everyone took one, street justice could be done. If we could divvy it around, it wouldn't have to be vigilantes in the first place. Batman character. We're all Batman. If Gotham had more morals, there would no be no need for a Batman. True.

I would do a year of time, I think. You're an old man. No one cares if you would. That's what I'm saying. You're the same age. Are you tell you tell me that, like, for the rest of your life, your kids are gonna be like, my dad does street justice. Like, worth it. Totally worth it. I do a year in the can. My daughter gets to live her life going, my dad's pretty much Batman. He did street justice, and it got him in the clink. Mean, dang it. I am an orphan. Taped up dudes. Alright. I could be Batman. Okay. Where am I tell you what. That's a good way to get your Amazon purchases flagged by the FBI. I got bought 75 rolls of tape.

He he was on t moose surgeon for street justice accessories. How hard is it to three d print a batarang? He'd chat GPT'd how does street justice How does street justice the Midwest. In the Midwest. Okay. Slightly off topic. Mike, what's the name of the seventies hipster that's in the dead justice episode of Scooby Doo? Oh, wait a minute. The the The falcon? No. Yeah. Not the blue falcon. No. You're talking about the the hairy chest again? The night ranger. Yeah. The night ranger. That's night ranger? That's That's me. I want if someone else has already taken Mexican Batman. He's the guy that's always shucking clams everywhere he goes. That's how they know the street the the night ranger's been there. Yeah.

What? What are you guys talking about? Any of the new They're very new. No. No. The new Scooby Doo? No. This is a You said seventies. No. No. Well, he is a seventies dude, but this was a Scooby Doo made within the last ten years. Yeah. Yeah. Oh. It's really good. I don't I don't know if the series is is, like, sticks to Scooby Doo cannon or whatever. But, like, here's the thing is there's this guy named the night ranger. And every time he comes into the scene, it, like, plays a sweet eighties or seventies tune, and then he backs out backwards. Yeah. And he's, like, always doing night ranger activities. He looks like Barry Gibb. Oh, he's cool. Yeah. That's I've I've actually been fasting from Scooby Doo since 2013. So Time to get back on. Yeah. Maybe it is. The movies really led you astray. The live actions are no good, but the cartoons suck. The live actions were awesome. That's like the only Scooby Doo I've ever actually interacted with. Legitimately, I've never watched the TV series. I'd I loved the movies. You ne I'm disgusted. You could be disgusted all you want. I thought they were Freddie Frans junior was a low rent John Ritter. Oh. I said what I don't even know who John Ritter is.

Three's John Ritter. He's in Three's Company. What's Three's Company? He also was in what's Stay tuned. Yeah. Stay tuned. Another eighties video. I was gonna say, do you guys wanna keep going? Because I can keep saying what's that if you want to. We could do this the rest of the show. I'll take the first two lines. Kessen's gonna take your como. Knock on our door. Go ahead, Kessen. You said two lines. We've been waiting for you. Everything is at her. K. You're you're the youngest here. What? Anyway, we think it's okay to do justice at the expense. Alright. Five one five. No. Wait a minute. You think it's wrong or you just don't personally going to do it? I think it's wrong. Why? I think I think you made an interesting distinction. I'd probably try and stop the guy running away with the purse. Yes. Yeah. Like if he's running at me, I'm going to get in the way. No no doubt about it. But once he leaves the block, you're like, stop my purse. And that's what I'm trying to find my distinction on is because like. Oh. One, I'm not the guy who would chase him down anyway. That'd be pretty pathetic. If we're being real honest about it. Street justice. Street justice.

And I'm just like, come back. What? What? And I'm trying to get the purse back. Yeah. And then now the ambulance has to be called for me. But like I I don't know about going and beating up people and stopping crime. You would only participate in street justice if it was. That's what I'm for you. That's what I'm trying. I don't think it's a convenience. I think I just don't think it's violent. Versus sought out. Yeah. Like, I don't think I'm gonna go violence somebody. So as long as someone got away with it, it's cool. But if you catch them in the act, then it's fine? No. Again, you're you're missing my distinction that I'm not correctly like actually doing here but like, I think it's the violence. I'm not gonna go hit somebody. Like, I'm not going to go assault someone to stop them from stealing motorbikes. Because that's what's happening. What if they were doing bigger crimes?

I would stop if someone was hurting someone else, I would get in the way and I would I would stop the yesterday. No. I don't think I'd get involved. I like I would make certain that I would help the person going forward but I'm not gonna go after somebody. Help me boo the bad man. No. But I'm not gonna get involved. Here's here's I to to get realistic in a I've been there. Yeah. Like I've been the guy that went and hurt somebody the day from the day before. Yeah and you say it don't feel right. It's not right. They don't feel right. Like I've I've been the guy that somebody called and they were like, I got hurt yesterday. Will you come up with me today? And I'm like, yes. I've done that when I was younger and it was now, it was not the right moment. It didn't feel like justice. No. No. It felt like all I was doing was beating up somebody. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And like that's all it was. But like I've stopped people from getting hurt before. I've gotten in the middle of assaults and I've been assaulted to stop someone from getting assaulted. But like I've never been the oh he hit you yesterday. Oh let's go find him today. Yeah yeah. Would you do so do you would you, what about this taping business? Like, if you could tape him up. I think the taping is funny. Like, admittedly, I think that's hysterical. Does that feel like an assault to you? In the eyes of the law, it would to me. No.

But, like, if I have to knock them unconscious by beating them up and then being able to to start like, string them up with tape, yeah, I went too far. Like Yeah. I like to think Maybe your distinction of how many times, knuckles hit teeth is a fair thing. Comedically bumped them off the back. I like to think of it way more tone. Right. And I appreciate where you're coming from. I see the distinction that you're making. I thought of it differently in my experience. Again, I would I would stop something from happening as it's happening, but I'm not gonna go seek out crime in the in the sake of like, I'm gonna beat somebody up to stop the motorbike gangs. Yeah. I I think it is fair to say that, most people who wanna go after doing street justice are not the people who are gonna make the right distinction about when you would hate justice. Right. Right. L Batman seems cool. Don't get me wrong. Like, that's a pretty sweet deal. I think it's funny that he's beaten me. A non Jesus part of me is like, that's hysterical that he's beaten people up that are stealing motorbikes and then, like, leaving them next to the motorbikes strung up with tape onto a lamppost. That's hysterical. Yeah. But, like, I don't love the fact that he's beaten up people because, like, here's the deal. It stinks that people are getting their motorbikes stolen. Yeah. It also stinks that these guys are getting crap kicked out of them by a random dude. Like, that's not that's not like justice. Yeah. They shouldn't have stolen it, but, that guy probably shouldn't have beat him up either. As and as evidenced by the fact that the cops are like, hey, we are treating these dudes that got strung up as victims because

they are. That's because They got beat up. Okay. But part of it is because the cops are feeling emasculated because Mexican Batman Alright. You're getting freaked out. Mexican Batman's doing what they could. Yeah. They're being shamed. They're being is the problem. Fair. It's it's I am still for it. I do think you have to watch, I I would agree. You gotta watch the level of your recompense. But, like, sometimes loving your neighbor is protecting your neighbor. And Sure. I think that's fine. Alright. You're listening live from the path. Hey. You hey. First of all, if you've heard of Three's Company, hit us on the complaint line. If you've seen these Scooby Doo episodes or you're gonna go check them out, I'd like to hear about that. And I'd like to hear your are you yay or nay on Street Justice?

And finally, if you are in on Street Justice, do you have a sweet name? Bright Whites is already taken. But if you have a sweet name because also Mexican Batman is taken. And I don't wanna hear no flair on it either. Like, will I be like Italian lineage Batman? I don't know. You gotta come up with something better. 5155170085. Call or text. Wanna I hear from you. If this does not excite any conversation, I'll be real disappointed in all of you. I mean, every single one of you, and I'm gonna send the Mexican Batman your way. There was a period of time in my life when I was trying to be called the earthquake. Wait. Was this after the presence of the WWF, your earthquake? I didn't know that ever existed. Admittedly, I wanted to be a UFC fighter named Troy the earthquake Engeldinger. Oh. Yeah. That's a real thing. You gotta check your context. Told me there's a popular earthquake wrestler already. I never knew that. Now I know. I'm glad it never took off. He's a looker. He's a good looking man. Dang it. I would have been less impressive and less good looking. Feels like happens every time I talk with Mike. He's talking about good looking men. Good looking. Well, doesn't have good taste. Earthquake was not a good looking man.

He was. Yeah. I don't know anybody who would call themselves the earthquake that good looks good. No. Just being real honest about that. Case in case in point, I guess. Yeah. Okay. I look like a bridge troll. Okay. So if I was if if I wanna follow Jesus and I wanna join Yahweh where he's working, is it possible that I have blind spots just because my normal life only interacts in certain things and in certain ways? One, does that seem does that seem possible? Two, is that something to be aware of that we should be actively

looking to expand? Yeah. What are your thoughts? Yeah, absolutely. I think that there's something that is is wonderful about going to god in a situation like that and recognizing that like your purview, your your experiences,

your your life in in the bubble that it is regardless of how rough it's better, whatever it is. I don't think it's you you had a step for life or not, right? Like, I think it there's something about allowing your mind and spirit especially in prayer to take a step away from your own circumstances and go, is there something bigger that if I'm only focusing on myself and my circumstances, my situations,

my my, extremes, and my my hardships and things like that that like I'm missing out on a god that's big enough to encapsulate everything and the kind of things that he does and the kind of movements he makes. I think absolutely And like there's something wonderful about trusting God because it really is a trust thing to go like, if I'm to think about things bigger than myself, I'm opening myself up to a level of like anxiety

of, gosh, there's some big problems in the world. Right? Like, if I'm just praying about my job, my life, my house, my household, all this different stuff, it feels manageable. It feels manageable to pray about that and go, god, I believe in you that you're big enough to handle my finances because it's my household. Oh. That's it. It's an interesting thing to think that there is a control in that I have the words and know what to act. Yeah. Versus being in a situation that goes, I I can't even absolutely I don't even know what to say here. When I when I like when I blow up my perspective because I have to do this every once in a while where I just go like, am I praying mundane prayers for my life and my circumstances and my interactions when I should be praying for the god of this universe to be changing things on a planetary scale. Like, there's something about going,

I I have to look at world hunger or something like, the epidemic of of of diseases that are happening in in third world countries in the world. Right? And they're like, they're so big and they're so impossible to be fathomed by me. Like, I can't come up with this a fix for it. There's no amount of money that I will ever make in my life that will make any amount of change. There's no amount of interactions or personal relationships or things pay it forward moments that I'll have in my life that can have an impact on something that global or that large. And going to God and going, I'm gonna pray for myself. I'm gonna pray for my family. I'm gonna pray for my house, my neighborhood, my city, my county, my state, my country, and then the world that you're just expanding this this thought process of going, I believe in a god that is big enough to look at all of this simultaneously

and be big enough to affect change in all of this and trust him that he's going to and like, it helps you to maximize your thought process which sometimes can help you kind of put perspective on your own and your own mind and your own circumstances, right? But like, it's never from the perspective of like, god is god is is too big for your small things. It's about this thought process of going like, god's much too big for just my small things. Yeah. And I don't maybe it's not even like, it can be a significant reorientation of a size.

It also could be that, like, your small thing your small things are just so baked into the normal course of your life that like he could be needing or getting involved in something that is another kind of like a small thing Sure, like yeah, totally. It's just something you would not have noticed. Totally. And I wonder if that is one of the challenges,

and I'm really, really hesitant on some of this conversation because there's always a risk that we take the wrong thing to take away. It's like, well, pray into the thing that's like wildly disruptive and God blesses that. And then your hairs on your head types of things, God doesn't care about that. Right. No. Obviously not. Right. Of course not. Obviously not. But but like I so the the risk isn't at all that like, oh, I focused on a thing that felt it was within my sphere. That's right. Yeah. As you should. Yes. But the question becomes,

is it possible that by the my the normal course of life, I actually have some blind spots in my sphere? And and do I need to be intentional about recognizing that that's a possibility so that I can then, you know, contribute to ways to make sure that I'm not blind in a place that I don't wanna be? And god could be inviting you into something that's just down the street from you that's another small situation but like god is inviting you into that small scenario that's in someone else's life whether it's to offer perspective on your own or whether it's to offer an answer on your own that goes, I'm taking care of this. I'll take care of you too but I want you to see the way that I work in all of these kind of situations. If you're a sparrow, guess what? I have other sparrows too and I'm going to do and I'm to do things for them as well. I'm going clothe them also. Yeah. And feed them too. So I feel like the like the thing that you said where, like, I want to involve you and I want and, like, praying within your sphere. Like, I think those hold a lot of weight for me. Like, it's not it's not like the

mosquito problem in Kenya I'm against praying for. I don't think Right. Of course. You know? But but, like, a lot of the time, I feel like God is inviting you in so he can strengthen your faith as he as he as you join him in the thing that he's doing. Right? And so, like, sometimes, like, we'll pray for world hunger, and God could very well answer just like he answered Judas. He's like, There will be poor always. Right. You know what I'm saying? There's certain parts of a broken world that aren't gonna fix until I redeem this whole thing. So hear my heart right on that. Like, basically, trying to say that, like,

I I find that that more than likely, god is trying to invite you into things around you that's outside of you and being willing to pray, like, into, like, your community or your neighbor or, like, the people you work with. Like like and if evident not being about you, not going, lord, will you hate Fred? Be nice to me. You know I'm saying? Or, like, will you make it so that me and my neighbor aren't getting along? You know, will you will you find a way for peace for that? And I'm not saying that, like, any of that stuff is is not what god wants. God does want peace. But, like, the the actual prayer is, god, will you introduce yourself and make a way, for your things to be done in their life? And would you let me see it, or would you let me be a part of it? Or if any of those situations, like you're inviting me into to hold some kind of responsibility or or hold, like, an example of what faith looks like or talk to somebody, like, will you give me eyes to see it? That prayer goes a long way. Because then it doesn't matter whether it's the whether it's a problem in Kenya. If you ask God for to give you eyes to see the work that he's doing and invite you into it, he might very well be inviting you into Kenya. Oh, yeah. Totally. Yes. And he might be very well inviting you down the street. I think almost every every person I've got involved with where I end up talking to them about Jesus that actually bore fruit, it came from a prayer that said, father, don't know what's going on in that guy's life. Mhmm. But, like, if you would make a way for me to have a conversation about you, I would love to be part of that. Yeah. And then because I prayed that prayer,

my eyes were intent on watching it. Right? I was focused and paying attention for when God was moving opposed to it's hard for me to keep track of what's going on in Colombia. He might be like, there might be revival hitting the streets. And I've been praying for it, and I would have no idea. You know what I'm saying? Like, I didn't even know what happened. But, like, when I pray for God to invite me into things, then like the thing where I used to I I probably still do, where I drop the balls, I'll pray for something that I'm like, well, God's got it handled. And then I'll just be surprised. Right? It'll come as to me as shock. I think most people feel like they're like, when God interacts with them, it's like a holy clap of thunder or, like, don't worry. God will get my attention. And I don't think god's trying to, like, play this gotcha thing where, like, you accidentally turned to the left, and I meant for you to turn right, you idiot. Now you'll be no part of our blessing. I don't think that's what he's doing. Right? But, like, when you when when you when you pray intently for god to do something, like, the the faith part is you watching to see how he's gonna do it and if he's gonna do it and how he's gonna do it. That's where you start paying attention to the work that god is doing, and then you get involved in it because you had an eye for the work God was doing. Where I think a lot of the time we just throw prayers up and go, well, that's off my plate. It's on God's plate. We're done. We're done now. And so I and, like, that starts to pray outside because even if you don't have, like, the full full capabilities to know how to pray for that situation, like, God creates that by by by doing inviting you into that situation. And now you know. And now whatever thing that you had going on that you were worried about or you wanted to pray for your job stuff and all that stuff is completely fine. But it starts to get in perspective where you're like, man, if we're talking about eternity forever for other people and whether my boss likes me or not, I think I know which one I don't give a crap about. Do not chuck them out. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like and so I I think I think the the maybe some of the ways that god would work this out in us is, like, flat out just being asked to be involved in the things that he's doing. And the more people you get to know and the more stuff that god invites you into, the more your prayer life gets way wider and way deeper.

Because then, like, your lawnmower's starting or not, you're like, I don't know. God seemed to provide an eternity for this guy last week. I bet he'll help me with this lawnmower situation. I I'm pretty sure I can trust him with this. I'll ask him. And he gives good gifts because he's a good dad. But, like, the temporary comforts or measures, like, on this earth, god says, yeah, those aren't gonna work. Like, that's not gonna sustain you. He already kinda already told us that. And we spend a lot of time praying for that, for, like, comforts or or or peace in our day. And god's like, there's no peace. There's no peace except for where I'm at. So you're like, well, create more people that you live in, and then I could go be at peace with them. You know what I'm saying? Like like, some of it's very it's a hard word to hear sometimes. We're like, we're constantly praying peace to be or, like, don't make this so hard. And god's like, man, I kinda wrote a book, and I feel like I told you it's gonna be rough because it's it's a broken world. That's the that's what happened. You know? Well, I think I think so much of this is centered on at least inspired by the question of, like, how do we stretch past ourselves? Yeah. The boundary that we have the physical limitations we have from our experiences, how do we get past that and pray for bigger things? Not that little things and huge prayers aren't valuable, but how do we just pray for bigger things, better things than just what our limitations are? Like, wider. Yeah. Like, give me a wider breadth. More than just me. More than just my experience. But instead, how can I see the world? And I like the way you put that, Mike. But I think one thing for me, and and I guess I'm just recentering on the boundary thing is, a lot of the times, I feel like if I could just get equipped a little bit better, if I could just solve this thing, then I can go work for you. And that's why I stay small. That's why I pray small. And I don't maybe you guys never pray small, but I I've prayed small before. Oh, yeah. And I've prayed way too narrow. And I've prayed about myself. And I've prayed about something that probably didn't matter. And it definitely didn't matter when last week,

God saved somebody's life for somebody's eternal life. And this week, I prayed about my lawn mower. And so when when we think about that, I think about the boundaries I set up for myself of, God, if you can just fix this for me, if you can be with this, if you can help me have peace or help me resolve this one thing, I will be such a better soldier tomorrow. I will be able to work for you more. I will be able to do more for you. And it's it's well centered to think that I need I need more, but it's not right. He's he's gonna equip me and he's gonna call me to do what he what he needs me to do without that prerequisite. I don't need I don't need these things. I don't need that piece to go and work for him. And, actually,

think you're right about that. Like like, I would probably say that it has been a significant barrier to me in the past and even maybe presently, where it's like, god, if you just solve this one thing, I feel like I would be I I would be all in on everything else. You know? But, like, this one thing's god it has to resolve. I like, I can't do both. And and I think god's answer is is, like, you're not doing both. I'm doing both. I'm inviting you into both. Right? And, like, some of these things, like, you're gonna watch you're gonna watch and struggle to get past this stuff. And, like, he's like, I'm there for that too. But you also think that the solve or that the prerequisite solving is actually what makes the difference, and god's the only one that knows better of whether that's true or not. That's an interesting point too that you brought up because what you're talking about, what whatever that might be, we we probably know in this room. But that one thing that's if could I just get this off my plate, I could be so good for you. That's not narrow at all. That's not little at all. And and our question started there. Right? That's true. So what what you're talking about there I think in this, it it is narrow

when you look at it. And when you look at it just in your home, it's like, this is the one thing that matters. We get that. But that's not narrow or small. So I don't think it's probably wrong. But I do get like because that's still a focused outward thing. Yeah. Yeah. So I I don't know. Maybe maybe my point was obsolete. But I think I think just centering it on your specific example is, like, that's not narrow or small, but it is within your limitations.

It is within your life. Like Yeah. It also looks what we can handle based on our own human fallibilities. Right? And, like, what we're like, to get to the wide part, we're asking for movements of God. It's more than than you can produce. Right? It's more than you're capable of. It's more than like I think sometimes folks are like and, like, we always bring up classic Moses Aaron stuff. We're like, I'm not equipped for this. I don't know how to do this. Blah blah blah blah blah. And, like, the whole point was never to make it so you were equipped. It was always to make you realize that it didn't matter. Yeah. Who made man's mouth? Yeah. It was always to make you realize that god's like, I'm not asking you to be me. I'm asking you to be you. And I'm inviting you, son, to come with me. Dad's going to the garage to fix a car. Come with me. Dad's gonna go help a town. Come with me. Dad's gonna go talk to this fella. Come with me. You know what I'm saying? And those are the invitations. And some of it may maybe maybe to to help point that in the right direction. Like, the the maybe it's just how we're approaching it. Like, in how what we think prayer does and what we think the purpose of prayer does and what we think that, like like, we're

we get kinda stuck on our own things. We're like, we're not bringing new information to god. Right? Like, I think I had a conversation with a guy this week. He's like, I just I I had a real quick prayer, and I thought you know? And and was time sensitive, and I prayed on it real hard, and I thought god was gonna answer. You know? And I'm like, he didn't answer? He's like, no. He didn't answer. I'm like, well, here's the thing. That wasn't a surprise to him. It's a surprise to you. Right? You declared it an emergency. God knew it was happening since he created the world. He's not like, oh, they got me on that last bit. You know what I'm saying? Like, he totally knew it was coming, and he knew you'd think it was an emergency. And why he answered or doesn't answer, I can't I don't know that. I don't know god's I know his ways aren't mine. I don't know why, like, he would answer or not answer that in a specific time frame, but I do know it wasn't a surprise to him. I do know he knew or already knew it was coming, and and it was and you were gonna go through all the patterns that you just went through. And so, like, it's just a thought that goes that that, like, it was never about us to start. It was never about about our own power, our own abilities, our own usefulness, all the our own like like, sometimes I like to shade my own life circumstances and go, god will use us in the future. Because of this thing that I've gone through, god will help me be able to relate to other people in the future. I mean, he might. He also might not. Yeah. It's not I don't know. You know I'm saying? Because it's more about him and his power than it ever was about mine. Yeah. So okay. So if I think about it feels like there's a few different things to be some of it's just an awareness.

Like, it's okay to be if if the first first place is to recognize where you've got blindnesses and ask God to help you with them. And so the first one could be on the topic of what we were just talking about, which is like some perception that you would not I would not notice Yahweh calling me to go be a light into the local the local cross stitch club because I don't cross stitch. I would have automatically pulled myself out as not being qualified to help in this situation. And if he very well may be dragging me into the cross stitch so I'm the dummy, and I get to ask the dumb questions,

and that's actually these these people like me. And then they then we get to talk about Jesus at some point. And so I'm not saying, like, it's not more holy if it's wild and you're totally unqualified for a thing. Mhmm. Right. But don't pre take things off the table. Don't narrow don't create blind spots on, where is God moving since you go like, because you would go if he's moving there, it's not for me because I'm not qualified in that area. So that would be a place that I think I would pray about to go help me not just to look for where you're moving in places where I want you to move. Yeah. So we we actually had this come up in last week or two. It's like we were we were talking to a kid, and, like, he's been going to college, like, an hour and a half away. And and, like, he kept telling stories of, like, how people wanted to talk about Jesus. And, like, I'm like, man, God's moving down there. And my first thought was, I'm like, I wonder who down there is gonna do it. And then I thought, oh, wait a minute. We can send it's an hour. We can send people down there. You know what I'm saying? If we're if that's where God is moving, we should go. Yeah. And then we should pray about who should go. Yeah. And it's not off the table whether we should go because it's an hour and a half. You're like, that's an inconvenient drive. Or, yeah, I don't live down there. God can God definitely has people in the area. And and, like, what I don't know and what I never know because God never tells me why he would send a guy an hour and a half when there's a guy that lives fifteen minutes away. But God goes, the hour and a half guy, that's the guy I wanted because of x whatever reasons that are holy and awesome Yeah. That I have no idea about. You know I'm saying? That gets to the conversation we were having on the show last week, which is like, you know, how do I discern what if if God is speaking, if I just have a gospel oriented heart and it's a thought I had or whatever, largely came to the conclusion that I'm not sure it actually matters all that much. Like, if you seek ye first the kingdom of God and listen and be faithful with those things, it's probably gonna shake out. And like to the extent that in that particular situation, like my wife and I were like, why don't we just say yes

and we'll see what happens? And, like, if two weeks go by on something that's an hour and a half away and there's someone there that's obviously handling it, then we're like, okay. Then we'll go we'll go back home. And that's the thing. It's like guessing his purposes is foolish. Right? You might like, he might very well call you down there merely so the fifteen minute away guy, you can notice God moving and watch this guy tearing it up. And you're like, man, God is faithful. That's awesome. And you got reenergized and said, how can we help? If you need funds, if you need people to fill in for you, if you need a worship guitar man, whatever, let us know how we can partner with you. And then you go back to your house. I have no idea. Yeah. Zero clue if any of that is happening. Right. A yes gets you into the situation. Whether god wants you to bring donuts, a devotional, devotional, or a a didgeridoo, didgeridoo, you don't know yet. But, like, the faithfulness started with a yes, and it and it can be a yes of which you're like, certainly, god has other people, maybe. But maybe he wants you. And so okay. So blind spot number one says, don't don't pull yourself out of a situation because you think you're not qualified or you think there's probably a better way to do it. There's no reason to think that. Be open to it. It sounded to me like the second one was

sometimes just just patterns of life. Like, we just we go the places we go. We meet the people we meet. And it's not crazy. Like, god created a world, and he gave Adam and Eve a garden. That was their space. They didn't they didn't send him god doesn't send him outside four, you know, four rivers and go three continents over to go name animals there. He brought the animals by. It's he tended the garden that they gave them. This is fine. Yeah. This is fine. It's not and it like, again, if there's a caution here, you're not more holy because you traveled. Right. Like even in the previous example, if it's what God wants, great. If it's not because there's a local dude, great. Not

holy, not super holy. That's the wrong way to think about it. But I think the the thing that does come into those situations is that you use you get used to once you know the path of your life, you stop looking at road signs. You know where to go. You don't pull up the map anymore. You don't ask. You you may notice changes, but you don't notice you you there's just certain things that your your mind wanders on you're not thinking about anymore. And so I think there's an intentionality,

something that I feel like I would pray on to say, again, God, open my eyes not only to opportunities that I'm not qualified for, but like help me not be so familiar with the world around me that I miss places of which may I invest. That I just I just don't see anymore because I'm going about the business of life that could be totally honoring of you as it goes. But I could still miss something. Okay. This is gonna seem like a terrible example. But like You mean the didgeridoo one was great? No. No. I felt I felt good. Those were three d's in a row. I thought he had that can, to be honest. That's so good. I thought of those three six weeks ago. No. That's devotional or didgeridoo. You had that can. I swear. So good. But it's like I get used to the way that my house functions,

and I don't notice that the garbage needs taken out. The garbage totally needs taken out, but I'm thinking about the things that I'm always thinking about, and I miss it. Is my is my house bettered if I'm paying attention to something that I don't always see and that I can serve in that way? Okay. Micro example. But now think extrapolate that into the other ways in which we live our lives, and like you meet the same types of people. You go to the softball game or you go to the class or just the things you're involved in, or even your church. And like, I don't know, what am I what am I not open to? Because I'm just not thinking about it. You're not opposed to it. You're not unqualified for it. It's just not on your mind. And so I I think, you know, when I say, help me not to miss the things that you're doing. Do I know that I have a particular risk in just not noticing because I know how to do the life that I'm in? Yeah, that seems pretty reasonable to me. And so I think I'll pray intentionally to say help me not miss it. What else? Are there any other ways in which we think, Oh, oh, I I think this goes to something we thought we'd chat on this just a little bit, I guess, before the show started. But, like, just, like, listening to other people

will naturally start to expand the world around you. Yeah. Absolutely. And not just collect collecting facts. Oh, Ted Ted went to Uganda with his family. What an interesting story. I will tell them that my cousin also went to Uganda at some point. Yes. These are nice facts. But, like, listen to Ted talk about his experiences. Listen to Mary's situation where she, you know, like, works overnight in the hospital and had some like real difficult situation that you would not think about. You've never had a family member with cancer. You've never had a situation where one of your relatives' house was foreclosed upon. You've never had to think about the fact that there's some people who do not grow up with close figures, parents, grandparents, or whatever. When they have a car problem, they don't know how to fix it. Nobody around them knows how to fix it. They don't have the money to do anything about it. They literally can do nothing. Right. And you've never this is not a conceivable experience to you. Listening, having having, like, intent, and trying to understand other people's circumstances will start to naturally open up your mind. You'll start seeing things that you would not normally see because, like game recognizes game. You recognize people's lives who are the same as yours and their experiences. You don't always recognize things that other people are going through because you're not familiar. And that you're not to blame for that, but you can be intent. Are you is it because I said game recognizes

can't take world. Or you say game recognizes game. I appreciate he gestured me and not you too. The same. That's true. That's my my hand did actually naturally go to Casson. Wait. Are you and Cass on game? Is that what we're saying? That was the implication. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So you guys can take that. Yeah. The only game that Ben recognizes is Balderdash.

Legs out. Game out. Anyway, the point being Donuts, devotionals, didgeridoo. You

nailed it. I don't know. I don't know why life waste that cold. I just I I take tasteful alliteration for 300, Alex. You know why Catherine likes that? Didradoos. Because game recognizes game. Okay. Anyway, I so I just just listen to the world around you. Start with the birds. Move on to the peoples. Start with the birds. Take the world in. Yeah. I I mean, I think that's a good summary. The one thing that popped into my mind is, like, our god is too good and too gracious to be narrow and to be it's not selfish, but it's it's you've everyone's got eyes for their own lives, and they wanna take care of one thing before they take care of the next. And our god is he's gonna work in our routine. He's gonna work in the signs that you drive that you drive by, that you're not using the maps on any longer, but he he's gonna work in these new places and these places that you haven't expanded yourself to Mhmm. And these places you haven't opened your family or your your friends to, and we just have to do that more. We have to pray bigger. We have to pray intentionally. And and that's I think that intentional nails it. And I think intentionally with humility. I think both those things if we can get a posture of humility that goes like, you you're not you don't have to be like, god, I have no idea what's going on here. But, like, I I have definitely prayed that. I'm I have no idea what's going on here. Some of most powerful prayers I've ever done. I'm like, god, I got nothing. Yeah. I gotta be honest with you. I thought this was gonna go away, and it went completely the other way, and, I just wanna do whatever you want me to do. So I'm willing to just hand over the wheel for a bit. You don't like my job? Fine. Job can go. You don't care for where I pick to live? I'll move. Like, I've taken enough decisions on this on this route without asking. And then, like, I I recenter and go, you know what? It's all it's all yours. Help me to see where you want me to direct it differently. And, like, that level of humility kinda sucks because sometimes he's gonna come after stuff that you're like, oh, what I really meant was I wanted to leave my job.

That's what I was more going for. Yeah. I wasn't after you, like, making it so with my new job, like, paying a third of what my old one did. I didn't realize we were there. But to be fair and, like, I I had this conversation last week too where I'm like, people always tell the story where, like, god, who might call you into difficult circumstances? He has never called me to like like, he's also given me gifts throughout my life. Like, every job I've had has been a better job than I've had before. It's not a foregone conclusion that merely because you humble yourself before the lord, you're moving to Bolivia. Mhmm. And you are bound for a hut. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's not the thing. Unless here's the thing. Like, half the time I know God has put it in you already that you're like, I was hoping you were gonna say Bolivia hut. Come on. Because the holy spirit lives in you and goes, I'll get you excited for that Bolivia hut. Put me in. Go to you know what saying? So I I I don't it's not always all that, but there's there's a what what is what's I can't remember where it's at, but God God was talking to I think it was in Isaiah. But basically said, humble yourself before me, and I will and I will clear your land. I will clean your land. Right? And so, like, God's like, just humble yourself before me so I can do my work. Like, I'm not gonna force my work on you. But if you will humble yourself before me, I will show you my presence in a way that you've never seen. And we have such a hard time with that. Because even the humility, the base humility that that we point people to, which is be in your bible and pray, we're like, I'll do that sometimes. What is the what was the phrase earlier this week? Didgeridoos.

Didgeridoos. Oh, it was it was half obedience is still disobedience. Half humility is not humility. Mhmm. You either have humility or you don't. There's not half humility. And god can't. It's not that he can't. He refuses to do work without humility. He just refuses to do it. He's like, this will be my space, and I will get the glory. You will get the joy, but I will be receiving the glory for the things that I'm going to do. And if you're not willing to be part of something like that, then your prayers will go unanswered. He's not getting in business with a real stinky business partner. He's like, maybe me and god go halfsies on this. This sounds dumb. Yeah. But here's the thing. I do this all the time. Yeah. All the time. Like, I'm like, god, handle this. God, be a part of this. I want you to and, like and then I will find days have gone by where I'm like, I didn't ask his opinion. I I didn't pray about the thing. I didn't read his word to to to be focused on the things that he has going. I didn't spend time in prayer. Even just listening. Even not coming up with stuff to say. I just sit in his presence and go, god, I just need to be around you for a bit. You know I'm saying? So, like, as much as I hate that snaky business partner, that's freaking me. And, like, we like, he the most work I've ever seen him do is when I showed up broken. And it's not because he likes to see broken, but that's the only time humanity can seem to deal with humility Yeah. Is when they're broken. Right? He's did the same thing to Israel. He's done the same thing to me. Alright. You're listening to Life From The Path. So, Bubba, tell me tell me about this story,

I think this is related to to to your church experience. Yes. Right? So the the lord says, Bubba, I want you to bring people into your living room and then tell me what happened from there. Okay. So exact exact right. God has has called my wife and I to kind of open up our house and and invite people into our living room and then we've been doing it for gosh over about a year and a half now. It's been absolutely incredible for the vast majority of it. Like it's been so cool to watch what god has done with people that have been close by. Like, it's just been so so awesome to watch the lord move and like there's been times when like we literally had people walking in over. We we meet for about two, two and a half hours and like we've had people coming in. They'd leave their church and they'd show up to our place after their church because they just hadn't had enough and they were like, we want more of it here and we know we're going to get it here and I'm like, it's freaking awesome. Like, I've had to go purchase metal chairs to allow more people into our place. Like, it's been so so cool and there's been plenty of weeks where like I I feel like god has has has asked me to deliver a certain message and I've studied it and I've, you know, done done what I needed to do to to be able to teach on something and you know, my wife is has planned a meal out and all this different stuff and like nobody's shown up and

like that's been fine for the most part. Like, we've just been like, alright, maybe the lord wanted us to rest this week. Like, maybe this was an opportunity for my wife and I just to spend some time in fellowship with one another and just be prayerful and worship together and let that be our Sundays and then it turned into, you know, being prayerful and asking people about their like what they're doing outside of this and it's been super cool. There were a couple weeks last month or this list this last month where we were moving and so we did meet on on Sunday mornings in our our normal cadence and so like we'd cancelled one week because

Gianna was out of town and we cancelled the next week because like we were moving and so it was kind of crazy. We just didn't have a space for people to meet up with with us at. So, were like, alright, we'll meet up next week and the next week rolled around and we just didn't have enough space. Still, we were moving and it was taking longer than we thought. So, we're like, alright. We'll meet next week and so it had been about three weeks and we were finally in a place where we were going to have people to our house and I was super excited about it. Posted a message on our Messenger chat just going, hey, guys. Missed you so much over the last couple weeks like we've been praying for you. We love to see you and we're so excited for Sunday like this is what Troy's going to be teaching about and these are, you know, this is what we're going to have for foods. You can prepare to like, if you like that food, show up with an empty belly but if you don't, like, grab Casey's breakfast pizza on the way, right? Like, giving people the opportunity and so, this Sunday rolls around and I'm super excited and I'm going to teach in in John eight and I really feel like god has given me a message to teach and and 10:00 rolls around and like nobody's there and that's not crazy because like a lot of times people show up a little bit late. That's no problem. 10:05, still nobody. 10:10, nobody. 10:15,

nobody. And I'm like, okay. Well, this seems odd like nobody's showing up and so like, I asked, I asked my wife, I was like, is there a point where I just kind of leave? Because I knew we were going on vacation the following week and I wanted to have some kind of church experience. So, I was like, if I leave, I'll just go to the other house church. That way, I can get kind of filled up a little bit and then, we'll just meet up the next Sunday we're back in town and so like 10:25 rolls around and I said to my wife, I'm like, alright, I'm done waiting like, I want to have church today. So, I'm just going to head out that way. I love you all. See you in a couple hours and she goes, no problem. I'll be here with the baby. We'll, you know, we'll we'll we'll hang out. So, I go out to my car and I start the car up and I'm actually kind of excited because I'm like, I really enjoy going and being taught as well as as teaching and so I'm super excited to go and be with the other community and I'm like, alright, awesome. Start the car and I I back out and the second I I back out of my parking spot, enrolls a dude right behind me and pulls his car in and parks and I'm like, wait a minute, that's John and so I'm like, okay and so I pull back into my spot and I run-in the house and like I look at John and I'm like, oh my gosh, I can't believe I almost just left. John's here and in walks John two minutes later and I laugh and I go, did you see that I was about to pull out? And he started laughing. He goes, yeah, I thought you were driving away and I was really confused because I was like, did he cancel church? And I didn't realize it and so I'm like, no, I it wasn't. I was cancelling. I just didn't think anybody was showing up. So, I was going to head to the other church but I'm so glad you're here. Come on in. So, it's fun because

it's the first time he and I had had a chance to just sit down and it was just kind of like John and I and him and just the three of us kind of hanging out and and doing fellowship together because there's always, you know, at the at the least, there's seven or eight people in the room and it's just like his his brother and sister-in-law and so like there's only so much that you can talk about when everybody's wanting to talk and we only have so much time and so but it turned into John was with us for about four and a half hours. So, he's sitting on our our on our table or excuse me, sitting our chair about four and a half hours and like eats breakfast. We'd gone and gotten like $25.30 dollars worth of like pastries from Costco and like we'd made some sausages and some eggs and all this different stuff and it turns out just to be the three of us eating because my my daughter is not going to eat any of that stuff and so like it was just funny that we have this giant spread of like pastries and food and it's just for the three of us and four and a half hours goes by and finally, we're all like, I can't believe it's basically 02:30 now and John's like, I have to go home because like I plan on playing video games today and I'd like to do that still. I'm like, that's totally fair, man. Go. Thank you so much for hanging out and so,

it it was just funny to me because like I was totally, I wasn't like angry at anybody and I wasn't mad and I wasn't hurt that nobody showed up. I was just like, well, dang. You know, I'm sad because I put I put forth a certain level of effort into their Sundays and like, I I I pray about it and I ask god to send who he wants to send and like because I was impatient and went, you know, I want to go and get this experience for my which I don't think is a selfish thing. I just wanted to go to a different church. Like, I wasn't like, well, forget church entirely. I'm going to Chuck E. Cheese. Like, I'm literally like, I'm leaving here and going to a different church but it was just funny that in that last moment that if I would have gone any sooner, I would have missed him and I'm really glad that I stayed as long as I did and waited as long as I did. It would have been better if I just stayed and waited till he knocked at the door and never would have tried to leave in the first place but it was a really cool thing because I pray every single Sunday that god sends exactly who he wants to send. That like we don't go around advertising. We don't put up like there's no there's no bulletin at our clubhouse that we put up that says, hey, come to this address for church and like we don't go and do stuff like that. Like, we just know certain people are going to show up and like they can't they do when they can and

it's really awesome to watch god move sometimes when people like we we've had people walk in the door that nobody invited. Like legitimately, no one knows the person or it's a random person that got invited like six months prior in a in a off the wall conversation that nobody remembers and they finally showed up and like I prayed on those days and I'm like, that that guy was totally supposed to be here today and like, I almost missed it. I just almost missed an opportunity when like every single week, I pray, god, send exactly who you're supposed to send, who you want to send to be here at our house on Sunday and I'm just complacent and thankful for the opportunity and because the fact that I was I was trying to get out of there and I wasn't I wasn't trying to to do that thing in that moment like I almost missed it and so, I'm really glad I didn't go and I'm glad that I was there and I'm I was super thankful for the time with John and it just made me laugh that I was like, I don't think I'm ever going to try and leave again and again, I don't think it was immoral that I wanted to go to a different church. It's just funny and something about going if god sends nobody, then I can be faithful in prayer praying in my living room on a Sunday, and worshiping on them in my living room on a Sunday. And if god sends 30 people, I could be faithful and prayerful in that too and, like, show up with a message and pray and and teach what what I'm supposed to, and then god's gonna do what he wants to do. And so yeah. It reminds me this makes me think of of this of of Abraham and the promise of the baby. Yeah. And he he says, god's taken too long

for with with Sarah and I. Oh gosh. And so I'm gonna go to Hagar because, like, I I'm just I I still gonna have a kid. It's not the same kid, but I'm gonna have a kid. And then that means, Mike, that your church is a is the Hagar in the story. Are you offended? I don't wanna be the although, I mean, God loved Hagar. Right? Blessed Ishmael.

Right? He's the God who sees. Yeah. So anyway, in that story I didn't know where you were gonna land on on Bubba. Reminds me of Abraham. I wasn't thinking the he laid with his wife's That's what I took from it is that my our house church environment is kind of the harlot type of view. Now she's not technically a harlot but just feels like the way that you tell us how that worked and Sarah was the yeah. Okay. Yeah. Well, that was Actually, it's like the like it was it's just because where I'm at, but it reminded me of Elijah after he had done the had done the big thing on Mount Carmel with both of the both of the altars and god showed up and, like, and then he slayed all the all the ball all worshipers. And, like,

Elijah this is, a three or four year process that Elijah's been going through this stuff. And not a chapter later, he's sitting underneath the tree going, god god, just take me. Yeah. Everything you asked me to use is not working. I did all the things that you asked. I prepared all the things. I prayed all the things, and nothing's happening. And then, like, a chapter after that, god's like, there's 7,000 people in the town over. What are you even talking about? It's and then and I think that's a fair comparison because like. It's better than Ben's Hagar code. That's right. It is it is my I have not said Harlot forever and so I just I just looking at it. Yeah. We actually we have a little flip card thing that says days since Ben said the word Harlot. And I just flipped it from six fifteen to zero. I lost. Yeah. We we screwed that one up. The workplace accident happened. No, it's I think that's a totally fair comparison on Mike's part, not Ben's. From the perspective of like, god has done immeasurably cool things. Like, in the last two year and a half, like, watching him move has been some of the most rewarding things of our lives. Like, legitimately watching him answer prayers

and do enormous mountain moving god sized things. And, like, that's happened on plenty of Sundays where, like, one person showed up, and that's all that's exactly who was supposed to be there, and then life changed for that person. And it's god moving things and making things happen and changing circumstances and, like, reforging relationships. I've seen god make moves in people's lives that I prayed for years for that I never expected to have happen. And I, like, had to set myself back and go, dude, you you faithlessly prayed for years, and god still showed up and went. Even though Faithfully you

answered. Yeah. Right. I faithlessly prayed and he faithfully answered in so many ways. And like, for some reason, just over a few weeks, it was enough of a disconnect for me to go, gosh. Am I useless here? Like, are we even doing the right thing? Should we just stop this? Should we bail? And, like, it was absolutely lies. It was absolutely lies that were going, dude, why am I even trying to get involved in this? I like, I I show up and I put forth the effort and the faithfulness that I'm supposed to. God's gonna do whatever he wants. If it's a 150 people in my living room, it's not gonna work anyway. I can't play the numbers game. If it's one person, it's fantastic. If it's five people, it's wonderful. There's no measurement that I'm trying to put into here but it was this weird moment where I was like, man, I almost missed it. I almost missed it because of thirty minutes of impatience. Yeah. Yeah. Like thirty minutes of impatience would have been enough for like John to show up. What he shows up and walks in the door and it's my wife and baby there and I'm gone. What's that look like? Yeah. Like that what's that what situation does that put my wife in? An awkward situation. And John as well. And guess what? John is incredibly important and it is worth it if only he shows up. It is absolutely worth it if it and guess what I didn't do? Teach. I didn't teach anything. Like, I did not talk about the book of John almost at all. I brought it up because the conversation kinda steered that way at one point in But like by me. But it wasn't it wasn't like, hey. Here's the teaching that I planned on doing on this passage. It just flat out was like, we just started chatting.

And it was him talking about work and him talking his life and him talking about circumstances with with people and around him and all this different stuff. And it was such awesome relationship building. And I got to watch that dude like, I got to see his heart, his heart for the first time because he doesn't open up that much. But in four and a half hours, it's hard not to. And so, like, it was such a blessing, and it was such a reminder for me to take a step back and be like, dude, I'm not in it for a numbers game. There's no level of success that I should even be, like, fighting for from the for other than like being faithful to the lord and allowing the lord to move because people are fickle. Myself included. People are going to show up and they're not going to show up. They're going to be gone for six months and they're going to come back and go, hey, I've actually been on meth the whole time and I've been homeless and I actually like I just I I killed the guy last week and I really need a place to stay and I'm like, alright. Well, I guess we're here for that today. Yeah. You're going to stay in the jail because I'm. Right. Yeah. I guess we're doing prison ministry. Yeah. Exactly. They call me the Mexican Batman. But, like The thing is you're in such good company. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, Elijah did this. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, Elijah did this. He got like, he was there when the fire consumed the box.

Like, the the the water and the rocks And faithfully called it down. And he called he was part of the whole thing. And then a week later, he's like, that I mean, am I even supposed to be here? Like, we're just fickle like this. God's presence is is an amazing thing to witness. And even with that, Israel did the same thing. Oh, totally. Through desert by giant tornado fire. And then you're like, this food sucks. Take me to Egypt. Yeah. Remember when we sat by the meatpots? I love meatpots. There's almost a relevance to this, to the mountaintop conversation, which is interesting because God himself creates these types of situations. Let's let's okay. Let's let's switch to that because, like, that this is this becomes an interesting element to me, like Elijah's life specifically.

So I probably set it up poorly. Cassin, you reset up the conversation, and then we'll take it pick it up from there. Okay. I'll attempt to paint that picture from a previous conversation. But, basically, whether it's church camp, those are separate words, but it could be church camp. Whether whatever the experience is, we have a tendency to mold situations, to mold experiences,

to benefit people. And sometimes we have the goal of sharing gospel in moments like that. And I specifically am thinking about, for my example, what was church camp, planning, writing a curriculum, planning a week full of events, and exposing a bunch of teenagers to high emotional situations, to mentors and leaders that matter, to places and people who think alike them and

and enable them to experience Christ. Mhmm. Because Christ is there and Christ but the truth is Christ is everywhere. And a lot of the times in these high emotion situations, these mountaintops, we don't set people up for success for when they are looking for Jesus off of the mountain. Mhmm. Instead of walking them down or teaching them how to to search for Jesus or see Jesus or experience Jesus in everyday life, more or less, we just take the guy off of Google Maps mountain. We pick him up, and we just throw him back to their hometown

or or wherever they're leaving that experience from to go to. And this could just be Sunday church. This could be the smoke on the stage with the cool worship song that just hit hard. Right? It doesn't have to be the camp or the mountain that that I'm picturing. But we we take people and we throw them out, and they are almost almost unable to feel Christ to find Christ in their everyday life because they think it requires and it's not it's not of course, I'm not blaming them, but because their biggest or most important experiences required

so much. It took so much. It was emotionally available where they aren't available in their everyday lives. And I I guess I'll let you expand on it, Ben. But, really, it's just these mountaintops that we create are just not realistic. And I really hate that we had this conversation, and now you're like, well, God does it all the time. Because we did we talked about this for two hours two weeks ago, and we didn't once say, God does this. Yeah. But you're gonna I hate this. Go ahead. It's an interesting I love it, actually. It's an interesting part of the equation. So I think, like, there's there's not a mustache twister in here. These are, like we do this because, like, you wanna create moments of which seem to cut through

even everyday baggage to get to the soul of something to say, look. If you could if you could get a glimpse of this, then certainly you'd want it. And and even and the things we're pointing to people are true. The, like, intention behind all the things are true. And so I I don't think it's I I don't think there's mustache twisting going on, but there is manipulation. Like but it's done for a positive means. We're trying to we've dropped Gotta find a better word, but it's the truth is it is manipulation,

and we can't there's not a better way to dress that up. Yeah. The intention is curation, but what's actually happening is manipulation. Well, so and so you think about, like I think this is the the the thing that gets mic most of the time. Is it just like like synth vibe? You walk into a place and all of a sudden, like, you're supposed to feel like the heavens maybe feel. Like, there's this just a resounding modulating chord going on all the time, and it's put you in a space. And, like, does the fog do that? Yeah. It does. Does the light sometimes do that kind of thing? Sure. Does. Does the fact that there's a guy who talks louder than everybody else, there's a command to it. Like, these are curated experiences that are designed to try to shape behavior Yeah. Draw emotion, have you connect with the thing. I I I don't think even coming from my perspective, which can be pretty conservative in this type of situation,

it's not implicitly bad, but it is very powerful. Mhmm. And so then the question there's two two major considerations. The first is is it like, are we are we curating experiences to generate good experiences? Mhmm. Or what are we are we curating the experiences as a way to do the thing that we actually think what we wanna do, which is to, like, tap into this thing to get past some of the burnishment and allow people to see and connect with the thing that then is supposed to carry forth with them into the rest of the reality,

not latch on to and say, I only experience Jesus when the vibe is on and when the smoke is rolling. Yeah. I think there's belief that says there's an encounter that that is being cured. Well, there's an encounter that is inherent within the curated experience. Yep. That we would hope would then be permeating through the rest of their experiences, right? Like, if there's, if they are if the experience is curated in a way that they have an encounter with with the living Christ that we believe that we're creating through a church camp experience or through an amazing worship experience or through you know, the best light show at the church house or whatever the thing is, right? Like, there's there's a there's a if if we can just get them to see that, right? Like you're saying, split through

all of the noise of normalcy that people get stuck in and if they can just have that encounter, then, there's no way they could leave not changed. Yeah. And that's the belief that we're running into. And I think the the funny thing that you're mentioning of like, well, now we've got the fact that god does that. Yeah. He has every right to. Yep. He's the one they're encountering. It makes way more sense that god can do this thing because he's the encounter. We're not the encounter. If we are the encounter, there is mustache worthy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So and so so the second thing is is that, like, to the to the extent, there's some things that help people connect with the thing. Mhmm. But if it remains in the moment and doesn't make its way and continue to walk the earth afterwards Yep. That that actually has just drawn them to the event Yeah. And not to the thing the event is even humbly

trying to point people to. Yeah. Absolutely. Yes. And there's and I think that's that's a lot of what we're talking about when you think about your worship experiences, your experiences, your promise keepers, is that, like, there is a responsibility that comes with creating a moment that's designed to point you to Jesus. If it otherwise becomes a thing that points you to the event and not continuously to Jesus, then even if it was awesome, it was for naught. Right. And so does it mean you don't ever do things that help people connect in that way? I don't think so. But I think, one, you start to make sure, are we creating very, very awesome events that don't actually have people latching onto Jesus? They latch onto the And to the extent that the events are successful in helping people latch onto Jesus, have we thought about what it looks like to help them then figure out what it looks like to walk the next inch and foot and mile with Jesus so this thing feels like a boost of energy,

not the only life force. Right. Exactly. Like, am I clinging onto the legs of Yahweh as I go? Or am I clinging onto the the lights of the event? Or like the how because like ultimate they are emotional experiences. Like, that's the thing. It's this is this is again full of terrible examples. It's you get imprinted on the event. Right? Like you find yourself connected with what it felt like to be there. To you to the examples you gave, boy, somebody when when you hear so and so pray and I felt I felt like greatly exposed. Like, I was just sharing all the things. Like, I that moment you want back. Is that available to you every day? Of course. Of course it is. If it feels like it's relegated to only these types of moments, that becomes a risk to you because then actually you're not walking out into the world jazzed up for the work of Jesus because you're taking it with you. You feel like you're slowly being depleted the farther you walk away from it. Right. Yeah. You jump started the battery, but nothing kept it going. Yeah. And so I so I think the interesting part is I don't think the answer is to go we'll never create any any events of distinction. But it's the the the reason I was thinking about the Elijah example, this is him. He's part of the big thing. God showed up. We call he called the fire, and then he he gets a little bit afterwards, and, like, it doesn't feel like that anymore. Now is he missing here's the the difference between him and say some of these situations.

He's not saying, like, god, put me back in the ring. I wanna call more fire. That's not what he's saying. No. And he was disappointed with himself. Yes. Not with Yahweh. Yes. Right. Yeah. But the but the point being Ultimately because of what Israel was doing or not doing. Yes. That's right. Why are people not respite? Actually, this is where he's having the same problem. The big thing happened and but they didn't They didn't change at all. It didn't change. Didn't want it. They watched they watched fire come down from heaven and destroy the altars of those other gods, and they went, I know things. But, I mean, here's the thing. You're one chapter away from god's like, you did all the work you chose. Right. Yes. Fair. Right. And, like, in Elijah's time of of being completely destitute when he's like, god, just let me die. God sends two angels to go, what are you doing here? Yeah. Right. And then feeds him a meal and says, take a nap. Yeah. And then when he wakes up, he feeds him again. He says, take another nap. The best Snickers commercial ever. Elijah, you're not yourself when you're hungry. So what's interesting then is that, like, what you see though, this happens both old and new testament. Every time the people go, they call back and go, you know what? Just do the event again. Mhmm. And then I'll be reenergized. He's like, I'm not doing that. Yeah. Jesus does it. Jesus refuses that thing with the pharisees. Right? And like You get the sign of Jonah. And God will do the same thing. Like, he'll point them back Uh-huh. To, like, remember, I showed this to you, but he doesn't do it for them again. He's expecting them to go on with their lives and do these things. And so, anyway, I think the interesting part is or the the the wrong reaction is to go, we don't do anything that otherwise people have emotional reactions to. There is something to it. I think we should be super careful. One of the examples we talked about, and I think we've talked about this on the show before, is I get a little itchy on the descriptions of violence on the crucifixion.

Oh, yeah. The the scriptures aren't as concerned about that as we but and I know why we do them. It's the reason why 15 ago or ten years ago, I see the passion of the Christ, and I felt something about it. Tears in the theaters. Yeah. And there was and there's I'm sure not that I would say I shouldn't have watched it or anything or that it doesn't still do something. But what is it actually driving me to? Mhmm. And am I enamored with the fact of the suffering, or am I enamored with the fact of, like, this is what true kingship looks like? And so there's a there's a balance in there where we have to be just thoughtful about. There's a point where we I actually think it moved into a a manipulation of guilt that wasn't even it's now not even getting the story right. He suffered so bad. Why can you suck so much? Like, it's like or don't you know how much he sacrificed for you? Well, yeah. But I just I don't think the the weight of, like, how many like, the how deep the thorn went mattered to that. Jesus didn't even come with that. No. Again, again, the Jesus doesn't come back from the cross and goes, guys, it was so bad. It was so bad. Bad. You guys have no idea. They're going to invent a word for how bad this thing was someday and you guys just don't even realize it. He was just like, yeah, I still got the scars but like, there are so many more important things. Yeah. And so anyway, so so I do do do we have to be careful. Sure. As people who put on things like that, you are, we are, we are, we're tapping into things that you should be super careful with but I think the also the thing is is that, like, if it's still righteous to do, how do you not Google Maps a guy? How do how do you make sure that the thing that we are that we're exposing people to and to like, we wanted to point to Yahweh.

Did I actually think about the holistic nature of that experience so that they're still pointing and orienting with Yahweh as they go down the mountain and not just dump off it Sure. And the week after and the month after and that kind of thing. And I think I think that's that's something that people have actually, this is one of the key critiques on, like, tent revivals and stuff. Mhmm. Do do people meet Jesus in those? Sure. I I just have no reason to not there's all kinds of things. Again, you catch me a decade ago. I'm like, no. I don't I just don't think we should be doing it. And now now now I think the the things that I that I felt were perniciously dangerous and risky, as Kassen would say, in some of these situations remain so, actually. Sure. Yeah. Because I was just such a Human experience has changed my mind. Manipulation of, like, I'm just like, for every way that it can otherwise open people up to Yahweh, that same risk that, like, the works of the of the tempter get in there and the people can be manipulated to do all kinds of stupid things, right? So, I think the risk is still there but I don't think you bail from the situation. I think you handle it humbly and wisely. Yeah, like, I think it's totally fair when you recognize that that game recognizes game. This is what I'm saying. And I just, it just, it, it, it will never not come back to that for me. That's what saying. I agree. It's like, in all situations, like, what we land on is that like, here you've got game and then like, if games over here as well, like, they just. Just see they see each other. They see each other. Yeah. And they're like, same z's, and it's crazy. Just wild. Do you think that

we have from church experience, whatever, a gathering of Christians, like, we're like, we have failed to see god move, and so we thought we will help this along. That's some of it. Like, we stopped not entirely,

but, like, there it comes to a point where we don't trust him to create his own fire and create his own lasting impression of his presence. And, like, I know this because, like, I've been convicted during a sermon for sure. I've also been convicted driving down the highway. Yeah. Totally. That had nothing to do with anybody or any tech or emotional attachment at all. Yeah. I have cried listening to a worship worship song by myself. I have had a hard time singing when worshiping with 300 people. Mhmm. And so, like, the the thing that maybe

maybe I just am trying to think through is if the thing if if the presence of God is not repeatable by yourself or away from your event, then that's where we don't wanna be. Yeah. Mhmm. Right? Like, it should be helping you recognize what the presence of god feels like so you can feel it again.

So you can be a part of it again. So you recognize it when it's moving. So you can recognize it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And and once again, like, it's it's the the thing I don't know why I'm on this tear. Lord help me. Like, it's it's being like like, how you avoid this is being in relationship with him. That's how you avoid it. Like, how you help people get down from a mountain because, like, the same scripture and same presence of the holy spirit abides through mountains and valleys both. Yeah. Absolutely. It hauls the mail both places. Yeah. It meets you where you're at in both places. It weeps with you when you're weeping. It celebrates you when things are to be celebrated. And and you can recognize his hand in both of them,

right, when you're in relationship with them. And so, like, I suppose when it comes down to it is is, like, it's it's it's more about not so much as introducing people to Jesus, which it is. Right? But where God's doing work, like, pouring in and being disciple making. Like Yeah. Disciple making is a fancy word of let me show you how to do this. Let me just show you how to be a human. Follow me as I follow Christ. This is discipleship. How to be in relationship with a god. I can tell you where I've screwed it up and where I've done well. I can tell you where I've been a fool and where God has continued to be good. And, like, that's really all that it is. It is that simple. There's not like a sweet book and a and a rubric to get through. Right? So, like, some of it is maybe being able to is like like the the the worship service. Obviously, that's the thing that's always, like, tearing me up is where I'm like, I just wanna be careful that if the holy spirit wasn't moving in your church, then you decided to turn the lights off and get some fog. Oh. And so you thought this will feel better. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? The right question is is, like, if the holy spirit wasn't moving in your church, would you know it?

And if the answer is you would not know it because we created an environment that pseudo represented the movement of the spirit. Yeah. Or you got one of them a few of the ladies who, like, carry that for you so they can kind of talk and stuff during the thing so you know it's supposed to be happening. Like, whatever the vibe is in the joint, you wouldn't know that it's not happening because you tried to co you wouldn't say you covered up for it, but what what it feels like is you facilitated an environment in which people are receptive to it. But in reality, what you may end up doing is faking an environment in which it feels like it's occurred. When you're selling a Timu holy spirit, you screwed people. Yeah. Right? That was disingenuous. Because the thing is like the and it goes back to the humility reaction. If I felt like I had a church of two two two, 300 people, and I'm like, god, I just feel like your your presence isn't here during worship, and maybe conviction of sin isn't happening. And and, like, so here's what we're gonna do as a church. We're gonna pray. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Lord, why is your presence not here? Sure. Yeah. Is there what's going on with our hearts? What's going on with our place? And, like, if we need to devote and sometimes, like, I will do this and, like, I it's not a catch all answer. But, like, sometimes all I have to offer him is my prayers. Right? So I'm like, I'm gonna pray for the next three days, and I'm gonna come here from 6AM to 9AM, and this is what I'm gonna do. Is that in Leviticus? No. It is not. But it is what I can offer him. And what I'm doing right now is not working. So, Lord, will you take this broken human's thought and broken human gift and go, God, I don't know what else to offer you, but I know that I want you. So, like, I'm just gonna submit to this. And it's archaic, and maybe it's religious, and maybe it's frowned upon as a prescriptive way to follow Jesus. But I tell you what it's gonna do right now, it's gonna put my heart on the floor Yeah. And let me turn towards you. So, like, before we buy the synthesizer, can what do we need to do in our hearts? What work can we ask you to do? What do we need to be a part of? Where do we need to repent? What's the things? You know what saying? Like, we did business with god and not with our senses.

And I I think that's probably it's it's a humility question. Mhmm. It always boils down to humility. Can you do just about anything when you approach god with it and said, lord, I'm planning on do this. Talk me out of it. This is what I think will help get past the our hard exteriors of Instagram and low attention spans. Do you think this will help? This is what I want to do, but you tell me where this is gonna be no good. Like, did you ask him? Yeah. I I actually wonder if too some of this is a presumption upon what people have to have. And so, like, if you were to ask seven years ago, they would people would tell you, look, man. These are these are Instagram reel generations of people. They can only take thirty seconds at a time. How how long is the longest pod like, the most popular podcast? Three hours. Yeah. I was gonna say hours long. Joe Rogan's a three hour show. Like, top of the charts, like these top podcasts are people talking for an hour and a half, two hours. Right? The world would have told you that, like, people can only take like, let's reformulate how you interact with the world to facilitate something because people are fundamentally changed.

But the reality is people can only get in this to clear out all the muck from the world, you've got to set a scene. I don't know if I buy that. I'm not explicitly saying it's wrong. I'm just saying, like, have we presumed upon what it looks like to interact with Jesus? You were saying, like, something about what you said made me think, like, hey, we set an environment in which, like, people feel like they're gonna interact with the holy spirit. You mean like a bunch of dudes praying in a hut afraid that someone's gonna come arrest them and then the fire comes? I'm just saying like like there's no proposition except for people going, we don't know what else to do actually. So we're just gonna hide in here and pray for a while. What was the one king that wasn't even worth that the only king worth a crap. Like, it was bad, bad, bad. Then this one dude shows up. He's like, found hey, man. We found this book Yeah. Of He reads the book and goes, oh, we're gonna yeah. Oh, no. It's not Asaph. Who's that? Year old. Joe Josiah? No. Josiah. Josiah. That's right. Josiah. Anyway, like,

no synth vibes. Right? No fire. Everybody shut up. We're reading from the law. Everybody sit down. Here's what Yahweh said. And here's the thing. Yahweh did work with that. They didn't even skip Leviticus. Like, they just went through bombed right through it. Yeah. And and that's the reason I asked the more fundamental question is is maybe because, like, it's me double checking me too. Right? Like, but do I trust god to create those environments within his own people without me doing it? And I think I do. Like, I trust god to meet people. I I I and and, like, that doesn't mean you'd be, like, use random words and be like, cereal box. And be like, the Lord will work with anything. That's not what we're talking about. Yeah. But, like, you know, what we are talking about, like, using the Lord's word, using the Lord's heart, asking him about the things we're involved in. And, like, it did do I trust that God will bring the fire when he needs to bring the fire? And do I also trust if the holy god passed by you, you're gonna freaking know. Yeah. It won't be a I'm not sure. You'll know.

Yeah. If you got ears to hear. So okay. So so on the same token, do I think that, like, are there people who are, like, just real born to play the synth for the Lord? I think that can be true. For sure. Sure. Yes. I think that would be I personally That's what I'm saying. Like But, like, other people, for sure, it's fine. The question yeah. I also actually don't enjoy it. But, like, this irrelevant to the point that, like, you can serve Jesus and be a sent man. Yeah. You can be you can create a really sweet light scenario with your church. Like, these these come with risks and you should be aware of them. But the question is, how would I know? Outside of a preference, how would I know? This actually came up in John

oh, who am I kidding? It's John two. We didn't make it very far. But this notion of know would if the thing you were creating something in your own image or for your own purposes, how would you recognize that? And from a church perspective, like one of the places we were talking about is if the things that are meant to point to Jesus start to become the thing in and of themselves.

So the the thing you would ask yourself is like, we did not do this this week or at camp this year or something, and people would walk away going, uh-uh. It just wasn't as good as last year. If that's true about a thing, then that probably has stopped pointing people to YHWH and started to become a thing in and of itself. And so if people are like, Look, if you stop serving donuts at your place, and people are like, they don't think I'm gonna come here anymore, well then the donuts have become not that you wanted to make life easy, good heart, good intent. People started worshiping comfort. And so it's not that's what I'm saying. If it's not that though, if you like, we eat every Sunday in our house church. No one goes, look, man, if there ain't burritos there, then I'm gonna be really bummed, and this thing just doesn't quite fill me up. We'll just go, no burritos. You'd still need the devotional and the didgeridoo though. Yes. That you do need both of Or you wouldn't have feisty alliteration. It's necessary for both. You know, that's funny. It's funny that you say that because like I we feel the same way about any one of the elements that we we do on Sundays. Yeah. Like legitimately like if we don't have food, it's fine. It's fine. Like, it's fine. People can eat on the way there or on the way away for us. It's fine. Or later. If we if we end up spending two and a half hours on prayer time, fine. It's fine. If we spend three hours worshiping, we feel like it's good time we spent. It's freaking great. People show up on Sundays and like we just did what felt right. Yes, that's right. So I think it's

not a perfect test, but it's one of things you ask yourselves, if we didn't do this and people would say well so that actually might happen. If we showed up and like we didn't pray at all as a church family, I might be like, Sure. Yeah. Listen. Right? But then you go, oh, well the prayers become the idol. I don't think so actually. I think this is the right type of question.

But like if there's a certain I don't know, we didn't have the cajon this week. Actually what I came to is just our and you'll recognize this, Buva. And you're just naturally in the house church environment, like there's very little to pine for. It's like it's pretty stripped down. But the one of the things we might actually do it with is how many people are there. Yeah. It's the risk, and it fits your story a little bit. It's like if you went, oh, but only two families show up. That's likely actually in this type of environment. And if that felt like to somebody who's like, Oh, you know, it would have been great, but there just weren't very many people there. Well then we might be people gathering and worshiping Jesus is great, but if the count really matters to you on how much you're able to participate and enjoy it or whatever. Yeah. Then, that's actually a barrier. That would be our likely barrier. That's exactly why I challenged myself on Sunday because like we we were ecstatic once we took a step back and looked at the fact that one person showed up as freaking great. Yeah. It was absolutely great. Jesus was there. That's exactly I mean, that's kinda the root of the beginning of this conversation is

there are we set qualifications for what makes it good and bad. Mhmm. And I think you kinda you took like, you stopped yourself from what I would have contradicted, which is prayer and worship. Like, oh, if we didn't have these, it really wouldn't have felt complete. Well, that's true. Mhmm. My church experience in your house church or my church or wherever you were going, if you don't have those things, it will feel incomplete, that's probably righteous. Yeah. But there are so many things that whether it's the tent revival or the church camp or the real church service

or regular church service that if we if we're missing, it feels unjust. And that's what we wanna avoid. We don't want like, that's where the question stems from is if we're if we set these emotional connections up and those emotional connections are no longer present, are they going to be able to recognize God? Yeah. And Mike said, obviously, they will. And I think even Buva might have refuted that a little bit with his if they have ears to hear statement. I I don't know if anybody else heard that. But but the truth is, like, we will recognize him. But he is he is everywhere. The holy spirit is flowing through this world, and and we send these kids away from these experiences. And I'm speaking kids from personal, from camp. But we send these people away from these experiences.

And if those conditions aren't met in some places, if people aren't dressed properly, you know, I'm sitting at my Sunday lunch with family after church, and if people aren't dressed properly, then God isn't at that table. Right. Right. That's that's a real thing that's still happening today. Yeah. I've been a problem for people in a church before. But but that that my point being is, like, we are experiencing God everywhere. And if we keep putting these conditions on it and we keep setting setting new new followers of Christ up with these conditions, we're just setting them up to never recognize it even even when it's obvious, even when he's smacking him in the face. Yeah. Well, and it's funny because like there's there's such a a wide breadth of human interaction with all this kind of stuff too, right? Because like, my wife and I are fundamentally different in this conversation.

She grew up like going to altar calls and getting in trouble because she spent too long at the altar and like would be late coming home. And that was her childhood. And it's so funny to me that that's who she is. And that's just it's it is truth. That is her relationship with the lord. She like brought her parents to Jesus. She's freaking awesome. I don't know if I don't get a chance to say it too often to to big crowds like like the the the people that come to the life and the path but my wife is freaking amazing. Every altar call she went to, she meant it. She freaking meant it. It was a curated experience that meant something to her and it strengthened her relationship. Every altar call I ever went to was fake. Yeah. Like every single time I set foot an altar or that I got on my knees there, I was lying through my teeth and trying to curate my own experience or live in that moment. Every single time I've ever come close to Jesus has been on my own, in my car, next to a freaking riverbank by myself going, there's nobody here. This is me and my father and that's it. The and that is not to discount Gianna's relationship. Like her her thing has been like she went to church camp. She went to acquire the fire and all the Christ and youth and all the different stuff. And it awesome for her. It was so fake for me and so like there's there's that that that piece that looks at it that goes like there's something

valuable about this kind of thing to the right person and with the right heart and with the right thought and god can absolutely work through that. Like you said earlier about like ten years ago, you probably would have discounted a lot more things than you would today. Yep. I'm the same way. Like, I used to look at that and go, that's all fake. It's a joke. Like, nobody actually believes stuff but I am proven wrong in that every single day when I look at my wife's faith but it doesn't mean that it was real for me and so there's something about it like god can work through that kind of stuff. If he's the one being honored and exalted and is the one that, like, the encounter is with him, not with the experience itself, like you said before. Yeah. Yeah. I and so I I think that is the there is it doesn't feel like a binary solution to me, And I think I would caution against like extreme reactions But to

like because it's it's also true that like so so experiences that folks like your your wife might have, we might go, that's what we're going for. Sure. How do we kind of craft everyone else to have this How do we get that for Troy? And and and I actually think that's a fundamental misunderstanding. Yeah. Totally. It is just a wide group of people the Lord is dealing with. Oh, totally. We gotta be careful. They don't, like, have the same personality. That don't sound right to me that they would. And and you can't cater to everything. You don't have to over psychologize all the things in the world. But I just when we take responsibility for emotional Manipulation. I know what like, whatever. Like, when we say that we want to create a powerful connection for people for good,

the that's the same nerve is exposed Sure. For all kinds of things. Yeah. And so I think to hold tenderly, to be cautious, and to recognize that it's the impact that they may have, because it's the same thing I find that like I am very, very cautious on like actually when Kes and I were talking, he'd asked me a very innocuous question about something scripturally. And the first things that always come to mind is like, well how could you teach this wrong? How would you screw this up? Like if you were to teach it wrong, what would you do? And then that's how I work. I work through wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. What does that leave me? Okay. Yeah, sure. It's a very protectionist way of doing it, but a lot of it comes from just seeing people

like not meet Jesus or walk away from Jesus from something that I there's people the dudes in this room would look at and go, this is lovely, beautiful, and this is the living water. And somebody else looked at the same thing through some other teaching or something and went, this is disgusting. I don't wanna hear from him. I'm like, how could this possibly be? And it makes me angry. So to to so like how we teach a thing or how we understand a thing, something that is meant to draw you closer to God that separates for you from God, I think we should be I think we should be real careful. Mhmm. Yeah. And then figure out, okay, how do I then not do that? And a lot of it's done in best intentions. I actually so I thought of a camp story now that we've been talking about it. I went and taught at a camp one time. I think it's because they had someone else who was supposed to make it, they got sick or whatever. I'm the B team. Okay? I talk for way too long. I don't get invited to camps. And so they invited me to this camp, and the thing was they're like, you need to talk we want you to talk about Christian persecution. I'm like, okay.

And so I thought, and I found some, like, some of these historical things. I thought they were, like, good stories that pointed out, like, where how far people were willing to go, and that these are natural consequences of the times that they were in and the things that they believed. And that like what we believe is true regardless of the consequences around us, but are are you dying for a love that Jesus offers, or are you dying to just show that you're willing to die? This was kind of the point of the thing. And so we get to the end of this thing, the camp director steps in, and he's like, that was good, Ben. But I want you guys to think of this. He says, if Christianity were illegal tomorrow, is there enough evidence

to convict you? And then he pointed, and then he said it again in the fire. I'm like, you took what was a message that called people to say, like, this is worth dying for if it must because of what it brings in rescue to the world. And these are examples of like brave men and women who have said,

other people? Worth it. And you made it a could I show me all my works, and would the government be able to pick me out as a Christian and persecute me because of it? Like, dude. And I should invite that. Just which now is it is there anything about what this man is saying that is worth considering? Sure, man. If no one can pick you out as a follower of Jesus because all your stuff is in your innards and you never use your eyebrows, elbows, hands and feet or voice to demonstrate good Christian stuff into the world, well yeah, you should think about that. But like it boiled something in my mind I'm like, this not because I said it particularly well. It's just like the concept is beautiful to me. Right? And because it it it in my mind, it matched the way Jesus saw the world and goes, I they don't know what they're doing, but I'm gonna do this anyway.

And turned it into something like, you should probably feel a little guilty because they couldn't arrest you tomorrow because of your Christian faith, and will you just do more? And I'm like, ugh. Missed it. Missed the boat Mhmm. On it. But, like, I mean, it felt real convicting because the fire was going, and I just talked about a bunch of guys who burned at stuff and got boiled in oil and stuff. And then this guy was got the finger out. I'm like, well, it worked kind of. But it was just that kind of thing where, like, just a subtle manipulation that turned it into something that wasn't quite getting at the thing you should've got at. Right. I think that what there's one thing you said that I'll that we should probably wrap up. But, like, the one thing that that you said that stuck with me is, like, both the presence of the holy spirit can can open a nerve and so can almost the manipulation that got you there without the Holy Spirit. Mhmm. And I think a lot of the church hurt that we see or a lot of the people that are running churches with people like that like, they got them there. They exposed the nerve. Yeah. But, like, you don't have the wherewithal, the capability, the love, the grace, or the mercy to take care of somebody when that nerve is exposed like he does. Yeah. He's got all that power. And so, like, I don't I don't I don't think we realize what we're playing with here. When you got to get diving into people like that and, like, churches will just do it figuring this will get them to a spot, but, like, you were never the shepherd. You were always the sheep with them too. And so, like, you acted like you were the sheep doctor, and you were never the sheep doctor. So, like and

it's not it it it just goes back to humility for me. Like, I I think we should always, like, ask people honest questions or prose to them something that, like, should get their heart to think and and start, you know, looking at their own lives and let the holy spirit come in and and like reveal some stuff to em but like, when we when we scrape away all that stuff, merely, like, god's like, I'm I'm working with this person but like in God's all knowing wisdom, he's like, we're five years from this. Yeah. Right. I'm do I'm actively working. I started answering that prayer when her grandma asked for it. Uh-huh. But it's gonna be five years from now before her heart is mine. And we're like, let's get it there now. Scrape, scrape, scrape, scrape, scrape. You know what I'm saying? Like, the like, there's part of the it just feels like a humility thing to me. Like, can god be trusted Sure. To interact with his own children if we're faithful in him inviting us to it? Sure. And, like, that feels like the equation to me. Why are we coming in with a jackhammer when he's using a chisel? Yeah. Yeah. Or, like, if you were this this is gonna sound a little bit harsh, but, like, as opposed to follow me as I follow Christ, sometimes we're like, follow me as I act as your holy spirit until the until the spirit itself decides to show up. Yes. Sure. That's the point Mike's making. And that's a really dangerous point when you scrape away at that nerve Yeah. And to expose it. And and, I mean, god can move anywhere, but he wasn't that wasn't his plan. He was waiting five years. And Yeah. If only we could break their hearts down. You've just exposed them and Yeah. To this church hurt. I I like the way you depicted that. Yeah. That's good. Yeah. Yeah. I so so, anyway, I I think it's a it's it's it's a prayerful thing. It's a prayerful thing because I don't think I god obviously makes moments. I and I I actually if I think of a fairly innocuous example,

what is it? Innoculus? Inocuous. Inocuous. That's what I want. I kept using like a you've been inoculated. Innocuous example. A twenty four seven prayer room feels like, what could go wrong in here? Right? We're just getting ready to pray. That has there's an event to it. There's like we are intentionally gathering. Couldn't you pray anywhere? Of course. Sure you could. Sure. Did we get together intentionally? Did we give our time to go do this to make sure we prayed for an arbitrary amount of time? Yeah. That's what we did.

That cannot become a thing where like it never feels the same unless I'm in the prayer room. Yeah. Absolutely. It can be that. Yep. And so it's important that we say, so do we need to craft, curate those into the same way that we curate the events? We need to contextualize them. And that's not just like, oh, here's your pamphlet. Here's how to take care of your after your oral surgery. Like it's not that. Like we need to think it's not a successful event

if we've not curated the context to know how that event then informs the like it's supposed to be a part of their life that then informs as it follows, not a thing that becomes something that feels separate from their life. And that's the thing. It just takes thought. It it doesn't mean you don't twenty four seven prayer. Provision of prayer is awesome, but you do need to contextualize it. And I think there's wisdom in in how you approach that. You've been listening to life from the path. Like, I think one Yeah. One. Will do one advice. Right? Your life from the path? Yes. I have a coworker who eats canned sardines on top of his salad every day. I know they are high in protein and could be considered healthy, but they stink. He already covers his salad with red onion and balsamic vinegar, but the smell almost takes me out. If that's not bad enough, he literally slurps the remaining oil after he has finished the salad. How should I tell him it stinks or at least ask him to stop drinking the oil like it's water? Alright. Here's what you're gonna do. K? You're going to beat him up.

Alright. Have you heard of You're going to kick the out of it. Alright? Like I'm talking rough. To the point where he's he's knocked out cold. You're going to tape his body to the company fridge next to the offending salad bowl. Yep. So that he wakes up and is near to his offense. And that the the proper authorities can can accost him and and take him down to the station to be tried for for what he's done.

I find this to be reasonable and justice. Yeah. Headbutt him. Night Ranger. Hashtag Night Ranger. Okay. Here's what here's what I'm gonna tell you. This is a common trope. Everybody knows sardines stink. So it's not like you're trying to have to tell them like, hey, dude. Listen. I sat next to your grandma, and she's got a funk to her. It's not that. He's the the thing that smells is a thing that everyone agrees has a nasty smell to it. Okay. What? Is it because I said it's I must say. I just I'm trying to find the relevance of you saying you sit you you tell a dude that you sat next to his grandpa. It's harder to have that. Got a function. To her. He? They recognize

It's harder to have that conversation. It's a lot easier when everybody knows sardines stink if you tell them sardines the second time I've agreed with Buba that you two are ridiculous. Ridiculous. I'm wearing shorts next time. I I don't even have to talk about it. Donuts? Connected. Devotionals.

Digi Digi reduce. Okay. So anyway, the point being is that like, you don't have to act like you're walking on eggshells here. Everyone knows sardines stinks. So I think it's perfectly fine to go, hey, Chuck. The that those sardines smell, man. Can you go can you go eat in the lunch room or outside literally anywhere else where we want to get this in? The question country. Chuck wants to eat in there. Oh, he he does, but I think you can ask him first. I would say because you're you're this is street judge. You're telling you're doing it for everyone else too. Margaret just doesn't wanna say it. You don't wanna say it. You can It's already be solved. Here's what you do. You get Chuck a penguin costume. K? Good. And you give it to him. Be like, you obviously wish you were one of these the way that you eat fish. So,

you should just go be a penguin somewhere else. Your lunch is stinky unlike your grandma who everyone agrees with smells divine. He says, I'm hypoglycemic. You're. That's not protein doesn't help hypoglycemia. I wonder he's eating on infant. He's like, I'm still not working. Gosh. Why aren't these proteins turning into sugars in my system? He says, I don't know that, but it's for my health. He could be an idiot. No. He could be Mediterranean.

He might not even notice these sardines. He might not be an idiot. He might just be Greek. He's Greek. It's like it's like, this is just regular in some cultures. It's American culture that hates the sardines. Yeah. Are you from Spain, Chuck? Yeah. The way you eat the way you eat your tapas. Yeah. Alright. El Chuck. Okay. I think you just need to talk to him. Yeah. I think it's perfectly fair to go. Hey, Like, here's the deal. That is rough. What you're doing? Is there any chance that, like, that can be a take to the car salad?

Dude, you don't wanna eat that sardines in your vehicle. No. I that's why I said take to the car, not keep in the vehicle the whole time. You make it right outside the office door. You run to your car. You eat your sardine, red onion, and balsamic vinaigrette salad. And then you come back in after you've brushed your teeth. Or maybe you get them those listerine thin strips. Those things that were awful for five seconds and then It's passive aggressive business. No. This guy's eating for No. I started with aggressive aggressive and then I landed on passive aggressive. It feels like this guy's eating for a divorce, though. Like, he's just taking any of all. Eating for a divorce. He's just eat everything that might cause a problem with the world, he's like, put it on here right now. I wanna have dragon breath by the time I'm done with this. My lady is not gonna kiss Maybe he's a suave, and his wife's like, eat all that crap. Keep them ladies awake. Yeah. Work. Yeah. What a fun hypothetical you came up with there, Mike. Maybe he's a suave. This Greek suave fella that is so good looking to all the ladies that his lady at home is like, Chuck, you must eat these sardines.

You have to. The ladies, they love you too much. Sounds right to me. That's right. If Abraham would've deployed, she's starving. If Abraham only had sardines. Yeah. Hagar wouldn't have gone near him. Hagar said no. Hagar said no to sardines. I was just gonna say that's why I had to start working from home. But Yeah.

Kiss the ladies. They oh, I thought you because of your sardine problem. Sardines are two kisses the ladies. Yeah. My game recognizes game, Kassen. Oh. Yeah. You just gotta talk to this guy. And, like, here's the thing. You it will not be worse. There's like a well, there's a very small chance it'll become worse. It could be that he becomes so offended that he then starts to eat close to your proximity. How'd you like this? You never know. I did

an alright accent. You came with how'd you like this? How'd you like this sardine? I don't know whether this is just you're like there's not one person at my work where I would not say, you gotta be freaking kidding me with them sardines, dude. Yeah. Like, go eat them outside. No one's gonna sit here. This is it's not like it's not the grandma conversation. Yeah. It's way easier than telling someone that their grandma smells like it. Having to tell somebody to go take a shower, like I've had to I've had to fire someone for hygiene. This is just easier than that. Yeah. Everybody knows. Chuck. Just talk to him. No. Wait a minute. Deceptions. Do can you smell balsamic?

Does that sting out? Absolutely. Yeah. Don't know if that's offensive enough. I I wouldn't go all in. Would just go with the No. That's why I don't think it's only bar balsamic vinaigrette. Like, if it's only balsamic vinaigrette, that's pleasant. But, like, if it's red onions, balsamic vinaigrette, a tin of sardines, and then probably something else, it's this Chuck guy's eating this whole salad. Hold on. Just to switch this about, though, if you could find him to latch on to become slightly infatuated with a lady at the office, he would stop stinking there because he cares not to push her away. Set set up setting up some lady? Yeah. Yeah. Be like, Calvin. That was included in the details, though. Is he single, Mike? It didn't say. Mike, but is he? Yeah. He's definitely single. I implied it with that divorce salutation. Yeah. Ben says this for sure. Yeah. But so what I'm saying is is that He's in an unhappy marriage, and he thinks the tinned fish are gonna help. So you could set him up with a side piece at the office.

Dude, she's got Mager the harlot. You're gonna describe him, and then any woman in the office is gonna go, the sardine guy? Yeah. So I would say Chuck the sardine fella? I would say, look. Ellen has eyes for you, but not nose. You gotta cut them sardines out or you're gonna never be able to get close to her. And then he's gonna stop it. Poor Ellen. Yeah. Sheila, you set her up. Sacrifice Ellen to the sardine monster. Yeah. And in the hopes that the sardine monster stops. Because you're too much of a chicken to go. He's gonna walk over there like, Ellen, love you. What do you think about these sardines?

Helen. Helen, I love you. Will you eat thin fish with me? I still eat fish, but Altoids also. Yeah. I brush teeth right after. This is just an idea. I was just saying alright. Helen, three sardines.

Chest tray sardines. They make me a man. I grow chest hair. I Helen, I hypoglycemia. Drink the oil. The protein, the oil, the fats. My heart like bull.

Oh, I'm done. Here it goes. Oh, no. Hold on. The thing reset while we Oh, no. Sit around. Okay. While you're looking it up, I imagine him eating a sardine, and then every then the chest hair pops out every time he has one. Yeah. Is there no way to distance yourself from the stench or stagger of your lunch breaks so as to avoid the situation? If not, you may want to rally support from other coworkers who feel the same and approach your supervisor or human resources. Come on. Ask that a rule be enacted about strong smelling foods and shared spaces. HR should be able to work out a compromise that allows everyone to enjoy their lunch at peace. That's why HR hates themselves. Yeah. It's because people come to them with this crap. They alright. Here's the deal. We signed a petition against Chuck's lunch and we need you to enact a rule and Chuck will very obviously know that it's about him but don't ever tell them that we were involved. Yeah. And then HR is like, cool. I'm gonna love my job for the next forty years and retire. Thanks. Pretty group of office jockeys.

We think his we think his lunch is smelly. Chuck's tapas seems to be just upsetting. And I I kinda wanna we should design posters, though, if we were the HR member. Oh, I actually, that'd be the funniest way to do it is to make a poster at your house and post it up in the lunchroom. Be like, sardines are for fiends. Sardines are for fiends. Are you a sardine fiend? Chuck. Okay. Human listed live from the path. Ben usually says something, brother. I always introduce the website like it's a big deal. No. Yeah. Literally, no one goes to the website. Wait. I'm at here's what I wanna hear about on the live from the Path of complaint line is, like, have you ever had a situation where you have a coworker that eats stuff like tin sardines

and balsamic vinegar and and red onions and, like, how bad think the proverbial, like, microwaving fish in the microwave, and it's stinking up the whole office. Or burning up a popcorn Totally fair. Like, is there anything that you've ever had to deal with in this situation? How did you handle it? And were you one of the wonderful jockeys that went to HR and went, hey, we need a rule about this against Chuck. Yeah. If that's you, (515) 517-0085. Hit us up on the live from Pathway Plate. There we go. Alright, man. We're gonna cut you loose. If you have any feedback on the show, do use that, Bob Allison Eisenhower from past complaint line. (515) 517-0085. Call or text. Also, go give a prophet's cry, little bit of spin on the old Amazon music or Apple or wherever your fine music is sold. At the meantime, we'll see you next week. But, yeah, you've been listening to live from the path. In the meantime, be faithful in the means. God will handle the ends. Dog on, I've said all the things I was And you've been listening to in faithful means, god will handle Rigatoni. Those

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