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Live From The Path · Season 2011, Episode 31

Ghost Host

Recorded · 1:48:37 · 22,009 words transcribed

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Segments

  • Show open and studio banter 0:01–2:45
    A host opens the show with a 'ghost host' bit and introduces Mike Foust and Dan Hudson as the regular crew in the studio. The hosts rib Dan about the harsh bulletin notice he posted while on vacation, telling callers his phone will not be answered. They joke that the producer Pants can be relied on to do things but never in a timely fashion.
  • Tonight's lineup 2:46–4:32
    A host previews the show: a debate over a Slate article arguing a month-long marriage sabbatical can help couples, reflections on the passing of Steve Jobs and faith, a Florida case of parents convicted after withholding medicine from a child on faith-healing grounds, and a backlog of Dear LFTP advice letters.
  • Steve Jobs' death and celebrity grief 4:32–11:52
    A host recounts hearing a radio caller compare the day Steve Jobs died to 9/11 and the JFK assassination for her 13-year-old son, and says he could not put his finger on why that rubbed him the wrong way. The hosts discuss how Apple's products became an identity for users — the iPhone, iPad, and apps as a way of presenting who you are — and how people invest hope in the vision of a man they never knew.
  • Legacy, mortality, and 'created, not creator' 11:52–18:07
    The hosts discuss Jobs' Stanford commencement speech on death as a motivator and agree that with Jesus' name inserted it would be dead-on true. Reflecting on Ecclesiastes — 'everything is meaningless under the sun' — they conclude that figures like Jobs, Einstein, Newton, and the Wright brothers merely saw more of what God created than others, and that placing faith in them mistakes the created for the creator.
  • Pre-flood technology speculation 18:08–20:43
    One host wonders what a mind like Jobs' could have built with a 900-year lifespan, then speculates that pre-flood people of Genesis 6 — who lived hundreds of years — may have been more advanced than the 'flannelgraph' image suggests, joking that Noah might have run a computerized factory or checked the weather forecast. The bit veers into comedy with Noah the cosmonaut and an 'I love a Jesus, Oprah' singalong riff.
  • Harold Camping's October 21 and gospel tracts 20:44–22:18
    A host notes eleven days remain until the predicted October 21 end of the world and the hosts mock the failed May 21 prediction and its unfulfilled details. This turns into a debate over gospel tracts: one host argues pamphlet evangelism impresses no one, while another defends the old men who hand out children's coloring books.
  • Children's Bible literature critique 22:19–28:41
    The hosts argue children's ministry materials sanitize Bible heroes, debating whether Noah was truly righteous — reading Genesis 6:8-9 aloud — and listing the flaws of Samson, Solomon, and David that the kids' versions cut out. They contrast the heroic impression children get with the adult realization that the stories are about a great God saving flawed people, naming Daniel and Joseph as rare near-flawless examples.
  • Camping postmortem, Michael Jackson trial, Steve Brooks 28:44–32:25
    The hosts read back the failed judgment-day details and joke about the quiet natural-disaster scene, then drift to coverage of the Michael Jackson manslaughter trial. A host wonders what happened to Steve Brooks, a former show guest who sincerely studied Harold Camping's teachings and has since cut contact after the prediction failed.
  • 'Why do you believe in God?' — testimony 32:28–38:36
    A host recounts a conversation in which a struggling man asked why he believes in God; his answer was simply 'he did.' He describes growing up in church without knowing Jesus, and how prayer never fixed his situations but always changed his perspective — and how God speaks to him through thoughts that are not in his own self-interest. Asked how God converses with him, Ben agrees it works the same way: a strong, unexplainable thought that ultimately glorifies God.
  • The 'holy bloodfist' parody of Christianese 38:36–48:29
    Mocking sermons full of impenetrable buzzwords, the hosts invent the nonsense phrase 'redemptive bloodfist' — later shortened to 'holy bloodfist' — to show how clichés like 'give it to Jesus' or 'let the Holy Spirit envelop you' confuse seekers and new believers. They riff on prayer-speak ('Abba father, bloodfist, ghost'), note that Jesus never said 'hey, Dan,' and run the gag through the rest of the show.
  • Chat interlude and next-week promo 48:32–50:52
    The hosts check in with a rowdy live chat, note that a listener skipped the studio visit, and plug the podcast signup and the Monday-night schedule. They preview next week's in-studio guests, the band Syndrome of Fire, and their new EP — jokingly titled 'holy blood fist' and sold for $3.99.
  • The marriage sabbatical debate 50:54–1:01:03
    The hosts debate a Slate piece on Iris Krasnow's book reporting that women who spend July apart from their husbands return closer, and her finding that fishermen's and truckers' wives say separation honed their communication. They agree the real mechanism is attitude toward the marriage, not absence — you do not need a month away to have purpose outside the home — while admitting brief time apart can make you miss your family.
  • Church-building tangent 1:01:04–1:03:48
    Prompted by chat chatter, the hosts riff on a local church-building purchase, quoting a $2,000,000-plus price from Olsen and joking about corralling children behind a curtain 'holy of holies' bought at Walmart. The bit continues the show's running joke about cheap, practical fixes — like using cinder blocks to brace a nursery gate — versus overbuilt solutions.
  • Dear LFTP: waffle-iron etiquette 1:03:50–1:09:07
    A listener on vacation with four young children asks whether monopolizing three buffet waffle irons to make breakfast for six was rude, after another guest berated her and blamed her for childhood obesity. The hosts side with the writer — children need full waffles and the woman's outburst was outrageous — and the 'secular' answer agrees she broke no etiquette rule.
  • Dear LFTP: husband's unfounded infidelity obsession 1:09:08–1:13:14
    A woman writes that her husband of 40 years suddenly became obsessed that she was unfaithful before their youngest child's wedding, then turned hyper-attentive after vowing to let it go; she wonders if he is the guilty one. The hosts say there is not enough information, note the pattern looks like projection, and the secular answer advises marriage counseling if trust is gone.
  • Dear LFTP: widower asks when to disclose his loss 1:13:16–1:21:29
    A widower who lost his wife and only child in a car accident three years ago asks when to tell new dates, fearing he will scare them away. The hosts agree he should mention it matter-of-factly early on — hiding something that significant would be creepier — while the secular answer says he need not disclose all details on a first date.
  • Dear LFTP: regret over a career move that led to divorce 1:21:29–1:28:06
    A woman who quit a good job at 25, later divorced, and now feels her life would be better if she had stayed, asks how to get over regret. The hosts advise trying to reconcile with her ex-husband if possible rather than dwelling, debate whether a biblically divorced couple can remarry — one host looks up Deuteronomy 24 — and riff on a 'First Church of Christ, Scientist' sign as a comedy tangent. The secular answer advises staying in the present and thanking a higher power for the chance to rebuild.
  • Amish beard-cutting attacks in Ohio 1:28:07–1:32:09
    A host reads a news story dated 10/10/2011 about three Ohio Amish men — Lester and Johnny Mullet and Levi Miller — arrested for breaking into homes and forcibly cutting hair and beards, allegedly at the instigation of their shunned bishop father Sam Mullet. The hosts crack up at the contrast with ordinary vandalism and joke about the logistics of a quick dry haircut.
  • Deuteronomy 24 read aloud and marriage theology 1:32:09–1:36:05
    One host reads Deuteronomy 24 from a digital Bible: a man who divorces his wife, who then marries another, may not take her back after the second marriage ends — 'for that is an abomination before the Lord.' The hosts broaden the discussion to Malachi's 'I hate divorce' and Jesus on hardness of heart, concluding that marriages entered as permanent rarely fail that way and that treating divorce as no option changes how couples approach counseling.
  • Next week's guests and studio move logistics 1:36:07–1:38:15
    The hosts confirm the band Syndrome of Fire will be in the studio next week to talk about their new EP — they are opening for Evanescence — and discuss moving the show to a new room, worrying about tile floors, lighting, and fitting instruments into the smaller space.
  • Iranian pastor faces execution for apostasy 1:38:16–1:43:04
    A host gives an update on Iranian pastor Youcef Nadarkhani, charged with apostasy for converting from Islam at 19 and refusing to recant, with his case reaching Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei while Iranian authorities reframe the charges as rape and extortion. The hosts note the pastor's letter to his congregation framing persecution as the logical extension of belief, and observe that Christians in Egypt are being killed as well.
  • Sign-off and closing music 1:43:05–1:45:57
    The hosts sign off, directing listeners to lifeinthepath.org and the podcast feed, and preview next week's show with Syndrome of Fire. The episode closes with a music performance of 'You Gave It All' by Adam Katz, who was on the show the previous week.

Bible references

  • Ecclesiastes 1:2

    Everything is meaningless under the sun. Vanity. Vanity.

  • Genesis 6:8

    but Noah found favor in the eyes of the lord

  • Genesis 6:9

    Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time

  • Matthew 18:22

    70 times seven

  • Deuteronomy 24:1-4

    then her former husband who sent her away may not take her again to be his wife after she has been defiled, for that is an abomination before the Lord

  • Malachi 2:16

    he says, you know, I hate divorce in in Malachi

  • Matthew 19:8

    the only reason there's divorce is because of hardness of heart

  • Genesis 6

    you know, in Genesis six, and and you go prior to that when people lived hundreds of years commonly

Key questions

  • Is it possible your marriage could be better if you just took a month break? (hard-question)
  • Was I being rude monopolizing the buffet waffle irons, and is there a rule of etiquette about it? (dear-lftp)
  • My husband of 40 years suddenly became obsessed that I was unfaithful, then turned hyper-attentive – is he the guilty one? (dear-lftp)
  • When do I tell my date that I lost my wife and child in a car accident? (dear-lftp)
  • How do I get over my regrets and heal after a career move that led to divorce? (dear-lftp)
  • Is it right to grieve Steve Jobs' death as deeply as 9/11 or the JFK assassination? (host-framed)
  • Why do you believe in God, and how does God converse with you? (host-framed)
  • Are we in the tribulation, and is the end coming on October 21? (host-framed)

People

  • Mike Foust
  • Dan Hudson
  • Ben Foust
  • Steve Jobs
  • Steve Brooks
  • Harold Camping
  • Iris Krasnow
  • Michael Jackson
  • Youcef Nadarkhani
  • Ali Khamenei
  • Hillary Clinton
  • Lester Mullet
  • Johnny Mullet
  • Levi Miller
  • Sam Mullet
  • Fred Abdallah
  • Adam Katz
  • Olsen
  • Cheryl
  • Shelly Carson
  • Pants
  • Billy Joel
  • Albert Einstein
  • Isaac Newton
  • Wright brothers
  • Oprah
  • Tom Cruise
  • John Bachman
  • Noah
  • Adam
  • Samson
  • Solomon
  • David
  • Goliath
  • Delilah
  • Joseph
  • Daniel
  • Peter
  • Jesus Christ

Full transcript

Ghost working for the sun. Am a working man. Oh, yes. You're listening to live from the path. Am a special My name is Rick Hoo. You can't see me, but I'm here. I'm the ghost hoop. I'm gonna robe. I'm gonna wear your robe. Hey. Just thought of that ghost host thing. Pretty good. There you go, Mike. I

was gonna sing Are you upset because I I was gonna sing You couldn't intervene on my ghost host comment? No. That was real classic. I wish I would've said it before. I'm tired of you already. No doubt. How are doing? Alright. You're listening to live from the path. I'm in the studio with Mike Foust and Dan Hudson. It's the regular gang. Yeah. Haven't had we haven't done this in a long time. Wow. Good thing we have a great game plan. Yeah. It is it is the everybody's. That's a good point. Dan, you're on vacation this week? I am. How's that going? Have have people I noticed you posted in the bulletin that your phone will not be answered if people called anyway. I've I've received one call. Uh-huh. And I did not answer it. I needed I there was we're out of toilet paper at the Ministry Center. Dan is ignoring me. Yeah. Could be. That's not true. I didn't call him. I mean, sometimes just people don't know or forget or whatever.

I And just I'll just put it in just for fun. You made it pretty clear in the bulletin. It was kinda silly. Did it sound bad? I didn't mean it bad. It was kinda harsh. It was it was brutal. Like Leave me be. Well, because every time I do that, you know, my my my most common comments are, oh, I know you're on vacation, but. Oh, sure. Like I Why would you tell me you know? I hear what you're saying, but I don't respect your wishes. I know it's your day off, but Here's what I need. I'm having a crisis. What was a crisis? You know, it's different, you know. But if it it's just usually something I know you're on vacation, but I just was really, you know, just really wondering, dude. What what do you think about the color blue? Jesus

cares about the color blue. I really love it. I really love blue. See you. So I don't know. Mean, I was trying to be silly. Maybe I wasn't Pants, where's my information about the dive, man? I called you, like, six hours ago. Pants can't be relied upon to now now here's the deal. Pants can be relied upon to do something. It just it's the quickly that's the problem. You can't you can't get pants to to do anything in a timely fashion. I usually expect direct results. Like, I call a guy who's by a computer. If I need information, I call a guy who I know is sitting by a computer and say, look. I need this and this and this. Can you get it to me? And but I don't usually include a time frame. I just figure it takes, you know, ten seconds to check it out on the computer and then three seconds to text me the information. You know, we should have this wrapped up in a couple minutes. As if as if everybody works for you is what you're saying. Yeah. Swirl with that. Kinda works out that way. As far as I'm concerned, I have god stuff to do, and don't be a barrier.

I need things done to me. Alright. So coming up on the show tonight, I don't know. I think we got some interesting stuff. Otherwise, we wouldn't be putting on a program. The That has never stopped us before. So the the question is, is your marriage better is it possible that your marriage could be better if you just took a month break?

Do do we agree with that line of thing? We'll talk about there's a there's a there's a article written by a lady, about taking a month sabbatical from your spouse, so we're gonna talk about that. Also, at passing of Steve Jobs, I I have some I have some questions, I guess. May I I it's probably comments, but I but I think it's better if I ask questions because maybe I just don't understand something. But I do have some questions about that, as it relates to faith. And not so much his faith, but but perhaps faith in general. So we're gonna talk just a little bit about, the passing of Steve Jobs. Also, there's some, there's people in Florida who've been convicted for, not giving their kids medicine

because God heals, and medicine is unnecessary. We're gonna hit that just a little bit. We're also gonna did their did their child die? Yes. Die? Wait. Yeah. Right? Yep. Okay. The kid died. Kid died. That's what happened. Also, we're gonna we didn't get too much advice last week, so we're gonna have to we're have to clean up and get some advice out to some folks. People wanna know. They're they're they're They've got trouble. They Yeah. There's people in trouble. They rely on us. That's right. So we're gonna hit a segment of Dear Life in the path. I feel like we let them down. Who? All those people. What? I wasn't even paying attention. The people wanting advice from us. Yeah. We've let them down. We have an answer. Oh, no. We got them. Okay. I got them. They're online. Alright. Good. Good. We're in good shape. I don't know. Anything else going on? Did I hit all the did I hit the major ones? That's what we're talking about tonight? I think that's most of them. Yeah. Okay. Dan? Dan? Everything's good?

Yeah. Okay. Alright. So alright. So the Steve Jobs thing. I I'm gonna preface this by saying, obviously, a man has passed away, and I I can acknowledge that that is sad for people. I was, I was driving, back to, I I was driving in the car, and I heard somebody on the radio who was talking about the the passing away Steve Jobs.

And and the way that she was talking was basically this. She goes, she was looking at her son who's like 13 years old and said, well, this will be a day that he'll remember. It's like it's like That Steve Jobs will remember. The son will remember. That the son will remember forever. He said, my son Like Steve will too. Was sad. Just just sad and deeply impacted. He said, it's it's his nine eleven. It's his JFK assassination. Where were you the day when you found out that Steve Jobs

had died? And I could not put my finger on why that really rubbed me the wrong way. How old was the the son? 13. 13. Or I had an iPad, an iPhone, an eye. Yeah. So I mean Yeah. Here's the thing. Like, here's what I know about the man. Right? He he runs a mean business, and he's good at what he does. That's true for a lot of people. You know? But now Steve Steve Jobs' his his products have impacted the world, I mean, a billion fold. I mean, he he basically invented the personal computer.

I mean, think about what you do in a in your in your day to day life that has nothing to do with the personal computer. There ain't much. Right? I mean, everybody uses the computer forever. I got a phone book in the mail the other day, and I was annoyed. Like, who even uses this anymore? I can't remember the last time I've looked at I mean, I don't yeah. It's been years. Yeah. I mean, there's just there's just no reason to use a phone book for I mean, I it takes it takes way less time just to search it on the net and get rolling. Know? Yep. So, like, he's he's provided such a a huge impact with his products. But the I don't know. To attribute it like it's been like, I mean, the man did die, but it wasn't a it wasn't it didn't seem like such an event. Like, it's sad. He's been sick for a while. It wasn't like a shock. Yeah. Yeah. So I I mean, his his nine eleven, I that seems a bit much, didn't it? I think so. What you know, I I guess here here's what I was hit by is is is how much the the thing with the the Steve Jobs, this is probably true for

the corporation as a whole, right, is is it's given it's helped people achieve what they think is their identity. Right? It took it took a a set of products like a like a personal computer, and it targeted a certain group of people, like, like artists, musicians, stuff like that. People who are who are nerdy to begin with, and it became cool to be that way. And then it became cool to be part of that culture, to have the things that they have, and and to embrace that, you know, the simplistic the the minimalist design that came with it all. K? But the but the thing is is is that the

I think it's become such a such a big thing to to a lot of these people is because they don't have anything else going on. You know what I'm saying? Like, their their hope is in the vision of somebody else. Is is in the they're they're they're finding a way to take part in, the ideas of somebody else, the, the persona of somebody else, and they're doing so by buying a product. Well, a lot of it is is is is I mean, used to do this with those Franklin Covey, you know, day day planners. You know? Yep. I got one of those. I bet you do. So so peep people like you know,

people who have no business even owning a day planner that what their stuff could be kept track of in the back of their of their mind, they get a day planner, and they go, I am somebody. I I'm I am a man about town. I need this day planner because I'm busy, and people now know it because I own this day planner. And that like, the Apple iPad and the and the iPod and the the the phone the the iPod touch phone or whatever Mhmm. The iPhone. It's very much the same way. Like, it's filled with a million apps that are not super useful, but really but when you look at it, you think it embodies you. Like, the scanner or whatever that scans prices at the store, and you're like, I'm gonna be a super shopper. I'm really gonna bargain. I'm the guy that scans things and gives good deals. I'm gonna and I'm gonna verify before I buy this chicken broth that it's not 5¢ cheaper at the fairway because otherwise, I'm going down the road. No one's gonna take advantage of me. Super shopper. You know what I'm saying? And then right next to it is your stock market software that, you know, takes an analysis of what your, know, $600 in your four zero one k is doing. And then right next to it is is your Angry Birds, you know, just in case you have not filled the the entire day with enough crap that you have still have time to play Angry Angry Birds. Yeah. And then right next to your Bible app, like, you know what? I've always been inconvenienced by having to haul around that giant book. Now I can do it on the go. You know? I I mean and all these things, I've I've done and I've done this. I've fallen into this trap. Like, I got this. I get this iPod touch, and I'm like, yes. Finally, all these apps at my fingertips. I don't have time to use one of them. I have I I I seriously, I don't use any almost I use I use a a podcast a podcast that I subscribe to, with sermons on it, and then I download, I download music. And that is absolutely all I use this thing for. Like, I'm I'm like, I wanna use this calendar. I'm gonna start keeping track of my schedule. I don't do that. That's that's the big thing I do use my phone for is the calendar. I I I'd be lost without it. See, I just you know what I'm saying? Like like, people people get these things. It's just like I don't know. Like, they get these things, then it's like, this will help really get my life in order. You know, this little device right here, this is gonna change my ways. This has everything that I ever needed. Everything that was standing in my way road blocking me, done in this thing right here. Got it. You know? And and what what a clever marketing pull. Well, it's a well, I mean, the technology in general is just a different way of painting a picture of yourself. Right? Like, it's just a different way of presenting who you are and what you do and and how you go about your own business. It's just another forum through which to do it.

I I I think maybe that, like, the the broad thing that that over overall don't know. Concerned me is probably not the right word. But there there was there just seems to me like there's such a gap for people to be so invested in in a in a man who has has had a, has had an influence in something that they use in their in their day to day life. But, I mean, they don't they didn't know him. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like like, to be so I feel like I'm even really callous here. But to be so grieved for someone

that has passed away that you didn't know that happened to make something that you enjoyed, like, the guy that makes Sony televisions, like, that guy has died. The the original Sony man is dead. Really? He's he's passed away, Dan. I'm sorry. Steve Sony? Oh, he's out. And and I'm I'm not saying that this guy didn't have, like, a, like, a a massive impact on the culture, but the but I think people were are are so wrapped up in in in him and in the culture that was that was created by by the device. But it's but I think they're doing it because they feel like they they should. I don't know. There there can't really be a connection to Steve Jobs there. Well, maybe maybe here's the idea. Like you said, a lot of the, at least the original target audience was your artsy crowd, or your, you know, your people doing graphics and and that type of thing. And they tend to be more emotional people. Yeah. And maybe really for this mom, it truly was a I mean, just like when when, you know, Kennedy died, well, I hadn't you know, I wasn't born. People

hadn't met Kennedy. If he's the president, that's a little different thing. I mean, that's a Well, he's kind of leading. Yeah. You know, he's in a leadership position. Now but the people in the company, I can see that. Like, the people that work there, I mean But yet even though he he's he's removed himself. You know? It's not like people are like, oh, the stocks are gonna fall. I'm thinking, well, why? He's he's not Kinda, but he's a one man visionary. Like, he is that whole company. That whole company is him. This this was it I four or whatever came out? You know, it seemed to go out fine with without him. I mean, things are gonna there's a lot of really smart people there that, are gonna keep things going. But he, yeah, he was a visionary. That's for sure. He he Well, they and they they've actually gone to the extent of looking at the decisions he's made over the last eighteen years, and they're attempting to computer model it to help better predict what exactly he does. He's created himself. Yes. I mean, basically, they're looking at the at the way he does his decision making process, and they've created a university to mimic the Steve Jobs way of doing that. That's kind of sad because it'll get better. I bet the next did where did I hear this or read it or somewhere? He'd given a talk after he had received cancer the first time, then he thought he was better. Yep. Know, about his this moment of him realizing his mortality. I think I read something about it. And it was it was unbelievable.

It was very I mean, all he had to do is put Jesus in front of him. He even thought that's good stuff. Yeah. Yeah. You know what? He gave it at a commencement address That was it. At a Like, the new coming in and the old, and they were all gonna be the new and the old and that kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah. The basic synopsis was is that death should be your greatest motivator to do something because you're gonna die, and and it's true for everybody. And Yeah. It it actually was. Actually, I heard that speech. And it's right. Graduate that day? If if you if you insert Jesus' name in there, it's dead on. Like, it really is. I could have said could say that at a funeral. Yeah. It was a dead on speech. And it it was and it was really good. And frankly, it it it was motivating. Like, it's a motivating speech. I find it hard not to get caught up in that every once in while. People give those self motivating speeches, and you think, yeah. I could really beat somebody. Well, here's the big thing. Okay? I mean, it's it's there's no question he revolutionized the world. Right? I mean, he revolutionized a company, but but we're like you say, it's all over the place. Doesn't matter at all now. Especially, doesn't matter to him. I don't know where he is with Jesus. You know, I I I don't I'm not even gonna try to pretend. Well, I have a clue. But does it matter?

I mean, you wanna do everything you can. You wanna live your life and do your best and and be a contribution to society. But, you know, if you do like Ecclesiastes, you got Solomon, wisest man ever and all this stuff. He's he's getting to the end going, it's meaningless. That's kind of a depressing book. Ecclesiastes. Everything is meaningless under the sun. Vanity. Vanity. He had a I don't know. Solomon spent a lot of time living it up, though. Yeah. He did.

Yeah. I I don't know. So I think maybe that was just the deal as as I thought. I I looked at that, and it just seemed like someone like, you have a generation of people that have spent so much of their hope and their vision for the world on on a guy that is going to die. Like and that did. You know what I'm saying? And and and then now, like, you've another man and his vision has defined your life, and I find no comfort in that, because I know other men, and they're terrible people. Well, what and this this shows itself over and over again. Right? Like, the one of the big questions, was, you know, will he end up in the ranks of, like, an Albert Einstein and Isaac Newton, you know, the Wright brothers? You know, will will the contribution that he's made to society equal up to, you know, the the law of physics and and the airplane invention? You know? Like, will the personal computer and the fact that he's invented it be an everlasting,

you know, contribution. And a lot of people said that. And the the I think the guy they were interviewing said, oh, absolutely. This will end up stacking up. He's always hasn't been to the program. He didn't invent the computer. That computer was already there. Well, the the personal computer wasn't. Like, the computer was there to do, I mean, was huge. You know? It was like the size of a room. Because, like, I had an Atari computer when the Apples were coming out and, you know, there there was just he happened to win the race. I mean Yeah. Well, yeah. He's basically credited with making a personal computer usable Yeah. Like, to to do anything. You know? But the, one of the one of the big things that crossed my mind after listening to this is, like, this is the same story with Albert Einstein, with the Wright brothers, and and with Steve Jobs is that, they do come and go. They're not everlasting. They're not promising you anything. You You know what I'm saying? Like, they're not offering you anything. They're basically suckering you into their dichotomy, to further, what they want to do, but they don't it's not like they offer you anything sacrifice anything for you. Like, I I don't like a lot of people tend to put their faith in these guys. Like, they're they're crazy visionaries, and they've really done great things for society. And, and then when they go, you know, people are devastated. Like, oh, we've really lost an important part of our of our world today.

You know? And really, they're just another passing mortal, that has seen more of God's plan than somebody else. You know what I'm saying? Seeing more of what God has out there for for for everybody. You know, like Albert Einstein got to see more, got to understand more of what God created than others, and he shared that with other people. And so it's basically what what we applaud here on Earth are people that have figured out just a little bit more about God. You know what I'm saying? Whether I mean, whether they recognize it or not is a a decent question. Yeah. Whether they'll say you know, whether they credit God or say, you know what? I I've learned this. I I've discovered this. You know, Albert Einstein learned a little bit more about God than everybody else at that time. You know? And what a cool privilege. But but when you put all your faith in Albert Einstein for having discovered it, I think you're missing the point. You know, created, not creator. You know, you're missing you're missing the guy that made it all and the wonder of the guy that thought it up in the first place

opposed to just the guy that has the ability to point at it and go, God showed me this, or I thought of this, you know. Yeah. You know, I've often wondered, and there's no way to know the answer to this. You look at how I mean, look at the great minds we've had just in in the last hundred years. You know just from our history books like Einstein and and some of the names you mentioned. And that there's some pretty incredible advances in technology and all all the just just rapid fire amazing technology. And we

have people who live what? Fifty, sixty, seventy years, and jobs of what? 56 or something? He was in his fifties. And how much they do in a life. I've just think if if a guy like him lived, say, nine hundred years. How how much more would would you build on your experience? And then I've always thought, you know, go back to the flood, you know, in Genesis six, and and you go prior to that when people lived hundreds of years commonly. And and, you know, like, we always think of them, like, in the stone age, you know, like, oh, they chiseled out of wheel, you know, in there, you know, because that's what we saw in the flammable graph. Right. I've often wondered. They could have been more advanced than we are now. Right. Wouldn't you wouldn't you figure by year 200, Adam's like, this rake is stupid. Stupid. We need a beast. Send my robot out. Give me the give me the beast. I mean, you know, I mean, who who knows? But but I've often wondered if we got so advanced and so conceited and so, like, what we can be God, you know, and all all the stuff and the power of Babylon and stuff that happened that,

you know, and then god finally said, let's just wipe this thing out and start over and and and here now we are thinking we're superior. You know, we are so much better off than those people. Maybe we are. I don't know. Maybe maybe we're not. I don't know. That's true. Maybe Noah was checking the forecast. He's like, oh, boy. He wasn't kidding. We better get on this boat. Do it. John Bachman says big rain. Big rain are coming. Yeah. We always think of him, like, cutting down trees with an axe. Like, man, that was a big job for him. He's like, who knows? It maybe had a computerized factory and and and he's at a who knows? I don't know. I I don't know, Dan. That's kind of a stretch. I'm not really on board with what you're saying, but Well, I know. I I I don't even know if I am. I just I just I mean, it sounds often wonder. It sounds pretty cool and all, but I don't know that I'd give that more in a couple minutes. I'll just say maybe the Jetsons, there's more truth to that than you know, and that's really our history. You sure you don't know Tom Cruise? I love a Jesus, Oprah. I love a Jesus. Crazy dance.

Crazy dance future future past. Noah the cosmonaut. I guess I know I guess would I know what we're doing after the crazy loves turban series? This is my planet of the apes upbringing. See the whole space time continuum and things shift, and it's just, yeah, it's bad. Alright. You're listening to laughing at bat. Hey. You know, I was gonna ask you. Are are we at the are we at the tribulation? Are we was when was the end of the days coming back around? October 21. You got you got eleven more days. Oh, okay. I still got time. I think. You don't hear so much about it now, do you? No. No. No. That's

too bad. That that guy's healthy again. Right? He got over his stroke and Oh, yeah. I mean, you don't get over one necessarily, but Yeah. His What does the word tracked mean? Tracked? Well, yeah, the stuff that those dudes are always handing out. Tracked? Oh, little piece little pamphlets that I always thought it was tracked, but it's not. It's tracked. It's got a t on it. Yeah. Are are those effective for anybody? I don't think Have you ever handed out a generations. Yeah. You ever got one and thought, yo. You know what? This has changed my life. It's like a protest. It's like the protest we talk about. I handing out pamphlet literature is like protesting. Has the same impact on people. You know why? Because I don't respect the guy that does it. That's the thing. It's like, you don't really care about me. Like, I don't look at that man and think, I wanna know what makes that man tick. I wanna know what drives that man. I wanna be more like that man. You know what I'm saying? Because he can Yeah. He can chicken out a piece of paper to a passerby. You know? Not impressive. Now you see a guy that loves Jesus and, like, really loves Jesus? Even if you don't know Jesus, you can look at that guy and go, I wanna know I wanna be like that man. What's he about? Mhmm. What's he doing?

What you know, maybe I don't believe that entirely. Like, I really do appreciate kinda like the old guys that hand out the kids literature. Like, that that guy still is pretty cool to me. What do mean? Like like, we had seem to think we're at a restaurant or something. There's like an old guy who had, like, a just like a kid's coloring book. Small tiny looking thing with Jesus stuff in it. And he just, like, swing by and say, oh, hey. These are kids. Blah blah blah. They look great. And then he's like then he just, you know, drops it. Here you go. I brought some coloring books. You know, I've actually that still kinda cool. I've actually slowly become disgusted with with children's ministry literature just because their lack of what's really going on. Like, I I I think kids can handle the whole story.

I think we cut out too much of the good stuff. Yeah. I think we cut out Like like the too much blood and guts and Yeah. Yeah. David being rough and and Zola being rough in parts, that kind of thing? Yeah. Well, yeah. And and Noah being a great upstanding guy. The Bible doesn't record that. I mean, the bible just records him as a guy that god chose to give grace to. Well, you know, actually, I suppose not to oversell it. Right? But, like, the real problem with that is it tends to to to a certain extent glorify the character, the biblical character. It gives the kids impression of, like, here are these great bible guys when when really, like, the story of the story of Noah is a story about a great god who saved a a goofy guy and his family when they all deserved it. Well, it it does say that Noah's a righteous man, blameless in his generation. Noah walked with god, and Noah had three sons. No. No. No. It didn't say that until afterward until after he had It's verse nine, chapter six. Oh. I'm reading. I'm looking right at it. That was prior to the flood. The digital bible does not lie. I don't know about your paper. Wasn't that prior? Was it that was that after No. That's that's prior. He's then he got then then jeez then god says, hey. Build Mark.

Oh. Mike, continue this your discussion about children's literature. Yeah. So I I I don't know. I think they cut too much out. What I think it drives me crazy, and and I guess it's been a while since I've been in the children's ministry area is is, you know, why why do they still dress in nineteen seventies clothes? Have they made that better? I haven't I haven't seen a lot of who? Just the children's ministry stuff. Or or they're in bathrobes. I mean, course, which that, you know, that's kinda what they wore. No. No. Well, I mean, I don't know how those people do it. Our children's ministry is fairly is fairly hip. We're pretty hip. Yeah. It's it's pretty hip. And it's pretty effective, actually. Jesus on roller skates? Yeah. I have don't know. Jesus. Not that hip, I I don't I don't think anybody's that hip. Alright. So, so verse eight, this is Genesis six verse eight says, but Noah found favor in the eyes of the lord. Like, he'd say because he was he found favor, not because he was anything to to call home about. Well, he found favor because he was also blameless,

and he walked with god. And not that he was perfect, but but he kinda stood out among the others. I'd say verse nine is pretty clear about that. Yeah. Okay. I I I will concede that verse nine says Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people among the people of his time Yeah. But not blameless before God. Okay. Yeah. See? He's nothing to call home about. That's what I'm saying. Here's the thing. As as you as as you read these bible stories when you're a kid, and you're like, oh, great. I wanna grow up to be like these men. And then when you get to be older, you're like You read them, you're like I'm I'm equal or better than these men. How many wives did Samson had again before he killed everyone and and himself? Yeah. I mean, I had a hard time finishing that Samson story with the with the child. Wait minute. Well, you you've corrupted two stories. Solomon Solomon has too many wives. Right. Samson. Samson did too. Yeah. He had a couple. Hey, mom, dad, go get me a wife. I like that one. Oh, so he had two he had two. Then he had Delilah. Yeah. Delilah was the second. That caused his ruination. It seems like there was Samson was the guy with, like, a thousand. Well, Oh, Solomon had it. Solomon. Sorry. Yeah. It was, 300 and and and Keep us out of the concubines area. Keep us out of the children's area.

Yeah. We don't need it. Now boys and girls, I want you to imagine all your mommies and daddies. And then imagine another mommy and another one and another one. And another one. So so you you said you've heard the you've heard the kid's scores. You never said, I wanna be like these men. Like, not as an adult, JC, but, like, as a, like, as a kid, is that not generally not the point? Is is to say David was a faithful man of God so that you will look at David and say, oh, I will be like David. I will I will slay the Goliath because I will have faith in Christ or in god. I mean, I I think that's the point of the stories, though. I think JC's a sinner. Look at that. Nope. Don't wanna be like him. I thought that when I was a kid. Maybe I'm mistaken. I did. I thought I heard the story of David. I'm like, yes. David. You I'm the David. Yeah. I'm like, I'm the David in this story. And and oh, go ahead. Sorry. Yeah. Well, I I mean, there's a ton of other examples. Right? Like, the the story of what do we talk about most in children's stories? Like, usually, David David and Goliath, Noah's ark. We usually hit the apostles, the disciples. You know? I'm like, yeah. Yeah. I I wanna I wanna follow Jesus like these guys are doing, you know, of catching fish and whatever. This sounds these guys are really following Jesus. You know? And I I don't know. I thought I'd be like that when I was a kid. Really, really, the two guys that that pop out to me as you get older and start looking start noticing those character flaws going, man, these guys are wow. And and they're like the Bible heroes. The two guys have always stuck out to me as I can't see too many or any in the written account of flaws is Daniel and Joseph.

And both of them had some pretty solid lives. Joseph had everything going against them, and he's kept seeming to do everything right. Yeah. Technicolor dream coat, Joseph. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I thought he was a little cruel with his brothers. Oh, yeah. Some people like I mean, like bleeding them up. Look at my coat. You know? Oh, no. No. No. I mean, as the You're talking about when they were coming back for bread? Yeah. When they came back, like, and he knew it was them, and I don't think so. I thought that was dead. Wasn't that part of kinda making sure they're they've changed? You know, you don't wanna welcome back too soon. Why? I gotta make sure you're you're really right with God. And and I I mean, I know it's it predates Jesus, but, I mean, it doesn't forgive 70 times seven. You don't you don't well, I wanna make sure you're okay before I welcome you back.

Well, yeah. I I think it's like, how much can I trust you? With what? The bread I'm gonna give you? Well, if he's having to move out there. He planted the silver on the younger one. I'm just saying. I know. But he's like, are you gonna kill my brother too? You you look what you did to me. You know, you you were gonna leave me for dead. Are you gonna do the same thing? And I need to know where you're at. Have you learned anything? What do you want his defense counsel? Oh my god. He had his reasons. I'm just saying that.

Dan Higgins Clark over here. Yeah. So if the silver doesn't fit, you must have quit. Yeah. Alright. So anyway, October 21. That's that's the judgment day. Says by god's grace and tremendous mercy, he's giving us advanced warning as to what he's about to do. Oh, wait. Oh, sorry. On judgment day, May 21, that's the one we already we already missed. This five month period of horrible torment will begin for all the inhabitants of the earth. It has been pretty crappy in the last couple months or so. Earthquakes will ravage the whole world as the earth will no longer conceal its dead. That hadn't really happened, though. There's dead people flying around. People who died will experience resurrection of their bodies and leave the world. Those who died on the table will be raised up as well. Their lifeless bodies scattered about the face of all the earth. Yeah. I don't think the other way. Their lifeless bodies scattered across the earth. You know what? I'd make sure I was dead right before I started saying crap like that. I mean,

what the next day, would've broke out my front door. There's gonna be, like, 50 dead people strolling across the lawn. Was gonna like, no earthquakes, though. No. It's been the know there's been tons of them, but we Well, right. But, like, not big major Yes. Throwing the dead up everywhere. Quiet in the natural disaster area as of late, has it not? I mean, we've had Man, we've we have we have man made problems. We have economic collapse. Dudes, people making bad decisions and doing dumb things. That's not the the Earth coming after you. That's the man destroying himself. Yeah. I I I haven't seen this dead here's the I haven't seen this dead body thing. No. Mean, let's let's get away from the ethereal and move back to the obvious. Right? The Earth is not spinning its dead out yet. I I I've yet to see this go down. Maybe he was watching that is that the poltergeist movie where it's raining and all these caskets are coming up in their swimming pool? They were trying to build a swimming thriller video. Dude. Oh, there's one in, the Poltergeist. That's like the only scene I've seen in

of it. It was on TV one day, and I'm like, oh, that's kinda gross. Did they acquit that guy? Did they acquit Jackson's? It's not done yet. Oh. Oh. Sorry. I didn't mean to get off topic there, but That's kind of an interesting situation. Is it? Not that I followed it really, but I mean, just just what little bits to hear you go like Yes. That'd kind of wild to be a a doctor of like Jackson? One of the stars and the I could see how you could be very tempted to give him whatever he wants. He'll just replace you. I'm sure he paid him well. Yeah. That's the thing. He said, like like, celebrities like the mafia. You either do what they tell you or they'll just get rid of you. You're you're a figurehead for their bidding. Yours your medical expertise really doesn't matter at all. Yeah. I just wanna feel good. Right. I just give you the stuff I asked for. Did you hear the tape they played in in the court of Michael Jackson when he was like totally stoned? Like, just a couple weeks before he died. Uh-uh. He was like talking about the show, you know, like I mean, it's it's just it just sounds like a a stereotypical

Hollywood, you know, drug scene, you know. Just I just want him to like I want him to see something beautiful. I don't remember what he said. I want him to see something beautiful. Yeah. It was it was kinda creepy, though. It like, kinda feel sorry about the guy. In their eyes, it'd sparkle. Hey. I was just trying I was just thinking what what may have happened to to Steve Brooks.

Oh, I've checked he defacebooked me. Did he really? Yeah. Yeah. I sent him an email after he was on the show. I haven't heard from him yet. Steve, how you doing? Oh, I was hoping he'd come back on the show. Sale? We I I was thinking about maybe we could use him as our our in in house apologetics, man. You know, the sad thing is he was a very likable guy. Yay. What? He just felt sorry for him being deceived. That was all. Yep. That was all. I mean, he he you could he earnestly, in all of his heart, had searched that out and and studied. Didn't it it looked it's not like he was doing more than just listening to the guy, Harold. He was studying it, and he and he came to the same conclusion, so obviously had the influence. Right. But he just feels feel bad that he he was so far off. It's like, well, what's next? You know? Now what? What do you do when you get that messed up? Well, you know what? I had a guy I was talking to today, and he asked me a question.

And I I used to hate answering this question. Right? But he asked me, what did God he go, why do why do you believe in God? Why? You know? And and, because I don't know. We were talking about we were talking about Jesus again. And, you know, he's been, whatever, handed him, having some more having some more issues, and and he he he's basically in a situation where he wants to fix his old life and not get a new one. He just wants Jesus to fix it. He wants to feel better about him. I'm gonna keep doing what I'm doing, fix up my past stuff so I can start over. Yeah. Well, yeah. He's he's just he just wants to clean some stuff up. You know? He feels like he he he's like, I just wanna feel different. And I feel I I said, well, you you wanna feel different? You wanna feel different? You know? I I said, here's the thing that God does is,

God doesn't fix your old life. He gives you a a different one. Like, so you can't go into it thinking, you know, I'm waiting for God to help me fix this thing. That's not exactly how he works. You know? God looks at what you have and says, this is all garbage. You know why? Because all these decisions you've made up to this point are junk. I can't use but barely any of them. I could vomit. You are lukewarm to me. I can't use you. And so and he basically does that. And and he he he takes exactly what you have, and he says, okay. At least we know what not to do. Here's what I'm I'm gonna do. I'm gonna start over, but you have to be willing to let me do it. Otherwise, you're gonna end up exactly where you were. And so we talked about that a little bit. He goes, I don't I I don't understand. He goes, why do you believe what made you believe in god? What made you do it? That's an honest question. And I said, okay. I said, that's a fair question. And I said, I said, he did. My And, of course, once

again and this happened last time that I've talked to somebody about Christ. I'm like, this sounds totally creepy. You know? I just I know it sounds creepy, but I but I'm like, the truth is the truth, man. You know? So we just kept talking about it, and then and he said, what made you believe in God? And I said I said, he did. I said, grew up in a church. I said, I didn't know Jesus. I thought I did, and I didn't. And and, you know, it just came along to to to a path where, you know, I'd ask god to I I'd pray about something, and I'd ask god to to, to help me with something, and he never would. But he would always change the way I was looking at something. And, and and I ignored it for a long time figuring, well, you know, I got a good perspective on things until I realized that it wasn't me, you know, that it was god doing that, that that when I it always correlated to when I turned something over to him that my perspective changed. The situation didn't change, but my perspective always changed.

And and and and I told him that it's come along recently where I've where I've asked for a couple things, and god has I said, god answered me by telling me to do something. He goes, well, how did he do that? And I said, I thought of something. And he goes, well, I think of things all the time. I said, I thought of something that isn't in my own best interest as far as I am concerned. Why would I think of an idea that is not my own best interest? Your nature. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it actually had it had to do a little bit with ministry. You know? I had, like I I had an idea, and I wanted to do something. And, and, usually, I'm the behind the scenes man. You know? Like, I like to set stages up or help with the speakers or, you know, facilitate a process or administration. You know, whatever. You know, I'm a process man. I like to be involved in the back end stuff. And, like, the idea came up with

came accompanied with, by the way, you're gonna be the one out there talking to the people, you know, and meeting people. I'm like, why? I hate that. I don't want anything to do with that. You know? And, and I thought, it's god. That's not me because I would never think of an idea of something I hate to go do and think that's what you're gonna do. You know? And I thought, this is a perfect example of of of of you know, I can say people always say, you know, god speaks to me, and people are always like, how? What you know, was he writing a rock or something? You know? Mhmm. And I've I've kinda nailed it down on the way that the Lord tends to communicate with me, and he either does one or two things. He tends to either shift my entire perspective so I'm seeing it from somewhere else, or I think of things that I have no business thinking of. I think of things that I just

wouldn't that pertain directly to me that, as far as I am concerned, are not in my own best interest or I would not enjoy doing. Why would I come up with these ideas? And if you if you put that up against the fact check of, will this idea glorify god? And if the answer is yes, I can pretty much say, this is god's idea, not mine. Like, I have no business. This does nothing for me. It does everything for Jesus. And as far as I can see right now, I'm gonna hate doing it. This sounds like a good idea to me. This sounds like a perfect place for me to grow and do something. And so I and that that so that's how I explained to him. Here's what he says. Wow. Wow. He's blown away, I guess. He's blown away by Jesus. So, anyway, that's that's how I tend to explain it to him. I don't know if it's dead on or not. How does god converse with you, Ben? I don't know. I I I guess I would say it's it's probably mostly the I would say it's mostly the the same way. I mean,

things things that that ultimately glorify him that I'm like, oh, man. I don't I don't know about that. I don't I mean, that yeah. I think it's probably same deal. It's hard to pinpoint a moment for for me. I mean, sometimes it's a gut thing. It's just like, I just have this strong thought that that I need to do whatever. And I'm like and I guess after a while you you kind of like when you when you have a conversation with you, with someone you know really well, or your wife, or somebody, you you kinda know by their tone of voice what the mood is or, you know, if this is serious or whatever. And I think it kinda gets that way in in your your faith that it's so vague. I can't even describe it. It's it's a Well, see, it's the problem. Like, if there's a new if there's somebody who's seeking Christ and they wanna know, you gotta tell them something. Yeah. You can't It's in your belly. You're like, well, the spirit the holy spirit overtakes me. You what? What does that feel like? He uses my buddy to do the mongbang. You know? And I I listened to a

couple Christian radio stations this week, and I was just I was floored by how much I had no idea what they were talking about. And I've been in the faith for years. You know? I haven't probably been truly seeking God for maybe three. You know? But I've been in the faith a long time. I get the lingo. You know what I'm saying? I understand most of what's going on. I have probably haven't, like I said, been truly seeking a relationship with Christ for maybe three years. But, like, I get the gist of most things. And I listen to these I listen to these sermons these guys preach, and they are just full of so much. I I like, I just I can't even follow it. You know? They're like the I I I I I'd love to give you an example, but I can't. Like, they're just like, you know, the holy spirit with the redemptive blood seeking powers, you know, brings on the exhaustive of the holy ghost. And then Jesus Christ's son who died for our sins, resurrected savior of god, father above, and I'm like,

what what did he do? What did he do? What happened here? Jesus died. I'm with you so far. Tell me. Explain it. And and then, like, if I say if I replay it in my head, I'm like, okay. I see what he's getting at. But I I always try to think if I'm if I'm outside the faith and I don't know Jesus, do I have any idea what you're talking about? Yeah. Like like, do I see God's grace in your You know? And I I think you you tend to get there's some guys, pastors especially, that are prone to, like, a certain thing. Like, it's a thing that they say. It's the redemptive bloodfist of Jesus. And then, like and then every time they have something to say, it's like, it all comes back to that redemptive bloodfist. So there's you know, so, like and you have no idea what that is, and it's not from the Bible. It it has bible words in it. Yeah. Exactly. But it's you know? And and if they explain it, yeah, you know, it's probably right. I mean, it's probably consistent with god, but they've came up come up with their own words to talk about it. And and and then you feel like a fool. You feel like, well, man, I I I I'm trying to follow Christ, and I'm trying to do what I'm supposed to do, but I just I'm having trouble with this redemptive bloodfist, and

Yep. I really know what I'm gonna do. Messy. Yeah. So far, I don't have the bloodfist. I'm not filled with this ghost. I I Wait. I don't know what I'm doing here. Doing weird stuff, like you're stretching your fist together. You're practicing. You're looking at yourself in the mirror going redemptive, bloodfist. Yeah. You could just see him pray. Be the fist. You know, like, you're You got you gotta pray and establish a personal relationship with Jesus. Okay. Abba father, bloodfist, ghost. Please help me with your ways. Exactly. You know what I mean? I just have no idea what to do with these things. Cheryl and were talking about that over supper tonight. We're like, we say all of these little cliches and and and just give it to Jesus. I I you know, I I want my my marriage is in turmoil right now, or my my we're really gonna lose our house, or, you know, whatever it is. Yeah. Big thing. And and and I've said it, you know. We just need to give that to Jesus. Well, if you could tell me how to do that, that'd be great. You just say, okay, Jesus. Here you go. Right. Yeah. You know? Take it. Yeah. I'm not really sure who you are, but I'm gonna hand this thing off to somebody. Take it to the cross. So what what where can I send my mortgage to? What's what's your address? What's your name, Holy Fist?

Let Jesus lift your burden. Yeah. And there are very true things. But how do you tell someone who either is not quite a believer yet, like the person you've been talking to or or someone who's a new believer or even someone who's been down around a while? It's like, I don't know how. I don't know. Well, I think do it. I think it's very hard not to, fall into that trap. Right? Like, it's very hard not to, you know, start regurgitating words that you've heard. And and then you say it, and you're like, boy, it doesn't make a a darn lick of sense to a fat legged dog. Like, I mean, I just have no idea what that even means. You know, it's like, let the holy spirit envelop you. Like, I don't have a solid working understanding

a cognitive working understanding of of of the holy spirit. I know what it is. Mhmm. You know, I know I know the holy spirit came after Jesus left, and I know it was to help spread, Jesus' ministry. You know? But apart from that, if people ask me any more questions than that Yeah. I can't tell you. The holy god of the universe that created everything is inside you, but he's never, said, hey, Dan. I mean, you know Yeah. You know, I always used to Check out what I do. Watch this. Yeah. You know, I always used to envision this is funny. When I was a kid, when I was eight or nine, they're always like, Jesus lives within your heart, and he helps clean it up of the bad stuff in there. So all I do is see Jesus in a white painter's cap, white overalls, and one of those Rocky and Bullwinkle brooms. You know? Yeah. And so and so I I all I do is see Jesus get my heart cleaned up and goes, and then kinda sits back and smiles, and then all of a sudden, half my heart turns dark again. He's like,

okay. And then they're like, you're hiding things, aren't you? You gotta open that door to Jesus. Yeah. Okay. You know how to do it. Come in. I got a lot of chest hair now. I'm getting older. You know, go wherever you gotta go, Jesus. It's all yours, man. And so, yeah, you find yourself saying things like, because I'm all yours. It's all yours, dear Jesus. I give it to you. Here's my anxiety, you know you know, lot of pressure at work, blah blah blah. We'll cast all your cares on me, you know, Jesus said. Okay. It's yours. But it's not like you instantly wake up, get up, and go, hey. You know? I do feel right as rain. Yes. That blood fist really works. Thank you, Holy Ghost. I got nothing on my hands. Actually, it's weird that I I was I was thinking about this very thing this week, and you by something you said in this

at church. And don't take this wrong way, but, like, you you say it almost every weekend. It's totally biblical, but it's to say give us ears to hear. Mhmm. Right. But I thought if there's a guy that's never been to church before and you hear ears to hear, you're like, woah. What else are ears to do? Did the did the all knowing god not make mine right? He takes ears unless unless you pray to him, and then he gives ears back. Any believer ears. You know, something that I was thinking about, earlier this week too that that, I don't know. I find I find it really difficult as a guy who is fairly

carefree most of the time to to leave room for God in there. You know what I'm saying? Like like, if I say, you know, like let's say something big comes up and, like, you know, even something small, I guess. But you know what saying? I gotta turn this over to God. This is I can't make a good decision here. I know that. You know? But I'm not fired up about it. I'm not in the straights. I don't feel terrible. I'm not really burdened. I'm just like, I know I'm not thinking about this right. So I'm a turn this thing over to god. But I'm a I'm a fairly you know, I'm much better at dealing with the situation than creating a situation.

So when things land on my lap, I'm much better at saying, okay. You know, we'll we'll figure out what we're gonna do here opposed to we need to make a decision here. What's the move? Going left or right? Right. You have no choice. You can do one of them. Right. I'm good at we turned left. We look like we're screwed. Alright. We'll see what we can do here instead of sitting at the crossroads going, I don't know. I don't I don't usually make these decisions. I just kinda wait and see till something happens, and then I correct or not correct. Mhmm. And so I find it hard to hand decisions over to god when I'm not, I don't know, like, seeking an answer with any type of, you know, bam bam, give it to me. I need it. You know? I'm like, I'm dying with anxiety. I don't have a lot of anxiety. Maybe that's it. Like, I don't I'm I'm not full of anxiety waiting for things to happen. Your per personality is kinda like, whatever, you know. Right. And so and so I've been kinda I've been going back and forth with with with God about it this week, you know, just trying to, I don't know, talk through it, trying to figure out, like, how how do I take the way that he's made me

and and still leave room for for God's sovereignty in there? You know what I'm saying? Because, like, I can sit back and wait, and I can interpret a lot of things as a sign from Jesus that I that I should do this thing. You know what I'm saying? Mhmm. Or I could just be making it up. I don't know. You're you're kind of a Peter who who just jumped in and did stuff. And every once in while, Jesus is like, alright. You know? Yeah. Slow down. Right. Right. Thanks thanks, Pete. Peter. Holy blood fist will take it from here. You're you're sinking in the water here while while get back in the boat. Right. Right. Everyone else just took the boat in. You had no reason to jump out. Okay. I'm like, I came to see you. I'm not I'm not leaving before you get here. Oh, Holy Bloodfist. I didn't knew we're gonna be on the beach today.

I love that story. So, anyway, I I don't know. Like like because usually, you know, people who are, I don't know, super super heavy, you know, have an easier time handing things like, I can't take this burden anymore, Jesus. Please take this away from me. And I'm more like, know I I can't make a good decision here. I'm just gonna, you know, I'm just gonna hand it over to you, and we'll see what happens. I'm just not gonna worry about it. But that's the thing is I don't think I look for it. I don't think I look for Jesus. I don't look look for God to speak back to me. You know, in those situations, I'm just like, that God will take care of it, and I'll just forget about it. Even if it's huge. Even if it's a huge decision. Yeah. You know? Like, should I buy this house? And then I'm like, well, we'll turn it over to God and see what happens. And then six months will pass. We don't have a house. Because I'm like, I don't know. I I I assume if we we're gonna have one, God had taken care of this Yeah. So whatever. I'll just hang about. You know? And so I I don't know. It seems like an it's an odd place to be in. You know? I'm not anxiety ridden, but I'm not I I don't pursue answers when I've asked a question either. And so I don't know. I think that's that's something something to maybe try to recognize is that God has has made you who he's made you, but recognize where where your your capability for sin is. You're like like a snobbish philosopher. Jesus, shall I buy the house? And he just, like, walk away and think about the question.

We'll just see how this ends. Sprinkle some dust. Alright. See you. Wait. Wait. Wait. I delight in the question. I don't, though. That's the thing. I just don't I'm not good at carrying burdens. You know, like, I don't carry a burden very far before I'm like, this sucks. Okay. You know, I'm either gonna hand this over to God or I shouldn't have picked it up. I'll tell you that. It's one of those two things. So, anyway, there is a life in the path.

It's a it's a wily night on the chat tonight, boys. What do mean? Are they causing roasts? They're booking firehouse visits. And then Luftwaffe is not gonna he's supposed to be at the studio, but I don't see him. Who? Spanging Luster. Oh, he didn't agree to come in. Oh. Oh, I see. He's at home sitting on his bum. Yeah. What he did here's what I did. And so I I text him on yesterday, Sunday, and I said, hey. You know, are you planning on stopping by the show? No response. No response. No response. Gets back to me sometime this afternoon and says, look. I I I can't really make it to the show tomorrow night unless you, like, really need me. And that was it. I'm like, I'm not the self esteem pawn. I say nothing. You know, I can get some kind of ego massage from me. Oh, please. If you can stop by, we will drown without you. You know? I was like, well, you've made your decision then. I'll see if I see you. He's at home on the chat. Eggledagger.

He does this kind of thing. Alright. Well, you listen to live from the path. We are broadcasting every Monday night, sometimes from ten to midnight, often from ten to eleven. And you can sign up for the podcast if you haven't signed up for the podcast. So you can take this deliciousness home with you and listen to it any time of and over. The YouTube's gonna fly with this with this, holy blood fist. I think so. People are gonna love it. Hell, yeah. Honest Jesus. We're not getting sidetracked by all those talented people. Now we're back to regular old stuff. Yeah. So, hey, that reminds me. Next week, Cinder Bafire will be back in the studio. They got a lot of cool stuff going on. They have they have a new EP out. Called holy blood fist.

It's, it's available at holybloodfist.com. If you also if you go to their Facebook page, you might be able to score a legitimate copy. I think it's only $3.99. I think you can pick up the download or, or something for $3.99. I'd have bought if it was $4, Eva. $3.99? Here's what they do. Somebody game on you. Somebody gives you a $25 gift card for iTunes for Christmas or something, you're like, yes. $25. Except for everything cost 99¢. So you buy 24 things, and then you only have 83¢ left, and you can't afford one more song. That's how Steve Jobs suckers you. That is. It's exactly how it is. Once you're willing to link your bank account and put another 17¢ in there, you're willing to put another $17 in there. That's fine. It is. He's gotcha.

Then it gets interest. What time is it? It is eleven. Why is torque? You could have made it, Troy. You could have been in here. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. Alright. Anyway hey. So so here's the question. So here's a dig on this dig on the following. If the if the magma if the mathematics of marriage is two becoming one, how do you factor in couples that have decided that some temporary division improve the odds of their relationship's longevity? A recent slate piece highlighted one of the findings from Iris Krasno's recent book, the secret lives of women. Women share what it really takes to stay married.

Strategic absences can make spouses' hearts grow fonder. Has now discovered that spending the month of July apart from her husband of twenty three years so each could pursue their own interest, strengthen their relationship. This was not a hall pass style break, but rather an intentional choice by both partners to devote time and resources to personal growth. Krasnow currently uses her July marriage sabbatical for riding time on one coast while her husband focuses on building his furniture business on the other. Krasnow notes that when August rolls around, the two are hot to see each other high on our personal accomplishments and purged of the inevitable inevitable resentments that arise in the grind of the ordinary that long marriage becomes. Krasnow interviewed more than 200 women who've been married fifteen years or more. Wives who were married to spouses who were gone for extended period of time, such as fishermen and truckers, reported that separations hone their communication skills, mature their sense of self, and encourage them to develop their own toolkit of practical skills. A broken toilet in a busy household can't wait for a husband away on a business trip. Thoughts. I think it's stupid. That was my initial thought. The whole thing is this stupid.

However, it it sounds like they're not just like, hey, hey, you get that apartment on the other side of town and we'll just not see each other and do our normal life. They're doing something completely out of the ordinary as well. They're truly taking a sabbatical in life. It just happens to include their spouse. Yearly is pretty extreme. Maybe every five years, take a take a month and and go do something to renew yourself. Yeah. I could see that. But how many people working a job? I'm just gonna take the month of July off, and I'll I'll I'll I'll probably see you in August. I mean Cooley works on their furniture business one month out of the year. Yeah. I said, take it off. I can't understand it. I can't get any momentum going.

I had the doors open all month. And I moved and she goes, on one coast, and the wife is on the other. So it makes it sound like they're in a central location, and then they hit the coasts. It's like, well, I wanna rent a property one month out of the year to do my furniture business, and then I'll move. And, with the riding thing, I kinda get that. A lot of times, the riders will do that. They'll go somewhere off in a different way. Creepy people anyway. See, they're making pretty good money usually if they're if they can afford to Yeah. Exactly. Go somewhere Yeah. And, you know, they're what do they stand in a motel for a month or something? Could be costly. So I I don't that's pretty tough for the average couple to to do something like that. It's just like everything else. Right? Like, everything sounds great until you try to put it into practical practice. Like, there's no way there's no chance that my wife and I would take a one month like, we have kids. Who's gonna watch these kids for a month? You know? Yeah. Don't want us be saddled with the kids for a whole month by themselves. You know? If I wanted to be a single parent, that's a disaster. You know? I don't wanna be a single parent. She don't wanna be a single parent. You know? And so I I I don't know. Did better for the the couple to go off together for a week Yeah. And leave the kids behind. Yeah. I've only done that once. I don't think that sounds too bad. Think that sounds great. It doesn't matter. I mean, like, I I think I would agree. Taking personal time for yourself, I think, makes a ton of sense. And I I mean, a month seems a little bit much. That's a lot. I think a week would be alright. I'd go crazy. Yeah. I think a week's more although, I mean, there is some truth to this. You know? Like, I started I when I changed jobs, I started having to go out of town, and I've I've never had to go out of town before ever. Like, I never go out of town. How are you on going out of town? Yeah, Mike. Have you ever been out of town?

So I've never been I don't usually go out of town, and I'm going out of town now. So I was thinking when I was going out of town I think you're making a point here. Anyway, so about going out of town. I see. I was gonna reiterate it right there, but now I can't do it. That's my fault. So why do I hate it? Because I've never had to do it. And and when I was gone, like, I I almost quit my job because I didn't wanna leave town. Like, I I didn't wanna go and be gone. I've never had to be gone. And it was okay. You know? It it it survived and and not a big deal, but,

like, I just when I got home, I couldn't I couldn't have loved my wife and kids any more than when I pulled into the driveway. Like, I could not have missed them any more than I had. And I hadn't had that feeling, you know, apart from the day to day grind in a long time. And so, I mean, there is some truth to that. And I don't know. Maybe god does that on purpose. I don't know. Well, it could be. Maybe he does it on purpose for me in this situation. I'm not saying, you know, if you're a traveling salesman, then god's in your life, and you're doing the right thing. I don't know. You know what? But, you know, I I could wholeheartedly believe that, you know, he's done this just to help me strengthen my family, you know, because I do take them for granted on occasion. Yeah. And being out of town every once in while is enough for me to go, you know, to to see what I would actually do by myself. You know, when you when you when you got, you know, a lady and some kids and and you're like, man, I've always gotta fix the toilet and always gotta I'm supposed to be cleaning stuff up and helping with the kids, doing baths, and whatever. You know? I need some time to myself. And then, you know, you get some time to your yourself, and you're like, I wasted it. I didn't do anything. Right. Yeah. I'm so stupid. I don't accomplish anything by myself. No. No. I don't do anything. I have to, like, if I'm gonna do, like, have alone time to do something, like, have to leave. I can't I can't stay home. I have to go somewhere of which I have no choice but to do the thing that otherwise my time would be taken up doing. Yep. I can't sit at home. So it this seems to ruin us, but but, like, I agree with this part, but I don't know that the conclusion, comes from the comes from the actual study. She said she found that the happiest wives have a sense of purpose and passion and work and causes outside of the home. Wives who countered on a spouse for fulfillment and sustenance were often angry and lonely.

I think I think you can probably agree with that that wives are happy, that have a sense of purpose and passion and work and causes outside of the home, but I don't think you need a monthly a month long annual sabbatical to have a for a wife to have a sense of purpose and passion and work and causes outside the home. Like, that that's saying that that that someone can only have that sense of purse purpose and passion if they spend time away from their husband completely as opposed to while they are in the house, raising helping to raise kids and and in the relationship with husband. If Cheryl spent a month away from me, she'd realize how easy it would be to live without me. I'm really kind of a a And the food savings. I know. There there there's not many there's a lot of upsides to maybe not around. Doesn't lay a stuff on the counter. This place is a mess. No more dirty wall laundry.

Yeah. Dishes laying around, underwear on the floor. Gross, Dan. They make a hand. Not mine. I just. Hey, Dan. Whoo.

Wait. So here here was the okay. So remember this part of the the the article. It said Krasno interviewed more than 200 women. Oh, here's my conclusion. I'm and then I'll I'll read this again and affirm why I think this. I think it more has everything to do with your attitude towards your marriage, not not necessarily your time away from your spouse. And here's what I think so. Says Krasno interviewed more than 200 women who'd been married fifteen years or more. Wives who were married to spouses who were gone for extended periods of time, such as fishermen and truckers, reported that the separation to hone their communication skill skills matured their sense of self and encouraged them to develop their own toolkit of practical skills. Here's the deal. Those ladies didn't know any different. Right? Yeah. Their husbands were gone. They were gonna be they're fishermen and truckers. They know they're gonna be Not just a month. Yeah. And so and so but they have they have a positive attitude. They have a good attitude about their marriage, and they look forward to seeing their husbands. And so what they say is, well, it's going well,

and and our marriage is succeeding. So it must have honed our communication skilled, matured our sense of self, and encouraged us to develop our own toolkit of practical skills. Because if their husband they they don't have the opposite experience. They don't have the experience where their husband wasn't a trucker or a fisherman to know whether their their communication skills would have been better had they been home all the time. So what they did is they took a situation which wasn't ideal with their spouses being gone all the time, and they saw and they and they used it positively in their lives, and they have a strong marriage because of that, not because necessarily because the guys were gone. Mhmm. I don't think it's the I I think it's their their Right. You're saying that the same people would have just as strong of a marriage if their husband was there all the time because it's their devotion it's it's their attitude towards the marriage in general. Yeah. Like, it doesn't matter what situation your marriage dropped in. If you have the right attitude, your marriage rocks it. Your your your survival skills of of adapting to your situation. Well, I mean, it it's also what what people tend to do is they take their situation,

and then whatever it is that's that's in their situation, they explain it as being as having benefited them. Like, it's it's the bright side of things. Right? Well, you know, since he's gone all the time, it's you know, we've really honed our communication skills, and it's better when he's home. You know? Our relationship has improved because he's gone. It's a way to put a positive spin on something that otherwise stinks. And so I don't I don't know that it's him being gone that's actually making your communication skills better. It's because you have a a good attitude in your marriage. You're trying to be a loving loving spouse, and you're taking something that otherwise stinks and putting a shine on it and and and having to work all that much harder because that person's gone, and that ends up being a positive benefit to your marriage. That would be my guess. I guess I would agree. I don't say like, hey, man. We're on the rock. Maybe you should be a trucker. Mhmm. Things will straighten out. Yeah. You need to go. Like, this is this will be the perfect thing for your marriage. Incorrect. Alright. I I don't know. I don't Ladies, what do you think? Was that a I didn't I didn't quite catch what the ladies were saying. Agree, disagree. Kick the husband out for a month? It'd be better for him, better for you?

I think they're said something about making a new key for their house. I don't know who said that. Oh oh, the oh oh, the old key. The Kay's merchandise Building. Do you remember that over on Hickman? I love that place. I thought that was an all players. Oh, wasn't that like a go kart? I think it's still open. And a woman says you put a church in there. Oh, yeah. That'd be great. Is that big much building? Is it big money? Oh, it had to be. I bet it's oh. Yeah. Olsen's gonna score for pennies on the dollar. Hasn't said that. I'm just I'm being positive because me and Olsen haven't talked for a while. Dream on. Yeah. Are you trying to get in a lot of those buildings? They laugh at you when you call them and they're like, yeah. Why? Why? How do they know? What how what are you saying on the phone? I'm just a poor missionary church.

I mean, I got an extra nothing, but we really think god's gonna buy this thing right out. Can you let us in take a gainer? Or maybe it's I laughing. Is Dan Hudson from Holy Blood Fist First Methodist? Olsen says 2,000,000. 2,000,000 plus. Oh, man. It's stiff. Man, how does Olsen know the price of all this stuff? He's pretty sharp. That's his job. That's not bad for that building. That's a big building. Yeah. Well, he said 2,000,000 plus. I think he was leaving room. Alright, Olsen. Buy That's no there's no building there. I mean, that's just the shell. Well, yeah. What else do you need? All we need is the word of Jesus and people to put in it. Where are gonna put the kids, though? Someone's gotta corral the children. We got a we got that little Curtain thing? Curtain thing, and we can we got some we got a curtain here. Man, you have a low priority of the kids. I love children. A curtain thing. Little little It worked for Jesus. Hey, man. Here's Holy of holies. I was separated by a curtain.

A big thick heavy curtain. Kid, I kid stolen Egyptian threads. Kids were not you're trying to those things are, like, 6,000 kids out. 6,000 count curtains from the Egyptian, phylacteries, and you you're you're using, like, see through curtains you bought at the Walmart for $15. I cannot help but Shelly Carson buys. We said Egyptian. Look. They go on a pipe. Like the holy of holies, but for kids. That's what we're talking about.

Put the kids behind the holies. The holy of holies. It's just so close. I tried to keep the kids in with a cinder block, and no one was having it. It was a cheap solution. They're trying to buy a $100 worth of Crapola because some gate keeps falling down. I said, get two cinder blocks. Set them on either side of the thing, the gate won't fall over. And then it'd be you should see that incredulous looks at me. What? We're sieving nursery. We're sieving money. Little children. Our babies. Well, is it on their side or the opposite side? It's on the opposite side. Well, I don't see the problem. That's what I'm saying. People probably just don't wanna haul cinder all the way. $2 and block and keep the thing from falling down. They come up with this rigging and, like, eight other thing cribs and stuff to put in front of it. What? You could tell. Yeah. I could see it. I could see the ladies in the room looking at He's like, that man is disgusting. Who invited You shouldn't raise children.

His kids are deprived. Take away his dad card. So here's the thing. People have been writing us constant I mean, pretty consistently for every every week wanting and wanting our advice. Getting embarrassing. Yeah. And I can't keep the I can't keep the mail out of my box. So what I'm gonna do is I'm we're gonna unload a couple tonight, see if we can get some question answered, get some advice passed on, and see if we can get people on the right path to Jesus. Dear, life from the path. My husband and I were on vacation together.

Out of state Did you say together? No. I assume. Okay. We're on vacation out of state with our four young children, staying in a large resort that offered a free buffet breakfast. Oh, yeah. While my husband tended to the children's beverages and eating utensils, I stood in line to make waffles for everybody. There were three waffle irons available. As I made four waffles for the six of us, as others were doing for their families, a woman began berating me and another man for monopolizing the waffle irons. She said we should only make one waffle at a time and then get back in the line. She went on to insult our kids by saying that by feeding our kids whole waffles for breakfast, we're responsible for the epidemic of childhood obesity in this country. Was I being rude? Is there a rule of etiquette regarding waffle making in a buffet? We like to sit down as a family and enjoy our meal together. I think both parties were rude.

It drives me crazy. I know I can identify with the woman who got a little irate, a little angry because you know what? If you're in a motel, what Christmas on the age of the children? Does she say? Are they really young? They're young. They're young. I'm used to older kids now. Now we just say, if you want a waffle, there it is. You're on your own. But if they're younger, you You don't want them burning their fingers and that kind of stuff. And burning the food and and spilling the batter all over the place, you know. So whatever the appropriate age is that they can start doing it. What are you even talking about, Dan? Have you ever been to a motel where you get to make your own waffles? We have a I mean, what you're totally off the what is it from the kids? From this lady making waffles for kids, an adult who knows how to make waffles is is making a clean waffle. It's all the same.

You got you got 10 orphan aunties over there throwing waffle batter at each other. This, you What hotel do you stay at? You don't spend the extra $20 and stay at the Holiday Inn for every six. Some of those have waffle makers. Alright. They have new ones now. It's your fault that obesity in this world. Are you kidding me? I don't know what kind what kind of dude you think you are, man of the world. But why don't you get up at 5AM and get some waffles where the kids ain't up yet or whatever. They're children. They are little kids, and somebody has to take care of them. And it's obviously not gonna be you. Yeah. If they're global, I mean, they it has to be that way. You can't. Well, I mean, they paid for a room. I mean, those people are staying there just like you're staying here. You don't have a greater right to the waffle iron. I can't mean to give your kids a full waffle.

Shout out. Yeah. That's just that's just silly. You know what? Half a box of total if you're so worried about it. Go ahead. Some reason, Brian. It says says the four hundred pound guy waiting in line for the waffles. You can't believe you eat a whole waffle. Excuse me. Are you the waffle maker? I'm I'm ready to make my waffle. On the side of, I don't know. If you have, like, eight kids, maybe you might wanna consider a different tact. But, four kids, everybody gets a waffle. Those waffles take about a minute to make. Everyone it's a buffet, so everyone eats something a little different. You really gotta have your waffle right now, Johnny Businessman. You know, start with the bagel this time. You know, I

it seems a bit much. No. Yeah. That guy's outrageous. Okay. Here's the thanks, fellas. You really didn't add anything to the conversation. Why? Ted drifted off to some kind of fairy land where kids were throwing food, and you didn't even say anything. I get the why don't we just change the column to dear Mike? There's nothing else to say. The guy's ridiculous. That's the way to convict him. Okay. Go ahead. Secular opinion. As far as I know, you broke no rule of etiquette. What you encountered was a hungry woman who's taking her impatience out on you. She's lucky you didn't hand her an egg and tell her to go suck on it. What has happened to our secular advice? It's usually pretty pretty decent. I think I think secular was in a bad mood as well. Was that the was that the real was that the offensive thing to say back in the day? Go suck on an egg.

I suppose so. I won't. Don't tell me to suck on an egg. You sit on it. I won't sit on it. I would have a waffle while you sit on the egg. Got you. Alright. Dear life from the path. Two weeks ago or two weeks before our youngest child's wedding, my husband of more than forty years suddenly became obsessed with worry that I was unfaithful. It was unfounded and nearly ruined the wedding for both of us. This continued for two weeks after the wedding until he finally vowed to let it go.

My husband is now bending over backwards to make it up to me. He is as thoughtful and passionate as if we were on our honeymoon again. While I'm enjoying the attention, I can't help but wonder if he is the guilty one. What do you think? That was the first thing that came to my mind. He was unfaithful. You think so? I don't know. What? There's not near enough information. That's true. I mean, this is the So I have a few hickeys. What's the deal? This is I can't believe she's even validating this by answering it. You know I'm saying? Like, this is the biggest chunk of hearsay ever. He thought maybe I was cheating. What do you think? Oh, by everything you've laid out, I believe he is cheating. Like, think of our poor youngest son. He was trying to get married. I don't know that that that but that this is true most time, is it? Like, when I come home and and the wife says, somebody left a soda out on the counter half drunken. And I'm like, it was had to been you. Do do your accusatory style

against me, but I know full well it's me that The old the old smelted delta principle. Yeah. Yeah. But but, you know, a soda, that that's a kind of an insignificant thing. Being Not to my wife, Nate. Well I leave a lot of soda. I'll bet you she would even say that being unfaithful to marriage is probably a bigger deal than a soda on the counter. And so if a guy is is steeped in guilt, he'll probably react overreact trying to look innocent and and then all of sudden, like, be passionate guy. Yeah. But are are people aware that they act like that? I don't think so. I think they're just trying to cover themselves. That's just like the drunk driver who's driving, like, really slow because they're being cautious. They're uh-huh. I've gotta Gotcha. Dude, you're going 25. You know? It's the freeway. Exactly. Step on it. I got waffles to get to for them kids to get in there. Exactly. My waffles are getting cool.

Okay. You wanna hear a secular response? Yeah. What's good, Ben? Thanks for your input. I what? I I said the guy everybody's outrageous. I said it wasn't worth submitting. Should be ridiculous. Next question, please. I do not like him. Okay. He needs to give it to Jesus. He's obviously didn't act how Ben Foust would have acted, so he is in the wrong. Dear, secular advice. What I think isn't nearly as important as what you think. If you think he has been unfaithful, you may be right. The question now is, what do you intend to do about it? If you no longer trust your husband, then marriage counseling would be appropriate.

Billy Joel could answer this song better than that. It wasn't great. Maybe right. I may be crazy. Turn out the lights. This got better than expected.

You couldn't ask for anything more. Mean, are there are there any symptoms? I mean, what Dan's heard that one. Yeah. Hey. No kidding, Dan. I I mean, I I wanna know why what was he telling her? I'm I'm sure you're unfaithful, and this is why. Okay. Okay. So this is really suspicious. Right? Like, your husband after forty years comes in and goes Hey. I think you've been unfaithful to me.

What? And, Costa, why I would be indignant and upset, like, are you kidding me? Why? What? What is this about? Yeah. Are you pulling my leg? No. You've been on Facebook. He's a what do you call it? Projecting? That's what I'm trying to say, but that's not the word. Yeah. It is. Is it? I was talking myself out of it. Yeah. Yeah. I know. That's right. Thanks, Ben. Reflect no. No. Yeah. One of those big words. I don't know the big words. Never mind. Next. Another effective commentary by Ken Hudson. And so many more.

I'll you my I'll give you my 2¢ worth if you got some change. Dear life from the path. My wife and only child three years ago I'm sorry. I should've torn this down. I lost my wife and only child three years ago in a car accident. Ouch. I felt my life ended that day, but I've managed to put the pieces back together thanks to the support of my family and friends. Now I'm at the point where I think I'm strong enough to start dating again. Hold on a minute, Mike. Did you accuse your wife of cheating this very week? Did I? That's what she said. I I had a dream that the woman had had was unfaithful to me. Like, you ever had those dreams where they're totally unfounded, you wake up in the middle of the night and you are so mad at your spouse?

I've done that. I I I I gave Will a dirty look to she She was facing the other way. I looked at the back of her head and was, man. Like, how dare you, woman? And then I'm like, it was just a dream. I've done this before, actually. Think five or six years ago, I had the same I had some kind of fight in our dream, and I was right. And I knew I was right. Yeah. And I woke up, and I was so mad at her. I even couldn't talk to her for, like, a day. Like, I was like, you're just being ridiculous until I finally realized that it was not it was a dream, and it never really happened. And then I was and then I had to apologize because I was a jerk for, like, a day. It was a disaster. I once I once thought my wife had opened up my peanut butter from work and took a finger swipe of it and took a big old chunk out of there and then put the lid back on as if as if, you know, that she hadn't been in there. And it's true. It happened. It really happened. And I couldn't decide whether someone at the store had tried to poison me. You know how they warn you not to drink milk without the thing on it? But really, my wife had just taken peanut butter from me. That's all. Continue with your story. Thanks, Ben. I lost my wife and only child three years ago on a car.

Are we at? I'm at the point to start dating again. Okay. When do I tell my date what happened? I don't want to scare her away with my story. It's a big part of who I am, but it's not all I am. First dates are about getting to know someone, and it's hard not to share this. But I'm uncomfortable sharing right away. Do you have any advice? Near life in the path, what should I do? Tell them. Her. I'm I'm a little tentative about it. I don't want them to feel sorry for me. I don't know. I don't I part of your story. Well, how old of a guy is this anyway? I suppose it's gonna come up. Right? I mean, I I don't wanna know right away if I'm with someone who's like, what's your history? I mean, you've been with someone. You're old enough. You've probably been with somebody. You know? Do you have any kids? Do have any relationships out there? Right. Like, especially if this gentleman is, like, 31, 32. You know? Someone who,

you know, goes out on a date with him is gonna be a little cautious on why they don't have any relationship at all when they're get to be just a little bit older. You know, they're gonna be like, you you seriously you've never been married or kids or anything? You know? Yeah. And then you start to think, why is no one wanna marry this man? You know? I think I'd probably explain it just so I don't seem like a creeper. Yeah. As long as you don't spend a bunch of time on it. I mean Yeah. Yeah. You don't open up and say, oh, you know, I'm Larry. You know? Anyway, my wife and only son died, three years ago. She had your eyes. Yeah. Are we doing this Dutch treat or what? You know? Just kinda wondering. Credit card or debit? You know I'm saying? That that that'd be pretty I mean, but I would assume that would be a part of your normal conversation as an adult, an older adult when you which I don't know how for that what age that is once you get past, like, say, 30 at least. Right. You start going, well, you know, I mean Right. I think if if if I was if I was out on the dating scene and I you know, if I I was dating a 32, 33, whatever year old lady, I I would kinda like to know what happened. Like, I I kinda explained a I I want an explanation on why you're not married by now. Right? Like, you were in college or or, you know, you had a big you had big career stuff going on or, you know, like, otherwise, if you're just, you know, unlovable to the point of 33

Nobody measured up. I might yeah. Everyone's not good enough for you. I might bail right now. Yeah. We'll move this thing from the Latin king to the Chuck Cheese. I'm out. That seems pretty low rent when you're ten minutes into the date, and you're like, you know what? This isn't gonna pan out. Can we move to a cheaper restaurant? Oh, no? Well, good luck paying by yourself. I I think the chat has a point, though, that that if if the guy is concerned about about it enough to ask a the question, maybe he shouldn't be going out. You know what I'm saying? Like, if he's not if he can't think to him if he has to wonder how to handle it. Maybe he's a circle. You know? Maybe he's just worried about that all the time anyway. You know people's circles. They're scared to they don't wanna Did it say how long it had been?

Let's see. Three years ago. Three years ago. That's that's pretty early. That's pretty especially with your wife and your own and your own only son. Yeah. Yeah. You don't just get over that. I mean, you don't just like, well, yeah. I mean, you gotta live on. You gotta do stuff, but it's early enough to date, but it's you gotta talk about it. I mean I think you gotta talk about Oh, you you don't wanna start off on the wrong foot. Now what what do you care? Like, let's say you go on a first date. You guys don't really click. You know, that guy knows that your wife died. I don't you know? Unless he, like, cut the brake Yeah. Line or something. I mean I mean, it wasn't like he did it. I mean I I I don't think they're I don't think the people are gonna frown on you for having a a wife and a child that passed away in a car accident. You know, that seems a bit Yeah. Really. What kind of heartless beast woman is gonna are you even screening these people? You know? Or you're getting a bunch of weirdos coming up and meet you for dinner. You know? You gotta have at least something in common or have some type of attraction to it to be going on. This. Let's say let's say you were, you were trying to seek love over the Internet.

Would you mention that as part of your as part of your posting? I don't think I would there. You gotta you gotta meet someone first. You gotta dangle the Well, mean gotta dangle the fish and then any type of Then spring the skunk? I guess so. Dangle the fish. Spring the skunk. By the way, they call me the black widower. You wanna hear the secular? Secular says, I see no reason why you should disclose all the details of what happened to your wife and child on a first or second date. If the subject of your marital status is raised, it's perfectly alright to say that you are a widow widower, that the subject is a painful one, and you will share more details when you know the person better. It would be insensitive for anyone to press you for more information after hearing a statement like Well, ain't no kidding. After you drop the heavy bomb, no one's gonna be wanna hang out with you. You know, like, look. It's a a I am a widower. It's kind of a painful deal. I I I I'd love to talk to about you further if I if I knew you a little bit better. Let's go bowling. Who's in for bowling? Yeah. Yeah. Two pints at the pub. I mean, who who wants to hang around with you? You know, sour mouth Tom? I mean, I It's becoming kinda mysterious and stuff. I'd be kinda, like, creeped out if they didn't. It's, like, someone that important to you, and you're not even gonna talk about it? Yeah. Really. I'm a widow of details of I killed them. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's just creepy. You just it's just as honest to come out with it. Yeah. That's nice. Well, I mean, it's gonna come up. It's probably gonna linger. It's gonna be a part of the relationship regardless. You know? Like, there there's no way that there's not gonna be at least a shadow of this relationship and child that you used to have. Yeah. I agree. You gotta deal with it.

Maybe. Maybe don't date. Okay. I got one more. I'm ready. Oh, man. That was heavy. Okay. Here we go. Let's see what we got. Dear life from the past. Seven years ago when I was 25, I quit a good job before I had a new one. Hard times ultimately led to my husband and and I divorcing. She had husband and me divorcing. That's not grammatically correct, I don't think. I went back to school, and I'm now starting a new career. But I can't help but feel that if I had not quit my job years back, I'd be established in a career by now and still be married. Never listened to anyone back then, although I was polite and quiet. I have grown from the experience, but my heart aches for what I lost. I don't drink or do drugs, so there's no numbing this pain. How do I get over my regrets and heal?

Go back to your husband. Is that wrong? Is that the wrong advice? Go back to him. You made a mistake. Go rectify it. What if he divorced her? She needs to try to reconcile. Yeah. I think you always wanna try to reconcile. I mean, if it's too late, you just have to suck it up and say well I made a poor choice to get on with your life. Life's too short to sit around and you know, grieve every decision you've made even if it was a poor one. You just get up and okay don't do that again. I I mean, could you mean, you could sit there and you can if and wish everything away no matter what. Did I move here or there? Did I do this or that? I had three job offers. Which one did I take? Now let me ask you this. Does this stuff change if you

if you if you're a Christ follower? Do those decisions change? How many regrets do you have if you turn over to Jesus and say, okay. I'm gonna run this by God and see what happens. Can you Well, that's that's assuming that you are a 100% consistent at, like, identifying God's direction for your life. Is God confusing? No. No. We're confusing. So you have to be have ears to hear. So you have to be ignoring him then, I'd say. Right? Ignoring him or listen or trying to listen to two parties at the same time,

such as yourself. Jesus wants me to take this high dollar job here in Philadelphia as opposed to this low paying thing in the The Maldives. You know? I could work for money money money is great or Jesus' Lord Ministries. I don't know. I can't decide. I don't know. Philly's closer to home. I really feel like Jesus wants me to make the big money. I'll donate to Jesus' Lord Ministries. What did I see? I I passed a church today that said First Church of Christ, comma, scientist. Oh. And I thought,

wait. Are they trying to say first like like it's like it's his professional name, Christ, comma, scientist? Like the John MD, doctor Steve MD. You know? But it was a it was a Scientology church. You know? I couldn't get it at first. Like, I'm like, first church of Christ, comma, scientist. There's a scientist that also goes here? I don't understand what's going on here. I the science community? Are they trying to trick people that would normally attend the first church of Christ? And then they're like, oh, bonus. There's a live in scientist here. That's helpful for people who have questions. Or or or or that Jesus is a scientist, and they say, oh, I didn't know that. I'll definitely come in. Well, that's what I'm saying. It's like, I thought they were scribing him a title like,

Jesus, lord and savior, and and scientist. Yes. I think that's what they're doing. Part time scientist. Man of science. Yeah. Man of Yeah. I don't know. I thought this I thought this church building was full of mumbo jumbo, but he's a science man. Jesus has started to back up his crazy ideas with fact and experiments. Finally, Jesus invented the neutron elicer. Where are we at here? I got one more. I got one more. Wait. What was what was the last one? What did we just read?

The Dayton? No. Oh, no. The lady that's looking back wants to go back. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I I'm voting for I I'm voting for go back. Go back to your husband. Try to reconcile whatever you I mean I mean, you can either regret it, and your options are to move on or or try to rectify the situation. I think I think the the option is to rectify the situation. Okay. So so let's say you're the husband. Yep. And and your wife did some really not smart we don't know what really led to the divorce. And then she comes back seven years later and says, hey. I really wanna get back. After seven years? I think we I think we date again. Like, I I mean, I I think we go through the process of of re getting to know each other. Can you deny this marriage, though? Like, biblically, Jesus style. No. But I I I

well, let me ask you this. Let me you. Can you can you be married and not living together? Well, see, Jesus style, I would say you never got divorced just because man Right. Wrote a certificate. Right. Mean you're really divorced. So

but so so let's so you're not really divorced. Right? But you're estranged from your spouse for seven years because of behavior. One way or the other. Mhmm. And so so if this spouse then comes back, I'm still married, but I don't know that I have to say we're still biblically married. I think we should move back in our houses together. I feel like it's I I feel like that we're in a situation in which it makes sense to make sure that that is not gonna cause greater harm to both parties. I that I still have responsibilities for for provision,

I guess I would say. Dan, we're gonna need some bible backup on this. There's a scripture in I'm I'm looking up right now. I believe it's in Deuteronomy that's kind of obscure little scripture that basically says It says, Dan Hudson is alright. He's he's pretty cool. You get married, you divorce, they get remarried to come back

is what's the word? I'm bad with my words today. It's it's bad. Don't do it. Well, that that assumes she got remarried. Right? Either one of them. Either one. Either one of them. Well, what's my it is, what's the word they always use in the Old Testament that sound real bad, not apostate. It is, it is anathema or something. It's not that one, though. It's I don't know what Dan does. Here. I don't really know what you not sure. Anathema. I mean, you make up crazy words. You're mad at children with the waffles.

I'm not sure. You're not the man I thought you would. I wish I could go on vacation. This is what I do with myself. It's the paint. Apostate. So you wanna hear secular advice while I dance up on that? Yep. Yep. Okay. You can't change the past. You can only concentrate on on and build a future. Do that by making a conscious effort to stay in the present. When you feel yourself slipping backward and reliving the pain, pull yourself into here and now. This is a world talk for Jesus talk. Yeah. Right? The the pull yourself into here and now, that's the secular holy spirit. Then thank you. Thank your higher power for your health, your job, and a chance to rebuild your emotional and financial future. Thanks god for the big money.

Regret is the cancer of life. Dwell on it, and it will keep you from progressing. That's true. Excuse me. Cancer is a progressive item. Indeed. That's how people the wrong words. That's the diagnosis every time. It's progressed. It's anathema. I would've used a different word is what I'm saying. Agreed. Did you find it, Dan?

No. Oh, I I gotta quit searching. I said I'll read this while you're finding the other. I wasn't listening because I And you bailed. Oh, man. Okay. Apostate. Okay. That was it. That's all I got. It's abomination. That's all I got. That's probably the word I'm looking for. It's an abomination. Yeah. Yeah. Did somebody say it? Not even a real word. Here's here's here's Dan circa,

three or four thousand years ago. Let's build a tower. What happened to me? Dateline, 10/10/2011, 08:32PM eastern time. Three Amish men accused of cutting hair, beards of others. Three Ohio Amish men remained in police custody Monday after allegedly assaulting other members of their local community in part by forcibly cutting off hair and beards, a particularly egregious offense in Amish society. We've

had this problem before. Hold on. And now in both secular and unsecular rooms. Hold on. You you can't craft this. Here we go. Lester Mullet, 26, Johnny Mullet, 38, and Levi Miller, 53, were arrested last Friday according to Jefferson County sheriff Fred Abdullah. Additional arrests are expected. Four alleged attacks have taken place since September 6, Abdallah said. The three men are accused of breaking into multiple homes and inflicting a series of cuts and bruises

by forcibly cutting facial and other hair from men, women, and children. Holy cow, man. These guys are terrorists. They're cutting it's the facial hair from women. It's grossing me out. No. It doesn't say that. It says cutting facial and other hair from men, women, and children. I'm assuming ladies with mustaches. Why would you assume that? They're Amish. The the attacks, they don't they don't have an electric razor. Here's what Chris said. Here's what I'm saying. You have a short window, to use the straight blade. And then at that point in time, you gotta wait till it gets long enough to use the scissors. Because if you try to do the interim time between the straight blade and the scissors, that's gonna hurt, and you're gonna end up cutting yourself because you're gonna go too much after it. So a lady with a mustache has a small window.

Here's what cracks me up about this story. There's some three or four obvious dudes get together, and they really wanna raise some cane. And they decide, let's cut some facial hair. And I'll show them. You know, I mean, everyone else is, breaking windows or, you know, busting into places, stealing crap. These guys are breaking into homes and cutting hair. I I I don't know. Have you ever tried to do a dry a quick cut? Like, I mean, you gotta have some high quality scissors. Some sharp scissors. Yeah. Like, I can't barely cut use use scissors to cut my facial hair

even if I'm doing it dead on and take them a sweet bippy time. You know? Like and these guys are like, do it, Jim. Do it. Get them, Johnny. You'll Johnny Mullet, 38. Yeah. Lester Levi Miller. Oh, here we go. The attacks according to Abdullah were instigated by an extreme Amish splinter group led by Lester and Johnny Mullet's father, bishop Sam Mullet. Jesus wants hair. The leader of this group, I call it a cult, was shunned from his faith some years ago, Abdullah said in regard to bishop Mullet. He basically thumbed his nose at others. There's trouble. There's trouble in the Amish community. I don't even know what to make of this. Is there is there a do the Amish, jail themselves? Are they their their own, court? Like, are there do there are there laws are they applicable to our laws?

Do they are they live like the like the Indians? Are they kinda, like, apart from? No. I think they would go to, you know, regular jail and everything. I mean Yeah. But they don't pay taxes, do they? Or do they own land? Or I I think so. I mean, they have to put, like, emergency stuff on their buggies and stuff. I mean, it's part of the just part of the law. I mean Well, they don't have phones. Don't use 911 service. They don't use sewer. They don't use water. True. I don't know, man. Here here's here's that the sheriff. Yeah. They probably said, hey. It's sheriff. I Abdullah doesn't seem like an Amish name.

No. It doesn't really. Should be like Yoder. Damn. Not every Yomish fan's a Yoder. She could be though. Yeah. It was Ted Ted Yoder's not Yomish though. Remember Ted Ted's the hammer dolcemer? Yeah. Yeah. He's cool. He's cool. Yeah. Boy, mean, he's sharp. He hasn't done the flight of the bone be like I asked yet. I need to send him another email. Yeah. Send him one. That would be awesome. Hey. Here's that scripture. Deuteronomy 24. When a man takes a wife and marries her, if then she finds no favor in his eyes because she has found he has found some indecency in her, he writes her a certificate of divorce, puts her in her hand puts it in her hand, sends her out of his house, and she departs out of his house. And if she goes and it becomes another man's wife, and the latter man hates her, writes her a certificate of divorce, wow, and puts her in her hand and sends her out of the house, if the latter man dies, who took her to be his wife, then her former husband who sent her away may not take her again to be his wife after she has been defiled,

for that is an abomination before the Lord, and you shall not bring sin upon the land your Lord of God has given you for an inheritance. So it was an abomination for her to get married, go to someone else, be married, and then go back to the original guy. Who you gotta stick with the last guy? Whoever the last guy. Whoever you made the last commitment to. Yeah. I guess so. But, you know, actually, marriage is kind of a somewhat

vague in scripture, you know, because he is, well, no divorce. Well, okay. Here if you have a divorce. But then he says, you know, I hate divorce in in Malachi. I mean, and it's like, don't do it. And then Jesus said, really, the only reason there's divorce is because of hardness of heart. So, you know, as humans, we have hard hearts, so we find that excuse, and we'll we'll divorce. And then what do do with remarriage? I mean, can go all day long and go in circles and this whole stuff. Well, you know, we've talked about marriage a little bit on the show, but what it basically comes down to is is you respecting god's definition of marriage anyway. You know what saying? Respecting. Because if you if if you understand what you're getting into, you won't do it like heartedly. You know, you'll pay special attention to what you're doing and not get, prematurely,

connected to people that you don't intend to spend your life with. You know? I mean, follow them around. See how they act. See how they deal with things. See how they're walking with god before you say, okay. Me and you for the end of days, buddy. You know? Then divorce doesn't become if you don't walk walk into it as divorce being an option, then it's not your first choice. Yeah. I mean, people thumb their nose up at counseling and whatever, but, you know, if if if keeping the marriage together is your first choice, counseling's not so bad. You'll do anything. And honestly, the best counseling for a couple is their own attitude of saying divorce is no option. Yeah. Because otherwise, they go to the counselor, and they still have in their head, oh, yeah. If this doesn't go right or Yeah. I think you usually find it takes it takes it takes one person in the marriage to start the ball rolling, and and neither one of the two in a crappy marriage wanna wanna start the ball. And it's it's it's a hard ball to start. Right? But the both of them are just they're they're, I don't know, apathetic,

and and they don't want anything to do with it. And they're like, well, he doesn't he it always has to do with, well, he doesn't appreciate me for what I do. And she's like, well, he doesn't, you know, she doesn't appreciate me for the things I do and this and this. And it it takes one person to start showing appreciation to get the other one to see it, and god will grow it back. You know? Yeah. God wants his marriages to to stick, and he says so. You know what I'm saying? There's not one marriage that god god doesn't bless. If it's a godly marriage in the first place, he he blesses that marriage because he set up marriage. So there's never it always makes me laugh. It's like, wants me to have this affair. God wants me to be happy. You know? Happy? Doesn't set up institutions and then not bless them, and god doesn't set up institutions for them to be ignored. And so if ever in the back of your mind, you're thinking this marriage is absolutely

a drag, the lord of all creation blesses that situation, so you better get on board because it's it's it's happening. Yeah. Whatever blessings you're ignoring is to your own detriment. Very true. Wizard. Bloodfist of redemption. What's going on next week? Who's coming in here? The center of fire's gonna be in. Yeah. I know those guys. Yeah. Yeah. They're swinging in. They're they're opening for evanescence. What do you want me to sing a bippy or what? Yeah. Yeah. Make it happen.

That's no good. That's no good. Who who is this group? They're a hard rock group. Are they? Yeah. They they they they're kind of the hard same setup. They they've been in here before. Well, not here. The one they're opening for. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'll just sit in a fire. Okay. I see Potts' name right there. He's their drummer. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He did the biggest one. I know. It takes a lot of stones, Potts. Yeah. A lot of stones. We'll see about it. Yeah. Yeah. So, anyway, they're they're gonna be here next week talking about their new EP, and that I'm pretty excited about that too. We're test out the the guest studio because the playroom's coming. Oh, yeah. We're gonna be so, yeah, so I guess a heads up starting next week. Is it next week? Either week after. Yeah. We gotta move it, though. We gotta have move by the next Monday. Thursday. Not next Thursday, but the Thursday after. Right? Friday. Friday, which means that we have to, yeah. We're gonna have to move it. We're gonna have to move it. It is

yeah. It's a week from this Friday. Uh-huh. So we still have one more show here. Mhmm. Oh, wait. That would so that would be next Monday. Yeah. But that puts us in the straights. Like, the idea is to move it prior to the week so we don't get hung up. It'll probably be there on Monday. Oh, that's right. Because we won't have time to come back and move between Monday and then Friday. Yeah. We're gonna have to move for Monday. How would that affect their instruments and all that? I don't Give them room to bring it in. That's for sure. I mean, the tile floor and everything. I don't know. I guess we'll see how it goes. We'll lay a rug down. Yeah. Put a rug in there. It's super dark in that room. I don't know what we're gonna do about life. It's probably conversations for us to have later. But You don't think people wanna listen in? There's nobody listening. I don't think they care how we put on this rack jack operation. It's not like you look at a jack in a box you bought at a garage sale for 25¢ and go, I wonder how this genius thing works. You just look at it and go, you better pop. What a waste of money. Well, it may hate to, well, I would say so there's an update on that

on that that pastor, the Iranian pastor. Yep. Yeah. Do you remember that? So so the story is is this guy was a Muslim. He was when he was 19, he turned to Christian faith, and, basically, he's brought up on charges of apostasy, which is denying his faith. He's been dying his, his Muslim faith, his Islamic faith. And, so the the government the Iranian government charges him with apostasy, decided he's gonna he's gonna be executed. And, the story starts to get out, and there's a huge backlash, international backlash to protect, you know, the religious freedom of this guy in Iran. And so the Iranian government comes back and says, well, that's not true. He's not being executed for apostasy. He's a rapist and an extortionist. That's why. He owns a brothel. Yeah. So they they check it out. And, like, the only court document that's been real that's that's been obtained from his original trial in 2008, was him being charged with apostasy and and put up for execution because of it. K? So they're obviously trying to to make it sound like they're not executing him for religious belief, which is exactly what they're doing. Yeah. K?

So it says, this is from earlier today. It says the possible hanging of an Iranian pastor who may face execution for refusing to recant his Christian beliefs reached the highest levels of the Iranian government over the weekend with supreme leader Ali Khamenei being asked for his opinion on the possible death sentence. Mohammed Dodka, attorney for pastor Youssef Nardkani, told CNN that Nardkani was still alive and that the court has asked the highest religious leader in Iran for his input. Though Khamenei has the ultimate authority in Iranian affairs, the move is unusual for a case that was supposed to be decided on Monday. Nardhani, the leader of a network of house churches in Iran, was first convicted of apostasy in November 2010, a charge he subsequently appealed all the way to the Iranian Supreme Court. In an appeals trial last month at a lower court in Gilen province, Narkhani refused to recant his beliefs. After the trial, however, reports by the, semi official Farz News Agency on September 30 indicated the charges against Narkhani have since changed, and the pastor is now charged with rape and extortion.

This issue has nothing to do with his abandoning his religion. He is a Zionist and has committed security related crimes, which is not rape or extortion. No. Seems to be a a third level of trouble that he's in. Is it does Zionist mean something different? Support of Israel? Yeah. That's it. Yeah. I heard that they passed a bill. Not a passed a bill. They signed a petition in congress. A bunch of congressmen signed it, sent it to secretary of state Clinton to try to get it. Well, and and White House did come out, and and Clinton did come out and issued a statement basically condemning the action. Yeah. Yeah. And and it says during many sessions in court with the presence of his attorney and a judge, he has been sentenced to execution by hanging according to article eight of Tahrir, which is Muslim stuff. Yeah.

So, anyway, he's in the he's in the real business. He wrote a pretty cool letter, to his congregation, Basically saying, you know, this is this is a time of which your belief is actually vetted out. You know? Like, we can easily say, oh, I'll follow Christ anywhere, especially to the piggly wiggly where I can get a ham for $8. You know? It's this isn't an ex what I got from it was he's basically saying, look, this this isn't this is how it plays out. This is this is the logical extension of everything you believe if you truly believe it. It's just it's a situation,

you know, that takes me out of where what I was doing. But, you know, you know, it isn't something to be aghast of. It's just it's just something that that always could have been the case. I mean, you have to know that, especially if you're in Iran running house churches, you know, in a in a nation like that. It couldn't have been far from your mind. They're they're mowing them down in Egypt right now. Hell yeah. Yeah. Spirits in Egypt. Yeah. I I mean, Jesus said it was gonna happen like this. Yeah. It's been happening all along, and it's just, you know, we've been pretty protected here, but I don't know. I think we're coming close here. I don't know. Dan's the he's that popcorn that's getting to him. He gets that way. He's got the new salt on there. Hell yeah. That lower sodium salt. Not really salt. I used to always think it was gonna be like gangs and stuff and criminals and and now now it's been, you know, a few years. You've watched goodbye and the Kashorea laws is is taking on in a lot of places. And it might not happen yet in my lifetime, but

it's coming. I believe it, Dan. I believe it. You sold me all that. Just call me Noah. I thought it was gonna be gangstoo. I just, you know, always envisioned someone will shoot me for my faith. Course, you also did the same thing with the little Jesus in your heart, cleaning stuff up. So maybe your vision's not might not be dead on. See? Just something to think about opening the door. You try to hide your sin from me, Daniel. I

find everything. I know what you did. Oh, man. Alright. You're listening to life in the past. Kinda. Yeah. I never wanna take off. Alright. I think we're gonna get out of here. So next week, we will be talking to

the fellas from or or fellas and lady from syndrome of fire. They're gonna be talking about talking about their new EP. Make sure you catch us during the week at lifeinthepath.org, where you can also sign up for the podcast. You can catch this delightful, treat ready to download tomorrow morning. You've been listening to live from the path. Please enjoy as you're heading out. Mister Adam Katz, who was on the show last week, thanks for listening, and have a wonderful week. You gave it all.

You gave it all.

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