I can be unentertained at home. I feel bad. We dragged poor Wayne into it. Sorry, Wayne. Apologize, Wayne. You're listening to Live from the Path. We hear every Monday night from 10 to midnight. I'm Ben Foost. I'm your host for this evening.

And you're stuck with me pretty much every evening. It's just the way how things are going to go. Hey, heads up. In case you're making plans. You're making plans. We've got some stuff coming up. Next week, Chris Day is going to be in the studio. Bonus. And on March 5th, he's going to be in here.

Kind of the same thing. Sharing some tunes. Sharing his story. Jeff Arendale will be here on the 12th. We reschedule with Jeff. So he's coming in with the two. His background people are the two dudes with the same name. Do you remember who they are? It's not Leon's.

But I think two Leon's would be cool. I wasn't listening to you. Okay. We're going to say Jeff and the two Leon's are coming in. I think they're like Dave's. Okay. Okay. Jeff and the Dave's. Jeff and the two Leon's coming in on the 12th.

Michelle Hoy is going to be here on the 19th. Adam Cates on the 26th. On the 29th, we're broadcasting live from the Newsboys show from Indianola. Yeah. Church in Indianola. Christ. So we'll be broadcasting there. We'll be doing interviews with those guys, a couple of their opening acts, and then broadcasting the show.

It's going to be awesome. So the real talent, as always, is located in the theater. We're there to create atmosphere in the lobby. Yeah. That's what we do. We did it when we were homeless, and we're doing it now. Is that internet radio? Do you guys just put anybody on? I mean, it looks like it.

Can I sit down? My wife thought she was selling Jesse Raphael. She'll talk to them boys. Boys of the news. All right. I should bring our… Here's the deal. That was a mistake. That whole deal was a mistake.

That homeless thing was solid, then you ran away with it. I mean… You're listening to… You're listening to life. All right. So the last song, Treasures. Here's the deal. I don't… I think there's a good perspective in there when it talks about…

And I'm going to have mangled the lyrics, Wayne, so I'm sorry. But letting go of it so it goes to you, right? Let go. Yeah. Let's go of you. Right. And I think sometimes we… That's true for a lot of things, especially when it comes to worldly things, where we don't recognize, where we feel like we're in control of something, when ultimately, it has gotten

a hold of us, and it is in control of us. It's with habits. It's with addictions. But even smaller things, where like, you know, I could… I'll give you a good example. So I got… It's not an addiction, but I do like… I have an affinity to the Casey's breakfast sandwiches. The sausage.

Here's the deal. I don't like sausage on anything else. But those Casey's breakfast sandwiches are awesome. They're pretty delicious. Yeah. They're pretty good. And here's the problem. There's a Casey's close to my house. So I never remember to fire up my car early enough to get it warm.

So the windshield's kind of frosted over on the inside, because I got leaks in the car. So I might have scraped the outside, but I can't scrape the inside, because it gets water all over that. So I have to frost the thing. I'm kind of moving my head around, driving, but I can make it the… You live some kind of life, Ben, I'll tell you. Wait for it, all right? So I…

Seriously, if you're going to try to tell people that the love of Jesus Christ has changed your ways, and this is what they have to come to offer to, you could seriously be a better witness, you know? There's a block between my house and the… Well, a couple blocks between my house and the Casey's, and if you're out in about any time between 7.45 and 8.30 in the Bondurant area, I would be careful if a black 2002 Kia Optima comes rolling in your direction, because I did not prepare. So anyway, so here's where the benefit is. I can make it the two blocks pretty safe.

There's not a lot of traffic in Bondurant. The kids are generally on the school bus by then. I can tool around town. But if I pull up there, by the time… If I go in and I buy a breakfast sandwich and chocolate milk come back out, the engine is warm enough where I can turn on the defrost and start warming up the place, right? Otherwise, I've got to sit in a cold car for another three minutes and then start turning it on. So it's handy.

But these breakfast sandwiches cost me too much money. I really shouldn't be spending the money on that stuff. I've got to stop doing it. So I said to myself, Ben, you're going to stop buying these breakfast sandwiches. And I made it like four days. And I went back and I bought another breakfast sandwich. I thought, I am not dominated by breakfast sandwiches. But here's the deal. I totally am.

So things are thought, I control the breakfast sandwich. Now, I've totally used a very lowbrow example to highlight Wayne's tune. But it's something that we can all relate to. It's what occurs to me. Half crazy driving in the morning time just to get a breakfast sandwich at the Casey's. And it's so convenient that your car can defrost by the time you get back at the breakfast You're the everyman. How can no one else get on board with what you're saying? You went from broad spectrum just straight down to breakfast sandwich at Casey's.

You just gave a bin-only example. No one on the chat is thinking. I'm controlled by breakfast sandwiches. And that's hard for me to admit. Okay. Okay. Broad sweeping, right? Everyone's controlled by something lame. Ben is just kind of…

He's tapped the lame market with his lame story. But I will do the same thing for a 20-ounce Mountain Dew. I will. You know, I'll make crazy concessions that I normally would not make otherwise. You know, if that place only sells Fountain Mountain Dew, I will drive three miles out of my way to get the one in the bottle that I want. You know, that… And why? And why? Yeah, before I got on board with the whole weight loss thing, it was Walmart mozzarella sticks.

They're cheap. And you can buy a lot of them. And they're delicious. It's terrible. Like, how many could I get for a good bargain? Like, you can get like a pound for four bucks. That's a tasty press. I know this is so sad that I have like… Yeah, I have like a doctorate in mozzarella sticks.

It's ridiculous. You can go to Arby's and get like the six piece for like five bucks. It's ridiculously expensive. Or you can go to Walmart, sit there for three minutes, and they make a pound for like four bucks. Well, I'm astonished I've been such a fool in the past to go to the Arby's. We've got to do that. Oh, and I will make… I take that back. I used to.

I've gotten control of it now through prayer and God, not me. But I would make ridiculously trips to get it. You would get four pounds. No, I wouldn't. I would get a pound, but… I mean, at that price, Troy, you just will buy four helpings and just have them later as well, right? No, because I would eat the four pounds. Oh, right. I'm a big guy and got this way somehow, so…

I don't know how this happened to me. What's happened to me? Get some mozzarella sticks and think about it. I've got to clear my head. Halt. I can't think with all these mozzarella sticks around. I've got to get rid of some of these things. I've got to get these out of the way. Now, what was I eating?

So, I know that mine was a lame example, too, but yes. I mean, anyway, broad coloring, and sometimes we don't realize… I don't want to admit that I'm controlled by breakfast sandwiches, but ultimately… Or mozzarella sticks. It's something that I can't let go, and frankly, I don't want to, which is why it continues to persist, which I think, hopefully, in some skewed getaway, appropriately represents Wayne's lyrical context. That example was downtown. Casey's is like…

Actually, Casey's is kind of a suburb store, isn't it? Yeah, it really is. It's only here. A bit like the song. That's what he got out of it. Yeah. That was an amazing song. It was awesome. It's funny how songs speak to people in different ways.

He's thinking breakfast sandwich, Mike's thinking Mountain Dew, and I'm like, mozzarella sticks the whole time. I know one thing. We got to get out of here. Because I am hungry. We're not taking Ben's car. I wouldn't. It's dangerous in there. We better get to another tune.

Okay. Well, there was something we were talking about just before the show started that kind of ties in a little bit with that Treasures piece, and it has to do with… The Clean Water Movement. Yeah. Tell us a little bit about that. Yeah. Yeah. There's a good friend of mine who actually works at Free Church in Ames as well, and he

started a thing called Clean Water Movement. Basically, they've started drilling for folks in rural areas in Bolivia, but they've got plans and praying about going into Uganda and Kosovo as well in the next little while. And it is amazing some of the circumstances that people are living in in different parts of the world, right? I mean, we just don't… We don't get it because we don't live there, and we live… I think somebody told me the other day, again, that if you took sort of the wealth measure of all of the civilizations of the world that have ever existed, like people who live on

a fairly moderate middle income to even lower income in America are in the top 2% of all of history, right? And yet there are people across the world who are struggling for clean water every day and the things that that means in terms of their health, their community, jobs, anything like that. So he started a very simple but powerful thing where they go in and they just drill a well that's actually going to last for a while in these communities. So they just went down a few months ago to a town in Bolivia and put a well in for a community there.

And I asked him about some of the numbers today, and they've started this thing called the $2 Movement, which if you go to cleanwatermovement.org, you can sign up for. There's also, I think, on Facebook, if you look for Clean Water Movement, you can find that on there as well, if you could confirm that. But I was asking about some of the numbers today. I said, well, so what's the bang for the buck here, you know, that we're looking for? And he said that this $2 thing is based on the numbers that they have, that if somebody gives $2 a month for a year, $24, right? That will provide water for one person in Bolivia for 15 years.

$24 in the span of one year will provide clean water for one person for 15 years in Bolivia. And I just go, well, why can't we do that? Yeah. You know? So a little bit of the heart of this kind of a song is saying, man, yeah, there's some things of eternal value that I really want to be putting myself into. And the opportunity, obviously, to provide in ways that take care of felt needs like that.

But then what a bridge that is. You come into a community and you care for them in a real way, and they're a little bit curious. Yeah. Why'd you come down from Iowa, you know, to drill us a well? Yeah. Well, because God loves you, man. And because I love you. And because I want to bridge this somehow between us.

And if possible, be able to share what I've found in Jesus. So there's very cool stuff going on with that. Boy, that's cool. That's really awesome. You can get, like you mentioned, Wayne mentioned, you can get more information at cleanwatermovement.org. There's a place, I think, you can hook up with the $2 movement, a place to get involved, donate. There's a movie to watch on the front there.

Anyway, it looks pretty cool. That's a pretty cool. And here's a, sometimes I think we need reminders like that. I think we need to be reminded of what goes on elsewhere and what needs we can fill. I think there are people with good hearts that, frankly, just don't know where to go next. We had a conversation with some guys today. We were talking about men and communication. And the general consensus was that the women in these lives were feeling like their men wanted

to lead the families. They had good hearts to do it. They were well loved. But frankly, they just, these men do not know what to do next. They don't know how to improve the situation if they wanted to. And I think broadly, you have that where just on what our culture looks like, sometimes our perceptions, our blinders are just on. And they're unintentional, but they're there. And it just takes some things to open your eyes.

And it doesn't mean that you suck because you didn't see it before. But now that your eyes have been opened, you have a different heart for it and something to seek out after it. So that's very cool. That's the cleanwatermovement.org. Definitely check that out. So it's $24. I think we should, yeah, get that done. Go to Bolivia.

Sign us up, man. They hand dig the well. That sounds wild. Yeah, they've got a mechanism that's kind of like a tripod. And they just work at it. It takes about six hours. I mean, I guess it probably depends on sort of what kind of earth they're getting into. But the one that they did a little while ago took about six hours and they got it done.

See, Mike, you can build a nice pit. Okay. Okay. I tried to get you to do a pit a week ago and you wouldn't do it. Yeah. That's not how you were selling it. You weren't selling it for clean water for others. You were just, you wanted me to dig a pit and then have it be a tourist attraction called the pit and then charge people money to look at it and then push them in and then charge

them money to get them out. That was your scam. Hi. I feel like this is the same thing as what they're doing. Yeah. They're raising money. I don't know. Something about it seems more honest the way they're doing it. Yeah.

It doesn't seem like a good idea for what you're doing. Maybe beneficial. You're going to have a lot of angry customers. It's like the world's largest frying pan. It's like that type of attraction. The great pit of Iowa. Right. But you don't get pushed into the frying pan and then have to pay to get out of it. They haven't quartered that ditch of the market.

That's why they're not as big as they could be. Ah, gotcha. That was it. I don't think it makes a strong point. The frying pan guys are just, they're not looking at the whole picture. They're not capitalizing on what they have. You're listening to Live from the Path. We're in studio with Wayne Stewart. He leads worship at the First Free Church in Ames on two services on Sunday.

If you're looking for a church in that area, check out the First Free Church. Wayne seems like a lovely man. And he loves Jesus. And those are two good qualities of a person. So check it out. We're going to hear some more tunes from him. So tell me a little bit about There Is Coming a Day. Yeah, this tune actually is probably, I think it's the most recent one in the set that I was picking out for tonight. This one was just sort of sitting down with some people and hearing hard stories.

You know, hearing stuff that they had never imagined sort of where their life would end up at. You know, I don't need to share any of the details of that because we all sort of encounter that with folks and ourselves. But you just sit there and go, man, this is real and it's hard, right? And there's two things I can probably tell you besides trying to be your friend and listen and care in the midst of this. The first thing is that I can absolutely tell you that God has not walked away. That's just sort of the phrase that's been coming back in these conversations is you got to know he hasn't stepped away from this. He's still there in the middle of it, even though it's really hard to sort of know that sometimes. And the second thing is, you know what? We're on a timeline, and as much as that we don't think about that all that often,

the fact that this body is going to wear out someday and or Jesus is going to come back puts us on a timeline, right? And so I'm not trying to minimize any of the suffering that people go through in their lives, but if they have a future hope in the midst of knowing that Jesus is still with them in the middle of it, I think that's the combo that helps us move forward to the next step. So cool. This is Wayne Stewart with There Is Coming a Day here on Live from the Path. Brother, he hears your cry. He has not walked away. Sister, he sees your heart.

That is breaking today. Please hear him say, I'm still with you in the dark of this night. So hold on, for there is coming a day, unlike any other day, when this great sorrow will wash away. There is coming a day. There is coming a day. He sees your strife. The ravage of sin. And nations, he knows your lies.

Deeds of man. Please hear him say, There is coming a day. There is coming a day. There is coming a day. Every heart will be here. But he's restored. And the light will shine on. We'll shine on.

The king of all kings will rise and take up his throne. For there is coming a day. So unlike any other day. When this great sorrow will wash away. There is coming a day. There is coming a day. I regret having not gotten in on that one. No doubt. There is coming a day.

I can't, I'm terrible. Here's the thing. You just, you got one of those voices that sounds like you're listening to the CD already. You know what I'm saying? Like it's super smooth. Like sometimes you hear live versions of tunes and you're like, Head back to the studio, friend. Let them do whatever they do. You know what I'm saying?

But that's certainly not the case. Like it's wrong and it's honest. And I don't know. I really liked it. You play that one live with the full band every once in a while? That one, this is the premiere. Nobody's heard it before you guys. I imagine. Very nice.

I imagine I would weep if there was a full band behind that one. It just seems like it's got some power to it. You know what I'm saying? Like I bet that song hits some people hard. Yeah, depending on where you're at. You know what I'm saying? Especially if you had, think of like a sanctuary or an auditorium or something like full of people. And then the music's just a little bit low. Like you can hear all those people say there's coming a day.

Yeah, I could get there. I could I could tear up on that one. Who directs your music videos? We'd certainly we'd certainly be available. We will have time. They'll cancel this thing. First productions. We'll get a close up of Mike with both hands raised. A tear going down Ben's cheek.

Single tear. You could show Ben trying to drive out his window when it's all frosted up. It's not always going to be like this. Troy could be standing outside the Walmart mozzarella sticks case going, No. No. At the end of the video, he's throwing a good set. Not this day. Never again.

Overcome. You might not want to have us do your video, but. Yeah, you don't want me in it at all. I'm not good for publicity. That's solid though. Yeah, boy. And that one's currently probably not on Reverb Nation yet? That is not. No, I've got sort of a guitar and vocal just sort of, it felt, I mean, I agree.

I think it could be the big band anthem thing, you know, and I think it could be, if people caught it and that was sort of the sense of the moment, I think that could be cool. The direction I took in the recordings, I started with it about a month and a half ago were just guitar and vocal. Sure. I'm just trying to create a raw kind of intimate thing. And I don't think it's there yet, but I'm working on it. I really do like it. Yeah, actually, I think I'm going to have a problem this week because what will happen

is by Thursday or Friday, I'll still be humming it. And then I'll be like, where did I hear that song? And then I'll scour the net. Where did I find it? What am I doing with myself this week? And I'll look everywhere and I'll be like, I don't know where I heard this song. It's driving me crazy. But it definitely needs to be on the net. Hey, man.

I got to read this Reverb Nation more closely. So if you go to ReverbNation.com backslash Wayne Stewart, it says ministry highlights include opening for Buzz Gertsen. Gertsen. Gertsen. Gospel Yodelist. Oh, yeah. That sounds awesome. No doubt.

Wait, what? That was a good gig. Yeah. Okay, when was that? Yeah, that was back in the day we were talking a little earlier of the infamous Wayne Stewart band. And we had a guy who was, our bass player was, he was a mountainous man. He's like 6'5", like 230, you know, just a big guy. And sort of strutted across the stage like a lead bass player kind of thing.

Oh, yeah. Big guy. But he also booked our gigs at that point. And oftentimes he really wouldn't tell us where we were going until we were like there. So we've got everything packed up and we're heading out kind of into the county and we're like, okay, so Chuck, where are we going? I'll tell you when we get there, you know, kind of thing. We keep driving, we keep driving, get off paved roads, get onto a dirt road, Chuck, where are we going to play this gig?

It's like, it's okay, just a couple more minutes, a couple more turns back there through some cornfields. This is in Washington State up in the northwest corner. And we finally break through the cornfield to find an AM radio station just in the middle of sort of nowhere, right? And then the corner's been hewn out for sort of a staging area. And we kind of look at him and we're like, Chuck, what is this gig? I mean, it's a cool radio station, whatever. He goes, oh, it's the full gospel businessman's salmon bake.

And we're like, you're absolutely kidding, right? That is so cool. This is just a radio gig. He goes, no, no, it's the full gospel businessman's salmon bake. And sure enough, we start unpacking our gear and stuff and they've got a small hay wagon that's our stage and we're setting all the gear up on it and stuff. And we're pretty much doing sort of a full rock show, you know? And there's just these men and women nicely dressed who are here for some salmon, you know?

And so we start into our set and we're like, ah, going after it, you know? And we get no response after each song, except for our wives who are like 30 yards away. Yay, honey! I know him. I'm with the band. Yeah. So we go through this thing and it deteriorates to the point actually where, I don't know, I mean, I don't want to endorse the film Spinal Tap, but if you guys have seen it, our lead guitar player has an electric, has a wireless pack on.

Yeah. And some of the, yeah, yeah, you get it, right? During one of his big solos and the farm report for today, you know, they start talking about dairy stuff, you know, through his amp. Oh, this is classic. So we're just like, this is going downhill fast. What we didn't know is that we were opening for somebody. So we do our full show and then all of a sudden, and with no response whatsoever from the crowd, we were like, okay, pack it up.

Let's get out of here. You have to go. Yeah, we're like, Chuck, you're done, right? They're not booking us anymore. We're packing our stuff up and all of a sudden we hear the crowd go crazy. And they go crazy because the guy who steps up on the stage next is Buzz Gertz and gospel yodelist. And he starts going after these. He has background tracks and he starts going after these songs.

And instead of solo breaks, he does yodel breaks in these things. And they're going crazy for him. And so then it was even more like, man, let's get in the van and get out of here. So we are the polar opposite above Buzz Gertz. Yeah. So yeah, so we got to open for him. Actually, though, I don't know what's going on with him because he's actually bills himself as the Idaho yodeler now. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, no. He's parted ways. Oh, no. I certainly hoped on. So. Wow. Oh, no, huh? Yeah.

Here, hold on. Yeah. He's for real. He meets a lady. Every time he meets a lady. He gives her a mighty thrill. He takes her to the movies, but he always pays the bill. Because you're the only one. There you go.

Buzz Gertz and the Idaho yodeler. Formerly the gospel yodeler. Formerly the gospel yodeler. Maybe pray for Buzz. Yeah. Regardless, pray for Buzz. Or listen, the gospel people need to start shelling out some money. You know, you forced him to take his home state as part of his name because you weren't willing to show up for the gospel yodeler.

I'm going secular. That's where the money is at. I'm really going to hit it big if I go secular. It worked for Amy Grant. It's getting late. Everybody's in bed. It's no problem. It's getting punching. It is no problem.

Everybody's dropped off. We are safe. Oh, man. You're listening to Live from the Path here on Live from the Path. We are in studio with Wayne Stewart. You can catch him, more importantly, Jesus, but also Wayne, on Sunday mornings at the first E-Free Church in Ames. Do you perform at the Plex? No.

Like at the coffee shop or whatever? No. We've had some events throughout the year, kind of seasonal stuff that we have some of our musicians show up and do some instrumental sets and stuff like that, but it hasn't really been a venue that we've taken advantage of in that way yet. We know some very awesome fellows that would probably love to play at your coffee shop. Maybe we should talk later. That'd be great. And they run a 90% special on the, or 10%, 10% automatic tithe on the coffee.

I mean, we haven't worked that out yet, but I just assume it's going to happen. Okay. So here's the deal. So the guy says, okay, sounds like your God is the God. Yeah. This Buddha thing, the Hinduism, the Vishnu, whatever. It's not for me. It's not for me. I understand.

Lord Jesus, that's the way we're going to roll. I have some questions. So question number two, is it a sin for a man to hit another man if that man hit a woman? Go. Hold on. Think of my point of view here. I'm just new to this thing. I don't quite understand. I don't quite understand how it works.

Take him out. That's it. You can hit him. Definitely. I want to watch. Is that the serious answer? Yeah. I might help. Go ahead, Troy.

That seems conflicting. I don't know if I'm wrong. You're beating on a woman? Right, but. Yeah, he was going to take a shot at him. And I understand. And obviously my mortal self is just like, yeah, take him out. Like, I'll throw him into a dumpster myself. I mean, is the guy, is it a big guy?

Well, regardless of his size, that has nothing to do with the. So, chat clarification, is he breaking up the altercation or, like, he just found out about it, say, six months later? Oh, yeah. Okay, he's breaking up the altercation. It's not, like, a year later. That'd be like, wait. Did you hit a woman? And then you show up and he's like. Oh, that changes everything.

Breaking up the altercation. Yeah. Hit him. Hit him. I can't say that's right. Like. Why not? Why not, Troy? I want to say yes, because.

Booty would never hit him. Now, let me ask you this. It has nothing to do with, would boot ever hit him? The whole concept is. If I were. Regardless of what happened right now. It happened six months ago. A year ago. Regardless of what the situation is.

The guy did something wrong. Where are you to come in? Since I have a concealed carry permit, I don't need to hit him. Oh, no. That's not. Dan, we've avoided your gun toting for, I mean, weeks we've avoided. I got a way to work it in. Now, let me ask you this. If the man that is, he says, he's the man asking the question, that's a bit of an anger

problem. Tends to result to physical violence most of the time. It's all just about anything. I think there's a distinct difference there. Yeah. I think there's a difference. If you say hit him, I'd say do whatever it takes to protect that one. Yeah. That is different.

If I'll, I'll grab the guy and I'll, like, I don't care. I'll use the cliche. I'll sit on him. Make sure he's not. I am totally cool with using the cliche there. I've, in all honesty, I've had to do that. I've seen it happen. I've had to sit on people. No, not necessarily sit on people.

The Lord has blessed me. I'm here. I'm about to roll his dicks. I'm going to be here, Lord. I'm going to sit on you, boy. No. I've had to stop that kind of stuff from happening. I think there's a difference between retaliation physically and stopping any further violence. I completely agree with making sure it doesn't happen anymore, but am I going to go up to

the guy and sock him in the mouth? No. What if you hit him in that forehead with a pair of pliers? What if that… Is that too far? If I'm not going to hit him with my fist, I'm not going to hit him with a pair of pliers. What if you tweak his nose and tickle his armpits? That would probably resolve the situation. I'm just throwing out options here.

Well, obviously, that would probably resolve the situation even better, but I've had to step in where I've had to control a person to stop them from fighting. It's just like a bouncer does at a nightclub. I mean, you control the situation. I wouldn't know what that looks like. Okay, I think the answer… Dan's never seen a movie before. I'm often confused for that. Yeah, I've had to step in and I've had to control the situation, but I would never retaliate

within, like, punching him or even going against and assaulting the person in any way. What about a quick knife jab? That's probably going to be a lot worse. That's probably going to be a lot worse. Can I shake him? No, no, not an actual weapon. You pray on that. Like a knife shake. You pray on that.

You let me know if the Lord says, yes, go ahead and shank him. I just… I don't see… Maybe I'm wrong. I don't see the good Lord saying, go ahead, shank him real quick, and then it'll be over. All I'm saying is that if there were a documentary on the shelf that said… And the title was, Dear Lord, Can I Shank Him? I would buy it. I would have to see what it's about.

Dear Lord? Eh? An hour and a half later, it comes out, no. No, no, you shouldn't shank him. No. So I don't care what the… I mean, if you… I think… Here's the thing.

If you look at this from a reasonable perspective, this goes along with everything else. It goes along with everything else and with the way, like, if you have… Like, having a beer, having a drink, is not against… God doesn't say you can't have alcohol. If it's a problem for you, then you better stay away from it, otherwise you start to enter sin category. You know what I'm saying? If you have a history of violence, if that is your tendency to fix just about everything, me hitting a guy because he's hitting a lady, I think I can probably do that in a reasonable… In a reasonable act to stop the situation from happening and then walk away from it because

I'm not generally a violent, angry person. But if you're looking for God's blessing to hit people with pliers, yes. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's subjective. It's where you start getting out of, I don't know, out of your duty and… I don't know. Like, it's within God's grace to cover, but certainly it can be done in a responsible manner. You know what I'm saying? Like, when you overdo something, that's where you start entering sin category.

No, and I agree entirely on that, but I think even assaulting a guy in any way is overdoing it. What if I'm not able… I'm kind of a weak man, Spank and Houser. Regardless of if you're a weak man… I can't restrain him, but I might be able to pop him in the face. It doesn't matter if I'm 5'2 and weigh 110 pounds, or if I'm 6'7 and weigh 550 pounds. If I want someone to stop what they're doing, I'll do it. I don't have to use any physical force. I don't have to use my weight.

I don't have to use my strength. What kind of magic powers do you have? I could stop you from coming at me without having to do anything special. I don't have any ninja training. It doesn't require ninja training. Tell me how to do it. And it may not even be you that needs to do it. Maybe in the heat of the moment, you need to call the police and get it taken care of. 90% of the…

Hey, sir, uh… 90%… Hold on, I'm going to call the police. 90% of the time, though… I'm going to assist you. You're literally physically hurting another person. You get on 911 on the phone, and you start telling them, hey, here's where I am. Hold on, hold on. They stop immediately.

Troy… And it's done. No, Troy. You said that you… I have been in the situation. You would not physically stop a guy from a second year. I said I would physically stop them. But we're going off of if you can't physically stop them. No, you entered that in there.

That was your agent. No, no, I wanted a justification to throw a punch. The spanking house is not in. There is no justification to throw a punch. You shouldn't… Even if you don't have a problem with anger, why start punching people? Wow, hold on. If you don't have a problem with sexual addiction, why watch porn? No, no, here's what I'm saying.

You watched it once, and it didn't become a problem. I feel like that example was kind of skewed. No, I wasn't trying to say that at all. I think assault is against what we're supposed to do. Are you saying that it's permissible by God to hit someone in the face? Yes. In any situation? I didn't say in all situations. No.

I certainly clarified it when my… Remember, you hear one of my previously calm examples, and I'll explain that there's situations where it's totally acceptable and situations where it's totally not. I'm not across the board saying anything. I don't even make those calls. I don't decide what sin is. I'm just kind of guessing. But I think it's pretty laid out that if you follow certain biblical patterns, that you can extract things that I think could be generalized as true.

Okay, so overall, what you're saying right now is it's okay to punch someone in the face. Yep. If the situation calls for it. Yes. So I just don't agree with that at all. Well, I'll punch you in the face. I was waiting. And all I see is saying you're waiting for someone to say, well, then you don't agree? I'll punch you in the face once.

I disagree with you. You're doing something against me. I have yet to see the occasion where it's necessary to throw a fist to the face. But I'm not going to say the situation would never arise where I would not do that. I'm not saying I wouldn't. Or I'm not saying I would. You're saying you wouldn't. I'm saying I wish I wouldn't. In the heat of the situation, I don't know if I'd punch the dude in the face.

What do you feel? Really? What are you feeling so guilty about, about punching a dude in the face? I don't understand. Because I would really hurt someone, Mike. If I honestly punch someone in the face, I would hurt someone. Because I am honestly a Hercules. The situation is. That's the problem.

As a matter of fact, I'm a Hercules. I'm 430 pounds and I'm 6'2". So there's the difference, right? I'm not worried about it because I'll just stop the man. You're worried because he will die. He might just dust himself into oblivion. He will beat Jesus that day if you get so angry. You forgot the criteria that I'm a bad mamajabba. That was the problem.

Exactly. I'm saying I'm the Hulk. You're the brass knuckles. You're the geek squad walking up. I'm the Hulk. That's the difference. No, that's not. Please do not talk to any of my friends that don't know Jesus. I'm very afraid of what you're going to say.

Here's the situation. I can't punch him. You can. Brother. Here's what the brass knuckles says. Love Jesus like y'all. Get the brass knuckles and have John 3.16. I did not go how I thought it was going to go. Did you think we were all going to agree with you?

Yeah. You're the only one in dissent. Obviously, I am. You need to weigh in on this thing. Wayne, you want any part of this action? Wayne's wisely holding up. I'm staying. Nicely done. I should have.

Wayne's a man of discernment. That's true. It takes a different kind of dude to jump into, can we punch a guy in the face or not, on a Christian radio show. Hey, but seriously. Mike, you and I have talked about spiritual punch in the face before. This is what puts us number one on the 10 to midnight rankings. That's true. That's true.

This type of conversation. There's no higher rated show on the Live from the Path Network. I like it. I like it. In all honesty, though, that's a question from a man who's trying to feel out whether… Yeah. You look at these questions and you laugh. These are legitimate questions. These are questions that I've been asked in the last week from a man that I've been talking

to about Jesus. You have to think about where this comes to. It comes to a sense of… It's a question of justice, right? Like, am I allowed to… What does God consider just? Am I allowed to act on behalf of justice? Where does that line begin? A lot of people have Jesus is the pacifist in the mind.

And although he's not entirely that, he also is not an aggressor. And so some of that is a good opportunity to kind of open up as to what even the manly balance is. And Christ is the example. So, but I mean, a legitimate question, because if you think about, take Jesus out of it, worldly justice looks like that. Like, how do I stop something by force? How do I stop something happening? How do I get what I think should be done?

Force is the manner, regardless of how the force is being applied, it's force that gets those things done. And so, I mean, that's the perspective of someone that has otherwise has a life without Christ, is how is the force pressed? Well, right. I mean, don't be so deceived to think that your ability to have a peaceful solution was probably brought on by a non-peaceful solution at some point. You know what I'm saying? Somebody pushed for the right to have a peaceful solution, and they probably did it by force

to get it so that was an option for you. So, I mean, it's not like it can be completely avoided. It doesn't need to be sought out. But I mean, there's going to be a time. There's going to be a time. There's a time that David slings a stone and takes out Goliath. Right. There's Ecclesiastes. There's a time for war and there's a time for peace.

I love Ecclesiastes. I've read it twice. I seriously, I love it. It's the first time I've read it, and I've never connected so much. The Lord speaks to me something fierce through Ecclesiastes. I love it. I'm going to read it a third time, maybe four times. I might have to. Here's the problem, though.

What version are you reading? Oh, sorry. Both. I read it in the NIV, and I read it in ESV. Are you doing Vanity? What is Vanity? Vanity, Vanity. Is it not Vanity? Oh, Vanity.

Yes. Meaningless. Yes. Okay. Yes. Here's the problem, though. So for the next two months, anytime we have any type of biblical discussion, I'm going to pull a verse out of Ecclesiastes and say that it fits perfectly. It's all meaningless.

It's all. Dude, if you read Ecclesiastes, you'll totally see. You know what's confusing is Ecclesiastes is the name of a disease that is tantamount to shingles in South Africa. Really? Oh. A man has the Ecclesiastes. Oh. Oh.

I didn't know if you were saying it. It's not accurate. I don't know. Whatever. You don't know South Africa? I don't speak South Africa. Yeah. You never know. All right.

Hey, you're listening to Life in the Path. I hope you've learned something in the last few minutes. If my daughter is in a back alley and he'd beat it by someone, Troy, I want you to be somewhere else. I want Mike to be there. I never said that. Oh, my God. You guys act like I'm just going to sit in a corner like, hey. Oh, look at that.

Hey, you guys shouldn't do that. Troy, to be fair, that is certainly how you painted yourself. Please stop. No, I was not saying that at all. You had the brush and you drew yourself. No, I am completely okay with me controlling you. I will lay you down on the ground. You cannot move. You will stop what you're doing, but I'm not going to physically assault you and punch

you in the face. How do you assume to stop a man by not doing anything? I never said that. I never once said not doing anything. He's caught on the word punch. Yeah, you said punch it in the face. That's exactly what you said. Well, I was just assumed that you were just going to stop him. I mean, bear on you.

And I literally sat here and said, I will control you. I will stop you from doing it. Sorry to re-spark this conversation. I'm going to hit you with the quantum five. All right. Hey, hey. Yeah. That's enough. Yeah, sounds good.

All right. Troy's wrong, though. You're listening to Life in the Path. We are in studio with Wayne Stewart. Wayne has been gracious enough to spend his time away from his comfortable bed and his family to come visit Life in the Path. Traveled a considerable amount of time, too. I mean, it's not an easy drive. So very much thank you for spending time with us.

You have one more song for us. It's called Your Heart in Me. Tell us a little bit about it. Yeah. This is a tune, I'm going to say about five years ago or so, came to the surface while I was at a church in Chicago serving there, and it was this whole idea of trying to grapple with the magnitude of what God invites us into in Jesus, right? It's not just sort of, it's not just some new ideas. It's not even some just new habits or anything like that.

It's nothing less than a change of heart that's complete from the inside out, right? I mean, I was in John 3 the other day again and just thinking again how Jesus chose this specific metaphor of being born again, right? I mean, that term sort of gets tossed around a little bit, and it gets a little worn at times and stuff, but it's the term that Jesus picked for that moment. He said, no, you don't get it. There has to, there's this complete change from the inside out that has to happen, and it's available, and nothing less than that is going to matter for anything. So it's a little bit of a celebration of that idea, just that there's this transfer that

happens when we come to Christ. Very cool. So this is Wayne Stewart with Your Heart in Me. My shame, your glory, my debt, you paid it all for me. That shame, freedom, my scar, oh, your healing, that only you can make. Don't please get down, lift me up, pour it out, fill my cup, yeah. Jesus, you've taken what you've placed, your heart, a shame, that you paid it, you're freely. Jesus. Ladies and gentlemen, that was Wayne Stewart.

Thanks so much for coming in, Wayne. We really do appreciate it. Hey, we are nearing the end of our program. It is 11.59. It's time to put the children into bed. Prepare to give them a little bit of warm milk and an apple. It's time for bed. And live from the path, it's coming to an end. Next week, Chris Day will be in the studio sharing some tunes and his story.

You can catch more information about Wayne at ReverbNation.com backslash Wayne Stewart. He's also the worship leader at First E-Free Church in Ames. If you're looking for a church in that area, definitely swing by there and check that out and hook up with Jesus. If you're in the Johnson area, Des Moines metro area, and you're looking for a church, or again, more importantly, if you're looking for a relationship with Jesus Christ in all honesty, we'd love to talk to you, answer any questions that we can. We won't answer them on air if it makes you uncomfortable. But we'd love to talk to you about that.

That's PathwayChurch at ThePathOnline.org. We meet at 9 and 1030 at the Johnson Middle School. So thanks so much for listening. We will see you next week. Thank you for listening to Live from the Path. And enjoy Buzz Gertsen, the Idaho Yobler. He's all alone, someplace unknown, to play the part.