Live From The Path · Season 2014, Episode 3
Authenticity vs. Holiness
Topics covered
- Authenticity vs holiness — Whether evangelical culture's emphasis on authenticity and brokenness has become a higher calling than holiness. ≈ 21:56
- Grace and good works — How to pursue obedience and holiness without treating works as a threat to grace or an attempt to save oneself. ≈ 21:56
- Biblical oils and discernment — Evaluating commercial essential-oil claims that borrow Bible references (hyssop, frankincense, myrrh, temple incense). ≈ 9:57
- Trust and anxiety in ministry — Trusting God to speak through you when asked to teach Scripture despite fear of getting it wrong. ≈ 43:01
- Hospitality and family boundaries — How adult children should receive visiting parents: as honored guests or as informal family. ≈ 49:17
- Parenting adult children — Responding with grace rather than judgment and reputation-management when adult children make destructive choices. ≈ 1:15:36
- Marriage and covenant love — Daily covenant commitment in marriage, expressed through a song written for a couple's thirty years together. ≈ 35:27
- Longing for God — The ache to tangibly see God face to face, expressed in the song 'Look In Your Eyes.' ≈ 3:29
- Faith in transition — Trusting God through a major life move, expressed in a song written after relocating to Iowa for worship ministry. ≈ 56:28
- Secular self-help vs Scripture — Testing a viral list of 'life lessons' against biblical truth, keeping what lines up and rejecting what doesn't. ≈ 1:00:29
- Compassion and redemption — God's compassion winning out: the torn curtain, the criminal's place taken, doubt turned to belief. ≈ 1:24:18
Segments
- Show open from the Pathway Studios 0:01–1:20
The produced intro plays, then the host opens the live show from the Pathway Studios in Johnston on a cold night. He introduces himself on-air as Ben Foose, 'the double minded man,' jokes that the nickname will never catch on, and previews a packed show: musical guest Chris Akers, an essential-oils-from-the-Bible class recap, a Gospel Coalition article on authenticity vs holiness, and possibly Dear LFTP letters.
- Guest Chris Akers introduced; tonight's topics previewed 1:21–3:28
The hosts introduce guest Chris Akers, who is stopping in to play a couple of tunes. The rundown for the night: 'the trepidatious stepping towards biblical oil use' after one host sat in an essential oils class earlier that day, 'absolute truths about life' that mostly aren't true, a Gospel Coalition article titled 'Has Authenticity Trumped Holiness?', pope-style advice, and possibly Dear LFTP letters from listeners who need help.
- Guest performs 'Look In Your Eyes' 3:29–9:57
Chris Akers introduces his newest song, 'Look In Your Eyes,' written from the ache of feeling distant from God – 'I see so many blessings from the Lord in my life… I wish I could see God. I wish I could look in his eyes.' He performs it live in the studio (the song goes online about two days later; a full-band version is planned). The hosts praise the honest songwriting and how the song names the hunger to feel God's tangible presence, 'a hand on my back.'
- Recap: essential oils from the Bible class 9:57–18:40
A host recounts attending an 'essential oils from the Bible' class that evening. The class tied product oils to Bible references: cleansing with hyssop, the Passover blood applied with a hyssop branch, frankincense and myrrh as anointing oils, and the temple incense formula – which, per Exodus, must not be replicated, so one company intentionally withholds an ingredient. He finds it interesting and would go again, but cautions against attaching Jesus' blessing to a product line: 'why don't you just call it Jesus' favorite and sell it to me for $85?'
- Sponsors: Eisenlauer team and pet care; site promo 18:41–21:55
Reads for the show's sponsors: the Eisenlauer team (Bob Eisenlauer, real estate – jokingly pitched as 'Eisenhower for mayor' with a demand to buy the domain first) and a full-service pet care hospital, plus a plug for livefromthepath.org, where Chris Akers' performances will be posted for the week.
- Discussion: has authenticity trumped holiness? 21:56–35:26
The hosts read and discuss a Gospel Coalition article asking whether evangelical culture has made 'being screwed up' a badge of honor – 'works righteousness' in reverse – so that authenticity outranks holiness. They work through the article's redefinition of hypocrisy (living out of conformity with what you believe is hypocrisy; living your beliefs in spite of your feelings is integrity, not hypocrisy), warn against lowering the bar to dodge the hypocrite label, discuss the fear that anything resembling good works is 'trying to save yourself,' note that Jesus' sermon instructions on joy are direct and applicable, and frame the kingdom of God as bigger than a salvation-only story: 'don't stop living the story.' One host admits the conversation convicts him.
- Guest performs 'I Choose Forever' 35:27–43:01
Chris Akers introduces 'I Choose Forever,' written for his parents' thirty years of marriage and drawn from things his father vowed to his mother on their wedding day – 'a kiss for your forehead every night.' He performs it live in the studio. Afterward the hosts react warmly, Chris's music and Facebook page are plugged, and there is banter about the spelling of his last name (A-K-E-R-S, Norwegian) versus 'Acres.'
- Pope-style advice: trust in God when teaching 43:01–49:17
A host delivers pope-style advice, framed by the running gag that crowds gather on his front lawn 'like the pope' demanding counsel. About two and a half years into following Christ, he was asked to teach a chapter of Luke to youth and froze with anxiety about misinterpreting Scripture – then discovered his passage was Luke 12's 'do not be anxious,' including the promise that the Holy Spirit will teach believers what to say when brought before authorities. The advice: trust in God, especially to speak through you. The hosts riff on the 'hyssop branch' threat as a running joke.
- Dear LFTP: how to host visiting parents 49:17–55:43
A listener asks: when parents who live many miles away visit their adult children, to what extent should they be treated as guests – especially when the kids help themselves and never offer? The hosts lean informal: parents are family, not guests, and would be expected to know where the fridge is. One host counters with the prodigal son's father throwing the robe around the returning son, arguing for extravagant welcome; another replies the parable is being force-fit ('an acre set') and the real issue may be generational – the parents wanting to feel known. Consensus: be hospitable, don't treat informality as a slight – and speak up if you're hungry.
- KTIA radio sign-off before the final song 55:43–56:16
The hosts note the show airs at 10 PM with a Saturday 7 AM rebroadcast on 99.3 KTIA, then send the radio audience out with one more song from Chris Akers as the podcast continues.
- Guest performs a song about trusting God in a move 56:28–1:00:29
Chris Akers performs a slow song (lyrics include 'a cup of stars' and 'will you stay here with me when I leave the coast'). Afterward he explains it is an honest prayer about trusting God: he had moved to Iowa the previous August from Washington state – having never heard of Ames – to play and lead worship at First Evangelical Free Church in Ames.
- Evaluating '37 life lessons' from the Huffington Post 1:00:29–1:15:36
In podcast-only territory, the hosts run through a Huffington Post list of '37 life lessons I learned so far,' testing each against biblical truth. They push back on 'happiness comes from within' ('go upward, not inward'), 'the world is our mirror,' and 'everybody comes into our life for a reason' (a burglar stealing a TV is 'a jerk,' not a lesson – though God can work sin for good); they accept 'hurt people hurt people' ('love them anyway – from 10 feet back with a hyssop branch') and 'let those you love know it.' The segment ends with banter about the prodigal son and the coining of the 'acre set' gag.
- Dear LFTP: a mother's disappointment in her adult daughters 1:15:36–1:24:17
A listener writes that her younger daughter has been dating a marijuana-smoking young man for less than a year, and her older daughter already has two children by two men; she is disgusted by their choices and adds, defensively, that she adopted them – 'I'm not a harlot.' The hosts push back on the judgmental, reputation-protecting framing: the decisions are already made and she can't change them, but backing off judgment doesn't mean checking out – she should stay present, love them, interject Jesus and grace, and aim at repentance without self-protection. One host: 'I'm King David style – I'll make a fool of myself if I think it will help my children.' The show's 'secular advice' counterpoint says to say nothing while angry but to text asking how she and John plan to support the baby.
- 'Weight of Hope' performance and sign-off 1:24:18–1:28:30
Chris Akers performs one last song, 'Weight of Hope' ('Today, compassion won out… Today, you tore the curtain down'), introduced as the high-energy closer, available on his website. The hosts thank him for coming on the show and sign off for the week.
Bible references
- Romans 3:23
all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God
- Psalms 51:7
they were talking about cleansing with hyssop
- Exodus 12:22
the blood of lamb combined with the scent of hyssop, kept the Lord from killing the
- John 19:29
the cross was high. They saw a hyssop tree sitting around
- Luke 12:11-12
do not be anxious about what you're going to say because the Holy Spirit will teach you what to say in that hour
- Luke 12:6-27
it talks about the five sparrows, and it talks about the lilies of the field
- Luke 15:11-32
the father waiting for the prodigal son to return… he throws his robe around him, and he makes him feel welcome
- Matthew 16:24
It's the whole picking up your cross daily
- 2 Samuel 6:14-22
I'm King David style. I'll make a fool out of myself if I think it will help my children
Key questions
- Has authenticity trumped holiness in evangelical culture? (hard-question)
- What is hypocrisy – failing to live by what I feel, or failing to live by what I believe? (hard-question)
- When distant parents visit their adult children, to what extent should they be treated as guests? (dear-lftp)
- How should a disappointed mother respond to her adult daughters' life choices? (dear-lftp)
- How can a new believer trust God when asked to teach Scripture despite fear of getting it wrong? (host-framed)
People
- Guest: Chris Akers
musical guest stopping in to play a couple of tunes
- Chris Akers
- Bob Eisenlauer
- Troy
Full transcript
Live from the Pathway Studios in Johnston proper. You are live from the path. And you're listening to Live From The Path. We're coming to you from the Pathway Studios
here at Johnston Proper. It's a cold, comfy night here in the studio, and it's good to see you. I'm Ben Foose, the double minded man. You don't think that's gonna catch on as always? No. It will never catch on. I kinda hope I'm not. You're listening to live from the path on livefromthepath,.org. We are I mean, it's jam packed full of a show. You ever seen those space bags where they they hook up the vacuum and they suck the air out for so you can get more storage? Ain't happening. Ain't nowhere in this bag, buddy. I mean, this show was jam packed full of stuff. We have in studio, Chris Acres. Chris, how are doing? I'm doing great. Good to be here. Yeah. Everybody says that. So, Chris right now He's
gonna he's gonna provide freezing. I got lost a little bit. I don't know how you do that in Iowa, but I managed to do it. This is the kind of honesty I'm talking about. By the way, it stinks in here, and I can't find the place. So Chris Akers is is kind enough to stop in and, share his musical talent with us. So he's gonna be playing a couple tunes for us. We have rounds of pope style advice going around. I'm gonna talk a little bit about, I don't know, the the trepidatious stepping towards biblical oil use. I sat in a class earlier today that kinda put the freak out to me, and so we talked about a little bit about that. And then there's an art there's a couple articles we might be talking about. The Huffington Post put out 27 truths about life and, like, absolute truths that everyone should look at. And I feel like most, if not all of them, are not true. So And we might be stepping through those a little bit. And, Ben, you had one thing? Yeah. I got an article, and this this kinda goes along with my pope style advice.
But the question is, there there's an article on the Gospel Coalition blog, and it was titled, has authenticity trumped holiness? And I'll give you the the paragraph that made me, I guess, think about think about this particular article. And, here's a quote. It says, there's this idea that to live out of, conformity with how I feel is hypocrisy, but that's a wrong definition of hypocrisy. To live out of conformity to what I believe is hypocrisy, to live in conformity with what I believe in spite of what I feel isn't hypocrisy. It's integrity. And so I I I think the the broad thought is is that we spend a lot of time talking about how messy we are, like how how much
God has saved us from. And I I just I wonder it's a correct thought. Right? Because because all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. But I I do wonder if that we spend a lot more time, I don't know, identifying and may maybe making ourselves feel better because we we all agree that we live messy messy lives, as opposed to actually, you know, reacting to things that God asked us to do. So, anyway, that's kind of the the vein of stuff that I wanna talk about, and my pope style advice kinda falls into that. Okay. Okay. Cool.
Also, tail end of the show, we're looking at we might try to hook up with some dear life from the past where there's some people out there that are just having a rough time and and and need help. They need advice. And sometimes the world doesn't offer the best of advice, and so they come here. I don't know if that's a good alternative, but that's the one we're offering. So to kick off the show, actually, we're gonna hail hear a little bit from Chris Acres. Now, Chris, you have a tune you wanna play for us called Look In Your Eyes. What's that about? So Look In Your Eyes is the latest song I've written. I'm gonna be putting it online here in about two days. Great working with my sister. She's making artwork for it. So it's a nice family affair. But it's a it's a song that was written, just kind of in the perspective of, you know what? I see so many blessings from the Lord in my life. You know, every day, just the fact that I'm in Iowa, honestly, is the coolest story. I just love it. But there are days
when you just feel kinda down or empty, and those are days when sometimes, know, I I wish I could see God. I wish I could look in his eyes, you know. So it's a kind of a song that speaks to that, the sense of that distance that we have right now. Even though he's right here, even though he's in my heart, even though he's in my mind, it would be great, you know? And I look forward to that day. Yeah. Just something tangible, something to to to hit right to the heart. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, I tell you what. Let's let's have a listen to it. Okay. You're listening to Chris Akers on Life From The Path, and we're listening to Look In Your Eyes.
I inhale the void upon the air that doesn't smell like your perfume. These frozen fingertips are relics of the fire decorate. I know you're living in my heart and in my mind, but I just wanna look in your eyes.
I just wanna look in your eyes. And I hate the weight of all this distance and this time when I just wanna look in your eyes. I just wanna look in your eyes. Oh. Oh.
Oh. I because I know that I deserve it here. I know you're living in my heart and in my mind, but I just wanna look in your eyes. I just wanna look in your eyes. Because I hate to wait a whole this distance and this time when I just wanna look in your eyes.
I just wanna look in your eyes. Oh, because you're crawling out to me in ways that I can't see. And I just wanna look in your eyes when I just wanna look in your eyes. Oh, you're crawling me on
in ways it won't let go. And I just wanna look in your eyes. I just wanna look in your eyes. Oh. Thank you, guys. First time ever. That was great. I like that. That's awesome. So so that one's that one's heading on the on the net for distribution?
Yeah. I've been working the last month just in my office with what little recording gear I have, and I'll be putting out kind of a full band version of that song. So Nice. That's gonna that's gonna be I really liked it. And here's and actually, we were just talking about this before we got on the air, but we were talking about some of the Christian artists that we really appreciate for their honest approach to songwriting. Like, I I mean and don't don't take this the wrong way, but there was a spell in modern Christian music wherein if you just put Jesus holy or glory in in the tune, you know, it got stamped on a CD and sold to people. Oh, well, I edited that out. Yeah. That's good because that would have ruined my joke. It's a new territory. But, like, I I I like I I didn't get that. Like, I really appreciate
more than just about anything, honest songwriting. And I I think that's the truth because most people don't wanna don't wanna take the time to admit that, like, sometimes, god, I just wanna I wanna I wanna see your face. I wanna feel more than I'm feeling now. I get what you're saying. I've read your Bible. I understand your heart. But, you know, but sometimes I just need to feel that hand on my back and and and Amen. Yeah. Yeah. And and, like, and and it would it just means a ton. Right? And and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that feeling. You're seeking the presence of the God that made you, and that's that's really healthy. That's not anything to be ashamed of. So I really liked it. Thank you. Yeah. Speaking of staying healthy, here's the deal. I attended a a essential oils from the Bible class this evening. I heard that was going on tonight. Here's the thing. I
okay. I I should start out with a disclaimer. I Circus Circus about two I'd say a year and a half ago, whatever. People touch start talking to me about using oils for Yeah. For things. And I'm like, no. WD 40. That's all I need. This sounds like some crazy voodoo business. You know what saying? Anything that that was apart from high health insurance and long waiting rooms. I'm like, no. I don't think so. That's not for me. You know? But long story short, so I've used some of these oils and I'm kind of impressed by them. Like they do what they say they're going to do. They're not FDA approved treatments for anything, but like they're natural. They're just, you know, oils from a plant. And and actually I've been fairly impressed. I I use them more than I thought. I I don't, you know, demonize those that do. I've just I've had a little bit of change of heart on it. I've seen them do some really good things. So parlay to that, I I attended a essential oils for the Bible class. And basically, it was to show, like, what parts of their product line were found in the Bible. And there were some really thin
I mean, really thin things strewn out. Like, there's things that are mentioned in the Bible that were that are are part of essential oils like hyssop. You know, I think David in one of the Psalms, was talking about cleansing with hyssop. Yeah. You know? And so, like, that that was referenced, and that's that's pretty straightforward. Frankincense and myrrh are both, plants where oils can be, you know, extracted from them and used for for things, and it was a big deal because Jesus had it and whatnot. And I'm like, okay. You know, I kinda see what you're saying. You know, the health benefits are just, you know, be above the moon as far as, you know, they explain it. But then it got to like, they were citing bible verses, and and they just put them up on a screen, and everyone's like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so I got out my pocket bible, aka my phone, and and I'm checking these verses. I'm like, I don't know. I don't remember ever saying anybody saying sparnard or whatever the name of this oil is in the bible. Because they were claiming that, like, Jesus was like, when the when the gal was was oiling cleaning cleansing his feet with the alabaster jar. Right? Yep. Yep. Then it was Spagnard. Spagnard. Spagnard. Right? Spagnard. And I'm like, I would've remembered if they just said Spagnard in the Bible. Like, I really I'd have seen it, you know? Yeah. That sounds like a like a masters of the universe villain. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Get get on the horses. Spike Nard has broken through, you know. So I thought it was axe. Yeah.
So That's disappointment. So I started looking up the verses. Right? And, like, they were talking about hyssop. And they said, okay. So what so one of the verses referenced was was when they were talking about painting the the the blood of the lamb over the doors. Yeah. So so God passed through and didn't kill the firstborn. And they're like and and and and they had it when they painted it, they painted it with hyssop branches. And so that means that that that that the the the blood of lamb combined with the scent of hyssop, kept the Lord from killing the firstborn. I'm like, well, you know, I feel like it didn't say that. You know, I feel like it said the lamb's blood's what done it. You know? And, like, this hyssop business that you're throwing in there, maybe it was just a handy brush. Maybe the hyssop plant has got a a fluffy end that was good for painting. I, you know, I don't know. I'm like, well, that's a little thin. And then their next example was so when Jesus was up on the cross and they offered the sponge full of of wine vinegar, whatever it was. Yep. Right? They're like, and and and he was offered to him with a hyssop branch. So when our savior was dying, he was smelling the sweet scent of hyssop. And I'm like, I feel like it was just a long stick. You know? Like, the cross was high. They saw a hyssop tree sitting around, and they had to put the thing on something. And hyssop is is fairly common in The Middle East in that area. And, like, I feel like it was just the closest one. It, like, wasn't preordained by the Lord to smell sweet hyssop. You know? And so, like, these are the things where I'm, like I I understand what you're saying. I feel like there's some there's some validity to these oils opposed to maybe, attacking your body with a bunch of, you know, preapproved steroids
of big that the government has says has said okay. You know? Like, they give us a lot of stuff. You know? And so I'm not against using all natural oils, but when you try to say attach the Lord Find a random verse and say now, see? Yeah. This is for you. The Lord loves hyssop. I'm like, he invented hyssop. You know, that's enough for me. I don't know if that means that, like, I gotta attach it to everything I own by a hyssop to Special blend. Yeah. I mean, you know, why don't you just call it the Jesus' favorite and then try to sell it to me for $85? That seems a bit far. You know? But I all that to say, like, I I went to this class, and it it was interesting at the least. I took a couple things away from it. But, like, you gotta run. Just because people say Jesus, you don't put that underneath your arm and carry it to the touchdown. You know I'm saying? You might wanna do a little Berean on it and make sure that, you know, hyssop isn't God's favorite tree ever, and it might just be the conduit in which other things are going down. So, Ben, you attended one of those class, didn't you? I did. And, you know, one of the interesting things about those folks is is they they have the the makeup of the oils that were used to do the the incense in the temple. And intentionally, if you remember, like, you're not supposed to make that stuff. Yeah. I remember that. There's danger in concocting this temple
waft. And so the company intentionally doesn't sell, like, one of the ingredients so that you can't buy the full spread from them and make the temple stuff. So so it's the Lord's temple, by the time. That's a good idea. Lord's temple light. That's a good idea. I I tell you what. So I I I have been one of those classics. I was interested in it. And, like, there there is a lot of anytime that you can take when you read in the Bible that you can just see it not see it from a different lens. Like, you're looking at it from a different perspective. Still true perspective, but a different perspective. It I think it always just adds adds more it adds depth to perhaps what we otherwise get. Right? Like, I might just think,
frankincense, myrrh. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Great. Something some sort of something that indicated people had money. Like, that's what I think. Right? There is depth to understanding what those were for. There is depth to understanding how, what oils people were anointed with, because you could anoint them with with with anything, but they used certain things. And so, like, there there were certainly some interesting things to take from it. It doesn't make, you know, Jesus higher on the throne than before. Right. You know, it doesn't make the the oils holy, but but it's certainly interesting. So I'll put it that way. I I would go again. Yeah. I thought it was interesting. Yeah. Here yeah. I it was more of an open up to, like, the culture of that day. Like, just it's here's the thing. It's it's like saying that the culture that Jesus was born into was a more holy culture just because Jesus was there. Right? So you take the things that happened during Jesus' time and go, this must be the holiest of times because that's when the Lord appeared. I don't really see it that way. And so just because they use those oils to heal in that in that culture, just because Jesus was around during that time period, I don't know that that puts his blessing on it. You know? It just means that's the culture he was in. I mean, there is something there is something you can learn from those things. And a lot of times, what you'll see in a modern culture is we people grasp very shallow representations of things that were going on in Jesus' day, and then they exploit it into something that it isn't. So, I mean, understanding the historicity
of some of that stuff, I think it's certainly interesting. You just be careful with what you do with it. Yeah. Yeah. And and listen. Don't get me wrong. Like like I said, I'm not against these oils. Like, I feel like some of them work, and and and they work well and maybe better than modern medicine. And and, you know, you're not buying into a you know, what most of you as a broken down, you know, Rob Peter to pay Peter, Paul, Steven, Bob, and Timbo health care system. You don't say it? It's just an oddball setup. Like, I'm just more leery of connecting the saint making an oil a saint. You know saying? They get into the trap of I mean, it is a business, and that's okay to have a business. Nothing wrong with a business. They make money. But then they have to they feel like they need a scriptural justification for every single part of the business. Yeah. So see? That's what they're doing. It's like, well, we got to pull this over here and this over here, and this is why we have this. And maybe it's just a cool oil. Well, that's the thing. And, like, here's the deal. Like, I didn't find the lady to be, like, you know, wrong or or she didn't give me the spiritual willies or anything. Like, I've been around people that give me the spiritual willies. They talk about God, and I'm like, I'm not I'm not getting a true God thing from you. I'm getting a stomachache. And, like, I don't like that. Mhmm. I didn't get that from this gal. Like, she seemed pretty straight up and up. And and so it was all okay, but, like, it just it just seems like you don't need to you don't need to stretch stretch it so thin. Right? Were they were they cleansing with hyssop oil? Yeah. They were. David did it. Right? There's enough proof right there. I mean, to to to to take the the doorpost stick and then make it holy and then the stick that produced the gall wine vinegar, make that holy too. I don't know. It just seems like circumstance to me. You know? Yeah. So, anyway, you know, I I had to attend one I I think I'd probably attend one again, but just, you know, like I said, Berean it up. Make sure you make sure you look at you know your bible. Don't get don't get easily taken in. I'm not saying they're wrong. I'm just saying make sure the bible agrees with what they're saying and not the other one around. Yeah. Yeah. You're listening to life from the path. We do come at you every Monday night here at lifefromthepath.org from ten to eleven.
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Alright. So here's here's what I ran across this week. It was an article on the gospelcoalition.org. It it titled, has authenticity trumped holiness? And I'll just read a couple sections of this, and I'll kinda maybe we can talk about it a little bit. So it says in recent years, evangelical Christianity has made its imperfection a point of emphasis. Books were published with titles like Messy Spirituality, God's Annoying Love for Imperfect People, Death by Church, and Jesus Wants to Save Christians. And churches popped up with names like Scum of the Earth and Salvage Yard. I hadn't heard that.
Yeah. There's a Salvage Yard Church in Des Moines. Is it really? Yeah. I thought they were get I thought it was a clever name for an actual salvage joint. And when I found out it was a Jesus place, I left quickly because I was trying to get deals. And I don't I'm here to turn deals there. Yeah. Yeah. I I mean, I thought they were selling stuff. I like scum of the earth. Yeah. Man, I'm really disappointed. I'm here to turn in copper. Yeah. Actually, pathway is kinda suburbia. Yeah. It Man. Gotta rethink that. Let's see. Okay. Meanwhile, self deprecating humor sites like Stuff Christians Like. Hey, man. Woah. Acuff from Stuff Christians Like is gonna be on in May. Yeah. My get my elders. Become hugely popular repositories of Christianity's many warts.
Evangelism, both on the individual and institutional level, is trying hard to purge itself of a polished veneer that smacked of hypocrisy. But by focusing on brokenness as proof of our realness and authenticity, have evangelicals turned being screwed up into a badge of honor, its own sort of works righteousness? Has authenticity become a higher calling than, say,
holiness? You're gonna need to break that down in more layman's terms, Ben. So so I think the question is and and this is kind of the quote that I that I talked about earlier. Do we feel like Christians run from hypocrisy. Right? I don't wanna be the hypocrite. I don't wanna be the guy that's acting like I'm better than everybody else because that's a dirty lie. Everybody knows that's not true. I'm not better than anybody else. I just know the guy that is. Right? I know Jesus. That's that's that's the distinction.
And so but I but I I think what they're trying to point out here is that to live out of conformity with what you feel is hypocrisy. So I feel this way, and if I don't act like that act this way, that's also hypocritical as opposed to to living out of conformity with what we believe is hypocrisy. Here's what I say I actually believe in, and I'm not living that way. That's hypocritical
as opposed to having to drag had to drag your behavior down into the muck so that you're not a hypocrite. Right? Basically, lower the bar of how you're supposed to behave so that you're not hypocritical and your language to get those things to be the same. Okay. I think That makes sense. I think I feel what's going on here. So what so basically what you're saying is and I and maybe I guess this is true in my life. But I've met some fellas that used to go to a very stodgy, as far as I could see it, judgmental church. They did you know, they they they did not accept these the the guys I was talking to. They were very harsh with them, and they just didn't feel the love of Christ there. Right? And so and they swore like sailors.
So now granted, I'm gonna admit I've done this, right? Like, I will lower my language barrier to to about where they belong, to say, look, you know, Jesus loves me. I talk like you. Right? I didn't do it on purpose. Like, I'm not saying that I was purposely like, hey, I'm gonna start swearing now, you know, to make you more comfortable. Can we hang up more often? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like like but I'm not gonna say I haven't done that. Right? Like, I don't make I don't make any attempt to hide the fact that I still swear on occasion. I just do. Right? Like, the Lord has redeemed me from a lot of stuff in my life and a lot of mistakes that I made, and and my tongue still gets away from me on occasion. Right? And, like, I hate to see people who have been rejected from church because they swear on occasion. Right? I know the love of Jesus Christ. I know I still have faults. And right? And so sometimes I go overboard with that and attempt to show, hey, I'm I am a a messed up sinner just like you. See? The people that judged you, had no right to do that. Jesus has love for you. But instead of setting an example of a higher bar, I just say, hey. Look. The guys that judged you first were wrong. Right? We never quite get to the second step. Does that make sense? Yeah. And I I think maybe that's that's part of what I'm what I'm thinking is is, we've we we never allow people when we do that, what we do is we we cast
we cast redemption without actually them getting to feel it. Right? They get to they get to feel the hear the truth of redemption. Here's what it's like to live a a life with peace, joy, and happiness, and the things that aren't destroying you. And there's a reason Jesus talks about that. Right? There's a reason in Matthew five to seven when on the sermon on the mountain, he's saying, look. Here's how we live in the kingdom. A lot of that's for your protection. It's not because he he wants to set up a series of elitists. He's like, this is this is how we live because this represents me. And and this this fills your life with peace and joy. And so a lot of times, though, we wanna tell people that, but make make sure that it's clear that, like, you know, you're still a sinner, though. So, like, it's you're you're acting this way, and that doesn't mean, like, you're worse. And and, like, I get the I get the grace behind that, but, like, I I feel like we're not actually pointing to people to a life where they actually get to experience some of the things that Jesus promises because we're we keep meeting them at the low low denominator as oppose as opposed to, like, okay, redemption. Awesome. Follow Jesus out of it. We just accept the truth of redemption and then sit in it. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's exactly right. Like well, I I I think I feel what you're saying here is is that, like, while the redemptive, you know, portion, like like, Jesus had had died for for our sins. True. Right? But when he's talking about joy, he's talking about the life that he has set up for you. And, like, when he talks on the sermon about, those are those are direct
applicable things to your life. Here's what you do to produce joy. Right? Like, people always wanna rage against some of the rules, like especially when it comes to sexual immorality. Like, they they just wanna buck that system all day long. But but, like, when you can get to the point where you're trusting God with your joy, he says, hey. I I promise you this is gonna cause you more pain than joy. If you if you go this way, I just promise you there's gonna be more pain associated with it than joy. And the thing is is, we generally don't believe him when he says that. Right? When we say like like when it's time to tell a little white lie so you don't get yelled at by your boss. Right? He's saying, promise you there's more joy in just being honest than there is avoiding this, small chewing you're gonna get when you get there. Right? And like we don't we tend not to believe that. And so, like we do, we sit in the we sit in the salvation realm of God died for our, of Jesus dying for our sins, but never quite get to the point where we get to experience the joy that he had set out for us because we do we don't move from the muck. We're like, we're saved because we're messed up and only Jesus is good. And then the joy is available, and we never quite take the invitation for the joy. You know? Yeah. And and I I think relative and I I think I know where some of this comes from. It's there's a danger, I think.
People are always very hesitant on works. Right? Like, are you you're trying to save yourself by works. You're trying to act like you're a good person so that Jesus will love you. And, like, that's a basic lie. It's a that's the gospel. The good news of the gospel is that you couldn't do it, but Jesus did. Okay? That's the truth. But along those same lines, we then stop and, like, and get, I think, nervous around anything that looks like good works as if you're trying to save yourself. But, like, that's not the root of it. The root of it if you look at so Ephesians two is is where they a lot of times this comes as by for by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not your own doing. It is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. Agreed. Right? But but look at verse 10. For we are his workmanship created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them. That's it's not a salvation issue. It's like you're saved because Jesus died on the cross for your sins. But, like, he as part of his whole deal is he's prepared good works for you to walk in for the further of his kingdom and, again, for for your joy and peace. And, like and I we we kinda cut that off because anything that that looks like good works, we're like, well, you know, guy's trying to save himself, trying to look like a real pious dude. And, like, it's it's always a hard issue. It's always a hard issue. And I I'm I'm afraid that sometimes to make sure that people who who are running from Jesus see that everyone has run from Jesus at some point that we kind of put on the, hey. I'm kind of running from Jesus too mask so that they're comfortable. And and and, like, I I don't want you to feel more comfortable in that state. I want you to be redeemed from that state and totally live in the peace that lives beyond it. But I think the motivation is that we want to be relevant to the person who's not a follower. I think that's that's the
heart of what's what's what's getting here. Yep. But then we've given up in in many times given up that desire that that, you know, holiness in order to be relevant. Like like we don't even bother to grow because well I just I'm just trying to reach as many people as I wanna be relevant. I wanna stay I wanna stay so people can understand that crisis for everybody, even people like you. And so I will act in such a way that makes you feel comfortable where you're at. We're we're the junkyard church. You just come here and be junk. We don't we don't that's okay. It's alright. We're all junk. It's at some point, you're supposed to take that next step, and and you're you're supposed to grow and and you you strive toward holiness because he is holy. Well, but yeah. I mean, but think about think about that. I think that talks to both what both you guys are saying. Like, the biggest leaps I've made in my spiritual life and my relationship with God is because he has made me feel so uncomfortable in the way that I was living. Right? Like, that's kind of what the Holy Spirit does to you. Right? When you invite the Holy Spirit to to to to live inside you and and and help start guiding your life, he will make the things that are robbing your joy feel very uncomfortable to you. And and and you know, like like you try to say, like, well, it's kind of a a gray line. The scripture's not real clear on it. The holy spirit is always clear, and he makes you feel very uncomfortable. What you're doing say that intimacy with God changes people. Yes. The closer you are to to to Christ, mean, he just reveals that like, okay. I need to do some adjustment here.
When we shelter ourselves from that in order to be relevant, we we miss that. Dang. I feel convicted by this conversation. And the only the reason I brought it up is because I kinda felt that way. I thought, you know, I'm I'm guilty of that. And and I think the the thing is is is when when the when the Bible talks about the the good news and it's talking about the kingdom of God, I feel like we're we're stopping short. We're stopping short, and it's and and we say, grace, salvation, I'm good. And then there's, like, much more beyond that. And and I don't like, we we don't always move beyond. We just kinda sit in the in the words of the good news, and we don't we don't live it out, and we have totally have that opportunity to do it. You guys need to follow me. I'm as irrelevant as they come. Agreed.
I like that guy. Yeah. Bummer. And that actually, so that that that was kind of the focus last week, and I didn't get to it, but of the pope style advice. For you guys haven't seen the show, so the premise of the pope style advice is, like, let's say someone shows up on your lawn or you get, like, 200, 300,000 people show up on your lawn like the pope. More and more people show up when I'm the pope. I understand. So you know how the pope goes out. He goes out on that little stand, and he raises his hand, and he starts talking to people. Right? So someone has mistaken you for the pope, and you have to give them some sort of advice. Otherwise, they'll never leave your lawn. K? And so that's that's the pope style advice. And and mine was, for last week, and it and it fits right into where this article was, was like, don't God didn't stop telling the story, so don't stop living the story. Like, God didn't God didn't say, here's good news, and then just kinda stop and say, sit in that for a while. Like, he he he speaks of a whole kingdom that exists. And a lot of times, we're like, like, repent. Don't stop. And it's not it's not that you're not saved, but it's like, boy, I feel like we're missing out. It's the whole picking up your cross daily.
Yeah. Not just that one time. Well and and that's interesting. It's like, if you think about where that's at where that's at in Matthew. Right? Like, he that's not a salvation context, picking up your cross. Like, it could point to that. You can look back at it, but, like, he hadn't died on the cross yet. His his terms at that time was, I'm I'm doing a failed revolution. Right? I'm gonna lead a a revolution, and I will die doing it. That's how people died who had a failed revolution is they died on crosses. And Jesus is looking at these people and saying, hey. Hey. I'm leading a revolution, and it's going to fail. You do it too. You know what I'm saying? Like, we we look at the salvation contest, and it tells that really you know, it's a story. But think about it to the people that were hearing that when he said it. They hear it much differently than we hear it because we have the we have the context of him dying on that cross
for from a salvation perspective. They don't have that context. He's just a failed revolutionary that's saying, you're gonna do it too. And in that context, that's a living. How are you going to live? You're gonna live as a person that lives opposite of what's going on around you, and they're gonna kill you for it. Yeah. And that's different. It's a way different perspective to both people. More empowering and not near as burdensome. Right? Like, people usually like to beat you over head of that verse and be like, it's you know, carry the burden of Christ with you every day and and, you know, and instead of that, like, it's it's it's almost a verse of freedom and joy. Right? Like, here's what you're gonna do. You know? Like, get started with it. Yeah. So Pick it up. Make it a run. Yeah. So, anyway, that that was that was my and maybe that that pope style advice is is, I don't know, 300,000 of me standing in the lawn saying, man, don't don't stop. God's pointed to to weigh other things. And and and I feel and sometimes you don't do that because you don't know. I think we we we've made a failure a little bit of that as a church is is all the pamphlets and stuff we have are are a salvation perspective. We don't we don't do very well on on educating how Jesus or how Paul talked about, hey. What is what does the kingdom of God look like outside of this? Because we we point to the one thing rightfully so. Don't don't you gotta hear me right on this. Right? I'm not I'm not distracting from purpose of Christ on the cross, but what I'm saying is he he spoke more. There's it's beyond. There's a kingdom of God that that that came when Christ came, and I I feel like sometimes we just stop.
So and and and that that kingdom is is it's the the shadow of the cross cast above it, but it it's not it's not the entire story. Yeah. Okay. That's it. So I agree. I liked it, man. Alright. Let's hear from Chris Akers some more. Yeah. Chris Akers, hold on. So we got we got, another song coming up called I choose forever. You got a story behind that one? Yeah. And I feel like it almost kinda ties into a little bit of what we've been talking about. You're taking taking what you've been given and continuing to be committed to that and running with it every day. You know? This is a song I wrote for my parents who have been happily married for thirty years now, and I got to sing this with my siblings on the beach of the lake that they first went on their first date. This is a
song that's it's really personal to me. And so some of the lyrics are about things that my dad vowed to my mom on their wedding day, like, you know, simple things. Here's a kiss for your forehead Yeah. Every night, you know, but I'm gonna I'm gonna give you that every night, you know, so that you know that I love you every day, you know. So that's what it's about. I on this day, I choose forever. So This is you're listening to I choose forever, from Chris Akers on Live From The Path. I can crawl, I can walk, honey. I can run, I can breathe, I can talk, I can touch the sun, I can be anything,
but it comes to nothing without you. I get up, I get down, I get in between, I get lost, I get found in our agency, and I can shout at the wind, but it won't agree without you. Oh, I tell you what you are,
A wonderwork of art. Take me till my days run out. Because I give you my heart, and I give you my life. And I choose forever.
I choose forever. Hey, I give you my heart, and I give you my life, I choose forever. I choose forever.
So here's a kiss for your forehead every night. Here's the key to my heart. Here's a cord we tie with faith, hope, and love. Faithful in love together. And I don't care if the colors fade away. I don't care if the laughter comes in pain. All I want is you're better and you're worst forever because I give you my heart.
I give you my life and I choose forever. I choose forever. Hey, I give you my heart and I give you my life.
I choose forever. I choose forever. Oh, love, I tell you what you are. A wonder work of art. Take me till my days run out.
I tell you what you are, a wonder work of art. Won't you take me till my days run out ahead. I give you my heart,
and I give you my life. And I choose forever. I choose forever. Yeah. I give you my heart, and I give you my life.
I choose forever. I choose forever. Yes, I give you my heart. And I give you my life I choose forever.
I choose forever. Hey, love. I give you my heart. I give you my life and choose forever. I choose forever. You guys are great. Thank you. I really like that one too. That was awesome. So
it made me wanna hug boova. I don't I don't know. I I can't explain it. Bring it on. Yeah. We we welcome hugs here. Yeah. But are there any dry eyes on the beach when you guys were Oh, I hope not. You know? You don't wanna be able to see after a song like that. I I have to I have to close my eyes because, yeah, if I see my parents sitting right there Yeah. Singing. I can't imagine. And and plus on top of that, you know, having my brother and my sister right next to me singing that. Yeah. My brother, phenomenal guy, but he doesn't pour his heart out in song that often. So to hear him just embrace this, like, just grabbed it, he he cut loose. And Like, eyes closed, Michael Bolton style? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Tail and Bowie. Kevin Jack Sparrow. Yeah. You know that. It was but it was really cool. So
banner moment for me. Actually, you know what? The it it was it was funny. I was listening to that song, and I'm like, I hope I leave that impression on my kids. You know what saying? Like, I really hope that that my marriage speaks that to my kids. And so Me too, man. Yeah. Seriously. That yeah. That was excellent. I really liked it. Now if people wanted to hear that one, that was not quite online yet. Right? It's not there yet. Okay. But it's heading that direction. That's you know, so many songs up here, and it's hard to choose which one to go for next. But I feel good about that one. So I feel the same way when I'm looking at, say, sleeveless t shirts. You know, like, there's so many that make me look good, and sometimes I have a hard time picking them Yeah. Incidentally, what you cannot find is my sleeveless t shirt wearing, but what you can find is more music from Chris Akers. You can find it on Spotify. You can like his Facebook page. It's just straight up Chris Space Akers Facebook. Right? It's just at facebook.com/chrisacresmusic. Yeah. Chrisacresmusic.
So Now do you have a simple. Do you have a personal Facebook that we could connect with you on a more personal level, or will you deny us if you don't know who we are? I'd like to know who you are first. You know? So So so hit the corporate page, and then we might advance from there. Yeah. If you provide me with your Social Security number in a way that you can be reached, then, yeah, I'd be happy to be here. Yeah. That's fair. We'll start out we'll start out with boovahs. And then if if you're if you're responsible with that one, then I'll give you mine. Right. Absolutely. There's a lot less at stake with mine. But you can also find it on you can find music on ReverbNation and also Bandcamp. So those are excellent places to check out. Yeah. Check out chrisacres.bandcamp.com. My last name is spelled weird, a k e r s. I think it's Norwegian. So you might get that wrong otherwise. Oh, yeah. Because other people might spell might spell it like for land. Land Danish. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Got that a lot as a kid. Yeah. Actually, that'd be a that'd be a funny entendre to name your farm, like, when you're older. Chris Acres.
That's why I moved to Iowa, man. I mean, it's not awesome funny, but it's I mean, it's 25%. Yeah, Mike. That was great. It's getting a little hot in here. It's it's getting a little weird. I feel like the embarrassment has turned off the thermostat. I'm pretty excited, man. I have a weirdly spelled last name as well, and I I put something out in the Facebook. And I I guessed a k e r s, so I'm I'm pretty excited about it. I feel like your name is not spelled You're my hero, man. Yeah. Engeldinger? I feel like your last name is just weird in general. Buva might be pretty easy to spell with a b, o o, v a. But my actual name of Troy Engeldinger, you have no idea how many people mess that up. Yeah. But that's what I'm saying. It's not spelled funny. It's just a weird name. Like, just comes with the name being weird, like Schottenfreude. Did you see it in the industry? Like, that can't be real. Schottenfreude. He made that up. It's his code name, Engeldinger. Engeldinger. Alright. You're listening to life for the path. Sorry. Chris came here and did something awesome, and then it went off the rails. Yeah. Sorry, Chris. That's
what it's like in here. It's been nice to be a foost. Four letters. Buva, did you have some Pope style? I did. And, because it's now my Pope style advice means 290,000 people have left my front lawn because Ben's Pope style advice is 300 k minus 10 k. Ben just chased him away. Right. Ben chased him away with his his advice, and there's 10 k left over. They're out everybody left and started not doing good works and then patting themselves on the back. Exactly. And then they saw Troy and thought, hey. Wonder if this guy knows where the bathroom Hey. Is that guy up there? Alright. We'll talk to him too. So
this week, I actually it's an incredible experience that I got to do that that in in my Christ following lifetime so far of about two and a half years. I finally got to teach youth about the Bible. And I've been doing this for for a while now. I started teaching a Sunday school on on Sunday mornings with the high school youth last year, And I I've taught off of books, and I've taught off of different video series, and I I really enjoyed doing that, but it wasn't the Bible. It was the interpretations of the Bible written by someone else. So there was a lot less at stake in my heart is what I thought. And recently, I got asked to teach a chapter of Luke in our youth group on Wednesday nights,
and my first reaction was, oh, no. I got the butterflies in the stomach deal, and it just it it completely shut me down because I thought to myself, okay. So if I read a book wrong and I I misinterpreted a little bit and I I told these kids some life lessons that, yeah, maybe it wasn't the greatest thing, but at the same time, maybe it wasn't the worst thing in the planet. Oh, well. But if I'm misinterpreting the heart of God on this, and I'm really getting the Bible wrong, there's some serious stuff at stake with that. And it just it it clicked different in my mind. Here's where where my advice comes from, and here's what I'm gonna tell to the the 10,000 people that are looking for the bathroom.
Trust in God. I cannot simplify it more than that than trust in God, especially when it comes to just letting him speak through you and use you as a tool. I was so worried about what I was gonna say, and I was so worried about what I was gonna teach, and it's hysterical because I taught Luke 12. And in Luke 12, coincidentally is do not be anxious. Literally, I'm reading through this, and I find the portion, do not be anxious, And it talks about how if you are brought in front of the authorities of the world,
do not be anxious about what you're going to say because the Holy Spirit will teach you what to say in that hour. And that's the verses that I'm worried about teaching to these kids. But it does also say if it's the youth group, he pretty much leaves you on your own. Right? Yeah. Exactly. I don't go in there. If it's not the legal authorities, those kids are crazy. I'm not going in there. No. It just it just hit me. It was funny because I'm I'm sitting there, and I'm about to teach on not being anxious. And I'm the one that before we walk in there, I prayed with the leaders. I'm just like, guys, I have serious I have butterflies in my stomach right now because I'm so nervous. And for the people that don't know, I train for a living. I teach adults for a living. I'm a training team manager. So there's no reason why being a facilitator of anything should be a nervous wreck for me, but it just was.
But lo and behold, the the wonderful God and creator of our universe just decided to just grab on my heart and just say, hey, Troy, guess what? It's okay. It's it's a good thing he did because I was about ready to hit him with a hissip branch. Yeah. I mean, he was like, hey, man. You don't wanna know what's on the s end of this hissip branch. That's right. I'm a smack you with it, though. I'm gonna get your anxiety out of here before I hit you. Hey, Mike. That's not I think I even said to Mike, hey, man. At any point in time you feel like I'm I'm saying something stupid, just stop me. And he's like, oh, I know I will. I'm like, thanks. Yeah. I I actually had some pre pre pre written down interjections I was gonna use, like, you kidding me? I practiced it on the Drakkar on the way in. I'm like, does that sound too harsh, wife? She's like, no. That's about great. Okay. Are you kidding me? No. That's too much. Practice it on the what? On the wife. I I I Ryan, you say Drakkar?
I didn't in the car. Drakkar y. Drakkar. That's what I thought. Like Cologne. I got this image of you driving, talking to a bottle of men's cologne. I sprayed it on Hyssop. I have all my conversations in one car. He's a feisty one. Speak to me, Detourlas. His discernment is the best He's got the best advice. And when he doesn't agree with me, I say, well, you're no hyssop. Get in the backseat. Oh, buddy.
So so what it boils down to is just trusting God. And and I know that I'm I'm getting to one specific portion, especially a very specific portion of of teaching on the Bible. But when it comes down to it, just trusting God in a lot of different things. I think that we get completely pushed away by by our daily our our lives and our day to day lives and everything like that of all the stuff that happens, and we just don't stop and think to ourselves, hey, guess what? We are the sons and daughters of the creator of this entire universe. And when all of it happened, he knew everything you were ever gonna do and everything you've ever done and everything about you, and he still loved you enough to send his son to die for on the cross. I mean, all those amazing acts of wonder and of love and majesty that God has,
and we worry about this kind of stuff. And it talks about the five sparrows, and it talks about the the lilies of the field that were more beautiful of Solomon. Just just stop. Seriously, stop and think to yourself, am I honestly worrying about this? Why am I worrying about this? Because there's nothing that you're gonna do that is gonna change anything. God has it completely in control, and he is much more wise than you are. So his outcome is gonna be much more just and much more wise than yours would be. You gotta get off my lawn. No. But yeah. You're making me nervous. Yeah. The bathroom's three get anxious about this whole thing. The bathroom's three doors to the left. Yeah. You know, I I've I've had that I've had a similar thought to that before,
you know, when I was preaching something. And, like, especially if you come to a conclusion that do you feel like somebody's come to a different conclusion? You're just like, uh-oh. Feel like this might maybe I'm not right here. But
but here's the deal is, you know, it's it's they're God's people. He they may even block you out the hole however long you're gonna talk. Even if you get up and say the wrong thing, he might be just be changing it before it hits your ear. Go ahead and do that stuff. I think you're gonna think you're gonna be fine. He does. Alright. You ready? Dear life from the path. You got time for one these, Ben? Yeah. We got one. Yeah. Go ahead. Okay. Dear life from the path. When parents who live many miles away from their adult children visit their homes, to what extent should they be treated as guests? When we visit our son, our daughter-in-law gets herself a snack and then sits down to eat it and watch TV, and there we sit. She never offers us a thing. Are we expecting too much, or doesn't she have any manners?
Also, when we have a meal in their home, they get their own beverages and never mention anything about what is available to us. We're not used to this kind of treatment. Have you any thoughts on how to handle this without causing it a rift? You want me you want me to tell you what I think's happening there? Yeah. Go. Okay. When they walk in the door, you look at them and you think, that's a grown man and a grown woman. They understand that there's food and drink available and they know how to run the sink, the refrigerator, and the stove. Like, I mean, I I I realized that when your parents come to town, you can be hospitable. But but, like, I walk into my mom's house all the time and just eat whatever's in there. You know what saying? I I mean, you're a grown person. Get yourself something to drink. These are people you have lived with for years. I mean, it's not like you, you know, you're you're the neighbor. Yeah. I mean This isn't Downton Abbey, man. Get get yourself a soda. You know, what's the prob I mean, what are Just properly sit there on the couch and be like, hey, Steven. We haven't been served. Shush,
Marie. Wait. The butler must happened. The butler must be on vacation. Yeah. We'll wait him out. Wait. Am I understanding right, though? It's the parents visiting the kids. Yeah. Yes. And they're upset because they're not offering them things to drink or making a snack. Yeah. Hi, Dan. I haven't seen you in while. Clock bar? Anybody? Clock bar. No? I got grapes. So okay. So if my parents
showstopper. I know. They really did. So the conversation continued when he was talking to a man's perfume bottle. Yeah. But you managed to stop it with your fruit. Hey, man. There's nothing wrong. Grapes are good, man. Leave it alone. Yeah. So if my if my parents were still around and and they came over to my house at any point in time, I would not offer them anything. I would expect them to know that there's something in the fridge. I would expect them to know that they are more than welcome to anything. They kind of fed me for eighteen years, and everyone that knows me knows that that was a lot of food. Yeah. Like, a lot. They they kind of earned the right to just come over to my house and raid my fridge whenever they want. Here's the deal. I'm not gonna say it's not the better part of Valor to be offering people stuff up when they're at your place. Yeah. It's nice. So, I mean, there is some hospitality in that, just normal function, but not to the extent where I would be offended. Like, if you're thirsty, say, hey, man. You got any drinks around here? I mean, you may only have to say it once and be like, well, she always wants something to drink. People do. Yeah. Something about this interpretation
don't sound right. Like, the way they're telling it, this daughter-in-law, you know, like, grabs a brisk tea and a bag of Doritos, gives a head nod to the mom and dad and plops down for TV. Like, I can't believe that's how it goes down. No one is that outrageous. Acres, where are at on this thing? I don't know if I'm totally in line, actually. No. You're offering up food. Yeah. Obviously, I want them to feel like, hey. Yeah. You fed me for years, but, hey. Maybe they just drove for 2,000 miles to come see me. That's my situation. So I would at least want them to know, I am glad you're in my house. So I almost look at it as like,
here, let's pull something out of the bible, and we'll see if that's actually a good place to go. But, like, the father waiting for the prodigal son to return. Right? Well, he throws his robe around him, and he makes him feel welcome. And I I don't know. I just that joy of seeing that person there, extending the hospitality after that point, then, yeah, you know, then they can fend for themselves. Hey, Chris. What you just did there was take what you wanted to do, took the last half of a story Uh-huh. And then and then pressed it upon a situation that doesn't it doesn't fit. You guys love that here. Yes. I feel like the prodigal son does not match my old man came over her. But, I mean, I get what you're saying. I I feel like there's no reason to be, I don't know, rude about it. You think there's any way the parents aren't telling the full story here? Like, feels like they're trying to get a dig on,
at the at the daughter-in-law. That's what it feels like to me, unless I'm just reading it that way. I think it's a generational thing, and they might be maybe stretching it a little bit. You you know? I mean, I I I can't imagine them to say, hey. There's there's stuff in in in the kitchen. If you want something, or or or it's just assumed. I I can't imagine even having that conversation with with one of my parents. You know? They just they just knew where stuff I mean, it's I I offer my mom and dad drinks when they come over. You know? I I do that. I'm not saying that I'm defending the their behavior a 100%, but, like, I don't know if I'd wanna make an issue out of it. Right? Like, I go to people's places. I drink a lot of soda. In fact, I don't drink water at all. I just drink soda. So I don't, like, go to people's houses except for Ben's house and throw up a big stink if there's no soda in there. Right? I just stop and grab my own on the way in, and it's just done deal. Right? So, like, if you know this is their habit, grab yourself a chicken leg and and and a 32 ounce from the Casey's, and then you go. I so here's the I'm I'm with Acres that I think that there's there's something about hospitality. Right? There's something about being intentional and making people feel welcome. However, I'm not sure that I agree with the perspective. I think it's a nice thing to do. I'm not sure I agree with their perspective of feeling like
that there's that there's something owed there. Like, there's a slight happening. It is a very is it a very gracious way to treat people? It is a is a good way to honor people, but I don't feel dishonored if someone doesn't do that. Let me put it that way. It sounds like kind of a difference in heritages maybe. Yeah. You know? Like here, we we feel really good about our family and, yeah, feel welcome. This has been our tradition, but it sounds like these parents probably raised these children under the expectation that, hey. You have manners. So they've come to this house, and their son is suddenly not who they thought it would be. And I think at the heart of it is this desire to be known. You know? I want you to acknowledge that I'm here, and the way that we've done that in the past is through hospitality. So there's where I feel you know, it's important to hear both sides of the story, and I'd love to see you know,
shouldn't the son know that about his parents? No. That's true. He might be a bit callous. Like, he he may able figure that out, especially his mom. You know what saying? You see that coming from your mom. He kinda sold his wife under the boat, actually. Yeah. They're kinda dependent on the daughter-in-law. They didn't raise her. He should know better. Yeah. I'm with Acres on that one. Alright. You wanna hear Secular's advice? Hit it. Secular says, assume that your daughter-in-law behaves this way because she doesn't know any better. As for your son, because he wasn't raised this way, he is either thoughtless, rude, or following his wife's lead. Because you're all family, things should be informal. The way to handle it is to speak up and tell your host that you're hungry and or thirsty too. If it's said with a smile, it shouldn't cause a rift. I'm I am totally sure. Hey. Follow me. Follow me in my rude behavior towards your parents. Man. Okay. You want you wanna do one more? You got time for one more? No. No. No. No. No. Let's let's hear one more song from Chris Acres to take out our ninety nine point three broadcast. Okay. Well, let's do let's do Cup of Stars. I think we got we got time for it. So so you are listening to Life From The Path. We broadcast every Monday night at lifefromthepath.org
at 10PM and rebroadcast on Saturdays at 07:00 on ninety nine point three KTIA. Here's the deal. For you guys listening on KTIA, I'm gonna have to let you go. I'm gonna send you out with the delicious stylings of Chris Akers. For you guys that are listening online or on the podcast, we got some more show to go, so please hang on. Go ahead and, Chris, take it away. Alright. Thanks, guys. A cup of stars and I pour them into the sea.
Feet in the icy water head reclined in the breeze. I face the howling wind pulsing
in through the trees. I'm planted upon the rocks and racing up to the peak.
Will your fingers hold? Will your heartbeat grow? Will you stay
here with me when I leave the coast? If my village
goes, if I just, I just don't know, will you stay here
with me when I lead the coast.
And I trace that open sky and I trace it down to the streets. I roll up the hills and mountains fading behind me.
And I wake the lightning and the morning promising To bring the future full of those things that I can't see Will your fingers
hold? Will your heartbeat grow? Will you stay here
with me when I leave the ghost? Did my vid de jongos?
If I just, I just don't know, will you stay here with
me when I leave the coast?
That was Chris Hakers. Go ahead. What? I was gonna I was gonna Speak to it. I I was gonna say something. Woah. So what was the what was the deal behind that song? So, you know, we've been talking about putting trust in God, and, that was that's really what that song is about. I just moved to Iowa last August from the state of Washington,
being given the opportunity to play and lead worship at First Evangelical Free Church in Ames. And, I had never heard of Ames before I did this. Yeah. Me neither. So, because I'm from Seattle, basically. So that was what that song's all about is just it's, again, a kind of an honest prayer to the Lord of, okay. I'm gonna take this step.
Will you hold on to me as I do this? Will you be there with me? Obviously, the answer is yes. You know? But it's just a a cry out to him, and then it's also a kind of a tribute to to the friends and family that I'm leaving behind. You know? Just, hey. Will you hold on to me? I'm gonna try and hold on to you even though there's 2,000 miles in between us. You know? So cup of stars. Yeah. I feel I I mean, obviously, you're not the only person that's gone through that feeling, you know, when when you gotta make a kind of a decision, you gotta separate yourself from where you used to be and and and and and get started on something different, and I I I liked it. Yeah. I'm kinda excited to hear all these things on one. I I was I was just okay with you posting random tunes on the net, but now I feel like an album needs to come quickly. Yeah. Like within, say, six months. Alright. What do we need to do? So funding from the station? That's gonna be a problem. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We could applaud other people that fund if you want. You know? We could hold a fundraiser. I could dance for the fundraiser. No. Yeah. That's nice. Do my little jigger. I I wanna pay you, but that's yeah. Yeah. That's wrong. Perp money's going the wrong way. Yeah. The money's going the wrong way. Just regular there. Man, dang. I I said I was gonna contribute $50 to this deal, but my cologne disagreed and shot me in the face. They don't do that.
You're listening to live from the pathonlifefromthepath.org. We're in podcast territory. Right, Ben? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you're if you're hanging on right now, that means you're either, what, listening to the live show or you've hung on for the podcast. The podcast really is the way to go. You can digest the show as you see fit. Ten o'clock's a late hour. You gotta put the kids to bed. Gotta have a late night snack. You got some bible reading to do. And then, you know, they're they're messing stuff around in the late nights programming. And so with all that going on, don't know how you can actually be expected to listen to the program. But you could sign up for the podcast and get to it whenever you feel like Also, suppose the video will be available at the front of the website the week of yeah. Okay. That sounds alright.
Oh, what what do you wanna hit next, Ben? I got I got 27 truths. Are we are we there yet? 37 life lessons. Okay. Hit it. Okay. Here we go. So some some fella on the huffing huffpost.com typed up 37 life lessons I learned so far, and he he sees them to be things that should be viewed every day. They're they're constant truths. And I thought we'd just hit them real quick and see where we're at. We find out if it lines up with the biblical truth and see if if you really should be doing these things. Okay. So number one,
happiness comes from within. Reject. Reject. He his reasoning is we spend way too much of our lives looking for outside validation and approval that eludes us. Turns out, it's been an inside job all along. Go inward. Okay. Well, I'll accept the start of the premise. Yeah. Agree. Yeah. I'll accept the start of the premise. That's true. We we look for validation
in exterior things. I'd say go upward. Instead of inward? Yeah. That's very clever. Thank you. Yeah. I've worked on that all day. I do bumper stickers. Here's here's what I know, is that I take an off I take an awful lot of crap from people who aren't joyful. You know what I'm saying? Like, I will That's true. Yeah. Like, I'm willing to get a good hardcore biblical ribbing It's funny they're joyful before you walk in the room. From a joyful man. A guy that that that loves Jesus, and I could he's just emanating the light of Christ, and he's a joyful man. I'll take a rebuke from that man. A curmudgeonous codger? No. Thank you. Right? You don't know what you're talking about because you have no joy. And I I in in a given week, I sure take a lot of crap for people that aren't joyful. You know what I'm saying? Okay. So instead of happiness coming from within, we're gonna say up above. Right? That that's the way we're gonna move it. Number two, be grateful for everything, the good, the bad, the ugly. Our entire life is a precious gift. The pleasure, the pain, it's all part of the path.
Yeah. Yeah. He said path. That sounds like Jesus. Yeah. Path is too precious. Anything to do with path has gotta be just over words. Something to do with the name of this show. We like it. Yeah. We're falling apart, but I agree. Okay. Can agree on the surface. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Mean Nothing too far. Number three, subtle shifts in perception will transform your entire life. Yeah. I agree. So hey, man. He's doing alright except for that look to yourself for streak thing. Wait. Is this supposed to be biblical or just good idea? No. It's not biblical. It's just a guy who saw some stuff. This is how he feels about life. So You can't find a bible verse. But but I guess if what you're saying is the question is if can I is that a redeemable thing? Biblically, can we agree to that? And if we can, give them the benefit of the doubt. Thumbs up. Yeah. So and, like, if we were if we were gonna slice that in half and then we're gonna we can't do them all because we're out of time. But, like, when you your shift of perception is is is, like, if you're looking at it from eternity angle, say, the kingdom of God angle, is this really that big a deal what you're saying? You know I'm saying? I mean I mean, is there really something worth getting angry and frustrated about, say, thirty thousand years from now? You're gonna remember that exact day and go, dadgummit.
About thirty thousand years ago, they really put the boots to me. Know, no one cares. I wanna look inward. Number four. In being true to yourself, you can't possibly make everybody else happy. Hey. I I revert back to number one. Don't take advice from people that aren't joyful. People that are joyful, take a listen to those people. They know what they're talking about. People who aren't, no good. Right? You wanna end up like that guy? Don't listen to him. I don't even trust myself. Yeah. Agreed.
We don't trust you either. Yeah. Thank you. Your mirror's been lying to you for years. You look good, dad. Right on. Let's go out in public like this. Number six, the world is our mirror. What we love in others is reflection of what we love about ourselves. See, I I just don't think that's true. I don't think well, I don't think it's universally true. I think there's a lot of things that I
there's people that love something and someone else because they hate it in themselves. Because a lot of times, they're they're not judging their own qualities correctly. But, you know, that's the truth. Like, I find I find I run into that with my children. The the like, there's parts of my children that are big parts of me, and they are the most irritating for me to deal with because they're me. You know what saying? Like, if there's certain aspects of my personality that they inherited or that I have taught them, and I'm like, why are you so difficult to deal with? And I'm like, it's me. I'm yelling, yes. Seat up, punk. You know I have to use it in here. Seat up. You ladies are so stubborn. You want something to drink? I got soda. Acres, what's your take on that?
You gotta repeat it for me, man. Okay. Space it out. I it's to me. Yeah. The world is our mirror. What we love in others is a reflection of what we love about ourselves. I think we certainly project ourselves on other people. Do you feel like the the things that you love about other people are the things that you love about yourself? Or the things you dislike about other people are the things that you dislike about yourself? I think it's worth considering. You know? If if that thing that that person is doing is really annoying me, is that going on in my own life? Am I doing that too? Right. You know? Are you growing a beard and his beard has upped your trumped your beard? Yeah. Like, hey. So I'm bitter at him. Yeah. Why you got a pro beard? Yeah. Absolutely. What's up with that? I
I'm not disagreeing. I'm just saying I don't think it's universal. Fair enough. Yeah. Yeah. Here we go. Number six, eight, whatever. Ever I'm gonna skip them. Everybody comes into our life for a reason. If it is up to us to be open to the lessons they are meant to teach. To add the that's a bit of a shine on example. Someone breaks into your place and steals your television and find China. I don't I'm not sure there's a reason for that except for that guy's a jerk. I mean, there is a reason for it. I think I mean, I can agree to it on a base level. Yeah. But it like it wasn't necessarily designed
to improve my life. Other people's sin in general, although God can work it out and does it for all people for his good, I I I'm just not sure that that's universally true, a, for people that don't love Jesus specifically, but other people's sin is not always designed to to be a positive influence on my life. Hey. I think that makes you the center of the universe. Yeah. Everyone who comes into your life, oh, there must be a purpose for you. It's like, maybe it's Yeah. That's what you got going on. Your purpose is for me. Yeah.
This? What What this? This? Is I'm really learning a lot from it. Thrown. I really appreciate that. Do you wanna hang out more? Because I feel like there's a lot more for me to learn from you. I was I was thinking about whether I should do crunchy or creamy peanut butter, and then the Lord sent some Tic Tacs my way, and I thought crunch definitely. Crunch definitely. These are the reasons my life so that I may be crunchy peanut There's a reason for these Tic Tacs, and it's definitely crunchy peanut butter. Here we go. Down the list. Hurt people hurt people. Hurting people hurt people. Absolutely. Yes. Love them anyway. Although it's totally okay to love them from a distance.
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. 10 feet back with a hyssop. Yeah. That's right. Love you. Back up. I'm trying to learn from afar. Your life looks like it's in the toilet. Well, this is teach me. I'm gonna learn from it. I know I'm 50 feet away, and this doesn't look like I love you, but I do. Yeah. I definitely do. You want $20? I'll leave it here. Leave. You come pick it up, and then I'll come back. Here we go. Hug hey. Hug a hurting person. I'm gonna change it. Hug the man. Really? Big and beefy. Give him a give him a hug, Key. No. I'm I'm joyful. Don't hug me. Yeah.
Yeah. I feel like a good pat on the back does a does a lot of wonder. If as long as you rub for an extra long time. No. What are those circular motions? About Three second past comfort. We have talked about this. Blue. This on many occasions. Move up to the bottom of the hairline and tickle a bit. And then walk away. Wow. You have a really strong neck. The value in that statement though is that there are people who just do things that are mean and sometimes you think what is wrong with them or I don't like them blah blah blah. Really, if you remember, they're probably hurting is why they did that. It's kind of helpful for you And and maybe there's something you can do to to serve them. Yeah. Most Honestly. There's there's we're we're kind of foolish. Everything we do has a reason, but not everything other people do has a reason. Right? Like, we don't look at other people and say, that guy's acting that way for something. Like, there's something going on that he says, either he makes terrible decisions and wishes he didn't, or he's misguided to believe that the things he's he's doing are are fine.
But there's there's reasons behind why people do things. And sometimes we just like, oh, that guy's just Yeah. He's just an evil man. He's a born jerk. Just playing his role. I rubbed his back for five seconds, and he still doesn't love me. He actually attacked me for it. Crunchy. Here we go. Let's see. Let your soul shine. Be authentic. There's nobody else on the earth just like you. Step into your truth wholeheartedly and live and breathe your purpose. Shoot.
How do you not do that? Yeah. That's what I don't know. Yeah. Even your fakery is a reflection of your own personality. You're willing to be fake. Yeah. It's true. It's just another definition of you. Everybody's authentic. Yeah. I'm authentically phony. The only place you gotta be careful is where you use that as an excuse to do whatever you want. You know? I accept into myself, so I'm just being me. I'm I'm just doing me. Like, the real me is a curse word. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's not what we're going for. Yeah. Just people being people. I'm here to randomly headbutt people on the streets. This is part of my this is being. That's my that's my thing. Yeah. It's kinda like a Samson thing from birth. You know I'm saying? I just headbutt dudes. That's how I just hello. This is Ronham. Morning. I feel like you don't get me. I'm
tired of being discriminated against for my headbutton ways. Do you wanna That's how they know that I love them. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Learn the delicate dance. Have big beautiful dreams and vision. Chase them with much passion, but also hold on to them ever so lightly. Be flexible and willing to flow as life comes at you. I can't take this flower with a language. Yeah. I I don't operate on what he's saying. I can't that's like reading those inspirational pages. I'm like, I don't know. I can't the principle of it, but, yeah, he needs to Grow is a delicate flower. I can't follow that. It makes me wanna play tennis, and that's all I got from him. Yeah. And then maybe elbow. Me quit halfway in because I was being a phony. No. Let's see. I got headbutt. Oh, no. Here it goes. It says here we go. Sometimes we outgrow friendships. Doesn't mean they're bad or you're bad. It just means you're on different paths. Hold them in your heart, but when they start to hurt or hold you back, it's time to give space or let go.
Oh, I I was I had I was close until he hit the last point. Uh-huh. Because I mean sometimes you grow me. I mean, I get it. You diverge, but, like, you write people off because they hurt you. That's Lame. Yeah. That's lame. You stink as a friend. You're a crappy friend indeed. Hey. When you stop serving me as my friend, I let you go. Yeah. Yeah. Hey. Listen. I've known you for years, but you have one arm, and you can't be in our band anymore. Love, Def Leber. You know I'm saying? That's terrible. You know what I'm saying? What kind of friend is that? Here we go. Let those let those that you love know it often and enthusiastically. You could never say it or show it too much. Your time, love, genuine concern for their wellness is the greatest gift of all.
Does that include that circular back rub like you're talking about? You bet. Because I feel love from you right now without that. I had no reason to keep it up. Are you sure? Here we go. We are all connected as one human family. Nobody is better or worse than anyone else, just at different stages of journeys and dealing with life the best way we know how. The last thing is probably true, but I mean, I don't know. Depends on what they mean by better. There are some with more talent than others, you know, and more skills in different areas. I mean, they're just skilled in different things. I mean, I feel like me versus the guy on death row, I've had more success in life. I've I've had more success at not killing people. I was gonna say, he may have a lot more success at murder.
Yeah. I suppose yeah. It depends on what you're standing. Right? You gotta choose better. Actually, he must sneak it. He got caught. No. That's true. He's not good at evasion. Nobody's caught. He's really good at the act, but when it comes to follow through, you're awful. Better's relative. Right? That's the problem. It's like, It depends on what you're talking about. No. Agreed. Agreed. Last one here. You are the guru. For much of our lives, we have been told what to do, how to think, what looks good, what success is. You don't have to buy into any of it. Feel free to peel back the layers. Think for yourself. Break the mold. When you stop doing what everyone else wants you to do and start following your own intuition, you will be ridiculously happy. Switch out your intuition with God? We're good. Here's the deal. Like bad intuition. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. I have bad intuition. Right? I mean, I've had you should've seen the Christmas presents I've got my wife three past three years. I mean, they're terrible. Screwdriver set? What was I thinking? I'm like, hey. What if you get break down on the side of the road? It'd be handy to have this screwdriver set. I'm gonna call you, you dummy.
Oh, Right on. Right? Oh, you're have screwdrivers. That's what my intuition brings me. Like, it's terrible. Yeah. Because he's a guru. Yeah. He's like, man. Man. I'm a guru. Know what's best. Look at me. I'm the guru of fast food, man. I've got I'm four hundred pounds right now. Discernment and intuition have not served me well. So I I think I need to follow something else. Maybe God. There we go. And then I'll be much better. At least what they say on the show. Yeah. Right. Exactly. Yeah. I follow life for the path. Yeah. So that that's pretty mistake. Yeah. I know. That's pretty much the gist of it. I you know, there's there's some I mean, it's decent. There's some words of wisdom in there. They they all have to be characterized to the point is is if you are it goes back to the joy thing for me. Right? Like, if if if you trust yourself to produce your own joy, you will produce joy that is as big as you. Right? If you trust God to to produce your joy, you will get, joy as big as God, and it's much bigger than you. Right? And so, like, it's I'm not even saying this from a from a a self defeating area. I'm just saying, like, if the end game is relationship with God and lots of joy in your life to to to live it in the way that that that God has designed for you, only he knows that design. Right? And you just have to ask him and he'll and and and and follow what he has laid out. And I I promise you it's just for your joy. It's not for any other reason but to bring you joy in him glory. So that's it. That 37, whatever, thing things to live by. I probably only read about 15 of them, but that's the gist. There's a lot of love, you know, stuff in there. Enthusiastic love. Yeah. I mean, do they talk about back rubbing? I mean, or No. There wasn't anything that says oh, hold on. It was 23. Do not back rub people. Shoot. Everybody hates it. It feels uncomfortable. Well, that's definitely we've got to disagree with that. Yeah. I know. Everybody loves back rub. That's our fault, sweetie. Here's the deal. Me and Acres were talking before the show about the prodigal son story about when he comes in
and the father puts the hand on the back of the boy and says, welcome. Robe and hands. Extended robe. See, you've taken that story and you fit it into what you want. That's what we do here. Hey. You pulled what I call an acre set. You're listed live from the path on livefromthepath.org. I don't know. What's we got, dude? Yeah. No. It's it's about time. It's getting that time of night, man. I tell you what, you wanna do one more, Abby? Let's do it. Let's One more do dear life dear life in the path, and we'll let Chris send us away. Okay. Hang on a minute. I I wasn't really prepared. I was just throwing ideas out. You might want to sidetrack. Did you say, I don't know, in a way to move on to the next portion
of our show? No. Because I felt like I heard a, I don't know. And then that's what you were trying to get to to the next portion. Uh-uh. You're you're gonna deny that entirely? I didn't do it. So we should talk more about back rubs. I think they're perfectly acceptable. I got this straightened up. Thanks for that. Cool beans. Dear life of the path. My daughter, who recently turned 21, sent me a two word text message. I'm pregnant. She has been dating oh, boy. Here it comes. She has been dating a marijuana smoking young man for less than a year. Excuse me. And I'm disappointed by this outcome. Her sister who is a year older already has two children by two men. No. They weren't raised by a harlot. I adopted them when they were early elementary aged children. It's not my fault. Oh, holy what is going on here? This has gone from slightly comical to very depressing. I'm disgusted by their choices. I haven't talked with her yet. I won't try to lecture her or tell her how she should live her life. The time for that is over. I feel it would be best to say nothing if I can't be positive. Suggestions.
Dang. I thought it was really light hearted with the first couple lines with that. I thought it was like a social faux pas. Hey. I texted I'm pregnant. Is that wrong? And then it got terrible really fast. Sorry about that. Thanks, Mike. I think she's already laid the foundation. She's poured her life and her years into raising her children. Now it's up for them to make their choices and and and she needs to love them and support them and and interject as much Jesus in there as possible. And, you know, give them some grace, but hopefully also some repentance in there. But I I don't know. That doesn't sound like there's some repentance going on. But yeah. The decisions are already made. I mean, the the stuff has already happened. There's nothing she's gonna do to change the fact that her eldest has two kids from two different dads, and then her youngest has a child on the way from a marijuana
smoker. He's a young man. Young man. So so the best thing she can do right now is make sure that she is a loving parent that that is caring for these people. And Is he from Washington? Is it legal? Why I don't think that matters. Legal there. Right? I I think Or Colorado. Whatever. Yeah. And why are you keeping track of what states are legal, Acres? Just Oh, I just just happy to come home. That's what I how it is. Yeah. He's a culturally relevant man. I feel like I don't agree with you guys at all. Like, there's some language in here that is just you know, it's not my fault. I'm disappointed.
I adopted them. Don't blame me. I'm not a harlot. Like, just I don't this doesn't feel like She's hurting. This doesn't feel like loving language at all. It's not. You know I'm saying? And your and and, like, your approach to, like, hands off, the damage done, like, I just don't feel that way. Like, I double I double down invest. I I I don't know. I feel like backing off and be like, hey. It's your deal. Like, I just don't feel right at all. Especially with kids. You know, the kid the the grandkids, they're the ones that suffer in that. Yeah. If if you completely back off, then then they say, oh, because what my parents did you know, they they start to take that on themselves, and they lived a whole life that way. You know? Yeah. If it seemed like I was saying that she needs to back off in any way, that's not what I was trying to say at all. The first sentence you said was that she needs to back off, and it's the decision is done. That no. That's not what I said at all. Ben? But Back off on the judgmental. What I didn't even say that, but, she does need to back off the judgmental portion. But what she needs to do is she needs you're right. She needs to double down and invest the fact that these are kids. She needs to love on the kids, which is what I said the first time. Just saying. Completely be there for them as a parent. She's trying to check out saying, I no longer have to to deal with them. I'm the the time has passed for me to to try and tell them how to live or anything like that. That's not true at all. You can still, as a parent or as someone who's wise or any way shape or form, come to them and say, hey, you know, here's my thoughts and the decisions you've made. They're probably not the best, but they happen. And here's how we're we're gonna get through them. And I love you as your parent. I'm I may be disappointed if that even needs to be said,
but she needs to love on them and and continue I'm sure that's gonna go over well. I hate doing it anyway. I may be disappointed, but here's some other things I wanna talk about. That's what I'm saying. If that even needs to be said, I think that's laid the foundation of disappointment. We can build on that. Right. I want you to know what the word I want in as well. Before we move into the whole I love you thing, I want you to know that I'm thoroughly disappointed with you. No. She needs be there. Yeah. She needs to make sure that she's loving these kids and and not just checking out because they've made bad decisions. That's that's Yeah. That's stupidity as a parent. Well, even who cares that I'm disappointed? Okay. I'm going from let's say it's me. I'm the father and it's my daughter. It it it's it doesn't matter if I'm disappointed. It it's I am irrelevant. Let's talk about your relationship with Jesus. Let's talk about what you got what got you here. Let's talk about how you can heal that because ten thousand years in a day, that's all that matters. It doesn't matter if I'm upset with you or I'm proud of you or disappointed, whatever. It's irrelevant. You you need to get right with Jesus, and that that'd be my whole focus right there. Yeah. I mean, the question is do you are you are you walking in trying to spike the moment Right. Or trying to I told you. Follow-up the life that exists afterward. Now I I think to a certain extent, obviously,
I don't I I don't know. I I I feel like she I I'm with Mike a little bit. I feel like she's bailing her her I hesitate to believe that, no. No. She everything must have been fine. Both kids just happened to go off the rails with the same problems. I
don't know. I don't know about that. That might be a little too presumptuous against the children's decisions and where the where the mother I I don't know. I don't know. I I maybe maybe I shouldn't speak to that any further, but just like I the assumption is that the kids went off the rails and that the mother did a bang up job, and that she's rightfully saying that I'm not a harlot. That's a weird thing to say. Right. She's trying to protect her own reputation. Yeah. Said, I did not raise them to do this. Yeah. Here's the deal. You can't help people like that. Like, you can't help people from that approach. Like, you can't help people wipe putting up a 100% of protection of yourself. It just can't be done. Like, you can help people cautiously and guardedly if different kind of situation. But like, if
the number one goal of your helping is to protect you, it almost would be better if you stayed out of it. Because I mean, it takes a little bit of vulnerability and openness to be able to help anybody in anything. You know? And so, like, if you're guarding your reputation that closely, especially with your own your own kids, I mean, I'd hope that if if my kids were in a situation that I I could help with I I mean, I'm King David style. I'll make a fool out of myself if I think it will help my children in a way that will that will further their lives with their relationship with Christ or get their or get their their life turned back in an in an area where it needs to be. I mean, I I just I feel like that's a priority. And so, you know, whatever that takes. And so I I'm not I guess I'm not trying to be, you know, ultimately harsh on on the mom. I get it. She is hurting. It is it is some stuff to deal with. But, like, in perspective
Yeah. They're still your kids, and, you know, I I feel like the defense language needs to leave. Oh yeah yeah. What we don't know is they were both adopted in grade school. Yeah. We have no I mean there's a lot of foundational things that happened in their life that we don't know about. Absolutely. That mom doesn't know about. Absolutely. And that's probably what's coming out right now. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. Secular advice? Yeah. Sorry. Secular advice was, it would be better if you said nothing to your daughter while you are angry or you may say something you will regret. It would not be out of line, however, to text her back and ask, how do you and John plan to support the baby? If you don't plan to help her in any way, you should let her know now that she'll be on her own. How do you and John plan to support the baby? I don't plan to help you in any way. Go. Most militant way to answer that. Of course. I'm pregnant. You gonna deal with this, kid? Yeah. Can he sell those drugs? Yeah. That's that might not be the way to live. Hey. That was Do want a better friend? I'm sorry about that. I I was going for lighthearted, and I biffed it. I I I thought it was a social faux pas of I'm pregnant. You know what I'm saying? Bummer. Like, that's alright. Alright. You listen to live from the path. Thanks a lot for hanging out with us tonight. I wanna send you away with with the final one from Chris Acres. Mike, what's on the what do we got? Weight of hope? Yeah. We'll do that one. Woah. Did you have a better idea? Well, that one's kind of a downer slow one. So I was thinking let's do a high Yeah. You better. I tanked it with that and high stuff. Here's a let's let's do Today Forever. This is a song about a day that compassion won out
in my job situation when I was frustrated with a coworker, and the Lord took over, and I loved instead. So Is there any chance we could sing along with this one? You could try. It gets pretty high. Dang. We're out. Okay. Fair enough. Go ahead. I'm a give it a shot. This one is on the on the website too. So The words in search of meaning have taken up their claim.
The victims and the prisoners sing. Today, compassion won out. Today, you tore the curtain down.
I was a wretched work of treason in my heart and in my mouth. Today forever has come.
The father celebrates the sun. You turned my doubt into belief. You moved this withered heart to sing of living. Behold the accusations
crucified with grace. Yeah, that perfect takes the criminal's place. The word from the beginning
has overcome the grave. Oh, it has no claim. It has no claim. But today,
compassion won out. Today, you tore the curtain down. I was into belief. You move this withered heart to sing of living.
It's the slow part, guys. This is where we slow it down. Because we're singing today forever sealed by your grace forever.
Let's see it all. Today, compassion went out. Today you tore the curtain down. I was a wretched work of treason in my heart and in my mouth.
There it is. Thank you. Thank you. A big thank you to Chris Akers for coming on Live From Path. Thanks a lot, man. So good. Thank you so much for having me. Sounded great. You guys, we will see you next week. Thanks for listening to Live From The Path.
