Live From The Path · Season 2017, Episode 21
Got You Under My Skin
Topics covered
- Alcohol and masculinity — A long comedy riff on drinking culture and manliness, anchored by Mike's failed attempt to become a bourbon drinker after watching Justified. ≈ 2:56
- Technology and privacy — Discussion of a Wisconsin company's optional RFID chip implants for employees: convenience versus surveillance, hacking, and necessity. ≈ 16:27
- Conspiracy theories — In-studio participant Nick Harris's DNA/robot-mosquito theorizing, the hosts' fact-checking pushback, and the shared 'playing God' concern. ≈ 20:03
- Work and responsibility — Office-life humor and philosophy: password fatigue versus physical labor, fixing things yourself, and taking ownership of the break-room coffee. ≈ 27:51
- Church leadership and discipline — An Episcopal bishop's attempt to sell his congregation's property to developers, the lenient suspension, and what faithful church discipline looks like. ≈ 39:08
- Gospel and public life — A new recurring show frame: asking how the good news of Jesus tangibly changes real-world problems such as health care, immigration, and abortion. ≈ 42:51
- Hospitality and generosity — Dear LFTP advice on a son-in-law's lavish restaurant ordering when his in-laws pay: where generosity ends and being taken advantage of begins. ≈ 58:33
Segments
- Show open from the Pathway Studios 0:00–0:39
The hosts open the episode live from the Pathway Studios in Johnston Proper. A produced intro voiceover plays, then the hosts greet the audience and warm up with jokes about Facebook complaints and gas-station coffee.
- Facebook complaints and gas-station coffee 0:40–2:56
A host riffs on Facebook as the source of all his complaints, then another host recounts buying an overpriced QuickTrip coffee. The group jokes about being unable to detect fine flavor distinctions in coffee, comparing it to scotch, cigars, and the bourbon world.
- Mike's quest to become a bourbon drinker 2:56–11:52
Mike (addressed by name in the surrounding discussion) recounts, in a long comic story, trying to become a man who can drink bourbon without flinching after watching the TV show Justified. He describes a ten-minute consultation with a liquor-store clerk, buying a $5 mini bottle of Jack Daniel's, taking one sip at home, and giving up. The hosts roast him: his body rejects the poison, and TV makes drinking look cooler than it is.
- Cowboy spurs, saloon fantasies, and a paper-bag bourbon plan 11:52–16:27
The bourbon bit continues: Boova (addressed as 'Bovo') offers to bring Mike smooth bourbon, and the group spins out cowboy fantasies involving saloon doors, spurs in San Antonio, and the movie Roadhouse. A participant offers Jägermeister instead. The plan settles on Boova delivering expensive bourbon in a paper bag while wearing a trench coat, and a Facebook poll: 'Should Mike drink good bourbon?'
- Wisconsin company offers employees implanted microchips 16:27–20:03
Ben (addressed by name in the episode) reads a Washington Post story: Three Square Market, a Wisconsin vending-machine software company, is offering employees optional RFID chip implants between thumb and forefinger to open doors, pay for purchases, and log into computers. Boova (asked by name) calls it pointless — a badge and password do the same job — and the hosts doubt the 'no GPS tracking' claim. Nick Harris, an in-studio participant, pushes a deeper conspiracy: the chips are the start of DNA tampering and people 'playing the role of God.'
- Nick Harris's conspiracy corner: DNA, cell phones, robot mosquitoes 20:03–24:39
Nick Harris expands his theory: implanted chips will have unknown long-term effects, like cell phones supposedly crippling users over time, and claims 'robot mosquitoes' are being released in California. The hosts push back hard — the hospital already has your blood, and a forced-vaccination robot mosquito is a different claim than anything in the news — while admitting they share his unease about people 'playing God.'
- The robot-mosquito correction: Verily's sterile-mosquito program 24:40–27:49
Asked to produce a source, Nick Harris can't. Ben reads the actual story: Verily (a Google company) built an automated lab breeding infertile mosquitoes infected with the sterilizing Wolbachia bacteria, so females lay eggs that never hatch — a mosquito-eradication effort, not robot mosquitoes injecting serums. The hosts agree the biology-tampering itself is still 'playing God,' but note it bears no resemblance to the conspiracy version.
- Passwords, concrete blocks, and the coffee man 27:51–31:05
The group debates whether typing passwords a hundred times a day makes office workers lazy compared to concrete laborers — landing on mutual respect and different wirings. Ben then shares his break-room philosophy: after years of fuming at whoever took the last coffee without brewing more, he decided 'I'm the coffee man' and just makes it himself, which simplified his life.
- Chip comedy and the war on office bathroom fixtures 31:05–39:07
The microchip thread turns to comedy: the pompous chip-waver at the vending machine, the day the reader breaks and everyone's doing wax-on-wax-off at the door, and the janitor who rules during a power outage because he has hard keys. That opens a long riff on office bathrooms — automatic faucets and towel dispensers nobody can operate, a gushing sink fixed with a sticky note reading 'maintenance has been cold,' and Mike washing his hands in a caustic parts washer.
- An Episcopal bishop tries to sell his church to townhouse developers 39:08–42:50
Ben reads the news: a disciplinary panel recommended suspending California bishop J. John Bruno for three years after he tried to sell St. James the Great in Newport Beach to a townhouse developer without the congregation's permission. The hosts argue the punishment doesn't fit the crime — 'you're gone' under job standards, God's standards, and 1 Corinthians 5 — and mock the panel's bureaucratic language about refraining 'from the exercise of the gifts of the ministry.'
- The Chinese underground church laughs at us; the lawsuit hypothetical 42:51–49:31
Mike brings a Francis Chan video: Chinese underground believers laughed out loud hearing how the American church works. The hosts connect it to the Bruno story — the church spends its energy on buildings and discipline panels instead of loving people. Ben then poses a hypothetical: if someone sued the church for $10 million over a parking-lot fall, would you fight it for three years or sell the building, pay the man, and go do gospel work? The consensus: every hour in court is an hour not spent telling someone about Jesus.
- A new frame: how does the good news change the world? 49:32–58:32
After a break, Ben (addressed by name) pitches a recurring series for the show: instead of debating politics, ask how the good news of Jesus tangibly changes real-world problems — health care, immigration, abortion, any issue. The gospel isn't just 'sit and wait for Jesus to return'; it changes how we see people and solve problems. He asks listeners to respond on Twitter or Facebook with tangible ways the gospel addresses health care, promising to compile and discuss the answers.
- Dear LFTP: the son-in-law who orders like a king 58:33–1:19:43
Mike (addressed by name just before reading) reads a Dear LFTP letter from parents bothered that their son-in-law Brody orders the most expensive item, drinks, an upgraded salad, and dessert whenever they take the couple out. The hosts debate hospitality versus being taken advantage of: be lavish when you offer, but you're not obligated to fund foolishness. They roleplay the confrontation ('if you were paying, would you order the same?'), read the 'Secular' answer (bringing it up won't be well received), and land on having the direct conversation — if you love him, tell him; a parent who won't say it doesn't love him.
- Closing: Tim Timmons in Oskaloosa, Dan back from Zimbabwe 1:19:48–1:23:35
Closing banter: Boova's promised paper-bag bourbon delivery, his birthday bottle of Rebel Yell, and joking about low website traffic and mysterious Facebook page views. Announcements: Tim Timmons plays Oskaloosa on August 5 and the hosts plan to go; Dan Hudson returns next week from a trip to Zimbabwe, which should feed the new 'good news changes the world' conversation. Sign-off: 'Be faithful in the means. God will handle the ends.'
Bible references
- 1 Corinthians 5
First Corinthians five style… do not associate with that man anymore
Key questions
- Would you get an RFID microchip implanted in your hand for workplace convenience? (host-framed)
- Does a three-year suspension fit a bishop trying to sell his congregation's property without permission? (host-framed)
- How does the good news of Jesus tangibly impact health care for a citizenry? (host-framed)
- How does the gospel change how we approach hot-button problems like immigration and abortion? (host-framed)
- Should a church fight a large lawsuit for years or sell the building, pay it off, and get back to gospel work? (host-framed)
- Our son-in-law orders the most expensive items whenever we take them out to dinner. Do we grin and bear it, or say something? (dear-lftp)
People
- Guest: Nick Harris
In-studio participant addressed by name by the hosts (not formally introduced as a guest); speaks across multiple discussions including the microchip debate and Dear LFTP
- Nick Harris
- Brody
- John Bruno
- Francis Chan
- Tim Timmons
- Dan Hudson
- Dave Erick
- Lil Wayne
- Sam Elliott
- Jack Bauer
Full transcript
Live from the Pathway Studios in Johnston Proper. You are live from the Path.
And you're listening to live from the Path. We're coming from the Pathway Studios here in Johnston Proper. Hot digging it. Dang. It's good to see you. Didn't exist. What you say? What you gonna say? I don't I don't know what my constant complaints would be about in life if Facebook was not a deal. You know, like, it it's always it's always something to do with Facebook. How I saw something on Facebook or somebody was on Facebook irritate me or or or Facebook in general is a stupid way to communicate with people. Like, in general, like, if Facebook didn't exist, I I'd go back to being mad at, like, the quality of the kiwis or something. I just have I have no clue what to think. He would start putting up Yelp reviews for the coffee at a get and go. That's terrible. Hey, man. This was three stars. Hey. Hey. I can't believe you brought that up. So I stopped at at the QuickTrip on the way here. That was a bad life choice. And I got a coffee. Why? First of all, it's it's too expensive. I don't ever buy straight black coffee.
I don't buy straight black coffee from the gas station very often, but it was a it was a buck 79. What? That's what I thought. For a cup of Joe? It was a little stiff. Second of all, it was supposed it was some sort of Peruvian blend that was supposed to have a hint of chocolate. Oh. And I didn't. Mike, have you ever tasted a coffee and said and found a hint of anything? No. In fact, I'd I'd give it back to them. They just don't taste like straight coffee like I ordered. I found a hint of coffee in this. I don't know how to put this pleasantly, but, like, I mean, coffee is kinda like black turds.
I it either it is or it ain't. It's a thing or it's not a thing. Like, I don't make distinction. I've never drank a cup of coffee and thought it ain't. This is most certainly coffee. I'm just saying, like, there's I I I'm unable to detect finer distinctions in coffee.
Like, I've never tasted it and said, oh, this is different than coffee. You have to put some time in to be able to to seriously get the differences in things. Like, it's like drinking scotch or, like, smoking cigars. When it says, hey, man. This has a nose of pears and a hint of bourbon casket aged stuff at the bottom. It's like, this just tastes like alcohol to me. Like, you gotta put time in the people that put time in a coffee don't go to the gas station. No. Actually, my wife is like that. She can tell the difference between coffee or whatever. What? And, yeah, it blows me away. Does she still go to the gas station for coffee, No. Never. I don't think so. In fact, she she's an elitist. We bought a bun coffee maker. Oh. Like, that already has a hot a hot tank ready to go at all times. Puts a whole kicks a whole pot out in three minutes. Man, that's a real beast of it. Yeah. I mean That's pretty sweet. But it ain't kidding around. You know what I'm saying? But, like, it was so you talk about that bourbon thing. So here's the deal. Like, over the I can't remember what what reason I thought this was a good idea, but, like, I went into a liquor store. It's the worst of all places to I've been watching justified
about this cow you know I mean? About this cowboy man or whatever, and he's You are not that guy. He shoots people. And, like, I mean, every 10, someone's like, bourbon. Hit me with a bourbon or whatever. And I'm like, if someone hit me with a bourbon, I'd be like, do you have any soda? Where's the chaser? Because bourbon tastes terrible. And I thought, I is is this a I mean, I I got lost on a track of self indulgence. Right? Like, I mean, like, the measure of a man is whether he can swig a bourbon and not make a weird face after it. You know? And so I thought, I'm gonna buy bourbon. And so I go into this liquor store, and I say I I thought I could reason with the man at the counter. And so I told I gave him the gist of my story. Said, here's the deal. I drink soda all the time. I said, but I've got to find a way in a social situation. Why don't it look like a complete turd when I'm trying to then I can't take a swill of bourbon and not be like, You know? And I said, so do you have, like, a smooth bourbon or something or a whiskey you could Smooth. A smooth bourbon. That you could recommend for me to, you know, to to to try out. Like, I'm I'm probably just gonna take, like, a shot of this stuff a night or whatever and see if I can't build up some kind of tolerance.
And he goes, we have we have fruity drinks. I'm like, no. No, man. See, this is a man that understands you, Mike. I'm like, listen. I'm you're missing the point. I said, I am currently the girly man. I'm trying to be I didn't wanna say I've been watching justified. I wanna be able to I wanna be able to drink this bourbon. Do know saying? Do you have a gun selection that maybe, like, a smooth gun too that I could try out? It's like going into the into the gun store and being like, so I wanna be like Jack Bauer. Can you can you get me hooked up with the Jack Bauer package? What's the starter gun to get there? Do you have anything that makes me Samuel Jackson style? In anything. You know? I've recently had it with snakes on this plane. And so me me and this dude are going around for, like, ten minutes. You know? And then people are starting to filter in, and he's like, you know, you we have this stuff that's infused with coconut. I'm like, dang it. I want
I need some I need some hardcore looking liquor, you know, but I can't be too rough because I can't I can't take it. We have Mike's Hard Lemonade if you'd like that, sir. He offered me to hype Mike's Hard Lemonade. Just like this slew of alcohol with some kind of infused mango or whatever. I'm like and so after ten minutes, I go, how much is that small bottle of Jack Daniel's? That seems Van Leeney goes, $5. I said, give it to me. Give it to Jack Daniel's. So I take it home. Right? And I take one swig at his Jack Daniel's. I'm like, oh, man. I mean, I don't even wanna ruin my soda by mixing it with it so I could tolerate. I'm like, you know what? This don't mean that much to me. I'm gonna bail. I
put ten minutes I walked into the liquor store. I had ten minutes of conversation. I had a twenty minute ride home. I took one drink of it. I'm like, no. You don't want This is a terrible decision. I'm not justified. There are certain people that are like, man honky, and I hate me. You know? I'm just gonna have to be the soda man that goes, hey, man. You want a beer? Actually, do you have any soda? That's what I'm gonna say. Because I just cannot tolerate it for any I just I hate the taste of it, and I can't shake it. Alright. Legitimately, though, I I do have a couple bourbons that I'm gonna recommend to you if you really wanna try it out. And I won't make you buy the bottle. I may already have the bottle. You could try it out. Well, yeah, I'd like to try it. Okay. I mean, I because I I drink bourbon. Do you? Yeah. Like, I drink bourbon. I drink scotch and whiskey. Why'd you let me go talk to some secular man? Didn't know. Realize you were trying to go justify it. Brother in Christ has bourbon for me. Right? And he's nowhere to be fired. I did not realize that you were currently trying to turn yourself into a cowboy from justify. I didn't know I had do everything. If you would have called me out and said, hey, Boova. Do you by chance know anything about bourbon? I'd like, heck yeah, man. What are trying to figure out? Some with a hint of coconut in it? Because I got you I got you taken care of. No. I'm gonna get you set up with a couple bourbons that are smooth. You're still gonna make a face. Like, there's there's that's the point of it. I'm not gonna go Yeah. There's a good chance that you're you're drinking straight liquor that's anywhere from 35 to 50% alcohol. Like, that's what you're doing. Yeah. That's too much for me. That's like trying to take a swig of Listerine and going, oh, man. I got the minty fresh from it. Like, no. I don't understand. I don't understand this alcohol being. Like, how is this not, like, akin to, an episode of Jackass? Like, like, a dude doing something just so people can go, oh, because he made a face when it happened. I I see, here's the deal. Obviously, I mean, I haven't tried to impress anybody in, thirty years. You know? So, like like so it's I it's not that. It's not like I want people to think that man can hold his liquor. Right? But this is where TV sucks you in. I watched one episode of justified. Right? And it covers three days, and these dudes are swigging bourbon like every hour. They're like, pour me a glass. You know? I'm like, these guys literally drank a whole bottle of bourbon on their own, and they did they're just fine. They're holding their own. I have one drink, one like, half a glass of beer or something, and my face feels all hot. I'm like, man, why does it feel so weird in here? I feel like I can't concentrate. You know what I'm saying? Like, I I I Like, that means you're not a drunkard. That's a good deal. I I there's one time so I I was I I was hanging out with these fellows. Right? And we're we're just having a good old time talking or whatever. Like, no. There's no soda to be found, and I hate water. So I'm drinking water. Right? They're like, do you want to?
I'm like, what is Oh, man. What is? And they're like, it's Mexican Bud Light. I'm like, yeah. Okay. I guess. Whatever. You know? Be bold. Just keep me here for a while. You know? So I drink one glass bottle of this beer. You know? And, like, everyone's still talking, and I feel like they've turned the heat up 85 degrees. I'm like, why is it so hot in here? I feel like my face is red. Is my face red? And they're just still blabbing away about a bunch of other stuff. Everybody's drinking, having a good time, and I'm like, I feel like I'm wasted. Am I drunk over here? Why is my face all red? I feel like it's super hot. And they're like, you drank, like, three quarters of a beer. It's piss warm, and you're still tugging at it. You know what saying? Like, everyone's had 10 by the time I've had the one. I'm like, I just don't feel right, Finos. I feel like I should go to bed. I'm super sleepy. Mike, I don't think I'm gonna give you any bourbon. Give me some of this bourbon. Here's the deal. I gotta be able to drink something. I wanna be able to drink and go, yeah. You know what I'm saying? That's gonna take you years. Just give that up, man. I'm gonna take a bourbon. You're not gonna you you yeah. Let it go. You've got your own stuff that, like, you can walk into a room and talk to somebody about fixing a vehicle. Right? Like, you know generally enough stuff to fix stuff around your house. You know what it's like to raise goats. Like, you do not need to move your way into the bourbon market. I don't have Not only can I fix vehicles and take care of goats, I also can sip on a nice sip and whiskey? Let's do this. Here's the thing. It's like, that's not you. I assumed I wasn't gonna take up, like, be a crack shot law enforcement man. Right? So I'd let that go. So out of the two options, besides being a a marksman law enforcement officer Yeah. You decided, I wanna be able to swig on some bourbon without going
Yeah. Yeah. That's that's what I went with. Yeah. If you want me to, I can help you out. I'm gonna need some bourbon, fellas. Nope. I think you're gonna have to let that go, Mike. Paul didn't speak to it. Yeah. He did not talk to the Corinthians about if you're trying to re become a bourbon man after thirty plus years of life and you wanna be able to go
and just enjoy it. I turned into a feral cat. You know I'm saying? I'm like, why does it feel like because your body's rejecting the poison that you're putting into it. Yeah. If your body's going, hey, man. That's gonna mess you up. Like, there's nothing good for me in there. Your body's going, no. I was just saying, there's something either sophisticated or, I mean, just downright cool about us being able to swig a burn and be like, yeah. That's living. I know. I feel like it was a reductionist edit of somewhere in the first Corinthians to say, look. I I preach Christ crucified
and how to get down on an 80 proof. And some prude in the third century. And then Paul talked about the cedar ridge to the Corinthians. It's it's nice smooth with a pear nose to it. It's good stuff. I'm not saying I wanna get snuckered on bourbon. I'm just saying I wanna be able to drink one and be like, yeah. That was alright. Not fetal position in the corner. Be like, it's so hot in here. I can't I can't drive. Or I can't see. Problem is you gotta go from 18 to 21 illegally drinking Jack Daniel's Yeah. Didn't. And going, I wanna be cool in front of my friends and then force down the thing
to finally be able to at 30 some odd Yeah. Maybe they drink bourbon and go, yeah, that Jack Daniel's is gross. I mean, it's just Yeah. It's terrible. This is just gross. Know that 17 year olds are like, I love Jack Daniel's. Because they have no idea what they're talking about. I mean, I'd take some scoop to the eye before I drink that stuff again. I mean, it's just bad memory. Would you like a shot of JD or some pepper spray? I'll take the pepper spray. Pepper spray. Do you got any soda? I'll take soda and pepper spray. Can I mix them? I'll I'll petition the Lord on that. My I said, Lord Jesus, Mike would like to be more of the world. Can you help him? How do you know the The way that he said that, don't think you're gonna win on that one. I feel like the I mean, Jesus, he made bourbon, didn't he? I mean, he allowed it to come to pass. A lot of good Christian meat. Yeah. He also drank wine, Mike. Yeah. See, that's what I'm saying. You don't see Jesus taking wine in Galilee.
You know what I'm saying? Pharaoh catting it up. He seems to be able to muscle one down. Used to it because they drank it all the time. Well, so I need to become more of a bourbon man. I'm just you have clean water at your disposal. They may not may not have said the same thing. Wait a minute. You're saying they distilled bad water, making it into wine. That was the fix? Here's the deal. That's how monks got into it. Gonna say that's kinda how it went, man. Yeah. You're gonna lose that argument real quick. Yeah. Yeah. Most of you travel Europe anywhere, like, post 400. Like, monasteries are are brewing beer because it's cleaner than the water. What? That's that's where most alcohol came from was this is a better life choice than anybody like the stupidest rationale. Couldn't they get boil the water just as easy as they could boil the beer? It lasts longer.
Hops and such. I don't know. Hops and such. Yeah. Ben had it up to this point, and then he went, what goes in beer? What goes in beer? This hops and says hops and such. Buba gives an eyebrow raise. Well, close the book on that one. That's gotta be the deal. They double team you, bro. You
know, I just want can't can't beat the the hops and brow. You can't beat that. All I wanna do is hang out with my bros and talk about my bourbon, and you guys are all like, Dyliss and Nancy, man, go back to your soda water. I I I feel like did I hear Nick Harris over here is, like, trying to offer you Jagermeister. Is that a better route? What? I'm not sure. I was Oh, is he? You go from wait. Wait. Hold up. Are you offering him Jaeger? That's a that's a horrible life to say no. He's just like, well, I'm happy have you red boil to help. I mean, that's what was. Yes. Yeah. So what he's offering you now is called a Jaeger bomb. That sounds like a It's a bomb you would place into your own stomach. No. See, this is what I'm saying. A bomb. This is what I'm saying. If you have to add if you have to add something you like to something because you don't like it, just drink the thing. Ben is not a proponent of the mixed drinks. That's what that's what I'm saying. I need the straight bourbon. Yeah. Give me something smooth, booba. Give me the bit best stuff you have. Dude, it's it's expensive. Yeah. Give me don't give me all of it. Give Mike your expensive brew. Alright. I'll
figure something out and get you something that's Put it in a paper bag so people don't know what it is. That's true. That's true. Show up at your house, hand you a paper bag of something, and your lady and kids are gonna be like, woah. What's dad doing right now? If you could wear a trench coat or whatever when you drop it off, that'd be the best. I'll show up real shady like. It'll be great. Here's actually, if you could shoot something on your way in wearing a cowboy hat, that'd really sell it. Actually, Bourbon, I bet you'd get in a lot more interesting conversations if you constantly carried around like a bottle of Sam's Choice distilled water in a brown paper bag Yeah. Right on. And, like, took a pull off it. It's like Very valid point. Here's the deal. You can either go looking for guys who who to go find interesting conversations, or they will come to you if you could just carry the right thing around with you. You know what? Put that up on the Facebook poll, Ben. You know how much I love Facebook. Should Mike drink good bourbon? I don't want that cheap bourbon. Here's the thing. I was really I I I really wanted to buy the expensive bourbon because I'm like, I don't wanna hate it because I bought the cheap stuff. Maybe I should buy the expensive stuff. It's to you right now. It's the exact same thing as Jack Daniel's. Oh, yeah. That's the exact same face you would make. Jack Daniel's. You would still go
it does not matter if you spend $90 on a bottle or five. All I can imagine when I bought that Jack Daniels is, like, I would drink it, make that face, and then Sam Elliott across the way going, why don't you put a dress on and drink some? Why are you such a woman? Why don't you drink that whiskey like a man? Stupid TV. Wants to exist in the Old West, I think. I could be alright. I'm telling you. I can burst into a saloon like no one's business. Y'all ain't even give me a chance. I know what you think in this scenario. I bet How many buildings have you walked into that had the double swinging doors? You don't follow me around. I do it everywhere. Every time I see double doors, I kick them open with my boot, and I'm like, yeah.
Is there some kind of, like, sweet piano playing right now? Me in, and then I say the guy at the piano is gonna die in the next five minutes. It always happens every time I walk into my room. That's true. I actually, by the since the age eight, Mike has been putting 0.25 and random change in the shoes so they make, like, a spur sound when he walks around. Ching. Ching. We're gonna get you live from the past sponsored spurs for your boots. Hey. Are those legal? Can you wear spurs around all the time? They were all over the place in San this could sound really bad, but they were all over the place in San Antonio. Yep. Spurs and bourbon's all that goes on down there.
Hey. They got a team called the Spurs. Just a heads up. No. Like, legitimately, when I was in San Antonio, people wore Spurs. It was ridiculous. Wait. I thought I thought it was a joke. Are are Spurs just exempt because they've been around? Or, like, can I wear a, like, a suit coat with knives protruded from the elbow? You should be able to do the kit like, the boot kick thing where you actually have a knife that sticks out the front of your boot. Like a roadhouse. It's basically the same thing as your Spurs. Yeah. See, he was a bourbon man. He cleared a whole bar out of troublemakers. Roadhouse? Roadhouse. No. What? No. What? Never mind. No. Okay. No. Yeah. But Spurs are real thing. Alright. Anyway, the next week, chapter two in Mike's vision of, like, how to look, great in the eyes of the world.
Hey. I'm drinking this bourbon by myself in my house. Mike's like, I really wanna try out man buns. No. You're right. That's not lame at all. Hey. The cat don't judge me like you guys do. I just wanna drink a little bourbon here and there. Alright. You live in this thing alive from the path. Here's so here's the deal. There's a
there's a company in Wisconsin that is offering to implant remote control microchips in its employees. Remote control microchips in its employees. Would you ask an employee to get a microchip implanted in her hand? Asks the Washington Post. Sounds invasive and intrusive, but come August 1, one company in Wisconsin will be giving it a try. Three Square Market, a developer of software used in vending machines, is offering all of its employees the option to get a microchip implanted between the thumb and forefinger.
It's quick, painless, and the company will even pick up the $300 fee. And don't worry. There's no GPS tracking capability. Ominous dot dot dot yet. The company is expecting 50 of its employees to voluntarily sign up for the implants. What do you think? What do think, Bovo? You in on this thing? So what is it for? It's a chip. Okay. It allow those employees who volunteer to participate in the program to open doors, pay for purchases, share business cards, store medical information, and pay for stiff and other RFID,
excuse me, terminals and log into their computers, all with the wave of one hand. Only at that place of business. Yeah. That sounds dumb. What if you get fired? Then you're out like a surgery. Yeah. Or you just leave it in there. And I'm pretty sure I still got tracking on there. Like Yeah. Can't say my initial report. I'm on the same page as that. There's no way that there's not any tracking ability to this at all. And, like, there's gotta be something creepy. Here's the deal. You're a grown person. Make your own choice. Would I do it? No. Wait a minute. You can't track, RF signals with the like the card I used to get in. But, Muba, you've worked in corporate America. Right? No. I understand. I I get the card. Around. However, but that doesn't mean twenty years from now they can't. Well, right. But the the unless they upgrade the chip. Yeah. I don't know what's gonna happen. I'm saying I wouldn't because there's no real reason for it. Like, I don't know. Is that I could still have a work badge and a password. I'm a still do that. I mean, is that ZIP code that bad of a deal? You know? Ding. Yeah. Exactly. That's what saying. I I wore a lanyard with a neck badge for seven years. I looked like an idiot, but and sometimes I'd forget to take it off, and I'd go out with friends and look like that cool corporate guy that's like, hey, everybody. Wanna come work where I work? I'm here at the 10% discount because I'm with Wells Fargo.
You you see the badge? Yeah. That means I'm in here. Give me give me a mixed drink. I got I got a sweet pen on it. Says number one in customer service. No. It I don't see the point of doing it. It seems unnecessary. You're trying you're trying to be way too technological and cool. It's it's pointless now. Well, it's it's a matter of convenience, but you're saying the convenience ain't worth it. Yeah. It's not. I I wanna type in the password. III I wanna carry the card around. I don't want easy access to pay for stuff on the vending machine. Right. I mean Yeah. I'm the last person that needs that. You should not make vending machines easier for me. You should make them more difficult. You should put a chip in my hand that means that they don't work within 20 feet of it. It's a veggie vendor, boova. It doesn't matter. Carrot sticks. Bring my other business. Carrots. Yeah. You know there's gonna be the baby carrots. You should eat whole carrots in the first place. Isn't there I guess I don't know that much about RF signals. Right? But, like, how hackable are these things? Can't dudes just produce the same RF signal on a plastic card and break in if they want? I think that's one of the I I don't think it happens often, but I think that's one of the big things against RF chips
or those badges is that, like, within within the range of, like, what it transmits, which you're right, is small. You know what? This is a bunch of crap. Because, really, the onus is on the company to get this done. If they would just switch over to finger to fingerprint scanners, ain't no one have to get surgery of any kind. It's really just cheaper for them to put RF chips in everybody. That's a point. But, I mean, if they can put fingerprint scanners on there, I'm gonna take this thumb with me everywhere I go until some cowboy hawk got off there. And so I should be able to use it to get into any type of door I want. I had pocket aces. I just think it's a deeper I think it's real deeper than, you know, just getting into work. Like, I think, like, they trying to crack coals and do stuff. Like, okay. Think about it like this. Not to say Hold up. We need a theme music for Nick Harris' spins on the crazy conspiracies
of life. Go ahead, Nick Harris. I mean, it could be something like they tryna something about DNA. Didn't Jesus say like, Careful. The blood is, yeah, I am. The blood, your blood
brings life basically, right? Like, the flesh what a blood is the life, basically. You know, like, blood is what give the flesh life.
You know, like, if you think about it real deep Or you connect two dots that don't belong anywhere close to each other. Either way. Yeah. Like, I I just feel like look at I already know Ben over there. Be like, what is gonna say now? But it's just I just think it's deeper than that. I think, like, they just really trying to mess with DNA. On a vending machine level? Like, the vending machine company is the front. That's how it start. Here's the deal. Nick Harris, like, if you're gonna have
so what you're proposing is they are the dumbest people alive. Right? The hospital has your blood. Right? Like, so get into the hospital, boss. Why would they it foolishly? Because because people are asleep. I mean, if you'd be like, dude, I'll let you put a put a tip in my hand, and I don't really Hey. I'm telling you what it do, but Harris, you're gonna have to use a microphone, brother. Oh, yeah. Look. Good thing. Like, everybody has sleep. Right? So if somebody come to you proposing something that only
they know more about, like, in-depth, saying, like, oh, you won't it'll do this, that, and the third. And you're like, okay. It'll be make it easier for me for the next ten hours at work. You're gonna go through surgery to be at work for ten hours to just press the button and go in. So I I'm not disagreeing with that. You're the the the story that you told that was akin to zebras flying in and stealing meat out of my freezer, which is those weird dots you were connecting I'm not on board with. But, like, the thought of, hey. This makes this very this basic thing easier. Why would I go through the problem of putting this in here? Like, I get that. But I I'm just saying if you, like deeper. What are they gonna do, Nick Harris? Like, what's the endgame of this guy? Let's say it's It could be DNA. What what okay. They got my DNA. So what?
I spit on the on the on the ground all the time. They can go harvest it. But we don't know the effects that it'll have on you over time. What do you think is going to happen? I don't know. God knows. Just think, like, people didn't know if you put a cell phone in your ear that the friction is just over the years, like, oh. I mean, your hair is still growing, Harris. You use a cell phone all the time. It is, but it's a known fact that, you know, if you have like, just doing this and messing with this technology, it it cripples you over time. You still have it, though. Of course. Because you you took the surgery. That's what you because you still got the phone in your pocket. But I talk on speakerphone since I You can't lay with it on your chest. Love it. Love it. You gotta find loopholes around this stuff. Rick Harris, I love you, man. I here's the deal. I love you. I completely disagree with 90% of the stuff you're saying right now, but I love that speakerphone.
That's dig. I dig that. Alright. Alright. They say 90%. 90% of what you no. That's that's a complete arbitrary number. That's not true. It
just means that, I have a package of tinfoil in my car, and I've been making hats for Here's the deal. I I agree with the fact that, yes, that seems ridiculous. It don't get a chip in where you could just put in a password. That's stupid. But having some weird thing about, like, being fearful of someone having your DNA, like, that's messed up, man. Like, there's no reason to have that. You don't actually have a logical reason to think that the government, even if you have thoughts against the government or a corporation
having your DNA that they're gonna somehow clone clone you and make some doppelganger that goes out and commits crimes so you get in trouble for it. Like, that's that's a science fiction movie coming back. I didn't I didn't mean, like, I didn't mean, like, they take and use their DNA. I just mean, like, they can change their DNA. Like, stuff is, like, that's the hardest thing that they don't know. You know? Like so it's like they'll use any and everything to figure it out. These people wanna be gods. So, I mean, it's not really that far fetched for me. Like, I can see, like, this the beginning of things happening. Times changing. Like, the more that they put this stuff out here and just see who, you know, try to fetch it and okay. Yeah. We can try this and work on this next. Like, you know, like but I mean, I just feel like they trying to play the role of God, basically. Like, this the beginning.
Like, I know you guys heard about the mosquitoes they putting out, like, in California, like the little robot mosquitoes. No. No. Yeah. I've not heard about that either. I mean, look it up. I'd you know? Like nanobots? We can look it up. Yeah. Like, basically little little robot mosquitoes that they just gonna Nick Harris, what's the Nick, what's the top three places you get your news from? Man,
I I I got sourceful information. Like, I mean, I can bring it up to I mean, I subscribed to robotmosquitoes.com. It actually was in the news, but, I mean, like I mean, I hear I read a ton of news, Harris. I have a corporate job. I waste a lot of time reading news, and I never seen anything about no robot mosquitoes. Wait. So what's the I can What's the point of the robot mosquitoes? Now I'm intrigued, Nick Harris. What what do the robot mosquitoes do? They basically inject you with something that, you know, like, it's supposed to be like a
what do you call it? It's something like A serum. Something. Some some something of that sort. But, you know, like, to make you immune to something, basically. Wait. So it's like a vaccination?
Yeah. Sorta like that. Yes. So it's a forced vaccination by robot mosquitoes? Yeah. Can California. I mean, I wonder how much the robot No. No. Nick Harris, that is not at all what the what's going on. What are they saying? You're not describing the situation at all. So they are they're using a machine to breed mosquitoes.
That's not the same as robot mosquitoes. Oh, man. I don't know. Yeah. Hey. Maybe you stumbled on the wrong robot mosquito. Scientists may come combat the world's mosquito problem by unleashing millions more of them. To help solve the problem, researchers at the science company Verily, it's a now it's a Google company, create created an automated lab that raises infertile mosquitoes and infects them with the naturally occurring sterilizing bacteria called Wolbachia.
The idea is that the female mosquitoes will then produce eggs that can neither develop nor hatch. If it works, we could someday live in a world that's completely eradicated of all mosquitoes, harboring dangerous illnesses. I would agree on its face that I don't like them toying with the biology of the mosquito. That's messed up. That is them playing god. Yeah. I agree. Is. However, that's not even close to your description of some sort of infestation of, like, robot mosquitoes. Yeah. It was see the but
I seen the robot Stay in the microphone, Nikaris. It's on radio. No. I seen the I seen something about the robot mosquitoes too, but you just happen to run across that one too. But and I seen that one too. But Hold on. I mean, like Hey, man. If you can find that list. Sure. Robot mosquito California brings up, I mean, a ton of responses, which is all that one same thing. So maybe you you see if you can find it. Or Yeah. You come back and say, you know what? I need to read the article a little more closely before I start talking about robot mosquitoes. Because now I really because now I legit wanna know about these robot mosquitoes. Yeah. I'm I'm a I'm a bring it up. I'm a bring it up. Alright. Alright. Because, like, no make it funny. I legit wanna know about these robot mosquitoes. Yeah. Because I do a lot of research on things. I don't take everything again like being No. No. You're not. No. There's no way you're easily taking my story. You'll be the you'll be the first one. Like, hold on, nigga Harris. I don't I don't think that should be healthy for Well, dang. Harris has got me paid. Yep. I do say that.
Rule them. I so long story short on these RF chips, first of all, like, I I don't understand anybody's I mean, how lazy can you be? And second of all, like, this change is easily made with with fingerprint scanners. They can do it with technology that's available. You can buy it today. It's it's ready to go, prepackaged. It's just cheaper to get RF chips installing people. Now to fight the whole how lazy can you be thing, I get it. Like, I understand wanting to do it. Like, when you work in a call center or anything corporate, you put your password in a 100 times a day easily. Mhmm. You get you lock your computer to go to the bathroom. You lock your computer to walk down the hallway. You lock your computer to leave your room, and it's obnoxious. Like, I've typed password in it. Go talk to the guy that's lifting concrete blocks 80,000 a day. Agree. No. Right? You don't agree. I gotta put my password in. I know what I'm saying. Here's the deal. That's why I'm not built to do concrete work. Like, I was not built to be that guy. I would pass out and die. I have nothing but respect for somebody who can do that kind of labor all day every day. I'm saying from the perspective of it's a pain in the butt. I get it. Now there is a degree of laziness to that. You're right. However, I the person who works at a call center is not inherently lazy compared to the person that works concrete Until they start two different jobs. Until they start complaining about how often they gotta put their password. I get that, but at the same point in time, I guarantee you most of the dudes that I know that do concrete could not come in to do my job. I could not do their job. They could not do my job. We're just wired. I think they're not interested in it. Yeah. At the same point, neither am I. I'm super excited that I get to drive on your concrete. I just don't care how it gets there. I I guess what I'm saying is Hold on. Just just a point of clarity. So I come from a similar background as Buva, and I I I couldn't disagree more with what he's saying. I would say most people would not I would agree with Mike. Most people wouldn't want to do the job. It's not their notion of in like, it's not a, like, physical ability. Right. That's that's I guess what I'm saying Oh, I'm saying my physical ability. I couldn't freaking do it. I'd pass something down. I I guess what I'm saying is, like, I I mean, I know I know dudes that lay block for a living. Right? And, like, they don't get halfway through the day and go, man, I gotta lay more block. Tired
of laying block. You know what I'm saying? Like, over a lifetime, they're like, I hate block. You know? But, like, the same guy, like, I will go into an office and be like, a password again. Password again. Oh, I gotta get a password again in this system. They're like, I can't believe the hard times that have come my way. You know? And there's a guy out there, like, picking up block at 12:30 right after lunch and goes, back to the block. Right. And there he is laying more block. Fair shocked and unawed at the amount of block that keeps showing up. Here's the deal. It's like you it starts to change your life when you recognize how much that stuff exists in in your day to day. I I ran into that more and more when I would go into the break room. I'd try to get some coffee and, like, the coffee's out. Right? And, like, you know you know some weasel's gone in there taking the last of the coffee and skirt it out of there so he didn't have to remake the coffee. And, like, I would I would get pissed. Yeah. I'd be like, dang.
I gotta go to a meeting, and we're out of coffee. And I and I don't wanna have to stop and make this coffee. And there was, like, there was a day about five years ago when I thought, you're the coffee man. This goes to the conversation we're having before the show started. Right? Yeah. It's like, I just don't assume anybody else makes coffee. I just assume I'm the coffee man. So whenever I go in there, if it's low or or whatever, I think, oh, good. I need to replace the coffee. I'm responsible. And I've not had that problem since. I've been happy ever since. There's always coffee available. Yeah. Suppose that's a valid point. I'd I can dig on that. It's always it's always available, and I'm never mad at anybody else. I just assume that it's my issue. It simplifies life. Yeah. It says this program is also meant to be a real life opportunity for Westby's company to test and expand the technology for its own products. We see this as another payment and identification option that not only can be used in our markets, but out other self checkout and self-service applications that we are now deploying, which include convenience stores and fitness centers, said another company executive. A Swedish organization named Epicenter began doing the same thing early this year, and its workers seem to love it. People ask me, are you chipped?
What? Hey, man. This ridiculous. Mike, I feel like we should all quit our call center jobs and just go lay black. Yeah. Because we'd never go up you probably never hear, hey, man. You chipped today? You chipped. You blocked today? Yeah.
I'm like, man, I'm pretty chill. Feeling chipped. Hey. Lil Wayne is gonna grab onto this and make something out of the Here's the thing. You know, though. Instead, the guy who gets the chip is a real pompous jerk about it for about three weeks when someone wants to go pay or whatever. He's like, no. No. No. No. I got it. I got it. And he waves his hand in front of the deal. Just what are you? Some kind of credit magician? Just wait till that chip don't work. Right? Instead of going down to the security office and be like, I need a new card. This one's junk. You sit and be like, I gotta replace my hand. He's
he's standing right in front of the door waving at it like a knock kneed doofus. Come on, man. That is what I would have so much fun with. I would like the new employee to come in on the one day the chip reader isn't working, somebody's just standing in front of the door doing the wax on, wax off thing. There's people trying to wave the thing open. Looks like a village people video. And the one dude that doesn't have the thing yet walks up with his badge. Morning. Beep. That's right. That's right. It's it's the one eyed man. You know what I'm saying? You know who rules in a power outage? The janitor, because he's got hard keys to everything. He's going in and out. Everybody laughs at him all year cleaning up poop, you know, getting the vomit taken care of, fixing light bulbs. And then when the power goes out, here comes Johnny the janitor letting himself in every door that was ever made because he got the key. Uh-huh. Yep. Uh-huh. I it's there's nothing that that will masculate you more than trying as an example of that that currently exist in most office buildings is trying to get the automatic water, the faucet, to participate with you. Like, you put your hand underneath, and you're listen here. You're a you're a privileged dude making 50 plus a year begging for water in the corporate seat. Why is this not working? And it it gives it to you for seven seconds or whatever it is, and it's not enough. And then you put your hand underneath there, and there's always, like, a three second delay. And so you're, like, you're moving your hand,
rebagging again that water will be One of the machines worked to give me soap. I need the other one to work too. Yeah. I mean, it's and and here's the deal. It's like, it is it is it it it gives you it doesn't even paint the right picture of how pathetic you look waving your hand, trying to get this thing to play ball with you in the bathroom as your, like, soaked up hands are not giving you another eight seconds worth of water that you want. And then you go over to the towel dispenser, which is made of the same material that they use to make balloons. Like, it has no absorption capability at all. So you go through, like, 10 towels to try to dry off your hands, and you end up wiping it on your pants. It really is. You wipe Technology has failed me and my pants again. So this actually cracked me up because at my at at my work, they tried this. Right? They put a bunch of automatic dispensers in. Yeah. And, them boys don't have no tolerance for that. Those were taken apart in three days. The covers are gone. People are robbing as many towels as they want. You know what I'm saying? The soap dispenser bag is out. People are hand squeezing it. They have no
tolerance for this at all. Because you'd go in there and be like, my hands are wet. And one would come out. You're like, what is this for? Like, if I'm if if I shed a tear because there's an onion in the room, I can't get anything done with this thing. I just got done rebuilding an engine. I'm covered head to toe with dirt, and you're like, and this, like, eight by 11 sheet or whatever comes out, you're like, no. No. No. I I have tools to take apart that engine. I have tools to take apart this dispenser. Yeah. And it was too. It was gone. Cover's missing. There's and how it just rolls. Just the people just roll it all day like a Mardi Gras paper towel.
People don't put over that crap for nothing. So here's the here's the difference where Mike works when I work. I go into my I go into the bathroom at work three weeks ago, and the water in the middle faucet is, like, like, pouring out pouring out. There's something wrong with the automatic dispenser. Right? It's coming out. And, like, someone has gone to their desk and got a a sticky note, and it says, maintenance has been cold, and then puts the sticky note above above the sink. And, like, there's no telling how long this thing's been spewing water. And I I looked around, and, like, I mean, this this full of dudes here. Right? And so I get underneath there, and I turn the water off. There has to be a shutoff for the water. Yeah. And so I'm like, the maintenance guy will figure out that I shut it off. Right? But I thought, like, what kind of white collar looks by this thing, and water's just streaming? Was like, I've got this handled. Calls the maintenance man. Well, he's got there's no desk near this thing. So he's had to walk, you know, four minutes back to his desk, found a sticky note, wrote it down, self satisfied, puts this note above the desk thing and walks away. I'm like, just turn off the water.
What the heck? Oh, I called a guy. Yes. He's on his way. I called one of the guys that works with Mike. He's gonna come out and help us out. Here he comes with his 85 keys. Ching. Ching. Ching. What's up here? Hey, Earl. You wanna help us out? Actually, the same thing happened. There was, like, two years ago, someone's complaining. Like, there's only there's only cold water coming out of the faucets. Did someone call maintenance man? And I went in there, I'm like, there's a hot you know, it's like a normal sink. It's there's a little thing in front of it. Right? But if you look down in there, there's two pipes that are coming in. So I just turned up the the hot water, and I had hot water. You know, I thought, done. That's right on. Done. There's only hot water coming out of the sink. What are you bathing in there? You know what I'm saying? You're just washing your hands. You have to do it in the lap of luxury just on your way done from going to the poop. You're like, I gotta have a luxurious hand washing. Give me 87 degrees.
What's wrong with you? That's there's gotta be some social experiment within there to find out what kind of people have the agency to fix something and who have the ability to just go, I called the maintenance guy. Actually, now here's the deal. That's generally the hero of the office, the guy who actually bothers to call the maintenance man. 15 guys came in and out that thing and thought someone else will handle this and walked away from it. No. That's true. Someone someone will save that dying person. No worries. Yeah. The the one so the one guy that called the maintenance man, he's the best we can do. He's the top of the line, the hero of the office. Employee of the month should be who called the maintenance guy. That's right. And with the Sean called maintenance 18 times this week, everybody get up for Sean. Good job, Sean. Great job, Sean. Man, did you beat your record of last month at fifteen? Yeah. Sure did. Yeah. To be honest, I broke a couple things. I saw it call him. It was coming close to the month, and I wanted to make sure I really won that record, so I snapped the faucet in half. Thanks all you guys for signing that card. That's the best. I wanted to call facilities on the coffee, but Ben keeps making it. I can't call anybody. It's always there. I I like to get merry up here to take a look and see what's all going with the coffee bottle. I've literally washed my hands with caustic chemicals because there's no sink around. Right? You know what I'm saying? People are like, it's not not warm enough. Hey, man. I've sprayed Windex on my hand, and then I rubbed them around and on the pants and off you go. Mike, I care about you as a brother. Stop worrying about this freaking bourbon deal. I should take You're doing just fine. Alright? You you do not need to figure out some other level of manliness. Just You're just fine. Nope. Okay. So one time, I actually washed my hands in a parts washer, and that's that's some really caustic stuff. And I didn't realize that's what it was, but I was rebuilding a a tire machine or something. It was really dirty. And, like, I so I gotta get stuff on my hands. And, like, I I after I there's a parts washer that you put, like, car parts in, them all up before you put them back on. And, man, mean, it's a acidic nasty business. Mike's just I'm gonna wash my hands in it. Singing happy birthday to me to make sure I do it right. Goes, you know, we have hand cleaner here. I'm like, well, it's like a faucet. And he goes, that's a parts washer. You can't use that to wash your hands. You'll get cancer. I'm like, I'm already on the way. You know I'm saying? Like, I think I was smoking a pack a day at the time and, you know, something like you know, I mean, parts washer, cigarettes, whatever. Okay. Legitimately, here's the deal. I drink bourbon, but I also the most manly thing I did recently was I refilled my antifreeze. That's that's what I got on my list. I need to be able to drink bourbon and go, yeah. That was good stuff. You don't need that. I'll trade you, boo. You give me some bourbon, and then I'll bring you some Widex.
I like this. Alright. Sound like a deal. A disciplinary panel of the Episcopal church has recommended that a California bishop be suspended for three years for trying to sell a congregation's property to a townhouse developer without its permission. Here's here's the reason I was drawn to this story. Does this seem like the punishment fits the crime? What? We're gonna have to let you go. Yep. For three years.
See you in 2021. Yeah. Like yeah. This man was a bishop. I mean, like, let's just call him the pastor of the church. Just say, isn't that a bishop? Without telling anybody, he decides to try to sell the church property to a townhouse development. And, like and then the panel gets together and goes, you know what? Three year suspension.
And I think to myself, this is not harsh enough. Right. This this man, this should be gone. There's no reason to retain his thing here. Mhmm. Like, this is this is preposterous behavior. Yeah. We're gonna have to let you go on one. Actually, like, on on on multiple levels. Right? Like, let's say that your your
position is bishop. Let's say it's your job. Yeah. Right? This is your job. These are your job duties. Well, you failed at that. You're basically stealing from the company. Right. Right? Okay. So, a, you're fired. You should never work here again. Okay. Let's say, well, he works for a church. It's not a legit job. Right? But it's position. He's given he's been given a position by God in a in a leadership position. Well, you're not really following God. You're trying to sell his property outright for for cash money, and and why screwing over everyone that goes in your congregation. So what? First Corinthians five style. You're gone. Yeah. I was gonna say, I think there's a pretty sweet word Paul uses that's basically do not associate with that man anymore. Cinnamon and monogamy. So long story short, I'm not sure what my Episcopal criteria that you've made of where a three year suspension does the deal, but, like, under logical standards, economical standards, and god standards, you're gone. Like, you just you can't even step in a building. Yeah. I yeah. He says a hearing panel for the disciplinary board for bishops rules four to one. Four to one. Someone someone says, nah. Nah. He's alright. Last Friday that the reverend j John Bruno should be suspended for three years and that the property of Saint James, the great church of Newport Beach, remain in control of the congregation. Did they have to vote on that? Was that like if they didn't say something, was like, well, we made a deal with the townhouse people. I suppose we gotta let them Can I assume that they were gonna knock it down
and put up townhouses? Was gonna say, I doubt they would keep the the church on the land. Like, the townhome places, like, we really like the scenery. We're gonna keep that dude think this was gonna go down? He sells it, and then, like, people show up next Sunday, and then the church is gone. They're like, wow. I wonder what weird. Yeah. They're putting up they're up townhomes. Yeah. I think those are is that guy laying stone? More stone. Yeah. Laying black. It is the, decision and sentence of the hearing panel that Bruno suspended for three years. During the period of his suspension, bishop Bruno shall refrain
from the exercise of the gifts of the ministry conferred by ordination. Interesting. Man, a way to make church corporate. And not exercise any authority over the real or personal property or temporal affairs of the church. Temporal. After thorough and detailed consideration of facts, positions, contentions, testimony, and documents, documents, the hearing panel has concluded that the scope and severity of bishop Bruno's misconduct as described above have unjustly and unnecessarily disturbed the ministry of omission of the church.
What? The ruling went on to recommend that all efforts by the Episcopal Diocese of Los Angeles to sell Saint James property must be halted and that the congregation retain control of the church. Saint James the Great is a casualty of bishop Bruno's misconduct acting as diocesan and corpse soleil.
While it was beyond the authority and ability of the hearing panel to fully assess what might have happened if Saint James the Great had been allowed to continue its ministry in his church facility, there's ample evidence of its viability and promise to convince the hearing panel that Saint James the Great was robbed of a reasonable chance to succeed as a sustainable community of faith. So I was I was watching a a video this week, by Francis Chan, and he was talking about Chinese the the Chinese underground church. Right? And he was explaining it to him. And, and and and he he went over there to experience it or whatever, and then he tried to explain how the American church work. He was trying to explain some of the differences between the American church and and the way that the Chinese underground church is working. And he's like, they laughed out loud at me. Like, they literally laughed at me.
And and not even like a that's a funny story, but how could you read this book and then end up doing that? Yeah. We read this book. We do this. You read this book, and you guys come up with this. And then these stories show up, and you're like, yes. Yes. Not only was the Chinese underground church right to be laughing at us, but, like, it should sink in more. Yeah. You know what saying? Like, that is the most ridiculous piece of information slash news slash church body operating in in a non godly, non god honoring way. And and even the the structure and the the the the disciplinary action, like, it's just a big pile of crap.
Like, it's not it doesn't mean anything to anybody. It's a bunch of words about noncommittal things. Like, it's just it's so stupid. It's laughable. Yeah. Yeah. You're right. Like, how how do you even digest, like, with the with with real, like, legitimate gospel issues going on in the world? And we're like, yeah. We were having a real problem with our man trying to sell the building to some townhouse developers. Yeah. We'll make him sit out out of the property dealing business of our church, but what you he can retain his management stuff. Management of what? You're not even leading people. You're not even leading the building. Your only job there is to not sell the building. Yeah. And you didn't do that. So, for fuller perspective, his his position is that he is selling it for, to cover legal costs, although it is not they don't describe what the legal costs were. And so the the the next reasonable question is why is the church incurring a bunch of legal costs that he has to sell the building to do it?
And, he says the congregation knew about it. Whatever disciplinary committee believes they obviously did not. So, like, even if he's making the case that it wasn't for financial gain, like, what have we gotten ourselves into that these are the these are the things that we're spending our time on? Yeah. I can't think of a, like, a single situation in which I think the church needs to sue anybody. And if the church is getting sued and has a bunch of legal costs, well, there's something wrong there too. What is going on in that situation? Like, we are called to make war. Like, legitimately,
there are people that are dying that, like, have no idea who Jesus is, or they know exactly who he is and don't freaking care because they feel like the church has destroyed what we think Jesus is. And then we get stuff like this where the bishop is trying to sell the church and the land it is on to townhouse developers, and then the church gets together and spends actual time with each other from the perspective of, hey. We need to discipline this guy. No. You need to shut your mouths, and you need to get out of that building. You need to go live love on people for Christ because that's what you're called to do, not figuring that stuff out. I'm not saying there's not a place for discipline within church. That is biblical. There is stuff in there where if people are doing stuff in the church, you have to deal with it, and you have to deal with it in in house. That is exactly true. But if we are taking that to the point of, hey. We're gonna make certain that this guy, our bishop, is gonna be, taken away from his ministry for three years where he cannot exercise any blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah Get out of your building. Get off your butt and go talk to someone about Jesus. Yeah. Here's the thing. It's like the truth of the matter is is like, let's say that let let's put it on the other foot for a minute. Let's say the church has some legit they in in incurred legit costs. Right? Like, they should be able to actually agree. It's like, well, sell the building, I guess. Yeah. We'll be fine. Yeah. Exactly. Jesus does not exist within these walls only. No. Alright. Sell it. We, you know, we got we got debts. We gotta be honest to deal with. Whatever. Sell the place. You know, it shouldn't have been a a deal. Like, the townhouse developer makes it sound like he was trying to skeeze his own personal gain or whatever. Maybe the guy is just like, look. We got $40,000
in debts. We got nothing. You know, we don't we don't have any money in the coffers. We got a building. It's the only thing we can do. We gotta pay our debts with something. We should sell the place, and, you know, whatever. Want me in the park or we'll get this straightened out. Oh, he didn't tell anybody. Like, he did not have a single conversation with anybody. Yeah. If it were a serious situation of the the church has debts, Jesus does not only exist within the confines of these walls. God will figure out a way to still love on people and and further his ministry, without this building. Guys, we gotta sell the place. We gotta sell the place. We gotta take care of stuff. Let's go love on Jesus somewhere else. A loving and Christ centered congregation would go, yeah. Yep. Yep. Let's get rid of this thing. This is just monetary stuff that we're holding on to. This is physical stuff we don't really need. We gotta get out of this building anyway. Sell it. We'll figure it out. Let's meet at his house. And I suppose like, so there's two things that I that I had a reaction to in this particular story. The first one was is, like, I don't,
if the man has otherwise not managed the property, well, just just be be done with it. Right? Like, whatever this disciplinary thing is, it seems like it seems overwrought. We should be, look. You're not faithful in the means. You can't lead people. You're gone. You may serve the lord Jesus, but you can't do it in the capacity you're not you're not handling it right. The second one though was, like, do we have the right mindset that says, like, let's say let's let's put put it this way. I'm gonna change the situation a bit. Let's say you own a church and you don't have any debts. You own the church outright. Some guy comes in, falls in the parking lot, and then decides to sue you for $10,000,000.
Right? He's gonna tie up your money and your time and your resources for three years. You let's say that you know that upfront. Here's the thing. Like, are you can you do you fight that? Or if you say, look. I I just I can't have the lord what the lord is doing be tied up for three years in this thing. I'm just gonna give up and sell the building, pay the man off, and go do gospel work somewhere else. I think that's awesome. Is that I mean, now I'm not saying that's always the right decision. I'm saying, does that cross your mind? Because that would cross my mind right away. But, like, I can't have this guy hog tying me. He's he's in the wrong. We're not. However, fine. Fine. I'll I'll give you the money. Sell the building. Take the 10,000,000. Jesus says that's gonna happen. We'll figure it out. But here's the thing. Like, that's a classic conundrum because because, I mean, I wouldn't answer the same way probably four or five years ago. You know I'm saying? I would have said, look. You know, I can't have you dragging God's church through the mud acting like we don't take care of our parking lot. That's ridiculous. You know? I don't know. We gotta fight this thing. We gotta prove we're right. And, like, I don't know. More The and more the gospel sets in and the more and the more that talking about people about Jesus sets in, it's like, yeah. You know what? Sell it. Give them the money. We'll you know, fine. I I can't be dealing with you for three years. You know how much time I'm gonna waste trying to prove that that we were right and we shovel our our walk correctly?
It it to what end? Right? Like, I I mean, every every hour I've been in court could have been an hour that I was talking to someone about Jesus. Right. And I chose not to do it Yeah. And get wrapped up with this. You Yeah. Something to think about. I don't I don't know. I don't how would answer that, but, like, I I would wanna I think that perhaps it should be on the table. Have I limited my scope to say, you know what? I I just what the the valuable thing I have is time and the ability to interact with people. And if this guy's gonna soak up our time and money, I'm out. I'm out. I'll I'll I'll just pay it. It's worth it's worth more for me to be able to do something else. Yeah. Anyway, just a thought. You're listening to Life From The Path. Hey. Here's here's one thing I wanna talk about. Shoot. Mike, you got some Dear Life From The Path? Do you wanna talk about your one thing? Or Yeah. Yeah. I'll talk about the one thing, then we'll do, like, a Dear Life From The Path. Okay. Then we got some other stuff we'll have to save for next week. So here's one of things I was thinking about. We we've been kind of we're taking a few weeks break from the show as other things were going on, and I was thinking to myself, like, what do we I don't know. Just what do we wanna focus on here? Like, we have we have an opportunity to get together at at least once a week and,
to talk about things that I feel like are important when it comes to living faithfully in service to Jesus. And one of the things that keeps coming up for me is is a core belief that says good news changes the world. And I know that's true for people personally, and I know that's true for, you know, the the I don't know. Seeing the kingdom spread into the world and seeing communities change and lives change. But, like, I also believe there is a tangible on Earth right now benefit to good news.
And how good news actually changes, how you see people, how you see the world, how you solve problems, and says, like, we're gonna act the way kingdom people act, or we're gonna solve problems the way kingdom people solve problems, and we're gonna recognize our responsibilities in light of that being faithful to God in all things. And so I I guess what what that has done for me then is I start looking out around me and said, look, I still live in this world. Right? One of the great mistakes of of evangelism is to make it sound like,
welcome welcome to the kingdom, sit on your butt, and and wait it out until Jesus returns. That's your job. But, like, it's not. Like, we're still part we are ambassadors for Christ. It's still our responsibility to take good news to the world. And frankly, I believe that it changes the world completely for the good. And so, anyways, we look out at the different problems of the day. The core question is is like, what does it look like for good news to impact this situation? And not just from a salvation perspective. I grant that that is a strong thing that Jesus offers, and that is a that is a fantastic thing. I I just don't think Tim Timmons said this in in the interview we did with him, like, a year or two ago
is that it's not the entirety. Like, we're actually cutting the story short by by that being the only thing we talk about. I actually think it changes how how people look at the world and how we, again, how we solve problems. So anyway, so, like, if I look at the various issues that go on around the world and and start asking the question, how how does good news
change this circumstance? How how would how does the gospel help solve this problem? And so as an example, let's look at one of the things that we're debating in our country and likely will continue to for for decades to come is government involvement and health care. A government caring for its citizens. To what extent is it responsible to care for its citizens? How does it use money? How does it use resources that they are taking from us from a taxable from a tax perspective? How does it use the money? What type of influence does government have in in regulating health care, in determining the type of care that people can have, and how do we ensure that otherwise people are being cared for who do not have the means to care for themselves? That is a relevant gospel question.
And so my broad question looking at that topic would be ignore the fact that we're talking about it from a political standpoint and that we're talking about from a government standpoint. Take the core problem on its own. People who need help with their health. Right? People who are sick, people who need to be cared for. And now from a gospel perspective, how does the good news help solve that problem?
Not only in concept, but tangibly, what is the mission of the church? What is the outpouring of the way Jesus interacts with his with his creation and how he calls his people to behave? How does that affect that discussion ignoring any other option and just say, how does good news change that? And so that's my that's my question to you. And it's a question that I'm gonna keep asking, I think, over, like, a really wide swath of
circumstances is how does the good news impact how we deal with people's need for health care? How does the good news impact
our concept of immigration, of of abortion, of, like, whatever whatever hot button problem or or or low level problem it is? Like, how does the good news
actually help solve that problem? And then so I and this is where I need your help because, like, I don't know that I've thought of every way of which the good news of Jesus Christ impacts tangible problems that we're having today. So, like, I wanna propose that that I'll post that on Twitter and, like, maybe you can help us out. Like, in what ways does the gospel help solve that problem? Okay? And then and list list them out tangibly. Maybe it's and an example of this one might be if if we feel like this, the the good news of the gospel is both a physical and spiritual thing, maybe it's churches should be trying to help people out for free. Right? Can we provide means of which people can be cared for through the church? And if that's an answer, then the follow-up question is gonna be, is anybody doing that? Like, we doing that as a as a group of people following Jesus? Are we actually
is the good news actually changing the world in this area? Are we living it out faithfully? And if it is because churches, for example, should be doing that kind of care. Is there anybody doing it around here and can we talk to them? And if it's not happening, maybe we have the responsibility to be doing it. And so that's kind of my trajectory, and I I I this is gonna take a long time, but I I kinda wanna start exploring the way good news changes the world in specific situations and intangible impacts and say, we don't know that, if we can't answer that question, we shouldn't be voting on it. We shouldn't be prescribing how a government otherwise impacts that or a different organization
or groups of people have it wrong if we can't look at the situation and say, this is how the gospel actually prescribes or otherwise speaks to how this situation should get solved by God or through the church or whatever it is. And so if we can answer that question, then I think we can informed now say, good. Now that I know that answer, to what extent should the government be involved? To what extent can I accept that other organizations can help out? Because we know the right answer from a gospel perspective. And so sorry. That's was a long winded way to describe this, but here's where I want your help is we're gonna pick a circumstance or a situation and I want you to help us answer how does the gospel how does the good news change that circumstance or help with that circumstance or aid in how we look at it? And then as we can compile those answers, we can start going line by line and saying, that is true, if the church is supposed to change, or if the gospel helps us look at this differently or whatever it is, is that happening? Is anybody doing that? And can we talk to them? Can we learn what they're doing? If it's supposed to be done and they're doing it, can we support it? Can we send them money? Can we volunteer for it? Can we give them resources? And if it's not happening and it should be, who are we to not be part of making it happen? And so it's it's a way to frankly, it's it's a way for us to look at the world and say the good good news should be changing the world and if it's not changing in this way, we should be doing it. And how do we get on board doing it? So I I wanna explore that with you guys over however long it takes. It's probably gonna be a never ending type of thing. But I I I think it will expand the types of people that we're talking about, help us to understand,
the different ways in which good news is actually changing the world so that we know it. Because I think there's an ignorance to how we see these types of things. I think we're not aware of of people that are doing those types of things and then we don't know that we can support them. We don't know that we can be part of it and we don't know that it's missing so that we can start and and be part of the work that's not occurring. So anyway, that's and and and and health care is gonna be the that's what we'll do for this for this week. I'll post it on Twitter. The the question to you guys is help us help us think through what our ideas here. How does the gospel how does the good news impact the liability of health care on on a citizenry? And then let's and then let's go from there, then we'll sniff it out from there. Does that make sense?
It it does to me. Yeah. Absolutely. Booba's not getting it. Here's the I'm lost. I'm gonna give you expanded remarks on this. Unless I you would Hey, man. I I don't think I have time for that. Me and Buva look over over a cup of bourbon. Yeah. Yeah. No. I think a little alcohol will help that conversation. A warm glass. So, anyway, I'll I'll try to figure out a more succinct way to say that so that you got something you can react to. But, like,
give it a shot. If you guys would be willing to help us out at least with that discussion and and and maybe just say, look. It's the gospel doesn't impact that. It's a it's a simple government problem. Help me understand why. And then, you know, it's it's something we can discuss, but, like, I I don't want your opinion on how the government should fix it, It's not the point. The point is is how does the how does the good news influence how we look at this particular issue? I got I got $5 that, it gets missed, and it goes to government only. Yeah. I think you're I think you're right. I think that will happen. And To to shame. Maybe our responsibility is to keep pushing back on that. It's like, let's ignore that aspect of it for now. Let's say that we don't have that that's not an option. Because, right, what what we're asking is how do I look at it? And then I can understand how to solve it and what resources are out there to do it. But like if we don't know how to look at it right, we're never gonna come up with the right reasons. We're we're we're being dependent on the resources available
to tell us how to look at something. And that's a that's the false dichotomy. It's a false perspective. And so I wanna I wanna make sure that like, can I run these things through a gospel lens? And then I know that then I know what I'm dealing with. Okay. Anyway, that's the thought. Dear life from the path.
Our son-in-law, Brody, has a very different lifestyle than ours and the one in which we raised our daughter. I pointed it out to her while they were dating, and she was not pleased. I decided to say no more and try to accept him as best as possible. Although I admit, my husband has been better at it than I have. One thing that continues to bother us is that whenever we invite them out for dinner, Brody will order the most expensive thing on a menu. He also has a couple of drinks, upgrades his salad, and orders dessert. By the time he's done, the cost of his meal is double that of everyone else's.
Although we can afford it, we feel this is bad manners. I'm not sure if he's trying to take advantage of advantage of us or if he just thinks, he's entitled. Our daughter thinks he's wonderful and doesn't seem to mind that he does this. I worry that it may reflect badly on her when they are out with others. Is this acceptable? Do we grin and bear it, or should we say something? And if so, what do we say? Hey. You don't know how to take people out to dinner. Yeah. Stop it. I mean, because you've been skimming it the last ten years. What's your problem? Your hospitality does not need to end at a certain dollar
Like, if you if you want that person to go out, then you either have to be the schmuck that goes, now, Brody, remember, we're taking you out, and this is on us. So make sure that you're ordering the the bare bones menu. Or you learn how to frigging be hospitable and just go, okay. Well, that's who he is. That's what he wants. That's what I'm paying for. I'm not saying you have to get taken advantage of everywhere you go, but, like, shut up. Here's the thing. Like, if Brody if Brody goes out to eat with just him and, your daughter and he orders the same stuff And then buys it for himself. That's Brody just being Brody. Yeah. Yeah. You know I'm saying? Like, I mean, you gotta give the man a little wiggle room. And I'm sorry that you've been paying to have someone else make your food and then getting the bare bone. I mean, when we go out to eat, I'm like, you know what? Soda, everybody. We're already spending the money. We might as well starch. Get soda. I mean, it's gonna be $25 or it's gonna be 45. I don't get I don't care. We're not eating at home. So you guys wanna split a cake with me or something? You know? I I mean, go dessert? Out to eat is kind of a deal. You know? And so, like, you've been paying other people to you've been basically paying an increased price for bologna sandwiches. Like, what's wrong with you? You're gonna go out to eat? Go out to eat. You know? Do do do good things. God created good and awesome things and do why don't you do that? Well, you ruined going out to eat. Instead of going twice a week, just go once and go to a good place and get something to eat. And on top of that, it is not your job as the the woman's parent to point out more things bad about her husband.
Like, it is not your job to go, hey. If you haven't considered something awful about Brody, let me throw it in your face and see if I can cause more marital problems. Yeah. How do you say That's not how you fix crap. How do you say dear life in the path? We've we've raised our daughter to be very, very worried about what other people think, especially when out to eat. And this Brody doesn't seem to give a crap. How do we fix that? That's how they make it seem. Like, when he do it, like, he could do it in a a match his way. Like, you know, like, hey. Let me get that. Yeah. You never know. Like, it's a respectable way to it's a respectable way to do things, and then it's a a disrespectful way to do things. Well, I mean, do you think they're like, hey. You know, that comes with a side salad, and he's like, upgrade my salad. Large. He could just feel comfortable. He could just be content with the situation and and know that they do have the money or, you know, to take care of that. But like you said, go back to if he do those things on his own, like, if he goes out
and and with his own money is do the same thing, then I don't think it's really a problem. I mean, how would you know that? You gonna ask him? Brody, do you do you die like a king on your own day? I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure they got the the number one source, the daughter. Yeah. That's right. Does Brody do this everywhere? Yeah. Brody, when was the last time you got the 24 ounce T bone steak? Yeah. The last time I went up. Be a big boy. He could. He got an appetite. Like, you don't know. Hey, man. I'm a big boy. I do not get that 24 ounce T bone steak. Do you do you try to tone your order down based on who you're out to dinner with? No. But I don't really order that. Well, you're not. I don't order expensive stuff. I mean, I Just big appetite. You know? If I, yeah, if I want expensive stuff, I'm a cook it for myself. Like, if I want a 24 ounce T bone steak, I'm not gonna go to a steakhouse and spend $40 for it. I'm gonna go to a butcher and spend $20 on it and cook it better. No. I mean But you everybody can't cook like you, boobah. No. And but that that's what I'm saying. Like, I I would much rather just eat a normal like, I'm not gonna go get the most expensive item because the chances are it's not gonna be that great. I don't know. I order what sounds good. Understood. And if I go to a steakhouse that's $70, I'm a get the $25 bacon cheeseburger because I wanted a bacon cheeseburger. Here's the deal. It's a pretty obtuse dude who orders the most expensive Vibek on the menu, a couple of a couple alcoholic beverages and an upgraded salad. Mean Agreed. I mean Upgrade my salad.
He could be a cocky guy. That's the only thing I believe too. I mean, here's the news. I get it. Like, people like, there was a point where I was trying to watch what I was eating, and so I was eating a lot of fish. And fish are inherently more expensive Yeah. In this in this part of the country. Right? And so, like, I knew it was gonna be pricey, and I was a little bit careful about it. But, like and there's a sense that when other people are paying, you don't wanna be perceived as taking advantage of them. So it's either one or two things. Either he recognizes that perception and does not give a fly and flip about about it Mhmm. Or he he doesn't recognize that perception at all and and isn't
and so basically doesn't understand why anybody would be upset with him. He's gotta be I would call that part ridiculous. Like, there's you gotta be really, really of an exception of a dude to be in that category. So my guess is that he knows it. He knows he doesn't consider taking advantage. He's just otherwise making the best of an offer that somebody made. Yeah. I'm not disagreeing with that statement, but, like, the the parents are the one who's asking for advice. They just need to deal with being generous. Yeah. So here's the thing. Is I there is here's here's what I would do. Here's what I do to test the situation.
Because here's the deal. You you don't have to I don't know that you have to tolerate someone who's intentionally taking advantage of you. No. I take him from McDonald's. What's the worst thing Like, you do not have to do that. But if you've chosen to be generous in this situation, you can't just put parameters on it. No. Yeah. So here's what I do. I would show up. I wouldn't mention it, and I would just, one of those dinners, I would just have him pay for his own meal. And then if he thinks the option that he might have to pay for his own meal and he orders differently next time, you'll know you found the man. I'll just have the side salad. Just wait till the end and be like, that's two chits. Yeah. Two chits. And then Brody goes, oh, crap. Yeah. That's what I a barista. Now here's the thing. As much money. If if Brody goes, oh, crap.
Right? You caught a man who was trying to take advantage of Agreed. Yep. I just I agree with that. There's a good chance this guy is a shyster. Yep. It sounds like he is. I don't I cannot imagine any situation where I would be with somebody and then take like, their parents take me out to dinner. I get the most expensive thing, a cup of alcoholic drinks, get the upgraded salad deal. Right? Like Upgrade my salad? That's a shiesty deal. Yeah. If the parents are continually doing that,
they are taking on that burden on themselves. The quit. I think they're asking whether they can continue to do it. I don't think they need to to to call this person out in this deal. They just take them to either a different place where you can't do that or stop taking him out. Actually, hold on. I I I rescind my I rescind my suggestion. You need to just talk to the man. Yeah. As the parent? They yeah. What what what what? He's not he's not a foreigner. No. I'd send the dad and do it. Like a guy that just you know, he's just saying like a guy that that's basically cocky to me. Like, he may feel like, man, his vibe is so great that people will wanna be just be around him. Like, his presence must bring some type of spark
around people, and he can just feel like I love the way you put stuff, Nick Harris. Yeah. His vibe is so great, and he got a spark about him. Breaks his good things. He could be the guy that crack all the jokes and, oh. Yeah. I'm brody. He felt like he's he's I'm my salad. That's right. He's earning a couple drinks and an extra Cobb salad. Yeah. He's talking his way. He's finessing his way into getting things he want, basically. Yeah. I I I don't there's here's the deal. There's never anything wrong with talking to man. Okay. Yeah. No. That's not I'll agree with that. I think that's fine. I mean, how that conversation gonna go? I'll be Brody. Okay.
Hey, Brody. Wait. But but was gonna do it wrong because he don't support the premise. Hey, Brody. Yeah. I find that whenever we go out to eat, you always order the most expensive item on a menu and a couple bruskies, and you upgrade your salad. Upgrade my salad. I say I say, Brody,
like, if you if if you was paying for this thing, will you feel like you would act the same? You'd order the same stuff? You know what they used to call me back in college? What did they call you? Uplift my salad. Handed off my uniform and everything. I'm sorry. What were you talking about? That's that's the question I asked. I say I say not everyone not everyone orders this way, and I'm just interested to know if you were paying,
would you be ordering all the same things? Well, I mean, at this stage in my life, I feel like I mean, I can't I don't have the money to eat like that, but you guys invited us out everything, and you guys are doing alright. So, you know, I thought maybe that yeah. What was the question, pops?
My missus got a hit on me. You're no longer damn married to my my my daughter. Tell them like, man, I forgot my wallet at home. Yeah. And see how far that go. Like Just to clarify, what you're saying is that if you were paying, you would not order this way. Well, I mean, I can't afford to eat like that on my own dime. You know? That's expensive. Do you think it's inappropriate to eat like that on my dime? Well, I mean, you offered to take me out. I mean, you know, Brody. Brody does seem like the kind of guy that would yell his own name as a retort. Brody.
I was like, oh, man. Blackjack Brody. I'm here. Where are the Two shots of burpes. Okay. Fair enough, Brody. Yeah. You're right. We did offer to take you out. I'm actually glad glad buy you dinner. I don't mind doing that.
I would note that though, in this circumstance, this might not be be seen the same way across to all, all situations. Generally, like, if someone's offering to buy, it may feel like,
at times, like it has for me that you're taking advantage of the situation. What are your thoughts? Boy, I feel like my parents should have taught me this or something. I mean, I've been doing this my whole life. We go to McDonald's. I'm like six Big Macs right now. Brody. Brody. Good. I'm glad we had this talk. I would expect this to, impact how you see this in the future, not only with us, but perhaps with other people you dine with. You know, to be honest, I was just imagining myself in a on a movie poster, and I completely wouldn't listen to anything you would say. Do they have bourbon here? It's a movie called upgrade my cellar.
Top chef. Alright. Let's see what Segular has to say. Segular says, if you bring the subject up, I can almost guarantee that what you say will not be well received. What do you mean? That just worked out great? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Totally. Here's the deal. Actually, to Ben's point, I would never shy away from this conversation. I have these conversations with my kids all the time. I'm pretty straightforward on whether acting like a bunch of boobs. I can't imagine that I would allow this son-in-law Brody. I mean, he got it's just like the it's just like the guy in in in first Corinthians five. Right? The man acted like a doofus. Like, you if you love him, you tell him so. And if he ain't gonna change it, you kick him out. Right? Here's the way you act in here. If you're not gonna act like that in here, you're gonna get out. And that's that's the deal. I I I love my kids enough to say, look. You know, when you go out in public or when you this is the etiquette when you go out with people. And if Brody's gonna be in my family and and and cuddle up next to my daughter after they're married, then here's the deal, Brody. You're gonna get your act together. You're not gonna act like this all the time. And so if I don't love him enough to say that, I don't love him.
So I I I think the the the right move, and it's not even a bold move. It's just the right move is to talk to the man. Yeah. Mhmm. Let's see. I assume those dinner invitations would be few and far between, and you would have to explain the reason to your daughter. When they dine out with contemporaries contemporaries. What?
Would you like to dine out with me contemporary? Hipsters. Presumably, the bill is split between the couples. If that isn't the case, it probably wouldn't happen twice because the other couple would likely request separate checks. Hey. Yeah. I would so here's the deal. It was like after I had that conversation, I would I would ask for separate checks, then I'd probably pay them both anyway, but I'd like to see them sit at it just Sweat it out a little bit? Yeah. Mhmm. Yeah. They don't take Discover, Brody. Yeah. Hope you brought your dish ready. Oh. Here's the thing. Is is there Just upgrade that wallet, Brody. Here's here's where I I'm I
think I think we need to be careful because, like No. I don't. Not a whole lot. I think we're on the right track, Bill. No. So so Buber Buber's perspective is understandable. Right? Like, if you're gonna offer, you should be gracious. And, like, who is it? Dave Erick's always talking about, like, we like, if you're gonna be do something, be lavish about it. We we just feel like we're not marginally gracious. We're just gracious. Okay. Dave Erick also insists when people ask about how that we can afford to take people out. I was supposed to say, I have a backer. And when they say, who's your backer?
I'm supposed to say, god. No. He has he does not say that. Of course, he does. With his big Dave Herrick smile Yeah. And he means it. Alright. That does That does sound hey, man. But he's he's genuine about that. I know. You and I would do I I got a backer. Maybe the lord Jesus did it back there. My backer. Like, I'm some kind of pool shark or something. Anyway So so, like, so I I agree with that. But, like, I don't know like, it is also like, if we have a responsibility to otherwise not allow I I don't think as part of being gracious,
it says, go ahead and let foolishness go on underneath you and turn a blind eye to it. I I think there are plenty of opportunities to be gracious that don't allow people to act ridiculous, especially people you have influence over. I agree with that, but that's not it within the scope of what we're talking about. We're talking about taking taking someone out to dinner. Yeah, Ben. What? Like, I I agree with the concept. The generosity does not necessarily have to come with being, taken advantage of. However Yep. We're we're dealing with lunch. We're dealing with dinner. Oh, no. No. If Brody comes up to me if Brody comes up to me and and comes in and it comes into the whole generosity of like, hey, man. You should be generous because Jesus says so. Can I have your car? No. No. I'm not gonna give you my car. But if you come up to me and say, hey, man. You willing to spend $40 on my dinner? Well, I invited you out. Sure. No. Now now hold on a minute. You've intentionally slighted this like some sort of, like, cable news show analyst. First of all, you you you you throw out lunch as if it slides it that he's getting, a sack lunch and a diet soda. No. That's why I said $40 per month. The most expensive item, a couple of drinks Agreed. Upgrade itself. Agreed. But you were the one you were the one who invited him out multiple times.
Times you're right. You are absolutely right. There is place where generosity does not mean you have to be taken advantage of. I would never say that you need to. I people deal with that all the time where they have to be generous, but then you don't necessarily have to be taken advantage of just because you're Jesus folk. I agree with that statement. Don't be a dummy and and give every bit of your money away to every single person because you think Jesus is so thing that's already happened. Like, let's say I invite you over to help me paint my house. And after it's done, I'm like, Buba, thanks for helping me paint my house. Let's go out to dinner, man. I'll cover it. And so we run to the Applebee's, and you order $75 worth of food when we're at the Applebee's. You I you've already taken advantage of me because I was under the assumption that you would have ordered a reasonable meal, and you came out of left field and ordered, like, $80 worth of food. Like, are they supposed to premeditate that? Boova, you selfish bastard. Yeah. It's the Applebee's, Boova. What'd you order? I agree with that. I'm not I'm not saying anything for the merit of the person that's willing to rack up a $75 Applebee's bill, but you do not exist in the place where you are there to to to,
let your generosity be housed on their merit. It is not force this this is force duty. Here's the deal. So wait. You're saying Mike has no You're saying has no right. Them out again. You guys said Mike has no right to invite him out to dinner again unless he's willing to accept the premise that you can act like the conversation. And here's the deal. You want. I'm not saying against the conversation. I'm saying have that freaking conversation. But if you're already out to dinner, the dude's already being a boob, deal within that situation, and then afterwards go, hey, Brody. That was a really jerk thing to do. You and I both know you didn't need to order all that stuff. You probably wouldn't do it on your own. Let's not do that again. And if he does it a freaking second time, stop inviting him out to dinner. But That's true. If Boova's behavior was after the house painting incident that he spent $80 at the Applebee's, the next time we were in town and the wife's like, we should take Boova, I'll say, no. Remember? No. Remember that last time you ordered $75 for the Applebee's? He was a schmuck. I'm not taking on him again. No. No. No. I Maybe we can go to the Mickey D's and see what he can do. I understand that, but that that's it's a bit of an evasive response to the conversation. Because the the point is, like, if you've not had the conversation, you can have the conversation,
but it is not wrong for you to expect or or feel like it's okay to limit what people do just because you've made a gracious gesture. Right? Just because I say, hey, friend. Would you wanna come into my house and cool down for a while? It's hot outside, and I saw that you were working because I say that to my neighbor. I also that is not my acknowledgment that he could use my house at any time he wants I'm not saying my my problem is not with the expectation that they should act reasonably. But you and I both know that doesn't ever happen. Like, it rarely happens to where people live up to your happy expectations. People are crap. We are inherently crap.
People do stupid stuff all the time. People take advantage of you all the time. You do have to set limits on it, but at the same point in time, if you're already out to dinner, the guy's already been a boob, freaking pay for it. And then the next time, just go, hey, man. That was a schmuck deal. Let's not do that again. Well, no. You're right. I mean, that's not a I'm not against that conversation. I'm not saying that's a problem. If you're at dinner with that guy, you've already invited him out. He's already been a schmuck. That's not the right time to go, hey, Brody. You're a schmuck. I'm not paying for you. Well, You freaking pay for him in the situation. You have the conversation with him afterwards. Hopefully, your expectation's better in the first place, and, hopefully, he's better for it. But when you're in the scenario, generosity, just freaking do it. That's not $5 is not that big of a difference between the 25. I know that I'm splitting hairs there, but it's the truth. Well, right, but that's not a notion of generosity. That's simply you don't wanna start a fight in the middle of it. No. No. I'm not saying don't start the fight. Start the fight. Have the conversation later said not to do it then. Don't do it then. Would you really think that's gonna be a good conversation to have at that point in time? Like, when's the right time to discipline your kids? I do it right now. That's right. In fact, I'm gonna call home right now. I'm sure they do best. That's not fair. Brody's not your child. Brody is not your child, the person. Brody not not your child. The person you're trying to have a conversation with about dinner is not your child. This is not a disciplinary situation with you and your child. Yeah. It is. This is you are an He's in an intimate community with me. He's doing a part adult talking to another adult. It is not invite Angela Merkel out. I you know what I'm saying? Like, this is a dude that I see on the regular. I wouldn't let one of my friends act like that. I agree. Something tell me that this guy just pops up at places too. They don't Like, call he just pop up like like his daughter just text mom and dad, like, hey. Where are you guys at? And then they just pop up at the restaurant. What's for dinner? Ding dong. And I was already there. Order some extra cheddar biscuits. We come and buy them red lobster. Hey, man. I know you guys got the Dish Network, and I really wanted to watch the show. I'm showing up. Alright. Good to see you. What's for lunch? What's for lunch? Here's the deal. Brody stomach a burger. I don't have it. Brody's hungry right now. I don't have any problem if I was out to dinner with Mike and Mike ordered some kind of massive deal to the waiter for me to look over at Mike and said, hey, man. Next time, I ain't paying more than $20 for you. Don't take advantage of me. I don't have any problem doing that right now. I agree. He's also your brother. Will I do it to you? This is my son-in-law. I I Your I I We just met, Boof. I don't be acting like we go way back. Oh, really? We do. Okay. Sorry. Hi. By the way, my name is Boof. Nice to meet you. Yes. Excellent. My apologies. And I wouldn't would not do anybody the disrespect of not saying that regardless of how long we've known each other. Hey, dude. I you could say that right now, but I highly doubt it. You're mistaken. Knowing you, I highly doubt it. You have no idea how socially awkward I can be. But that's my point. I could definitely do it. No. That's not actually, that's that's not true. It's not the same situation, but, like, I've had conversations with people that, like, I it was like a business lunch, and I'd known them for maybe an hour. And they did something weird. I I don't know. Like, they were eating something in a funny way. I'm like, hey, man. You always eat your corn on the cob like a weirdo because, I mean, look ridiculous the way you're eating that corn on the cob. And I would consider that a very similar conversation to someone trying to take advantage of me. You would consider, hey, man. You eat corn on the cob funny in comparison to, hey. You probably have a serious character flaw about you in which you constantly take advantage of people who are trying to be Yeah. But I wouldn't say it like that. I would say, hey. But those are the conversations we're talking ordered an $8 meal. Those are You ordered a $40 meal. You're a jerk face. I would You will be paying for your $40 meal. Actually, so I would say actually, I probably would say, hey, man. Everyone always order an $8 meals. You you ordered 40. What are your thoughts?
Yeah. $40 Say what are your thoughts, man? Play for lunch. Like, I mean, how long does it last for you? First off, you guys can continue to say that. Highly doubt it, first off. But still, continued here. I I fine. That's different for time we go out. That is different for me. I would I would pay for the person there and then have a conversation with them later. Even at Outback Outback Steakhouse Even at Outback? Had to man, $20 for us. $20, boo. Yeah. How about ridiculous. That's what you get for going to a chain steakhouse that never went to Australia to figure out their menu.
Well, I'm saying, like, Subway only. I mean Yeah. You don't go to the Outback and go, hey. Where's the blooming onions? They go, here they are. Aplenty. I love those. Like, that's that's not the situation. That's right. The aboriginals are not like, blooming onion. That does not happen. We we
ate some kind of gecko from the ground, and here's our fried blooming onion with our fancy sauce. Do you guys have any bourbon? No. What's the what's the secular advice? We already read it. What was it? Yeah. I'm not sure. It was something about they're gonna split the Bills. Probably shut his mouth. No. I'm not. Yeah. Can't get a word in Ed White. But I get where Boo coming from. Like, I'm I'm Of course. Nick Harris will meet him halfway. Go ahead, Nick Harris. Meet him halfway. He's an alright guy. Meet him halfway. I'm not going to let y'all jump on boob, man.
I mean This has been going on for, like, eight years. I don't care. What a good being. Man. Nick Harris, you'd be like, Here's the deal. Here's the show that I can't wait for is when Bufa starts creating robotic mosquitoes in his basement. And then we'll see where Nick Harris is at.
Nick Harris is like, hey, man. I'm not really for that robot mosquitoes, dude. Like, that's DNA you're trying to take on people. I mean, it's Move you right. Put me in a bad spot here. I see where Move is coming from. I wanna meet you halfway on this robot mosquitoes thing. I got a cell phone. That's basically a robot mosquito. Paid for him with the chip in his wrist. Take that, Harrison. Man, I'd rather spend my night seeing Mike drink half a shot of bourbon. I'm coming over there. Hang on. I gotta get some bourbon. I've got boobys gonna hook me up. I'm a hook you up. This is gonna be great, man. Good. I
just got a bottle of bourbon for my birthday. Let me get to you. Did you really? Yeah. I mean, is it high end? Yeah. It's really high end. It's called high end bourbon? No. It's called rebel yell. I wish it was called high end bourbon. Okay. Well, I will I will I will put a Post it like that dude did on that faucet for Ben, and I will say high end. Maintenance is coming. Yeah. High end. Yeah. Say it like that. Maintenance is coming. Oh, man. You ever listened to live from the path on live from the path? You know, you probably ain't listening on the website, to be honest with you. Our traffic's low.
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, people stop. But, actually, it's weird. I I keep, I don't if you guys get the notification from Facebook, but, like, I get a few days. Like, hey. Someone new has looked at live from the path. I'm like, the heck is that happening? Yeah. Do you just wanna message him real quick? Why were you here? It won't tell me who it is. Otherwise, yeah, like, inquirers, like, what happened to your life, buddy? But here's the deal. It's like, I've I I I listened to back to a few, few past shows. I'm like, well, actually, this is kinda helpful. Okay. So, I mean, here's the deal. There might be some value to it. Yeah. Heck yeah. Okay. Alright. There we go. Finally, I got it. Hey, you wanna leave your list alive, man. Thanks for hanging out with us. We're glad to be back. So, hey hey, seriously, help help me out here. Like, I know we're not good at keeping up with some stuff, but, like, I really would like to have some of these conversations about gospel change the world. So if you can join us on Twitter or Facebook and and maybe respond that way, help us I wanna have the right conversation. You don't have to have all the answers. Just wanna have the right conversation. And so help us out with that. Let's see. Hey. Tim Timmons is gonna be in Oskaloosa on August 5. I mean, he's got he's coming right up. Soon? Yeah. Yeah. He's coming right up. I'm going. It's a done deal. I wanna go. Me and the kids are gonna go. Okay. Crap. I gotta figure that out because I wanna go. I'll go. Yeah. Alright. Everybody's in. Can I ride with you? Harris, you coming? Yeah. Okay. Harris gonna come. Well, alright. Hey. Bring me that bourbon in a paper bag. Deal. You ain't drinking that bourbon up to the Tim Timmons Show. On the Oski Square. You're gonna be sauced in Oski talking to Timmons. I've been making that noise. Tim was like, why is that guy hate the show?
He's breathing fire in the back row. Like a pharaoh cat. Is here like, man. And next week, hopefully, we'll be able to catch up with Dan. Dan Hudson is back from recent a trip to Zimbabwe. Sounds like a lot of cool stuff. I'm interested to hear his, his take on, I don't know. How how does that change how he looks at ministry here?
How does it change on how he looks on the types of things that we do outside of these walls and the and the rest of the world? And, and and actually seems like it'd be a good good part of the conversation that we're starting today. So, anyway, we'll look forward to hearing from Dan next week. In the meantime, be faithful in the means. God will handle the ends. You've been listening to Live From The Path.
