Live From The Path · Season 2019, Episode 15
Zimbobster
Topics covered
- Short-term missions trips — Going overseas to serve, evangelize, and plant churches. ≈ 3:10
- Planting new churches — Starting new congregations, as at Chichichi, Zimbabwe. ≈ 3:10
- Spiritual hunger and responsiveness — The contrast between eager reception of the gospel abroad and apathy at home. ≈ 10:06
- American church culture critique — Comfort, manufactured division, and low expectation in the American church. ≈ 10:06
- Spiritual vitality and revival — Catching fire from seeing God work; revival energy that spreads. ≈ 10:06
- Telling stories of God's work — Sharing accounts of God acting as fuel for faith. ≈ 23:52
- Remembering God's works — Altars, Ebenezers, journals, and records that keep God's past faithfulness present. ≈ 28:15
- Trusting God's goodness and activity — Whether God is living, active, and good toward his people. ≈ 29:58
- What worship is and how it's practiced — The nature of worship, music's role, and manufactured versus genuine experience. ≈ 42:56
- The Holy Spirit's presence and work — Discerning the Spirit's genuine presence from manufactured emotion. ≈ 42:56
- Prayer, personal and corporate — Ways of praying alone and together, and prayer as the engine of revival. ≈ 52:16
- Navigating difficult friendships — Honesty, boundaries, and stepping back from destructive friends. ≈ 1:14:01
- Aging family relationships — Friction with elderly relatives and how to handle it. ≈ 1:20:52
- The making of the show — Intros, jokes, the complaint line, polls, and outros. ≈ 0:00
Segments
- Show open and introductions 0:00–3:09
Ben opens the show from the Pathway studios in Johnston; Mike introduces the full crew after a thin week — Dan is back from Zimbabwe, Mike himself is back from Skyping in a hotel room last week, and guest Jake Brennan joins in the studio. Opening banter about Boova trying to introduce himself.
- Dan's Zimbabwe trip report 3:10–10:05
Dan recounts the Zimbabwe missions trip: a Friday-to-Sunday revival that launched a new church at Chichichi, a growth point split by a river where villagers cross crocodile water to attend; an undeveloped area where the team may have been the first white people locals had seen, with children touching their skin. He tells the hotel story — the only two hotels in the area, one the women were sure was a brothel with drugs in the room, so they all bunked in one room while Dan stayed miles away. Also: orphanage visits, a teammate beginning an adoption, Bibles and a keyboard for churches, a bicycle for a pastor who walks eight miles to work, and a treasured Shona Bible for a sponsored student.
- Fishing where the fish are 10:06–13:13
Reacting to Dan's report, the hosts contrast Zimbabwe's hunger for the gospel with American apathy — free doughnuts and air conditioning versus people wading through crocodile rivers to hear about Jesus. Ben suggests maybe they should ‘fish over there,’ where people want to know Jesus. Mike and Dan add that the excitement can't be manufactured; it starts like the flicker in Acts 2 and spreads because people are actually seeing God work.
- Jake on returning to Ethiopia; cumulative witness 13:14–19:50
Jake says his first Ethiopia trip overwhelmed him — he didn't soak any of it up until weeks later — and he's eager to return now that he knows what to look for. The hosts discuss how repeated visits build real relationships: villagers realize you crossed an ocean because Jesus sent you, and that cumulative witness — ‘Jesus keeps sending people here’ — is how orphans and villagers come to know him. Dan adds a follow-up: a teenager from the orphanage who came to faith at last year's revival is still growing a year later.
- The teammate who didn't look like she belonged 19:50–21:31
Dan tells of an African American teammate who worried how Zimbabweans would receive her — she looked like them but knew neither the culture nor the language, leaving her feeling neither American nor African. In the end nobody cared what color she was; race simply wasn't an issue there. Ben contrasts that with America, where he says people manufacture racial and religious division because they have the time and comfort for it.
- The danger of bringing your brand of awesome 21:33–23:51
The hosts name the two edges of short-term missions: the chance to see Jesus work and be changed, and the danger of going to feel great about yourself — ‘taking my brand of awesome’ somewhere it isn't currency. Ben says he's softened from outright skepticism toward missions: the posture that works is ‘let me see what you want me to see,’ whether in Philadelphia, Chicago, Ethiopia, or Zimbabwe.
- Telling God's stories; the mother and her daughter 23:52–28:14
Mike says he's cut out most Christian books except Scripture and stories of God at work — seeing God move is what sets people on fire. Ben wishes the wider church had a hub for sharing those stories, the way Paul's letters circulated news. Dan then tells of a mother at the Chichichi revival whose twelve-year-old daughter cannot walk: the mother came to faith Friday night, carried her daughter all weekend, and was folded into the new church with joy. The team hopes to fund a wheelchair or wagon for the girl, given anonymously through the local church.
- Remember what God did 28:15–29:58
Picking up Mike's point, Jake notes how rarely American churches talk about even small things God has done. Mike argues for replacing the morning news with ‘what did Jesus do yesterday,’ and adds that remembering God's past works — the way the Old Testament prophets constantly point back — informs today and tomorrow. A high view of Scripture doesn't preclude the community from talking about what God is doing now.
- Is God good, and is he paying attention? 29:58–32:04
Ben says he's not a fan of spotlight devotionals but would sign up for plain stories of God acting — even Voice of the Martyrs mostly makes him feel guilty by comparison. He frames the core struggle behind following Christ: people doubt whether God is living and active, and even if he is, whether he's good. Quoting a Josh Garrels lyric — ‘wonder why the good man dies, the bad man thrives, in Jesus Christ because he loves them both’ — the hosts agree the church needs more stories showing God as a God of action.
- Nightly debriefs: 'what did God do?' 32:05–34:11
Dan describes the trip's nightly debriefs — twelve people going around the room naming what they saw God do — as the engine that changes people, including the ones who came for the wrong reasons. Jake parallels it with his Denver youth-trip small groups, where the whole evening was spent naming one way they saw God working.
- 'What did we see God do?' as a church habit 34:12–36:18
Mike proposes making ‘what did we see God do?’ a standing church question — if forty people have no stories, that itself reveals whether anyone expects God to be working. Ben adds the other half: when you return from a trip, don't stop gathering to ask what God is doing; the difference between Zimbabwe and Monday at the office is mostly what you've allowed to fill your attention.
- Altars and Ebenezers 36:19–42:56
Boova teaches on biblical remembrance: God isn't only in Zimbabwe or Ethiopia — he's in Bondurant and Altoona too. The hosts contrast manufactured spiritual highs with marking where God actually moved, like the Old Testament altars — Joshua's stones at the Jordan, naming a place for what God did there. Mike adds that God's law built in memory practices (hauling the heifer to the sacrifice meant you didn't forget), and suggests modern equivalents: write it down, tell the stories, set the marker — the sacrifice of Jesus should make us more remembering, not less.
- Manufactured presence: key changes and fog machines 42:56–49:48
Ben asks whether worship leaders can tell the difference when the Holy Spirit shows up — would the set go the same either way? The hosts discuss Ichabod, rehearsed key changes designed to fake the Spirit's movement, and the danger of manufacturing feelings: people ‘accept’ an emotion, not Jesus, and it collapses by day eight. Mike defends Chris Tomlin — the manipulation isn't the songwriter's fault — and says he's learning to love any Jesus song that properly reflects God, whatever the style.
- Worship is ascribing worth 49:49–52:16
Jake confesses he's caught himself worshiping the music instead of Jesus and now checks his motives when a song moves him. Boova reframes worship as ascribing worth to God — not inherently music at all: he worships reading God's speech to Job (‘do you know where the rains are kept?’), and one of his most shattering worship moments was simply repeating the names Yahweh and Yehoshua, not knowing the song's words.
- Favorite way to connect with God 52:16–1:03:12
Ben asks each person their favorite way to connect with God. Jake: two solitary hours in the woods at Hidden Acres with a prayer packet. Mike: singing ‘working songs’ — he once sang Rend Collective's ‘Yahweh’ through a stomach-churning Minneapolis train ride, the song itself becoming an Ebenezer. Dan: the low-lit prayer room, or singing with the church. Boova: a pew in Penn Hills, Pennsylvania, where he realized worship is about who he's speaking to, not who he's with. Ben: hearing children sing worship tunes, and reading the creation story back to God in second person. Dan closes with two stories — souring on nursing-home hymns until he recognized genuine worship (‘you got Zimbabweed’), and a shaky phone video of the new Zimbabwe church singing ‘the presence of the Lord is here.’ Boova notes they've spent the last stretch doing exactly what they prescribed: remembering what God has done.
- Chaotic corporate prayer and Fresh Wind, Fresh Fire 1:03:13–1:07:54
Jake tells of a middle-school camp where the pastor had 250 kids all pray out loud at once — chaos he first dismissed, then found to be one of the most amazing things he'd witnessed. Mike connects it to Jim Cymbala's Fresh Wind, Fresh Fire and the Brooklyn Tabernacle's turnaround through a Tuesday-night prayer meeting, and argues for embodied, communal prayer over a purely intellectual faith. A running joke about ‘tingly hands’ derails into complaint-line banter.
- Complaint line comedy: tingly hands 1:07:54–1:09:35
The hosts spiral on Mike's ‘tingly hands below the waist’ phrasing, inventing hashtags — #tinglyhands, #hatejake — and plugging the complaint line at (515) 517-0085 for calls or texts. Jake takes friendly fire as the gang jokes that listeners always complain the hosts don't let him talk enough.
- Clean Bible jokes 1:09:36–1:14:01
With the pope-style segment bumped for time, Mike reads clean Bible jokes from jokes.christiansunite.com: a collector's Gutenberg Bible scribbled in by Martin Luther, a boy negotiating car use with his minister father via the long hair of Samson, Moses, Noah, and Jesus, and a girl asking whether Jesus's mother was the virgin Mary or the King James virgin. The crew riff on a Christian-barber joke and land on circumcision before moving on.
- Dear LFTP: the compulsive-liar friend 1:14:01–1:20:51
Ben reads a Dear LFTP letter from a professional woman in her early forties whose beautiful, magnetic friend of ten years compulsively lies about everything; the friend has now absorbed the writer's social circle, and she fears ending the friendship will cost other relationships. The hosts advise: don't stage a big confrontation or gossip-brand her a liar — just calmly name lies as they happen without emotional investment, quietly step back, and trust people will see through her. The ‘secular answer’ agrees: no grand announcement needed; if asked, answer truthfully and quietly.
- Dear LFTP: the talkative sister; Pat Sajak poll 1:20:52–1:24:59
Ben reads the second letter: three senior sisters in the same Iowa city, and the oldest talks nonstop about herself — the writers want it stopped without hurt feelings. The hosts mostly riff — ‘hang out less,’ ‘stop being so freaking old’ — alongside a live Facebook poll on whether Boova has heard of Wheel of Fortune's Pat Sajak (100% yes on one vote, cast by a host). Signed ‘all listened out in Iowa,’ the letter gets joke advice about thermostats, prunes, and Gladys, Dolores, and Eunice.
- Outro 1:25:00–1:27:05
The show winds down with a Princess Bride ‘randy doesn't mean what you think it means’ riff, a final complaint-line plug, thanks to Jake for coming in and safe-travel wishes for Ethiopia, and the sign-off: ‘be faithful in the means; God will handle the ends.’
Bible references
- Acts 2
When you read through acts two, it started with that flicker and it kept going
- John 13:35
they will know my disciples by how they love
- Joshua 4
Joshua's called to cross the River Jordan and brings out the Ark of the Covenant, and God parts the waters… build an altar here
- Job 38
do you know where the rains are kept? … do you have any idea where I hold snow?
- Genesis 1
and then you hovered over the waters
- 1 Samuel 4:21
it's a similar concept to Ichabod… God's presence has left the temple
Key questions
- Should I end my friendship with my compulsive-liar friend, and will it damage my other relationships? (dear-lftp)
- How do we stop our sister's rude nonstop talking without hurting her feelings? (dear-lftp)
- What is your favorite way to connect with God? (host-framed)
- How do we keep mission-trip fire alive back home instead of riding roller-coaster faith? (host-framed)
- Should we still do big worship events if some people get nothing real out of them? (host-framed)
People
- Guest: Jake Brennan
Friend of the hosts from Ethiopia; in-studio guest for the episode
- Dan Hudson
- Jake Brennan
- Jim Cymbala
- Chris Tomlin
- Josh Garris
- Pat Sajak
- Vanna White
- Alex Trebek
- Steve Harvey
- Dave Chang
- Martin Luther
Full transcript
Not record. Live from the Pathway Studios in Johnston proper. You are live from the Pathway.
And you are last week from the past. This is Ben Fouss hanging out here in the studio today. I'm Mike. It's trusty sidekick. Hey. Hey. Yeah, man. We're hey. We got a we're back to a full stable. I'm Buuva. Last week no. No. No. You don't get to introduce yourself. What? No. No. I got to introduce himself. No. He inserted himself inappropriately. I'm I'm I was gonna introduce myself in a self deprecating way. No. No. That's not cute. So here's the deal. We're we last week, it was a dicey number. So Boof and I were holding court in this in this joint in this sweat box by ourselves here. So
here's what's going on this week. Dan is back from the Zimbabster, and he's got some stories on everything that went on. Zimbabster. Really cool stuff that was going on in Zimbabwe. So we're we're gonna catch up with Dan. Stories from the bobsled. That's right. That's right. Mike has been rescued from whatever Podunk hotel room he was Skyping in from last week. There was some kind of evil fan. I couldn't find it. I couldn't find it anywhere. Were you by hey. I was about to ask you. Were you by yourself in there? Yeah. Okay. What do you think? We can up with dudes in other states? We can compare hotel stories. We're pretty sure our gals stayed in a brothel. Oh, no. Oh. Oh. Well, that's what happens in the Zimbabster.
It's time to get a new book. When you plant a new church, you go where they need it. Yeah. Yeah. I guess. Okay. Oh, man. Okay. Hey. I hope they need a new church in the Hampton because that's where I stay. And then so Boov and I are back. We're the remnants from last week. Sorry about that. And and and and back in the studio, oft contributor to wide light, daddy light, a good friend of Mike and I from Ethiopia, and an all around good dude, Jake Brennan. Not from Ethiopia, but Yeah. I mean From Ethiopia. We we were only friends in Ethiopia. Yeah. We were Stateside. Yeah. Guys. You guys are trying to redevelop the relationship Stateside? It's not working out. Only under oppression are we friends. You could pinpoint the moment once we flew over the over the seas into The United States. Yeah. Exactly. The mood changed. Yeah. Everybody's like, oh. Yeah. We're like, hey. Look. Jake's watching Transformers. And then we crossed the Atlantic. I'm like, Jake's watching Transformers.
Yep. Yep. I want to The Michael Bay movie is stupid. Yeah. He also likes that Noah remake. It was his favorite. Boy, that's rough, Jake. Anyway anyway, Jake's in the studio. You'll be hearing his sweet semitones throughout the evening, and we're glad to have him in. Alright. So so let let's let's catch up on this thing, Dan. Let's give me give me the flyover. Let's keep the brothel story for the end. You wanna get in with a bang here. It it happened in the beginning, though. Oh, shoot. Alright. I mean, it wasn't that early, but So at your discretion, hit me with the highlights of this Zimbabwe trip. Alright. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We we landed and right away we jumped into revival that helped launch a church. It was a Friday, Saturday, Sunday deal. There was a father church
and basically, we we approached the leaders. There's a, hey, where do you want a new church? We'll help you plant a church. Well, first of all, do you want a new church? Yes. Where do you want it? Then they decided a place called Chichichi in Zimbabwe. What does that mean? I remember I remember Zebedee saying, like, you guys talking about that. Does that mean something? Three ches in a row? I don't I don't It sounds like a mistake. Yeah. I mean, I I think it yeah. I don't know. It was a sloppy say the last one different. You go ch ch ch ch. Ch ch ch. I I probably say it. I'm yeah. Don't don't don't don't trust me on the language. That's geography. I'm one zero one. I say what I want.
I'm American. Okay. So anyway, it's called a growth point where there's a bunch of villages kinda converging and becoming a city ish and and the government says, hey, let's put some industry here and and stores and that kind of stuff and it becomes a city. And so the I don't know. There's nineteen, twenty thousand people in this little area. It's divided by a river and there's people who walk miles to church and they the ones on the other side of the river have to walk through, you know, crocodiles to get to to church and when the rainy seasons comes, they just can't even get to church. And so we wanted one on the other side of the river basically. So there's the the the father church that helped plant the one on the other side and we came in. We were the catalyst to make that happen. It was exciting and and cool and crazy and people came to Jesus and
just just the look in their eyes, there was just so much excitement. It's it's an undeveloped area. They were pretty sure most people there had never seen white people. The bigger cities, you know, they're around, you'll see them or or in the history there were some there. But these people like and I I could tell
the the double looks. They had police officers following us everywhere we went. Like, there were kids trying to feel our skin to see if we feel different. Oh, right. You know, like, oh, they like leather? I mean, you know, what what does that what does that feel like? What do white people feel like? It was just crazy. It it was crazy. But we started the church. I was saying something pretty significant. Think, oh, it was undeveloped area so so there's there's not much industry at all. So there's some really couple crappy terrible hotels and one of them, the the girls are pretty sure was a brothel. There was drugs and stuff in the room and and basically in a long story short, they all grouped together and slept in one room and left the ones empty because they were frightened. And and and we were in a separate well, I was in a separate hotel,
I don't know, three, four, four miles away. Those are the only two hotels in the area. I say hotels, like, don't don't don't do Right. You know, hostel type thing. Right. Are they separated by male female? Is that why? Or they just didn't have enough room or Just room. Yeah. Yeah. It was just space. Wait. Now wait. Wait. No. Was anybody else in the hotel you were in? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. The way you told it was like, hey, everyone else was here and then I Yeah. Oh, no. I'm sorry. Yeah. There there there was like half and half. Okay. And then it's like semi brothel and then I went to the King's Palace. That actually happened later in the week.
So anyway, the the revival was awesome and and just it was just cool. Just cool. Are there so, you know, you've been you've been ministry quite a while, Dan. Like, would you say as far as like energy and vibe and stuff, any similar experience stateside or is it unique? No. No. This is this is mostly like thirty years prior to me joining, jumping on board the ministry train. Stuff that happened in the fifties is what's happening well there now. Yeah. And so you throw a revival and people come and they're all excited and that's that's what we did. And we we we, you know, we offered some some food, some meals and there were people saying they hadn't had like I bought a bunch of chickens
and and like they hadn't had chicken and they couldn't remember the last time they had chicken. I mean, it's it's they eat sudsa which is cornmeal. Prices are crazy right now. The government's insane. It's it's just a tough time over their powers out most of the time just as the government shuts it off. Right. Water's scarce. So people are in bad shape. But we we came to give hope. We talked about the hope of Jesus and some people responded.
The church responded. We handed up bibles. They were thrilled. It was just really cool. Rest of the time we we we visited some schools, orphanage. We have a gal in our group that's adopting two children that that hadn't intended to go there to adopt children. And Like not just sponsoring children but adopting? Adopting. Yeah. The process has begun. Right on. Studies and all that stuff going on.
She started doing that before you went? No. As you were there? As we were there. Because I want these two. These two you know, everything has to line up as you know. And there there happen to be children. No one has claimed to. And it's probably it can happen in the next couple three months. That's fantastic. It just, you know, it depends on all the i's getting dotted and t's crossed. And it's it's an orphanage. We've had a relation. This is our third year in a row being there. So that probably helps too that that they they knew who we were so weren't just people, you know, coming in off the street.
It was just a great it was just it was just great. We got to help some people. We we blessed the socks off of some people. I mean, just just crazy. Helped help some churches with Bibles, with music stuff, helped a church with a keyboard, helped to get a bicycle for a guy who has to get up at three every morning to walk eight miles to work. And now he can his ride bike. He's one of the the pastors. Yeah. It was just crazy. It was just it was just a a ton of fun and
We we we legitimately helped some a lot of people. Right. That was cool. I gave one of my friends a bible. It was one of the schools we we go to every year and I actually sponsor one of the kids in that school. And we talk a lot on Facebook throughout the year and and it was just kind of a random thought I had an extra Shona language bible. I thought, I'll give one to him. And and he sent me a message, you know, later on just if he's blown away by this bible. His bible's all torn up and 20 years old. I guess it was on a public post. He he said, wanna be buried with the bible and everything and I'm going, dude. I mean, it was a $5 bible for Oh, how much we take for granted. Right? I thought it was just like, maybe he can use it. He'll give it to someone else or whatever. Yeah. And yeah. So it's just as cool to be part of that and to
to see legitimate. I mean, we're really doing something, you know. Right. It's not just a trip or it's not just a thing to do. It's it's legitimately helping. I mean, there's a ton of little stories that can go forever but just the ripple effect of how God we did one thing in in that one area and an hour away we saw the ripple effect of of it showing up somewhere else. We're like, woah, like we didn't see that coming.
And it's just just cool. Just really cool. Oh, yeah. That sounds like a fantastic trip. Yeah. Yep. Yep. I here's I love this. Right? Like, this is this is exactly what it's supposed to be. And then you put it in perspective and you go, look how hard we have to work in America to pull this off. Right? Like, you bring the hope of Jesus to people and they're like, yes. I love it. You buy people need chickens. You buy chickens. People need Bibles. You get them a Bible. They're like, I love this Bible. I read it all the time. I wanna be buried with it. Right? Yeah. We could we hand out Bibles like water at the church. People are like, I didn't really read it. Or I didn't get to hey. We're gonna have VBS for your kids. Hey. We're gonna give away free doughnuts. Hey. We're gonna air condition the air. You know? Yep. You're building churches across the river. People are still hiking through gators to get there, and they're like, I love Jesus. And you're like, come on, man. I know. It's it's It's just it's I mean, here's the thing. It's like it's like that those stories are so awesome. Right? And, like, it it just I it just goes,
why? I mean, maybe we should fish over there. You know, maybe Jesus goes, get off the shore. Go fish over there. That's where people wanna know me. That's why we keep going back. I know. Right? I mean People wanna meet me over here. These fellas, there are no fish in this water. But you know what? It's it's it's our people are like catching on fire like like I haven't seen because of their involvement there. It's a win win. Both both sides are winning. Sure. We've we got our we already have our fourth and fifth year dates planned but like for next year, going in July, I've already exceeded the limit of how many people we can take. And I'm like, we weren't even home from Chicago.
Right. And like I'm I'm seeing the online because I tell them give them put a $100 down and talk is cheap. Wanna see wanna deposit, you know. And I've got five more people than I can handle but but we're gonna see if we can accommodate it. Who knows? We ran out of water with who we had so I don't Right. You know, don't know. But but they're just they're on fire. They're excited. They're they're they're doing crazy stuff here because of what was going on there. Which I which I think will get to some of the discussion that we were having just before the show started. And I think this ties in with with yeah. Yeah. At least some of that, which is being part of doing
what God has people doing will generate excitement. Like you don't have to muster it up. Right? Like when you see God work, it gets you excited to do things that God is up to. And and a lot of times like the the drought that I think we have in our in our environment isn't isn't necessarily lack of opportunity. It's it's because like there's such a there's such a dry spell of being a part of seeing God work that you don't get the natural inertia that comes from that. Yeah.
And so like to the extent like it's just so I I think that's it's one of those things where you you can't catch fire without a without a flame, a start of a of a flicker somewhere. When you read through acts two, it started with that flicker and it kept going because it it fed off each, you know Right. It was just it just kept going and and this is probably the closest I've experienced that is these last couple years of seeing the ball start rolling. Yeah. Yeah. Because you can't you can't manufacture it. You can't just go preach through acts and say, come on, do that. I mean,
yeah, they have to experience it. Right. Right. So so Jake Ben and I and Jake were in Ethiopia last year and Jake's actually heading back to Ethiopia again this year. Can you can you find some commonality in what in what Dan's saying for for going overseas and and doing mission type work? Yeah. I I mean, you said you've been three years in a row. Right? Yeah. Yeah. So I'm excited just to see the second year because while I was in Ethiopia, I did not soak any of it up until like it was probably a week or two after Oh, yeah. Just where like I realized it. So Yeah. I I saw Jesus work, but the in hindsight, I didn't really see Jesus work because
I was so focused on being in Africa, being It's overwhelming. Away from home Yep. Being off on sleep cycle, just like Yeah. Just bombarded with all these thoughts and stuff that was just taking me away from what the purpose of the trip was. Yeah. And now that now that I can realize that and I can realize exactly like what God is trying to do through our team, through these kids, I think I'll be able to soak it up a lot more and Yeah. Just like looking back on my journals, I I didn't really talk about Jesus in them. I was I was talking about the trip itself and like not what Jesus was doing through me and the and the Yeah. And the kids. So I'm I'm really excited to see what Jesus can do in, jeez, two weeks from today. Yeah. Yeah. Just just from having just gone through this, right, the second time we went, it was like a step higher of comfort and we could focus on the mission because it was like, okay, we got the initial
stuff out of the way. I recognize roads, buildings, people. This time, it was so wild. Number three, I I I it was the weirdest sensation. We drove into town to Sherezi and I'm like, I'm home. Yeah. Which, you know, I mean, it was so weird. Not like home, I wanna live here, but home, like, I could live here. I'd be okay. I mean Yeah. And You have once you get there, it goes crazy. It goes crazy. And they respond because they know you too. Yeah. So yeah. You know, it's funny. It's like it's it's almost the the exact same way that we talk about introducing Jesus to to people that that you live close to. Right? Like, the the more they know you, the more you have a relationship with them, the more that that that conversation starts to breed itself. Right? And then again and it gets to move. Like and the same thing is true when you're going overseas or or doing any type of of Jesus' work not where you live. Right? The more you're there, the more that you you get comfortable with it, the more that you understand the surroundings, you understand the people, what their lives look like, and then your conversations are way more genuine, and you're not just some weird, you know, white guy from from somewhere else. Yeah. Right? Like, they realize it's we're all talking about the same Jesus here, and those conversations start to go way way way better. And so, like, they're they're yeah. That's that's just it's it's very cool to be a part of something like that. Very cool.
And it's it's also tough to judge because you're planting a church, we're talking to orphans, and I guess just the interaction orphans get from anyone that's not a nanny, just like someone from Africa, it's more just like, wow, these people are talking to me and Jesus is probably the last thing on their mind. Mhmm. When you're planting a church
and you're handing them Bibles, Jesus is on the forefront. So I guess while you're working with orphans, you see Jesus work more indirectly. Mhmm. Like, they're not necessarily coming to Jesus just because we were there, but us telling us telling them their our favorite bible verse or just like simply saying Jesus is awesome and you should love him, I I think it's harder to, I guess, judge the results opposed to Yeah. Well, you know what though? I I I'm sorry. Mean, just to feed off of that,
one of the kids, young teenagers last year from the orphanage, had attended the revival we did last year, gave his life to Christ. This year, one from last year's team was there again and was able to have the con how are things going and it was like there was growth, there it was real, you know, it wasn't like a yeah, the Americans are here, I'll I'll say yes. Mean, so it it was helpful. It it legitimately helped that child's eternity from visiting the orphanage last year and inviting them to the revival and somehow they got to that revival we did last year. And then
backing it up this year with more conversation and and and confirmation. I guess that's what trying to say that that was a real deal in their life. They're they're growing and and so it's yeah. It's helpful. Right. Yeah. You'd be surprised at at at what can what can land and I suppose if you think of it broadly Yeah. Although it feels it feels like and there is a tangible difference between say, showing up, planting a church and being able to spend some time with folks and and just talk to them and let them know, look, I'm here because because God sent me here. Mhmm. Like Jesus sent me here to do this. If we talk about how people get to know and meet Jesus, it's through continually running into him. And it's the same thing if you continue running into people. Right? So like like you have a limited amount of time with with with the kid. Maybe you're talking twenty seconds Mhmm. Twenty minutes or something. But like as that as those people keep coming through and they're like, boy, I don't know all these people individually, but Jesus keeps sending people here. Right? And through that, they get to know Jesus, like, of the cumulative effect of that kind of thing starts to change as a as opposed and then you don't get to see the kind of the whole process, which is it it feels different, but I think I think that's the thing is that like, hey, man, I'm here because Jesus sent me here and then like the third or fourth time that happens, even through four different people, we're like, hey, Jesus seems to love me, he keeps sending people here to to talk to me and to say something and to help. Yeah. Right. I mean, it it it it's not gonna be any shock to them that you don't belong there. You know what saying? That, like, you live down the road. They know you don't live down the road. Right. They know that you came from another country,
you know, to come visit them. Right? Like and and and well, what is it in John where he's basically saying they will know my disciples by how they love. Right? Like, reasonable people don't just fly across the country just to come visit you, give you a high five and a couple soccer balls and go, well, I'm out. You know what I'm saying? Like, Jesus does crazy stuff like this. Right? Yeah. And so, like, it it it is a benchmark to say, well, what kind of love is this? Right? Like, what kind of love looks like this? And and maybe it is a crazy looking white dude that don't belong in your country at all, you know, that just happens to stop by and give you a a boatload of teff and a and a soccer ball whatever and say and say hello and care about what you what you answer. Then did anybody succeed in touching your skin? Or your reaction to it? We we we we allow them. I mean, we reach out to them and they they they won't initiate it, but if you let them, it's on, you know, it's you'll give them them they'll take a mile thing and yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Was that flattering? I mean, I feel like if someone came by and touched my skin and goes, oh. Guess I didn't think about it that way. Thank you. Yeah. It was our way of of loving them. Yeah. I'm almost right.
Shaking a hand and they they yeah. Now we had a gal on our team this year who, you know, in America, we would call African American and she was a little nervous. How are people gonna respond? Because she looks like them. And
it was so interesting because mean, she didn't know how to process this. She's still processing this because she went there and it's like she's clearly not African. She, you know, she didn't know the culture. Didn't know the language. She didn't I mean, it's a foreign land. And the people there were
weren't thinking of her as American Right. But not African either. You know, she's like totally homeless kinda kinda so to speak. But at the same time, nobody cares. Nobody cares about Yeah. What color she was there. It's not an issue. It's only here that people are like, get up in arms about what color you are. You know, actually, it was that was the amazing thing about Ethiopia is, like, they the there's there wasn't such a stark Muslim Christian divide. No one actually cared. Like, it was just it was there it was just was, and nobody was nobody was upset about it. Right? Obviously, there's fundamental differences between the two groups. But nobody turned it into, like, a brick wall kind of situation. It was just what it was. And no one no one really had anything to say about it either way. And so, like, it is amazing to see how much of that stuff is created in our backyard. Because we got time for that. We do have time for We got we got we have time to to look at the air conditioning and go, uh-uh. We have time to not read the three Bibles we have in our house and we've got time to argue over things that people don't have time for. That's right. The other guy's still trudging eight miles to get water, right, Or trying to make sure that the storm ain't gonna take his place out. And we're like, the internet's slow. I'm gonna be mad at something else. What's it gonna be today? Dang.
Well, that stuff's good for a rebound for you know, I you know, we've talked about this before is like is is there's there's danger and opportunity both in short term missions. Right? There's there's great opportunity to see Jesus do work and great opportunity to root your soul and let God be your eyes when you're somewhere. And there's also a a little bit of a danger of be of becoming happy with yourself. You know, super proud that you went and feeling real great. Look how awesome I am. Right. Right. Right. If you think about I suppose if you think about the the the two distinctions that we were just talking about, one is saying I'm gonna go where God is sending me and I will let him change me through that process. And the other one says I'm gonna go take my brand of awesome over somewhere else. That's right. There's room for me over there. And when you have a team, there's always one or two like that. Yeah. I mean I mean and that's half the battle is is it's fun to watch that turn through the week though. Right. You you know, God God God grabs him. Yeah. And and it's it's it's that's that's really That actually is cool because it turns out that that You're Brand Awesome, it does it's not a currency here. Yeah. Right? No one actually feels that way.
Yeah. Right. It's trying to it's trying to spend a Franklin over there and like, but we don't even recognize this. Take Franklin. So get out of here. What else you got? Yeah. That's true. I I I've I've actually I've I've turned I was pretty hardcore about this probably three or four years ago. I'm like, I don't see no benefit in this. People just rolling over to white skin and going, hey, we brought all this great stuff. And and and I I think I think God's refined that a little bit out of me. I mean, I still think there's a small bit of of worry that you're bringing your own, like, take our brand of Jesus. You've seen it ruin Christianity in multiple nations, you know, where people have shown up and says, I see that you have these crazy underground house churches, but you're not doing it right. You really need a building and choir robes and then, you know what I'm saying, and then just take the bullets to the whole thing. And so you can do that, but it's not necessarily a great worry for people that are going over there with like, God, let me see what you want me to see. Let me speak when you want me to speak. Let me humble myself or you will humble for me when I need that. Right? And just let let you do what you do. These are your people. I just wanna do what you're asking me to do. And if you do it that way, then you can mission in Philadelphia, Chicago, Ethiopia, and Zimbabwe and and the results will be the same. Right. Yep. Right. You could you should be able to drop teams of Jesus people anywhere in the world and, like, the basic fundamentals of of how you look at people around you is be gonna the same. Yeah. Mhmm. Yeah. Well, cool, man. That's an awesome update, Dan. Yeah. Thanks. Exciting it's exciting to see this is one of the I I had gone on a stretch of
I cut out all kind of peripheral books, Christian books especially. I'm like, this stuff is junk. I don't read enough of my bible. And so I I was I was on a thing for about like two or three years where like I was not taking anything in spiritually related that wasn't scripture. And the one thing
that I've allowed back in, in addition to like bible commentaries and stuff, is stories of modern stories of watching God work. Mhmm. Because because our our world is big and God is awesome and he's doing big things. And the thing that I that that we were talking about earlier that that lacks is being able to see God work and have that be part of kind of the thing that that sets flames around you and inspire you to be to run towards it.
And hearing being able to hear stories of people kind of engaging with God's work is just awesome. And like, it's a miss to not take it in. Yeah. And since I don't trust the Facebook, I have to go with the print material or podcast. And so it's it's awesome. It's awesome to see God doing cool work in Zimbabwe through through Pathway Church and through Dan. Yeah. It's very cool. Dang. We need a better we need a better we need a better thing, a better way for people to tell stories of how God is awesome. Like, you just don't see that very often. You know I'm saying? Where people get I mean, you have to you have to wade through it and and and it's it's messy and we don't we're not a bit whole church has a big c, capital c church. Mhmm. Like, there's God's doing all kinds of stuff and like, we barely hear about it. Well, Paul used to send a letter to everybody, say, here, here's what's up. Here's what happened. You know, here's here's what's going on over here. You guys missed this thing or whatever. And we don't ever get to see that cool stuff anymore. And so you rely on whatever your super charismatic friend who seems to happen to him all the time, you know, and then, like, there's a ton of other people where you don't even hear any of the stories, which would lend so much legitimacy
to to the Holy Spirit moving and acting and doing things, and you're like, I don't know. I just feel like I don't see it, you know. Like, there's there's millions of people under this. There's God doing all kinds of stuff. It didn't happen at your place and you're like, well, God doesn't he doesn't do nothing. That's a total lie. Right? We gotta we gotta figure out that some kind of hub for it. Let let me let me talk about this gal if I can. Okay. Somehow she found out about the revival and and she came Friday night, so it's first night. She she is a mother, has a I think it's a twelve year twelve or 13 year old daughter who can't walk. I think she's born that way. And and so she's been, like, stuck at home. She just doesn't do anything. I mean, it it it's a rugged terrain. It's it's just yeah. I I don't I don't know. But for whatever reason, she found out somehow she found out about revival. She came.
She she put her faith in Christ. She she was just, like, beaming from ear to ear. She she was so excited. She was in tears. She was excited. She was she was she was I mean, like, the whole world had changed. Right? She comes the next day and she she she carries her her 12, 13 year old daughter with her, which is everything she does, she has to carry her. She doesn't have any I mean, there's not like a wheelchair or anything. And she brought the daughter. I mean, was there all day long lugging this gal around and and the whole weekend, I mean, she was just there's so much joy in this woman. She she had a community to be a part of now, faith in Christ,
a new beginning. I mean, there's so much. And and so we're trying to figure out how do we help her, you know, is it is there a wheelchair that would work in that train or a wagon or something? You know, we're trying to figure something out that we can help that church help her. And and up to this point, they hadn't figured it out yet by the point by the time we left because because we're gonna leave leave some money. But anyway, they're still supposed to communicate that to me. But we just wanted we and we didn't want them to know it was from the Americans. So I'm actually kinda glad we're gone. Right. Because it's just gonna be from that church, you know, as some type of gift. It'll it'll it'll just rock her world if she can because it's only gonna get worse, you know. This this child is gonna keep growing and and you can't just carry a
extra body around all the time. But I don't know. The dancing, the singing, the the the she just was just absolutely part of this new group and and they totally accepted her and and and welcomed her in. And it was cool as an outsider to just to see that take place. And anyway, yeah, I'm anxious to see her next year and see how things are going and what's happening. I guess going back to what Mike said, that's I guess I've never really thought about just like
how little as just this American church we just talk about something even small that God's done in our life. Just like I don't know. I've just been thinking for the last couple minutes while you're talking just like, what are ways where whether it's like an like a Facebook page where you just
comment, this is what God did and this is awesome. Because looking back on it, through my small group that I've been with for seven years, just like some of the best moments are just like hearing how God has worked through this week, through a trip, and just like how awesome that is. And like Mike said, I don't think there's enough of that going on in in the American church. Crap, man. That's all we need. You get rid of your news app. Right? You don't care about that stuff. What do you care? Putin's still doing nasty stuff. Big surprise or whatever. You know that North Korean dude, he's still angry about everything. Whatever. Right? Can't we just hear what God's doing? You go, this is the stuff I wanna hear. This is what I wanna start my day with. I don't wanna wake up going, how did the stock market go? I don't care. What did Jesus do yesterday? Yeah. That's what I wanna know. Well, think of think of that's the nature of when God sends prophets in the old testament, like, half of what they're talking about is God pointing back and saying, remember that I did that? Yeah. Right. Like, you're see how you're acting right now? That acts as if I didn't do this thing back here that you should have recalled. Yeah. You forgot about that thing. Yeah. And so like this is like what I do represents who I am and that the same who I am is the same person that's dealing with you right now. And so you that it informs it informs your today, it informs your tomorrow to remember who God is and what he does. And yeah, we have scripture for that and I think that's I think that's great. But I don't think our our seeing scripture as a high authority precludes us from still as a community continuing to talk about how awesome God is and the types of things that he's doing as an encouragement to say, see, remember God is faithful. Yeah. Remember his grace is lavish. So I'm not a real big fan of like spotlight devotionals but I would I would sign up for this. Right? Like the closest thing that I ever had is I used to get one from the Voice of the Martyrs. Right? Yeah. But it's always some guy dying at the end or or being in or bringing in prison. I mean and and granted, it's it's it's more makes me wanna go, boy, that guy's got a lot more he's he's doing a lot more than I am. Right? Like, he's he held out way longer than I would have. You know, it makes me feel guilty as a human. But it doesn't go I don't know, it's not that story about God. It doesn't always have to be a great ending like, hey, the leg grew back or something, you know? Right. But it does have to be that God is a God of action and he does something. Because if if you find most people who are struggling with following Christ, they they misbelieve and we talked about this last week, one of two things is is that that God is good and and he loves you and he's paying attention. These are the two things people don't trust. Right? They don't trust that that if God is in first of all, whether God's gonna get involved or not. So so they're not really sure whether he's an active God and and and and participates in the world. And even if he does, is is he doing the right thing? Because from my point of view, it looks like you're screwing me. It looks like you're not doing the thing that I want, or good is not happening. Even if you can step back for it and look not not look at it in a selfish way, you still go, overall God, what's the point? What's the point of these people with the cancer? Tell me. Tell me why you allow this. Right? Like, so these are things that people go, I don't know that God is is living and active and doing things, and even if he is, is he any good? And and like, we have way more stories that that leads you to believe that that may or may not be the case. Right? That that that evil thrives and the good man dies and and Jesus Christ because he loves them both. Right? And so like, these are the two things that that Did you steal that from a song? That's from Josh Garris. Yeah. Josh Garris. I love Josh Garris. You guys all voted this? He's farther along. Yeah. I don't know. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I do love Josh Garris. Now hold on. When I was saying it though, did you think, man, Mike, that's pretty good? I did. Yeah. Yeah. It was out of character.
Sweet sweet verbal prose is not I your wonder why the good man dies, the bad man thrives in Jesus Christ because he loves them both. Yeah. Just castaways and need a rope. Yeah. See? I bring the culture. That's what I bring. I do have to say, one of one of how we see people what I said earlier, the people who are just long for the ride, whatever, or getting a bucket list Yeah. Trip done, transition into a god grabbing them is every and I would encourage this if you have any say in this team you're on, I don't know how with the, you know, the specifics. The first year I went I I I was just two of us just went as a Test with another group so we could bring one the next year. So the first thing we did is last year and this year and it was huge. Every single night we get together and debrief and talk about what what did God do because you see things I don't see and I see things you don't I mean and by the time you go around that room, there's 12 people
telling these crazy god stories. It's you can't you can't not be changed by that because it's gods just doing stuff and it's so cool. Yeah. Then the first year is like, we didn't get any that. It was just like, oh, yeah. I mean, not that could be critical of those people. It's just that wasn't their thing. And and so we had to kinda make up our own. My my daughter and I went and we just kinda what did see? What did see? You know? And and it's huge. It's huge telling the stories. Absolutely. Like, I was with my youth group. Was on a service trip in Denver. Uh-huh. I got back two weeks ago. And the way our church does it is they split up So I have a small group with my grade, my gender that's been since sixth grade. So we do everything together. And then we get there and they split us up.
I was with like two freshman girls, a junior or a sophomore boy and a junior girl. So it was we were working with other people and we were working at different work sites. So then at the end of the day, we'd have small group time with our normal small group by senior boys and we just talked about what we learned and that would go on for an hour and a half. We'd go around and say like Mhmm. One way we saw God working, that was all we did in small group time and Yeah. Yeah. That's sounds very similar. And that's we did that a lot in Ethiopia last year too, if I if I remember right. We just kinda just talked about our experiences and that's a that's just a really really, like, healthy way to see God and I I grew from it for sure. Yeah. And I think I think to that point, like, the more we can integrate that, if we see if we see our our our
our miss here is that we often are not talking about it. Like that seems like an appropriate question to be talking about all the time. Yeah. Like as a church, we just like there's there's a difference probably in like, hey, how should we go and how can I pray for you? Okay. Like, we do that as a shape of things and that's okay. But like, if you frame the question specifically and say, look, what do we see God do? It starts to ask the right types of questions and and either we have stories or to be honest, if we go through a full group of people, you got forty fifty people around and we're like, well, I didn't I didn't see anything this week. Well, then I don't need to ask what we're praying about. Right? Like, then I have a sense of, like, do I have an expectation that I feel like God will be working and that we will see it in some way or another and or progress or indication through somebody? Yeah. Yeah. And and and and if not, God send us the person where it is so that we can jump on board with it. So so is this is is this maybe one of the things to take away like is is, you know, you you get back from doing a mission trip like this and what are the stuff that you don't wanna let go? Right? Like, you intentionally went to Zimbabwe, you intentionally went to Ethiopia, you also intentionally
went to your job on Monday. So You know? Yeah. You also intentionally did all these things. And and and some of it is a trumped up view, is a misunderstanding for us of of what God's doing. Right? Like And so when we when you get home, you stop talking about what God did for the day. You stop getting together as a group of Christ followers and go, what's God moving? How's shaking? What should we be doing? How should we be using our talents? Because frankly, you got all day to walk around Zimbabwe. Normally, you're you're bombarded with all the stuff that you either put in there or has put upon you that you allowed. Mhmm. And so some of that is managing what exactly your life is. Right? When you're in Zimbabwe or when you're in another country, you've got no job no job to go to, there's no birthday to attend, you know, there's no work meeting. You just go, what can I do with my time for other people and the Lord today? And then when you come home, you chuck it out the window and go, well, it looks like I'm back to being owned by whatever company I work for and I definitely gotta do put gas in the car and I gotta change the oil because otherwise, blabbity blabbity blabbity. Well, I think that's part of the dangerous nature of the concept of that roller coaster faith is is
the spiritual highs and spiritual lows and things like that, like, God isn't just in Zimbabwe. God isn't just in Ethiopia. God is not just in some far off mission field. Is he in Banda, right, Buba? Yeah. Absolutely. Oh, good. Bondurant, trust me. The nature of it is is the problem is we get in these highs that are that are based off of these huge monumental things, and it's because we've defined monumental incorrectly.
We've defined it as it it it it is the it is the after effect of of this huge move, but that's not really true. Like, lot of the time, you don't hear a lot of bible stories about people that had to go so far away. It's God meets them where they are in a lot of these stories. Yes, there are situations where God sends someone across the world. Yes, God sends people out to do his work in other places. There's absolutely biblical for that. But there's also times when God just shows up to somebody's front door and says, hey, I need you to do work here, and there's work to be done. You don't have to travel to the promised land right now. You don't have to go to Nineveh. You just have to be exactly where you are, and follow me, and love me, and seek my kingdom. And we'd run into a problem when we define our faith by monumental moves in our definition, rather than God's monumental move might have been, hey, you went to the come and go the other day and you paid for somebody's meal that couldn't pay for their own, and then afterwards they asked you why you didn't, you said just because I love Jesus and Jesus loves you and I love you. And that's a huge thing for them, that may they may have needed to hear that. There's something to be said for for and Ben and I had this conversation a couple weeks ago,
biblically creating an create creating an altar there, creating an altar to remember this is what God did. It's just like there are so many biblical stories in the Old Testament where where God does something huge and the person responds by creating altar Yeah. In memory of that specific situation. After Moses passes away and Joshua takes over, Joshua's called to cross the River Jordan and brings out the Ark of the Covenant, and God parts the waters. Right? His immediate reaction after that is build an altar here because your sons and or sons or something will ask about this someday so we remember what this is. Exactly where he was, they created an altar at that moment in remembrance of God. Someone names a new place because of what God does. I named it this because God brought water up from the rock. I named it this because God did this. Like, it is the nature of recognizing God's
power in the exact instance we're in and moment we're in, not just when we go on these faith treks. It is the everyday that we are to remember exactly what God does through scripture reading to remember what he did biblically and whatever it's prayer journaling or just reminding yourself of, hey, God worked last week because I had enough money to pay my water bill. Yeah. And the same and the same could be true for revivals, men's group outings, you know, ladies ladies potlucks or whatever. Right? All the things that, like, not we're not just talking about about overseas missions. We're talking about, like, all the things that we get geared up for and say, God will meet us here, definitely. The last And then he doesn't show back up after you leave the men's retreat and go, well, good thing we saw Jesus there, we won't see him for another The last fifteen years of my life have been riddled with spiritual highs because of events that I went to or things that I did. But the one thing that's constant there is God's there the entire time. God never left me regardless if it's been three weeks since Acquire the Fire, or if it's been six weeks since I went to church camp, or it's been a year since I went to my last lock in, whatever it was. God was always there and doing things, I just wasn't recognizing it. And even in my faith now, he's doing things daily. It doesn't it doesn't matter whether or not I'm going to to Zimbabwe or if I'm staying in Altoona. There are still things that he's doing and it's my job to ascribe worth to him based off of those things, to remember him based off those things. And recently, this is kind of what God's been laying on my heart is to start journaling this stuff. It's because in twenty years when I may have that moment where I'm just like, man, father, I'm having difficulty seeing you right now, and I'm having difficulty seeing where you've moved. I can just open up a prayer journal and it goes, it starts here. And day one, I ask God to help my unbelief, and then the next day he wrecked me in the most wonderful of ways. And here's when he answered this prayer, and here's when he answered this prayer. And he told me no for this, and it hurt at the time, but that's because he had this waiting for. And it's it's the concept of us taking our time in remembrance
to to to construct those altars. Yeah. And it's it's it's almost like we have kind of a kind of a pay per view Ebenezer's, Right? Like, hey, we're gonna set up an Ebenezer's. We're gonna set up an altar somewhere so that we may come to remember God. But it like it's anticipating an event and telling God, hey, we expect you to meet us in this thing. As opposed to what what what biblically they were doing which was, boy, did you see God move? Mark it. Put it in the dirt and say, in this place, we know for a fact that God was sovereign. Right. God came and did the thing and everybody that would walk walks by here will know that Yahweh, the God of Israel is sovereign in this spot right here. Right. And and so, like, we've end we've there's something about there's something about trying to set those up and say, hey, if we gather a bunch of people there, we will create this thing Mhmm. So that it'll be the right place to set up an Ebenezer
Yeah. As opposed to, like, as we walk faithfully in our daily lives, we see it and call it out. You write it down, you put up the marker because we are prone it's it's one of those things that that like and Buv, I think you and I were talking about this, is that that that some of the things that were part of the of God's law were established
to keep a persistent memory of the people. Mhmm. And some of those practices that I am I am eternally thankful of what the Lord Jesus Christ has done to eliminate my inability to adhere to some of these things. But there are notions and shapes in some of those practices that I very much feel like are missing from my life Yeah. That cause me that allow me to not remember. Right? Like some so some of the things that we do often or that they would have do kind of systematically just cause you to not forget. Like you knew that like something slipped, you had to go take you had to go haul your heifer over to the thing Right. And have the thing killed. Like you did not forget the nature of God's sovereignty, the holiness of his presence. And so it is such a crime
to think of what the sacrifice of Jesus has saved us from and has somehow resulted in such slackish behavior on my own part that I can't even be reminded of it consistently enough to call myself back to it, right? And but but there was there was there's nothing unnatural about writing it down, about telling the stories in your community, about setting up the altar and saying in this spot, God was faithful and sovereign and I need to and it reminds me of that and then it reminds me of what I've been created to be the image and likeness I love this. And here okay. I gotta have to tell you what I'm thinking.
It's because like like there's there's solid things, right? Like setting up altars and saying here's what God did or whatever and all I can imagine is like some of these traveling worship shows and they're like, they say, I can really feel the Holy Spirit tonight. I mean, have they ever said, I feel like he's not here right now? And which I don't don't say that in a disrespectful way, I say that to say, do you really actually know the difference? Like, would that worship set would have gone the same way whether the Holy Spirit showed up or not? Would your life be going the same way whether the Holy Spirit shows up or not? And if those things are true, that sucks. Right. Right? That sucks. So if they get a room full of 10,000 people to go and every night they say, I really feel the Holy Spirit in this place. And I I hope you do. Like, I hope that's the truth. And I hope you don't just say that to rile people up. Because if you do because one of those nights That's pretty rough if you're just saying that to rile people. Right. I feel like you go is a dangerous game. He's just not here. We should fold the tent. Boys. I would not recommend that's
the the the concept it's it's it's a similar concept to Ichabod. Right? God's presence has left the when God's presence left the temple Mhmm. And like they were still doing sacrifices and the polio the priest is still going in there and like God's presence was gone. Like it wasn't but they still did it. They're like walking out of there. The actions are still happening. It it it just it's it's a frightening thought to me. It's a frightening thought that you could that you you you spend your whole life like that worship service. You spend the whole life like in Acquire the Fire where they they play all the tunes and get you all riled up and whatever and like, nothing really changed for you, you just got riled up and acquired a fire and then you leave and the Holy Spirit was never there. Right? You just bet you just went on with your life and nothing ever changed for you. It was just a big deal. You know what that explains though? Is that like, sometimes those are life changing moments for people. Absolutely. But it's not Yes. Because of the environment. Right. No. It's because you went there looking for the presence of God and God met you there. Right. Right? So so like that's the thing is that like for every story we're like, boy, that's feel like we just got people riled up. You're gonna find folks who are like, you know, I attended Promise Keepers Right. Or I attended Acquire the Fire Changed my life. And I was yeah. And I was I was not the same husband, I was not the same person and like it's true. But it's not true because it was Acquire the Fire and it wasn't true because they had a sweet band and it wasn't true because they were ready for 10,000 people. It was true because God was there. Right. It's it's it's the one thing and this is the hardest thing for me to to to say out loud I think but like, it's the one thing that makes me say, are do I believe that there are some people who who go to those goofball faith healers and like every once in a while, I feel it probably works but it has nothing to do with anything going on around them. It's because someone came in faith and said, lord, I believe it. Right. And lord and lord Jesus goes, yep. Yep. Gonna do it today. Right? And and it was none of the human mechanisms there and I it's what's difficult to live in is to say, well, didn't god use it anyway? It's hard to then think of, like, well, do we do the 10,000 people thing? Because, I mean, if some people are kind of not getting anything out of it and some people has changed their life, is this still alright? Right. I think these are good questions for us to talk and pray through. Because we we we've created in our culture, we've created this imitation god,
you know, skilled songwriters have a key change at a certain point. You get a tingle, oh, the spirit's here, you know. Right. And and it's like, well, was just a skilled music musician actually, but but but sometimes God does show. Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah. And praise God, you know you know. Isn't that a thought process to say, look, we're not a 100% the Holy Spirit's coming today, so we worked up this tune Yeah. That will that will cover it. Right? We tune we tune the we tune the lights up to cover it. Well You're right? Like like, we're trying to create an environment whether he shows up or not. Your your dad went to a church once and early on in our church, they they and he was just appalled and and sickened because he he got there early enough that he saw them in rehearsal and they were working through a key change and all those things and and and it was the idea was to make it look like the spirit was moving him in this song but it was completely rehearsed. Oh. And
and he just didn't know how to process that, you know, and it was like Surprised he didn't throw someone. So and so here's the thing. Same to me. This sounds very cartoonish. Right? But like the the people are not doing it on purpose. They're not trying to fraud They think like they 100% believe like this is the thing is is like if you can get people to this spot, they will be more likely to accept Jesus. Yeah. And the thing is is, like, you're not really accepting Jesus. You're accepting a feeling you're having right now, which is not sustainable and will very much let you down. Right. It'll be very disappointing to you. When you remember that Tomlin brought you to your knees that one time, and then after the eighth day in a row, well, you burn Tomlin every day for ten hours a day, and by day eight, you're like, I don't know, Tomlin. You're not doing it for me anymore. I don't feel the presence of the holy Actually, yeah. I don't know Jesus because of Tomlin. Right. But you're not saying bad stuff about Tomlin or leadership. So so I'll I'll say this, I I feel like that's that's actually one of the been one of the the real disappointing things for me is a guy like Chris Tomlin gets a bad rap because you're trying to use his music to manipulate people. Correct. That's not his fault. No, it isn't. If it's not good music, don't play it. If you think it's too repetitive, it doesn't represent the songs or whatever, don't play it. I don't care. But, like, I there's a number of Chris Tullen tunes who are like, boy, that's just I love that. And it really does something for me. Yeah. And it and it has nothing to do with the fact that you overplayed it and said, well, people are getting bored of this of this spiritual music. Yeah. Right. Like, it's it's not his fault. I don't it it it makes me mad because I I feel like he's just a he's just a guy who's trying to be faithful and he writes some real cheesy tunes. Right. And I don't love them. But here's here's what I've noticed more and more, like, year over year, I like more and more Jesus tunes irregardless of the where it comes from or, like, how old it is or the style of music because at the end of it
as a matter of there was a tune I was listening to and, like, my first the last few weeks and the first three times I heard, I'm like, Adam. Was it the deeper well? No. No. I love the I love the deeper well. The original recording of the deeper well, it just sounds like Bob Dylan got hit by a train. Yeah. I mean, it's rough. He he got hit by a train and then took a smack of helium and then sang a song. Oh, Ben said it to me. I'm like, no, Ben. I don't like this at all. Well, so what I'm hearing here is I can turn you on to second chapter of acts. Yes. The revival come. It's coming. Eighties music. Yes. Eighties Christian. It did so I I followed there's some bands that was been some of the festivals that we were at and like they post on Facebook and like I very rarely listen to to stuff on Facebook. But like I took a turn to these tunes and like my first reaction was, boy, this is really this is really like thirty years ago. But then I I was listening to the words, I'm like, you know what? They seem they love Jesus and this is a good message and I'm in. I'm in whatever this is. And, like, I didn't that some of the stuff, like, you would never catch me listening to some of this music on, like, pop radio because pop radio is meant to serve me. It's meant to say, Ben, what tickles your fancy? Does this or does this not? I will give the benefit of the doubt, frankly, to any any Christian artist. If they're talking about something that properly reflects God and and draws me in to worship and give fealty to King Jesus, I'm freaking in. I I find that I love a lot of tunes. Yeah.
Yeah. There's one thing just like over the course if I just have a bad day, bad event happened, I'd I'd listen to worship music and over time I just kinda realized I was worshiping the music. I wasn't worshiping Jesus. Right. So one thing that I still struggle with that I have to be careful with is like, why am I listening to this song? Am I listening to this song just because it's comfortable and makes just make me feel safe? Or am I, like, worshiping the words that are from this bible and are reflecting Jesus? And it's a it's a dangerous game to play because a lot of the time,
if you're touched during worship, like you said, it it it might not always be straight from the Holy Spirit, it could be from planned out rituals or The fog. The fog machine. Yeah. It Straight from Hasatan. It's a it's a scary game because because camps and stuff like that, worship's my favorite part. You're right. Well I'm with you. It's also important to remember that worship is not inherently music. Uh-huh. But Like, that's that's where we get worship from a lot is our music and what we do. But, like, worship in and of itself is just ascribing worth to God. That's we tell that to every tambourine player we've ever had. And that's It doesn't have to be you. Yeah. Exactly. And and the concept of worship could very easily just be you sitting there reminding yourself about the holiness of God just in in in reading your scripture and understanding. Like, I I worship when I read the end of Job. When Job just or when God just brings the boots to Job and just starts saying, you know, do do you know where the rains are kept? Yeah. Like, do you have any idea where I hold snow? Do you have any idea
what happens when when when I'm with the donkey when it's about to give birth? Are you there at that moment? No, Job. You aren't. I am. And it's like, that's worship for me. But, one of the most impactful worship experiences I've ever had was I did not know the words of a song, and so all I did was I kept repeating Yahweh and Yehoshua over and over and over again. And those two words, inherently just saying to God his name and to Jesus his name
wrecked me. And I'm like, this I I'm showing you worth because I recognize your name and who you are. There's power in this alone. And so you're absolutely right. We do get get drawn to this draw of of, you know, worship is mainly just songs that sound good and and catchy verses and and the key change and things like that. But we have to remind ourselves the heart of worship is exactly that. It is ascribing worth to the creator and and producer of this entire universe. And the one that that that put everything in motion, planned everything out, and developed every single thing exactly how it is. So so I have a question. Okay. Okay. So so if I was to pull the room and say what is your what not not what is the best way or the most holy or biblical way, I'm asking you personally, what is your favorite way to connect with God? Can you answer that? Mine would be so for our high school youth group, we'd go on a far retreat up at Hidden Acres once a year. Uh-huh.
And the first morning we're there, they gave us this prayer packet and you're supposed to go out to somewhere not around people. Everyone ends up going to the same place, but I always end up going in the middle of the middle of nowhere in the woods. I sit there for like two hours and the entire time I feel the holy spirit just reading through the bible, praying, and that's just, like Yep. It's the best. I I've never felt the holy spirit more just, like, sitting there alone, no distractions,
just me and God. Okay. Brent's in for nature. Nature nature nature time. Ben? I would say, yes, some sense of of isolation, whether it be like prayer room type thing or yeah. Yeah. Maybe out out in nature somewhere. And it tends to be
some some mode of singing, which is interesting because I'm not very good. And it tends to be just like a small small chunk. Yeah. A small chunk of of of something that is an attribute of God. Actually, I was I was telling the story to somebody else but like, I've got like a bucket of workings what I call working songs. They're like songs that like they're they're they're worshipful songs but they they I find that they actually change my physical reality. Like the very the very thought process of of singing them and I think I actually have to sing them. I can't just think them.
So I I had some like some stomach problems on a trip I I recently made. I had to fly up to Minneapolis like I was gonna fly there early in the morning and fly back. And like I was having some stomach issues and there were no bathrooms around. I had to take like a train from down from the airport to Downtown Minneapolis, about twenty five minute ride, no bathrooms. And like my stomach was not having it and there was a high likelihood I was going to mess myself on the way to a very an important meeting of which I was flying in for at the in Minneapolis. And so the only way that I made it out of that plane ride and then and then on that train ride, I was singing the Ren Collective's
Yahweh. Oh, my favorite. Right. Yeah. And so and it was just, you know, singing your name Yahweh Yahweh. That was it. And, like, I tried I was thinking of it and it's not helping and then I just started I'm the creep I'm the creepy guy on the train in Downtown Minneapolis going singing like singing to himself. But it worked. The the it it changed my physical circumstances
of which my life my the the the situation that I was in, although not like relieved or anything, was was different, was sustained. I was sustained in that kind of wrote worship. And what what it was doing really was just causing like whatever's going on around me, I'm calling myself to remember things. Like, it's the song itself is the altar. The song becomes the Ebenezer in which I remember. I'm called to remember who God is and what he's done and what that means for who I am and what we do.
And so I I think it's that. I think it's that. And I don't know that it happens. I the the my my I I prefer to do it out somewhere in in in nature or something but like, I try not to make that such a high thing for me because I don't do it very often. And I think it otherwise sets aside that I can't do those types of things in my daily life. Yeah. But, yeah. I think that's sorry. Long answer. That was my that's my sorry. Dan? I went way over. For for me, I think it has to be the prayer room. Lights are low, music's low,
sitting in a chair, maybe reading scripture, maybe, you know, singing along with a song, maybe just violent. Those those are my deepest connections with God. Yeah. Yeah.
Or or, you know, more often being in in a worship setting with but singing with the church because that happens more often but Right. Those those are the two highlights probably for me. Bubba?
I have a lot of them. Unfortunately, I'm trying to figure out one. I think the most the closest that I felt to him recently was sitting in a pew in Penn Hills, Pennsylvania. When I finally decided that worship was not a communal thing
for me in that moment. It was not about the people that I was with. I love the people I was with and there's nothing wrong inherently with that and I don't think there's any problem with I think it's wonderful to worship in groups but it was the fact of the matter that it did not matter who I was around.
What mattered is is who I was speaking to. And that's what wrecked me is because I've I've I have unfortunately categorized my my closeness
to God with my closeness to people. And I have that that problem as an extrovert and as one that that I've lost a lot. And so I reach for a lot, especially when it comes to family and and closeness and and intimacy that way. But when I was reminded that the intimacy with God is the most important relationship that I have, was was wrecking emotionally and spiritually in such a beautiful way. And that was the exact moment that I decided that that worship was more than the words that I was reading on a screen and worship was more than the people that I was spending it with. It was about the person that I was ascribing worth to or the being that I was describing worth to. And and that's why saying
Yahweh's name aloud grabbed a hold of my heart more than I've ever felt it held in my entire life. Yeah. Yeah. I would say my I have two is You didn't say we could say two? Well, Poove did two, but it did two and Dan also did two. I did one. Penn Hills. Yeah. Penn Hills. That sound by the way,
in a in a pew in Penn Hills, Pennsylvania seems like the start of a country song. Pew in Penn Hills, Pennsylvania. Boy, I love that song. I know. All that needs is a fog machine and a key chain. Lord is in key chain.
What you got, Michael Terrett? Mine is I can't I can't take people singing, like large like, even I shouldn't even say large groups, like five to 10 people, especially children,
singing worship tunes. Especially if it's just there's not even a band, like, it's just a guitar or something and there's a bunch of kids, like, singing worship tunes. I don't know what the Holy Spirit I can't do it. I can't I bow out. I start crying. I mean, it's like it's terrible. I can't even get through a lot of them and I'm I'm the guy supposed to be playing the guitar and I'm I'm down. I'm just as soon because they're they're screaming. They're yelling it loud. They're praising it high. You know what I'm saying? They're just, hey, couldn't be happier to be here. They're loving Jesus. And I'm like, I can't take this. You know? So, like, I I I have to bow out and pray for a minute and and and straighten myself up. And I think the other the other time and I don't do this very often and and it just reminded me as you guys were going through, but, like, I really love reading the creation story back to God. Like, it's like, putting his, and then you did this. Right? Instead of going, and then God created the blah blah blah, just said, and then you created this and this and this and like like I'm reading reading his own story back to him and, like, there's something just really fun to me about that, really close to me about doing that because, like, I I because I'm talking like, I I I do that so often when I pray that it it I lose a little bit of the intimacy. Right? Because because I've just I pray a lot, you know, and I've begun to pray a lot. But like when I'm sitting here reading this this really, you know, story I've I've read a thousand times and it's saying, and then you hovered over the waters. And then I think, wonder what that was like. We can talk about it later anyway. You know I'm saying? And so, like, there's something about reading God's story back to him and taking God out of it and just saying you as if me and him are digging on the story together. And, like, I really love that. That's a, like, a beautiful award ceremony that you're holding for your father. Yes. Yes. Like, that's exactly what that is. You're reading back his own story to him and just saying, hey, god. Do remember when you did this? Yeah. That's beautiful. I'd like to know more about this hovering over the water, but we could talk later. Yeah. You know how you spoke out existence? What was that like? Was there a weird aftertaste? What did you say? What did you say? That's beautiful, man. I love that. It's it's if you have never done that, it's it's it's really fun. I I mean, you gotta do it by yourself because you have to read out loud. Right. Gotta do it out loud. Psychotic in most of these scenarios if you're not doing it by yourself. Yeah. This is something I think you wanna try on your own, but I'd I'd find yourself a tree and some and a place to sit and just be like, okay, in the beginning You created you created the heaven and the earth and there was there was Check. More than you there. I I got now I know what I'm gonna do in the next train ride.
That's beautiful. Yeah. I love that. They're gonna arrest me on this train ride. In the beginning, you created that Yeah. That guy accused me of creating You heavens in your know, I've had a few moments before when this doesn't happen very often. I'm like, I'm at a nursing home or some setting or or I was at visiting a church that was like an older people and then they're the hymns and I just I just don't like them, you know. I just don't like them. And
part of my heart just turns really sour and I'm like, oh, you people. It's like, come on, you know. But then somewhere in there, it shifts to holy crap. These people are genuinely worshiping. Mhmm. Right? You know, it has nothing to do with me and who do you heck do you think you are? And then I've had some pretty special moments at times mostly, you know You got You got Zimbabweed at the at the nursing home. You had the Zimbabster. You showed up and then you were after you were like, oh, this doesn't suit me. And then they didn't you got flipped. If they just had a key change, this would work for me. But no. There's an old man smoking in the corner trying to get the fog going. This will get him. I hope they play up from the grave he arose.
So, you know, I I posted a video last week from from Zimbabwe. It was like when the church had started and it was just a song that they started singing and people were coming in during the song And and it was just just had a real cool sound. I'm gonna record this thing, you know. And I asked a friend a couple days later, what were they singing? Because it it was just, you know, pure joy and and and and just just craziness. And he said, what they were singing was the presence the presence of the Lord is in this place. I feel it. No. The presence the presence of the Lord is here. I feel it. I feel it in the atmosphere. And it was just like, I kinda felt it, but I had no clue. I mean, it was like it was really it was a cool experience. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, fellas. Yeah. Do you realize what we've been doing the last five minutes? What's that? We've been sitting here remembering what God's been doing. Fantastic. Hey.
We gotta throw away our original premise of the show. Yeah. We're just gonna do this. Yeah. I was gonna say, we were just sitting here talking about ways that we can tell stories about God, then all of us just shared stories of closeness with God. Yeah. Let me invite more people in here that have more stories even. So this is a crazy story. I'd never ever in my life thought I'd experience this. It was a it was middle school camp last year, and the
the lead pastor for the week said he was at at a church in Mexico, and when they'd pray, the pastor wouldn't pray over them. Everyone would pray out loud and just pure chaos
and he said, we're gonna try this. And I'm thinking to myself, I'm a leader for sixth grade boys. These guys are idiots. They're not gonna get anything out of this. Then everyone starts praying. They're praying to the they're praying out loud and they're praying different prayers and it's chaos and it's loud. But it was one of the most just
crazy, amazing things I've ever witnessed. And I don't know if I'll be able to if I if I will ever be able to experience that again just because just like the uniqueness of it and, like, that was straight from God just Uh-huh. And I wasn't even praying. I was just soaking it in around me, seeing like,
there's 250 middle school kids right here and they don't have to be here. They could be doing middle school things back home and they're here choosing to worship Jesus. It was one of the most amazing things I've ever witnessed. That sounds It does sound awesome. But That actually that showed up in that what I call it? Something fire, something spirit? Fresh wind, fresh fire. Fresh wind, fresh fire. But have you read that, Dan? I don't think so. It sounds sounds familiar, but I don't It's by Jim Simbala. Oh, maybe I have. And so that was one of the thing he described. And the whole the premise of book, I talked about this just a little bit last week, was like,
he the church was revitalized, the the Brooklyn Tabernacle. Yeah. I have read that. And the whole thing was prayer. It's basically like like, we just we had to turn this thing over to Jesus and and it's it started from this Tuesday night prayer gathering. And it's interesting, Jake, that you brought that up because, like, that was one of the things he described. Is this, like, everybody just prayed. And, of course, like, my mind doesn't work that way. I'm, like, what do you mean everybody just prayed? Like, that doesn't where's the this this sounds like disorder. Where's the worder? Yes. This sounds like disorder. Disarray. Yeah.
And so and and it was it it it occurred to me the thought I mean, like, I'm open. Like, the lord wants to move and yes, fine. We'll fire this up. And like, everyone prayed at the same time, and I thought, boy, this just sounds like me not understanding what's going on. And then your description of it, Jake, is exactly what I thought was going on, and it affirms that this is completely legitimate. And so I'm ready to fire it up. Okay. Fine. I feel like whatever. Yeah. We we just go in there and everyone can and I I think there's something to and I was taken aback by by Boo's description of worship about not being communal. Your clarification is helpful to me. But like, I I think we actually miss out on opportunity. It is a very individualistic thing to say I I I meet God best in
by myself. I think that's I think that's true. I think there's a truth in that. I I think there's another side of the coin of of being among his people and being a part of that same thing. And, like, praying together really simply we generally think of as one guy praying and everyone else listens. And, like, I I I think there's a what I'm I'm finding in worship and actually any interaction with God is that the more that is primarily intellectual,
the more I'm missing out. To just like God gave us many faculties of which to use and like that's the reason why I'm willing to sing on a train, is because, like, in that moment, I I I don't wanna to to half give him my mind, like, the things that come into your heart and into your mind, there's a disconnect when it's not coming out your mouth and it doesn't show up this is what shows up in some people's hands and some people's hands below their waist but still a little tingly, like, whatever. Like, it's it's just that this this expression of this thing and so
this this concept of communal prayer that is still not just centered on one person or some sort of weird round robin, I like this. I like this thought and it's not something that I've experienced. I mean, just footnote that, tingly hands below the waist That's weird thing to say. Yeah. What? I mean, they threw everybody out. It was creepy. So I was trying to imply people who don't raise their hands Yeah. But otherwise have a jazz You didn't say you will. Say hands below the waist tingly. Oh, shit. So What's the matter with you fellas? What's the matter with you, we're saying? So yeah. To make sure that I'm reiterating this, yeah, I I believe in the communal nature of worship from the perspective of, like, there's something wonderful to be said to be worshiping our father in a group. I meant more personally rather than the kingdom.
My issue was that I was ascribing worth to the people that I was with when I was worshiping. No. Yeah. I said thank you for the clarification. Oh, okay. Alright. I just wanted to I said you clarified. Okay. Alright. Sorry. You give me tingly hands. I love the waist. With your stories. That's a creepy statement. Hey. Listen here. I say a lot of words. I'm bound to say something wrong. I know. And we we're gonna we're gonna gravitate towards the wrong because that was weird. Luckily, no one listens to the show and can come back to the It's just us. Isn't there a complaint box or something? Yeah. No one's ever Hey. That's right on. It'll be filled now. Hey. If you wanna it's real set about taking the hands full of waste. I question your choice of podcast, frankly. I feel like the show filters people like you out. But in case that is still you, give us a call on the complaint line, (515) 517-0085.
Can you text that too? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So text that hashtag tingly hands. Yeah. And You don't hashtag in a text, Bovie. Yes. You can. You can to us so we know exactly what you're talking about at the beginning. Yeah. Hashtag tingly hands. Yeah. It'll help Go ahead and text us and let us know that that is specific specific situation you want to talk about. It'll it'll help me sort through all What was what was the number again? It's a (515) 517-0085 or 515 hate Jake. I don't know how it worked out that way Jake. Here's what I anticipate happening, a bunch of text messages be like, oh Jake was awesome, we should hear from more Jake.
I wish we'd let Jake talk more. I wish you guys had piped down. That's what happens every time we bring Jake in. I get a bunch of complaints on how we ran the whole show and didn't give Jake his room. You know what? I just like to see action on the complaint line. So if that's if that's what's on your heart, you go ahead and fire that up. Go ahead and hashtag that hate Jake. Hate Jake. Hashtag hate Jake. If I die before I wake, hate Jake. Jake, just to reiterate, we do love you, buddy. I hope. Yeah. The complaint line. Yeah. No love you. The complaint line is saying it. It's not us. Complaint line doesn't. It's a complaint line. They're going crazy. Oh, man. Alright. So here's the deal. I think the pope style is gonna have to wait. I think we're over. Yeah. I'm sure. We're over on time. Yeah. That gives time for you to to load up.
But boob is pope style is likely an antagonism towards me and so I'm gonna tell you a quick clean joke that I found. Oh, don't be let it be from Satan. I skipped you chose the Satan jokes. That's not my fault. Those are terrible. Okay. Here we go. These are clean bible jokes from the same guys who do those quizzes that we do. Here we go. A collector am I getting you otherwise getting ready for Dear Life From The Past? I'm ready. Okay. Right on. A collector of rare books ran into an acquaintance who told him he had just thrown away an old bible that he found in a dusty old box.
He happened to mention that Guten, somebody or other, had printed it. Not Gutenberg, gasped the collector. Yes, that was it. You idiot. You've thrown away one of the first books ever printed. A copy recently sold at auction for $500,000. Oh, I don't think this book would have been worth anything close to that much, replied the man. It was scribbled all over in the margins by some guy named Martin Luther.
That's the end of the joke? Was it. That's it. Hold on. Hold on. You threw away a valuable book. Catfish. Okay. We're gonna give another shot. Another bible joke.
A young boy had just gotten his driving permit. He asked his father who was a minister if they could discuss the use of the car. Father took him to a study and said to him, I'll make a deal with you, you bring your grades up, study your bible a little and get your haircut and we'll talk about it. After about a month, the boy came back and again asked his father if they could discuss use of the car. They again went to the father's study where his father said, son, I've been real proud of you, You've brought your grades up, you've studied your Bible diligently but you didn't excuse me, didn't get your haircut. The young man waited a moment and replied, you know dad, I've been thinking about that. You know Samson had long hair, Moses had long hair, Noah had long hair and even Jesus had long hair. Which his father replied, yes. And they walked everywhere. That's a pretty big setup. Squeaky clean this joke. Okay. Alright. Last one. Last Another one? This joke is told bible confusion. Oh, hold on. Are you sure? This one looks nice. I'm gonna read it. The little
girl was sitting with her grandmother who had presented her with her first children's bible, an easy to read translation when she was very young. Now a decade or so later, the elderly lady was ready to spend a few sweet moments handing down the big old family bible in the time honored King James version to her only grandchild. Understandably excited, the youngster was asking a number of questions, both about the family members whose births and deaths were recorded therein and about various aspects of the scriptures themselves. Her grandmother was endeavoring to answer all the child's questions in terms she could understand, but the one that stopped her cold was this sincere inquiry. Which virgin was the mother of Jesus? Was it the virgin Mary or the king James virgin? That's a terrible joke. That's not even a joke. It's not even jokes, Ben.
Oh, man. Hey. Christians Unite clean jokes is not is not pumping them out. What's the is that is that what the the website name is? Yeah. Yeah. It's it's under jokes.christiansunite.com. Man, we're not giving that guy no more money. I mean, I don't give him anything. Oh, man, there's one about a Christian barber. Probably shouldn't read it. Oh. Oh, no. Hey. Okay. Here's a fun game. Joke about a Christian barber. What do you think the joke is about? Circumcision.
What? Samson? Circumcision? Did you say Samson? Okay. Samson, so it could be about Samson. I didn't guess circumcision. That's what you're asking. Who said circumcision? Moova. Mike.
I'm sorry. What? Mike said circumcision. Buba said it. So it's about Tingling Hands below the waist. That's five one five five one seven zero zero eight five. It's a clean show, Buba. Come on. Okay. Hashtag Tingly Hat. Okay. So the premise of the joke has something to do with the guy talking about this guy whether he knows God and or not and then he's shaving with a straight razor and asks if he's ready to die.
I don't get it. As in he he knows to figure out if he's okay with dying, if he's gonna go to heaven or hell. Before he takes the straight razor to him. Before he sweetie tots him. That's the joke. Yeah. It doesn't even take an egg long turn or nothing. No. I hate that joke. Nope. Dear life from the path, I am a professional, independent female in my early forties. Oh, you sound funny. Oh, man. You look all the Look yourself up here. Yep. We We've been doing these too long. We're be fun. Not hate sure men. I'm not sure how to handle a friend I've known for nearly ten years. She's beautiful with a magnetic personality but she has a terrible habit of lying and embellishing about things big and small, inconsequential and serious.
Much like your opening line. Yeah. What does that have to do with anything? I am very professional and wonderful. By the way, my friend here, compulsive liar. But she's beautiful. But she's A beautiful compulsive liar with a magnetic personality. Okay. Continues. There have been times I've been appalled by the enormity of her lies and embarrassed for her when she's someone indicates they're aware that she isn't true. I have gently reminded her more than once that it'll catch up to her and encourage her to be honest. She persists. My problem, a few years ago, when she expressed desire to, quote, expand her circle, she incorporated some of my closest friends and their friends. Boundaries have been blurred and they need to impress others, lie, greatly exaggerate,
has grown worse. These new friends are drawn to her dynamic personality, yet I can no longer stomach her rampant dishonesty. Will I possibly lose or damage other relationships by ending my friendship with her? Should I label her a liar and watch her react? I don't know if this is if this friendship can be salvaged or if I even want to. Bro, I'm sick to my stomach. Would you be jealous? So your options are, walk away from your friend, deal with the social repercussions,
gossip and brand this person as a liar Yeah. And hope for the best. Obviously, with a thesaurus. I feel like she said five different ways of being dishonest. Yeah. Well, I mean, I don't think here's the deal. If they're a compulsive liar to this extent, don't think there's any good in just calling them out. I think they know. Yeah. Everybody knows. They either do know and don't care or they are completely, like, unable to understand this and there's something psychological going on, in which case you are probably not professional
enough and skilled enough as a mental health provider to help them understand the compulsive lying nature. I disagree. Of course, you disagree. I feel like you call it out, but don't put don't have any feeling towards it. Right? Like Booba says, I went to the circus. Say, Booba, didn't go to no circus. Anyway, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah and we move on. Right? Like you only have to get worked up about it if you want to. So you just say, that's a lie you're saying and then you move on without having any feelings behind it. Yeah. Or you get just a card, like a fan that you could hold up says that's a lie. Yeah. Just take it out. Yeah. That's a lie. See if you can hire Maury Povich. I deal with the I deal with the same thing. I started working with this kid like seven months ago. He's not beautiful. Right.
Have a He doesn't have a magnetic personality? He does not have a magnetic personality, but I'm pretty sure 80% of what he says is a lie. Uh-huh. And Uh-huh. I'm just like I wanna say we're we're acquaintances because we're coworkers, but we're not friends. So I don't really feel like it's necessary to call him out. I'm just like, okay, cool. Okay. Yeah. He's sponsored apparently, he's sponsored by Red Bull for skateboarding Right. And climbing mountains. Absolutely. The mountains are rampant here, I hope. Yeah. Absolutely. I I believe our friend here is jealous of the popularity
of of her friend and she is highly overrating other people's opinion. The fact that they maybe even would be thinking of her. No one cares if she's friends with this liar. Nobody cares. Right. And she's afraid that people are gonna like, there's gonna be some ripple effect if she backs off. Just just back off. That's okay. But don't worry about it. Just don't worry about it. People are lying to Dan, they only like her because of her lies. Nope. I've been being suckered in. Yeah. Does that affect you? Doesn't that mean you're friends with a bunch of suckers? Well, you make bad friends. Great. Yeah. Leave. But that's what I'm saying. I think that's the hubris of this woman is to think that she's the only person that's caught on to the lies. Yeah. Mostly mean She's professional. Mostly here's the thing. If they can't if they can't sniff out In her early forties. If they can't sniff out a liar, then it doesn't matter that it's true.
Right? Like, don't know the difference anyway, they're easily taken in. And I don't know if they can't pick that one out, I don't know that, like, you saying so is gonna be like, oh, well well then, you must be telling the truth. Yeah. I I think they just don't know the difference. But Sandra plays professional volleyball. No, she does not. Sandra does not play professional volleyball. That's what I would say. Yeah. And that's what I say is, like, I think I I think to your point, I I don't know don't overinvest in this situation. Yeah. Like, if someone lies and you know it's a lie, say, hey, don't I don't that's not true. Yeah. And then whatever. Then then the room is aware of it and neither the person can defend themselves or whatever. But, like, you don't have to get super invested. Like, you are a dirty liar, Sandy. Yeah. Like, that's just not necessary. Sandra is best friends with Oprah. Sandra is not best friends with Oprah. Yeah. Yeah. No. I invented the question mark. No, you did not. Sandra used to be married to Pat Sajak. No, she did not. She did not well, she was not married to Pat Sajak. Yeah. See? I could do this for Anna. What?
What? Wheel of Fortune. He hosts the Wheel of Fortune. Wheel of Fortune. Okay. And Van and White. Let's let's let's talk about how monumental that was in you guys' lives versus mine.
Yeah. But you're a derelict. Yeah. Cool. You're That's fine by me, I guess. You're a vagabond and a known derelict. Who's somebody that you know that I don't know? Go. Don't eyebrows in here. I don't I don't I'd like It's a radio program. Name someone famous to people like you that would not be famous to me. Dave Chang. Pokemon. I don't know Dave Chang. Hey, do you know the Pokemon? Blue Pokemon? Just the the the whole thing? All of all of Pokemon Isn't that the is it Ash Ketchum? Isn't that the yellow guy? The Pokemon? Pikachu. Is His Pokemon. Isn't that it's not Pokemon? No. Pokemon is Japanese for pocket monster.
See, I didn't know that. That's five one five five one seven zero zero eight five. Sorry. That was six when it came out or I was six when it came out and it was all my friends did. My apologies. By the way, Dave Chang is a is a restaurant owner of the Momofuku chain in New York. I don't know why I didn't know that. That's definitely the circle I travel in. People that know crap like that, nerd. I know. I don't see, I don't know people who host game shows but I know chefs. Pat Sajak been on the air for thirty years, Buva. I don't care The longest run Wait. Do you know Alex Trebek? I know Alex Trebek. Well, do you know people who host game shows? Do you know Steve Harvey? No. You don't know Steve Harvey? Man. Here we go. Secular says, Bubba is a liar. You
don't have to make any grand announcements regarding this poor woman. Stepping back from relationship with a compulsive liar should not damage your other friendships. People will soon recognize her for what she is and will likely follow your example. If, however, you are asked why you no longer socialize with her, I think you should quietly answer the question truthfully. That it? Is that what we think? Pretty close. Okay. Okay, here we go. Let's go, last one. Ready?
Dear live from the path. My sister is driving me and our other sister nuts. There are five years between the three of us. We're all seniors who live in the same city and have always been close. Wow. It's a gray hair feud. This sounds like an episode of Golden Goose. This sounds like an episode of Pat Sajak. Here we go.
Life from the Path, the oldest talks nonstop. It was always a family joke but it's gotten worse. Now she interrupts people to tell her story. After all, everything is all about her. A cousin we hadn't seen in several years came to town and we all had dinner. Not once did my sister ask, why are you in town? How are you doing? Your family? Etcetera. She just talks and talked about herself and her family. It's no longer a joke. She's just plain rude. It's getting difficult to be around her. How do we stop her outlandish behavior without hurting her feelings? All listened out in Iowa. Oh. This one's in our back door fellas. Can't you can't let it stand. I think it's suffered by a vowel. Yeah. By an shut up, Ruth.
Okay. She's older. She's interrupting because she can't hear, so she doesn't know the other person's talking. Yeah. And what else she have to do but talk? I mean, this is yeah. Alright. We're all seniors who live in the same city. Wow.
Hang out less. Yeah. Just be done with it. We've lived No. I'm not saying be done. Just hang out less. We've lived our whole life together, guys. Literally, yeah. If you live in the same city, it doesn't mean you have to spend every day with lunch together. That is not what that means. Just hang out less. It'll be a lot less annoying if you're not there every day with her. Sorry. Sorry to interrupt. There's a poll out on the Life in the Path Facebook page
and it says, Buva has never heard of Pat Sajak of Wheel of Fortune fame. Have you? And so far, a 100% of people that have responded said yes, I know Pat Sajak. So one person has responded and they said yes? Yes. Sweet. I like that percentage way of saying that. That was a good deal. I I know. A 100% of people have said yes. It was me. Wait. Wait till And it was you that replied. Don't worry. Even better. Barta will pick this poll up, and we'll talk about it next week. Hey. The poll ends in six days. Go hit that up. Anyway, good.
Okay. I mean, this one's got kind of a dead air balloon. Bubba says, look, stop people talk all the time, just stop hanging out with him. Now, hold on. I would like to speak to this but I was making that poll. Yeah. Give give me the gist of it. Basically, three old ladies live in the same town, they're all from the same family, five years apart. One of them one of them Poohba. One of them talks too much and the and the other two are sick of it. Okay. They're just sick of it. Don't knock it off. Why'd you say my name? Why'd you I feel like you just voted on the poll and broke up your own plate. What are you talking about? Check those check those percentages now, man.
Hey. Hey. Is your dad your dad as skewed yet? It's 67 to 33, bubba. Mike, did you just go on and vote? I don't got time for that. I have friends in hot places. Not yet, least. Hey, Kevin Lindbergh's in. He knows best I can. It's okay. So it's you and Kevin Lindbergh. Kevin?
It's ridiculous. I'm a message Kevin Lindbery. That's great. Hey, here's no one actually cares about this. No. No. These old ladies, don't know. No. We're we're not even gonna give Senkita's advice. Nobody cares. Yeah. She's only upset because she wants to be. Yeah. You're old. Yeah. You're old. You smell like prunes. Advice from a millennial. Stop being so freaking old. Yeah. Wear two layers of socks. We're not turning the thermostat up no more.
It's on 85. That's ridiculous. That's too much. I'm 84 degrees out, and you have 85 on the thermostat. Dolores, you're ridiculous. When the cat farts and you think it smells like a cool breeze, that thermostat's up too high. It's a five one five five one seven zero zero eight five. Catwyd, Nick. Catwyd. Goodnight.
Hashtag Gladys Dolores in Eunice. He can't break Jake here anymore. He brings out people get Randy. I don't know what to do. That is a terrible thing to say. Hope you realize, man. Mike. That's Randy doesn't mean what you think Yeah. It Do we need to go Princess Bride in this situation? Does it mean I do not think that word means what you think it means. It means riled up. Inconceivable. Doesn't it mean all crazed up?
I mean, kinda. Yeah. Kinda. I used it, right? Nope. Nope. No, sure didn't. Well Nope. Not that kinda riled up. I feel like I've made a mistake to go check out. What's the number again? Yeah. Yeah. Right. That's good. Below the pants tingling. I'm sponsored by Red Bull. I won't be talking like this.
So alright. 5 Pat Sajak is monitoring the complaint line. (515) 517-0085. Call or text. Mean, we'll pick your poison here. Yeah. We'll take it in. Oh, man. I just didn't I didn't see that coming. You need to end the show right now, Ben. I'm working on it. I didn't have You've been listening last week for The Path. We very much appreciate you hanging out with us on the show. Seriously, feel free to hit up that complaint line. We we need to know what's wrong. We need to hear from you. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead and hook that up. Hey. You could also participate in the Facebook poll. Yeah. Hey. Lots of cool stuff for you guys to do this week. Go hit up that Facebook poll. And hey, feel free to use that that line, and we'll call it the you don't have to call it the complaint line, but like, hey, maybe God's doing something in your life, and you wanna share it with somebody. Yeah. We'd love to hear it. Yeah. We'd we'd just love to hear that. And it it it does good things for us and causes not to go off on weird tangents. Alright? Bubba said something inappropriate, I'm certain, in the last couple of minutes. I'm appalled.
Something about a guy named Randy. This show is an outrage. Alright. Big thanks, Jake. Thanks for coming in, buddy. I appreciate for having me. It's good to see you. Safe travels to Ethiopia, and the door's open anytime. In fact, you can use a complaint line even if you want to. You can dial us up from Ethiopia. Yeah. By the way, you guys stink in all countries. Alright. In the meantime, we'll see you next week. In the meantime, be faithful in the means. God will handle the ends. This has been last week from the path.
