These people are confused. Just need some love guns. Wrong culture. Well, I'm good. Why don't I? We're straight Jesus. Live from the Pathway Studios in Johnston proper. You are live from the Path. And you're listening to live from the Path, joining from the Pathway Studios here in Johnston proper. Why are we talking so loud, man? What do mean? No. I was talking in a normal voice. No. You're yelling at everybody. It was bold. Okay. Why are you so mad? Because it's a new it's a new year, fellas. It's a new year and it's time for boldness. Okay. My voice, my voice reflects that here's what got going on the show this evening. First of all, I saw a man on the Facebook who we interviewed. I mean, I like eight years ago, guy wrote a book voting a Christ in the voters. Yeah. Shedlock. Uh-huh. Right? Yeah. Okay. So, anyway, he was talking today. He's like, my church only

sings the Psalms, and that's it. I saw that. I guess I I didn't make the connection. I had no idea who I thought, who are these people that I have friends of? I don't even know who guy. Oh, Dad's got a bunch of random friends. I just have friends. So anyway, I want to talk about that because, like, it's postured as like a super holy stance. And I wanna, I just want to talk about it just just a little bit to make sure we're coming at this thing with the right angle. So we're gonna we're gonna pipe in on that. Because I I've heard that I've heard very similar, even even bump it up a notch and say, it's not just songs. They're like, Hey, we only sing scripture. Sing exact scripture out of the, like out of the book. Ephesians singing songs, hymns, and spiritual songs. Yes. Or Yeah. So I wanna I wanna touch on that. Again, I just I just wanna make sure we were thinking about that wisely. So we're gonna do that. There was a maybe you've seen this, depending on where you're at in the world, because I I recognize that life from the path is worldwide. Thank you, Poland.

But there was, there's been some billboards around here, that, like, it's an ad campaign that's basically designed to try to get you to say, Hey, look, Jesus relates to you. Jesus had trouble with relationships too type of thing, or like, Jesus's mom, was in a tricky situation. Like, like, think things about Jesus's life and the life of the church that's supposed to try to get, I think, people to take what maybe their perception of religion or Jesus specifically off a, a dusty old shelf with the glasses and the stale bread and into a life that maybe we can recognize. I think that's the intent of the ad campaign. And so I kind of want to talk through that. First of I'm interested if you guys saw it. Then Dan found an article about it. And so, I want to read through that and kind of, see what's shaking. And again, maybe the question is effective. That that was my, that was my thought. You ever seen a billboard board in your life selling anything that you thought? I'm not going to do that. Yeah. I like the ones that have a clock on them or the temperature. I always think that was super handy. Yeah. Other than that, I can't think of a single time a billboard influenced me to do anything

that I know of. What did you I'm trying to think, like, what about, what about food? Hey, try this new thing. Are you drugging? Like, can you get drug in by that? The only thing that used to catch my eye, that's probably been, maybe it was the eighties was maybe, I dunno. It was like some velvet whiskey or something. It was some really slinky girl on there. And I'm like, Woah, don't look Dan. So I don't even know what they were selling. Okay. So it was the anti problem. Dan says, whatever you're selling, I'm not even allowed to look. I can't look over there. Yeah. So, Or like those billboards that say, see billboard advertising works. And I'm like, merely because you're in my landscape. That's not fair. I've seen those. Yeah. I saw a billboard.

Actually, it was there for many years. It was on my drive home from work and it was said, hungry, and it was a Hardee's Hardee's with with a bunch of chicken strips Oh, yeah. On there. And I thought to myself, yes. I am. Yeah. You're right, Billboard. You got me. I would go get Hardee's. It worked. Okay. So that will work. Yeah. Okay. Hungry immediate question. Satisfaction type of thing of I need food. Yeah. So actually, maybe I'm interested then if you guys, maybe let us know on the life from the path, Bob Eisenhower complaint line, (515) 517-0085. You can call or text, but, like, when does a billboard worked? Have you looked at a billboard and you said, well, now wait a minute. What about have you guys seen the ones where it's like, hey. The national debt and it's spinning. Did it cause you to think, oh, man, we should probably behave ourselves? No, man. That's just like when it's just like when you get a mortgage to a house. Anything over, like, $75 is funny money to me. And so they have, like, a thousand,

you know, numerals that I'm like, I I don't know. Point, it's probably just part of the natural urban landscape at this point, these signs. Yeah. And you feel I feel I think companies feel obligated to to set set up some sort of funny picture up there. Yeah. Because otherwise, there's no way to to, like, reel people in. It's a forest for the trees. Right? And let's say, like, people be driving over the Rocky Mountains and, like, the the visitors will be like, wow. This is so cool. What a landscape, you know, to look at. And people who live there for years are like, stupid mountain blocks all the sun. You know? Like, that's how we feel about the the billboards anymore. Like, they they lost their effectiveness Yeah. Years ago. Like the like the pamphlet, the guy hands out at the street corner to show you how salvation is coming and and you're about ready to get revelatized. Wait. So do you find this because you could make the same case then digitally about Facebook ads or something. Have you guys ever clicked on a Facebook ad to get more information? No. No. No. Yeah. I'm drawn in. Okay. What did you do you remember what you clicked on? I think I, I mean, I've, I I'll be honest guys. I'm a I'm a rampant clicker. I'm taking in a lot. I don't know where my computer get those viruses. Actually, I got sucked in by the auctions. Like, they started advertising local auction houses, and I'm like, that looks like a bunch of music equipment. Dad, put that away. This is a 1970s billboard for velvet. They can't there's no way that was allowed in public. It was a billboard. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you can see how the junior high guy would go, Hey, no

high school, whatever I want. I mean, you had to walk there, Dan, you walked to that billboard and said, I can't believe this is here again. So actually I'm with Nathaniel. I get suckered in by, by ads all the time. Yeah. Like, cause I'm curious, there was like a, and it was, it was around Christmas time and there was some sort of ad that said, look at all these sweet machines you build out of only like small pieces of wood. And it's like a kit and you build like a whole amusement park out of them, a propeller spins and stuff. Like, there's also a, somebody made like a, like a, a metal a bended, a bended metal shape playing a base, but the head was a light bulb.

And I said, I'm interested because I wanted, if it was $15, I'd bought it already. Yeah. Now it was 85. Of course. That's why you're running Facebook ads. That's how they get you in. Because I always click and I'm like, woah, that's way too expensive. I gotta get out of there. I'm gonna tell you right now, after this bit of information, I'm getting a new accountability, man. Can't trust you. The sad thing is though that that advertisement, that click, that's that's where the real money's at. Yeah. Because they're selling those advertisements, that advertising spaces. You're right. Facebook's making the money for me having clicked on. That's the that I felt I liked the guy. I thought he was charging too much, but I thought he might lower his prices if he was doing better. So I just took clipping on the ad. I said, ringing them up. That's a good idea. Yeah. Now we have, every year we do this a new year's Eve thing for the party for the kids. And we would just say everybody come in like 30 people comes now. Now I'll put like a $75 in Facebook ads and we'll have 300, 400 people easy. It really does make that big of a difference? Just like that. The last year and probably 400 or 500. I I because they're the entire building just just filled from one end to the other, and people are coming and going as I am. He has no idea. No way to know how many $75 in Facebook ads produces that much action. Yep. Just like that. Oh, my cow. Yep. Every they offer live from the past, $50 boost. They're like, hey. We'll give you $50 towards your next ad purchase. And I consistently look at it and be like, I give you no $50. The show's doing just fine. Or the Facebook does. Yeah. Facebook does. Oh, okay. So, was that, I think that was it. And we got some advice on, oh, we got secular versus Solomon tonight and some advice on dear life in the past. And in case you've not played the game, secular versus Solomon,

the, the, the point is to see if you can't sort out your wisdom. Okay. So I'm gonna give you a proverb, a bit of wisdom, and you're tell me, Dan says you can't do it. Black Velvet billboard lady. That's all I can think about. The point is, is like one is that biblical wisdom, Solomon and include Ecclesiastes or anything in Proverbs you think was written by somebody else, we're still good. Okay. That's Solomon. Or if it's a secular bit of wisdom, we wanna know, country of origin. Where's this information coming from? As an example, this god helps those who helps themselves, secular Solomon. That's the secular America.

There we go. Right. Right. So, like, we know that it's not biblical stuff, so quit trying to use that. And then secondly, where did it come from? And it's American nefariousness. Yeah. That's where it's from. Okay. That's secular versus Solomon. We'll you a shot at the game. You can play play along at home, and you could text us the results to the life and path complaint line (515) 517-0085 and whether you've been taken in by a billboard. And we have a guest. Oh, hi. I'm Gavin McAvetti. I'm here by strange circumstances, but I'm here. That's true. He did kinda wander in. I kinda wandered in. I looked at their studio, and I said, yeah. I'm sitting down. Yeah. This is where I'm gonna be. This is welcoming. Looks like a comfy chair and some smooth conversation. He also brought treats, which I'm very excited about. Yeah. I did bribe them to get on the show. I will tell you that there has been a market decrease in people bringing treats in here, boys. Yeah. Kevin sets a high bar. Yeah. Problem is, is everybody's old enough where everyone's trying to cut weight or something at some point. We're like, Hey, I brought donuts dude, wrong week. I'll bring like carrots next time. I'll bring the dip. I brought this for your food journey.

Okay. So question at the top of the hour, guy writes my church only sings Psalms. We think it's valuable. We think it's w that he didn't provide like an extensive defense of it, but I have seen a lot of people

try to make the case of the purity of worship coming from singing scripture. And so the question is is, like, is there is there a reason to think of it that way to like elevate the notion of worship? Like, like, just just assume you're as a church getting together or community getting together and singing, that the words themselves come from the Tyndale,

versus something that someone in this day and age has has written down in reflection or contemplation. And you're asking, do we think this is valuable? Yeah. Yeah. Should should should would we, would we agree? Is there a reason do we agree? It's more valuable to sing, in his case, Psalms or in some people's case scripture over and above something that, a human has written in this century. I would put it in the same realm as saying, like,

there's a reason that we have teachers to teach biblical texts, especially as time progresses from the culture and the language of which it was written in. Right? Like, some things don't translate well into modern thought

or understanding but just inherently by how they're written. Like, because of the old school, whatever. And so, like, I would say that I would have a hard time saying that you it's basically like saying, look. You can only worship in this very specific way, not in a personal way, also in a language and a culture that you didn't understand very well and, like, has a hard time connecting to you directly. And so, like, I yeah. I would I would say no. I I don't think that. I mean, I'm not saying it's bad, but, like and and most modern worship does take a theme. Sure. Like, it's very exciting when you read the Psalms and you're like, oh, yeah. Chris Tomlin wrote that. Like, because he stole, like, two two lines out of Psalm 30. You know? And so, like, it's it's nice to for your for your heart to be, you know, bolstered when you read within, you know, stuff that's worship songs that have come from scripture. But like at the end of the day, I just it feels unnecessarily a lack of, yeah, a lack of freedom. Well, you figured David was, you know, what, approximately a thousand BC. That means nothing before 1,000 BC was legitimate worship.

Right. Right. I mean, they had the yacht horn. Yeah. But they didn't have the song. They just, they were just blowing their horns. Bunch of horn blowing little David was blowing his horn. Yep. I I go, I don't know. Nathaniel, did I see you, shake your head one way or the other? I was shaking my head, but it was, it was, in jest alone. Okay. But also, I don't know. I feel like it,

I'm not sure if it it's over and against like, better than but if someone wants to just sing the Psalms, I feel like that that's acceptable. Like, I'm not gonna tell them to Oh, totally. Yep. So if you had TT. So if you had a like like, if your church culture said, look. All we do is sing the Psalms. I don't think that we actually have it. Or seeing the scriptures in general, like Singing scriptures. I think we'd like, yeah. I mean, if that's as a group of believers who love Jesus and Yahweh is what you wanna do, I mean, I I don't think we have anything against it. I think it goes back to, like, the Christmas tree conversation. Right? Like, if you're convicted that the Christmas tree is wrong and evil and you don't want it in your house and you feel like you're gonna worship another way during Christmas, I think that's completely fine. Do what you want. Paul would also agree. Right? But then you walk out the door and then start pointing at other people and go, your Christmas tree is evil. You're worshiping it. Think I you've probably crossed the line because you don't actually know any of that. And so, like, if it causes you to look at other church bodies and go, you're not doing what we're doing. Some meat meat, some don't eat meat. But you know what I'm saying? Like so if you're if you're starting to look at it that way, I think you're starting to cross a line. I think I think worship's a really interesting topic because it it's really easy for me when I go to a new church or something to judge very quickly based off of worship, mostly because I for my taste in music, I really

crave uniqueness a lot in music. And if something sounds a little pop song ish, it almost immediately turns me off from that kind of song, which is kind of why I really do like the older. It's almost almost contrary to what I said, but like some of these older folk tunes or songs and things like that have something something to them that has made them less. Yeah. So long. And I think it can't it can't be wrong if someone is just like, yes, I I love all the Psalms and I want to I want our church to sing them. Whether or not he's taking a super dramatic stance on, whether or not,

it's right to sing a new song to God. I mean, there's Psalms saying, sing a new song to God. So Yeah. Yeah. He would run into a real problem when God says, we're gonna do the new song. You're like, woah. Hold on now. We ought to do the Psalm. Yeah. I I I'm I might be a little bit more firmly stanced here, but I'm I'm a hard no. I it's it's it's almost, like, this is not acceptable to think that these are more holy than anything else for multiple reasons. But the strong one is is that, like, it misunderstands the work of the spirit for one. Right? Like, you have a codified scripture of which the spirit has guided, and and that's great. Like, it's a revelation of god. It's it's inerrant, all true. And, frankly, a lot of this comes from, people trying to protect inerrancy because they're worried about the holy spirit. They get cautious of the movement of a spirit in the world, and so they say, if it came from a person, it has the fallibilities of a person. If I trust that God guided a spirit to work through people, I mean, every freaking step of the way, Every step of the way, he chose two people and goes, I'm gonna use my spirit for them to rule on my behalf here to be my image, my idol from Genesis one to two. Excuse me. Then, like, then that's how it works. And so as people continue to express that into the world, our fear of that, to a certain extent, is a lack of trust in God's ability to otherwise direct and drive culture. And so I'm super cautious on the elevation

of of those types of things because it starts to pull the ability for the Holy Spirit to work in people's lives and in his communities and throughout the world. And it basically points us back to a place that says, this is the only place in which the spirit could be trusted and not somewhere else. And so I'm super cautious about that. And I would also propose to you secondly is that anybody in this situation is likely being super hypocritical because I would ask you what your pastor does even if all they got up there was to then read the Bible and sit down, which I believe I advocated for not like two months ago. Absolutely. Because, and remember we were talking about the pastors in the survey who were like, I'm not even sure and blah blah blah. I'm like, then get up and read the scriptures and sit down. That's fair. I think that's fine if you don't don't create risk. But, like, past that, if they're giving any extrapolation at all alongside the scripture, that's the same risk that you're trying to hedge against for your worship. And so I reject it. I think I think one of the the big red flag for me here is it makes it seem as if worship is an old thing.

Like and it can only it's only it's been done. Yeah. Really. And I don't think I don't think we wanna be at that place where we don't try to worship in new ways or, I don't know. It kinda it kinda makes you have if you write some

song to God, it makes you have to be humble and worship in a different way than to write music for a psalm. Yes. Yes. For sure. Yeah. Well and, like, it does. It takes all the way all the the uniqueness of, like, movements that God is trying to do. Right? Like, I don't know that I can speak for every Christian song on the radio at the moment, but I can say that, like, I think that God has put songs in people's heart before, right, and have them have them come out and, like, have been edifying for his body and have been I'm I'm a big worship guy. Right? Like, I listen I'm like, well, a of my interaction with God is through is through music. You know? And so, like, there's I there's just no doubt in my mind that God put a song on a guy or a gal's heart, and I hear it and and, you know, some ten, fifteen years later or whatever, and I'm like, man, what a perfect way for God to speak into me right now. Right? This is so awesome. And to say that that wasn't possible when, like, I struggle, like, with the Psalms. I struggle in there. In the Proverbs, the Psalms, almost all that language in there, like, it just kinda depends on how God created you, but, like, none of that stuff.

I struggle to have it speak to me in any meaningful way. I just struggle in there. You know? And so, like, that would be really unfortunate. Right? That there's the hands up worship has to be stuff that I don't actually understand very well. Yeah. And I and I think back to the point, and a little bit what was get Gavin was getting at, like, I mean, it's just a certainly a both end. This is not an exclusion of that. I think it's awesome. As a matter of fact, there was something that, in what's a recent song that we had, that my wife goes, I I thought I'd heard that song before. Like, I recognize the words, but no, it was a different song. I said, baby, it's probably song. Like, there's, they're probably taking something where God's people have, have expressed and, and are weaving it into, different songs and textures.

And like, I I totally expect guys in Bolivia to be singing something with different textures in their songs, because that's what their cultures do. And, like, there is something communal about sharing words that the people of God have lamented over and praised with time over time. It's it's beautiful. But I the but the caution

is you don't make that holy in in in saying that that is the only way of which it can be done as if God is not actively moving and working in the world today. That's the part that I would reject and frankly is a lot of the thing is is a bit of a symptomatic of some of our interaction with the holy spirit. It's a it's a we're very cautious with the holy spirit. And I think that would actually be an indication to me that say, like, you gotta let, you gotta let God be God here and let him work through humans. And you go, well, I think humans are dangerous to work through. Yeah. It's one of the great conundrums of the world that God had said, this is how I wanna do it. But like, I won't try to leash that as a human. And so I think that's my greatest caution is, is what feels like a suppression of God's active movement among people with that type of thought. Know? And then you consider there's a good number of Psalms that aren't really, a sing worthy praiseworthy,

you know, the baby, my mommy crush their head, you know? I mean, I guess just put it to some punk music maybe, but it's like, I don't know if that wasn't a worship service. There's guy I used to know. He would he would quote, like, break my teeth, oh, Lord. It's just like a it was like, you're praying. I was like, oh my gosh. You're so brutal.

I think and I think that's right. That's what's interesting about the Psalms is, like, we even run a risk of, yes, they're scripture, but, like, they're they're very human. Yeah. Know your scripture. These are like, the the context of these things, like, is trans it's a re it's still a revelation to us to go even as humans feel this now, watch the character of God and how it works and move through some of these things, even how Jesus quotes the Psalms in similar ways. And so, like, again, like, we just I think we just get so nervous around,

Like something that feels in our minds feels like extra biblical, but it's not, it's, it's, it's a, there's an active working of the holy spirit in our lives that, that also then looks back at the scriptures and goes, these were also people of who God was working perfectly through their imperfectness to, to be able to show and relate to and reveal character and reveal true and good things and ways in which God is, is interacting with the fallen humanity. And like, I just I'm I'm not buying that. God said, well, we can do this, you know, 1,000 BC, and that's about it. We gotta lock it down. I can't do any more work. It's good to be cautious of

music because, I mean, there are people very clearly who have not hit it big in the music industry who have turned to Christian music because I think they can sell more. Mhmm. And I think Is what they're singing true? Maybe. Then I'm for it. Yeah. Exactly. If we're singing it better, then I'm all for it. But I think it when it comes to when it comes to worship, that is

it should be important. Right? It shouldn't be it's not the it's not the same thing as listening to a song. Right? You have another layer to it. And so I think that it's important to be cautious about it, but we shouldn't we shouldn't exclude exclude music just because

it's written by a human being and not You caught well, yeah. So go back bring that to a finer point, though. Cautious in in what way? Yeah. Well, I mean, cautious in that you should listen through it. Be certain that is scripturally scripturally sound. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm with you there. Certain that it was written by the holy spirit. And third of all How would you know that? Does it sound good? I mean so I sorry. Don't mean to press you here, but how would you know that? I think

I don't know. Well, actually, it kinda ties back into something. Hey. Mind if I share a story? Sure. Yeah. Okay. Well, this is pretty recent. Actually, this is like maybe two weeks ago. There was a night I got home. I was really tired and I was feverish almost like really dehydrated from the work of the day and

I laid down in bed, and I was just sitting there. And the whole night, I I could not go to bed. I was just praising God. And I clearly felt the spirit

there. And I wrote a psalm to God that night in just in my heart. And I know I don't know I don't know what what's a clear way to define it. But to me, it's like, oh, this was not not just my words.

Like, this is an articulation of what I have wanted to say for so long. Yeah. And I think that true worship is not just a repeating not just a repeating of what other people have said, but this is what is true about God. This is our this is the the clearly seen characteristics of him. And just the fact that he is worthy to be praised. And

I don't know. It's it's hard. It's hard because it requires a level of trust of the person and a level of trust in God, I think. I bet yeah. I'm I think I'm strongly with you on the second one. I'm less concerned about the fallibility of the person. Because, like, every worship has been written by a fallible per you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, whether in the act of that worship writing or three days later when they kick the dog. I don't know. Right? But, like, underneath every attempted praise came from a sinful, fallible person. And so I'm less concerned about having to tie back to the integrity of the writer than I am, I think, on the thing that you mentioned earlier, which is, is this telling me some is this reminding me something true about God? Is it enriching

in a way that is that, again, I agree, scripturally bound, and in ways that, like, honors God, elevates God, reminds me of true things? And then past that, I'm I'm good with the fallibility of the messenger, I think. Yeah. And, actually, I mean, I've heard quite a few songs that were like they were not designed to be worship songs. They weren't even written by people who love Jesus. Right? And, like, parts of it sniff like Jesus to me, and I feel like the holy spirit points that out. Like, he'll take a thing that, like, was made by a broken human and go, I mean, you can be reminded about me through this Mhmm. Right, in these couple ways. And, like, there's a couple songs out there that I like. They're not they're written by regular secular artists, and I'm like, I don't know. I I I could sniff some Jesus out of this thing. And I think to to to also something that Gavin alluded to earlier is that, like, I wouldn't listen to most of the songs that we go through that we do in kind of worship even at at church or or most churches. I just don't care for them. However, in the moment of me,

like, like openly wanting to be part of, of thoughtfulness and praise and worship, like those tunes sale, they hit me deep because I want it. I'm I'm there I'm open and I want to be part of that. And like, whether I dug on the tune or not, like, it's not actually as of the same consequence. Like, did I want to come to meet worship like in my community today? Well then, I mean, I don't care what's on the docket firing up any song you want, Lord Jesus be praised. No, I'm going stop putting so much work in then. I can't, I can't speak to the fickleness of Nathaniel, but I mean, I'm in, have a tendency to

over spiritualize things and under spiritualize things. You know, I think of this, you know, a whole generation of people that, that, talk about the sacred hymns, you know, and how beautiful they are. And then there's some great hymns, right? Well, you look at the typical, hymn book and it might like, there's like, I can't remember how many thousands were written by Fannie Crosby. Right. So I remember reading about her one day and I'm like, she's like pushing out like 600 a day. I mean, she was just a job. Someone, they were paying her $20 and she was just throwing out all the, and some of them are really cool and meaningful, but you can't tell me she sat there in this holy spirit moment, in a cold sweat every day. And I hear is the song I've put three weeks worth it. No, no. She did about 500 during those three weeks. Right. And some stuck in some didn't some of the people said, yeah, I like this. Then throw in the modern music. I like what Kevin said, you know, you have, you have artists or something that are making some beautiful music. Well, then you get it into the publishers and they're like tweaking things. Like, well, we got to make it good. We got to make it mainstream. We gotta make it so all the churches will want to buy this, you know? And then they start tweaking things that's in any music. And it's

like, okay, you've kind of lost the heart of what was going on. The artist is like, I guess I'll keep, yeah, I got a contract. I gotta sing it. But, you know, which is and you know what's so inter this is what I find so interesting about what God can do. Even that corporatized mechanized piece of music can still point people back to Jesus. Yeah. The guy who wrote the song is probably feeling pretty about it. It's not my song, but, but I mean, whatever, like, like poor substance of an offering humanity has often had to go Jesus. I think this is all I have to give. God goes, I can bless that. I can work with this. You know what saying? And so like, I, I think I've, I've just gotten a lot more, open that God is bigger than our shortcomings, our fallibilities are when our humanity sneaks farther into processes and things than we want. Like, can he still do whatever he wants in here? And am I open to that? And then I'd I I found that I don't get caught up so much in some of the things that might have tied me up because they're not actually even my principles to defend. You know what I'm saying? And so, like, and it's yeah. Anyway, so I I think that's that's where I roll up is that, like, I'm I'm concerned that we don't overly,

in in trying to protect and elevate scripture, that we otherwise constrain the spirit in ways that are not otherwise biblically directed. And that would be the caution. And it would be awkward to go to, like, a, like, a Christian music festival and have everyone sing Miriam's song from Genesis.

This song's terrible. Like, it doesn't matter what beat you put behind it. It's not catchy. That's true. Everywhere in scripture where it says we're like the the headings intend to imply a song. It is it's not significant. No. It has no catch. I ain't catching it. There's no stanzas. It is a chorus, really. Try it in Hebrew. That's probably better than Hebrew. I bet it's Boston Hebrew. Actually, I I've, I've, I've gone, I've listened to some Psalms that have been sung in Hebrew, and except for the, some, some of them feel like a soccer chants and then that's all right. But like still, they don't even bother to rhyme or they're like very hard, like German type of run.

They're like, they're like throat clearers, all these rhymes. You're like, I just doesn't have the sweep to it. You know, I listened to, I was it's been a few weeks ago, but I was listening to her on repeat. This lady singing the lord's prayer in Aramaic. Yeah. It was wild. Yeah. I listened to Tim Mackie, like, sing prayers, like, old Jewish prayers. Yeah. Like, I don't see that was super interesting. It feels monkish at times. Like, it's got the it's got the monk vibe to it. Yeah. Okay. Hey. You've listening live from the path. I don't know. Let us know. You got, we got the thing wrong. You wanna torch I'll give you Nathaniel's address if you're real upset about it, and you can go, you can go torch his house. 5155170085. Only the Psalms Nathaniel and fire it up. All right. Shoot, I lost the article. So we're talking about this, this ad campaign. It was, it was big money, Dan a $100,000,000. Yeah. Okay. Wow. And it says, let's see. If you haven't seen the commercials yet, you will.

This month, what is thought to be the biggest ever Christian advertising campaign will go national. Television commercials along with online ads and billboards will target millennials and Gen Z with a carefully crafted, exhaustively researched, and market tested message about Jesus Christ. He gets us. Okay. These these are the machinations, Dan was talking about. I'm gonna tell you why I hate this already, but go ahead. Okay. Those behind the, he gets us campaign say they'll spend a $100,000,000

donated by a small group of wealthy anonymous families. I'm like, Hey, it's the guy who runs the hobby lobby and Chick A. Everybody knows that. It's hobby lobby and Chick fil A. On the national launch, putting the campaign in the same financial arena as big name brands like old Navy, TD Ameritrade, and Mercedes Benz. The video ads, some of which are already garnering millions of views on YouTube, feature striking black and white photos and a stirring piano trick made under the direction of Michigan base I don't care. Each had focuses on an aspect of Jesus' earthly experience with which today's the struggle is real crowd might resonate. Jesus was judged too. Jesus had fun with his friends too. Yeah. Is it is that is that what you're feeling, Nathaniel? You feel like I really need a God who's me. Yeah. Who acts and behave. I would like to relate to a God who acts more like me and goes through my struggles. When I say, Lord, your help is the only place I can be. And he's like, I'm just a regular bro. I can't do Jack Squad for you.

The ads direct viewers to hegetsus.com where they can choose four ways to engage. Chat live, text for prayer and positive vibes. Text for prayer and positive vibes. Come on. Hey, everybody. Sign up to small, to join a small group with alpha or click through the bible reading plan on the YouVersion app. Okay. Here's why I hate this. I don't care about the rest of that article. So the problem is is, like, when you chasing the culture around, you're saying the culture sets the standard, and and Jesus plays cleanup. You know what I'm saying? You're, like, saying, how can I get,

like, this this god creator of the universe to fit more in the culture? So one, you'll never win. You're always behind. Right? So, like, you will never succeed in the thing that you're doing, which is trying to make a a god seem relevant to a current culture. You'll always be playing catch up. And two, you're letting the culture set the standard of which of which the god of the universe is now allowed to be spoken about and and and and presented to people. That seems like a huge mistake. So Paul says to to the Greeks, I go to the Greeks. I'm a Greek. And so like, there, there is a notion of, of, or, or Paul Paul in the, in the, in the garden of the unknown gods. Right? Like he's trying to help people relate

concepts that they understand back to understanding who Jesus is. That's a Paul thing. Do you do you not sniff like this? No. Why not? Because it feels like they're they're denigrating to fit in a box. Right? Instead of saying here, this is like this. They're like, they're they're lowering God down to fit in a cheap culture. Mhmm. And I don't think that's that doesn't feel like the same. Okay.

It feels like they took, like, Hebrews four where it says we do not have a, you know, an unsympathizing high priest. Uh-huh. And then they said, you know, let's throw a $100,000,000 at this and, throw out some mope mobsters and, see how that turns out for us. Yeah. And once again, an unsympathetic high priest, like is, is still a high priest. It's still a high priest. Yes. That, yes. That's, that's a good way to summarize. Yeah. Yeah. So that you can get the, Jesus was a refugee bumper sticker. I'm like, okay. See, like we're playing on the plight of sympathetic humanity.

Jesus was judged wrong too. Like, okay. See, I oh, yeah. I I don't I I don't like it. And and, like, I know you have to try to find ways to to talk to people where they're at. Had to use the bathroom too. There's yeah. Right? Like, we feel I feel so close knowing that God went through the same things I did. Like but you're missing the part that, like, he was God chosen to come down and join the filth that we've created. Yeah. Right? Only to fix it as he smiles and prays for the people that are killing him. Yeah. I mean, does it the question is, like, the the whole thing it's trying to hit with people is to say, you're struggling. God understands the 10 Daniel's point to, like, that God that God also struggled when he was in his earthly expression. Okay? But that's not the gospel really. No. You know what I'm saying? Like, I I like you miss the opportunity of, of

it. In fact, it's, it's the bad news kind of like, it's like, it's not the good news, but I'll join you in the bad news. Like it's, again, it's just not quite the same thing. I'm going to call this lame. Yes. Yeah. It's misguided. It feels like it was trumped up by a couple of 65 year old dudes who were like, this will get them. Right. And then they hired young dudes and be like, Hey, Really get with you you fellas, and this and this will talk to them. Right? But look. Once again, it's like, is there anything exciting in me that goes, hey, man. I can't wait to get to know a savior. I don't know much about that part, but I know he also struggled. Right? It's that conversation we had a couple weeks ago where it's like, they don't people aren't interested in saying, like, how do I get out of this broken? How do I stop creating mess? I just wanna name it. Yeah. And then know that other people are going through it too, and then we'll just stay here together. It's like it feels a lot like instead of approaching the world with the kingdom of God, you're just approaching the world with the kingdom of the world. Like, just handing them the same thing. Yeah. God was here too. Okay. He struggled to keep a job too. Yeah. Right. He was homeless as well. Yeah. Yeah.

He was, he was a wandering unemployed carpenter, you know, the feeling. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It just like, I actually, I mean, I'm not against the format. I'm not against the, like you want to go, I don't, I don't, I don't want to over lean on it. Like, think we've traditionally talked about, look, I don't build billboards. Don't convert people to Jesus, like information. Like you are competing for information. I think that's probably all right to, to, to do that.

But, but it's not a, that's not a way to grow the kingdom that requires relationship. And so, but I would, but, so, but I'm not, I don't, I'm not against it. I think any and all is probably okay here, except for you lead with the gospel. If And the thing that you're leading with is two steps back from the gospel, I think you're wasting your time and money. Yes. Because those two steps those those two steps are hard to make up. Right? Because at some point, people are gonna feel like you bait and switch them. People are gonna find that you that that they will believe you lack integrity. You didn't tell them the thing. Yes. That's right. That's right. And I think, I think that there is a notion of and and I think this is a struggle even even with churches. Right? Like, you invite people in, like, you're trying to give them a sense for who God is by also the surrounding, the things that surround them. And there, there are gradual transitions points that say, Hey, can you let's walk one step deeper in the things that we tell the things that you can know and to help introduce you to and understand more about what we're teaching and that kind of stuff. So like, I mean, it's always a process totally,

but like, there's a difference between a process and what feels like obfuscation. Like if they were to come in today, so it's a, you know, dance church. If you come in, like if you're new here, it's not like you're going to end up in some kind of weird rituals that you don't understand. It's welcoming to folk who've not been there before, but it also means, but you're also going to hear the Bible, like taught the Bible's going to be taught and you're probably not going to understand some of it, but like, it's, you're still going to get the full thing that God is speaking that morning. Yeah. We're not gonna, you're not holding it back. Now there are places that are like so secret sensitive that like there's a switch that you gotta pull sometime that feels like a bait switch. Like, it feels like God deceived me to get me rolled into his program. We introduce you to Jesus, the social worker. Oh, by the way, he's the savior. Yeah. That's right. He's also the savior, which should be grand. Like, it it's I think the problem is it masquerades

as meat, like and it's milk. Right? And they're almost, like, selling it like it's meat too. Like, all you need to know is that the god of the universe was also lonely at times. It's like, that is that really all I need to know? Because once again, like, I it's it's feeding into a culture that says, I don't want out of the broke. I just wanna feel comfortable here, which means I just need to be around other people that are broke too, and we can name it. We can call it a thing, and then we can discuss it ad nauseam. But, like, any hint of I want to get out of this or this isn't right is judgmental and wrong. Yeah. And so what we're it's just a I don't think they're intending to, but, like, you're you're accidentally feeding into the thought that says, if you can just name the broken and then find a supportive community that will that will say, yes, I'm broken too. I think That that's enough. I think the

the worst part of it to me is that people are too smart for it. Right? Like, if it's a if it's a if it's a a fish hook, right, or something just made to bait people in, people see that immediately. The fourth wall been gone a while. Yeah. Yeah. And I think, like, I don't know. For me, I'm very much on the side of, like,

scripture is so different than the rest of the world, and Jesus is so different from the rest of the world that you don't need to present him in any other way than he is. It's like in all of the hardness and all of the the terrible thing you'll like terrible things for us to hear, not terrible things that you said, but terrible things that, for us to hear. That's still the character of God. It's like right there. And that's those words bring joy, when will bring joy. And no one else has said those words to you like that strike so close to your core. And I think that if you

if you take that away, take away parts of his character and just trim it away, and then you try to make him more human, like, didn't need to know that he was more human because you already know he's a man who's lived a long, like, thirty so year life

and has probably gone through a whole host of hardships. And that's not even spoken about. Yeah. Yeah. Barely touched on, really. Yeah. Really. Because that's not the important part of the character of god that's shown to you. If it was, we would have And at the end of the day, nobody wants another human as their god. Right? Like, no one wants a buddy that like, I want a god that's omniscient and all knowing and full of grace and can, like, explain to me and get me out of my mess. I don't want someone to just come alongside me and bro it up and be like, Hey, man, we're screwed together. Like, I've been there. I don't need one of those. I need I need the word of God to break me so I know what I need from him. That's right. As opposed to like, yeah, we relate. Your soul yearns for discipline and fatherly interaction and grace and love and acceptance all in things that pull you out of mess. Yeah. That's what's interesting. And I think we we talked about this a few shows back. It was that, like, most people actually don't, they don't disagree that there's that there's a mess here.

They don't they don't actually disagree that they're falling short of something. Now there's various understandings of falling short of what, but like, there's very few people that are out there going, I am killing it across the board. I've not introduced anything negative into the world. The world owes me most humans at their core actually agree to that part. And so you got two options. You either say, all right, well, how do we just mourn with each other about this particular thing? And that's the aim of the billboard campaign. Jesus is the king of the counselors for the ways of which you've got a rough road in the, in the earth that is, or what is the path to reconciliation to this broad, like even nebulous human thing that says, I know I'm short of something, even if I don't know what it is and where, and where Jesus steps in to say, well, here's what it was. Cause I did it. And then here's the way back to what that looks like. And then here's a way to be part of, of reconciling the rest of the world into that thing. Now, which do you want it? Which, which do you want the support group or the, or the rock and reconciliation? But like we, this one aims at the support group and I, and I, and it just, it misses, it misses good news. Yeah.

I hate it, man. Yeah. Yeah. Nathaniel's in, he, he wanted the tax deduction, so he donated to the campaign. Did. I'm one of the families. That's right. I eat Chick fil A. I'm loving it. We hang out all the time. Not on Sundays, though, because that's wrong. We're singing songs. Alright. You've listening to live from the past. Thanks for hanging out with us. Alright. I'm gonna make a quick, just a quick petition. We do have that five hundredth show coming on up, moving on up like the Jeffersons. And so we we would love to hear any feedback you have that we might, might be able to include in in just, I don't know, just as we as we roll up the show and celebrate 500 episodes, even if it's just we showed up. It's 500 birthdays.

Everyone claps when it's your birthday, even if you had a crappy year. And so that could be us pretty much the whole run of the show. If you'd like to be part of that, you can use the complaint line, (515) 517-0085, and you can send us a nice text. That'd be great. You wanna leave us a voice mail, that'd be fantastic. You wanna create a series of animated Giffers in in honor of of Mike, I think you can do that too. By the way, not near enough you voted in whether the Mike is a vest man a poll on the Instagram and Facebook, and so I need you to come back to that. He's still wearing that vest. I saw it on him today. It's over there. And so for for lack of your input, the man continues to bull charge into the world. And so I I want I just want you to consider that, like, you you your laziness in this area is causing a real problem. Yeah. It's causing me to stumble, really. Yeah. I'm just a Timothy. I need a Paul.

Stop saying things like that. Okay. Shoot. Mike, you got by me, but like, like a minute. Okay. You wanna do dear life from the path? Yeah. Let's do one. Okay. Here we we're gonna do something else. Okay. Here we go. Dear. Hey, wait a minute. Yeah. Nevermind. Okay. We don't have to do dear life in the past. My hook? Uh-huh. No. No. It's gonna it's gonna have to wait. 11. We don't have time for you. Things things have already moved on. Wow. This one's a great one. I don't know if it's great. I see. And now for America's fastest growing game show,

secular or solid one. Okay. You've wandered into America's fastest growing Asterix, totally unproven Internet game show, secular

versus Solomon. I'm very excited to be here, Ben. That's great. And so and it reminded you of the tone of the game. I'm gonna give you a proverb, a bit of wisdom, and you're gonna tell me whether it's secular or Solomon. And if it's a secular, we need to know where this these proverbs are originating from. And so you're gonna tell me the country of origin. Mike will keep the score and until say who wins at the end. I'm on the honor system. Okay. Mike, are you playing? Yeah. Okay. Then you gotta get it. You can't look at my screen. I'm I'm looking at this toilet paper. What? The the whole game? Yeah. Yeah. I was just gonna stare at it. In fact, if you have a marker, I could draw a face on it. That would make it easier. Do you have a marker? No, I don't have a marker. Okay. Here we go. You guys ready? Yeah. Ready. All right. We're gonna start with Dan secular versus Solomon.

A drowning man is not troubled by rain. A drowning man is not troubled by rain. That that sounds awfully secular. And where would we worry about rain and drowning drowning man is not great. I can't think of anything insensitive to say,

it's not a country. Look at this. Hey, Keep an eye on him. Sorry. I'm sorry. Country of origin. It's a country. This this this this comes straight out of Egypt. Okay. Dan says Egypt. Gavin, secular Solomon. Okay. The drowning man is not troubled by rain. Okay.

Well, it's I think it's definitely secular. K. I don't remember reading that. Oh, I see. Tell me scripture if you've read it. Yeah. That's that's bold. This is gonna be real. I've read Proverbs, probably the only book I've ever read in all of scripture, just back to back over and over and over again. But I'm gonna say that's I'm gonna say that's, let's say that's Swedish. Okay. It's from the Swedes, Nathaniel.

I also am gonna hop on the bandwagon and say it's secular, and I'm gonna say Samoa. K. American Samoa? Yes. That's a terrible gift. Alright. You don't think the Samoans have wisdom? Not not in this area. No. I'm gonna say secular. And let me confirm with my toilet paper buddy. He believes it is,

Ireland. K. Toilet paper is a magic eight ball. Secular Solomon, a drowning man is not troubled by rain is indeed secular Iran. Yeah. Uh-huh. Ireland. No. Nope. Everyone's What's Iran, though? They're in the middle of a desert.

Okay. Still have bodies of water. Barely. Yeah. They're familiar with drowns. Secular or Solomon, anxiety in a man's heart weighs him down, but a good word makes him glad. Gavin. Oh, that's from I think that is from Solomon. Gavin's in from Solomon. You wanna make a bold guess on chapter? No. No. Okay. So I

would only make myself, make a fool of myself there. Humility. That's the way to live. Draw the line there. Yeah. That's all right. And Nathaniel's secular Solomon, Solomon, Mike,

please reread it anxiety in a man's heart weighs him down, but a good word makes him glad. Yeah. That's Solomon. Okay. Dan. Yeah. Yeah. We're going to go Solomon and I'm going to go, Proverbs fourteen eight. Oh, Dan is going all in with the biodegradable

undershorts. He's jumping in the pool. Alright. Let's see. Anxiety man's heart weighs him down, but a good word makes him glad. It is indeed Solomon, Proverbs twelve twenty five. Oh, so close. That's, price is right rules. You were over. Man. Alright. Secular Solomon, Nathaniel,

a slack hand causes poverty, but the hand of the diligent makes rich. I think that's Solomon. K. Mike, I'm gonna say that is also Solomon, and I'm gonna give a guess at Proverbs one. Proverbs one. Dan. Yeah. I'm gonna go Solomon. I think a Proverbs six because it goes to, you know, go to the antel sluggard. That's all that context. I'll I'll say, yeah, it's Solomon. Proverbs six. I'm gonna go, for seven. Dan says related to the sluggard passages, Gavin. It's Solomon. K. He's in for Solomon. A slack hand causes poverty, but the hand of the diligent makes rich.

It is Solomon Proverbs ten four. Good buddy. Yeah. That's, I didn't go over. I win. It's, 15 points to me. Oh, yeah. If you choose one, I think you're probably Ain't no one was willing to to slide in there at two. So 1.2. Mike takes it. Secular or Solomon, Nathaniel. A monkey never thinks her baby's ugly. A monkey never thinks her baby's ugly. Secular or Solomon? I'm gonna go secular, and I'm gonna go,

Indonesia. Indonesian, Mike. I'm gonna go secular, and I feel like that is a

from The Congo, which I don't know what country The Congo's in. So instead, I'm gonna guess Sudan. Darn. Fair enough. Dan Hudson, a monkey never thinks her baby's ugly. Yeah. That that is, that is secular in Uganda. In Uganda. Gavin. It's secular. I'm gonna say India. Could be India. A monkey never thinks her baby is ugly. Secular Haiti. Oh, yeah. Haiti. Haiti. Closer to home. Yep. Alright. Quick catch up on the score. Dan's has 15 points. Gavin has four.

Nathaniel's negative two, and Mike is in the lead at 43. Wow. It's a it's a You guys still have a chance to catch up. You got this. The numbers are all over the board, man. You guys have really created some, drama. The scoring system is very complicated. Here we go. Secular or Solomon, starting with Mike. Hunger is the best sauce. Look that guy.

Yeah. That's pretty good. Okay. Hunger is the best sauce. That is secular, and that feels like it came from in Istanbul, not Constantinople.

I think I think that's a guy Fiery quote. Right? I'm not afraid of guy Fiery. It's a it's okay. Wait a minute. Guy Fiery like a superhero or Guy Fiery? Fiery. The guy that that cooks things. Istanbul dot Constantinople is a tune. Yeah. Is that like Because they changed the name. And right. Right. But was about the, yeah, it's about the renaming of the capital of the area. So you're talking Turkey. You're in modern day Turkey. Is it Istanbul or in it?

It's yes. It's Istanbul now. Okay. And it's not Constantinople. That's exactly what I said. Yes. But that's not a country. It's close to a country. No. It's in a country. Turkey. Secular. Okay. Dan, why, why, why are we saying hunger is the best sauce? Well, because Ray Kroc, said that as he was making chicken McNuggets for McDonald's. So I'm going to say it's a secular America. Okay. Dan says it's from America. Gavin hunger is the best sauce. Also say it's from America, secular America.

I'm going go secular and this feels like eastern blocker to me. Okay. So I'm gonna go Czech Republic. K. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Old move. Czech very few proverbs come from the Czech Republic. Hunger is the best sauce. It is indeed secular, and it's ancient America. It's Rome. It's from Rome. That's yeah. That's right by Turkey, ain't it? Okay. But you don't have it right. You, first of all, gave a city, a contentious city.

And now you're going with geographic. Alright. I'm I'm gonna take less points on that. Is that what you're saying? Yes. Okay. Done. Alright. Secular or Solomon, whoever walks in integrity walks securely, but he who makes his ways crooked will be found out Dan Hudson. Yeah. That's a, that's a Solomon, a president Biden,

Solomon. Oh, wait, not quote from Mr. Biden. What neither is Mr. Biden. Yeah. The ESV was off the Tyndale, Dan. That's, it's unaware of Biden. Yeah. We're gonna we're gonna, Solomon. Solomon, Gavin, whoever walks in integrity walks securely, but he who makes his ways crooked will be found out. Yeah. That's Solomon, but I'm really not not very sorted out with what it is. I know the,

I know the first chapter, your beginning of wisdom is fear God, but I don't really know the rest. How it split up sixteen eight. Hey, Gavin goes, he doesn't think that answer is very trustworthy. Look like a tree and a serpent right now, Dan. Don't you go and pick one?

It'll be fine. Did did God really say sixteen eight? Nathaniel. Solomon, chapter one. Mike. I still get a chance to go. Solomon chapter two. Yeah. Nathaniel, that's rough. There you go. I didn't think it through.

Whoever walks in integrity walks securely, but he who makes his ways crooked will be found out. It is indeed Solomon Proverbs ten nine. That was a double bonus. Dang. I'm really on fire tonight. You hit the double jeopardy on the double? The points is is really confusing. Alright. Here we go. Gavin, whoever despises his neighbor is a sinner,

but blessed is he who is generous to the poor. Yeah. Oh, that is Solomon. I'm not gonna be able to give you a chapter on any of these. Yeah. Yeah. You can just bail on it. Yeah. You don't, yeah, you don't have to justify it. That's just extra credit. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Nathaniel. I'm gonna go Solomon. And I think it's, somewhere in Ecclesiastes. Okay. Ecclesiastes, Solomon, Mike, you're trying to throw us off here. No, that's the cloak and dagger. That's a secular Poland.

Okay. Dan Hudson, whoever despises his neighbor as a sinner, but blessed is he who is generous to the poor. Yeah. I'm gonna I'm gonna call that Solomon and, that sure that sure smells like chapter eight. Okay. Dan says it stinks of a chapter eight. Mike is going out on a limb with secular. One of these has gotta be a gotta be a roast about whoever despises his neighbor as a sinner, but blessed is he who is generous to the poor. Solomon fourteen twenty one. Proverbs fourteen twenty one. Poland has ruined me again. Here we go. A few more left. Nathaniel, the bear and the bear hunter have different opinions. The bear and the bear hunter have different opinions, secular or Solomon? I'm gonna go

secular, and I'm gonna go Russia. Secular Russia. Mike, I'm also going to go secular and it does feel over in that area. So, Czech Republic, not the Czech Republic for sure. Switzerland,

Switzerland. Okay. Dan Hudson. That is secular and it is just north of the Canadian, American border. So Canada is in Canada. Hey, you guys can't test my geography like this with these, but it's Minnesota bears problem up there. Think, I think it's definitely secular, but

I don't know. I feel feels wrong to say Russia because it's not the only country with bears in it and life where they have to deal with bears. What a stereotypical jerk you are. Gamma, racist. Natalia, you can't be trusted. I'm gonna go with Russia because I think that's what you picked. Oh, he's trying to read He's mind game. He's mind messing with me. Yeah. He's trying to look inside my thoughts just like Russia would do. I

feel it. I've been Putin. Putin's been following all of this. Okay. The bear and the bear hunter have different opinions that is indeed secular Norway. Norway. Mike was super close. That's second Canada. If that's known colloquially as second Canada.

Here we go. Secular or Solomon. Slipper ground slippery ground does not recognize a king. Slippery ground does not recognize a king. Secular Solomon Mike. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. I'm gonna say Solomon don't say no word slippery.

That ain't right. I'm gonna go with secular and, somewhere in South America. We're gonna go with Jamaica. Don't look at me. Yeah. Move on. Let's How many Jamaican kings do you know? Not anymore. That's slippery down there.

Dad dad Hudson's slippery ground does not recognize the king. Yeah. We're going, secular and it is clearly France. Definitely France. I forgot even France existed. It's a France carnival. It's a French problem. It's because the king slipped. There are very few monarchs today because of this ground problem. Gavin. Okay. Yep. That's secular. I'm gonna call, it's I'm gonna say it's European. Let let's go British even.

Okay. He's going with England. Yeah. England. Monarch sustains. Yeah. Sure footedness. How it happens. Victoria wore sneakers. Nathaniel. I'm going to go secular and I'm going to go Portugal.

Take the Portugal. Alright. Slippery ground does not recognize a king secular Kenya. Boy, once again, Mike's on fire. What did I say? Jamaica. Yeah. Think it's still on the other side of the world there. You're also in south of my right now. Alright. Here we go. Your education to me.

Let's see. Where did I where did I start this at here? No. You're done. You got one more. Yeah. I got one more. Okay. Here we go. Secular Solomon back to Dan. Yeah. Anxiety in a man's heart weighs him down, but a good word makes him glad. You already did that one. What? What was that? Didn't you already have an anxiety in the heart at the top? Yeah. I think we already did that one. Oh, yeah. Okay. I think we're done. That's it. Yeah. I wrote the same one down twice. Yeah. Shoot. Okay, Mike. What's what how did the scores end up? Okay. From well, we'll start at the bottom. Coming in dead last was Nathaniel

with three. And then Everybody's in the positive, though. What's that? Everybody's in the positive? Yeah. He redeemed himself. What a heck of a day. Yeah. Dan had four and a half. He got a half point for that second Canada remark. That was fantastic. Gavin came in with a score of 36 points, which is pretty good for your first time here. Yeah. And I had a 117. Wow. Wow. Well, I'm much as hard to defeat. Yeah. It's the troubles. I'm the I I've not lost this game, to be honest with you. Yeah. I you know, I wonder how in what ways it's America's fastest growing Internet game show given its difficulty. Yeah. And I think that's why it's like people just they aspire to be good at it. You know, a good scorekeeper is hard to beat. That's what I'm saying. This is why I'm always the banker at monopoly as well. And I was with that game too. Yeah. Yeah. That's good to know. Alright. Hey, if you look, let's say you love that game. You can, catch past episodes of secular versus Solomon by going to youtube.com backslash live from the path and just search secular versus Solomon, or you can go to the website, live from thepath.org.

There's a search box there too. Just, I just type in secular. It'll get you pretty close, and you can watch some, past episodes of which we've, played that game and, work up your knowledge and see how you're doing. Alright. Let's give some advice, Mike. Here we go. Dear life from the past, my husband is 38. I am 36. We have been together for thirteen years, married for eleven. We never wanted children, although we have some pets. My problem is we fall into a parent child relationship where I'm starting to feel like the child. He enables me to the point that if I'm the least bit distressed, I e, doing dishes and getting frustrated because they are a lot, he takes over what I'm doing. He even tucks me into bed and kisses me goodnight, turns off the light, and closes the door. Because of our work schedules, we sleep at different times. Okay. I find this strange. I mean, it kinda makes sense if you work on your schedules. Based upon your explanation. I'm not sure where the mystery is coming in. Continuing.

I've mentioned it to him before, and it hurt his feelings. I love him dearly, but seeing him as my, quote, parent is starting to make it hard for me to love him as my husband. I've asked him to go to therapy. Wow. But he is unwilling. I am very blunt when it comes to saying things, and it generally triggers arguments. How can I tell them all this bothers me without starting a huge fight? Yeah. Most ladies are sick and tired of dudes that love them and put them to bed at night and tuck them in, close the door, help them when they say they are frustrated. This guy sounds like a real turd. This is a complete opposite of the problem that I expected in this parent child relationship thing. I don't know how you don't have a a boot square in this man's took us. I mean, I just think I'm out the door right now. Like, now I, his, his, his downfall here is that like, if his wife does not want to be treated this way,

this, you know, there was, I was listening to what I was clearing out some back episodes. So we're, we're, we're almost back to all the episodes available back to 2019. Okay. And what there was a similar advice where like this guy, he's like 34 years old. He's like, I always, I love the, the, all the ladies I date and like, I provide them support. Like, if they want to go out with the ladies, I'm great. And if we're, well, they want to go out with me, no problem, ladies. I'm paying like, he just seemed like a real pansy. Yeah. This guy. And, but like, it was the same rough source, which is you have an idea of how you think people want to be treated. And when they tell you, this is something I value and you ignore it, then, yes, you're gonna have this problem. Yeah. So, like, you you cannot you cannot love people only on your perception of what they want. Like, part of that relationship is to listen. If she goes, hey. I wanna I don't wanna go. Actually, even the thing where it says, hey. We we go to bed at different times because we work different schedules. Like, this is your marriage. If this is important, someone needs to change jobs. Yeah. You know saying? Like, like, are you just trying to keep the bills paid? Are you trying to nurture and grow relationships? And so, like, sometimes you have to sacrifice in that way totally. But, like, if it's from if it's from this relationship perspective, if your wife goes, this isn't working for me, then something needs to change. And so maybe the strong for her, like, what you're trying to communicate is like, I need you to listen to me. The failure. It didn't sound like she wanted, like, a different sleep sleeping schedule, though. It sounded like she just didn't wanna be tucked in. Okay. Well, get in. You should just be listening to her. Hey. I don't I don't care for this. Go to bed, woman. I just, I mean Out of here. This is not the same problem most ladies are getting. Right? This is why this is difficult. It's people are like, I just want I mean, he has to go from, like, hey. My wife's going to bed. I'm gonna be the last thing she sees. I'm gonna make her comfortable. Tell her I love her, and then go head out because I'm gonna him for this. Right? And, like, I and instead,

like, it appears that she wants, I'm going to bed. Whatever, woman. I'm playing Fortnite. Don't don't run the door heavy. Yeah. I I'm busy. Yeah. She should play the lottery, this woman. I okay. I think there's a couple things that need to happen here. There's one you're right. Like like, love languages are a thing. Right? Like and so loving people in a way that they feel loved is what actually matters. Like, your version of love, if that's not how the other one feels it, then, like, it's wasted almost. You know? So, like and I think people can take you in and say, look. I can tell that you're trying to love me well. It's just not nailing it. Right? So I think we can make some adjustments there because there's some there's some inherent selfishness if you say you only receive love in the way that I provide it. Right? And that's where you get masculine overseers and real jerk balls. Right? So but then on the other hand, it might be helpful to, like, pull out of your situation real a little bit and look around and be like, you know,

actually, I'm I'm kinda getting in the weeds here on things that I'm upset about. Like, when there's a lot of dishes and I'm halfway through and I'm just starting to get mad and my jerk husband comes over and says, I'll take care of the rest of these. Wow. I mean, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If, if there was some, like, just take, look back at all these things and like, with try to clear your mind a bit and say, is there any of this I can be thankful for? Like, have some gratitude and go and then reframe the situation. Actually, if you tell the story as if it happened to someone else and not to you, it does tend to frame it better. Like the way that you just did, it would be hard for her to criticize someone else's husband, But like we've got, we've we're we build up things into our own relationships and we care like, marriages are the worst, man. Like, you put we pile in all the experiences we have with someone and then you just spray them around like a seat, like a grass spreader. And they, they end up encroaching on all kinds of situations that they don't belong in. And it colors all the things that happen. Like there's some problem that that marriage has. It's not the dishes. I don't think it's anything they actually said, honestly. I want, I wonder if she's bored. I mean, like, like, I mean, they've been married about fourteen years now or together anyway. That's when it happens, Dan. She wants to, I mean, like, I like, what is,

what is the tucking in look like? She feels like as a father, like a kiss on the forehead, you know, or, I mean, I mean, I was Is he being too grandfatherly or something? That's what I'm trying to figure out. She wants some more zip in her life. Like, if you're gonna put bed, you like passion. Right? It feels like care. Yes. Like care. That actually, that was the thing that we we came to in that other advice, which is there's a difference between care and like, I'm in a mutual relationship of which we desire each other, which is different than, hi. I just make, again, make sure the bills are paid and I make sure you're comfortable. Like, Hey, roomy friends can be. Exactly. Yeah. Yes. That's right. That's right. Okay. So how do they, they zip? They need to zip it up as an unmarried young man. I can say very clearly

no bedtimes. Right? That's what you want. No bedtimes. All the candy you could ever want. Yeah. Right. And then probably no vegetables.

Probably a third. These are solid. What what's that? What? No bed what does that mean? No bedtimes. This is an outline for a book. Like, you don't you don't have he he shouldn't be putting her to bed because she doesn't need a bedtime. She's a grown woman. That's it. She's grown. She's tired. Those the three constraints that make you feel like a child. Right? Or, like, you don't get to control what you eat. You don't get to control when you get to go to bed. Yep. And then there's probably a third one. Do we think that he's putting her to sleep like, hey, babe. It's time for you to go to bed. I think she would be able go. It's not that time, babe. She doesn't have kind of moist dishes. I gotta go to bed. I gotta work up early. I don't know what you guys are coming from here. I like going to sleep. I enjoy it. I find it a big victory as an adult. I'm going to bed directly.

Yeah. Okay. But no but he's noted, like, there's just something in here about where it feels like he's trying to be caring. It's not coming in the way that he wants. And I think to Dan's point, something about that relationship doesn't feel like it's mutual and exciting. She, she just feels taken care of. And that's, and that, again, there's so many dudes that don't meet a good standard here. This is hard to critique this gentleman. However, like you gotta get your passion, right? You gotta want to be in a relationship with someone. He should pick up what she's putting down there. Right? I just like, Hey, don't do this. What do you mean by that? If he doesn't get it, he can ask the question. What do you, what are you wanting? Because I'm kind of, you know, dense and I'm a guy, I'm a dude. There's a great idea. Ask her like, not only what, like, thank you. What do you mean by that? What do you want? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

This is a good idea. Because I think I'm being really, you know, a gentleman there. And so the advice to her then is like, again, you're with a guy who thinks he's nailing it and doesn't, is offended when you, when you say that he's not, because frankly, he, it feels like he should be like the things he's doing. He thinks she's not honest. Yes. It's like that I'm doing what every dream. This is what every woman dreams for. Yes. Yes. Yeah. And, and, and actually maybe to this, to that point mistakenly, but it's all the all the the what you see in your current relationship of a bum of a husband. And you're like, there's a dude out there that will dote on me. Yeah. And this gal's in that situation. She's like, it's terrible. I don't want to be doted upon all the time. Right? Motorcycle and a leather jacket. Yeah. Yeah. So so my advice to her then is, like, you need to be very clear with him. Like, he's got some presumptions. I think you need to be kind, know that he's trying his best, and and you should be thankful for a man who's trying his best, especially in the ways that he's trying, but you need to help him. And you need to help him by saying by being very clear, not offhanded, not like shallow questions. Read between the line. No. Yeah. We don't get hints. Go after it. It would be very tough if he's not capable of doing anything else. Right? Like, even if he when you ask, like, if you're directly, you know, straight with your husband and say, I feel love in this way, and I need you to not do this. Right? Like, there's just, like, he just feels like the guy that cannot let you sit there and struggle with the dishes. Yeah. Like, he would literally have to take up smoking and go outside and ignore what's happening for him to not try to come in and help. And so, like, that it might be more difficult. I thought I guess all I'm saying is try to give the man some grace. Yeah. I think he's airing on the side of goodness and kindness. And so, like, asking him to do that in less quantity, it just might be difficult for him. You know? It takes some time. It'll be a hard change.

Okay. Anybody else? Moving on. Nathaniel heard that bedtime thing. He's like, you know, I could take a few winks myself. Yep. What are we waiting for? Secular's response is, it's interesting the way different people can view the same situation. From my perspective, you married a man who adores you and wants to help when he sees you are frustrated with something. Because you sleep separately, he comes in the bedroom to kiss you goodnight because he loves his wife. That this triggers a negative reaction surprises me. Many women, including me, would be thrilled. However, because of his demonstrations of affection bother you, choose a time when you can have a calm discussion and explain to him how these gestures affect you. It also might be worth your while to schedule a session or two with a licensed psychotherapist to give you some insight about why you react so negatively toward your husband's loving gestures that you would write me about it. Is a psychotherapist different than a counselor?

I think they can also prescribe. I was wondering they do. Yeah. For most things, take a pills. Sure she's saying some drugs, Medicaid my, I did. Do you see her out? Mr. Secular. Like I would be thrilled. My man did this. Here's my number. Mr. Secular is terrible. I got married to Peter Fonda and like I wanted some tucking in.

How old that was unusual. Yeah. That was, that's a weird problem. Okay. Mike, we got one more. Yeah. Okay. I'm fine. Very good one. I don't know. That was, that was a good one. Hey, you know what? That's been an odd run though. I feel like over the last few months, we've seen an increasing number of ladies who are dissatisfied

with fellows where on the outside you'd go what now? Like I've met fellows then, and then they stink at some of these things and and and these dissatisfaction with that has been an odd swing over the last few months. Yeah. I agree. Okay. Here we go. Yeah. Most it's still marriage stuff. They're alive from the path. My wife and I have assisted a local youngster who was abandoned at birth and bounced through foster care. We helped him finish college and start his first job. Here's the problem. Quote Samuel has become engaged to an attractive professional woman my wife and I both like. However, he just told us she insists upon bringing her parents on the honeymoon.

Her parents feel strongly that they should go even to the extent of arguing with Samuel about it. I've never heard of anything like this. His fiance is 28 years old. I'm very wary about it. What advice would you give him? I don't, I don't follow it. Like, I don't understand the what's happening. There's nothing they can do. Ms Yeah. Say it maybe say it again. Did everyone else get you? Like, I just I'm not following the They grew up. He's getting married. Yeah. The, the fiance, the woman's parents want to come on the honeymoon. Yeah. Oh, and they're like, but they have nothing. What can they, they have no authority there. They're not parents. They're not even foster parents. Are they? They just helped. So when the, but then I think I got thrown off and say the, this person that we both like,

it's just like, it's a, the lady is a they're saying we liked the fiance. Okay. I got caught up that this was more nefarious than what I'm good. You're sick. Yeah. That's right. I'm a bit lost here. Aren't they both, like, adults? They get to choose what they wanna do. Yeah. But their parents totally wanna go. Yeah. Like, well into adulthood. Mean No. 28. They're gonna be like but things are gonna be super weird. Like, I mean, as a dude getting ready to marry a woman, like, you have a certain

like, not trying to cause a bunch of trouble over at her place and all the and the parents are being overbearing and weird, and you're like, oh. That that's a warning flag for real. I mean But, like, if the what if the wife's like, yeah. Yeah, I would, I would like it if they came. I would also feel weird about that. That's going to stop two weeks later when the honeymoon's over, however long they're, mean, it's going to be happening in five years and ten years and time to cut it. You totally bail like, look, can't do this. Yeah. I mean, that's a, that's a, that's a pretty big red flag. What did we get a sense then that the, the lady's okay with it or we don't know. It didn't say, I thought it sounded like she was good for it. She must be family trip to Cabo. The non related people are the only ones fighting it. Yeah. So, yeah, I guess like standardly, would say, look, this is if it's your side of the family causing the problem, need to shut them down. Yeah. It's yeah. It is the wife's thing to deal with blood deals with blood. Yeah. That's right. Because, because even if the non, even if the, the husband to be does it,

people who are, who are not, who are in laws constantly believe, well, they're just being manipulated. So like, I mean, you just, you, you solve all kinds of problems by blood dealing with blood so that there's no risk of confusion and nefarious beliefs. Yeah. So I think the wife needs to go and needs to take care of this and needs to, this is a no, this is a whole, it's a solid no. Yeah. But if she won't, that, that he needs to reconsider the whole thing. I'm being honest that rarely say that, but I would say we need to like at least something like we need to sort this out before we say yes, because this is a, yeah, you're right. Dad, it feels like it's a, this is a, this is the type of thing that's a deal breaker. I mean, unless you want sixty years of pain. Yeah. Yes. This is the best part of the relationship. You're all happy. Yeah. Hey, we're going to get married. Oh, let's go on the honeymoon. It's like, you're going to want to be in the birth room. They're going to be, I mean, they're to, they're going want to be everywhere. That's true. And like, even if she's a really good woman and you love her a whole lot, like you're, you're signing up for fifty years of hard labor. You got, you got an, you are always the outsider creeping in there so hard. Yeah. That's rough living. Yeah.

Secular says, unless Samuel and his fiancee have been living together for a long time and he's very close to her family, the advice I would give him would be to have plenty of premarital counseling before he marches down the aisle. There's likely more than one issue that should be ironed out before any vows are exchanged and would help to avert disagreements that could cause problems after the wedding. That's not a bad, like, a bad thought that, like, we're coming at it from a healthy relationship. Right? But, like, if they've been living together as if they've been married for, like, four years, now they're technically just walking through a ceremony. Yeah. You know? Like, I I you know, it might not as be this horrible situation as it sounds like. But, like, if it this is your obviously, if you've been courting correctly and and, you know, this is what your marriage is starting to look like, you're starting your brand new life after this honeymoon, you don't want no you don't want these folks anywhere near this. Lying in the sand for me, dad. I Don't you think? I I had I had two daughters. Right? I have two daughters. Where I did not want to be in their lives was on their honeymoons. Yes. Both of them had married. It's like, yeah, I know what's going on. I'm out. I'm out. I handed you off. I don't want to know anything else. That's right. Yeah. That's just, Oh no. Yeah. I mean, maybe if you're taking like a two week honeymoon and you invite them to come out the second week to enjoy time with you or something, maybe the second week. Yeah. But like, yeah, that's bonding time. That's a couple of like, assuming they haven't been together,

learning what it's like to, Hey, this is the new us, you know, it's exciting and new and, and it's wonderful. I mean, maybe they had a Groupon. Maybe it is like, like this is what you would think of. Wouldn't it? You're such a cheapskate, Nathaniel. Maybe they found some deal. Like, you know, they've been living together and like, well, if we bring mom and pop, you know, we get a They're paying off. They'll pay for half of it. Yeah. Like, I found this guy who flies down there named Manuel. Borough Airlines. I can't believe the price savings. Alright. You've been listening to live at the path. Thank you so much for hanging out with us tonight. We really do appreciate it. Big thanks to Gavin. Thanks for joining us tonight, buddy. Appreciate it. Yeah. Thanks for letting me join you. Yep. It was fun. You bet. If you got any feedback for us, you can leave us that live from the Path complaint line. (515) 517-0085. Call or text. I do check that every so often, and so we look forward to hearing from you. In the meantime, be faithful in the means. God will handle the ends. You've been listening to live from the Path.