Live From The Path · Season 2023, Episode 10
Regrets
Topics covered
- Show open banter — Cold open, episode open, and docket preview banter. ≈ 0:01
- On-air regrets retrospective — Things the hosts regret saying over the show's first ten years, prompted by the 500th episode. ≈ 2:29
- YouTube habits and media diet — How much YouTube the hosts watch, what they watch, and a listener workout-video challenge. ≈ 12:29
- Travel and everyday-life anecdotes — Shoes and slippers debate plus a story of hand-carrying cash to a Zimbabwe orphanage. ≈ 17:44
- Engaging theology you disagree with — How to talk with someone who reads the Bible with sound method but reaches opposite conclusions. ≈ 22:05
- Biblical hermeneutics — Principles for reading Scripture rightly: context, proof texts, the macro view, and church history. ≈ 22:05
- Identity in Christ vs. self-defined identity — Receiving identity from Scripture rather than reading a self-made identity into it. ≈ 45:01
- Spiritual disciplines and intentional living — Whether spiritual disciplines can hold without a disciplined life, and the chains-versus-freedom frame. ≈ 50:47
- Marriage, trust, and transparency — A former 'player' whose wife demands a play-by-play, and the case for radical transparency. ≈ 1:10:05
- Parenting adult children — A mother's concern about her daughter's marriage plans and whether speaking up is her place. ≈ 1:15:40
- Health, habits, and their deeper roots — Weight gain and unhealthy habits as possible symptoms of deeper struggles, and what discipline reveals about what you care about. ≈ 1:15:40
- Show close — Complaint line details and the show sign-off. ≈ 1:31:02
Segments
- Cold open and the impression gag 0:01–1:51
The produced opening voiceover plays ('Live from the Pathway Studios in Johnston proper'). In the studio the hosts riff on an impression bit: one voice declines to take part, one of the other voices performs it, and the others joke about dubbing Pat Robertson doing it on the 700 Club. One host observes that another is not good at impressions, whatever the nationality being attempted.
- Episode open: a warning to first-time listeners 1:52–2:28
A host opens the show as episode 502 and jokes that anyone listening for the first time should stop immediately, go back to episode one, and work forward rather than spoiling landmark finales the way jumping to a final television episode would. He notes the earliest episodes may no longer be on the podcast feed and gives the show email for listeners who need them.
- Things the hosts regret saying on the air 2:29–11:33
Prompted by the recent 500th episode, the hosts trade things they regret saying over the show's first ten years: a post-Katrina comment framing the hurricane as judgment on New Orleans; an early heated on-air argument that sounded like a genuine fight; one host's repeated use of a mild vulgarity he now calls unnecessary; a running 'smelly senator' gag aimed at a senate candidate; ethnicity-based impressions; a comment about Mary that drew YouTube complaints; and calling God 'homeboy' as a hill to die on. The conversation turns reflective about how much unedited audio exists from the early two-hour internet-radio days, and a host invites listeners to report offenses on the complaint line. It closes with season-numbering jokes and a gag about killing off one of the voices as a season finale.
- Docket: a YouTube find, spiritual disciplines, news, and advice 11:34–12:29
A host previews the rest of the show: one host's YouTube find to discuss, another host's drop-in question on spiritual disciplines, Christian news articles they may or may not reach, and listener advice letters to close.
- YouTube habits and the workout-video challenge 12:29–17:42
The hosts compare weekly YouTube hours: long-form background content while doing dishes, sermons, workout videos, and fix-it searches (one host bailed on a fifteen-minute moped carburetor video after finding the fifteen seconds he needed). One host recounts trying a yoga video whose instructor told him to greet his hamstrings. They issue a listener challenge: text the complaint line with a YouTube workout video and one host will attempt the first fifteen minutes on camera.
- Shoes, slippers, and a hundred thousand dollars in cash 17:44–22:04
A meandering stretch: knockoff slip-on shoes and the vulnerability of unstructured footwear, whether flip-flops or slides are ever acceptable outdoors, and one host's story of flying to Zimbabwe in slippers, being mistaken for wealthy by a UK rapper in the extra-legroom seats, and hand-carrying a declared $100,000 in cash to an orphanage because wiring it would have cost more.
- A YouTube 'last meals' show and a hard question 22:05–26:00
One host describes a popular YouTube cooking channel's 'last meals' series, in which celebrities discuss what they would eat before dying and field questions about death and the afterlife. A recent guest identified as an avid Bible-reading Christian while openly gay and disbelieving in heaven and hell, using sound interpretive moves — context, culture, original language — to reach opposite conclusions. The host asks the table: how do you talk with someone like that, who claims the same method you do?
- Starting points: proof texts and what 'daily reading' means 26:01–30:36
The hosts offer first moves for the conversation: start with the other person's proof texts, since everyone has them; ask what 'I read the Bible every day' actually looks like, since a daily verse text is not the same as reading; ask how they handle passages they do not understand; and watch for the error of using one agreeable text to filter the rest of the Bible instead of letting Scripture interpret Scripture. One voice notes that everybody's theology is wrong somewhere and none of us know exactly where.
- Context illuminates: the macro view, church history, and 'how do you know' 30:37–45:00
The discussion deepens: backing out for context illuminates a text rather than absorbing or eliminating it; 'God is love' cannot be used to erase specific things God said, which forces the question of what love means; Jesus's own macro view was 'the law and the prophets,' which includes specific laws; two thousand years of church history weigh against novel readings nobody before considered; and hard clarity questions — which parts are accurate, how do you know something isn't literal, did a church council alter the text — expose a low view of God's ability to preserve his word. A tangent covers paraphrase translations, memorizing passages in archaic language, and how words like 'enemy' and 'grace' land differently today.
- 'Moses was bicultural like me': reading yourself into the text 45:01–50:47
A host cites a Christianity Today piece titled 'Moses was bicultural like me' to name a pattern: readers hunting the text for affirmation of a self-made identity rather than receiving the identity Scripture gives — 'you are my son, you are my daughter.' The same move appears in 'Jesus was a refugee' rhetoric, which lifts the flight to Egypt out of its context (the threat under Herod) to serve a cause. Pastors who pick a text and then preach whatever they wanted are named as the same error in blander form. The punchline the table lands on: Scripture defines who you are; you don't go to Scripture to ratify an identity you or the world already made.
- Can you have spiritual disciplines without a disciplined life? 50:47–59:28
A host poses the episode's second big question: after noticing that fasting reorganizes his whole life toward intentionality — while his Bible reading and prayer stay undisciplined alongside undisciplined eating and drinking — he wonders whether compartmentalized discipline can hold long-term. The table largely agrees the correlation is real, with disciplined-in-one-area tending to mean disciplined across the board; notes that fifteen minutes of daily reading for twenty years beats hot-and-cold intensity; and observes that undisciplined living makes every interruption an irritant, while interruptions during intentional time barely register.
- Chains, masters, and the cornfield 59:28–1:10:05
The disciplines conversation turns to bondage and freedom: technology is a chain when it uses you and a tool when you use it; a thousand unintentional hours can make you an expert in things like auction sites and strangers' life updates; what you are disciplined in mirrors what you actually care about; 'you can't have two masters'; the classic disciplines are deliberately uncomfortable acts against nature; a story about finding your way out of a cornfield by just keeping forward instead of wandering in circles; and the warning not to trade a grimy chain for a shiny one like health or exercise. God's invitation is framed as the only mastery that is actually freedom — voluntarily following the King, chained by nothing.
- Dear LFTP: the reformed player and the play-by-play 1:10:05–1:15:39
A listener writes that his wife demands a play-by-play every time he leaves the house, noting he used to be 'a player' but age caught up with him. The hosts side with the wife: he earned the suspicion, should treat her questions as a gift, and should become radically transparent — open phone, location on — until trust is rebuilt, because she owes him none of the trust he ruined. The 'Secular' voice adds that it is disappointing he stopped cheating because time, not conscience, caught up with him, and that full disclosure is the price of regaining credibility.
- Dear LFTP: the daughter's boyfriend and an honest look at health 1:15:40–1:31:01
A mother writes that her 23-year-old daughter's boyfriend has gained roughly 25 pounds a year for seven years, is approaching super morbid obesity, drinks and smokes, and has no stable job, while her lovestruck daughter drifts from her own career plans — and asks whether speaking up is her place. The hosts advise: don't confront the boyfriend; talk honestly with your daughter; treat the weight as a possible symptom of something deeper like depression; suggest therapy and premarital counseling now rather than hoping marriage fixes it. One host shares how his own in-laws once asked to postpone his wedding over his joblessness, which infuriated him for a day and now looks like love. The 'Secular' voice urges a single serious conversation plus estate planning, which spirals into a running joke about McDonald's selling life insurance.
- Outro: complaint line and sign-off 1:31:02–1:32:02
A host closes the show: the complaint line number, the Bob Eisenlauer complaint line name, a reminder of the YouTube workout-video challenge for one of the hosts, an invitation to leave on-air regrets on the line, and the sign-off — 'be faithful in the means; God will handle the ends.'
Bible references
- Proverbs (unspecified)
is that even in the Bible? Turns out it is. It's in the Proverbs.
- 1 John 4:8
if I start with the macro view and I know that God is love
- Matthew 22:40
When Jesus says, this law and the prophets, that's our macro
- Matthew 2:13-15
they tell you that Jesus fled to Egypt
- Ephesians 5:23
The man is the head of the household regardless of the way he acts
- 2 Timothy 3:16
the reason I believe scripture is God breathed
- Matthew 6:24
You can't have two masters.
Key questions
- What is something you regret saying on the show over the first ten years? (host-framed)
- How do you talk with someone who reads the Bible using sound interpretive method but reaches completely opposite conclusions? (host-framed)
- Can you have spiritual disciplines without having a disciplined life? (host-framed)
- Every time I leave the house, my wife needs a play-by-play of where I am going — any advice? (dear-lftp)
- My daughter's boyfriend has unhealthy habits and no stable job — do I say something, or is it not my place? (dear-lftp)
- What does 'I read the Bible every day' actually look like in practice? (host-framed)
- How do you know which parts of the Bible are literal or accurate and which are not? (host-framed)
- Is it ever acceptable to wear flip flops or slides? (host-framed)
- How many hours a week do you spend on YouTube? (host-framed)
- Is 'idle hands are the devil's workshop' actually in the Bible? (host-framed)
People
- Pat Robertson
- Dave Bunk
- Brandon Cono
- Mark Driscoll
- Jesus
- Moses
- Paul
- Herod
- Yahweh
- The pope
- Troy
- Nathaniel
- Ben
- Mike
Full transcript
Live from the Pathway Studios in Johnston proper. You are live from the path. And you're listening to live from the Path. We're coming to you from the Pathway Studios here in Johnston, Proverbs. Come on. Like, it's a good rule of thumb on if it cracks Mike up so much when he does it on his own, it's not a genius model. Does anybody else wanna do it? Get it out now. No. No. Nathaniel? Come on in. Okay. Dan?
I can feel it. No, Dan. Dan, one out. Don't care. I won't be won't be brought into this. What do mean? Because then each one of you is gonna go, oh, bandwagoner. Almost doing the show for a long time. I know how this goes. Almost everybody did it, buvo. Why'd get it? It matters not to me at all. Ours will all be edited out. Just yours. That is four for toke on this one, and that's a woke. Hey. You can you take that audio and have Pat Robertson doing it from the seven hundred club? That'd be funny. Yeah. Yeah. We could do it. Okay. Alright, Buba. Just just do it. Oh, okay. Very
good. Thanks, Buba. Appreciate you doing that. You nose picker. You didn't do it like everybody else. You know that didn't happen. Ben is not good at his impressions. Whatever nationality he's trying to mimic at the time, it usually comes off pretty rough. Alright. You're listening to life from the path. You're listening to episode 502.
If if this is the first time you've listened, stop now. Just stop right now. You're gonna ruin everything. Go back to episode one and start over, and then you can come back to 502 where you belong, but do not cheat and skip. It will it's it's like it's like going to the last episode of breaking band, okay, or mash. It's just inappropriate. So restart episode you're gonna have to email me because the episode first 300 episodes, I don't think are even on the podcast. So it's [email protected]. Let me know and say you had I had to go back to go and not collect $200. How do I listen? Know what mean? For our for our five hundredth episode, we were gonna talk about, like, if you remember saying something on the show that you really regret saying, like, over the first ten years. Yeah. Oh. And I had a couple that came to that came to mind.
Okay. Okay. Well, go ahead, Mike. What do you okay. I just thought of one. Okay. Mine was terrible, though. We it was during the hurricane Katrina. K. And, like, I don't know what I'd been listening to, but, like, I had decided that the hurricane was a judgment on the sinfulness Oh, man. Of New Orleans. And, like, it came out of my mouth and, like, I didn't have I I did it didn't cross my mind that I had said something so terrible. And then, like, a year later, I happened to listen back to the show. I'm like, oh, no. That
is horrible and not even close to true and, like, a complete ridiculous bend on scripture or god's heart on things. I'm like, oh, man. I can't take it back. Like, it's a flawed mic thing that I had said, and, like, I'm like, man, I am so embarrassed that this even came out of my mouth. Yeah. Mhmm. Okay. But it certainly did. I did say it. Yeah. Oh, gosh. Alright. Hoover, are you trying to think of one? I can't remember the context, but there was a there was, like, the first time that I decided to, like, put my foot down against the two of you, like,
hardcore, and I don't remember what it was. But every time I've listened to that or, like, my wife brings it up or somebody goes, hey, man. It sounded like you and Ben and Mike were gonna, like, legit fight it out at that situation. I was incredibly wrong. I was being so dumb. I was coming at it with no actual factual basis in anything. I think I was like, hey, man. I remember sermons that I listened to six years ago about stuff I didn't understand and haven't opened my bible since then. Let's argue theology, fellas. It was real dumb of me, and I wish I could just go back and go, okay. You still got a couple more years of shut up and listen before you have anything to say. Mhmm. It is it is step down, son. Like, it is not time for you to talk yet. Yeah. Yep. It was rough. Okay. Good. I I don't know, Dan. Did did anything jump to mind? Oh, absolutely. But I'll put it in yeah. No. No. No. No. No. Moment to even have to think about it. But I can't say that loud because I remember even the time I said it, I thought, man, that could be taken out of context. Yes. And absolutely Sound bites. I mean, yeah. I mean, you could all I mean, it'd be easy. Just clip clip and and and that little phrase I said could be used to to destroy everything Uh-huh. I've ever done in my life. We call that dance old?
What's that? Do we call that you got dance old? I don't know. But I just so I can't say it now because it'll once again Yeah. Right. Okay. Fair enough. And I'm sure the other one's been destroyed by now. So Yeah. Because I did pray that god would take care of it. Okay. Okay. Oh. Oh, boy. That's a rough deal. If you walk away from this joint and go holy spirit, If you could just eliminate that from the Internet, that'd be awesome. Yeah. I mean, he often does. I'd like every every time we have a really a show that just should not make it through the air or something, he hears just crashes. Yeah. That probably happened that day, and I I don't yeah. That's right. Thank Jesus. Okay. Sorry. I will I'll take it. Okay. Here's what I'm gonna say. I I've used the word whore. I mean, 10 times. Uh-huh. Yeah. And, like, I can think of maybe two or three times where it felt appropriate, and the other seven, I probably I don't know that I used it incorrectly nor harshly. It just really wasn't necessary,
and, like, I could have chosen a different word. That was just your rebellion at the time? Yeah. Like, think I there's a few like, there's just a number of mild vulgarities of which I've chosen to go with that, like, were unnecessary. I mean, so I'm I'm not against a mild vulgarity of like, sometimes it's more precise than some of the other words that you're looking for. But I I will I I do say, like, there are just a few times where, like, I've I I just was lacking discernment on ways to talk about That's just good King James Bible, though. I left on Ben's gates for whether or not he should use mild vulgarity is the precision of language involved. Not the audience, not the context of it. It's just like, is this the best and quickest way to say what I need to say? It's like, would have no problem saying whore, but but there's so many words you do say that I would never say. That's true. Yeah. That's true. I'm just saying. Dan's calling you out and going, you think that's the worst one you've ever used? Wow. That's interesting. I mean I mean, I I you know? God bless you. I think I think any
for both you two over there, I'll go ahead and call something out. Anytime you guys have decided to use any kind of impression of a nationality and or ethnicity and just decided to lay it out all for everybody to see, whether it's Mike working his way through an article pretending to be some kind of Farsi man or you trying to make up some kind of Asian dialect that's unnecessary and doesn't need to be there. The woman who wrote the article was Asian. It's not my fault. It was if it was written by somebody from Indiana, it would be different. You both are hardheaded enough that when called out even by your own selves going, I don't know if I needed to do that. You double down and go, well, I guess we're gonna keep doing it. Especially when you found out she really was Asian. Right. You're like, oh. Validation.
Now it's offensive. I don't I don't can't remember. It had been the first or second year we were on the air, but, like, we had that senator the dude that was running for senate, Dave Bunk. Oh, man. Like, I had I mean, I wouldn't let it go. I was insisted on finding out who's the smelly senator of the in the in the capital. Mike's really going for the hard times. I mean, like, first time, it was, like, one out of 10 funny, and then I just was beating the horse. I would not stop going, but, really, who's the smelly guy? It was I think we got blackballed after that. It was horribly awkward. They haven't let us back on Capitol Hill since. I he also didn't get reelected. So, I mean, you know Maybe he was a smelly one. Just put on a shine that day.
It's I mean, it's cringey. You listen back to it. I just will not stop. I mean, I actually, I always thought about this as you got at the first of the first fuse of the show, we were two hour broadcast. And even now, we're between an hour and hour and a half. There is just so much audio of us talking about all kinds of different things. Like, either to Dan's to Dan's point, like, there's no and especially, like, in pockets where where Internet radio, so we're, like there's a lot of fumbling around and, like, trying to clarify words and whatever. We've I'm sure there's it's just a buck bucket full of offensiveness. Oh, absolutely. Just the stuff that's come out of my mouth, like, everybody. It's just what are you gonna do? Especially those first few years, like you say, we were we were just trying we're like, we felt obligated to go two hours. We we didn't give her give herself permission to say, well, we ran out of stuff about forty five minutes ago. Right. We're gonna keep on going. Yeah. Yeah. Because that that's a healthy It's gonna turn into a conversation about what everybody's doing on Thursday. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Too many riveting content. Poop came up a lot. Like, it was just an
yeah. I mean, it wasn't it was funny. I still listen back to it. I'm not sure it's edifying, but it wasn't like funny. Junior high locker room. It took a bit. Nathaniel, regrets? The only one I've had a few. Can come to mind is I decide similar to Buba, I decided one day that I was gonna take a real hard stance
on calling god homeboy or something stupid like that. I was like, yeah. This is right and good. You guys don't know what you're talking about. And I don't know why that was the the my hill to die on, but it's mark of my intimate relationship. Yeah. Exactly. And it seems it seems it looking back on it, it's like, wow. What a dummy. Oh, boy.
Okay. Years and years and years, those to be the things that we really regret, I think we're doing okay. Like, I think it's alright. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I don't know. Hey. But maybe if you if you got anything on the complaint line, like, where have you been offended? (515) 517-0085. And you can name Ben. That's fine. Offended text. That's fine. Oh, what did I say that got us flagged on the YouTube? Some guy got all hyped up. I said something about Mary
that was that man. Can't virgin Mary? Yeah. Yeah. And I don't know. Can't anyway Is that why the pope won't return my call? There's plenty of options. All I'm saying is that, like, so many things that are like I mean, they've been utterly offensive. So we have a whole we I mean, the the show's not winding down. So we got a whole next season to try to say regular things that make you feel at home amongst a bunk a bunch of broken people who follow a perfect god. Yeah. So you are seen. You are cherished. You are heard. You are loved. You are kept. Yeah. 500 episodes to a season is a bit much, though. Kept. Season two. That's what you I started the seasons, usually just book as the year. So, like, season twenty twenty three. Uh-huh. But we could we could start season two, like, next week. No problem. Sounds like a horrible anime. We feel like we got we finally got ourselves sorted out. We need a good intern to today, though, as the season finale. We're gonna kill off Moova. Yeah. Yes. That's a good one. That sounds awesome. Yeah. You befell a wielding knife attack. Yeah. At my hands. Wielding knife.
Wait. So Ben's gonna kill Nathaniel behind the come and go, and you're gonna knife me in the back? I already tried it. He can't be killed. Good for you. He's wily. I don't think I'm gonna have that issue. I'm a bit defensive. He declared himself to be a slurpee and then ran. Alright. You're listening live from the path. Here's what got going on the show. Moova's seen random stuff on the YouTube, and so we're some well, something caught his eye. Something caught his straight eye, and so we're gonna have him talk about it and see how it goes. I hate that you pointed at me
and named me in that. I feel good about what I did. There was something else. What did we have? Somebody did something else. Mike. Yeah. You had a drop in on spiritual disciplines. Yeah. Yeah. And just the overall question is and it it ties in a little bit to fasting too. But, like, the tie in is is, like, can you have
spiritual disciplines without having a disciplined life? Mhmm. Mhmm. Okay. Alright. We'll drop in on that. We got a couple articles we may or may not get to because, I don't know, the the Christian news is getting repetitive. And then we got advice on dear life in the past, and that'll I think we'll take us up. Okay. Bubba, you've been YouTubing. How how many hours a week would you say you spend on the YouTube? Oh, I have no idea. Like like, ten?
I do I do audiobooks on YouTube. Couple hours a day? Well, like, yeah. Okay. So double digits, YouTube. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like, when I'm because I don't watch TV a whole lot. Like, I have Netflix and all that stuff, but, like, most of the time, I'm I'm on my my YouTube watching, like, video game stuff and cooking stuff. Okay. Okay. The reels or, like, you watch long form? Long form. I'll just I'll I'll throw it on and while I'm doing dishes or something like background content stuff. Dan, what do you what do you think? A number of hours, YouTube. You know, just recently, it has, accelerated
quite a bit. I'd say over 10 because I kinda quit watching TV. Okay. Same. Same. So you you do you pull a boob, and you say, I don't have the TV on, but I might be, picking stuff up from YouTube. Usually, it's more substantial than Video games. Games and uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Not that that's I'm going to die in this episode. Can you give me some dignity, please?
Hey. You'll die as you've lived. You can't die until there's some tension in the room. Alright? Alright. Okay. Okay. Double double news stuff on the on the on the YouTube now. Okay. Okay. Nathaniel, now I now you you've been a man who've, I think, arm wrestled with the YouTube in the past. Yes. How you how are you doing? Is the YouTube dominating you or you dominating it? It's it's to Mike's point later, it's dominating me. Okay. Okay. Cool. Okay. You've been held captive by, like, double digits? Oh, yeah. Big time. Oh, yeah.
Okay. Short, like like, reels or long form content? Both. I take it in. Okay. Come on. I take it in. Power user of the YouTube. I do I do a bunch of sermons too, so it's like it's probably a lot more than I think. Oh, yeah. Dan does it wholly. No. I'm just saying that it's background stuff, like, this, whatever. I'll just do this. If it's the topic I've got going at you know, I don't have maybe time to read a book or something, but I'll sit there and listen to some dude and Okay. Compare thoughts. I was like, oh, yeah. That's a thought. Okay. Alright. Alright. Mike, double digit YouTube. I didn't see Dan watching winter gold. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Got a tie there shirt. I hope hope I remember that. No. I'm in there I'm in there in spurts. I can't even watch a full video. I'm I I only go there to fix a thing. And so, like, for today, for example, I was looking at, carburetor things for a moped. I'd picked up a trash day, and, the guy's video was, fifteen minutes. I'm like, oh, here we go. So then I just started to search through it till I got the fifteen seconds I wanted, and then I then I bailed. Yeah. Those get annoying because you're like they'll they'll they'll be like, I'm gonna change a light bulb or something in a car, and it's like, oh, here's here's a model number, blah blah blah. You get into all this stuff and, like, just tell me where the Like, they're running a sitcom. You know? Like, they got a buildup and a and a conclusion. It was like, come on, man. Just get to the point where you do the trick. Really? Okay. Alright. Alright. Mine's mine's also pretty low. I do you I do workouts. I pump the iron along with the YouTube folk, and so
I watch for that and then and to fix something. But other than that, I don't actually I don't freelance the content. I tried the yoga with a YouTube man, and no. It was it was That sounds like the worst Bluegrass song I've ever heard in my entire life. Yeah. Tried the yoga with a YouTube man. He was trying to get me to talk to my hamstrings, and I couldn't I couldn't do it. He's like, tell him, good morning, hamstrings. Good I'm like, stop doing that. I can't. Yeah. No. And And here's the bit. The bit is we just put Mike into, like, new age YouTube and or social interactions and just watch him melt and break down as a man on YouTube. He's going, just say good morning to your hamstrings today. Good morning, hammies. Yeah. How are you doing? And he's like he's like holding himself up by an index finger, twirling around, doing this amazing stuff. And I can't even I can't literally do the v sit and reach. I can't even get to my toes. I'm probably knee level at best. And I'm like, this is gonna take ten years to catch up with this guy. Okay. Here's what we're gonna do. Five one five five one seven zero zero eight five. You you can do text, which means if you you get to pick you get to pick a workout video on the YouTube, and Mike has to do the first fifteen minutes of it. Pilates, yoga
Okay. Like, whatever. You if you send it, Mike will do like, at least the first one that we get, Mike will do it, and we'll record it. We're gonna go there doing the first pitch. It sounds horrible. Oh gosh. This is gonna be great. And and if it goes if it's hilarious, then we'll we'll we'll think about extending it. Alright. Well, in in my rebuttal to this, I'm gonna wear the tightest stuff I own, and and you're gonna take it in. I'm not worried about that. Oh, I'm gonna stretch it out. Feeling you don't have a lot of tight clothing. I know. And if I can't find anything idea of tight clothing is I'm not wearing jeans and boots. No. Mike's got gym shorts on. Oh, no. It does. It feels like I'm gonna get robbed or the house is gonna catch on fire. I feel extremely vulnerable in regular, like, laying about clothes. Actually, I bought a pair of Chinese knockoff Hey Dudes. I got it for $15 from the TEMU. The the Heydudes can't be $50, Ben. No. They were 50. These were 15. Yeah. But why are you that's ridiculous to be cheap on that. What are Heydudes? Am I wearing them right now? Yeah. I'm wearing them right now. They're like a cloth looking they're like a cloth looking shoe. K. I was just Great. I was just about to do a Chinese impression of Hey Dudes, and I shut it down Thank you. On your behalf, Bubba. Appreciate that. Okay. So, anyway, I bought these I bought these for 15 bones from the Chinese. The Chinese people. And I I feel actually very they're they're an unstructured shoe. And I feel like like it's it's a tantamount to walking around in your pajamas out and about, and I feel very uncomfortable about it. Like, at any given time, someone might go like, hey, man. We could use your help pulling this wagon out of the ditch. And I'm like, sorry. I'm wearing an unstructured shoe from the Mainland.
I cannot I can't help. Alright. Here's my question to you, folks. Is it ever acceptable to wear, like, flip flops and or slides or anything? No. No. Because, like, you never you never know when you Radial's out too. Never have your toesies out No. When you're outside in your eyes. No. My last my last flight to Zimbabwe, I did wear slippers. Like like On the plane. Oh, but to the airport? Did you drive in them, or you just switched to the airport? I went through security and everything so I could just slip those slippers off. Please tell me they were, like, bunny slippers. Like, that's what I want for you. They they they you know, they were a little more masculine, but they were still slippers. So they look like indeed. You know, slippers. Okay. Now what if we your what if we gotta change a tire or something? Or what if you need help someone else change a tire? Yeah. Well, I was on What if the gas station here didn't robbed? I wanna get robbed in pajama pants and slides? Luke, come on. I spent a few hours in Dubai walking around in my slippers. That's awesome. I've pushed a car in flip flops before. Yeah. Yeah.
I'm just saying, like, it you can do it. Yeah. There was a dude playing a trombone two blocks away going every time he saw you out there with your slides on. It's embarrassing. Interesting. Alright. I'll change my ways. I did have a UK rapper coming Do have a tactical suitcase in A your tactical suitcase? Yeah. Ready for action at all times? Nope. The coder ring, like, from the Cap'n Crunch and a flashlight? No. No. I'm not MacGyver. Stethoscope in case you gotta break into a safe I'm not capable of that many things. Like, people have bought me tools before, yourself included, and I've probably used them once. Good. Wait. Wait. Dan, did you say that a
a like a an English rapper, like UK rapper Yeah. Yeah. Struck up a conversation with you and your bunny slip? Yeah. Because he okay. So I paid a little extra so I could sit at on on the wing. So because, like, it's major leg room. I mean, like, from me to like, 15 feet. Right? Mean, it's, like, huge on a big old And so he thought I was really wealthy. Oh. And I was I did have, like, a $100 on me, like, cash, you know, so somebody didn't tell him that, but but it wasn't mine, you know, so it had nothing to do with me. Right. But I felt rich in my slippers. Yeah. So so he just thought it was really cool. He wanted me to set up concerts and everything all over Zimbabwe. You say done. I'll take care of it. Yeah. Yeah. So he got my we got our WhatsApp numbers, and I may have blocked him later. But yeah. I don't know what you need to do right now, but I feel like you need to give more context
other than I paid for extra leg room on a flight to Zimbabwe, and I had a $100 in cash on me, but it wasn't my money. Well, no. It's because for the orphanage. It's for an orphanage. That's all I'm asking for you say. Second. I I was taking money that that I went there on purpose because to wire it would've cost a lot of money, so it was cheaper to send me. Yeah. I'm fully aware of that. For that audience. Yeah. Right. It's like, Dan doesn't just travel with a 100 g's to How do know that? Wait a I do it all the time. Every day. Lord of war style. Like, I went and bought a bunch of a k 40 sevens over there. Did you just, like, look from side to side when they said, do you have anything to declare? A $100,000. I had an official paper that that said but I had I had filed at the Right. Yes. Whatever airport security
plea pool. So, yeah, they they could stop me and and and to be fine. I was gonna say, what happens if you don't have that paper someone stops you with a $100,000? I did it a few times before, and they finally thought maybe we should fill the paper. Because it's not illegal to to because they they want the cash. Incredibly suspicious. Yeah. It's illegal for them to do it like a a citizen. Yeah. Because they're like, wait. I know you you owe taxes. You know? Right. Right. Right. Right. But yeah. But still, we thought, okay. We should do it. So we've been we we declare it. I was gonna say, I think I had $400 in my pocket in The Philippines, and I felt like I was breaking national money. I was was gonna be taken down at any moment. What were we talking about? Bubba Wood watches YouTube. Alright. How much YouTube do you watch, Mike? Yeah. So I was watching a show that is is put on by a pretty well known YouTube channel,
and, essentially, it is a cooking channel. And one of the things that they've been recently doing they've been pushing on is, like, last meals of these famous celebrities. And so these celebrities come on the show. Wait. Last meals, like, is their last ever or, like, what they ate last night? No. So, essentially, like, it's if you know you're about to die tomorrow Oh. What would your last meal be? Yeah. And so they get together, and they they put together this meal, and then they talk about a lot of stuff. And it's questions about death, and it's questions about, you know, what happens when you die and all this kind of stuff, and it's it's taking off. It's a pretty big deal.
And It's depressing. I mean, to some people, yeah, but to some not. I mean, it's mortality is for everybody. What happened on this YouTube video, booger? I'm trying to get there, and that happened. That also feels like a bumper sticker. Mortality is for everybody. Whatever the anyway, so this gentleman was on and was essentially asked about religion, what happens when you die, and things like that. And the guy said that he was an avid Christian.
He believed in Christianity and has has identified as that for a long time, but the rest of his conversation is he's he's an openly gay man and, like, is involved in that at a, like, high level media perspective, and so he's, like, big name in the community, stuff like that. And he's talking about the fact that he's a Christian, and he, believes in God, he doesn't believe in heaven, doesn't believe in hell, and all this different stuff. And then he started to talk about, having conversations with his father about
Christianity and all this different stuff, and it was interesting because his comments were essentially saying, you know, he reads the Bible daily and has broken it down, everything like that, but when he's confronted by people that don't understand how he's a Christian and is also a part of these other communities openly and has no shame about it whatsoever, his comments were essentially like, well, you're focusing too much on the little things. Once you've read that word in the Bible, take a little bit of context. What's around it? What's happening here? What's culturally going on? And then once you're there, take another step out and look look at it from this lens and things like that. And it was interesting because it's the same kind of conversation that I would have with somebody about how to accurately read the Bible, which is don't get stuck verse to verse to verse and jump around all over the place and grab this out of context because you can skew it to anything. Look for the context of what's being said. Who was this being written to? Who is it being written by? All those kind of questions that when you're trying to correctly go through your Bible and understand it for more than just what words you're reading in the language that it was not originally written in, it was exactly right. Like, I would do the same thing.
But to the complete opposite conclusion, like 100% opposite conclusion. And I'm sitting there thinking like, how do I
talk to someone about this conversation? How do I talk to someone who that is their viewpoint as well of like, yes, I am reading my Bible, and yes, I am taking it in, and yes, I'm looking at the cultural aspects and what this would have meant in the original language it was written and things like that, but then they just come out with this incredibly different viewpoint of, no, that that's not what God was saying in that. God's saying that that's not even a sin. Heaven and hell don't exist, and there's no consequences for our actions and all this different stuff. And it really turns into, god's just this guy, and he's just really excited about your happiness, and, you know, he just wants everyone to be happy and be smiley, and everyone should be just happy without being judged. What do you say to that kind of person, or what do you say to someone that comes to you knowing that you're a Christian, and says, hey. I heard this, and it's a vastly different viewpoint than you've said before, but they went about it the the way you've been saying it.
What does that conversation look like? Yeah. It's like so so, Nathaniel, it's it's different to to be dealing with someone who, like, clearly doesn't read the scriptures and would say as much, or someone who doesn't believe in this at all. But this is a person who is saying, like, oh, yeah. We're the same. We both read the scriptures all the time. We think it's appropriate to get it into context, blah blah blah. And they're coming to complete opposite conclusions than what you're coming up with. Like and, Nathaniel, maybe I I'm saying, like, start with you. Like, what would you
how would you help start start trying to sort out where that problem might be or how to point someone to or to reconcile maybe what they're coming to and what you're coming to. I mean, if they're willing to dive in and especially explore grammatical and
historical studying of the scripture, I maybe would probably start there, see kind of where they're going astray, and then maybe start on those passages that they're because everybody's got their their proof texts, even people who, you know, have a theology that I would say I would agree with. Yeah. And so if
this gentleman has some texts that he bases his life around, then I would start there. Yeah. I think that's a good initial call is that where
people find a a a text or section of text that they agree with, and then they start looking using the Bible to filter the Bible, which is which is an error. Like, you use the Bible to interpret the Bible. That's right. But, like, you do run a risk of saying based upon this one thing that I agree with, now I will use it to then re rerender all of the other things when, like, what I might have to do is say, here's the thing I really agree with. Here's the thing that strikes me as maybe I don't agree with. My question is how are both true, not how do I bend the second one to fit because I like the first one better because I agree with the first one. So I think I think starting with where
trying to figure out what lens, even if it's a scriptural lens or specifically because it's a scriptural lens, people are starting with, I that starts to get to the root of it because otherwise you're fighting for words
and phrases of which people are coming to different conclusions, not because the language is particularly different, but because they started contextually with a different thought in mind. This isn't just a this guy problem. It's a lot it's like a regular dude problem where I I heard somebody say once, I think aptly, everybody's theology is wrong somewhere, and none of us know where exactly that is. Yeah. Yeah. Agreed.
Agreed. I don't know, Dan. What what have you run into a character like this that you've that you've dealt with either online, in person? Yeah. Not necessarily on the on the topic, but but with with any scripture. My usually, like, my first question is to get to unpack a little bit about, well, when you say you read the Bible every day, what does that look like?
What's your sources? Because I've talked to people who get a text once a day, a Bible verse, and they say, Yeah, I read the Bible every day because I got that text. A verse taken out of context. That's how I read Shakespeare, just send me a paragraph periodically at random spots in any play and that wouldn't make sense, but that's how they read the Bible because it's usually the ones that cater to your ego and, Oh, God loves me. I'm a sorrion ego, and eagle.
I can't say eagle and ego. So I would investigate that. What does it mean when you say you read the scripture, and what do you do when you don't understand it? How do you find out? How do you figure out what it's really saying? Do you just ignore it and say, I don't believe that, and go on? Or how are you coming to these conclusions? That would begin the conversation. Think then we could sit down and talk about either a wrong hermeneutic that they're approaching
or if it's just plain ignorance, like I would be with many things. Like, well, can I help you find a source, a better source for information? That'd be the starting point. Guess it all depends on how they would respond, how I would go
from there. Yeah. I do think one of the bigger rubs, the places where most people are on shaky ground is when you start getting into word definition. Yeah. Right? So, like, crux of, like, contextual phrases and things like that. Like, a a lot of times you can talk talk through that. Although one of things I would say is that going back to to Buba, to your description of kinda what the guy was saying, backing up and looking into context doesn't absorb
or eliminate the thing that the individual sentence or word is getting at. It just illuminates it. Right. Right? Context helps you understand it rightly. It doesn't discard it. And so, like, if there's a clear teaching around you know, something that if it's like a old testament law or something that or even a new testament epistle that seems to try to restrict behavior in some way and we go, yeah. But if you look out if you take out the really wide macro view and you go, yes, but God is is love. And so, you know, everything under if I start with the macro view and I know that God is love, then that means the stuff that I'm doing is okay. I'm like, well, like, the Bible does say God is love. That's true, and it's an it's totally okay place to start. But, like, the reconciliation is he he said this thing specifically, and so you need to tell me define love. Yes. Can't write exactly. What do mean by that? And, like and now the question is when you say God is love, does it also mean that he's a liar? Because he did say that. And so so so you can't like, that God is love doesn't can't obfuscate or completely change or eliminate something that God also said.
It may help you understand it. Like like I said, so, like, context illuminates. It does not obfuscate. It doesn't eliminate. And so that, like, that would be that that would be my hesitance because, like, I'm I'm I'm in. I'm in on the macro view. I think we totally often miss misread scripture by reading it too narrow, but we're reading for for lighting it up, not for trying to make it go away to to make it so bland that it doesn't say anything. So when when Jesus zoomed out, he zoomed out to law and prophets. That's the biggest Jesus went. Right? So, like, he didn't go through, like, one singular story where God is love and this Bible is about me and how I feel. Right? When Jesus says, this law and the prophets, that's our macro, and that's the biggest I go, which includes law, which are are very specific laws, which culturally, like, you can try
understand why some of the laws existed because of the culture around it. That doesn't change what the law was. The the the interpretations of the law, you're like, well, why would they even have that? That's a good discussion. Yeah. But the law itself is really straightforward. Right. Right? And and the prophets are the prophets. Right? So, like, even when there's there's just as much danger as taking extremely microscopic view in in diverse picking or word picking, but there's there's just as much danger when when you try to zoom way out and go, God is love. And the thing is is when you when you approach scripture, right, like, there's there's conviction in there.
And so, like, if if I were to read reread whatever Thessalonians and turns out that a thing that I thought, let's say that we read Ephesians again and we and and we sat down and did the Bible study and you know what? It is just like everyone is afraid of. Right? The man is the head of the household regardless of the way he acts or the way that he does does not sacrifice for the church, for the his bride or whatever. And that's how God said it was. And I go, crap. I have some things I need to change my life then because, yes, I'm willing to walk up to that scripture and go, whatever I bring to it, God gets to be good. And God is good and right in the things that he says. And that that means that I need to change the way that I'm looking at something. And, like, I mean, that's been my whole life since I met Jesus. It's constant conviction.
It's constant the holy spirit bringing things back out of scripture and going, it's never it's it's it's it's always, son, I love you, but never you're nailing this thing. I want to call you closer to me, which means your humanity is gonna have to get in check a little bit, and you're gonna have to rely on me for what's good. And and, like, when you approach the Bible with what you already thought and you're just looking for verse text to back it up, you can probably find it. You can piecemeal the micro and even the cultural explanation that you throw around it. You could make it sound like the thing you already believe. Right? But like the things that I believe now after following Jesus for years, like, they're not what I believed twenty years ago and God had to do a lot of work in me to get it there. And so like, it's it does it takes a lot broader conversation, especially when you run into people that like, I read my Bible every day. And for all the reasons you guys just explained, there's tons of ways to start this conversation and go, here's the thing. As much as we don't like to count, like the culture is a good conversation to have, so is church history. Right? There are millions and millions of people that have used this as the cornerstone of their faith. And in the last twenty years, now you've decided
that everybody that had ever interpreted the way this is to be understood, including the guys that met the son of God, now was probably wrong because the culture they were in was different. And he's like, they they were there in the culture they were in, and they took the thing that Jesus said exactly like this. So it's you're gonna have a hard time making a case from your two thousand years off that you understood that culture better Mhmm. Than than they did when they took it in. Right. Right. Yeah. So I think that's I think that's right. I think you it pulls people into a like like, sometimes you need even the broader context about like, one of the thing I was thinking about is not the like, sometimes you you it's a it's a it's a question of clarity pretty quickly. You should pick out the thing people tend to be pretty offended about and go,
is this right? Like, how do you read this? Just so I can understand where you're coming from. Right. Is this a true thing or not? Well, no. It's not a true thing. Okay. So from a standard, we're saying we do not we immediately start to part company when you say you read a Bible every day that you do not believe is holistically accurate. Which parts are accurate? Oh, well, I like these parts. That's like Heaven and hell don't count now. Yeah. Okay. That's a huge broad swath that, like, is pretty defined. Right. And you gotta chuck Jesus for that one. Right? Like, this isn't even people, you know, people harass Paul over all kinds of things. Jesus is the hell man. He's the guy talking about. And so, like, regardless of your interpretation of what that is, you have to deal with the concept of of either Jesus is lying, the scriptures are misrepresenting Jesus, or, like, you're fighting or you are rejecting something that God said was right. Right? And so it doesn't take but but a half a dozen questions to get to a point where at least we know what we're dealing with. Like, if you're a person who goes, I just don't think.
I think some of this is perverted by man. Okay. Which parts? How would I know? Right. Actually, this is super interesting because Mub and I have been talking about this recently. Is it just like it's the question of how do you know is a very is a very pervasive and some often difficult question. Oh, well, that part that part isn't literal. Okay. Well, how do you know? I I often I think much of the scripture isn't literal, but I have a reason for it. Like, there's a there's a pattern. There's a justifiable reason. Here's how you might be able to tell. Here's how it's interacted pretty consistently, and so you can come to a reasonable conclusion. That's way different than, oh, Jesus didn't say that. Oh, interesting. How do you know? Oh, I the the Nicene council jacked with this. Oh, that's interesting. How do you know? Because if you get into an opinion battle, you're gonna lose it.
Right? Because you're just a per like, here's the people don't tend to honor the opinions of people they who are against them from their perspective. Yeah. It's why you gotta stop arguing with your family members. Like, it doesn't come across you're not gonna win that one either. Well and you have to have a low view of God. Right? Like, the reason I believe scripture is God breathed is because I can't imagine an all powerful God that will allow it to be changed into something that he didn't that he didn't wanna do. Right? And so and the thing is it has to be very pinpointed. How do you explain the message translation, Mike? Well, that is tough. That is tough, Lou. I mean but the thing is is holistically, the I mean, like, I can find theological rubs in the message translation, but, like, I I mean,
I can get here's the thing is I do this all the time. And the thing is when you quote I was talking to somebody this week because we were talking about memorizing Bible passages. And I said, I I get it. I think it's good to have God's word in your heart. But, like, when you turn around and try to explain it to somebody using 2,000 year old language, it's not gonna come out right. Right? It's just gonna flat out not that you're not saying it in a way that they can understand it. Like, there's there's words that that are pervasive throughout the scripture that even when you try to explain it in modern context with, like, grace and mercy. Right? All these things are gonna come through the exact same as the intended. You're just gonna you you're gonna say it in your own words because if you say, thou's doth whatever or you try reading out of the new King James. Right? People gonna people who don't know Jesus are gonna struggle with you understanding with what you're saying. Or even the words even this came up recently in things we're studying, but, like, even enemy. Like like, when I say enemy, modern context, like, it's got a different vibe.
Often, it's it's a very because, like, our notion of, like, some people have, like, these enemy figures in their lives, but, like, most people, they think nemesis and, like, kinda like a cheesy that kid stole my blanket or, like, peed in my cup type of, like, nemesis. What's going on in your element? That's cold. That is a big change there. I remember you, Brandon Cono. I remember everything you've done. So, like like I was also thinking of Brandon Cono as a possible man that would've done something. That is the second time you guys have brought up Brandon Cono in three weeks. He's he's a I think you better need to talk to him. I should be praying for him, I suppose.
He may be still be my enemy. I don't know. Or nemesis. Anyway, it's not the same. Right? When Jesus talks about enemy like, you're you're talking, like, very stark evil things from enemies, and we are like that guy took the last package of double stuffs from the Walmart shelf, and now I'm screwed, and he enjoyed it. Right? So, like How dare you? Right. It was just contextually, we're wrong about it. Is that right? Okay. So yeah. Anyway, I mean, I suppose to sum it up, like, when you approach people that, like, claim to read the bible every day and have come to these, like, massively crazy different conclusions,
One, I would certainly pray on that. Right? Because, like, there's a little bit of weirdness going on. Two, I I think all those suggestions were solid. Right? You put you're gonna have to have a conversation in here somewhere. But at the end of the day, like, two major things have to be have to be met. One, you have to believe that God is good. No matter what God says, like, he has his best intentions. Like, there's a couple things, especially from that fella. Right? Like, there's a couple worldviews that he'd want changed instantly. And and he goes, if this were just different and if Christians just believe this differently, the world would be way better. And God says, no. That is in fact the exact opposite. Right. Right? What you're doing is saying, hey, make make something that I've that that will destroy humanity and say that it's okay so they can feel temporarily better. Right? That's not bringing them closer to me. That's glorifying them as a deity because they get to call what's good and what's not good. And God already laid that out. And so as as hard as it is to operate in a world, especially, you know, culturally now or especially when we're in America, like, it's it's so divided on being able to just accept anything that anybody says and says, this is who I am. This is what I wanna be. This is what I think is good. And, like, you have to go back to the fact that God says, I know what is good. I designed you. This is what is good. I'm good. I can do nothing but good. And I'm telling you, this is not where good is. And you wanna take a fallible human's version of it who grew up in a context without being, say, infinity years old. Right? They've got twenty, thirty, forty years on this earth. Now they got it all licked and say, this is how the world is. And you're like, I can't take your opinion on this. You're you're nothing old compared to the god of the universe. And he says, this is going to hurt you. This is not where joy and freedom come from. And so, like, any attempt, you're like, you're making a temporary
solution to an eternal problem. And, like, that's pretty arrogant on on our end too. It's easier for you to deal with people in the day to day as far as you're concerned. But, like, if God is love, God doesn't do that. Love doesn't go, hey. I'll sacrifice what's easy for right now for keeping a deep and hard truth that will give people freedom later. Right? Just because you're scared or you don't wanna offend somebody. Yeah. That don't sound like love. Right? If you raise kids that way, you're gonna be very sorry on the way that your kid has come out after after they leave your house because you chickened out every major conversation. You never told them hard things and you wanted to be their best buddy growing up. And you're gonna have a kid that has no idea which way is up and down. And you're gonna watch them have to screw it up 10,000 times before they ever get the relief of freedom going, oh, but God. And then God gets to show up and and actually tell truths that you owed you owed them if you love them. Alright. Hey. You're listening to life from the path. I don't know. Be interested to see if you have any stories,
things that you're running into where you're surprised at the what appears to be biblical fidelity of folks who believe just these opposite of you. And, you know, here's the thing. I have I have come across many a, competently put together theological argument for things that I disagree with. It tends to part company at, how literal is the scripture. It tends to part company at
is what have the scriptures been tampered with or the definition of a word, especially when you get to the sexual stuff. Like, people start kinda twisting words around to to try to fit their fit their theology. And so that's where the 10 stuff tends to get to. I I would say this. Like, you should be given given what Nathaniel said, which is if everybody everybody likely has something that they believe that's not quite right. I mean, you should always be open. You should be open in listening. That's how you find out the things that you got wrong. Now most of the time, I mean, like, it's I don't know I don't know if interpretations really sway all that far from from maybe the steady things that you know, but, like, you can't you can't learn if you're not listening. And, frankly, you can't help teach if you're not listening. And so,
either way, you're gonna I would start by listening. And then people who have a heart for scripture, to Mike's point, like, will ultimately be changed by it. People who have a heart for themselves will stop seeing themselves in it eventually and but people who who are open to being changed by god will be. And so we can encourage that and be part of those types of conversations. And you can follow those around because they tend to start being cause based religions. Right? Like, they've taken like, if you if if if you read the entirety of that that bible, it's God's story and it's very evident it's God's story. But, like, if you go to certain denominations or certain
sects of Christianity where they're, like, they're cause based. They're like, this is about me. We're gonna talk about this issue only and this is the way we we go forward. And, like, that stopped being about God completely and and started being about you. So, like, you've you've just taken God's throne away and set your butt on it. And that's that that it's dangerous. Yeah. And that reminded me. There was an article we weren't gonna read the whole thing, but the the title struck out at me. This is from Christianity Today from earlier in this month, and the title of the article was Moses was bicultural like me. And I thought, like, who who
why? Like, what what what are we looking for in this story that God has told using a man named Moses that the the notion of him as a Hebrew raised as an Egyptian is a key part of it. Like, his his identity actually doesn't it it comes up as how god
has worked through someone. His actions are actually the primary thing, and it creates unique situations between him and his adopted family and his birth family. Right. Okay. But it's not a story about adoption,
and it's not a story about multicultural. It's a story about the like like, the the uniqueness of the story happens because of those situations, but it's not his identity. You never hear Moses actually bring the he doesn't bring this up, and the scripture often doesn't. Like, scripture is always almost always in the process of trying to trying to weave things together to acclimate to what it's like to be one one kingdom under Yahweh.
And so I I just what caught me here was, like, what are we looking for? When we're reading the scriptural narratives, like, what lens do you have on and why? Wasn't this the failure of the of of, in our eyes, the Jesus campaign that came out during the Super Bowl? Right? It was solely focused on the way Jesus is like you as an individual. Yes. Yeah. Yes. And so, like, it just feel it felt like a weird if if it's not relevant to what God is trying to communicate, like, why are we we gotta I guess we just be cautious about looking
whatever. Pastors are are known for this. Like, you go look at it, and you found a story somewhere, and you want Mark Driscoll was one of the worst. He'd, like, choose the scripture and then talk about whatever he wanted and just found a way to to kinda bring that out of the story. And, like, it's just it's it's one of the risks. It's no actually, it's no different than the person that Abubu was talking about. If you're reading the scriptures to affirm the thing that you're looking for in yourself that isn't the thing that God is trying to talk about,
this one seems more benign, of course, but, like, it's the same problem. Like, if it's not if it's not particularly Jesus as a refugee, It's not relevant to the story. I to know that he went from place to place like, they tell you that Jesus fled to Egypt. He and his family fled to Egypt to describe the evil threat under Herod.
Right? Like, that's the point of telling him the the of the fleeing. Right. Yeah. Alright? The point of him fleeing wasn't go, oh, look. He's a refugee. Like, it has nothing to do with the the concept of the story even if it's true. But, like, most people are going, didn't you know that Jesus was an immigrant and a refugee? They're trying to steal Jesus' story out of context to tell their own story. Mhmm. And I'm I'm I'm just telling you that, like, there may be a totally competent and merciful story to be told about these immigration situations and how we think about refugees as a country, as a as individuals, whatever. Totally. But do not go to scripture,
pull Jesus' story out of context or what's irrelevant to what's going on around him to try to push a cause, especially one that he might even like, he might even be for. They're just looking everybody's just looking for some way to help understand themselves. Right? But the but they wanna find it out of human level measurements. And, like, God doesn't be talking about that. Like, he just does not. He says, you are who I said you are. Right? You are my son or you are my daughter. That is the most identity you get. Right? And so people go, look. I can understand myself better because Moses was bicultural.
Why, though? Right? As soon as God said, you're my son, that's pretty much what you need to know. That's it. Are there worldly struggles here that are gonna cause you deference because of your race? Yes. Yes. In a fallen broken world, yes, sir. That is definitely truth. Your your your wealth disparity. Sure. Yeah. Absolutely. Right? Your sex even. Right? All these things can be can be totally true in a broken humanity. But, like, at the end of the day, god don't be talking about that. Right? You're trying to go the the thing that is that I'm defined in this world plus Jesus. Right? And Jesus goes, it doesn't matter. I'm the king. And I say you're a son and I say you're a daughter. And that's what you need to know. And you keep trying to put in, like, weird obstacles in the way as if that you will help you understand yourself better. You wanna understand yourself better? Read the prophets and the law. Right. And then listen to what Paul had to say about me and then read the words of me. And then let's see where we're at after that. Let's stop letting the world, like, poke in and say, well, you can be defined as a son of the king, but you're also
a dude. Okay. Whatever. Yeah. Scripture scripture defines who you are. You don't go to scripture to affirm the identity that you've created for yourself. Or the one that the world's pressed on you. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Either one. Yep. Okay. You're listening to Live for the Bad. Thanks for hanging out with us so far tonight. Mike, the question on the table was, can you have spiritual disciplines without being a disciplined person? Yeah. Yeah. Without having a disciplined life. And and here's the reason I'm asking is because, like, I've noticed I was talking to my wife about this earlier. Like, I've noticed in the past, like, when I've done a fast, like, I can't
once I once that comes into line because, like, that's a necessity. Right? Like, food is a necessity in your life. And so, like, I do a fast or, like, pay attention to what I'm eating or whatever. And then all of a sudden, like, my whole world starts to focus in on intentional living because that one has taken a hold. And I thought, how many years have I tried to, like, keep up a disciplined bible reading or a disciplined prayer life, but everything outside of that was whatever I wanted to do. Right? Like, I eat what I wanna eat. I drink what I wanna drink. I smoke what I wanna smoke. Everything is like a complete
I can do whatever I want, free Roman, except for I wanna keep this little corner of my life completely disciplined. And I think I think the dichotomy keeps bumping up against itself and going, I don't know that you can actually do this. You can either live intentionally or not. And that includes some of the spiritual disciplines. Right? Like, so does that mean I can intentionally
have, like, four sodas a day? Yeah. Sure. I can if I want to, if I'm doing intentionally. I would say at this point, I drink as many sodas as I want to without any regard for whether or how many I should have or not, Like, without even a thought into it. And, like, on the flip side of that, my Bible reading is give or take. It's it happens, but it's not disciplined for sure. I would say same thing with my prayer life. Right? And I noticed that, like, it really correlates into other areas of my life that are not under any type of discipline or intentionality. They're just, well, we'll just see how this goes. You know? And so but I I wouldn't wanna take away some of the wonder. And, like, I don't know that you wanna have, like, a completely rigid,
strict lifestyle where you're immovable and inflexible, especially when it comes to the holy spirit speaking into your life or other people being involved in your life. But it does feel like it lacks intentionality. You could be intentionally flexible and intentionally open to to God moving things around, and that seems okay. But I just it it just hit me earlier that, like, I don't I don't know if you can have both. I don't know if you can live intentionally in one area and not intentionally in the rest and and expect it to sustain. Yeah. Is that the question is not like, it's possible,
but is it likely or is it effective? Yeah. Does it hold? Is it for the long term for the long for the long term? Yeah. Dana, what what's been your experience, like, thinking about just, like, either spiritual disciplines, but then, like, I don't know, discipline in general or intentionality in your life? Yeah. I I think what came to my mind was I'm trying to use the question and it's straying for me. The more disciplined you are, the more How am I saying this? The more
depth of discipline you're I need write it on a piece of paper so I can read it and say it at same time because I'm not a disciplined speaker at the moment. Rephrase the question for me, if you would. It was basically like, can you run through spiritual disciplines? Can you have disciplines and spiritual disciplines
without having a disciplined life? Right. Yeah. Yeah. That's what was trying to I probably should've should've used the words intentional, I guess. I I think I I think I feel like it's more intentional because disciplines are intentional. Like, you're saying, like, regardless of what's going on around me, I'm going to do this. I'd say the more disciplined you are in the spiritual disciplines, the deeper your spiritual life is. Doesn't mean you can't be a spiritual person without a disciplined spiritual,
you know what I'm saying, approach? Yeah, yeah, Everything that you said, I'm a disciplined eater at times and I do really, really well, and then I fall apart and I'm like, Yeah, I'm eating whatever, And then I have to kind of catch myself again. If I had just been disciplined my entire life, I would look different than I do now. If you just read your Bible fifteen minutes a day for twenty years, that's way better than being hot and cold and hot and cold, hot and cold. So the more disciplined you are, the more consistent you are, I think the more deeper you go.
Because you have to go beyond the checklist. Okay, check, read my Bible, check, did my prayer, okay, did a fast, that one, to make it work into your heart, that takes time and takes consistency and intentionality. So those are all necessary, the deeper, the more consistent you do that, the deeper I believe you go
in your faith, if that answers what you're saying, I your mean, are you still a Christian? Yeah, yeah, but you can have so much more joy when you study it even deeper. Yeah. You you know? Yeah. Nathaniel, would you would you say in your life, is there a correlation between, like, discipline
or intentionality in spiritual matters and intentionality and your ability to sustain that with other things, like, I don't know, exercise or something like that, often on the opposite side, you're not being disciplined in one, is it very difficult to keep the discipline in another? Yeah, for sure. I feel like that's the only way that I do like if I'm disciplined in one area, I feel like I'm hitting on all cylinders,
like all the disciplines, spiritual disciplines, physical disciplines, you know, hanging out with my wife and kids and and and being intentional with them and and living a holistic, intentional lifestyle. Yeah. And when I'm not,
I am not doing anything. The whole thing blows up. The whole thing blows up. Yeah. Which I think is a flaw. Yeah. And I don't know. Like, that could be a personality thing and for individual people. I don't know. I've I'm on the same board with Nathaniel. Right? Even something so simple as, like, I tuck my kids into bed every night. Right? And, like, when I'm when I'm disciplined in in my Bible reading, my prayer life, when I'm paying attention to what I'm eating, like, my whole life feels more intentional. And then when it's time to put the kids to bed, I'm like, yes. Yes. I definitely wanna do this. So, like, this is this is the part of my day, and it's driving deeper. And, like, regardless of whether I wanna do it when I'm in the valley and I'm not quite as disciplined, like, it's almost like an irritating afterthought to the fact that I I was just gonna walk to bed. You know? Like, I was just gonna go to bed right now. And, like, now I gotta walk all the way upstairs, and Ella gonna wanna tell me a story. And and, like, I love Ella's stories. Like, I I really do. But, like, when I'm my mind is not focused on, like, the intentionality
of things that I know to be important, then everything's an irritant. Everything is not what I wanted to do at the time, and so it's automatically an irritant to me. So, like, if I had no discipline in anything I was doing, what I wanna do right now is go straight to bed. And anything that stops me from doing that, even if it's a good righteous thing, I'm irritated by it. You know what's interesting? I that's weird that you brought that up because now that I think back on it, I find that I am most irritated with being interrupted from unintentional things. Yes. Like, you would think that things that you really want to do that are good things that you wanna do intentionally to be interrupted from those would cause you consternation. But I find that that's the exact opposite. If I'm jacking around looking at Facebook too long or whatever or just not doing the thing that I probably should be doing at the moment, I am the most irritated when I'm interrupted from that thing
than if someone said, hey. Stop raking the garden for a minute. I I need you to do something. And I'm like, oh, okay. You know, it happens. So I it's like a whole bucket of crapola. Like, it's the we already you're already being unintentional, and then I'm irritated about being interrupted by unintentionality.
Yeah. I think, actually, I think that holds true for me as well. I get irritated if I'm interrupted while I'm playing a game on my phone or something. But, like, in the middle of bible reading, if, like, one of the kids come up and ask me a question, I'm not irritated at all. I'm like, what's up? Yeah. And, like, that's important to me. I I set it part time aside to do it, and it doesn't bother me it gets interrupted. But, like, the just sitting around doing nothing or spacing out or just watching TV and you're like, ugh, what do you want? Right. You know? That is true. Interesting. Okay. So so I think then it seems like it's it is possible. Like and and then to Dan's point, like, you're able to get a salt like, fifteen minutes of bible reading, right, or committed prayer every morning, even if the rest of your life is a bit of a dumpster fire,
there is totally an advantage to that. I I it seems like that it may start to follow, but it doesn't always have to follow that the rest of your life comes into sort of some semblance of order. But then also, there are some people or or personalities of which it it seems like it does burn hot or cold. Like, either you've got everything under control and it feels right or, like, the whole thing kinda falls apart, and it's very difficult to hold on to even particles of sand.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We we tend to feel like, like, I've gotta pray for an hour and a half where it's nothing. You know? And it's like Mhmm. Or, you know, I've gotta have a depth in-depth bible study or it's worthless. It's like, just get up and read it. You know? Just yeah. Yeah. Because the thing is, though, is, like, if you're not living with any type of intentionality, then everything owns you. Right? Everything's a chain. And so, like and my wife always tells me this, like, it's great advice and I never follow it. But she's like, why don't you stop telling why don't you stop letting your work decide what time you get up in the morning? Right? Like, if you if you ball out of bed in enough time to put some clothes on and get out the door, like, you got up because work told you to, not because you wanted to. You didn't start the day because you wanted to start the day. You started the day because your work told you you had to. That feels like a chain. I'm like, yeah. That's a word. That's right. That is a word. So and so, like, it's it's true. Like, because without any type of intentionality, you literally just wait for the next chain. And and most more likely, your pharaoh that come rolling by is your phone. Right? That's non intentional living. Now intentionally,
that's the heart of the conversation, especially when technology comes in. My kids always yell at me about this, but technology is a chain if you let it be. Otherwise, it's an extremely helpful tool. Mhmm. Like, seriously, if you're living with intentionality, you can fix just about anything on YouTube. Right? No problem. But, like, if you're not living with intentionality,
you'll sit there and watch YouTube shorts about some dude that ran into a frying pan eight times in a row. You're like, this is so adding to my life. Look at that dude. He got in with the pan. You know? And so, like and then you just wasted maybe it's not wasted is the wrong word, but, like, you let it it changed you. You went there because YouTube went there. You're not like, show me frying pan videos. You know? Like, you got there because someone else drug you there. Actually, I I was thinking about this. Like, last week is the had you know, you read about people who go, hey. If you spend, what is it, a thousand hours doing something, then you're supposed to have some level of expertise in it or something. And I thought, like, well, what am I an expert in? What expertise have I gained over the last ten years have I spent a thousand hours? Well, I searched the auction websites. Is this an expertise that I want?
I can scroll Facebook and see the life updates of, you know, random people who I'm not gonna interact with. I I may have spent a thousand hours over the last ten years doing that. It it like, is that what I wanted? I could've think of all the things I could've been doing with that time. Like, I've become an unintentional expert in crap I don't need to know. And I'd I have I have no no virtue in knowing or being able to do. And so, like, that was depressing because I thought, like, I'm behind. I could have been rolling into hour eleven hundred or twelve hundred on something that was wise, and instead, I'm fifteen hundred hours in. Who's this guy? I don't even recognize that guy. Did we go to school with that guy anyway? He's having a kid. I wish you probably prayed for him. Like, okay. Don't count. Yeah. I yeah. Go ahead, Bubba. This may be,
I don't know, tangential, but I think when I when I think through discipline and and habits and things like that, what it feels like is my disciplines and the things that I make habits are a direct reflection of what I care the most about. And I can tell you with almost absolute certainty that I have probably missed less than 30 meals
in the last fifteen years of my life. Mhmm. Easily. Like, I don't miss meals. Right? I always eat. I make certain it's taken care of. Right? It is very intentional for me to be very focused around the things that I care about the most, and food has always been that for me. We've talked about that on many occasions. Not gonna, you know, beat that horse anymore, but I can't count how many times I've gone weeks or months without opening my bible, without without praying,
other than praying for a meal in front of someone that I think is gonna judge me if they don't, or praying with my wife because I know I kinda have to, stuff like that. But, like, what I'm disciplined in is directly reflecting on what I care about in those moments. And what
I see is when I'm disciplined about things that are spiritual for me, a lot of stuff falls in line. If I put my heart to be set on an interaction with God, all the time, whether that's through my Bible reading, whether that's through intentional prayer, whether that's worship time or just sitting around
glorifying God with my thoughts to be thinking about things that I'm just thankful for him giving me, right? Everything else kind of starts to fall in line because things are right sized, because as I'm focused on my God and my relationship with him and I'm focused on the identity that I'm supposed to have through him and that life that I'm supposed to be living that's meant to be glorifying to him and calling out his name in the throne room at all times, things just fall in line when I'm when I'm acting that way. I'm not, habitually
eating like crazy or snacking for no reason or going out to eat stupid stuff. I'm not, constantly taking in things that that I shouldn't be taking in, whether that's, you know, struggles that pretty much all dudes have, whatever you wanna call it. It it really is indicative of what I'm I'm focusing my time on and what I care about, and those other things just fall in line. Because as I'm reading through and trying to find God, I I it's difficult for me to be self sabotaging Mhmm. The whole time because if I'm focused on him, I'm less focused on me. It also ties back to Mike's point about, you know, who what are you gonna bind yourself to? Mhmm. Who's who is your master?
And I think that that sums it up. You know? You can't have two masters. So, no, you can't be disciplined and disciplined, undisciplined, double disciplined. You think about it, the disciplines that are things we think of normally in the spiritual disciplines, prayer, fasting, solitude, study, meditation, so forth, those are all
uncomfortable for us. They're not natural. Solitude, I wanna be with people. Interesting. Quietness, listening, I wanna speak prayer, or I'd rather go out, I'd rather be on YouTube. Whatever. It's all against our nature. So when we go purposefully against our nature and focus on God in those areas,
it brings more results. We're laboring in our faith, so to speak. Yeah, not hard. You say it's not hard? I mean, they're simple tasks. They're hard to accomplish.
They're not difficult to do for the most part. I was thinking about this this morning. I woke up this morning to go to the gym, blah blah blah. And Troy last night was telling a story to my sisters about how to find your way out of a cornfield. And I thought to myself, how how apt is that to to just life? Like, a cornfield could be 400 acres long, but as long as you keep going forward,
you know, you just keep doing the the simple discipline, you just keep going, eventually, you'll find a road. You like it. You're but if you you wander around, kinda goof off and do whatever you're doing, you know, then you just circle your your cornfield for the rest of your days and die in the corn, and you never find the road. Yeah. I don't want don't wanna die in the sad. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It We learned that as kids. It really is a call, like, to like, just
live with some intention. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like Yeah. Yeah. Stop stop letting stop choosing lazy pharaohs. You know what I'm saying? Like, chain yourself to something. If you're gonna if basically, the the whole invitation of of God's invitation is is I I wanna invite you to be in relationship with me. And when you're in relationship with me, that's ultimate freedom. It means you're chained by nothing. Right? You are you are voluntarily following the king. And, like, you get the you get the glow of being around the savior of the universe and the master of all creation. And you get to stand there. If he didn't drag you there, you weren't forced in there. So all of it is freedom.
Right? And so if you think about everything that you are letting blow you around by the wind, like, that's a chain. And so you start looking around your life and going, Chain. That thing's chain. That don't look like freedom. That looks like a pharaoh. Right? Like, you you start to get embarrassed on how many things you changed yourself to. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. Hey, Ben. How did you just take a go? I was dominated by YouTube. Yeah. It had its way with me and left me on the side of the road crying. I got kicked to the curb by Doctor Pepper. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. Because I could have passed by it, and I didn't need it. Water was available. And I said, I'm gonna I'm gonna be late to work because I want that Doctor Pepper. I stared down a vape pen and lost. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, because it's easy to pick the the the the big ones. Right? Like, because society already agrees with you. Smoking's no good. You can't drink too much. You stay off hard drugs. Don't take Adderall that don't belong to you. Whatever. You're like, these are these are all big chains. You know? But, like, God isn't trying to get you to trade a dark, grimy, moldy chain for a shiny chain. Right? Like, he's not like, use this nicer looking chain that's called exercise.
Right? You'll use this this this other chain that's called health. Right? Like, it's he's talking about freedom from all of it. Right? And you can be intentionally healthy and you can be intentionally exercising, and you can be intentional on reading the works of modern philosophers or painting a picture. Right? All these things God has given to you as freedoms. Right? But he goes, don't chain yourself to them. Don't do that. Right? Don't let it own you. People have traded like, that's why the programs where people trade hard drugs for, like, healthy living, then they end up worshiping healthy living. Right? And, like, it's it's good for you. That's true. It's good for your body, but, like, not if it owns you, not if it dictates your life like the holy spirit's supposed to be doing. Right? Mistake. That's a chain. Yep. Yeah. God's the only master that won't fail you. Alright. You're listening to live from the path. Let's let's give out some advice. Okay. Ready? Yep. Dear, live from the path. Uh-oh.
Was looking up idle hands are for the devil. Devil's workshop. Classic. Here we go. Just looking up the phrase? Yeah. Because I was just trying to think, like first of all, I'm like, is that even in the Bible? Turns out it is. It's in the Proverbs. And then I thought, does that hold weight to this conversation? I think it does. Because idleness produces chains, really. Anyway, Dear Life from the Path. Path. Yeah. I need background vocals. Dear Life from the Path. Path.
Every time I leave the house, my wife needs a play by play as to where I'm going, how long I'll be away, etcetera. Classic. Years ago, I used to be a player, but age has caught up with me. Oh, boy. Advice? Wait. That's it? That's the end? Yeah. Dude gets right to the point. Hey. You know what's interesting is, like, the way that he tells it is that the only reason that he's not still a player is because his age is stripped of him. Yeah. Exactly. I feel like his wife is well served being suspicious of him. If I felt better. Yeah. You have you have earned no trust, sir, at all. Yeah. Your wife has every right to be to be asking where you're going. Yeah. In fact, you should look at it as a gift that she wants to know where you're going. Right. Because that means she gives two craps about you. You're darn lucky she even cares anymore. Yeah. I would give her full details, not in a snarky, terrible way.
I would be upfront Yeah. And and definitely share every bit of thing you think she should care about. Because what do you freaking care? You should have no care in the world at all. Plus, it's fun to give a play by play. Yeah. That's why they made Snapchat. I'm right here. Yeah. Just hang by your phone, woman. I'll snap you. Dan, that's awesome. It is the most wholesome way to take in Snapchat. A notoriously terrible thing. Dan goes, no. It's an easy way to update my wife to where exactly where I'm at. I guess I'm not familiar with the I love that. Terrible things. That's that that makes me happy. Buying panko breadcrumbs. Put myself a little dog filter. Yeah.
I don't find this unreasonable at all. No. Like, this is a society thing. You should tell your wife whatever it is she wants to know. Yeah. If she decides that she doesn't wanna track your every move five years from now because you behaved yourself and been openly and open and transparent, well, then fine. That seems like a real boon to you. But and up until then, and even if it doesn't show up, she has every right to ask this because you've been in a notorious lothario, and, she does not trust you, and that's correct. And you know what? Take go ahead. Oh. I was talking. In any of his words there. There there there's no regret. Yes. Yeah. I was gonna say, you know, this is an opportunity for you to to love your wife so much by becoming someone she can trust. Yeah. Like, legitimately, what a blessing on your marriage if you give her so much detail and so many play by plays of exactly where you're going and who you're hanging out with to the point where she just feels so much love and trust in your relationship and feels safe. Maybe that's her relationship you. Having a conversation. He's feeling guilty for his past. Right. Exactly. Yes. Like, there is there is a there is a beauty
to a relationship when you get to a point where you can give so much honesty that that person can flip that off and go, I'm not worried about it. I feel so safe and so trusted in in this situation that, like, go off, do what you need to do. Yeah. I'm fine. I And it's amazing. Yeah. I think, like, his his ability to make his wife feel like she's domineering and controlling left when he portrayed himself as a man who needed to be controlled. Yeah. Yeah. And so, like, if if you can change your actions and situation, and maybe we could focus on your lady. But right now, it seems justified. Yep. Secular says, I find it disappointing that you've only stopped cheating because time and not your conscience finally caught up with you. Oh, yes. Secular. Tell your wife what she needs to know. It's the price you are paying to regain your credibility and her trust. Holy cats. That was a left hook. Is there any hope? I mean, how many years has it been? Like, some it's like, ah, this And here's the thing. It's like, I've watched Those are the emotions. Dudes do this time after time. And, like, they they acted a fool, and then, like, they put in a good six months, and they're like, my wife is still questioning me. She still wants to know what's going on here, blah blah blah. And, like, you need to know she don't owe you any of that. She don't owe you the trust that you ruined. She don't owe you any of those things. Right? Like, you should be so lucky to have a woman that has continued to stick with you and you will, to the end of your days, pledge that you will say whatever you wanna know. My phone's an open book. I'll tell you where I'm at. I'll turn location on on my phone. Whatever you wanna know. Whatever you wanna know. I because I've people don't have anything to be be ashamed of. Right? If you're not up to anything funky, I don't care if people know I stopped at the fairway.
It's just not a big deal. It shouldn't ever be a big deal. So, like like, in a even in a healthy marriage, I still don't find that to be oversharing. Your wife asks you a question, you answer. This is why I don't like secret bank accounts and why I just all that stuff seems just a just a second level opportunity of chains to me. Like, you are chaining yourself to something that is not freedom. Truth is freedom. And so you should be able to hit the unvarnished truth most of the time unless she's accent asking about outfits or weight. Otherwise, you, sir, are just gonna be a blank slate open statement. Outfits or weight? How do I look in this outfit? Yeah. Wait. Yeah. You you it's okay. You can put the varnish on it. Yeah. Interesting. Hey. Do you think I've gained weight? No. I don't think so. Okay.
Alright. What's next, Mike? Particular says, Ova is terrible. Got him. Dear life from the past. Dear life from the past. My 23 year old daughter and her first and only boyfriend have begun to talk marriage. Although I think he's a wonderful, smart, compassionate young man who seems to adore my daughter, I have one major concern, his unhealthy habits. Mhmm. When my daughter introduced him to us seven years ago, he's a little overweight.
Since then, I've watched him pack on at least 25 pounds a year, and now he's morbidly obese. His diet is horrible, and he never exercises. He also drinks and smokes, although not excessively. My daughter, on the other hand, is petite, athletic, and clean living. Her habits haven't rubbed off on him. I know enough about weight gain and health to be deeply concerned about the trend I'm seeing. Her boyfriend is fast approaching the super wow. We got a lot of adjectives here. Super morbidly obese range and has limited mobility. He graduated near the top of their college class but hasn't had a stable job since. I'm afraid it's only only get only gonna get harder for him to get hired in the future. What's making me even more upset is my blindly in love, naive daughter seems to have lost interest in pursuing a career of her own and is thinking this guy is gonna take care of her. She has no clue that her boyfriend's the one who's likely to need taken care of before long, and she's going to find it mighty difficult to both work and care for a man who towers over her and weighs nearly four times what she does. So far, I haven't said anything about this. I'm happy my daughter has found someone who's kind, funny, and loving, and whose family is so welcoming to her. I don't want her to lose this guy. I just want them to get on a better track. I think they both need a reality check. Did I say something, or is it not my place? Is there any chance that person is from Pittsburgh? No. There's no Just wondering. There's no Pittsburgh Pittsburgh written here. Okay. I I I know Buvis can speak to to this problem, but I'm a I'm just gonna say this right off the bat. You're wearing a pair of glasses that only sees this man's weight, and and you might be letting this overflow
a little bit. I I think he's got his own stuff going on, and I think you should probably give your daughter a little bit more credit than you're currently giving her. Obviously, the fellow probably could use I don't I you're just not the right person to have this conversation with him. He's not unaware, right, that that these things are happening to him.
Hoover. I mean, anybody else can talk to No. You you pulled up on the microphone like you had a thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. You're not gonna like my answer, or you might. I don't know. Maybe Mike from five years ago might not like it. Go. There's something going on in that dude's life. Yes. Like, there's some serious stuff that's happening. Come on. People don't just put pack on that level of weight for no reason. As someone who is and has been for the better part of the last fifteen years
super morbidly obese. That's not actually a category. It is a category. Yes. It's there's, like, super morbidity or excuse excuse me. Super super morbid obese is, like, I think, two hundred plus pounds overweight. Oh. But that that's not the important piece. It doesn't matter if you're fifty pounds overweight. Like,
there are things behind that, especially if it comes with situation where he doesn't have a job, is possibly very intelligent Yeah. At the level that he graduated with in college, but then is not willing to apply it. There's probably a lot of depression that goes along with that because with that level of intellect and that lack of discipline and actualizing on that intellect, that comes with a lot of depression of not thinking you're either worth the time of day or that tomorrow's worth even trying for. And so I think that that's conversations that you as as the mother of your child can bring up to your daughter that, hey. Just a heads up. Like, I love you. And before you make a decision that is
forever like marriage, you need to take these kind of things in consideration. In no circumstances should you be the one that contacts your possible future son-in-law and goes, hey, by the way, we've been noticing how you've been gaining 25 pounds plus a year since we've met you seven years ago. We know about your job situation whatsoever. You have every right to be a concerned parent of a single child currently.
That's where that stops, though, because, one, your child's gonna make the decision that they're gonna make. It's the same situation it's always been. They're your kid. You can do everything you can to influence them for good things. You have certain levels of control, but that control is used to teach them how to make better decisions, not to make decisions for them. And so there's a perfect understanding or a perfect level of understanding that you can give in loving your child, suggesting therapy for both of them, because therapy for her may very well get her to a point where she starts looking in a different perspective at her prospective spouse. Marital or premarital counseling about what kind of things do you value, how you handle grief and loss in your life, how do you handle when stuff goes tough with your budgets and things like that because that guy, if he's being honest in those conversations, is gonna have to go, well, when I'm really stressed, I eat, and I'm stressed all the time, and these are things that are symptomatic of that that inner depression or whatever you wanna call it. Doesn't have to be clinical diagnosis. But just realize that your responsibility as mom is to your child. You have every right to be protective, but you are not the one who makes the decisions for them, and you are certainly not the parent over the other guy. Would it be different
change out his weight from for marijuana use? So, like, as a coping mechanism, as something that keeps him from meeting his feels like academic potential. Yeah. He's smoking marijuana.
Well, what what what if it's the opposite? What if he lost a bunch of weight? Right? To where he's, like, weak and frailish. Oh, yeah. Like, right. The concern is, like, dude's dropping 25 pounds of of a year, but not, like, what appears to be in a healthy way. Yeah. These are all physical manifestations of something underneath. Yes. And that's that that that was the point I was getting at. Yes. Is that, like, I I like there's something I think the point is salient to say, do you wanna make sure that your kids are have a have context, have potential thought beyond their current situation?
Because, like, whether it's whether it's drug use, whether it's massive weight loss, unhealthy weight loss, or unhealthy weight gain, there are consequences to that Right. To the person that you care about, to the relationship that you're in, to children that you're going to have, to the stability of your home, to the the motion the emotional stuff that comes along with that that that cause bumps in in your marriage that don't have anything to do as to whether you love each other or not. Right? These are all contextual things that you need to be prepared for and mindful of and probably consider, not as like change this or we don't marry, but because we both want a healthy marriage,
we have to figure out what, like, what's going on here and what that looks like for our lives in front of us. Like, if you're not talking about those things, you're doing a disservice to what you purportedly think about each other. And so I'd like don't get so hung up on the weight gain. Just pick just pick anything. And, yeah, you you you need to work through that and don't presume that our love will be enough. It doesn't have it. Like, people pit people pit that up against it. And in fact, like, a lot of guys will pit this up. Like, once I'm in this situation, I will give up the drinking. I will give up the looking at these things. I will fellas, it just like,
one out of a 100 guy does that end up being true because not a love problem. And frankly, it puts relationships in a really funky position when you pit your love up against something that's more complicated than that. And so you gotta you just have to be so careful, and now's the right time to be talking about it. Now's the right time to be transparent about it. Now's the time to say, look, if we're in this together, let's be in this together and start having these conversations now. I I and I think it's I think it's okay. I think it's okay as a parent to be transparent. Say, look. These are the things that I'm that I'm thinking, that I'm worried about, and I need because I love you, I'm going to say them out loud.
I think Boob was right. You can't make that decision for them, but it's like Neither one's gonna be surprised. No. Right. Exactly. Yes. Right. I'm over. No. I didn't I didn't wake up today like this and go, like, that's not a That's how that goes. Yeah. Yes. That's right. It's good to be I I just love you guys. I wanna have yeah. So my oh, I hope I'm not telling too much here with this, but, know, whatever. My in laws did something that at the time was one of the most infuriating things that's ever happened to me in my life.
But now that I look back and I have prospects of having kids, it is one of the most loving things I've ever seen someone do. So before my wife and I got married, we were engaged, I was living in Pittsburgh, I was living in a basement to for for a month before I got an actual apartment. I didn't have a steady job at the time. It was actually the only time I'd ever been fired in my life,
was at this dumb job that I got when I moved to Pittsburgh. And, they came to us and said to her, not me, that they wanted to talk about postponing the wedding because they did not know how well I was going to be able to financially take care of her
as I did not have an apartment. I hadn't bought a car yet moving out there. I had just gotten fired from my job. I didn't see any problem. Right. Exactly. And at the time, I was like, this is the first time I've ever been in this scenario that you've known me for years. I've never been fired from a job before. I've never been in a situation where I didn't have a car for less than, like, a couple of weeks, and, like, I've never not had an apartment. I've been in I've had a place to live every day for my entire life. Like, I've never had that problem, and it was infuriating. I was like, how dare you try and postpone this and, like, degrade me as a person in this situation? Looking back at it, and I I felt that way for about a day. It wasn't a long period of time because I finally took a step back and started praying on it. But when I came back to them, I talked to my wife about it, my fiance at the time, and said, hey. Tell them this. I have a budget plan for everything. I've already got another job lined up. We've got an apartment set up. I've got a car in the works that we've got money for, all these different things. And it was what it was on me for was articulating that I had planned, that I like, I'd thought through this stuff, and there was no gonna be no situation in which, I would let that falter. I would do whatever I needed to do to get that done. But the fact of the matter was is they, looking at their daughter,
loving her, did not want to put her in a situation regardless how much she loved me that they felt was unsafe, and was just a general bad life choice for her to go from living in a house, not having any of these problems, to handing her over to me in marriage, and then immediately her going into squalor. Mhmm. And, again, I was furious for about a day because I was like, how dare you try and demean me as a man? But then I was like, dang it, dude. Look at this. This this is your in laws someday, and they love their daughter so much that this is something that they're willing to be probably terrified to say,
but we're willing to do so. Awkward. I do have those conversations, though. I was like, here's here's some blind spots you may not see. I said, I'm not telling you not to be together. I'm just saying, have you thought about these? Yeah. Here are some potential issues. Here are potential outcomes of that. As long as you're going in with your eyes wide open, I'm blessed in this thing. Yeah, it's education. But have you thought this through? Yeah. Were don't know, as far as I don't know, no was mad at me, but I didn't care because I didn't want it five years later going, I This was the worst mistake of my was like, Well, Mhmm. You know? Oh, I wish I would have said. You you know? Right. And so there's a realm for that. It's understandable for you to be protecting your child. Yeah. It it's understandable for you to be giving advice from your
perspective that they may may not have and be willing to give them a a view from the outside looking in that they may be too close to see. Hey. I I even I said a few things to the I have two daughters to the to the fiance saying, hey. Here's what you may not know about my daughter. You know? Yeah. I mean She puts her hair against the the shower wall, and it sits there like a weird wig. Telling you. I mean, you know, just so you know what you you know, you're I did not get into weird stuff. I mean, just like Right. You you know? I think that's right. I think from their perspective like, you always think when two people are getting married, like, they're both on their way up. And it's hard to, like, marry your daughter, like, to a dude that in your estimation appears as if he's on his way down. You know? You're like, you're declining from this point of view. And, like, you're right. And, like, and and and Boova's right. Like, there's a lot there could be a lot going on with this guy. You didn't explain any of his family background Yeah. Or anything that he's struggled with or anything that's going on in his life. So you may actually know the source of this thing, and he's not processing it well. You know? Here's what I will say, though. If if he thinks he's man enough to get into a marriage but is not man enough to to take a step back and and start fixing this stuff now before he's into that, he's he's gotta take a look at himself too. Right. And you do wanna know that because, like, there is a difference between someone who is who is is fighting and trying Yep. And putting effort towards something and someone who's given up. Given up. Yep. Yeah. And, like, you can it's you can in a in a marriage, you can fight alongside someone who's fighting something, but you cannot carry that for them. And, like, that is not an equal yoke. That is a mistake. It's a like and if if that can change, then maybe your situation can change. But, like, don't enter a marriage thinking this situation is gonna change because we're married or that I can change them. That is something they have to do under their own willpower.
Segler says, talk to your daughter about your concerns, all of which are valid. Your daughter should not put her career on the back burner because, as you have pointed out, she may need it. Make sure she understands that her boyfriend's choices will not affect only her future, but possibly her children's. So this serious subject, you will bring up only once. If this romance does progress to marriage, and I wish them a long and happy one, they should make estate planning in priority just in case. When love is in the air, we all expect a happy ending, but all too often, fate intervenes. Stop that. The heck. Estate planning. Make sure you got a good life insurance policy for fat sales. Everyone should, I guess. That's what secular just said. Fatty fatty no friend's gonna have a heart attack. Better make sure you get the supplemental life insurance. Your ship could come in Okay. And bomb But she Better make them wheels clear. She said sometimes fate intervenes. That's not fate. No. That's McDonald's. McDonald's. That'd be cool if McDonald's started writing on the side.
Seal your fate. We've got some life insurance. Responsible for rising comorbidities. Why hasn't McDonald's McDonald started selling life insurance policies? I mean It might catch on both ends. It might catch the wrong vibe. Yeah. Yeah. A little too on the nose. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When you order the double quarter pounders three rounds, they go, sir, your rates are going up. Right. Exactly. I feel like that's good data for them to have. Yeah. They're the right people. That's true. Give me your phone number. John, how many McDoubles were were on your credit card last month? 47. Yeah. Okay. No. Your premium is is skyrocketing this month. Thinking about this right. People don't stop eating McDonald's fast food. They don't stop eating fast food because McDonald's is their life insurance carrier. They start eating at Burger King so that McDonald's doesn't know that they're eating that much fast food. They're all the same kind. I'm a stop buying pizza for the youth group because my health insurance rates are gonna go way high. Oh gosh. I hope no one in America grabs ahold of that and starts making that happen. Alright. You're listening live from the Path. Thanks for hanging out with us this week. We really do appreciate it. Do not forget (515) 517-0085.
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