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the AI? I will tell you that one of the things I can't do it at this scale yet, but I have it in my mind that I want to basically create it as an expert on Life From The Path, so like feed it all of our past episodes and then be able to ask it questions. Like, I'd be super curious the AI perspective is if you digested all of our shows for the last, whatever, thirteen, fourteen years, whatever it is, and said like, give me the core notions of their theology. Like, what does life from the past believe? I'd be super curious to That'd what interesting. Comes

Yeah, yeah, just questions like things that you're that you're probably not good at being self aware on, if you were asked, it's not a neutral party, but like it comes it doesn't bring anything to the table that you bring when trying to self analyze. And so I'd be so curious, like, hey, how many times does Ben on average say the word like in a given podcast? I would be so disappointed. Yeah, I wouldn't want to see that. And it would be and is so it trending? Like, put it on a put it on a chart and show me number of likes per episode over the last eight to ten years. I that'd be great. As the hour goes on, do you do it some more? Yeah. That's right. Does it does it get worse? Because it gets punchy? I'm getting tired. Like you know? Okay. Here's what I got. We got a couple random we just got a few articles,

and I don't know if we'll go through the whole thing. They're more just kind of curious anecdotes, and I think we'll give some advice. And I'm not gonna promise to get out of here fast because we don't do it, but maybe if I don't promise it, it'll happen, and we can let you go. So there was an article on the Christian Post and it

was titled Missing Heaven and it was about what would it take for you to become a Christian. This guy says, That's how I start any discussion with someone who says they don't believe in God or is embarking on a conversational critique of Christianity with me. Before wising up to throw out that opener, I used to previously rope a dope with skeptics who would do their best to pepper me with all sorts of zingers and various obtuse questions which they wrongly thought put a bullet in the Christian faith. I was actually thinking about this earlier today. I thought there was someone who said, You know, I don't believe in

God, especially someone who used to believe and doesn't believe anymore. And I feel like I'd be super curious, Like, this is gonna sound bad, but I thought, Hey man, can you convince me? Because think of how much of my life I get to just live however I wanna do if

it were true. And so, I mean, something has compelled them and I say, I'd be curious, knowing what you knew, having been someone who followed Jesus, my lands, what was it that convinced you? Because maybe I could also be convinced. And the reality is, is that like I've always approached conversations like that coming kind of from this direction, right? Hey, here's all the things I know to be true. Bam, bam, bam, bam, But then I thought the way more interesting question is in light of all the things of someone who did follow Jesus, like, I'm curious, what's the key thing that convinced you? Because I'm pretty confident I've heard all of them and they weren't convincing to me and so what

am I missing? I'd be interested to hear it. I think the Holy Spirit hits different people at different times with different things. That's probably why there's no like, oh, you know, when they hit that one story or that one scripture, that did it. Yep. You know? Yep. I don't know. So this guy says, let's see, today I bypass all that and get to the heart of their unbelief. Just ask them what it would take either unmasks a cynic who has no interest in real dialogue or forces a contemplative person to roll up their opposition into a summary that we can begin to address. I remember we

had the opposite conversation, I want to say like a year ago. Like, what would it take for you to give up on Christianity? Dan's was the body. If you could find Jesus' body, that would do it. And so this is kind of going the other thing I click, I don't love it because it feels like a sales like, what would it take to get you in this Bloomer savings You place,

know what's weird, though? Like, I just happened to be watching We The Kingdom does a good version of the goodness of God, but they don't you can't listen to it on Amazon or Spotify or something. You gotta go watch the YouTube video. It's the only place where it's available. And, like, I got distracted in the comments because they were all, like, these amazing stories of people like, I wasn't really a believer in God, but I turned to him when this happened or my kid was in the hospital or they gave me cancer and they said I had cancer and I had, you know, two months away. That's way worse if you go to the hospital and they give you cancer. Taking cancer Or like, I was a heroin addict and I was in jail and I met Jesus in my life. Now I'm all this. You know what I'm saying? And like, it was 3,200

comments of like stories. And I just think that I don't know. Like, there's just not enough of that.

Like, we just don't have exposure to it. Like, remember we were talking about putting an app together ten years ago of, like, just people's stories. Like, every day, someone else's story on how they came to know Jesus. And for every Enoch fella that I know that, like, grew up in the church, stuck with it, like, persevered through, there's there's gotta be double the amount of people that just came from this wildness, you know? Mhmm. And and you forget, right? Like, from the Enoch perspective, like, you're just like, even when I don't feel it, I'm gonna be obedient. Even when my faith is feel like the tank is a little bit low, like, I know this is true. My feelings don't get to count. I'm gonna you know? But then like these folks, like, God showed up using exactly that medium. Mhmm. Right? Like, just that exact, you know, like, where you felt the power of the Holy Spirit, where your feelings did turn a thing and it did make you see something in a correct way. And so, like, it's just interesting that that,

you know, the logical arguments or sometimes the fallacies that they like to put together as a rebuke against Christianity or it's all this, but, like, there's so many, like, exact opposite stories that you never get to hear. You never like, there's just so many people who I I don't remember how many folks God has changed their life drastically, you know? And it's funny in your own life, you you start to weigh and measure in your worst moments, you forget how big those moments were. Uh-huh. You know? In your best moments, you're like, these are the only moments I have. These are fantastic, you know? And so it just having this encouragement

of people pouring into that kind of stuff, like, almost makes some of this back and forth pithy arguments moot. You know what I'm saying? Meet a guy and then don't see him for ten years and come back and meet him again after he met Jesus and, like, just seeing the difference in the person themselves. Like, whatever argument you're gonna put out didn't matter. Yeah, yeah, it's one of those things where, you know, when

the stuff you start calling into question about, Hey, okay, scriptures themselves are old, know, I didn't see it personally, all the things that people start getting tangled up on. And then you gotta do, look, what about Dave? If in your worst moments of skepticism I go, you know, none of that, I can't hold and touch any of those facts,

But the implications, like, what am I gonna do with Dave's story? What am I gonna with the Nelsons' marriage? What am I gonna do with all these people over here who gave up their lives and now live in Malawi with 15 children? Like, what am I like, that they actually it's it's cyclical. It reaffirms each other. Like, I

sometimes, frankly, I find it easier to to to look back and talk about the veracity of the truth that I find in the scriptures. Then sometimes I look around and go, I don't know. I don't know, the way we're behaving, maybe not. Maybe this stuff isn't real, right? Then sometimes I'm like, I don't know, we're like two thousand years separated. Do I believe all this because someone told me to believe it? And they're super convincing and like, it means their whole life to give it up. Like, what would it mean to admit if it wasn't true? It would mean a lot of my identity to admit something like that. And so would you could you hold on to it

even in the face of extreme prejudice? Yes, I bet you could because don't know that I could face a world in which it wasn't true. And so there's a risk to believing something like that. And then I find the things going on around me, I'm like, no, wait a minute, but I can't explain that or that or that or that. Okay. Right? Like it's the, when I need one of those, one of the other things, God has provided them to provide me reinforcements when there's a doubt somewhere in one side or the other. But it's interesting too of how much, and I think this is one of the great risks of growing up in the church, or I don't wanna say becoming too familiar with Jesus because that's not the tone that I want, but like

sometimes the world around us, especially if you grew up in a church or surrounded by people who are following Jesus, is you start to view the world as if the world is that way on its own, but it's that way because of the people who love and serve Jesus, and then what happens is you can come to the conclusion that you just stop giving Jesus the credit. You're like, Oh, they're not good because Jesus helped them be good. Like, people are just in general good. I'm like, Are you sure? Because everybody you know, because you grew up in this infrastructure and with people who love and serve Jesus, they would tell you that their motivations are to love and serve Jesus and that's the way they are. But like, so they get to a certain point and because it becomes normalized

that your society looks like a society that just functions well, you forgot that people are doing this because of the significant influence of Jesus in their lives. Really our culture is there, right? The generation's kind of pushing back with so many of the things. Mean, were some goofy things we've done in the past as a country, it was founded on some biblical principles in many cases

that came from some biblical ideas, and so we were just used to that, and then you separated that from Jesus and people were like, Well, don't wanna do that anymore, so they're flipping everything over, and kinda then I figured they'll only say see what it's like to live with a Jesus less society and go, maybe Jesus, maybe maybe he's got some good attributes. Don't know. I mean, there's a biblical precedence for that. Right? Like, the whole the whole generation goes away that came out of the promised land or whatever. Yeah. Or the whole generation goes away that walked in the promised land, and then they're like,

none of your kids know Jesus. None of the or don't know Yahweh. None of this is is registering. And God's like, it's like this none of this ever happened. And then they're like, the Amalekites are attacking us. God's like, I told your grandpa to take care of the Amalekites and he did not. And so now you're looking at me like, God, where are you? I'm like, I'm the same place I've always been. I told you to get the Amalekites out of here and you didn't do it. It's so interesting, like where I would and have generally push back on some of the descriptions around, hey, like we were founded, inherent to our government is Christian principle.

I just don't think the government didn't have fealty to Jesus. But to Dan's point, freedom itself is if not otherwise guided by people who

have the desire to sacrifice for each other in such a way, who with their freedom desire to live what is a morally guided life with a shared understanding of what morality is. Freedom is super dangerous outside of those things, right? And like you see, because like it's one of the the great conundrums of a free society and we're seeing this even when we talk about people trying to sort out moral goods is when you have my truth, your truth, and there cannot be a weight to it. You're at a you're just at a standstill and someone else's moral truth could be absolute like seller,

basement, nasty version of free out. Like, I get to use people because my moral truth is I should look out for myself. That's how society advances and I could use other people to do that. And like, to the extent that the people themselves are not otherwise,

like America gets the credit, but Jesus was the bond. It's the thing that causes the thing not to go off the rails. Well, why would I give my life for you unless I knew my life had a permanent permanence to it? Yes, that's right. Okay, my physical life will end here, I'm good with Jesus. So if I can help you out, okay, I'll do that because, yeah, I'll be fine.

But if you don't have that, it's like, it is every man for himself. It's like, man, that's really terrible. I wanna video this though while you're going down. I'll get some views. Right. I mean, cessation. And it's moving like that. Like things that where we say, maybe we would call it a reduction in honor, but here's the thing, it's actually a very odd proposition to call someone to a sacrifice that they have no confidence means anything,

right? Honor and sacrifice for someone else for a greater good is one thing. Honor and sacrifice for a perpetuation of something that you find to be destructive is a whole different proposition. I might actually suggest that the problem the military is having with recruiting people, maybe we're not calling them to protect what feels like the same thing we were protecting fifty years ago. I don't know. And that could just a different colored glasses are too far from struggle to get it right. But like, I think it's one of the problems that you have to be able to deal with. Well, you mentioned that. I was kinda thinking as you were saying that that, you know, we just hit a big anniversary for D Day invasion. I thought, mean, who knows what was going through the minds of all those young men

on those last moments knowing this is probably it. I mean, there's no way you can say, Oh, they all Christians, but I can't imagine anyone thinking not wanting to be prepared for eternity. Yeah. Yeah. You you would think at least at that moment that, like, Okay. I wanna be right with God because this is it and I'm I'm just gonna mean something. Yes. I don't know, I'm projecting my faith into them. Yeah, yeah. Well, I

guess that's the other thing is that like once you get separated from things that don't feel, I don't wanna say not real, but like, are we too insulated from

harsh realities or actual realities that you don't have to deal? Like, there's a luxury in going, oh, I don't really have to consider the eternity. Right? Because it's not hitting you that it could happen at at any time. You're not seeing things that remind you of that. You're not seeing things where whether the rains come or they don't come actually has a significant consequence to whether your family survives. And so, like, there's a harshness in reality to the world that like we are inoculated against given our wealth, general position, often on the sacrifice of people, to be honest. And so, it's it's one of those things where people people often complain. They're like, hey, man, that guy's got generational wealth. I mean, but doesn't that mean someone in his family sacrificed

and worked hard to make sure that his family could be provided for? I would want the same thing and so it's a weird thing to be upset about. But anyway, it's curious then to think about like, what does it mean?

How much of what America as a country had such promise was like being shadow supported by basic notions of morality that came from what was mostly a Christian worldview, even if you could make the case, and I think you largely can, that a lot of the initial leaders of America were deists,

they weren't agnostic. They had a belief in a God. Even if they didn't believe that God meddled in human affairs, they did actually agree that God had a prerogative.

There was a moral way of going about something. And that's reflected in a lot of how they framed how we should understand the country itself and the foundations of freedom, like that we were owed it because we were created to be free, like some of that type of stuff. And the minute you lose the underpinning of it, even if it's not an explicitly Christian

doctrine or document, it does actually make some of the principles way more difficult to deal with because we're not bound by a common belief of what is good and what is not good. One quote I'm gonna get to and we'll stop the article because I'm not sure the rest is super industry. He said, Reasons to believe are good. Being a data engineering science guy for decades, I've always found one of the most compelling arguments to be the one from design, and so does Christian author and radio host Eric Metax's.

He says, Unfortunately, many times they aren't enough, especially today with belief in God's truth falling to an all time lows due to all sorts of superficial pretexts. A year old Gallup poll found that belief in God, heaven, and hell is at its lowest point ever, with acceptance of God and heaven being down the most since 2,001. Again, a harsh reminder of reality. While the excuses given for unbelief can be very diverse, many times they boil down to the same things given by people who stiff armed Christ to the flesh two thousand years ago, and this is the quote that stuck with me. They bring to mind what the existentialist philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche once said, It is our taste that decides against Christianity now, no longer our reasons.

And that stuck with me because we often are having what we consider to be a logical argument. Most of the reasons that people are clinging to in rejection of God don't really have anything to do with logic in particular.

Like it's our taste, it's the thing that we want to be true, it's the thing we're enamored by, it's the thing we're in love with, it's the thing that we see ourselves in that are the compelling reasons to reject God, not the objective realities that are around us, not the evidence in people's lives going before us. Although I still think they're powerful and it kinda depends on the person, but I actually found that to be a bit of an astute observation because sometimes people are leaving the faith or rejecting the faith, not because they've weighed and measured,

but because they saw a vision of themselves or the life that they wanted or reality that was in front of them and they simply didn't want it being contested. And maybe I would substitute taste for preference. I don't want it to be true. So why would I spend any time trying to drag it in? Yeah, this is the reality I want. Our ability as humans to get down that path is not a surprise.

75% of the justifications for divorce are that. They saw a different way of their life being and it was just a preference of theirs and so then you start not taking in reality objectively until you get to the thing that you saw. I think the interesting part is like I've always struggled to

look at what the end in mind, right? That I'm gonna live forever with Jesus, it doesn't cross my mind as a thought, you know? And so, let's say that wasn't true, let's say the Bible changed the tune and said, look, your life on earth is it. There's no everlasting heaven for you,

but I'm still calling you to these principles because I say that they're good. Do you feel like you would lose people in the motivation? Because like at the end of the day, Nietzsche that quote's good and right, right? Because I've been suckered in before where I meet people who don't love Jesus,

right? And I'm like, man, they just all the things that I feel like the fruits of the spirit would promise, I feel like they have. And so, now granted, 10 out of 10, it's been a straw man, like it didn't hold, It wasn't over a long haul, or I was only getting

just a look into the window, not an actual sitting down on the couch view, you know, which was is probably the the social media version anyway, you know? But I don't know that even without the promise of eternity that I would want to live my life any other way, like a pursuit of sacrificing for other people, like a pursuit of not having to carry the burden of being selfish and

not pursuing greed and taking care of people. There just seems to be the most inherent joy in world that God's created even without the phrase, Your suffering will come to an end.

I don't know, I feel like I don't I would still choose the life that he's called me to regardless. Yeah. Yeah, it kinda begs the question or like an interesting thought would be, if God said he didn't care

whether you were faithful in your marriage, would you do it? Like, the boundary that God

has put on, hey, you should be one man and one lady. If if there wasn't a moral problem with or at least God didn't speak to it specifically What if there wasn't a punishment to it? Yeah. There's no consequence. What yeah. What if he said, look. You could he's still gonna recommend that you don't. He'd like, he's gonna kindly say, I designed marriage to stay, to be together forever, till the end of your life. That's what I designed it for. But it's not a sin if you get divorced.

If you choose not that, you're not separating yourself from me. There are earthly consequences for that. I still recommend you stay, but it's not a sin. You're not putting your eternity in peril, which, to be fair, is the story of Jesus. Your eternity is not in peril according by your sin anyway. Know what I'm saying? Like, he paid for all this stuff, so it is kinda the same question. I suppose you know what I'm saying? So it's like the consequence didn't come, but it was just God's suggestion on how to live. Yeah. Do you think people are more motivated by the sin and the eternity part of it or God designed it, He's telling you how this thing runs. You should just accept that. I think a lot of people are not motivated that do it just because God says it's good.

I think the constraint of like a longer term thing it's weird because like I don't know a ton of people who are like so focused on eternity, like the deeming of, hey man, like the balance of it's not really a sin but it could have negative earthly consequences. I feel like more people would test the waters for sure. Yeah, think a lot of people lead with, when they're out evangelizing, they lead with,

What happens after we die? Or Where are you going to spend eternity? These are valid questions, but the thing that I've always wanted to say that I've always been too scared to say, but now that I think about it, it's flat out true, Your life will be better. What we always tell people is there's no guarantee your life following Jesus will be easy. That is true.

But I can't even guarantee it'll be better. I actually think I can. Even in your suffering, it's better. Even when we will perceive it as suffering or your giving up of your pride or giving up of your life, you're basically saying, My life is now at the service of other people. What you're saying to somebody who doesn't know Jesus is, so your life might not be better. But I'm telling you, I don't know that I'd want to live it the other way because I watch people who say, I'm living for myself, and they're miserable. Yeah. Like, they act like they're not miserable. They'll tell everybody they're not miserable, but they're angry and they're depressed

and they're and they just they have this they have no peace about them. They'll convince you that they do. They'll they'll present as if they do, but it's a straw man. And so I guess that's kind of the point I was trying to get at is, are God's principles for living without the promise of eternity, are they still the best life on offer here on earth even though you're sacrificing for other people? And like, yeah, I think the answer is still yeah. Yeah, I think they are, but I'm probably different maybe than you guys because I'm pretty sure if there were no

rules against some of these things, I'd be all over it. You give a shot. I yeah. I've had fair I've had fairs every other week. Yeah. I mean, even if that's way it would not what's best for you. It's not a sin. It's just not what's best. Right. Well, because I I I do all kinds of things that I know are not best for me that aren't a sin right now. Also true. I do that. I eat french fries, drink Diet Coke, I mean I don't exercise like I should. Never mind, I'm in Dan's corner. Yeah, yeah, can say the only thing that keeps me morally straight is I know there's a God and I love him and I wanna honor him and there's an eternity. Otherwise I'd probably flirt with all of it. Yeah,

I guess that's the question, is it like if you know, and maybe that's the difficult thing where we're trying to focus on, hey man, God has a design for your life and this is what's best. And if you don't have this overarching thought of a long term consequence

well actually this gets into all the parables after Jesus talks about His return and the guy takes a long time to come back and so they just end up doing what they want. Like this is the actual thing. People have a very hard time holding on to long term boundaries where they feel like they can get away with it or the consequences maybe no one will know or it doesn't matter to the person.

Yeah, yeah, so maybe it is more difficult. I think you're right. I think ultimately you're right. Even if there wasn't a notion of a forever in heaven, if this was the only experience, God's design for it is still best. And I think we can say that even biblically because Jesus says that His burden is light. So regardless of the fact that you will retain a burden, it will be light and you will have His presence and to those things being true,

you know, like, then you I think it's okay to say, look. Your life will be better following Jesus even in the short term. Yeah. I can I can definitely affirm that? I mean, have lived largely by the principles of of of the scripture, and and I I'm so much happier for it. Yeah. I mean, I have a solid family. Everything's great. You know, all this stuff. I don't know that I would have just on my own, just because if it was a good advice. Yeah, If cheating on your wife was like drinking three Doctor Peppers a day, yeah. I mean, it was all the more the consequence.

The thing is, you know it's not though. God didn't be like, Hey, by the way, commandment seven, no sugary drinks. He's like, Look, something's gonna take you out between the age of 60 and 90. If it's gonna be sugary drinks for you, that's what's gonna happen. It's gonna be something else, but it's not that. Maybe you like to rock tobacco leaves straight off the plant. Eat them. I mean, you know what I'm saying? Like like, he he spoke to a lot of things, and, like, a lot of them are relational or heart issues. Mostly relational human to human and then relational him to human, you know? So even if you took the him, the human to him relations out of the 10 commandments, there's still relational relational, right? Like, if it was not a sin but just frowned upon to kill people, you know, God's like, just don't you're not separating yourself from me. It's just not what's best. Like, his ingrained image into humanity,

it wouldn't it didn't take long to figure out that killing a guy is not right. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, no one's like, yeah. Your freedom should allow you to kill whoever you want, and I guess my freedom is just gotta take it in the shorts. Like, no one agrees no one on a basic logic principle. There's no way. You know? Go ahead. I can look back on my marriage, right, and think there's probably a couple times in my marriage where the only thing that kept me there was God saying, you're you're gonna stay there. Yeah. It would have been really easy to go like, you know, and

go a different direction. Now I am thrilled to death that I never did anything stupid, and I never acted on it, and I didn't even give myself a second to think about it because I was, nope, because had there was a boundary, I was like, nope, You're you're just here. You made that choice. We're here forever. Yep. Maybe I'll die and go to heaven. I mean, everything's good. And finally be free of you, woman. Exactly. I mean, you know, and then and then that sounds worse than it is. I mean, it's not like we had a terrible marriage, but but, you know, there's this moments where you're just like, I don't know. And I totally would have gone off a different direction if I didn't know, nope, God said, Don't do that, and so I obeyed him first, I obeyed him first, and then everything fell in line, which made a great life. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And I would say like, there's probably the rare couple of which that has never been the case, but like, feel like most people have gone

through it at least in a half a second thought to go, you know, I don't, I don't know. This is what I thought it would be. Right. I don't wanna have to spend the effort to try to fix whatever all this crap is going on around here. Like, totally. I actually think it's unrealistic to have that not be the case. But, like, it's to your point, without that's the value of this long term someone even in your when you're you're not firing on all cylinders, God did it for you. Yeah. He put a boundary in to go, when you're not at your worst, he's gonna keep you from being your or not at your best, he's gonna keep you from being your I mean, like like, I'll I'll just be honest. Like like, in one situation, it was just pure immaturity on on my end. It was like, I I'd like to go for a boy. We had two girls. I love my girls. Nothing nothing wrong with having girls. Yep. But I thought, man, let's go one more time. Yeah. And it's like, nope. And I'm like, well, I bet there's someone out there who would. Right. Right. Right. You know? I mean, just it goes through your mind. Yeah. And it's like, well, no. That's not how it's done. Not how works. I mean, it worked for Abraham. No. No. Not really. But,

you know, it goes back to obedience. You shut up, Dan. Just shut up. That's right. That's right. Sit down and shut up. No one asked you. Yep. It's like what a what a gift. Right? Yeah. To to have a built in boundary. Because I'm an idiot. Yes. Yeah. And that's the thing, it's like the Enoch never gets well, never, but like it's harder to to quantify the things he saved you from, right, that aren't so obvious, right, like where you didn't have to already be one foot in the casket and he pulled you out to life and then you see the whole thing differently. You know, but like,

it gets lost in the conversation that you never stepped in the casket or you never had to go through those things and like, because of those, you were in a position to actually be able to help other people because you didn't have one foot in the grave already and were throwing your own life away. And these are all just amazing gifts that it's just hard for a human with a very short memory to hold onto. Yeah, I've had that actually where someone's relaying a fight they had with a boyfriend or a spouse or something like that and they're telling the story and in the back of your mind you're like, How in the flying heck did it get to this point? Like, I don't even understand, There's like 15 things to sort out in there and you're like, how did items one through five even make it? Where someone didn't go, oh, you know what? We should do something different with what we're doing. And like, it becomes so hard to sort out people's domestic situations when they have no grounding of Jesus because it's really just a catfight between two people with opinions. And to be honest with you, they're grown adults. They can have their own separate opinions if they want to. And unless they have a fealty to Jesus, I don't own them or conquer them, and I'm not the ruler. So, like, I can't decree that they should think about and they don't like, half the time, they don't wanna think about things differently. They want to what was the phrase? They want their it's due to their taste.

Actually, this the article ended with a different quote by Blaise Pascal and it said, People almost invariably arrive at their beliefs, not on the basis of proof, but on the basis of what they find attractive. Yes, yes, that's exactly right. They start with what they wanted and then you justify it as you go. And you know what's interesting is if you're talking about Nietzsche and you're talking about Blaise Pascal, these are not this century people. Like, so whatever this is, like people's different flavors of whatever they chose and were drawn to over the last two to three hundred years, I mean it's not new. Philosophers of the day recognize the same It's the same human problem as it always has been. Yeah.

Alright. There was another article I thought actually, I wanted to call this to attention. Again, it's kind of one of those things, kind of like reminding that all the stories were like, hey, God has been faithful.

And so there's a story in the Christian Post that Christian mother children ordered by court to convert to Islam. And so there's basically an Iraqi law that says if someone in your family converts to Islam, then the rest of your family has to convert to Islam. And so

this lady's mom, her husband died, so her dad passed away. She got married to a new dude who was a Muslim. And so she converted to Islam.

And now the law in Iraq is that this lady and her children have to convert to Islam. Like they're required. And the husband is too. Otherwise, they can't stay married. And so the lady and the children have to do it. By law, the guy doesn't have to do it. But if he doesn't do it and she does, they can't stay married anymore. And so

it was just an interesting thought. I didn't know where there was such like the formality of this where a lady is trying like is a Christian, she's been a Christian her whole life, to love and serve Jesus and she is provided no particular choice, no choice in Iraq, she has to convert to Islam under punishment of prison. Like her children could be taken away and she could be sent to jail. And so I don't know if there's any particular discussion there. I just, it reminds you

that your existence, like this is completely foreign to me. There's no chance of any of this happening at all in my life. And there's people who are having to deal with kind of stuff like that who need our prayers and where the story and message of Jesus

is sustaining and powerful in her lives in a much different way than the story of message of Jesus is of sustaining thing in my life. So anyway, I just wanted to share it just for kind of round out perspective. Now that there's another Karl Lentz has a podcast. I don't care. Karl Lentz? He was the he's the Hillsong, the New York Hillsong guy Oh, yeah. Who got who got canned for his again, just like Tony Evans and Brian Houston and everybody else, some sort of sexual dalliances.

The one thing that came up in the article was that when he let go, admitted to an affair with a lady. And they're talking to the podcast and he's like, Well, no, it wasn't one. It was like a lot. It's like, okay. And it's curious, where people

Okay, I will say this, one of the cautions in the article is his description. So this was, sorry, for context in case you're listening and you don't remember, Hillsong New York, Carl Lentz was the pastor, he'd grown the church crazy big. It was pretty righteously big.

He was a very, kind of like hipster church pastor. And anyway, at the kind of the height of that, he came under some extreme scrutiny around some affairs and then some domineering behavior similar to the charges that Mark Driscoll had, although Driscoll didn't have any of the sexual stuff. So anyway, he resigns

and he's like off the radar, but not for super long. Like he got hired on, we talked about this a while back, he got hired on to a church as like the evangelism pastor or something like that, six months or so ago. And I don't know, it's not clear he's even still with the church, but anyways, on this podcast. And he said, the lady interviewed him goes, hey, don't you answer me this? Why couldn't you just keep it in your pants? I'm like, it's a great question. Good question.

It was the interesting response, he's like, it wasn't sexual so much as it like, I come from a place of kind of extreme brokenness. And he goes, there's multiple places where you can see this because he goes, it wasn't just affairs, like I was domineering and I was abusing pain medication

and blah, blah, blah. Now, do think there's a reality often with men

that like I mean, is sexual for sure, but it's not always that. It's not always just that. But men are notoriously difficult at expressing themselves. They couldn't tell you what it was. They probably feel like, to be honest, I think a lot of men are seeking you think they're after the shallow thing and they certainly want the shallow thing, but they also want people who adore them and people who think highly of them and build them up and find

that they matter. And so it gets harder the longer you're in a marriage. Sometimes you're less impressed with the person that's around you. Sometimes they're not particularly impressive. Sometimes they gave up. Or sometimes like we just you forget. You forget what enamored you to someone. You got And kinda like the thing we're talking about with Jesus in a culture, because you got used to it, you forgot that you didn't deserve it. Yeah. And that often happens as a marriage. You start nitpicking stuff about people. It's actually this you were thinking when we were talking about

in your marriages and stuff and like, it's pretty normal every once in a while to go, I don't know, man. I remember a time in my marriage where I was so thankful because I was mad, whatever it was, I'm like, it felt like, I don't know, I just don't feel like anybody cares about me around here. And I lined up all the things. Maybe I've said this recently. I lined up all the things that I was all butthurt about. And actually, I mean, some of them probably legitimate actually, but then I thought like, is it possible that your wife feels the same way? Like, hey. You feel underappreciated.

Do you appreciate your wife? You feel like she's ungrateful for all that you do. Have you ever told her how grateful you are for all the things she does? Yeah. But she sucks right now. I'm like, maybe. But, like, in the grand scheme of things here, do you not have a good woman? Does she does she not care for you and love you? And like, does she have room to grow? Of course. And so but like, it was that kind of thing where, you know, the the only I would never it it would none of none of that would ever get prompted for something shallow. Would never leave my marriage for something shallow, but I but I would be reevaluating it for something deep like that. Like, I'm underappreciated. And then you find out that, like, okay. Maybe some of that's true and needs to be worked through, but, like, also idiot over here. Right. Right. I need to go do something about why don't I start there and make sure I feel real good that we're tucked up and that I did my best? Because right now, I'm not making it. Oh, what a wretched man I am. Yeah. Right. And so anyway, I so I so I think there is something to that, and I think there is evidence that, like, hey. That's not the only thing. But I do I do I am I am cautious, I think, at the thought that, like, oh, it just came out of a place of brokenness. Well, yes. And disobedience

because people can be broken. People can have a break in their life. People can have a mistreatment. People can have all kinds of things and not do all the things. And so

just we we risk painting over something that requires work. Not because I necessarily wanna, like, grind somebody down on any particular sin or another, and I think recognizing the source of the things is important. But, like, if you don't recognize

that even when the chips are down and your thing is rough, that like there's a part where you have to still say no or no when you're in the frame of mind to say yes to something you shouldn't, then you won't be able to fend that off the next time it comes. And so I think it's actually still important to go, yes, it came, it was from a massive place of brokenness and disobedience.

And will didn't hold up. I chose to do I think there's a repentance to that and I think there's something still powerful about being able to say not just, Oh, because it acts like it was inevitable. It's that's like, If you are broken, then you will do this thing. I

don't think that's true. I don't think that's right. Otherwise, everyone would always do the same things. And so it did just catch it that it's not a whole story. I believe it's a true story. I just don't think it's a whole story and I think it is valuable for freedom to have that notion

action of taking responsibility and knowing your role in it and the actions that you took in it help you recognize the path the next time you come on it as opposed to going, Brokenness made me do it, which is a risk. Yeah, I think it's impossible

I don't know if it's possible. It's not fair to think that everything that is true about Jesus is gonna be true in your pastor's life all the time. Yeah. Right? But I just have a hard time like, you'd have to be so separate from the work of the Holy Spirit and the presence of God in your life to continue the double ruse for for so long. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, I mean, I've screwed up.

I've had sin catch up to me or I've made a mistake and I don't even know if I could teach youth group that Wednesday. I'm like, I am not the right person for this right now. Right now. Not like God's waiting out a penance for me or He's got this big loaf of things I need to do. He already set me up to be a teacher in that particular arena, and my sin does not disqualify me from that. But there's some times where, like, I'm not in the right my heart's not in the right place, my mind's not in the right place,

I gotta find someone else to fill in for me. I can't go do this. I can't go represent Jesus in front of people today, not because of my brokenness, but because, like, I'm not asking the Spirit to be a part of it. I'm not asking God to show up to His people. And like, because it freaks me out. I don't want to preach the gospel as Mike Foust. He kinda sucks. You know what I'm saying? Like, he'll bow down to the closest person next to him that makes things hard, and he'll go, alright. Well, we don't need to fight. Let's just be friends. You know what saying? I've met the guy. He will bend. Jesus doesn't do that. And so, like, you don't need a me in there. Right? You need a you need a guy that's gonna go, not me, but you. Right? Christ in me. Let's do that. You know? And so, like, I I I can understand that, like, to be fair to pastors, they're just humans, right, with a specific job that God has called them to do. But there's something a little bit disingenuous to be like, look. I was just broken. Well, why didn't you step away from the pulpit five years ago, dude? Right. And get healing. Yes. That's to be like, look. I'm not in the right place. I I need to I need I need time with god. I need time to recharge. I gotta get out of here. But you showed up every Sunday giving these fiery sermons with, like, lots of actions and attitude. You're not morose. You know? You're not up there, like, barely phoning it in because you can't barely hold it together. You're up there running the actors guild. You know? And so I wanna give them the benefit of the doubt here because Running the actors doing? I just want I don't know how you could be so far away from God and still show up on a on a stage and fire you know what I'm saying? Like, what a danger. And that's why as a church of, you know, 40

or 40,000. We hear the names of the big guys, but there's guys in the little pulpits that are doing the same things. I don't know how you sleep. Don't know how you

man, yeah, I don't know. If I could say you're not perfect, but but if you're in rebellion No. That there's there's an arrogance to it. Yeah. Like because here's the thing. It like, if you're if you're leading if you're leading a group of people, then do so through all the things. Like, to to your point, if if you're sensing, you're like, boy, I just I'm feeling I'm feeling rough. I'm I'm my mind is going places it shouldn't. I'm a risk to these people around me. I didn't come say that. Hey, everybody. Here's what I'm I'm gonna demonstrate what it looks like to you on the thing to do. I'm gonna pull myself out of this right now. The elders are gonna do all the stuff while I and help me find what it takes to get me to work through this. No. I've not done anything I shouldn't, but I can smell it. Yeah. I need a renewal of my mind. That's what I need. Yeah. And just and and frankly, fellas, like, you look out on the people and you go, this is what I would expect for you to do. This is what I would have told you to do. Why don't I why wouldn't I do the same thing? Not I persevered through all this risk to me, to you, to the people that I'm harming. For what? Because God needed you? Come on. There's an arrogance to it. And, like, some of it I think is not particularly

like, arrogance always carries a connotation that, you're trying to be arrogant. Sometimes you don't realize that you're coming from a place of arrogance. But, like, it's you should in fact, every Monday morning, you should just write it on your calendar, things to pray about. I am not as necessary as I believe myself to be in most things, but where God has made me necessary, help me give my life to that. And frankly, if as as a leader, you lead even through your troubles, not like in ignorance of them,

but through them as an example, as a way to help other people who are going through similar things. Like, no one is more powerful in ministry than someone who sees the thing you're going through because they went through the same thing and they know what it's like to walk on the other side of it. And so be that for heaven's sakes. Like, yeah, that's a failure. It's a massive failure of leadership because you're counting the wrong thing. There's a lot of different like, I've seen different sections of Christianity look this approach different. Right? Some people are like, You're just gonna bounce from glory to glory to glory to glory to glory, right? Like your life is just gonna go from one glorious thing to another. But like the other half or the other folks that I get probably most of my teaching stuff from is like, Look,

you can't grow that way. That's not how growth happens, right? And so like, even when you're at your worst, like when the Bible says that like his what is it? Is perfected in your weakness. What is it? What's His blank is perfected in your weakness. I'm losing it. Anyway, it's biblical. I'll think of the word. His strength is perfected. I think it's his strength, but I

didn't wanna say it because I pulled it out wrong. That sounds too easy. Yeah, like his strength is perfected in your weakness and like that's straight biblical. So like it's hope for people where like things just look like a garbage dumpster fire at the moment and you're like, look, this is what, when you can approach him in your weakness and then go, this is how we grow, when you realize where you're at and then watch his strength show up, yeah, that's where a growth will happen, right? But if you're just bouncing from glory to glory to glory to glory, your weakness never showed up. Know what I'm saying? So his strength was not necessary. And that seems like an odd thing to hope for, to want for, right? But like the truth is, unless you see

it in truth, either because outside circumstances have put you there or the Holy Spirit just put it on you that like you need to realize that you are not a key to this equation. You are a loved part of the equation, but you are not the fulcrum on which it runs, right? Well, how much hope does that sound like? That sounds great. That means that like, my faithfulness, my faithfulness does not, his faithfulness does not hinge on mine, right? His faithfulness to the thing that he does does not hinge on my faithfulness to him because he's an amazing God, right? And so like, some people will say,

you're not as key to that equation as you think, then you go, well, what good am I? What use am I? Who am I in the kingdom of God? And I'm like, I hear that and I go, the Lord will do regardless of me or not me. I would love to be a part of it, but if it ain't gonna be me, my hope gets to shine because today I screwed up. Does that mean that all the things that I had on my list to do for His kingdom, the relationships I was building or the Bible I was reading or the study I had started or the prayer I was trying to memorize or whatever crazy thing you wanna be doing, when you screw that up, He doesn't take it out on the works that you were doing because his faithfulness is not contingent upon yours. And so that sounds like a hopeful statement to me where I think people in a certain position will be like, I gotta keep doing this. I'm a key to this whole operation. My name's right on the sign. You know I'm saying? I really gotta do that. The people are coming to hear me talk about the gospel. Yeah. You know, actually,

upon that quote you were talking about, it made me think that then the reality would be that if you do not have weakness, then you are running without his strength. You know what I'm saying? Like, if his if his if his if his strength is demonstrated, his power like, the King James says strength. I think some of the modern translations say power is perfected in your weakness. But, like, without your weakness, if you are not finding a place where you recognize a weakness or it's where you're walking in humility, think is is ultimately what it's getting at, then you're running on your own steam. You were it's not his strength that is being perfected in you. And, like, what a serious risk to you, to the world around you. Yeah. Yeah.

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And then, obviously, the episodes will accumulate more and more stuff as they as they go. But, like, anyway, that's that's that's humbling. I I know one of you some of you guys are, like, starting and stopping it in anger, and it counted it, like, 75 plays, but, really, you just hate the show. But thanks for them numbers. Take that. There, Bobby. Appreciate it. Okay. Mike, let's give some advice. Alright. Dear live from the path. Mhmm. I have a friend who, anytime we ate out, if a server tried to take her empty plate and others around her weren't done eating, would stick her hand out to prevent the server from taking her plate. She says it's rude to take a plate when others haven't finished their meal. I think it's rude for her to do that to the server. I have mentioned this to her only once, and we've been friends for thirty years. What do you think? About about what?

I mean, as as a guy who has been a professional dishwasher Mhmm. Let let them take the plate. Yeah. They need the plates. Yeah. They'll let them hand it over. Like, what the heck? What are you doing with it? Like, rude to who? It has nothing to do yeah. It's not like people like, oh, no. She's done. I better hurry or whatever. It's like, no. Then drink your water and shut up. Someone else is hungry. They need the plate. Dear. No. I don't. I mean okay. There's a couple of things going on. One, no. This is not a problem at all. Two, if this is your friend of thirty years, like, first of all, what happened when you brought it up? I'm curious. And

is there is that the reason you didn't bring it up a second time? Or, like I mean, they're still friends. So Yeah. Do you like, And never mention it again. The plate done with you. Yeah. I mean, you obviously can't be that close of friends. You know what I'm saying? Like, I just can't imagine if Muba would have done the same thing. He'd be like, what are you doing? Just give the guy the plate. Right. And it would come up the next time we were out, and I'd go, hey. You still doing that? Because you look like an ape. Yeah. If you're gonna embarrass me, we're gonna go to the we're gonna go to the bandit burrito because they got no plates, and I don't wanna have to do this again. See that table over there with hungry children? They're waiting for your plate. That's right. Man, that's weird. Okay.

Alright. So our our over overall advice is yeah. I mean, this doesn't seem to be oh, wait a minute. No. She she's the friend does it. Yeah. Yeah. Bring it up again. Wow. So your friend is embarrassing everybody. Alright. Segular says, I don't think your friend is rude. According to Emily Post, when a server removes someone's plate before everyone is finished eating, it can leave the impression that those still eating are holding things up, and those who are done can be left feeling that they rushed the meal.

Maybe they have a low self image. Also, you are holding things up. I'm finished. Yeah. We're not leaving because you're still eating. That is correct. Yeah. It's not meant to imply a feeling of burden or guilt either way, but, like, I'm done, and you are not done. What kind of person is so easily pacified that there's the halfway through their salad

and they look over at someone else's plate, which is empty, but still there and goes, well, thank goodness. I'm not holding this up. Ted's Ted's still licking the sauce. It's stupid. I'd feel bad if that plate was gone. Right. But as it is, we're good. This is weird. I mean, it even facilitates the conversation. Like, my goodness, Carl. You really plowed through that? Hungry much? Like, oh, I haven't eaten for days. Blah blah blah. Tell a story. I this is dumb. It is dumb. Yeah. Why don't you eat some of the butter tabs while you're waiting? You know what I'm saying? You know? I'll tell you this. I, like, I never drink so much water than when I'm out. Like, for work stuff, people go out for drinks, and I don't drink.

And so, like, I'm just sitting there pounding water because because there's not like, like, people do it because they got something to hold while they're trying to facilitate these conversations. And, like, I mean, I pee 55 times because of the amount people taking it easy because it's expensive booze, and I'm over there just wailing away on water all night. Look at me. But but, like, it would be super awkward if I didn't have anything. If there were nothing there and I didn't have something to drink, it would feel weird. But, like, it's not like they're taking your whole kit. Like, drink the water, order a coffee after the meal, have the free bread. There's plenty of options of which this plate is not part of the situation. Yeah. But if you're

ahead. Really desperate, bring bring a paper plate with you, and they'll take your plate, and you can set it out there. You can pretend. Just keep putting another one there, and just be like, I'll keep this one. Like, you can't un plate me. Am plate it. Old keeping the peace plate. I just I can't I've never looked around a table and been bullied by somebody's plate being missing. No. No? But I also eat real fast, mostly because I get bored. Like, I will literally stop. I don't know the last time I've stopped eating because I was full. I stopped eating because I'm just tired of doing it. It I find eating to be extremely boring. I don't eat more than, five or six minutes and then I'm out. Okay. Here we go. Last one. K. Dear, live. From the path,

I'm divorced. My ex husband has a girlfriend and has just gotten engaged. Mhmm. We have two sons, 23 and 20, and they are going to their father's wedding in four months. I'm kind of annoyed that they're going, and I'm not sure what an impact this will have on my life as the ex or how my boys will feel. Advice? What? I mean, your boys wanna go. Isn't that why they're going?

Yeah. I'm not sure what an impact this will have on my life. Well, I I mean, I don't know. These have grown kids. I you know? I I mean, are you still trying to tool Christmases together or what? I don't understand. Like, you got divorced. Your kids are in their early twenties. Like,

I don't know how I don't think it's gonna impact your life at all. I mean, unless they try to is she worried they're gonna, like, start to do holidays over there? Because, like, as a single man, ain't no one going over a single man's holiday celebration. You know what I'm saying? Like, you always go where there's a mom cooking or somebody's making a dinner or put any time and effort into it. Even dads that know how to cook, they can't put a shindig together for nothing. And so, like, they're probably never going to their dad's Christmas morning. No one's fighting for the big things. So in either case, it just feels like that you might be worried about stuff that is not important at all. Yeah. It's just an unfortunate situation. I mean, it comes with divorce and remarriage. I mean,

it's hard. You just go with I mean, there's nothing you can do. I mean Yeah. I mean, if God hadn't called her to sin, Dan would be doing it right now. That's right. I'd have six or seven. Yeah. Yeah. I think so wait. What was the question? There's nothing. It was a story, and then I'm not sure what impact this will have on my life as the ex or how my boys will feel. Advice?

Yeah. You're gonna be jealous. Yeah. Yeah. I okay. Yeah. I mean, you knew this was coming. This I mean, it's it's unfortunate, the impact of the divorce. Like, your kids I mean, what impact might it might be great. I don't know. Maybe this is a great person. I don't know. You, I could I can understand being upset. I mean, it's gotta feel weird. I don't know. I've never done this. I can't speak to it. Yeah. But, like, if you

started a life with somebody and said you were gonna do these things and, like, then you decided that's it. We're not gonna do life together anymore. I believe it would be very difficult to see someone starting a life with someone else. Definitely. I can't don't even know how once again, Enoch, it's one of those things that, like, I I will not experience. And so I should be thankful every day ahead of time that God has never like, I'm just not gonna go through Yeah. And so what I mean, what a gift that is. I've there's been so much divorce around me and, like, around everybody, and you have to watch it just terrorize and tear families up and create nothing but animosity and trouble and broken. And then I forget on my worst days that, like, I don't have to walk through that because godly principles. You know? Yeah. Although, I I guess it's interesting is that, like, regardless of how you're gonna feel about like, you don't have you can't do anything.

So there's, like, nothing to do. Yeah. You know I'm saying? So, like, hey. If it's gonna be rough, yes. It's gonna be rough. But, like, like, there's not there's not an action to take. I'd like, you just I you gotta prepare your I would prepare yourself, I guess. But, like, there's not like someone could go, oh, you know what you do? Bust that thing up or tell your kids not to go. Like, none of that stuff is relevant. And so I I think I think it's right to prepare yourself and go, this is gonna be tough. Try to approach it as graciously as you can. There's no there's no value or victory in being in making, like, odd comments about it and poisoning your kids with it, in being passive aggressive at your ex husband or whatever. Like, I just you're gonna have to do your best to acclimate to this thing

because, like, whatever the reality is that you thought you were gonna have, you do not have it, and it's not coming back. Yeah. Definitely. Alright. Secular says Yep. If it isn't too late, refrain from conveying to your sons your annoyance that they will attend their father's wedding. They belong there. Give them the chance to get to know the woman without trying to influence them either way. Remember above all that you are a person in your own right rather than just an ex. You are also still your son's mom. You have the opportunity for a happy, successful future if you don't allow bitterness to get in the way. Hope you will give yourself that gift. Okay. I mean, I don't hate that. Yeah. Although, it it it does smack of, like so I I have been asking the AI AI a bunch of questions, and I find it way too affirming to whatever it is that I wanna do. Oh, yeah. It agrees with whatever you're posturing. Yeah. And then then and then, like, I will argue back with it and be like, look. I it can't be in my best interest for to agree with me all the time. They're like, that's for sure. You definitely should have opinion in your life to help you go point the right direction. I go, well, you're not you're not that. You agree with everything I say. And then it says, yeah. You're right. I'm like, you just did it again. You agreed with my disagreement of your first agreement. Yeah, man. So, anyway, the AI can't be trusted for good counsel. Keep that in mind. Yeah. Yeah. Totally true. Alright. You're listening to Live From The Path. We appreciate you hanging out with us this evening, and I'm gonna cut you loose, but I'm gonna cut you loose to the to a tune called What Only You Can Do. It's a song that Mike wrote and released here within the last I don't know. It's been a couple months. Right? Yeah. Yeah. You can check it out. Just search for what only you can do. The artist is Get The Goat. And if you remember, we had released a song called Get The Goat when we were trying to raise money to go to, Ethiopia and buy goats for folk. And so, that same artist has this tune out there, but go ahead and dig on it. It's available on all the the platforms of which, decent music is sold. So we'll, we'll leave you that to to send the show out. In the meantime, be faithful in the means. God will handle the ends. You've been listening to Live From The Path.

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