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Coming from the Pathway Studios here in Johnston proper. Hey. Nathaniel, I'm a tell you this. I'm a kid. We're Nathaniel sent an article about a church tokenizing itself. Buba, you're chewing gum real loud. I don't know what that means. A church tokenizing itself? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So the Like Bitcoin? Yes. Yes. Essentially, so taking a real world asset, like a like a piece of property or share stock or whatever, tokenizing it, converting it to a digital asset. And Okay. I'd tell but but the guy I I think the guy doesn't understand how it works. Like, I was reading this article. Was a pastor, and the description the pastor gave was, I was praying, the Lord said, get the building. Take, like, take back my home or something. I don't know. It was it was an old church that someone was using something else. And, anyway, and, tokenize it is this is the is the That's what he got from the Lord? He says, I'm gonna tokenize it. But, like, tokenize it is not free money. It's not like you take an asset you have, and then all of a sudden, it's a digital asset, and now you own two assets. It's a digital representation

of the asset. And so like the, the, what's unique about it is you might be able to say, have a church building and as a, there's a digital representation to it, and multiple people could own it. Like you could own bits and pieces of it. Yep. Like a stock. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of. But you can without all the formalities of stock ownership. I'm gonna I'm hold you. I don't understand Bitcoin at all. I don't understand digital currency in the least. I don't either. Yeah. It's a currency that's not owned or backed by any kind of governmental body and or, like, legitimate, like, gold backing or something like that, like most governmental currencies are. Right? Yeah. The and then And it's not held in a bank. Well, yes. So primarily, the the belief is is that

everybody manipulates their currency in some way or another. Right? China's particularly nefarious about it. Russia as well. But The United States also manipulates its own currency. It just does it through means of which we approved. Right. Yes. We're like, oh, it's not worth as much. Raise the rates. So and so the, the thought was that like, at the end of the day, you're, it's, it's, it's hard to tell what real value is because everyone's putting on a puppet show. And so if we all kind of just agreed in a digital currency, like one, there's a, there's a finite, like Bitcoin is the example. There's a finite amount.

Like, there's not, you can't print more. The United States prints more money all the time and devalues the currency. Bitcoin is a finite thing. So, And anyway, that's the point was is you Who decides that? Just mister Bitcoin? I mean Yeah. No. Yes. There was a dude who was they don't know who it is. They have some guesses on who it is who basically created this. And so A mysterious dude Yeah. Creates a currency backed by He was just tired of currencies that existed within banking systems and government systems. I have 700 Dan bucks. And they're like, what's a Dan buck worth? I'm like And enough people agreed.

Enough people agreed to it, and it became a crowdfunded kind of thing where people are like, okay. I'm going to back this with my own insurance. Well, I mean It's like a thing that doesn't do anything that we pay money for. Our currency meant something at one point in time based off an amount of gold that The United States had. That's what it was backed by in something. So this is this is essentially has value because of the willingness that that the people who are buying into it are willing to say it has a certain value amount that's not backed by any governmental system, and it's not backed or or held by any banking system. And the the the finite amount of Bitcoin, like the other crazy thing about it was, they would release a certain amount into into the market of Bitcoin. Yes. But it had to be, like, mined by computers, and these computers had to, like, be able to to, even mean? Basically,

these computers had to solve these logarithmic problems. And, like, it it was only done by computers, and they had to run these programs for a long period of time to be able to crack these codes Sounds so good. There was any level of Bitcoin that was released and allowed, and people would freak out when a Bitcoin became available on the market because it was more currency flooding the market. Because of computer sci fi Yeah. One Bitcoin was, at one point in time, going for, like, $700,000, if I remember correct. Like, it got insane at how expensive it now, it's, like, fifth 45,000 something like that. Yeah. So I I That's why people mine Bitcoin. Yeah. I'm gonna I'm gonna reexplain what you just told me, and you're gonna tell me where I'm understanding this right.

Somebody made up a currency. It's worth nothing. They convinced a bunch of other people that it's worth something. As long as everybody agrees that it's worth something, now it's worth something. If you want more of it, you gotta set computers to solve algorithmic functions, and it will eventually poop out one more of these things, of which people will then fight over. But, Mike, remember, our banknotes were based off of the value that people put on gold, which didn't have any inherent value. Gold was real. What right. But it but it was still something that we created a value system around. Well, hold on. Hold on. But but we dissolved the gold standard. So, like, your your That's true. Yes. So your description is exactly what the what The United United States currency is. But it's but The United States is backed by the good faith and credit of The United States. Yes.

Yes. Its ability to run an economic system. Yeah. Sure. This is just dude. Well Danbucks are basically supported by a bunch of people that go, I have 800 Danbucks. I also have 800 Danbucks. It's Okay. Sweet. Well, together, we have 1,600 Danbucks. Can you buy bread with Danbucks? Yeah. In some places, you can. Actually, there yes. There's some countries of which, like, you can use Bitcoin to to interchange it. Now The United States is it depends on, it's an economic policy problem, but like, whether they wanna get into that, they can't, they started coming with their own digital currency. But the problem is it doesn't solve the issue of like government manipulation. It is. So, this is actually where they get blockchain. So you do blockchain so that you can so that you can actually track. There's like a a ledger that everybody has. Yes. So so that you can't manipulate the currency and stuff. There's transparency in all the transactions and the system and stuff. It doesn't matter. It's irrelevant. The point is, is the guy trying to sell his church is does not understand it. Based upon his description, what he thinks is gonna happen is not gonna happen. He's he's gonna be like, I raised $2,500,000 to buy the church. But in reality, he sold his church among a bunch of people totaling $2,500,000. Wait. So that's what I'm saying. It's like, if they're like, this is $2,500,000,

I'm like, alright. I'll just get a bunch of Dan bucks. And then I'll be like, hey. How much are these Dan bucks worth in relation to actual money? They're like, no. It's the No. No. They'd have to agree to the exchange rate. Who sets the exchange rate? It runs it runs by supply and demand. Like like, the demand when more people want Bitcoin, the price of Bitcoin goes up. So it's based on what people so, like, if if if I sell to the world, like, these Dan bucks are great, and even though they're not worth a a Fig Newton, I'm like, I got all these Dan bucks. And people are like, hey. The guy's right. We gotta have more. And then I sell the Dan bucks for actual currency? Oh, sure. Yeah. Yeah. You can convert it. And people pay. But I but here's what I want you to take away, though. Your description that seems so ridiculous is how the stock market works We work. Is how the currency in every country works. No. Yes. That's not true at all. Yes. Yes. No. A 100% how our especially global currency and the concept of exchange rates between one country to another. Look. I I It's all just promises and wishes. You guys drank the you drank the well waters. What happened? I don't You bet you you Don't like Bitcoin. You're following around. I also own no Bitcoin. Yeah. Does anyone own Bitcoin, Steve? Six. You got any Bitcoin? Yeah. Did you have $45,000 laying around at one point in time when, I'd like one Bitcoin, please. I've got no I've got no Bitcoin, and I'm I'm asking the interwebs. I'm asking the man, Chet GP, GTP

Yeah. To explain Bitcoin in in two sentences. What does it come up with? It says, Bitcoin is a decentralized digital currency that allows peer to peer transactions over the Internet without the need for a central authority, like a bank.

It uses blockchain technology Yeah. Secure in a and record transactions making them transparent, and

I don't know that last word. Yeah. Of course. It looks very big. Yeah. So Boov and I took 800 sentences. Yeah. But we still explained it relatively correctly. It doesn't it sounded like a lie. The whole thing. Can we have a new segment where we just explain some level of, like, new technology or the way the world works in some ways to Mike every week and just watch his reaction to it? What's an NFT? I don't understand a nonfungible token. What that means. Let's say we have What's a nonfungible token? If we have decided we have a thousand Dan bucks in this room Sure. Yeah. And it's controlled by the five of us. Yeah. And then And then we decide, well, Troy's Buba's Dan bucks are not worth anything. We can just decide that? No. No. Because it's still a Danbucks that you agree to a level of value on. I can't. It's not just because of my ownership. I'll decide. Okay. So here's an example, Dan, is that in that situation, if we had, everybody had a 100. Okay? So we got 500 Danbucks in here.

You would not be willing to pay real money for Mike's Dan bucks because you know you made it up. Right? Right. Yes. But, but, Buva might go, you know, I get that we made it up, but like, I actually think that, that it's gonna catch on, and that the people in society will want it. So you know what? I'd be willing to give you 50¢ for your 100 Dan bucks. You'd be like, Sweet 50¢, because it's a made up currency. But now, there's a going rate where someone's willing to pay 50¢ for some Dan bucks, and some other guy goes, You know what? I'd be willing to pay I actually think this thing's going catch on too. And then now there's a demand for it, people are willing to they're buying into a promise as a belief that this will actually be exchanged for goods and services, which is happening in other countries. This is how Mormonism started. And I own I now own 200 Dan bucks, and you've got none. Someone made up magic under the pants and then about got a bunch of people to believe it, and now Mormon is Dan's gonna go, I wish I had to hold on to my Dan bucks. And and and one entity can't just go in and go, well, gotta print more Dan bucks. Be right. Because it can't. The 500 that were in this room, that's it. So anybody could issue a cryptocurrency? Oh, yes. And there are a million of them. Need Life There's, like, a bunch of them. There's, like, DOGE coin. There's all kinds of stuff. Life in the past. Cryptos. We could do we could do an LFTP coin. We have up to seven listeners. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. We could do Dan bucks.

It is a thing. Would be fun. We could do it now. We could do Dan bucks. It would not even be that hard. Okay. I'll look in to see what it's gonna take to do a larger cryptocurrency. I'll buy a 100. It's no problem. Do you feel like really old time ancient folks are having the same conversation about gold? Like, what am I gonna do with this? What am I supposed to do with this? Oh, yeah. I can't eat it. I can't eat Exactly. It's same thing. It's just an agreed upon standard. Sure. Because you would say, oh, but it's tangible. Tangible for what? Like It just was an amount you could you could transfer with. You can't use you you can't put it into a tool. You've played Minecraft. It's soft. It doesn't do any good. It's horrible. This is the worst accident. You like the look of my gold, and you're willing to trade 300 tons of salt for it. Right. And then across the the world, it became a commodity because people are like, wow. That's precious. Same with purple being royal was because it was an expensive dye that you had to have. It's a very elitist standard, to be honest with you. 100% is. And people went great. I'm willing to trade certain things for that because it looks nice, and that's the only thing I have in this world is fineries. And therefore gold. It became such a thing that it was a a global currency backing standard. Alright. Tulips.

Okay. Now, you're listening to Live With The Path. Here's, you can invest in Bitcoin and love Jesus, but if you should think about it. What a world of lies. Mike's getting at. The whole yeah. I just I need you to know that, like, everything is like that. You've just chosen Bitcoin as if it's the newfound person on the block, but, like, the whole finance system works Now listen. There is a distinct difference between things I can hold and things I can't, and I can't hold a blockchain. That's right. You look at this pay this printed green paper It goes to true value. You look at a chain. Is this the block chain? It's got a one zero zero on it. You go, I'm rich. I can hold it. Listen. Someone said, hey. I'll give you a $100, and I say, produce it. And they will show it to me, and I'm like, okay. We can do this. They show you an account in a say, give me a 100 Bitcoin, then they can what? Well, they just show me some You got a lot of money. If I showed you my bank account and you saw a number on there, you trust that it means something. No. I do not. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I you're going about this the wrong way. Mike, you ever used that debit card? Fuck. Mike. Valid point. I've I've read it, Debbie. Me I'm so Debbie. You should not have said it that way at all, but okay. Let's talk about these mythical ones and zeros that are buying cigarettes and coconuts somewhere. But hey. Do you accept this piece of plastic that I keep in the leather that's in my back pocket? Yeah. Fantastic. I'm going to swipe it into your machine, not see anything change except for accepted is on the screen. Fantastic. Can I have my Smokey Joe's now? And then walk out of the place with a promise to them that you had the thing in your account that said they could take the thing in your account that meant what, Mike? Alright. I've been best

I understand the argument now. Alright. You listen live from the path. Okay. Similar Please do NFTs next week. Okay. So so BUVA BUVA's got an ask the pastor. I sure do. And, it's I think based upon the topic of the ask the pastor, it's gonna follow into a segment that I mean, I thought of this two seconds before I stepped in the door. But you remember that what book is it in where Paul goes he goes, hey. This is the thing the Lord said, and then he goes, this is the thing. It's not from the Lord. Oh, Corinthians. Okay. For the first one? Six the nine six nine seven or six Seven, eight, nine? Okay. First Beninthians. First Beninthians. Second hesitations. This has been things that that the Lord didn't say, but Ben mentioned,

and but kind of in the same context of things the Lord said. Last half of chapter six of first Corinthians. Okay. There you go. This is, Ben chapter six. Just read first Corinthians six last night. I don't think that's it. Oh, man. You ran too fast through it. That would not surprise me out bitcoin. It's not the first time that Dan boldly proclaimed a chapter and verse of where something is located. It's also true. That's my entire strategy on the second of first sermon. Anyway, things I so I went to I visited a church that wasn't our home our our house church this week. It's weird to say. What a creepy way to put that. I went to a church that wasn't our home. Well, I was gonna say home church, but home church could actually be just a building UO2 that's your normal one. Ours is literally house. Anyway, I had some thoughts why this was going on, and it's not directed

or complimenting this particular church, but they were things I was thinking. I was like, I don't know. We probably could either give this up or we should do something different than after being out in the wild. Yeah. And so, anyway, thought I'd share some of that. So let's let's go with though, Bubba, what's the what's the ask the pastor? So, my ask the pastor question is in Genesis 37. Oh. So I was reading through the story of, Joseph. Right? And Joseph. Oh, Joseph. It's from It's Wonderful Life. It's really cool when you make a reference and then immediately have to say where it's from. Joseph.

Yeah. I thought that was good. We totally get it. Yeah. Please keep doing it. Hands. You know where that thing's from? Joe's hand. Oh, Joe's hand. Who is Yahweh? Hey. I wore that shirt out and about. Did you get any questions? No. Okay. Alright. So so

in '26, this is after they've they've, like, thrown him into a pit and are basically seeing these this caravan of traders coming towards them, and they're deciding that, you know, they they could kill their brother and just be done with it and whatever, or they could do something else, which is where Judah comes in and says, then Judah said to his brothers, what profit is it if we kill our brother and conceal his blood? Come, let us sell him to the Ishmaelites, and let not our hand be upon him. Freeze our brother our own flesh, and his brothers listen to him. K? Okay. So in that part, I started to think to myself, like, I I could take that one of two ways. Now either either Joseph is gonna be killed by his brothers no matter what, And so Judah is like, hey. I wonder if I could save his life by, like, coming up with this sly thing of like, no. We shouldn't kill him. Let's make a profit. And he's really trying to be a good brother, and he's like, I'm at least gonna save his life, and he'll have a chance with the Ishmaelites if if we sell him.

Instead of killing him, then he doesn't have a chance at all. Or I could take it as, like, Judah's, like, being the most vicious in this moment where he's like, I mean, we could kill him. Yeah. I'm fine with that. But, like, at least we could make some money off the deal. Like, why don't we at least sell him? Then he's gone. We don't have to worry about him anymore, and I have some cash in my pocket. And so it was weird because, like, I I I kinda see both sides of why it could be either way. And I started to think to myself, like, this is this is the Judah that, like, Jesus comes from the tribe of Judah. And, like, I started thinking to myself, like, if I'm thinking blowing up the whole story, I I'm not trying to put too much on, like, it's important that Judah was the worst, and that's why it's so cool that Jesus came from the tribe of Judah. I don't really care that much about it, but, like, I could see that as being a conversation to say, like, even even our perfect lamb came from one of the most vicious brothers that existed under of Jacob's children, of Israel's children, and stuff like that. And so I was wondering, as as I am to ask the pastor, like, do you think that that Judah was being altruistic and going, like, I'm gonna save my little brother and give him one shot? He's gonna die no matter or he's gonna die, or he's gonna be have this shot of, like, living a life somewhere else,

or was he being the kind of dude that's like, well, I might as well make a profit off the kid if I'm gonna kill the guy. Like, at least I then have some cash to take back. I just I don't know. I was interested to hear what you guys' thoughts were on I think I think he was just being selfish that he's probably going to die at their hand, but it won't be on our hands. Sure. So I we're just it's not my responsibility. I don't know if the money has nothing to do with it other than it was how he could sell it to the other brothers. It it was more of the let's I don't wanna be guilty of his death. Let's get rid of him. I don't want him here either.

But, if they take him and do something, that's on them. Okay. That's just my thought. I mean Sure. Yeah. No. That that's certainly how I was thinking about it. Just didn't know if I was taking that in wrong. Yeah. So he did say this was in so Reuben rescued so Judas should have rescued him. Right? Like Judas, the oldest brother, you should have taken control of the situation. He's totally bailed. He's part of the cons conspiratorial nature. Seems like it. Yeah. Yeah. Reuben jumps in and rescues him the first time they try to get him. Then the thing that tilts me toward nefariousness

is Judas saying, profit is it? Right. And so, like, I, and I think I was gonna I was trying to check that other underlying word to make sure that, like, that's just not tinged by a translation thing. Sure. Like, it's a what benefit is to us? Is it to us? Like, we're only it's only bad because, like, everyone's gonna know we killed our own brother. And so I think the the motivation because he said two things. He said, what profit is it to us? Yep. If we kill our brother and conceal his blood, come let us sell him to the Ishmaelites, and let us not our hand be upon him. So, like, I would I agree with Dan that I think, he's basically going, we're gonna they're gonna know it was us, and we there's no benefit from us. He's dead, of course. Sure. But, like, it's gonna but we could get two. We could two for one. He he gets he's gonna die anyway. Right. Our hands aren't upon it. Yes. Right. And we made some money. We don't have to go lie to our father about it. We don't have to, like,

say that we kill or don't didn't kill him. Blah blah blah. His blood's not our handles. The different stuff. Yeah. The the only way the only way it would occur to me that that it wasn't he didn't care about the money is if, like, hey, you couldn't the Ishmaelites would be real suspicious if you're like, take our brother. Sure. And so the only way they would take him Is if they bought is if there was a selling him. Well, then that might make sense to me. That might be true. Possible deniability. Yeah. Yeah. And that's so the the the the opposite that I've heard has been the the thought process that, like, his saying what profit would be to us, he knew that, like, he could not have have convinced his brothers who wanted blood in that moment because this is coming right off the coattails of, like, he's the littlest brother in this group. All of the brothers are off in the world, like, being shepherds, and dad sends Joseph to basically check on their work and goes like, hey. Go, bring back a report to me about how my other sons are doing their job right now. And this is also on the coattails of, like, Joseph very openly saying that his dreams, hey. I was standing, and my my group of of chaff was standing above and, like, all of yours were kneeling at its feet, and isn't that crazy and cool? And then my my, my staff was standing at attention, and all of yours was fallen on the ground and and, like, standing,

you know, worshiping that one. And so, like, the youngest brother is going to the older brothers and going, hey. Like, I keep having these dreams about my royalty and my my exaltation over you guys. How crazy is that? And so the the argument that I've heard is the fact that, like, Judah recognizing that his brothers were seeing blood. Like, they wanted to kill Joseph. And he was thinking to himself, well, I can't overpower 10 of my brothers at that point. Maybe nine because I think Benjamin wasn't there. But nine of my brothers in this situation where they want blood,

so the best case scenario is to deceive my brothers and convince them using this ploy of what profit would it be for us if we were to just kill him? Why won't we just sell him into slavery? And thus was giving Joseph the chance at a life that may not have been the life that he was intending, but at least he's alive and kind of thing. And then I also heard, someone bring up that there's a there's a connection that we're supposed to be drawing or possibly that that there are New Testament writers that are drawing between the the selling of Joseph for, like, a a certain amount of money and the selling of Jesus for a certain amount of money. I don't know about that, and I haven't found anything with that. But and that I wanted to bring that up because I didn't know if you guys have ever heard that draw or that connection. There are definitely connections there are definitely connections, on the selling and the 30 pieces of silver, to Old Testament, just not there. You got it. Okay. Type of Jesus. Right. And that makes sense. That's why I was like, oh, I've never thought of it like that because I've never I've never been been presented that thought process of, because he was sold for 30 pieces. Right? Like No. No. There's no indication that Joseph Sorry. For some reason, I thought Joseph The was 30 pieces was the price of a slave. Right. And like, I wanna say it's Zechariah that's got that. There's a reference in there that like, it's way more likely that that's the case. Here's, I don't,

it does not seem to me, all Judah had to say was, I'll tell dad. Be like, this thing only works because they're all agreeing. Yeah. Right. A dysfunctional family. Yeah. Right? Right. That's what I was just thinking. There were times I didn't like my brothers, but I never was gonna, like, honestly kill them. Right. You know? Or or send them away from war. Sell them into slavery? Yeah. Right. And this I mean Well, the funny thing is What a brutal world. At this point in time, Joseph is in a pit that they have tossed him into. He's not getting out of. They've they're considering There's no coming back now. And then I heard someone say something funny about the fact that, like, in the storytelling goes in Genesis that, like, he's in the pit, and then they all sat down to a nice meal. Mhmm. That, like, that's the next verse. They're like, and Joseph was thrown into a pit, and then the brothers sat down for dinner and decided of that nuisance. What they were going to do with his fate. So they're like, Joseph, shut up. We're having bread, and they're sitting there just getting drunk while Joseph is in in the thing. And, like, if you go into, like, later on with with Jacob's blessings over his sons, the way that he talks about some of his sons is rough. Like, they were just bad relationships through and through. Like, there were only maybe four that weren't like, hey. Do you remember when you did this to your father? And I can't believe and it doesn't, go, and I forgave him. It just was, flat out, I'm pronouncing

your tribe will be this way because you did this in my house. In my house. And it's like, oh, crap. Like, this is a rough family that we're coming from here. Mhmm. That god's just like, this is the family that I'm making my kingdom from, and, like, you will see my kingdom come to earth through them. So which is also it's I I love that thought, but, you know, whatever. So okay. I just I was interested because I was reading as I was reading it, I felt more in the camp of I feel like he's being a real ragamuffin in this moment. He's just like, well, I mean You ragamuffin. Right. Joseph is like, you ragamuffin. And that's why Joseph was part schmuck to them later on when he's in his or when he's in Egypt and he's kinda running stuff, like, leaves money in the in the mouth of their bags where they're supposed to leave it, and then they're thinking they're gonna get killed. And he's like Yeah. They're way more intentional with their malfeasance.

Right? Like, Joseph's story was kind of it it was funny. Like, he just dragged us out over, like, four or five times instead of be like, hey, you guys. Well, that, and he's trying to get his whole family there. Like, he's trying to get Jacob to come and Benjamin to come as well. He keep bringing only 10 of the 13 that he wants there. I've always found that the blessings you mentioned the blessings to be fascinating. Yeah. Yeah. Because I think I mean so okay. He just says these blessings. I mean, so Some of them are just Yeah. Like, I did that to my daughters, they'd be like, whatever, and they'd go off and do their life. You know? You know? If I said, you are now smiting forever, and you will have pimples the rest of you know, whatever. They'd like, well, that's great. Dad's senile. I mean, did some But there's some god honored those, like, he honored those pronouncements of the kids? I mean, a couple of them do come to pass, like, how their tribes come into play. I I think they live their life based on partly, you know, of of that curse. There certainly is a lot of weight held Yeah. Culturally in those kind of blessings and cursings. Like, it's crazy. You see that with Jake Van Esau too. Right? Like, like and he's like, I can't give you one. I already gave it away. And all the things that he said, he's like, this That soup was good. Yeah. Hope your inheritance, a k, that bowl of soup was good.

You hairy beast. Get out of here. I was I was we think we talked about this a little bit last time, but I, like, I always thought Joseph was being kinda squirrely. Because, like, when he well, he was in charge of the famine. Yep. Right? He's, like, interpreted the dream. He said there's gonna be a big famine. And instead of, like, preparing for the famine so he could give food away and keep people alive, he's like he waited till he showed up for food, and he's like, well, I tell you what. I'll take all your livestock, and then we'll give you a little bit of food. Oh, I'll take all your land. We'll give you a little bit of food. Hey. You wanna be an indentured servant? We'll give you a little bit of food. Like, Joseph managed everybody through the through the the famine. I'm like, he flees everybody through the famine. That's what he did. Egypt got really powerful. Yeah. And and instead of going, hey. You can keep your land. We stored up for the famine. We're ready for this. No problem. He's like, give me your land, and I'll give you a little bit of food. And, like, that didn't seem like it was a good, honest, generous thing to do. Well, it it seems like God put him in that place where, like, that's what not necessarily, like, God told him then to fleece the dudes of of Egypt and make it to where they sold all their livestock and land. But, like, this seems to be the situation that God is, like, giving Joseph this ability to interpret. Like, Joseph says multiple times that, like, I interpret because god is the one who interprets not me, and that's what gets him to the point where he's even having these kind of conversations with pharaoh in the first place, which allows him to be in this place to build up the the the kingdom of pharaoh at this point in time Mhmm. To the point where it's at where exodus happens. And we did we did talk about this a little bit last week that, like, the Old Testament is pretty, pretty set up that it doesn't tell you how to feel about a thing. Like, you things you didn't question when you were a kid or when you first knew you know, got to know Jesus, and you just read it flat, and you're like, yeah. Okay. That happened. And then you get a little bit older, you're like, why isn't anybody upset about this? And you're like, they actually are upset about it. This the Bible is not explicit in saying, and God was upset. Yeah. And God was mad. Yeah. You know? Like, it just it doesn't do that. And so it is left up a little bit to be like, yeah. Does that sound like an upsetting situation? Yeah. It's okay to be upset about that. I think that constantly forces you into the conversation of, like, the kind of things that are left out of the Bible that we have questions on. Like, there's a reason that the the bible is constructed and built the way that it is, and as god is telling a a set of stories and setting a set of principles and setting his identity and our identity and the identity of his kingdom and his people based off of this. And it's just the the point of these stories is not to answer those questions that you have, and so you

gotta deal with that. Mhmm. Mhmm. So so my my we go to this we go to this church, and it was, it was it was a church in a in a school, gymnasium. And, oh, man. That just reminded me

of the there was a real harsh thing that came out of it. Oh, no. I'll I'll get it out of that to the end. But the the the sermon was on, Genesis thirty and thirty one. So Genesis thirty and thirty one,

was and titled Integrity. World integrity does not show up in the scriptures for sure. That's fine, but you could summarize it. Thirty and thirty one

is about Jacob's dealing with Laban. And so if you remember the setup, he asks to marry Rachel, Laban's daughter. Laban is a turd.

And so he realizes, and Laban will say this, he's like, God has revealed to me that I am being blessed through you, through Jacob, which is true actually. It's unclear as to how often Yahweh's speaking with Laban, but Laban's not an idiot. He's gonna say, Look at all those herds. And so, so anyway, he's like strung along. He keeps changing, you know, Jacob's

wages and he's like, hey, I'll, you can marry this daughter and he fools him, you know, and so, and he ends up marrying two daughters and it's like taking forever. And so, anyway, the guy, the sermon was like, I've found this that most churches that I've visited, my kids always say, Dad, what did you think of the sermon?

Nine times out of 10, if not 99 out of 100, I'm like, Right conclusion, wrong scripture. Right conclusion, wrong scripture. Do we need to be people of integrity? Yes, absolutely. Is Jacob a man of integrity? No.

Not even in this particular set of scriptures. So they're like, if you remember what happens is Jacob's like, Hey, I gotta get out of here, man. I'm gonna take my family. We're gonna leave. Laban's like, I'll pay you anything. Whatever you want. He's like, No, no amount of money. I wanna get out of here. He's like, Whatever you want. He goes, I tell you what I would do. He said, Just let me keep the speckled sheep or whatever, and you keep the pure ones. Now, he's likely to have Most of his flock is probably going to be pure. Then you get Jacob like, getting this almond branch and cra like, something that seems real divination type of crafty. If you Google it, Answers in Genesis will go and try to give you some sort of business about how there's something legit about how this thing is going on. It very much looks like there's a level of, like, he's trying to make magic happen. Yeah. Now, this thing does happen. The the it gets to all kinds of speckled sheep and crap because God said he would do it. Like, it later Jacob goes, I had a dream and the Lord spoke to me and said, I will bless you. I will make the speckled sheep. So, like, had nothing to do with these weird sticks, but the point was that he promised Laban that he would only keep the speckled ones and then intentionally

manipulated the situation so that more speckled ones would come. He didn't walk within integrity. He manipulated it to make sure the outcome would be his. Then later on it moves into chapter 31, and the Hebrew even does it. Jacob's the trickster, right? It's the source of his name. And so, it's like, after this thing goes down and, like, he becomes flush with speckled animals, he bails in the middle of the night.

Like, he he just he doesn't go, Laban, but our agreement has been met. I'm leaving as an honorable man with integrity. With your children. With your children. He picked up his crap and he left in the middle of the night. Here's the thing, the bullet points the man had. Again, yes, people of integrity, yes. You don't have to be Does integrity equal fairness? No.

Now he, again, he was using the word integrity. He just he probably meant honor would have been better. Integrity means I won't be split. Integer. Like, it cannot be split. Not not that it has good moral values. It's actually probably a bis I I don't care for the definition. But like, at the end of the at the end of the day, it was a terrible scripture

to try to go, We need to be men of integrity like Jacob. Didn't even flinch. This is exactly what he proposed. He goes, Like this man. Think of this story. Everybody go back and cheat your office. Like, do not think this, like, to make sense where he was like, this is obviously integrity because blah blah blah blah blah. He's like, no. It speaks for itself. Look at this integritous

action. Now, here's the few takeaways I had when I was at this service. The first one was, this is what happens when you try to turn, especially the Old Testament, into a rule book. Frankly, and this is what my oldest daughter said, she goes, There were really good examples of lacking integrity.

You could have used both of these fellas and gone, See? No. Do the opposite. The Bioware Project did a really good episode on this. It was related to,

don't think of it first as rule book. It's a, it's a collection of stories that tell you something about God, something about people. Right. But if you, but if you're looking at every story to say, now, what do I do tangibly with my body and mind? You're not approaching it correctly. This does build into a narrative. There are takeaways on how do I live my life? Can take it away. But if that's what you go looking for, you'll end up dragging something out of it that this is not a moral story. Yeah. The goal is I think it's trying to get the Sunday school version. Exactly. You know? Yeah. It's like, oh, everything's great. Flamble board. He's wonderful. Yep. Integrity. And it's like, have you read it? Yeah. Read this. Just read that. Yes. And like Solomon's great. Ah, he did. Has some good Noah's a story about trusting god. Right.

You can deduct Remember that whole vineyard thing? Can deduct a thousand miles. Neither does Noah. Yeah. I planted a vineyard. Exact his wife does. Not

good. So It's great. Anyway, can we do a Noah's Vineyard like Martha's Vineyard? Like, that sounds like a fun place. That's terrible. Do not suggest that again. I I repent of you of hearing it, to be honest with you. But anyway, I've no doubt this man loves Jesus. Yeah, yeah, And the things he was pointing people to were right outcomes.

This is what I said, because I think, I could be wrong, I feel like my wife's like, I say this all the time, like, wrong scripture, right outcomes. She's like, does that mean But he said, he pointed everybody to the right thing. I said, here's the thing. If you're new and you take it in, that will steam. That will carry you. But you're gonna get five years down the road, seven years down the road, and you're gonna read that story, and then it's gonna fall apart. And you're gonna think either, I don't know how to read this well, or that guy lied to me. They've been taught wrong. Poorly.

Want people to trust the scriptures over me. Right. And so it's more important that you walk away. Like this is hap this totally happens. Happens to me probably every fourth or fifth Sunday, I'll teach something, and I like I've got no particular takeaways. I don't go, and here's the things of which you're gonna do in response to this. I'm gonna go, we know the thing now, and God will do something with that to some of you in your lives today. But like, I'm not gonna prescribe to you something to go home and do because that would be me wrenching out rain, and I'm not gonna do

The guy was very passionate about it, again, confident he loves Jesus, and the things he was pointing people to was right. But I worry about what it does in people's ability to understand scripture and to trust the things that they learned in Sunday school or five, ten years ago because we took something from the scriptures that wasn't there. I think of a a social media group I'm in that's just filled with atheists and homosexuals and people who really hate the church Yep. And and hate God. And and I can just echo, they say a lot of things back, oh yeah, blah blah blah. Some of the stuff what you're saying right there, they'll just rip apart the stuff they've learned and it breaks my heart for them. And I'm just like, well, but we did that to them too. It's like, why didn't we explain this what happened? Yeah, because there's some tough things in scripture. Oh, totally. Totally. Undoubtedly. Yeah. I would say, if there's not something where you're like, boy, how do I understand God's character in this? Or how do I understand scripture well on any handful of things, then I I would suggest you're not reading it closely. I did a nice little sermon. To take in.

Noah Noah. A few it's been a few months ago now, but I did it again in Africa, it was fresh in my mind. But I spent some time in there, go go into the part where these people that I mentioned will come down on God. You realize there were children who died in the flood. So I kinda play it's like, yes, there were. Yes. Right. Yes. And there were people,

if you look at the words of Jesus, marrying you know, marrying, and eating, drinking, this stuff, they were doing all this stuff. Yeah. Yeah. So we we we set up a party, then they were sitting there having a good time under the tree laughing, the water sweeping away. You know? It was like, yes, that happened. Mhmm. Yes. And that's what that's what Peter said. That's what Bates and Second Peter said, don't forget that. Don't forget, God expects obedience. It's like you gotta, you can't like, oh, it's a cute story of animals on a boat. God, animals loved each other.

A mama lion and a dad Horrible, horrible story. Yeah. One of the things, unfortunately, that I missed was to be able to say, because we were focused on the integrity of Jacob, which wasn't really there, thing you could have taken away was God is faithful even when Jacob was not. Right. Yeah. God made a promise. He kept a promise. He said people will be blessed. Even crappy Laban got blessed by the man who with God said blessings will come through this line. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Right? So God is faithful even when people are not. How hard is it to wait fourteen years? And and how long does that keep going? Yes. Like,

situation in which God blesses and fulfills his promises no matter how bad Israel gets every time on both sides of that spectrum. Right. Like, I will bless your house, and you will have splendor, and you will have money galore all over the place. I will also tell you that I'm going to curse you, and I'm going to remove you from your land if you keep doing this. I made you a promise, and I kept that promise. And I'm gonna continue keeping that promise is because God's identity that we're getting from that is he is a promise keeper. Yeah. When he says he's going to do something, you can trust the then he is faithful in what he's going to do. And to Dan's point, he waited fourteen years, two ladies before he left. Sometimes, often, the way God keeps his promises is not what you expect.

Can you walk faithfully in those things? That was the thing that you could say about Jacob. He stuck the thing that he believed God had brought him to do. He wasn't completely faithful in all the actions that he took within those things. It's unfortunate because it was a well intentioned, but it was a miss. I thought, ah, it looks good up front, but may cause you trouble later.

There was that, but here was the one other thing that Paul might say, but that the scripture would not say. So, this has nothing to do with whether Jesus would dictate this or not.

I had Corinthians seven, by the way. Oh, first Corinthians seven. Yeah. Was was off. You stopped. I went to six. I yeah. Today or tomorrow is seven through nine. Okay. I'll get to it tomorrow, Dan. I'm sorry. Was, I was oddly,

this is fairly normal. As people are transitioning, like you can hear, hey, the pastor's praying and then the worship band comes up. It just struck me as I thought, Well, why doesn't the worship band shouldn't sit and listen to the pray with everybody?

And it's for because you don't want an awkward transition. You don't want fifteen, twenty, thirty seconds while people are moving stuff around. And I thought, You know, we should probably we should stop that. I'd be okay dealing with the awkward to go, you know what? No. Why don't you why don't these people who lead me in worship pray with all the people and not pull them out of that? I know why we do it. I totally get it, and it's not sinful or anything. I just thought, like, by practice, wouldn't I rather praying? Can't we all pray together? Yes. Let's let's do it. And, like, if someone is so awesome when we do. And they're so put off by to see the people, like, get up and then go walk up there and, like, well, this should have started thirty seconds

These tunes should be ready for me by the time I open my eyes. Are you kidding me? I have to wait for that bass guitarist to throw it around his shoulders? Yeah. This is what I'm saying. And like the type of thing that we're trying to keep people from thinking, I'd rather they just say out loud. You know, pastor, I was put off by that. It's like, well, good. Now I know what to pray about for you, sir. See, it's pretty shallow. You know what I would pray for? You shutting up more often. Let's start let's start now.

Yeah. Please. I'd love for you to come with me with hands held to come to Jesus and go, I was really upset about that thirty seconds, God. Worked in Ukraine. It's totally it's totally minor. Now the final the final thing. Now this one was I would hate if Ben visited my church if I was a pastor. I would see Ben walk in. I'm like, nope. Here's the deal. We're watching a video. I honestly I honestly have no intention of coming in and, like, picking a place up. I don't wanna pick like, I know what it takes to prepare a sermon and give one and, like, the stuff that guy's dealing with during the week. I don't think anything negative about this man. I don't think anything negative about the church at all. Yeah. There are just things that, like, as you're you just don't have the chance. You've then you probably noticed this. Like, you don't ever you're it. You're doing it. And so it's very rare that you get to sit back, and you're taking it in, and stuff just occurs to you. You know, I could go as a consultant to any church and tell them 10 things right away that they could do to improve their service. But if you get least 700 dead bucks, you can turn this place right around. Okay. But here's the thing. I was on

the verge of tears, like no joke. It happened during the worship set. We came in and the worship was playing and it was in a gym. And so they had electronic drums to try to control noise. Get it, get it. I think I've recommended it. The, the, the place had, if you watch the people singing and the way that they're playing and stuff, it had so much energy to it,

But it felt so dead. It felt so dead. And I have felt that in a couple other places that I've been in the worship set. And some of this is because I'm used to, and where we're at, I can hear myself sing. And it wasn't loud. They were controlling the sound. It was perfectly fine.

But for some reason, I don't think, here's what I think. I actually think God was, this was for me, and it didn't have anything to do with the church itself. But the thing that hit me is that like, it is, it looks so alive, but is dead. Sounds like revelation. Don't it? Right. It's exactly

that. It's exactly that. Phil it's not Philadelphia. It's Is it Laodicea? You may Yeah. I couldn't remember either. Anyway, that's why I just thought you were gonna quote a line from the movie Philadelphia. I was Tom Hanks says,

I'm I'm alive outside. I'm I'm so bad inside. Well, and so cancer. To be honest, I was kinda looking around, and I'm like this like, the the an environment can do this, can create something that feels very alive, but is dead. And so I prayed for the church. And then I thought, that, that can happen anywhere. Yeah. It's any, like anything can look like, like we are propping up a corpse. You weekend and burnish the church. And I rep, and I was praying, like I was, I was, I was on the verge of tears because it was like, it felt very heavy to me in the about

actions that you can take Christians in general, ignore church bodies specifically, but Christians in general, that give the impression of being vibrantly alive. Sure. But they are dead. And we are being held up like corpses, puppeting around as if everything is the way that it should be. And that is relevant to a personal spiritual life. That is relevant to communities of people. That is relevant to churches of people. And it made me very sad and it felt very heavy to me at the moment. So I was praying. I was praying for me. I was praying for our church community. I was praying for that church community and people in general. That's what I'm saying. It's like, I don't think, I don't think it had anything to do with the people on the stage. I think it had to do with God doing something in the moment that helped bring something to my mind. Yeah, sure. That felt very relevant. I think the modern church, though, is set up for fake. It can. I mean, not intentionally even. Yes. All the motives are right. But, yeah, we want energy, and we gotta feel this and make Yeah, yeah, a can key change make a neck. And we've our passion for God to be a passion for entertainment. They wouldn't say it that way, but Right. It's And the thing is, is that you may not notice the difference because they could have a very the same you could have a passion for God, and you could play the same tunes, and you could go through the same sound system, and, like, everything may also be the same, but that's kind of the point, is you wouldn't know, and so it was a it was a burden of a risk

that, like, if you can't tell, you can't tell by how the bodies are propped. Right. And so anyway, I I don't that maybe that means something to you if you're listening. I don't know. But it felt it was it felt very I haven't I can't say that over the last five, maybe even ten years that something has felt that direct for me,

that I was supposed to take something from. Was, it felt very definitive to me. Like I didn't have any doubt that like I was supposed to take that in, in that way, in a broad context. Anyway, that's it. That's all I had. What a victory that is for the enemy

of, like, to have something that looks is even intention to be right, but just lacks all actual, like, worth and ascribing worship to a true god. And, like, that's that's scary. Like, that's scary that that's it. It's the thing that it's not the nefarious, like, devil in the corner kind of thing where it's, you know, snidely whiplashing your way through a through a a cartoon

episode. It's it's making something look just about right. Yeah. And then products rather than the producer. Right. Yes. Exactly. Like, making I mean, it just it looks so real. Yeah. But, like, taking away any actual depth to it, like, looking fast just to mean an inch of it. It's like, oh, no. This is this is an effigy of of, like, that's that's scary. And art's crazy. And here's the thing. Is art my, like, my house church environment can do the exact same thing. Sure. Of course. Amen. It's get, like, it feels organic and authentic and, like, stripped down. All of our values feel like we're aligned with the bible blah blah. And Trader Joe's. And Which is owned by Aldi. But, like, it it's it runs the same risk. Like, you can get you can love the facade of anything. Absolutely. And it and it's gonna attract

it can attract people who just like the flavor of the facade. Sure. There's no difference in the risk in any of those two environments. And so Yeah. Or the old church singing all the hymns. Yep. 100%. Yeah. Exactly. You know, and they battle over the what what style, and it's like, yeah. You can still lose. It doesn't matter what Right. Yeah. On all of it. Yeah. You know? Insert anything here. Like, it can absolutely be this propped up effigy. Yeah. Yeah. And so, anyway, I I was praying that, like, one of things for me was, how like, I don't help me to know the difference. Sure. Yeah. Like, if it's if if everything if you can if peep you're getting away with weekend at Bernie's, like, how I someone has to be able to tell Help me to make sure that I'm not missing something. Maybe everything sniffs just fine. Maybe everything's fine in my place, don't have wool over my eyes somewhere. But maybe I do. I went to a church a few weeks ago

talking about the orphanage and stuff, and I had I had to slap myself a few times because it was I mean, whole time I'm thinking like, you guys obviously didn't, like, rehearse at all. I mean, everybody's waiting for the other person to start the song and it was just clearly, clearly not rehearsed. And I got a little judgy. It's not like we're great, but it's like at least we rehearse.

We have a plan for the song. I had to correct myself because you could also, they just love Jesus. They They weren't there to impress anybody. Was poor. They didn't care if I was impressed. It

was a really great church. Or the God of the Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like, just shut up, Dan. Have to do that oftentimes because I'm in a place that I like. Obviously, I like the style, I like everything. So you go different places. I think it's healthy to go some other place once in a while and just go, okay, this is different. It's okay. This actually, the thing

that got me thinking about that transition thing, it happened, but then there was also a deal, in between songs or whatever, the worship guys kinda, you can see him, and like, he's talking, and he's, he, what did he say? He said something like, yeah, that was great. Praise, praise God for what he has done. But like, one, I, I don't know. I'm not sure he meant it, but like, you could see out of the side of his eye. He's like flipping stuff around, like he's saying a transition thing.

Man, that stinks. But here's the thing, is it fine to praise God for what he's Yes. Of course it is. But I knew he was flipping through stuff, and I get it that most people probably aren't paying attention to him. I I don't care that he did it. I would like to relieve him of the responsibility to feel like he has to. Right. Yeah. That's that would be the thing. You Pretend like he's not the We don't need your filler exaltations. You in fact, you go, hey. Give me just a second. I'm gonna find his tune. Okay.

Like, I don't care. I feel that way when people tell me to give him praise with my hands. Like, don't tell me what to do. Give him praise with your hands. They mean what they mean is Jesus. They're like, you should clap. I'm like, I don't wanna clap. That's not what wanna do. Right? And so they're all like, give Jesus praise with your hands. I'm like, I don't do that. I just I don't like it bossing me around like that. I praise like this. I'm double hands up. I don't wanna stop and applause, and it feels like I'm applauding the tune you just said. Do you ever do the hold the TV where you got two hands down? I do the wide. Okay. Alright. I've done the other one. Favorite. I like to do the one. I like to do one hand up. That's how I roll it. Be honest. My arms get tired.

Like, I that's why I kinda stick with the hold the TV. Like, this is this is in the air? Yeah. Rather than this because it and my arms get tired quickly. Like this. This feels right. Still opening my hands to the Lord. Dang it. I need to I need to check that. I don't do that in any other context in my life. Like, if I ever get my team scores a touchdown or whatever, I don't I don't have hands in the air, and so I just don't celebrate at all lightweight. Yeah. Actually You're not a fist pump. When was it decided that you praise with arms up? Like, hands lifted high. Well, there's places in scripture what does Paul say lifting, holding it's in Corinthians, I think, where it's like Ephesians. Oh, lift and holding hands. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Dudes, it's it's for fellas too, you're like Yeah. Yeah. We're all in. All I can promise you is that it's it's not in first Corinthians one through six. Yes, okay. Ephesians It might be seven through nine. I don't know yet. But, yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, but that's the thing is that, I don't know. It's prescribing. Scripture is Everyone has to do I mean, just saying that you did it, like just because he says lift holy hands once doesn't mean you're supposed to lift holy hands all the time. I feel like isn't there something about, like, lifting your hands? I mean, David says it all the time, but David says a lot of stuff all the time. Danced dude in the street. We don't go around doing that. That. Well, sometimes. You don't. Dan's like, woah. But the cameras are off. What's changed today? That's all I'm saying. Oklahoma,

it's more acceptable. Alright. You're listening to Live From The Path. Hey. Now listen to me. I I again, I want you to hear my heart and that. Like, I'm no intention of, like, picking just picking at church. I just The things that jump out at you that you don't notice. And frankly, don't know, I probably wouldn't have even thought about that transition thing. It kind of makes sense to me. Oh yeah, they're ready to go after the guy gets done. Great. It makes sense to me until it doesn't. It just hit me that day. And I don't care if you still do it, the Lord will handle all the things. I'm just the things that occurred to me while being outside of my normal context. You're so mean, Ben. I know. Hit me up with a complaint line, (515) 517-0085.

I purposely didn't say what the church was because, again, there's no reason to. It's irrelevant to the part of the story. But if that was you, you wanna talk about it. 51551700 If you had to give the name, would you say it's woke or toke? Oh. But that's the only choice I have. It's either the weed shop or a liberal church? Yeah. No. You don't have the other choices. In this situation, it's woke or toke. It's the or. Alright. Wow. Okay. Okay. Wait a yeah. Just a minute. I

want to dance when my team wins, but celebrate when I win. Celebrate me. You know who's great in this situation? A man. Oh, man. Actually, I'll tell you this. This is twenty seconds. I'm getting old, though. I took my Bible, my preaching Bible there, and, like, the the guy was he starts to tell this story, and I'm like, I don't remember some of these things. So I go to read it while he's talking to double check it, and, like, I have my glasses off and this giant study Bible right here, three inches from my face. Like, I've got to take the large print for travel. I look ridiculous. What's this guy's name? Hakub?

Hakub? I'm just checking. I gotta be honest. How long has it been since we had a show, fellas? About three weeks. Really? Maybe two. Two. Maybe two. Yeah. Maybe two? Yeah. You two have not left a breath of air in the first half hour of the show. It's only been half an hour?

Not a breath. Fifty four minutes. Not a breath in fifty four minutes. Hold on. Okay. I have never Mike, twenty seconds on that. Seen the pair of you so wound up and allowing no pauses in a conversation for almost a solid hour. Hey, man. I feel like all of you have talked so far. That's not right. You have misheard the last hour. My bad.

Jeez. Hey. There are many reasons I say four words because I'm like, I can't get in. Whatever, man. You've talked, like, 10 times. Well, I did today. I had Diet Coke, though. I did. Can't even have a Diet Coke on him. Yes, god. I'm kidding. I've been talking all night long. They all hyped up on Diet Coke to get into this conversation. That's probably a fair it's probably a fair critique. Not right. Fine. Most weeks even. Yeah. Boo boo. We're real bad. What do gotta talk about, Mike? I got nothing. What? I Okay.

There we go. I tried talking about Bitcoin, and you shut me down. Yeah. I mean, it's not the clown show. What do you got? Welcome to the Luddite corner with Mike. Do we got some advice to give, Mike? Yeah. Is that where we're at? Yeah. Yeah. No articles or nothing? I'm trying to talk about the Bitcoin article. There were a couple of things from the backlog and stuff, but, it's all seem pretty heavy. We'll probably pick it up next week. I'm gonna educate you for five minutes on what a Bitcoin is. Here we go. Dear,

life from the path. Yep. My husband and I have been together for nine years, married for seven. I moved into his house with him, and I'm still not on the mortgage. I work full time in the medical field and contribute to all the bills. We did meet with an attorney, and if, God forbid, something happens to him, we have a quitclaim deed, and I wouldn't have to leave. However, he has said to me several times, if you do this or that, you can't live here anymore. I won't. Took a turn. Wow. That's bad. I'm on eggshells a lot. The presence of your legal document is not the problem. My concern is that he could tell me to leave anytime, and I wouldn't have a say in it. I love him with all my heart, but he makes me feel like I'm disposable. It makes me sad and uneasy. What do you think?

Hold on. You've been married for seven years, though. Just because you're not on the deed, like, you're still legally married. Yeah. I don't Steve, what what do you what do you I mean, what do you think about this? What do you think? I got a lot of thoughts running through my head. Yeah. I got What's the, like, what comes with the what's the cream? What's the cream of the crop? What's the marshmallow? No. Jack, what's the cream, mister? I go backwards to, like they chose to get married. Yep. This is a gal. Right? Yeah. He's asking the question. Yeah.

You guys got married. Like, I don't know. You find it's necessary to have both people on the mortgage? So I'm not super worried about that. I don't I don't They're right there. Because they're because they're married. Like, if if this is a

a whole institution, I don't know if this particular marriage is or not, because they were together a couple years before they got married. So Yeah. Unholy. So

So I'm I'm not judging there, but just traditionally speaking. Steve's not wrong. Virgins marry fast. That's what I'm gonna tell you. They only date for months, not years. You tell me it ain't right. I'm just talking about my own experience. My wife and I were married at 20. Maybe that did or did not have Yeah. Yes. That's why I didn't have time to ask the father-in-law and say, I got nothing to do. Yeah. I did. They didn't even ask the parents. That's right. Yeah. Someone goes, hey. We've been dating for four years and say, you knock it off. Yeah. Dating.

Practice. Pretend. Married. Yeah. No way. And and yeah. So are we worried that we're getting kicked out of the house? I mean, he is threatening her. Right? He's like, hey. You don't you straighten up your ways or you're out of here. I mean, what's she doing? This does seem to be Could be justified. She gets the discount peanut butter. You know, I don't like the nutty spread.

Did did she did she burn my toast? Hillel. Hillel. Steve's on the Hillel train. Okay. So, like, is the major concern here that, like, she seems to be focused in on the property, and, like, we're more focused in on, like, why does your marriage sound like it's in a bit of shambles? Yeah. Yeah. I'm with Steve. Like, I why are we planning for the divorce? So let's let's invest in the marriage. I agree with that, totally. The reality was, it doesn't matter his name's on the deed. If you divorce,

they'll sort it out. The problem is that whatever it is about your marriage is like something that your husband could hold over you, he is holding over you. Right. That's the problem. Yeah. That's the issue that you have right now. I'm so sorry for you in this situation that, like, your husband is constantly saying, like, you keep doing that, I'm a kick you out of this house. Like, that sounds like a horrible marriage to be in. What would now wait. Is there anything that could that she could be doing that which you would find this acceptable? If she was peeing on the carpet? Threatening to kick her out of the house? Yeah. If she was, like Gallivanting with another fella? Sure. To an extent. Yeah. Like, think there's something like Well, like, hey. Listen. I've told you you gotta stop pooping on your You

guys were dating for two years. Either you were not paying attention or she just changed overnight. Tailed it in for a while. I can't do this anymore. My my wife will argue that I did not belch nearly as much as I do after marriage as I did before. Yeah. Actually, I didn't realize, but my farting has become a real problem over the last couple of years. You've also been together for twenty years. Especially while I'm sleeping. How your body rocks. I've never been accused so many times of nefarious farting while I'm sleeping as if I had scoped it out, like, every 02:30 in the morning, I decide to let one womp out of there. I've heard that kind of thing. God bless our wives, fellas. I said, what are you doing awake? You should be sleeping. That's not my problem. What are gonna put my butt for? If someone rode in and asked that as as your life or the path, we would be like, You're totally looking at this wrong. Why are you awake in the middle of the night? Not why is your husband so flatulent at 02:00 in the morning? I'm in my Sabbath rest. You're in my Sabbath rest. What? Wait. You want me to try to This is the Lord's day, babe. You should be asleep.

Oh, that's horrifying. That is horrifying. You cannot control what happens at my leisure. Every sitcom dad from the eighties now makes all the sense to me. Now listen. Here's the thing that I've never experienced. I have no idea what an uncontrolled fart from me sounds like because I meter them all. Ever since I got married, I meter them. I I keep an eye on them. I don't let them get out of hand. But I can't imagine what this noise is when I'm sleeping, paying zero attention, got no zero got nowhere with all about me. Yeah. I should've known when I said what I said that this is how this conversation was gonna break down. Yeah. Mike's gonna be like, I'd like to talk to you about all of my marital flatulence. I didn't get a chance to talk the first fifty four minutes of this conversation. I'm gonna give you two straight minutes on my marital flatulence. This is what it looks like for him to save it up and let it go late at night. That's the truth. It's the truth. Both both ways. Alright. But but so you're saying, one, I feel bad for the lady because Yeah. She's even in a situation where this dude is doing this. Right. You're not. There's no situation in which she's, like, completely blameless. I don't think that's a real situation. But, like, you guys really need some help to figure this piece out. And the you're absolutely right. It's not it's not the mortgage that you need to figure out. Like, the the stability that you're looking for is not a legal document.

Like, that's not what you need. Like, you need to be reassured in your marriage that, like, he's not constantly trying to throw you away. Like, that's the situation. Your husband needs to step up to that. There's probably stuff that you're doing that drives him nuts. Like, there's no doubt about it. But, like, that's not how people act when they love each other. Like, that's not how people, like, threaten to kick each other out of their houses when when they're trying to work towards a godly marriage or a marriage in general that is is is accommodating to one another. It's avid shower for sure. Exactly. Yeah. Right. You should feel safe, and you do not. And I'm so sorry about that situation. And I hope that you and your husband can find some place, whether it's a counseling or whether it's a you need Jesus, which is undoubted, like, to be the center of your marriage and an arbiter for both of you so that you both can see what it feels like to be safe and loved and considered within your marriage. Yeah. Yeah. I'm pretty sure my wife has all kinds of stuff that just got her name on it and yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that's no big deal. Be shot. My wife's name is the first name on our car on my car. I don't care. Yeah. I prefer it that way. So Yeah. Yeah. Let's take a couple more steps back and and not worry about our housing and fix the root. Of the problem. She's worried about losing that investment of seven years into that mortgage, and she should be highly

more concerned about the investment in that relationship and the marriage and put their focus on there. And I think that would make healthier for everyone. So It doesn't doesn't not make sense, though. It was like, why wouldn't he just put her on a mortgage? Like, at least This is not that easy. That's what I was just gonna say. It's like I mean, 29 pages of signing I mean, in in new interest rates and Yeah. You know, it's just like okay. Think about that. So the pair the pair you guys like, that sounds like a lot of effort. You don't have to refinance to add somebody. I I I don't know. Gonna do that. Here's the thing. If I, I don't remember At least gotta pay back. The loan I, like, I was trying to think. I think the loan from our house is in my name, but I think the deed is in both of our names, which is see, that makes more sense. Yeah. Yeah. So but, like, here's the deal. If it really mattered to her, I would if I was him, I would be like, this seems like a really odd hang up because I'm not going anywhere. But he doesn't seem like a nice man. You know what I'm saying? It's just a symptom of a broader problem. Here's what I would tell him.

If you had a chance to speak to this guy, what you have is the limits of the goodness of your marriage are only what you can personally handle. Right? Because the threat, the, the threat that he's doing is like, do the thing that I want to do or behave the way I want you to behave. Otherwise, I will force you. Like, I will threaten you so that you fall into line. But like the, obviously the problem with that is that like, he is not allowing this woman to, to shape influence and change him. Like we've talked about this multiple times that like the, the, the way that I understand biblically how we talk about marriage,

there are only the, the person that you're married to is the person who has the ability to shape and change you. You get to say hose off to the rest of the world if you want to. These are the people who have the ability to do that. Much of that influence that a lady has, men tend to speak respect. When they feel respected, they tend to listen. They can be influenced by that. If they feel like they're being disrespected, they're not actually likely to take in the types of things that you're saying. And so there's a practicality to it. The way the Bible talks about men is a man who's willing to lay down his life and give up everything he has for the woman that he is married to. She tends to be feel safe and trustworthy with that man. So when he tells her, suggests something to her on something about the way that she's thinking or doing something, she's more likely to listen to that very thing because it comes from a man who can be trusted. Wow. And so as those things are true, what he's doing is closing off any ability for himself to be better and for his marriage to be better because he's basically cut off that party. Because the, like the limits, I do not want my wife to suffer by the limits of what I believe

to be the right way for any given thing to go in any given time. There is a, there is a place of which I bear the responsibility for a marriage. And so if, if, if we've got to flip a coin and make a decision, I will bear that. But it is foolish for me to cut off the influence of this woman that God has gave me, who is the one person whose praise elates me and who speaks harshly to me, I feel super low. I can tell every other dude or lady in the world to go take pound sand, but not this woman. So she has much power over me and she should, just like the man does the other way. And so I think that is, he's missing out. He thinks that he's controlling and, that his world is better because of that that way that he can manipulate his wife. He's wrong. He's missing out. And he's a fool because of it. Wow. One arm up, bubo. You know what I'm saying? Thank you. Says, your husband should not be threatening you. Good.

You live in a state which assets are decided by a judge quotes on an equitable basis. For your peace of mind, schedule an appointment with an attorney and discuss where you should be financially if your marriage should not work out, then plan accordingly. Time to bring in some lawyers. Yeah. I mean, here's the deal. She said she loves this man with with all her heart. Bless her. But, like, the things that the yeah. The the things that need to change are in the marriage itself. It has nothing to do with this legal stuff. You

meet Jesus. You pray through that. You find community who can support you even when your marriage isn't ideal. You passionately attempt to try to help this man understand and see Jesus too. Then he will understand and see the world around him better. It's very hard to move people who have a sense of authority and power over people, because why would you give it up?

Jesus changes that, but people just don't normally go, Oh, you know what would be better is if she doesn't do what I say whenever I say it. Yeah. Right. You know what I'm saying? Or just ride the wave of unknown. Yeah. But, yeah. But it's such a low bar, dude. Like, you're missing out, and you just don't know it. Okay. Ready? Last one. Dear life from the path, my best friend has an aging father who will not bathe more than twice a month. Even

then, it's usually just one five minute shower about every three weeks. Mhmm. Her dad changes clothes at about the same frequency. My friend has tried everything, asking nicely, nagging, pleading, etcetera. He continues to ignore her. What, if anything, can my friend do? We're missing context. Yeah. Is he Why are they together? Well, no. Is he does he stink? It doesn't say. It doesn't say whether he's got some This man bathes and changes his clothes every three weeks, Ben. I mean, he he's he's elderly. Right? So it's not, like, probably working and sweating and getting gross. He's probably just laying around the house watching, you know, Andy Griffith and Yeah. Going smoke. Whistling.

Yeah. I just well, I got my whistling time. You guys are taking in a world that I think I take in differently because I I don't think it matters if you're watching Gunsmoke or if you're out welding. Well, but you're young is three weeks, friend. That's a that's a right fish. You're a young man. I don't I don't know about that. It's not normal. Young man. I'm 33. Yeah. But, like, like, daily showering is not particularly normal? Like, like, worldwide people are doing that? Okay, yes. What

I'm asking here is first, is this actually a problem? If it's actually a problem, then I think you got secondary things. Are there health issues? Yeah. Is he got health problems? Is he getting sores? Is he gross? If he's not gross, then what do you care? I don't know, man. Even if you're gonna hold off on running this running the syrup, I feel like, you gotta change your Grundos every once in a while. Maybe he's not even wearing any. He's commandos. Now

wait a minute. Are you saying he strolls the round in his house in the lord's good beauty? He no. He's just in the in the grape colored fruit of the looms, walking around in sweatpants all day. Chino commando. I think that's what he does. Chino commando is the worst thing ever. If if he was running all natural

at his own place for three weeks, I'd say he's probably pretty clean. Yeah. I might be the only one here that just isn't Who's around this guy? Like Seems like his daughter. Yeah. Hold on. What was the what who who's complaining? This is a friend of daughter whose elderly dad rarely bathes or changes his clothes. Yeah. Yeah. You think you think she's being, like, is she there all the time? Maybe he just has eight eight pairs of the same thing. It's enough of a problem that she's telling her friend about it, and her friend is is emailing us. Yeah.

They said he said one of the see, this is where I find this hard to believe, though, because he said even when he does shower, it's only a five minute shower about every three weeks. I I the five minutes is not a problem. You can get in and get out in five minutes. Yeah. Agreed with that. Yeah. There's a there's a level of you need to take this in with with who's saying the thing. And three weeks doesn't equal twice a month. Yeah. It's two weeks. Yeah. There's a lot of discrepancies in the story. He probably smells great. Yeah. He probably showers all the time. There is there is a leap She's just he had. She's just jealous. He probably smells great and I mean, you're you're overreacting. Yeah. She's jelly. Why are you for sure. She's yes. We are to take this and go. Our advice is, shut up, jealous. Okay. You wish you could do whatever you're gonna be. What's the least what's the least amount you could take a shower in in, like, the amount of time? What's the what what do you demand has to happen? I'm apparently the wrong person to ask in this room because I shower twice a day. No. Yep. Agreed. That's what you're I was anticipating that you were going to objectively say, no. No. Are you disagreeing that I shower twice a day? No. I think Or are saying that's too much? No. I think that's perverse. I'm

pretty sure it was in Deuteronomy that that that's wrong. The good lord has blessed me in in a way in which I can afford two showers a day, and I'm good. I'm a keep Moses hit the rock. He was trying to hit the guy that was showering every day right front of it. It's a flaunting of your wealth. Privilege. Flaunting of your wealth. Yeah. I'm super don't pay a water bill. Two showers a day. I don't I like, I would say, I don't know. Once a week. Once a week for an old person? Yeah. I like that. Like, not a lot of activity. It's enough to like, because I mean, you can get a sit funk. You can be hanging around, and your crevices

your crevices crazy. Oh, no. You can get a sit funk and in your crevices happening within five seconds of each other are awful, Ben. That is just wrong. I see. If you'd like to let us know what you think about Ben saying those things What? You should let us know on the live for the Path complaint line. You said (515) 517-0085. Noah's Garden. That's what you said. You did say Noah's Garden. I said Noah's Vineyard, first off. Okay. It's it's safe. Off, I think Noah's Wines would be a hysterical vineyard name. Oh. Yeah. Real shady stuff happened in his life. And his son are having troubles in the back. Yeah. Maybe

it's not the greatest choice. But it's better than to get a sit funk in your crevices. And the medical opinion of the gentlemen in this room, two of which look like roadkill, are the ones who are willing to say, I bet you could shower once a week and be You fine. Don't look like roadkill. That's unnecessarily harsh at yourself. Speaker I mean, that's fair, and I appreciate that critique. However In either case, okay, let's presume there's a problem. A week is right, twice a day is a privilege. She didn't mention any health problems or any like, when if if you if I was gonna try to make an argument that somebody should shower more often Sure. Like, I would have brought it up. Like, hey, man. He's got sores. He's boils. He's got a fruit loop stuffed to his butt cheeks. Yeah. The person the person is not being altruistic and going like because it sounds like she feels bad for her friend,

not feels bad for the elderly gentleman who's only showering once every three weeks. Like, she's saying, what can my friend do to eliminate this problem? Because they're probably offended by the the the sit funk. Are they helping in the showers? Probably not. Okay. So alright. So let let's let's let's there's two avenues. We're gonna answer these two avenues. Avenue one, he's he's it's to his detriment. There are, are things, it's not good for his health. He actually does stink pretty bad. He doesn't seem to notice it or is not motivated to do much about it. Right. What's the advice on that one?

Haven't I can't even imagine having a conversation with my elderly father that says, hey, dad. Like, I know I know life is tough sometimes, and I know that you're getting along in your years, and it probably is just a total pain, and you have nothing to prove to anybody or impress anybody. But, like, for your health and your safety, we need to talk about your hygiene. I don't know if I would ever have that conversation. Put it on calendar. Bring it to a doctor. Probably he's probably just if he's retired, he's either know it's Monday or eight or Saturday. I mean, it's just like put it in your calendar. Have it eat. You have get a phone. Yeah. Yeah. He's been out Just do some remind working on his derby cars. To Dan's point, he can do it. Yeah. He is doing it. It seems like it once every three weeks. Yeah. For five minutes. So. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Be do a courtesy. Hey, dad. I probably didn't even know he's not doing it often. Yeah. Yeah. At first glance, yeah. Absolutely. I think that's a fair conversation to have at first. I think we talked about or they said that they do have this conversation, and they just won't do it. Is that Oh, I don't remember that part. The dad the dad just won't do it. Yeah. He just won't. So He tried nagging. He's tried bribing. He's tried bribing. That's right. Yep. Yeah. Do you think do you think it would change if you if they offered, like, home care or, you know, every Spits bad. If someone yeah. Someone come in and do, a a rag bath or something like that?

I mean, maybe. Yeah. What if you told them, like, hey. Look. You don't have to get all up in the shower, but, like, here's a package of wet wipes, and you need to do some do some maintenance every couple of weeks. Dude wipes in Sam's Club. Yeah. Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah. Dad, take care of that sit funk. Tired of it. Yeah. Good. I mean, he could be Here's a pack of wipes. He could be initially embarrassed about it and then stubborn. Right? Especially if he was his daughter. He doesn't have to be stubborn first. He could have just like, oh, that's the fact that someone mentioned it. Now you gotta play off like it's okay because it's hurting his pride. So you also, could maybe it depends, you know, if you could use somebody else. Somebody else he might take it differently. You write Mike from someone who's not his daughter or something. I mean, who knows if he's got any friends anymore, but, like, Chuck from the church came by and go, you know what, Fred? Yeah. It stinks like butt in here. It's too rank, Frank. Yeah. We noticed that the potluck that someone brought, kibasi and some cabbage in there, and we weren't sure if it was you or the crock pot. Yeah. Gross. You smell like Ellis Island, sir. You gotta do something different. Yeah. I I I like Dan I like Dan's idea. I think you just, put it on the calendar, make it not a public spectacle,

and, like I say, just remind him to do it. And then if that's not working, then, you know, offer to get him some help or, you know, whatever. I think it the more that people you involve and the more you make it look like you can't take care of himself, the more he just gets ashamed and embarrassed and then ends up trying to defend the thing he didn't believe in the first place. Yeah. I'm just sitting at the end of my seat waiting for what Secular has to say about this one. Yeah. Seven. And how much we disagree with it. Oh, What was the the the second option was it's it's actually not causing him a problem? Yeah. Yeah. It's causing the daughter a problem, not the dad. But but if it if he doesn't stink and he's not hurt,

maybe you just It just doesn't feel right that he has to He belongs in Belgium, where this is acceptable. Yeah. Yeah. We quit talking about it. Like Yeah. What's the problem here? I don't have tell of the daughter, not even the daughter. Shut up. Yeah. This is this is double this is triple hot gas. It's coming from too far out. Yeah. The tea is spilled. You ready? Yeah. I hope so. Oh, boy. Secular says, sometimes as people age, their olfactory sense diminishes. Was

your friend's aging father always this way, or this is relatively new behavior? If it's new and he has a doctor, he may need to be neurologically evaluated. If more is going on and he can no longer take care of himself, I e, do laundry, clean his home, etcetera, someone should do it for him on a regular basis. If he refuses to allow that, suggest she visit with him in well ventilated surroundings. Hey, dad. Let's go outside.

Can we turn on a fan? You need just vocational help? Not vocational. Sorry. Like, the help in your home or, hey. Let's go outside, and let's meet by the oak tree, dad. That's and like, I would have expected her to mention he also has if he's if those other problems existed. Like, doesn't do his laundry. He doesn't keep up after himself anymore. Yeah. But that a broad pattern of he's having trouble to care for himself would be common and a very normal conversation.

If everything else is fine and he just don't want to shower but every three weeks and it's not harming him, I think Steve's got a nail. You let this thing go. It would appear as though his olfactory senses seem to be failing. That happens in old age. His sniffer's a quitter. Got that's what you gotta say. Sniffer's a quitter. Yeah. I feel like we, kind of in a weird way had said the same thing as, secular here. Yeah. If it's a problem, do something about it. If it's not a problem, go outside. Shut up. Yeah. I can imagine a thing where this is not actually a big deal.

I just I just I think he's just living his days out, and he doesn't have a whole lot going on. And it it's possible he don't actually smell his own brand of waft anyway. And so he just thinks everything's on the cool. There's no reason to disrupt his his everyday schedule to run a shower. Just taking in the the statements back to back. He's he doesn't even notice his old brand of waft. He's just sitting in the cool. Alright. You've been listening to lot of guy dude from 1969. I want this man's life. That's the whole time you're talking about this, I'm sitting here like, everything that is is what is Mike saying, I'm not surprised that by any means. He's like, two weeks ain't bad.

Five minutes every three weeks? Oh, I wish I wish I could live that life. I wish this I got too many ladies at home telling me I got a shower. I just wanna be me. You don't like the way I smell? Go hang out with the animals. You've been listening live for the bath. Thanks for hanging out with us tonight. We very much appreciate it. Steve, thanks for being in the, studio tonight. I'm so happy to be here. Here we go. We were lucky you bailed us out on a couple of those advice things. We sucked up all the air in the room, Moova. That's right. We gotta dial it back. You specifically. And, if you got anything, for us on the old, complaint line, (515) 517-0085. Call or text. We'd love to hear from you if you got a complaint about the show. Hey. Listen here. The Life in the Path merchandise has been, flowing out, and people are enjoying it. These are quality, semi quality goods at, they're not cut rate prices, but, like, again, we're making pennies here. I just wanna make sure you're referring to the order that I placed yesterday.

What did you buy? Took a couple shirts. No. Didn't see that. Did you get me one? No. Smoke. Nope. They are flying out the door. I I'm I'm coming for that paddle ball set. It's expensive. Or pickleball. They got a pickleball with the with the war donkey on it. I it's hey. Mike, did you brew the war donkey coffee? No. I left it intact. Oh. I got someone's gotta try it. See if it's any good. Alright. Anyway, that's all we got. Go to lifefromthepath.org, and you can click a a link there that, to get to the shop, and, you can, pick up your life from the path wears, and, you you don't have to wear it out and about, you know? You can just wear it to sleep at night or something like that if you're embarrassed. I understand.

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