responsibility for that. So anyway, thanks for joining us. Again, you're listening to Live from the Path. My name is Ben Foost. It's good to be in the studio with you tonight. Tonight we have everybody, I have the regular crew back in the studio. How's it doing, everybody? Doing great. Doing great. Everybody's good? You know, it's weird. I remember last week, what we started talking about, the first thing I started talking about was I was upset for having been lied to by the city of Altoona in their propaganda about there being some kind of racetrack there, which was a total, like a NASCAR racetrack, and that was a lie. They do not have that at all. It was on the propaganda. And it was weird. I actually had a similar thing this week. And it's probably not as egregious, but it kind of falls along the same lines of something that I got a little irritated with. And I was listening to an AM talk radio station. And this AM talk radio station was talking about, it said, excuse me, excuse me. Dan, you know there's a camera on you, right? Dan's texting. I got a phone call. You know that everyone knows that you are not interested in the conversation and are otherwise occupied. No, I was listening. Something about Altoona, pamphlets. I wasn't listening. Thanks, Dan. I'm sorry, Ben. Me and Zach will give you our full attention. I love you, Ben. Go ahead. I'm picking up a new guy right here. He'll be on any moment. You'll notice

the listenership. That's what you're doing? Pop up. Yeah. He's soliciting. You're soliciting people? That's why you're bidding? I don't believe you somehow. It wasn't a good story. Yeah. That's just the website right there. That's true, actually. I think you might have just made that up just since we… I'm not that good. Hold on. Let me check my phone and see what you're sending me. All right. I don't even remember what I was talking about. Oh, sorry. That is rude. No, so they said there was a racetrack. How can they get by with that? Oh, no, no, no. That was the Altoona. Well, there is a racetrack in Altoona, but they made it appear as though NASCAR was like a big thing that goes on in Altoona, and that was not… But the city made it sound like that. Yeah, it was in the city. Yeah, yeah. Anyway. I'm sorry. How did you get rooked again this week? Yeah, so anyway. Oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah. I'm being maltrue. Wait, you said that. So I was listening to an AM talk radio station. Sounds boring. Doggone it.

That's all I listen to. He's out for the camera. I don't know how that works. Hold on a minute. How does it do? I've got a broken camera. It's a rough one today, fellas. Yeah, it's pointing straight up, yeah. There we go. Yeah, that's the business. There it is. I look good. So anyway, you were listening to an AM radio station. I'm captivating you. I didn't know what I'd tell. It's not a good story anyway. No, I'm interested. It wasn't a good story. Did they ever come pick up your sticks from last week? Actually, they picked them up today. Yeah, that's been a while. Except they left them all over the street. Like, I came in, I came home, and I took the time to grab all these sticks and bunches and stuff and put them to the front of my yard, and the city was supposed to bring people by to come pick it up, and what do they do? They strewn, like, sticks all over the road. Yeah. Yeah.

So I had to… Someone's got to clean them up. And we just got a warning from the city about, like, you're not allowed to mow and have your grass clippings in the… Do you know why? They'll say you're fine. Because it's clogged the sewer? Yeah, it clogs up the wastewater. Really? Yeah. It's a big issue. So that's bad when I blow all my stuff into the street? Especially if you chemically treat your grass. They don't want that. That's true. Yeah. What if I don't pay for it, though? They treat it, I don't pay the bill. That doesn't matter. Never mind. What are you talking about? Why would that matter? That's like saying I vandalized the building with free spray paint. I'm having a bad evening, all right? I didn't pay for the spray paint. In fact, that's who he was texting. It's in the mail. Did you get the job done?

Check is in the mail. Yeah. Did you get the job done? Spray paint there? Yes, exactly. Sorry. That camera debacle is just now showing up live for everyone to listen to. I seriously had forgotten what I was upset about. I was… Oh, you know what? Sticks. A.M. radio. It wasn't that big a deal. So I was listening to the A.M. talk radio station. I was listening for days. It happened to be they got on there and they said something like, something to the extent of, you know, it's pretty hard to get local weather on any of those digital radio stations or a talk radio station that only, you know, syndicates national hosts, unlike our station. And then they went on to talk about their stuff. But like, the station that they're talking about, there's an FM talk station here in town. Like, they cut in for local weather once every 30 minutes. Yeah. I mean, it's a blatant lie. They're trying to, like… So the only way I wouldn't know that is if I didn't ever listen to any other station and I thought, oh yeah, well, I won't be… Good thing I won't change my channel. Yeah, I won't be caught short by somebody else who doesn't give me local weather, even

though, like, the other station blatantly gives local weather and local news updates all the time. See, I would have been had by that because that would have been the only time I've ever listened to A.M. radio. So I'd have been like, you're right. You don't listen to, and can we have our next call, please, welcome to Open Forum. That's all I listen to. That's all I've listened to since I was 18. What? That's why you're boring. I am. I am boring. Do you listen to Open Forum with Brother Camping? I have no idea what you're talking about. Seriously? No. Been? It's been a long time. With who? Brother Camping. He sounds like he's eaten, like, 10 rocks and he's got to be 85 years old, but he does a Bible show. And people call him with Bible questions. And he says, I mean, 50 times an hour he goes, And can we take our next call, please? Welcome to Open Forum. And he says it just like that. It's a solid show.

And I've never heard it? No. Man, I've… You haven't lived. I haven't lived. I hear those shows and I always go like, that is a stupid answer. What do you mean? I don't know. I can't speak for that individual. You don't agree with any Bible analyst? Not a lot of mainstream stuff. I just go, you serious? Well, he can't be that mainstream. I've never heard of him. He's probably broadcasting out of his basement. Well, that could be. It's not that bad. Is there anybody… Is there any radio show that you purposely listen to? Yeah. You want to say? Do I want to… Okay. Actually, lately, because I'm afraid I might pop something when I'm driving, I have like an artery or something. I've lately tuned into a lot more sports radio and… So you don't get so upset? Yeah.

Because you listen to political radio? Correct. Yeah. Most of the stuff I listen to is political. WHO, maybe? I listen to a lot of WHO. Yeah. Yeah. Do you listen to that Steve Dace? I do. I think he's a solid individual. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. What would you think of him? Sure got it a lot. I don't really listen to him. This is the worst show ever. What is it? This one? Yeah. What? This has got to be the most interesting three minutes of radio I've ever heard or been a part of in my life. Yeah. The opener story was pretty boring, but it got worse. Yeah. Way to lower the bar for it.

Hey, restart. Can you play the music again? Restart? No. The music's not even playing right. Do a restart. What's wrong with the equipment tonight? We're having a rough go. Anyway. I quit. Do it. Please. Start paying your chemical lawn company. See, that's right. If I was home more, I could pay my chemical bill. I don't treat the lawn. Why don't they let you… Really? Why don't they let you put mower clippings? I mean… You can't see why that's not good. It's biodegradable. It dries up before it ever… No. Well, they have to process it. It costs them more to process dirty, filthy nasty stuff. It ends up in the stream. All that stuff goes right back in the streams.

I mean… Yeah? Well, so… What are you supposed to do with it? Bag it up. What if… Yeah. I don't have a thing that bags. You got a bag. You got a rake. I'm spending too much money on taxes. Look, this is part of the commitment of being a homeowner. That is… If you don't want to get with the program, go back to the… You're living in a condo. Street, yeah. I mean, street isn't just free reign. Like, it is public area. You can't just do, you know… Why can't I put trash there? I blow my leaves purposely in the street. I can't say I'm much better. I've set it up so I mow my lawn… I can't rid of my leaves. …in a circle. So it blows outwards. So it goes into my neighbor's yards and the street. Wouldn't it go up to your house, too?

No. Once I do that, like, I mow in a straight line right in front of the house, kicking it completely this way first. And then shoot at the other directions. And then I start shooting at the other. Yeah. See, I can't really talk because I'm not a homeowner, so, I mean, I'd probably be doing those things. I only mow until… Like, my neighbors mowed, like, four times. And I'm like, oh, I guess I better mow. And so by the time I mow, it's getting pretty long. And I could see I could clog a lot of things. Do you have to mow it twice? There are times. Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty bad. And it's not that I'm, like, laying around watching Gilligan's Island. I mean, I'm… I mean, you do, but that's not the reason you're not mowing. It's on DVR when it's late and it's dark, you know. I just… Does dark have anything to eat? Well, you can't mow in the dark. Unless you are, like, a rich, like Mike, and he has probably headlights and stuff. I do. I have a headlight on my running lawn. With a bagger.

And I've actually had the police summoned on me because I… Is this true? Oh, yeah. This has gotten more interesting. Yeah. My father-in-law was coming over to help me do something some afternoon. And he keeps his lawn well-manicured, you know. I've heard of people that do that. And I don't. I've heard of them. I've read about it. Who are these people? In a pamphlet. I'll tune in a pamphlet. Yeah. So I didn't want to be embarrassed when he came over and saw my huge lawn, you know. So I got up at 5.30 in the morning and I start buzzing around, you know, on my riding lawn mower. Ooh, that's pretty early. It was pretty early. You have a big lawn? It's two-thirds of an acre. So it's legitimate to have a riding lawn mower? It still takes me two hours on a riding lawn mower. Yeah. Okay. So, anyway, I'm mowing it and someone next door calls me in for disturbing the piece. Wow. All they did was…

No, that's ridiculous. All they did was say that you can't be mowing at 5.30 in the morning. And I said, I was almost done. You know, can I just finish? And he goes, probably not. Is there really a time limit set to mowing? Is that in the city, like, I don't know, rules or whatever they have? I bet there are codes. It's 6 o'clock or something. Do you think they give you a copy of those laws if you ask for them? That's online. What's, like, the official… Is it a noise complaint? Or is it a… Or you said it's disturbing the piece? I mean, yeah. No, I know there's noise, but I mean, like… But what's the official… I doubt it specifically says, can't do a lawn… I think it does. A lot of city codes do now. I'd assume it's a decibel-level thing. You know what I'm saying? Like they say, here's your neighborhood residential… You need to put that muffler back on. Yeah. Yeah, well… He souped it up, so it sounds mean is why.

He has the pipes on it with little beams. I spent a lot of time fixing the mower, but no time using it. That's that NASCAR thing. He's got a subwoofer in the back. That's his bonnet. You got the wrong guy. I always thought I was going to put a car radio on my mower, and I never do it. I always swear I'm going to do it, and I never do it. But mostly it just seems like a waste of time. See, I was hoping… I thought the story was going like you were 10 at night, and you had a drink or two, and you know, you're acting crazy on the… No, that doesn't happen. That doesn't happen. I don't drink at all. Zero. Like absolutely nothing. Not even on the mower. No, not even on the mower. That vanilla, though, will get you. It'll work. That's a great vanilla. Have you ever had the police called on you for any reason? When we first started Pathway, we had the band rehearsing in our garage. Yes. And that was a really great welcome to the neighborhood. And someone called the police on you? I think it was the guy across the street who's always grinding his cars, always working

on old cars, and he's grinding it like at midnight. I'm like, dude, that's noisy. He's outside. That's just my thought. Because nobody else even cares. Yeah. Zachary, police? Not police. I mean, we just had the, we had a ton of false, when we lived in our apartment, we lived on the third floor, and we had a ton of false noise complaint reports. And I'd be honest, if we were being loud or whatever, or banging your feet, or like, you know, having people over and everybody's getting a little carried away or something. But we got one time, we had a crazy lady live beneath us, and she would always call a noise complaint on us. And it was literally like, me and my wife and our six-month-old baby, what are we doing doing? You know, what do you think we're doing up here? And there was one time, literally, that, and this would be like the third or fourth time it happened, and we were in bed, sleeping. I don't like where this is going. They come like, bang, no, no, just legitimate. There's a noise order in this. It was legitimate, actually sleeping. And yeah, we got a knock on the door, and then it was kind of weird, so like, I didn't, like, you know, when it's late and you got a knock on the door, like, I don't know, I'm not like jumping up just to like, hey, who is it? You know what I mean? So we went away, and then they called.

And I was like, this is ridiculous. And then I called back, and I said, hold on, are you sure you got the right, like, apartment number? Because this is absurd. Anyways, that was really it. But I mean, no big police force, you know? I mean, whatever happened to a neighbor coming over, dude, it's, you know, you're really noisy, and I know you're asleep, but can I wake you up until you're, I mean. And if we were, then, you know. It's immediately, let's call the police. Yeah. Why didn't someone kind of say, hey, you know, it's really early, could you, like, maybe not mow this early next time? Yeah. Yeah, right, right, you got to call the, you know. I would never call the police on a neighbor, ever. Unless they were, like, illegal. I was under the impression that my neighbor was spousally abusing, and so, and I was working. Well, then beat him up. But that, I don't know, but that, I don't know if you want to go over and get involved. I want to get involved. I went over there. I want to be physically involved. Oh, you went over there? Yeah, I went over there. Oh, okay. Because the only reason, here's the thing, is, and it may have been just because of my

younger days, the only reason I went over there is because it was affecting me directly. You know, because my wife was staying at home by herself with our newborn baby, because I was working nights, too, and it was loud, and it was ridiculous, and it was just unsettling. You know, so I went over there, and a dude answered the door, and I said, I said, look, I said, I know exactly what you got going on here. If I hear it outside of your walls again, then I'm going to call the police, but stay away from my house and tone it down. And then I looked at the lady, and I said, you have options. And then I left. That's all I got. You know, I mean, it's not… How about how she took that? I don't know. I have options. They ended up leaving. You don't live there anymore. Was this an apartment or a house? No, it's a house. They rented a house right next to mine. Wow, it was that loud to go across a side yard and everything? I mean, like… Yeah. They had windows open? Yeah. No, no. It was really sad. Like, I have a rental house right next to my house, and there is a circus of dudes rucking in and out of here.

You know, like, it was the spouse abuse people, and then followed by these Mexicans that I really liked, because if I forgot to take my garbage up, they would always do it for me. Nice. That's nice. They were really cool. I mean, they would always have, like, some kind of party and be drinking or whatever, but they were always nice and quiet, you know, and never caused me any problems. And then, you know, a couple weeks, I forgot to take my trash out on a Wednesday, and they rocked it out for me. I was like, you guys are the coolest neighbors ever. You know, and then they left, and then replaced by methamphetamine dealers. I used to rent a house. When we moved back to Des Moines, we had to sell our house we were living in prior to that, you know, and it was like three and a half, four years, so we finally started renting it, because we were going broke, and yeah, we had, I'd had a meth situation going on. They trashed the place, and I was hardly asked. And in your rental? Yeah, yeah. Wow. You know, and they're thinking, oh, this is slum load. He's obviously wealthy. It's like, dude, I can't even make the bills. I mean, I'm charging you less than I'm, you know, I'm just trying to be nice. You know, someone needed a place to live, and we had to replace all kinds of stuff. Doors. I mean, it was nasty. It was terrible.

You get burned pretty bad. That meth's hard to deal with. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was on a jury once. Really? It was like a meth case. Did you actually make it to trial? Yeah. It was awesome. I always get myself kicked out early. I've never been asked. I wanted to. You seriously? You've never been out of that? Never been asked. I've got it twice. Like, some people go their whole life, they're 80 years old, never had it, and I've, well, I haven't been on a case. I've been on a case once, and then more recently, like, actually a couple months ago, I got jury duty again, and didn't have to actually even get called in then, but yeah, I actually got on a case. It's pretty fun. I think it'd be fascinating. Yeah. I don't think anybody would like me, though. They immediately get rid of me.

Yeah. That's what happens. Probably. I have too many opinions. There was a lady that was suing, the one that I went down there for, there was a lady that was suing for wrongful, I don't know, she was suing the insurance company for, what's it called, what's the damages called? What do you mean, comprehensive? Yeah, comprehensive. Yeah, the above and beyond, like, emotional. Oh, the punitive damage. Yeah, punitive damage, you know, it seemed completely litigious, you know, like, for no reason, you know, and so they asked, they go, how do you feel about the insurance companies? And I said, I think they're just honest businessmen trying to make an honest dollar, and people who sue them are just money-hungry hounds. Now, were you trying to get out of it? Yeah, I was probably asked to leave, but the problem is, that's what I thought. I really think so. Isn't it true that they only have so many vetoes or whatever, like, to say, you can't go through 600 jurors and keep saying no, no. They only have, like, a certain number that they can say no to, and then you just start to get stuck with people. Well, they pretty much try to weed out intelligent people, like, immediately. Yeah, they want people. Hey, hold on now. I made it to true. I'm not trying to apply anything. I'm just saying.

Well, they want people they can manipulate, right? Well, yeah. Because people who are easily persuaded by the spoken word. Yeah, see, I gave, I went the other way, because I wanted to get on. Yeah, yeah. And I wasn't really doing anything much better. You have to dumb down their answers in order to make it. Yeah, yeah, so I was very vague in my, I don't know, you know, they're trying to kind of draw opinions out of you or something. I'd be like, the air. Well, I was just kind of, I really picked neutral answers, you know, just like. How do you feel about theft? It could go either way. I feel sorry for those poor people who are forced into stealing things. It's society that is wrong, these people. He can turn, and can you influence people? Absolutely. I can change mine. How do you feel about theft? How about you guys? Theft, theft, you're with me. Yeah, you. I can rile this bunch up. Put me on. It got pretty riled up, though. And then when we had to deliberate or whatever, they add all the evidence, and it was just like bags of meth and other, whatever. It was mostly, I think, meth, but I just, I remember holding it, and I was thinking like,

this is the closest I'll ever be, and ever want to be, but like, I mean, when does somebody just hold that, and you're like, wow, that's crazy. You get to hold it? Yeah, well, like, I mean, within the big bag, yeah. They like pass it down the aisle, and everybody take a look for it? Well, no, when you're deliberate, you're in your own, you know, the jury room, and you're talking it out and everything. And everything that was available during the court trial is for you to look at. So do people like getting arguments? There's not really a reason to look at the bag of drugs, but there could be. I don't know. Face that. I'm not sure. Yeah. That's not real. That's the stuff. Yeah, that's the way. Hold on. I don't know. Where'd Frank go? He decided to repaint the bathroom. He'll be back in just a minute. This guy's coming for jury duty every week. Yeah, yeah. He seems to get on those drugs. Do you guys have any drug cases? Yeah, any drug cases? I'd like to volunteer, you know.

I'm tired of these guys. I want to put them away. That's just crazy. I mean, like, does the jury in their behind closed doors kind of argue? I mean, yeah. Well, it was funny because there was, I mean, it was very typical, like, of what is portrayed sometimes. Because, obviously, like, television movies, like, they're going to dramatize it. Like, the courtroom is nothing really at all, like, you know, they just sit there and ask questions. They're not standing up and pacing around and, you know, addressing the jury with big long. I mean, they're just kind of, it's kind of a casual thing. Is there a dude there with an orange jumpsuit? It was a woman, actually, who was on trial. How sexist of me. She can also commit crimes. That's right. Yeah, that's right. And I don't think, I can't, she wasn't an orange jumpsuit. I think she was wearing regular clothes. I don't know if she was out on bail. I don't remember. But, anyways, but the deliberation was actually pretty typical because there was, like, one or two or three younger people who, and I was younger, too, but I kind of care. I kind of, it was fun for me. Yeah. But, like, there was some people that just didn't care. And they were literally just going to vote whichever way gets them out of there.

Like, they got picked and they didn't want to get picked. And they're, like, you know. Glad that your life is hanging on the balance of people who really could give a rip. Yeah, right, right. Yeah, and then, but then you've got the other, you know, other people that care more. And it was really, because we was, it was split. And we had to come to, you know, an agreement. There was, like, four different counts she was on, you know, on trial for. And two of them were more serious and two of them were less. But, and it actually came down to, this is pretty interesting. It came, it basically all came down. She was, like, the side, the sideshow of the big trial. Like, there was the main, it wasn't, like, a big trial. But, I mean, like, the main guy was, like, convicted. And she was, like, the girlfriend. And so he was, he had his own separate trial. And he was the drug dealer, right? But the point is, was, for her, was, was she, is she involved? So she had her own separate trial. And it basically came, it basically came down to, can you prove that she was claiming that, hey, I don't live there anymore. I don't have anything to do with this guy anymore. Yeah, some of my stuff was still there, but it's only because I burned out. Including all my weed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which one I'm going to get back for tomorrow. Did you taste that? So at any time, were you sitting there thinking, okay, I played the role of an idiot to be on here.

You people really are stupid? Yeah, well, it was just, it was interesting. No wonder you can't get on a jury. Yeah, yeah. You people are stupid. I wouldn't say you'd say it out loud, but you're just going, seriously? Well, it was, but it was really interesting because, like, well, it was different. Because it wasn't necessarily about, like, oh, is this person bad? And, I mean, she's obviously involved in bad stuff or, but, like, it was, so it was really interesting to come down to it and see, and especially when you started talking in the deliberation of, was she involved in this and knowledgeable of it and around, or was she actually truly, like, she claims to be separated herself from it and just wasn't kind of an innocent, you know. She was all praying. Was there a stubborn holdout? Like, or was the people just on the fence? Was the guy who was like, nope, she's innocent. Yeah. Yeah, you know, well, it was funny because one of the counts was, like, the failure to obtain a drug stamp or something. Oh, yeah, yeah. Brr, taxes. The stamp to the tax stamp, right? Yeah, that's a sneaky way of going, yeah, we're going to get you. And I was actually, like, really, really strong and had kind of part of the group with me on, I think that's ridiculous. Like, come on, a taxed drug stamp? You know, like, that's just made up.

That's the law. Yeah, you can't change the law, Zach. No, no, exactly. And that's what I actually had to, I went home and I thought about it and I came back the next day and I said, I said, guys, I got to open, I got to say this. I know I was outspoken and trying to rile everybody up about this. And I said, I got to admit, you know, yeah, it's not my job to interpret whether the law is right or not. Just did she, being the law as is what it is, did she break it? Right. And that was a clear, yes, you broke it. You know what I mean? There's nothing more to it. But it was actually, but it was interesting that it came down to, they had a lot of photos that they took of the house as they were, you know, they, I don't know, they arrested everybody and, you know, they were taking pictures of the whole house. And so basically the whole thing came down to, can you tie her to still living in this house or was her stuff just still there? And I actually was, was looking through the, there's all these pictures and I was looking ashtrays and other things used for ashtrays, like everywhere, cigarettes, trash in the kit, just all over the place. And I started really looking and analyzing this, these pile of cigarettes and I was able to determine they were Virginia slams. If you know anything about cigarettes, men do not smoke Virginia slams. Are those those long draggers? Yeah, those are long. And I know that because my mom smokes them. And I, and I know for a fact that…

What are you, Dr. Michael? Mm-hmm. That's right. Go on. So how long have you gone this way? Virginia slams. Anyway, cigarettes, I'm with you. But it's true. Tell me more. I don't think a guy would ever have, I mean, you know, has ever bought Virginia slams. Have you ever seen, you know, the guy on, on, on the horse with the big rugged coat with in the ad? Yeah, Virginia slams. Yeah, right, right. Was it you with the guy that smokes Virginia slams on the Facebook? Is there, is there one? Oh, yeah. I tell you what, I'll, we'll do this after we take the, after the first break. Um, we're going to go Facebook diving for people with your same name. And you got a classic. Yes. Yeah. Dan, Dan has a classic. Uh, Zach, actually everybody. Oh, really? He's got a classic guy. Nice. My guy is pretty good, too.

He looks pretty good. It's like, like good, like good or like, uh. I think he's smoking a Virginia slams is what it comes up in his Facebook photos. Proving Zach wrong. Yeah. I know. She might, she was innocent. She might go free. Oh, no. Well, because here, and so, so to me. She got the death penalty on the Virginia slams. That, that tied, so, and I, and I, and I brought it up and I said, and, and I said, uh, for, you know, the, the connection of, okay, first of all, guys don't smoke Virginia slams, right, and, and I said, the one thing I know about, about, and this is kind of an assumption to make, but I said, the one thing I know about this type of people is that if, and their cigarettes are, is that if they're smoking a lot, they've got to, they've got to have a place. If there's one thing they're going to clean in this house, it's going to be, they're going to dump a place for them to, the ashtray, for the ashtray, right? So, so I said, I think these are fresh, freshly smoked cigarettes. Colombo in the courtroom. Yeah, yeah. It was, it was really great. And it was actually enough. I can see the lipstick around the Virginia slams. Now what, what proves that those, maybe that was his girlfriend, his new girlfriend, or his mom. There weren't.

And, and, and, and what's, what's interesting is now that I'm, I'm removed from it, I, it seems like one of those situations where we should have called back the, like, back to courtroom to specifically ask these questions of, like, maybe it was the Mormon missionary coming over to, you've convicted an innocent woman based on Colombo type evidence that I do or with some fantastic stuff. Yeah, the iron is still hot, so she must have been here recently. Look at those cigarettes, you're guilty! Yeah, it was solid. There's a copy of Roadhouse there. Only a woman would keep a copy of Roadhouse around. Yes! Therefore, I tell you, it was Sherlock Holmes. Perry Mason. Yeah, yeah. Sherlock Holmes. That is awesome. Yeah, so nonetheless, it was pretty fun. Remind me never to get caught for doing anything, ever, and have to go to court. And Dacey's accent, Dad, I go, oh yeah, I can help here. Yeah, yeah, I told you I can rile everybody in one direction. I'll tell you, you're going to be 40 years old, and you're going to be walking down the street, and you're going to get hit flat in the face with a pack of camel no-filters. And there's going to be some crotchety old jail woman staring at you. It is smoked! I'm no Virginia Slim woman! And it's funny, because it never occurred to us, or since more recently to me, that, yeah, maybe we should have researched into that more. Asked her what kind of smokes she smoked.

Maybe that wasn't tobacco in those thin little cigarettes. She said, Virginia Slims are for midgets. If the glove don't fit, you must have quit. If I ain't smoking Slims, I don't know what the other part of that is. In their gym. What if it didn't arrive? Yeah, that wouldn't work as well. Got to work on that a little better. Do those Virginia Slims smoke longer than other ones? Mike, have you ever smoked a Virginia Slim? Those are for women. Yeah, see? I can't comment on that. I don't know. I wouldn't even bum one off a lady in an airport. They just don't look that good. No. No, I think they do. Because my mom has them, and she'll go and, like, she'll go do something for 20 minutes, come back and still get some out of it. You know what I noticed about those things is they hang on. Like, you know, people, you don't ever see that guy that somehow buys his most with glue in it, where the ash seems to just come and seem to hang on, you know? I was like, yeah. And those do that. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. And they're shaking their heads around, you know, like they're doing something.

Yeah. Hammering something, working on a car, and there's three inches of smoke just kind of dangling like it's his best friend, doesn't want to leave, you know? I don't know how those people do that. I try to do that. It falls on me, and then I smell, and it's bad. Oh, yeah. Hmm. I tried to take up a pipe. How'd I go? I don't know. You would. I would. I did. I tried. I don't smoke. And, like, a lot of people in my family smoke or have smoked, and I thought, well, I better join. I kind of like secondhand smoke. And I thought, well, I don't want to smoke directly, but the pipe would create some secondhand smoke for me to enjoy. And plus, people kind of like pipes. Yeah. And there would be a good conversation starter. You know, you'd kind of look cool. Well, let me get my bathrobe and my pipe, and we can have a conversation. You know, it's the thing. We should team up and be like Sherlock Holmes.

I won't be locked into that stereotype, though. I want to roll my pipe everywhere. Like, you know, I'm not going to sit in my house and pipe. I'm going to pipe at the ball game or something, you know, where people. Yeah. I love the smell of pipe. The pipe should go mainstream. So anyway, so I bought this. I bought this pipe in Wales. I happened to be in England, and we went to Wales, and I bought a pipe. Even better. That seemed like a legitimate thing to say, I got this pipe in Wales. So I couldn't light the stupid thing. Like, I don't know how to do it. And, you know, I had the thing upside down, cocaine style, and I couldn't get it. Cocaine is done from underneath of the spoon. I don't know how to do drugs. No one does it directly on it. You've got to heat that thing up under the spoon or the tinfoil. Oh, you know all about that, huh? Maybe you're on trial. I'm on the drugs. I know a lot about drugs. I make friends. You know, did you take that online quiz to see what you know about illicit drugs? No. Is there one? Yeah, we've had this conversation.

I know nothing. I'm ignorant. I am. I'm a social user, according to this website. And what about Virginia Slim? They said those are for women. Stay away. Anyway, I had to give it up. I bought a cap to… But it sounds like you never started. No, I did. Mike, do you remember? Yeah, there's video of Ben sitting in front of a fireplace in Wales where he's put on some kind of… A robe? A Scottish wig where it's like the plaid hat and the red hair. Is this a video we can access? Oh, sure. Yeah, yeah. Ben's got it at home. Anyway, he's doing this number. It's entertaining for about 20 seconds. Then you go… And then you're like, could you quit? Do they have like special pipe tobacco? Lighters? Oh, I don't know tobacco, but I mean… Yeah, I don't know.

I just assume you use one of those things you use to light the grill. Yeah, I believe that's the thing to do. Maybe we can stay away from you. I don't think those English guys… Maybe they use matches. But they got the… You don't use matches. You have to use good tobacco. No, I thought you'd use matches. You have to use good… You burn yourself with them matches. Does anybody on the chat smoke a pipe? You need a longer one. Popeye did. I'm pretty sure Popeye's not on the chat. I said, does anybody on the chat smoke a pipe? I wasn't listening. I'm not listening to you tonight, Ben. Sorry. Google it. I don't know. Fair enough. You know, Bluto didn't smoke. Yeah. Popeye the hero. He lived a terrible lifestyle. Yeah, you're right. And he had funky forearms.

Yeah, he did. And a tattoo. What's wrong with people with tattoos? It puts him over the top. He was a sailor. Yeah, he was a sailor too. Bruno was like a rival sailor. Is it Bluto? Yeah, that's what I said. You said Bruno. Bruno? It should be Bruno. Is it Bluto? I think it is. You don't know. You don't know what I don't know. I never knew what either of them saw in olive oil. I'm like… Yeah, I know. Seriously? I mean… She did a lot of whining. That's for certain. She was a whiner and… She's a bit promiscuous for a cartoon character. She was a… I mean… She was a stick.

Yeah, any half a man walking by… Yeah, I mean… There were nothing that you would look at and go, that's what I'm talking about. Oh, you have her. Yeah, it's like… Well, no, I got two… She was a walking Virginia Slim is what she was. Yeah. But I tell you… But if you notice, I didn't see other ladies in any of these places. So they just not had any options. What was the setting for this cartoon? What was Popeye supposed to have been set in? Like… Yeah, yeah, no. Like, yeah, you're right. Bluto. That's him. Yeah, Bluto. Eastern States? What would you think? That's what I assume, but I don't know. Hold on a minute. Bluto, also known as Brutus from 1960 to 1962. So… Is that double…

No, no, no. I looked it up. Yeah, yeah. There we go. Wait a minute. They changed his name after 62? Named Bluto the Terrible. No one called him the Terrible, did they? They gave it up. Yeah, wait. Bluto… Here we go. Bluto or Brutus is Popeye's nemesis. You said Bruno. Ah, crap. Yeah. Wasn't that a movie? Yeah, you're wrong on Twitter, Bruno. Crap. I didn't see that one. Yeah. All right. Well, never mind. That's terrible. It's a good idea. Hey. Hey. What?

What other cartoons were there? That's pretty broad. That was a… You remember that vulture that used to fly around going… Oh, yeah. He was classic. I loved him. He'd go… Okay, I really did. Oh, and then… See, I led you right into that one. His name was Keeler. Remember his mom used to go… My little Keeler. I don't remember that. I love the old… You didn't use this pipe back in the day. I did not. These were the best. I'm not using mine, Dan. You can borrow it. Can I? Can I? I use Captain Black. You know, I have never even had a puff on a cigarette in my life. Really? No. I grew up with it.

You can do it live on the air. That'd be kind of fun. I used to steal my dad's and I'd burn them because it was kind of fun. I love to play with fire. It's like… I don't know why. I just… That's secondhand smoke. Yeah. Yeah, I enjoyed it. Yeah, see? Nice. I really didn't. Have you ever tried to light oil on fire? You ever seen those oil fires in the… Like on the ocean? No. You ever tried to light oil on fire? It can't be done. I've tried it before. It's impossible. I just can be done. I try harder. Explosion and push it past its… Make it happen. …its point. Do that live on the air, too. Okay, so far we're smoking in the light of fire.

Exploding. Live from the past. On your way to Jesus. And we're dumping chemical grass in some sewer. Oh, man. I'm bad. Yeah. Good show so far. Convicting innocent women. It's grass. Now, wait a minute. So let me ask you. Mike, have you ever tried those American Indian smokes? Yeah. They're just… It's supposed to be tobacco only. No additives. Yeah. How are they? Nope. They're no good? No, they're not. What about this electric cigarette stuff? I've tried that. What's the deal with that? That sounds weird. It's the bee's knees. It really is pretty cool.

It's way… It's as close as you're going to get. Basically what it is, it's a water vapor with a nicotine inhaler. And so you still get the nicotine, but it gets rid of all the formaldehyde and all the other jazz. Is that the stuff that kills you? Well, yeah. I mean, nicotine is just a depressant. You know, so it's a drug like anything else. You know, but it's all the other additives and stuff that allow it to burn longer, allow it to, you know, not catch fire on something, whatever the formaldehyde. But which are bad for you, though. Yeah. Yeah. So you can smoke safely. Safer. Safer. Safer. I mean, nicotine's still not the greatest, but it's just like taking… I mean, you're boozing it up, either. It's just like taking any other depressant. It's like drinking vanilla. Yeah. It's like… Yeah, there's alcohol in it. Caffeine. That's a different… Yeah, so caffeine…

I mean, you're taking it in a stimulant or a depressant, whatever. Yeah. So, yeah. The only thing that they don't like about it is the Attorney General in Iowa won't allow it. Like, he won't… They won't endorse it because they don't know what the effect is of vaporizing nicotine and taking it directly into your lungs. But it still seems way safer on the whole. Plus, you can smoke it anywhere. It's water vapor. So, you can smoke in a building because you're just exhaling, basically. I had it. The only… You see them at the mall? Like, they're at the Jordan Creek Mall. Yeah, the only… And that stuff smells weird, though. Like, I mean, it's probably better than just cigarette smoke, but like, you know, they're demonstrating it and stuff, and it smells weird. You have to buy the good one. Like, if you're going to buy one, like, I think it's 80 bucks for, like, two of these little battery things because the light lights up when you inhale. Like, there's a little red LED and it's so… Just make it look real? Right. It just sounds… And then you…

The problem is you have to charge the batteries and you have to buy replacement packs for them. And you can only buy them in one place in town. And so, if you forget to charge a battery and you're still addicted to the need, you're going to buy a pack of smokes that day. You didn't get it. You know, and so you have to honestly… Well, but it's better than buying a pack of smokes every day. Well, you think so. Are they supposed to help you wean off of them? Well, you could do… It's less of the bad stuff. They do it in milligrams, in milligram dosage, you know? So, you could start on, like, a non-filtered dosage and then a light dosage. I don't think that's really the point of it because then they'd lose sales. You already bought the cigarette. No, but you're supposed to continue to buy… You've got to buy more of something, right? Yeah, but the habit's 50-50. Some of it's, you know, just a habit. And some are actual drugs, right? Right. Some people just like to smoke. Yeah. You know, and so a lot of it is… Like the action habit, not the… Yeah, exactly. That's, yeah. I mean, that's why I smoke.

I like the action habit. That's why so many people gain weight when they quit smoking because they've got to keep putting something in their mouth or something. Right. They're either eating or chewing. That's why chewing gum is a huge alternative because people like the busyness of it. And so you can get the nicotine cartridges that have no nicotine in them. It's just the water vapor, you know? So you get the same… So you're having a candy cigarette then? You're just having a fake cigarette? Yeah. So can you be convicted, you think, of drug crime by a jury? If they see in an actuary in your house in the photos… Yeah, it might be. Only men smoke those. I don't know. No real men, but smoke a battery-operated cigarette. He's guilty. He's like a fancy. He's an imposter. He's a fraud. Bruto would never… They don't smoke that? They don't sell a Virginia Slims. Yeah. Do they have extra long ones that are… Yeah.

Yeah. I would actually like to see that thing pump back up. Do they make electric joints? Pump back up. Electric joints. What's the game for you? Yeah. It's just a little… It's a little shadier put together. That's just for the kids. I don't know. I used to get the candy cigarettes by the time when I was a kid. I thought I was so cool. I'd walk down the street. Especially if it's cold outside. Oh, yeah. You're rocking the whole package. I'm uptown. I felt bad, actually. I wasn't so sure about this. I was at the in-laws' house a few, I don't know, a month or two ago, and I told Anna's little brother, he's like seven, that I'd go buy him some candy. And so we went to the store and we bought some candy, and he picked out the candy cigarettes of all things. I thought they quit making those. Will, Will, they're not… They're like candy sticks. They're not…

They don't even say candy cigarettes anymore. If you can't sell candy cigarettes… But it's a candy cigarette. I mean, that's what it looks like. Yeah. And so… And then later, I was like, man, maybe I shouldn't have gotten that for him. You know, like… You know, if he goes around doing it… It's better than a candy crack pipe. That's true. Those are good, though. I did them all the time, and I still never smoked. They were out of candy joints. So their whole argument is a bunch of, you know, yeah, whatever. You smoke if you want to. I mean, it's not like, oh, I had that candy cigarette. I'm going to start smoking now. I mean, you know… It's not like you look at the cool, rugged man on the horse and go, I'm going to be that guy. That's it. And the first step is to be taken of smoking. Exactly. But that was Joe Cool, though. That's weird, though, that the argument is over one attribute, right? It's like saying, you see the guy on the horse, and you say… The insinuation is that the kid says, yeah, I've got to smoke to be like that guy, instead

of, I need to learn to ride a horse, buy a cowboy hat, and live in the West. And look stronger. Yeah. And grow a beer. But the only thing they could take away from that was, I want to buy cigarettes. They have access to a hat. I always thought the hat was cool. Yeah. I didn't care about the cigarette. I'm like, I want to get me one of them hats. I don't understand why Joe Cool was so effective. Yeah. I don't know that he is. No, it was. And then when they changed the laws about advertising… How did they decide it was effective? I agree. I mean, they took a survey, and they trust what people said? Well, I think you can tell just by sales. By sales, over that period of time, it skyrocketed when they brought Joe Cool on. And then they changed the laws about advertising, like you can't, I don't know, something to the effect of you can't advertise and make it look cool or something, because you're trying to get… Marketing to kids. Oh, yeah, because of the kids factor, and so they had to take it away. But Miley Cyrus can do a new video where she's a naked bird, and that's okay. A naked bird? I don't know where you came up with that, but…

You know what I mean? I haven't seen the new Miley Cyrus Cyrus video? No. Oh, she's gone over the top. Sorry. Well… I just changed. I just… Obviously, I can't go look at it. Google it. It's on YouTube. Like, if I had come across it by accident, then I could say, oh, man. No, it's bad. I'm not going to go out searching for it. Now you told me it's bad, and I can't be like… It is pornography, and she's not even 18. Someone should go to jail. Really? Look at it. No, wait, that's bad. I'm not even encouraging people to look at pornography. This is porn. Look at this. Look at it now. So, yeah, recap what we've talked about again on this show. It's been quite a show so far. Owls? No.

That was last week. Yeah. I forgot. I tell you what, that owl conversation went over very well. Really? Yeah. I was immediately told by my daughter, you don't look at owl poop. You look at their pellet. They vomit out. Oh, yeah. Why? Why do you look at it? That's what they dissect in school. What do you mean? They don't poo? Well, that's not what you look at to get all the goodies. You look at the… Yeah. Okay, yeah, no, that's true. What do you know about it? Because I was the one that said it. I was talking about the poo, because I thought it was the owl. I thought it was the owl poop, but she's right. It's the pellets, the stuff they hack back up. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know why owls don't digest stuff correctly. Apparently not.

They're having times, you know? Yeah. I only throw up once every 10 years or so. That's me, too. That's not fun. That owl's doing it every day. Well, I got this cat skeleton to me. I'm full. I'm hungry. I think I'll have that again. What a battle. See, I'll have some meat on the bone. Yeah, that's just not nice. Yeah. Yeah. I was trying to see if I could find information on that. The effect joke. I want to see this Facebook stuff. I can't see it, but I'm going to have to come over here. You won't be able to see it. We've got to get our monitor. Yeah, I'm not sure that's going to happen. Really? Yeah. I don't know. I got 20 bucks. It's a temporary studio, Daniel. I know.

Yeah. I saw this. I was driving on the south side earlier this week, and I drove by a billboard, and the billboard has this picture of a very somber-looking teenage kid, and then the tagline, it was for some sort of youth services thing, and the tagline says, 81% of the youth in this city have something better to do than drink. Doesn't that mean 19% of the youth in this city have nothing better to do than drink? Is it? And the ones who want to drink are like, well, it looks like I'm part of the 19. Yeah. Let's do this. I mean, couldn't you, isn't it fair to say everyone has something better to do than drink? I mean, they're saying one out of five kids. Yeah, it's probably the best thing they've got going on. Yeah, right. They've given in to that. Yeah, like, well, you've got nothing better to do. I mean, maybe it's, I don't even know how you would judge whether that's true or not, but it certainly wouldn't have made it past the filter of, let's put this up to try to raise money for our youth services campaign. 20% of the kids, eh, they've got nothing better going on. They can drink. But you, you can be part of the 80%. Yeah, what were they getting at with that? Like, are they trying to focus on the 80% or the 19%? You know what I mean? It's got to be the 80%. Yeah, because they listed the 80%.

They didn't list the nine. People think that I'm not one of the five, you know, so they think, maybe I do have better things do. Right, that's the whole point, is to try to get kids to look at it and to say, hey, the majority of people don't have better. I'm part of the majority. But that's a large number that don't. Yeah, I mean. Like, I could go outside. It's not saying, hey, 98%. I could pick up garbage, I could visit my grandmother, I could watch TV. No, drinking's my best option. That's pretty much all I've got. And how do you rank your options anyways? You know, like you said, I mean, you could easily come up with something that could be considered a better option. I would think so. Or you should. Or, you know, your parents should be saying, hey, any of those things are better options. But yeah, 20. What if you're having a first one to a new liver contest? With your buddy. Yeah. Then you probably better get to drinking. Otherwise, you're going to go back. In a pack of Virginia. Because it is. Yeah.

That's why they're at the party. That's right. Not to the Virginians. I think you've lost Mike and Ben. They're just. No, no. I caught it. Yeah. I caught it. Dan, did you drive to Kentucky this week? I did. I get that the 19% have their priorities messed up. But like, I'm not sure I would have used that survey. Right. I'm not sure how strong it is. It's kind of flattering. 100% because it's not portraying it appropriately to say that the kids. They should have known better. Like, they obviously used the 81% figure because they were trying to point out that most people. Large majority. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, they didn't. I saw. I looked at, say, what's the other 19% then, right? But that's not what the thing said. If you're pessimistic by nature, you assume you've got nothing to do. But maybe. Where was it at?

Like, just you're driving. You see it. Yeah, I don't know. It's probably like a Best Buy or something. But the thing is, I agree with that you can always make any point with statistics. But this is terrible pulling. Yeah, but I mean, maybe they figure people aren't going to think about it long enough or, you know, look into it that far and talk about it on a radio show that they're just going to like, they're going to see the overall point and then they'll make the assumption. But if they're part of the 20%, they're too drunk. They didn't pay attention to it. But I don't think they're trying to get the kids to see it. Maybe that's the question, is who took the survey and how did they get the statistics? Like, did they ask people? You got anything better to do than drink? No. Here's your options. Drinking, not drinking. What's better? You know? You can play chess or you can drink. Well. Drinking sex. I would like to know that survey. Or you have a Virginia Slim. Yeah. Why is that an option? Well, because all the guys are like, I'm not going to have a Virginia Slim. Yeah. I'm going to have a whiskey.

I've got no other option. I'm going to drink. I'm going to put on my cowboy hat, sit on my cow, and drink a shot of whiskey. I'm moving to Wyoming. I'm halfway there. Going to Montana. Montana. Anyway, so we're speaking out and about. Dan, you drove to Kentucky this week? Yes, sir. Is that right? Yes, sir. If I was a little bit loopy Sunday, I got home in the wee hours of the morning after driving 12 hours straight, and I wasn't all there. You know, Ben and I were wondering if, since you'd like to facilitate at your own house, where exactly do you facilitate when you're driving on the road? Facilitate. What are you talking about? Do your business. You were talking about you only use home field, so the question is. I like home field a lot better. Or a motel. When I know there's not been someone in there within 10 minutes, and I'm just there by myself. So you welcome the cold seat? I don't care about the seat. Well, that's how you would know if someone's in there in the last 10 minutes. I don't care about the temperature of the seat. That's what I'm saying. Oh, excuse me.

That's how you tell. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if you stock it to see there. It's the stuff people leave behind on the seat I don't like. But in a motel, hopefully they've cleaned it. Hopefully. You've got a better odds that it's not cleaned. I'm going to tell you a story. I can't remember why I was there. Someone was in an emergency room. And I was a little kid. I was probably, well, not a little kid. I was 10, 11 years old. So anyway, I'm sitting in a waiting room, and there's a Band-Aid on a chair, upside down, with fluids in a Band-Aid. I see this thing, and I'm looking at it for about three minutes, and then I… I've got to have a piece of that. I touch it. You're the wet paint guy, aren't you? I touch it. And my mom says, I touch a Band-Aid! And that's all the more she put into it. That is something better to do than drink. I mean, that's on the list. I'm going to tell you. That's a dirty Band-Aid. Basically, the end of the story is, I took the Band-Aid home with me. She wasn't paying attention, I folded it up, put it in my pocket.

About that same time… I shouldn't even say this. About the same age, and we're at a public swimming pool, and my brother finds a prophylactic. I'm with you. I have no idea what it is. And I'm like, hey, mom, what's he got over there? He's like, don't touch it. And he's blowing it up. I mean, he found it floating in the pool. I don't know. And I have clueless. I'm like, who's got a really cool balloon? Why can't I play with it? And she's like, don't you touch it. You know, like… It was like a few years later, I'm like, ooh. That was way worse than I thought. It just clicked one day. I thought I was just being punished for not getting to play with the cool balloon. I remember… I hate you, mom. Exactly. I want it! I think we were at the pool when we were like eight or nine years old. And you know how you always got that friend of a friend, you know? And you do some shady stuff, you know? Like, you're good friends with this guy. And then his friend, he's always just some kind of shady character, you know?

So anyway, the friend of a friend, we're playing around in a park or something. One day, like a month prior, and we run across this dirty magazine. Oh, yeah. And he's all geeked up about it. You know, dirty magazine. I'm like, ah, you know, I better not. You know, whatever. We stay away from it, you know? It turned my eyes out. And so, anyway, we're at the pool. A month later, my mom takes us to the pool. And here comes friend of the friend. Rock it up. And he goes, hey, man. Remember that dirty magazine we found? I'm like, oh, no. Mom says, get out of the pool. I don't have it with me. He's like, stupid friend of a friend. Who is this guy? I don't even know him, I swear. That's terrible. See you, Bailey. I couldn't associate with that guy very much anymore. Yeah, yeah. You guys ever found anything in public and take it with you? Like something that you, like, just kind of lying around, and you picked it up and like, yep, I'm taking that home.

You mean like a? Yeah, I do that all the time. Like a magazine? Or you mean like a? Like anything. Like you've just been out in public and you found something, and you're like, hmm, yep, I'm taking that with you. I haven't. I'm just wondering if you guys are finding stuff out in the middle everywhere. It's Johnston Junk Week. There's a lot of people. Does that go on all week? I don't know. Well, I've only got one neighbor with stuff out, but it's pretty much, that's been cleared out already. Seriously? Except for a few things. Probably quality stuff. Yeah, I guess. I know I had a couple neighbor. I had some couches and stuff down the street, but they're all getting rained on now. I find everything at Trash Days. Yeah. Everything. Like almost every cool. I still have a TV. In fact, it's a TV that we watch.

It's a 27-inch TV. Found it at Trash Day eight years ago. Someone threw it out because the push power button doesn't work. But they threw it out with the remote. So the remote works. The remote's like taped to it. Yeah, yeah. And they're throwing it away. That's awesome. And who wants to walk up and push the power anyways? You sit there and you push power. I didn't know you could do that. Yeah, no one does that. There's buttons on the TV? I'm lazy. That button's almost an insult. Yeah, I know. Who's that for? What's that thing sticking out? So, yeah, I mean, I swear I've gotten just about everything cool I ever owned off of Trash Day. Yeah. I mean, I love it. We take the trailer out. We always get pulled over. We get pulled over every year because we're always out and about with the trailer and stuff. There's all kinds of trailers going by our house. Oh, yeah. That's awesome.

Trash Day is the best. I got a back door for my garage last year. The thing is that some people like leave, they look for high quality items. Like we did find a computer. It was good. And we found an old Coke freezer. Yep. Like, you know, one of those huge stand-up ones you find in the gas station. Most likely the gas station is about 30 years old, but still, you know, they look pretty good. Anyway, but you pass up stuff that is more practical than, like, awesome. But I needed a new back door to my garage, and I found one. So, I got a six-lattice windows. It was the exact size of the back door to my garage. I got it installed and ready to rumble. Nice. My garage looks nice. Yeah. I have put things out before hoping someone would take it, and I wouldn't have to throw it away. Just because I'm like, I hate to throw those away, but yet, I don't want it. Yeah. And I'm not going to sell it, because I'm too lazy to have a garage sale. Yeah. When we were moving out of our apartment, we had a real nice wooden dresser, and it was heavy as crap. And we didn't want it, and so we put it out by the dumpster area, and within, like, five minutes, somebody already had that. Yeah. Did we get that Captain Morgan stand-up from the Tri-State?

Yeah. Yeah. There was, like, a six-foot-tall Captain Morgan stand-up guy. Oh, like real size. And we picked him up, and we used to take him to all our shows when we played in a band. We'd just put him on stage with us, you know, and just to have him up there. Just to tape a Virginia Slim to him. And it was Pants' job to make sure this thing got back in the trailer and secured correctly, and he didn't do it, and it flew away. Oh, come on. And we lost him. Pants. Yeah, I know. Come on. Come on, Pants. Pants. Honestly, it was terrible. In fact, I called Pants earlier today, and I said, who's this? I called him, you know. I said, who's this? And there was, like, a 30-second pause, and he goes, what are you saying? I said, what do you mean, what am I saying? I said, your brother called me. He goes, so? And I said, well. And then he hung up the phone. That's it. Weirdest conversation I've ever had in my life.

Very odd. Yeah, that's good. I'll tell you one thing. Don't call Pants at 8.30 at night on a Monday, because he's feisty. He does get feisty. Oh, he does get feisty. I found something else in the garbage. I forgot what it was. Oh, no, you know, it's about the stuff you're giving away. So, the best, we lived on the south side for a while, and there was probably five or six things that I just wanted rid of, and we just kept setting them out. It was like the magic curb, right? You put it out of the curb. It just disappeared? Yeah. So, I put out, I put out a, you know, one of those futon couches. Oh, yeah. Because we got a new couch. I put it out, and I said, no one's going to want that futon couch. You don't know what people are up to on couches. It's terrible. Yeah, I'd have trouble getting that. I put, I write, free on a cardboard, I set it out there, I mean, 45 minutes, it's gone. It's gone. And I said, awesome. So, I take this lawnmower, and I set it out, and I say, free, 30 minutes, someone is there picking up this riding lawnmower, like, strapping it down. They've been looking for one forever.

It's amazing. They pull up, and they take it, and I think, this is awesome. So, I just keep doing it. They were just cruising around, like, I hope someone's got a lawnmower for free. One of these days, we'll get the big one. I couldn't figure it out. Like, I mean, seriously, it was the magic curtain. $300 of gas. Anytime I wanted something out, I just would go take it out to the front yard, write free on it. You know, like, you know, one of those things you hang curtains on that goes above your window, that cheap, white, plastic thing. Yeah. I set it out there. You know, it took a little longer. It was three hours, but it was gone. You know, it's kind of funny. I had the exact same experience on the east side, except for a couple differences, is I moved into my house, and I was push mowing it, because I didn't have a riding lawnmower yet. And I was push mowing it, and it starts to rain. I've been in my house three days. It starts to rain. He stole your… I leave. I come back five minutes later, my lawnmower's gone. There was… Yeah. No sign.

No sign. No sign available. So I start going around to garage sales thinking I'm going to find this thing, you know? I don't find it. Would you carve your name into it? Like, how would you know? Well, I know what it looks like. Don't they all look like that, though? Well, but the accusatory, you know, they'll fold. Everyone folds. If they've stolen something, and they try to resell it, and you say, well, it looks awfully familiar, like it came out of my yard. Yeah. You know, you could tell almost right away, because if they were a career criminal, they wouldn't get caught selling it right by your house. They're not that stupid, you know? And so if they're selling within a block of you, then obviously they're not a genius. So as soon as you pursue it, they're going to hand it over. So yeah, so I got my lawnmower stolen, and then we got our trailer broken into with all our band stuff. And we called the police guy, and he come out, and he's like, hey, so someone broke into your band trailer. I was like, yeah, yeah. And he goes, what's band? You know, we talked for a while, half hour, whatever. And he goes, yeah, I'll come out to the next show. You know, we ended up making real good friends with a police officer, and then they never found our stuff.

So that was really nice. Yeah. But I mean, I don't know. On one of those free days, I did find a push lawnmower. Yeah? It was pretty good. I've gotten rid of one before. No one else had anything out, but I found one in a yard. Wow. It's mine. I was insinuating. It was mine. Oh, sorry. That was a joke. You didn't catch the joke coming, Daniel? Yeah, it was already there. Yeah. Not only did you not see the joke, but you walked all over it. Yeah. And ruined it. Sorry about that. Wow. We're firing on all cylinders. What else did I find? I found something else on the trash day. Oh, you remember that time, Mike, we went out to the trash day, and we had bought a two-wheel cart to haul our band equipment around, right? And so we get this, you know, like a dolly.

Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. A hand truck. So anyway, we do this, and then somebody thinks that we're throwing it away, and they picked it off, just like they did with his mower. We lost like an $80 hand truck. Yeah. All right. So hold on. Pants is saying that it didn't go down like we're saying on that Captain Morgan. So, Pants, are you there? Yeah. Okay. All right. So, Pants, let's hear it. Mike, you go ahead, and you tell the Captain Morgan, and then we can have Pants go ahead and give his version of it. Are we like the jury? Yeah. Can we see other pictures? Okay. So, Pants was supposed to put the Captain Morgan in the trailer. He didn't strap it down correctly. It flew out of the trailer. End of story. All right, Pants, what really happened? All right. That is not what happened.

Okay. The Captain was taking a break for a while with his Virginia Slim, and I didn't know I didn't pick him back up. So, what are you saying? He just admitted he revolted against you. You were in his ward, or he was in your ward. He went out for a smoke break. The cardboard stand-up, and you neglected to pick him back up. He was out with a lady smoking Virginia Slims. Yes. Hey, Pants, will you do me a favor and say, and thank you. Now, for our next call, please, welcome to Open Forum. Pants, do you do a reverend camping in person? I'm not sure, but thank you. For your call, next caller, please. He's got a cool voice. Now, say, welcome to Open Forum. Welcome to Open Forum. He's dead on. Yeah. Pants, that's pretty good. Hey, Pants, will you do a quick radio spot for us? Say something like, you're listening to Live From The Path. You're listening to Live From The Path. Dude, Pants, it's cool. Yeah. Pants, do it just a little bit lower. Like, you're listening to Live From The Path.

Try that. You're listening to Live From The Path. Nice. That's it. Hey, can you say Dan is my favorite? You're listening to. Guilty. Thanks, Pants. All right, Pants, we'll let you go. Thanks for answering the phone. Yep. All right. See you. Bye. All right. Hey, that was a smooth transition there. Yeah. Right to the phone call or whatever. Was he on picture, too? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you could see him. That was cool. You could see him. Was he wearing a shirt? We've come a long way. Yeah, he's wearing the pants. He's wearing the T-shirt. The T-shirt says it's a-

Welcome to the Pants Party. No, he's wearing the Pirate Eye Exam. You shouldn't have that. Oh. The Pirate Eye Exam shirt. That was my idea, by the way. No, it was not your idea. So I invented this shirt. It's called the Pirate Eye Exam. Ben and a buddy of ours started a T-shirt business where you make random T-shirts, you know? And I submitted a shirt for the Pirate Eye Exam where it's a pirate looking at an eye chart and it's all ours. Nice. Get it? Arr. That's good. He can't get it wrong. It's classic. Nothing. That's great. I like it. No, I like it. Was the business profitable? Okay, first of all, you're not funny. So don't even worry about it. No, I thought it was great. I don't need your approval, Daniel.

You know, the five people that bought it is enough for me. Yes. You notice Mike looked at me the whole time he was telling those venomous lies. You don't even know how to work the computer. Oh, he's saying it was his idea. No, it was not his idea. Yeah, it was. It certainly was not. No, it wasn't. What other shirt did you put up there? I Kissed Philippe. Yeah, he did. It's a picture of a donkey with the words, I kissed Philippe. He thought some kind of weird faction of society would think this is an instant classic. It didn't sell. I bought one for the baby. It didn't sell. I think it's the marketing. You need a lot of land in the background. I didn't market the pirate eye exam and that one sold. Sounds like hotcakes. It's because, yeah, you don't have to market it. What's the best-selling shirt? Take a joke. The best-selling shirt was a picture of a bear with deer antlers on and it said beer question mark underneath it because of the bear-deer combo. That's great. I'm telling you, that's a solid shirt.

That's a great shirt. You know what didn't sell? The fish in the duck. Did you do the so dusty one? No. It's out there. I would buy it. It's out there, Dan. Well, how do I know it? Which one? Nobody knows. People are dying to know about these shirts. Yeah. It's out there. Is that website still available? I don't know. I don't know. I'll have to check it. I'll check it over the book. Hey, there's a Barry Goldwater shirt on there, right? Yeah, there's a picture. There's an outline of Barry Goldwater with the words, I am the business. I'm the business Barry Goldwater shirt. I own that one. That's great. That's a good response. That's great. Did you campaign for Goldwater?

I did not. Were you a Goldwater gal? I refuse to comment. I'm trying to think of some other. Shoot. I was trying to think of another book. I'm an Agnew something. There's not one for dudes. A Derringer dude? That's a gun. That's not a guy. What? I was trying to think of a… Have you ever carved out a book and put something in it? You ever taken an outline of something, carved a book out, and used it to hide stuff? I purchased a book that's, I mean… Hollowed out? An item, yeah, a hollowed out book before. But you've never homemade done it? No. That's an experience. But it's always like, aren't those things always like the most obvious? It's that… You know, like, it's not a… Yeah, like, look, there's no pages. The book's called A Place to Hide Stuff. My valuables. I am not sure.

If you put that on your bookshelf, no one has, like, an old-fashioned classic set of books. I mean, you just have, like… Next to the Morris, the Moose goes to school. It just doesn't work with my collection. And it's like some classic 1933 novel, and you're, you know, you got a bunch of new Christian books. Yes, I always flip through Tess of the Dubervilles. Second edition. I got The Runaway Mouse and The Runaway Mouse 2. Yeah, you should definitely hollow out your own book. Yeah. It's a good time. My books aren't very thick. I thought I was going to take up, because I was trying to quit smoking. Book hollowing? And I thought I was going to secret smoke. You know, I thought I could pull this off, you know. And so I come up with, like, three places to hide it. You know, I was going to put it in a Ziploc bag and store it in the back of the toilet tank. I was going to cut out a book and hide it there. And then I was going to put it underneath an engine cover wrapped in some kind of plastic. You know, whatever. I was going to put a lot of effort into this. No one was going to know I was a smoker, you know. And, of course, that failed directly. It didn't work out at all. Did they instantly find it or what? Yeah. Well, I thought I was going to be way better at it.

But it turns out, yeah, I just get lazy about it. That's an awful lot of work. I'm going to say, if you're ready to have one, you're not going to be like, well. But it seems like that would be the fun part, you know. The adventurous? It seems like it would be cool. It's like, your old man smoked for 30 years and you never knew it. You know, only, like, your mom might have known it. She never told anybody. But after he passed away, she's like, oh, yeah, he smoked for years. You're like, you know. Really? Yeah. That's what you aspire to be in life? The secret smoker whose kids find out about it after they've died? Probably from lung cancer? No. Why is daddy on a ventilator? Here's the thing. If you're going to be a secret smoker, it means you can't smoke that much. Because you can smell it. I can smell it. People try to tell me, oh, no, the smoker is like, dude. Yeah. I smelled the other one when I walked in the door. The smoker can't smell it. And then they put all this cheap cologne and they're going to hide it. No one just smells like that much cologne all the time.

Even if it does hide the smoke, it's like, look, I can tell now by the overdose of cologne. Exactly. It just deadens your nose after a while and you don't ever smell it. You think you've got everybody fooled. You think that everything's pretty solid. You know, go roasted places. You sting. Yeah. I know that. You sting. Do you walk in like that too? Sometimes I do. Sometimes I do. Sometimes I like to smoke right in front of somebody so they don't think that I'm trying to get away with it. Because I don't want people to think that I'm trying to pull something over. Because obviously I'd be lying. Well, I mean, I'm not a smoker, but so what? So what? So you're smoking. Why would you try to hide it? People frown on smokers. If you haven't noticed, Daniel, it's demonized. Well, I mean, yeah, I don't know. It's harmful to your body. That's what you're harmful to your body, right? Sure, but so is this Diet Coke. Yeah, so are Twinkies.

Yeah, yeah. I mean. But that's a stretch. This stuff's going to kill me. I like bacon. What do you mean that's a stretch? Twinkies are bad for your body. There's no part of a Twinkie that's good for you. People aren't going to just die from Twinkies. Well, now that's not true. Yeah, maybe if you have like 20 a day, like 20 cigarettes a day. You know what I mean? But you have all those chemicals. Where do you think all the cancers are coming from? I think half the stuff we're getting from all these chemicals. I'm pouring chemicals on my body tonight. I would agree. Even the basic stuff that you don't think is doing anything to you. But that doesn't mean you can legitimize smoking or drinking or something that is obviously to a much farther degree worse for you than something like caffeine. I think they've just been targeted, to be honest with you. I mean, they're just ones that people chose to target. Oh, yeah. For now, yeah. And they'll go on to something else. Yeah, but just like sugar, you know, in the 80s was a big target. Everybody changed over to equal jazz. Turned out that stuff's twice as bad for you.

And that killed everybody. It's a fad. It's a way to make some more extra tax money right now. That is kind of crap, actually. Yeah, it is. I feel like the smokers are… I mean, it's not fair because I'm a smoker, but it feels like the smokers are unfairly taxed. Oh, yeah. And the drinkers get away and do whatever they want, you know? Yeah, true. I never kill anybody because I had… And in fact, if you're a good customer, you probably get drinks on the house. Yeah. No one offers you free smokes. Like, oh, I'll give you… Yeah. That's for certain. I'll give you an extra one just so you're a good guy. We're going to start handing out cigarettes at church. I think, shoot. It's the Lord's work. That's a solid idea. That's definitely solid. Now, Twinkies I could go for. Really? Yeah. I had a zinger on the way.

I think it's funny how people decide, this is what's bad for you, and so then that's evil, and it's like, pretty much our whole society is bad for you. I mean… True. I mean, French fries, you die quicker of a heart attack rather than, you know, being on a ventilator for a few weeks and then slowly dying of lung cancer like my dad did. I mean, they're both going to kill you. Yeah, so why are we taxing cigarettes? Why do we tell… Now, I hate having a meal with someone sitting next to me, but so I choose to go somewhere where that doesn't happen. Right. That law drives me crazy. It's not the government's business to tell people you can't smoke in a public… Well, see, I agree with that. Do you think… I mean, obviously, like the money… Put your money where your mouth is, right? The money should facilitate what goes on here. Exactly. People don't want to eat there. People won't pay to eat there. There's restaurants I wouldn't go to because, man, there's full of smoke, so I just choose not to go there. Right. There's places that I won't go because the smoke's not there. Yeah. There's certain bars that it was part of the mystique.

Well, sure. You know? I mean, that was part of… It was seedy. You know? If it's not seedy more, then it's just a dirty bar. When all the smoke clears, the place is ugly. Yeah. You know? It's just a… I don't frequent bars. We played at bars. I'm not trying to say that I'm a bar hopper. Are you listening to me? What are you trying to say? So, I'm just saying. Like, there's certain places that it was just cooler because the neon lights would be on and there'd be a haze in there. It'd be cool looking, you know? And then all that's gone. It's like, this place is a dive. You know? It's just not cool. My eyes opened up. The smoke cleared. It's ugly. It's terrible. You don't realize you've been spending years with a bunch of skis, isn't it?

Yeah. There's a lady right next to you with a full beard and you just never saw her. Josephine is a Joseph. She's probably smoking a Virginia Sloan. Probably. Yeah. I don't know. I just. That's one of my little weird old things. I agree with that, though. I think that's fair. I don't know. I'd feel the same way if they started doing the same thing to sweet tarts. You know? I don't eat sweet tarts. I don't know. Like, it just seems like they just picked one and went way over the top of it. Yeah. Well, especially when they do their statistics and they're like, oh, well, this many people die from, you know, lung cancer. And you're like. Or they say, like, heart disease. But it's like. They've lumped so many things into. Okay, fine. And that, you know, that many people did die. But you can't just direct it to one specific thing. Like, there might have been a lot of different things that caused that.

But they lived for 70 years, you know? Yeah. They had 24 hours in a day. And if you total up the full time that they were, you know, eating ho-hos, it might have taken up 12 minutes. Yeah, yeah, right. But, I mean, there can be other reasons. And, yeah, they just, you know, lump it together and say, gee, I told you that was bad for you. And it's like, no, hold on. You know, break it down. Yeah. Because you can't just direct. Because that's what they say. Like, well, more people die from heart disease than any other possible death. You know, murder. When you're 107, the heart just kind of stops. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, like, there's a, there's, maybe it's because. That man had heart disease. Maybe because there's the most things that lead to heart disease. Yeah. That's why. Yeah, you can't just say everything's ever done. That guy died of apples, you know? Yeah. He had one apple his whole life and has taken him down. Yeah. I mean, it's all about money.

I mean, everybody's trying to raise money for their cause. And it's like, oh, we need heart disease. See, we need money for heart disease research. It's like. It's the biggest killer. Yeah. Yeah. Because the heart keeps you alive. Yeah. He died when his brain stopped. Well, that brain stopped. That'll do it. You know, it was weird. I was actually talking to somebody at work today, and I thought this was pretty interesting. I'm not sure that I, that I totally, that I'm, like, outrageous about it. But they were, they were talking about health as a, as a barrier to Christian witness. One of the, the church, compared to normal population, is more overweight versus, like, non-church. Fellowship, right. Fellowship meals. Well, the thought was, it is the fellowship meals. And they're good. But the, the thought was. We need to have another. Was that it was kind of like a, it's, it's kind of a, a way for, for Satan to interfere with your witness. Right? Because if, if you look at people who, who tend to be overweight, tend to be less confident, and if you're not confident in yourself, you tend to, you know, not approach people for Christian witness, right? This is the theory, or this is what you agree with. Yeah, no, like, this is, I think this was their explanation.

And I, and, you know, I think that's, I think that's probably true to a certain extent. I, I'm not sure it's the epidemic that, that I think they were, they're trying to get at in the, the movement thing. But, um, I, I think there's probably some, some truth to it, to not taking care of, a complete care of yourself. And, and it, it does become harder for you to approach other people strongly, um, lacking the confidence, um, because of, you know, how you look or how you eat or how you feel and that kind of stuff. So, I, that's kind of interesting. No, that's, that's true. Although, I mean, there's like 50, but I'd say some parts of that are true or not. You know, like, I've known overweight people who are extremely boisterous and on fire for the Lord, you know what I mean? Right. There's obviously, you know, uh, people who, who buck that example. But, like, remember when I was going to, um, I was going to some churches to try to find us some live, live people to play on the show, you know? Yep. Like, I had smoked that day, and I decided that I wasn't going to go there because I didn't want to walk in there smelling like smoke because I thought they won't come on our radio show. But are you saying if you're fat that day, you shouldn't, like, you know, you shouldn't go in looking fat? No, I understand how that has anything to do with it. You know what I mean? Like, like, we're saying that health, well, are you talking about more so being overweight? He didn't say it in the way. He said health in general. Yeah, just, yeah, just people, um, I think it's, it's because. Well, unhealthy usually applies to being overweight. Well, it could be. I mean, I'm not, I'm not particularly healthy, but I'm not particularly overweight either. That's not true. Meth addicts are extremely underweight, and they're unhealthy. Right. I don't know. I don't really understand, though, how, I don't know.

Yeah. I don't really understand how that, because I can, I can see it in, if you're talking about being overweight, which I still don't really agree with. But, like, I, I don't think, I guess you're right. Like, if you're overly skinny, you could say, oh, he's unhealthy. But the majority of people you're going to look at are overweight, not underweight. I think they're, he's pointing at self-esteem type issues, not exactly your appearance to other people. So, I don't understand how health would be a roadblock to witnessing. That sounds like an excuse to me. Well, no, it is. I mean, everything is an excuse. Can be. I mean, no, everything is. Everything is an excuse to. Not if you don't use it. Everything can be an excuse if you use it as an excuse. Yeah, but if you're not, I mean, that, like, everything, if you're not witnessing, there has to be a reason for it, and it's an excuse because you should be witnessing. Right? So, I mean, there's nothing to say that, well, I'm not witnessing because X, that's always an excuse, right? Anything can be that. Because usually people are like, well, they're going to laugh at me. They're going to reject me. They're not going to like me. They're going to think I'm a freak. Yeah, I don't think I'm going out witnessing because I'm healthy. I had a cavity last summer. I don't know if I should really. I can understand what you're saying. Like, I smell like smoke.

Well, put yourself in their disability shoes. Like, I'm not overweight. I don't know what that feels like. I don't know what it feels like to be mocked because of it. Same thing for my smoking. You know what I'm saying? But I don't see if you walked in to recruit bands and you're overweight. I don't think that has anything to do with it. If you smoke, I agree that that would look frowned upon. They might not want to come do live music for you. You're one of those. But you're 50-50-ing it. Like, I know that's what would happen, like with my case. But I'm not overweight to know that it would stop me from even going in the building. Okay, so you're saying that they could use that as an excuse. Right. Right. Okay. Not that people look at fat guys and go, that guy doesn't know the Lord. Get out of here. Yeah, yeah. That's what I thought you were more so getting at. But on the same line, I mean, that's not really much of a point because, like you said, anything can be an excuse. Yeah, but that… I mean, so, like, you know, we could name any specific topic and say, well, that's an excuse not to witness. You know? Yeah. I have a beard.

I don't know. I didn't say anything that would disagree with that. No, I'm just saying, yeah. I'm just saying that, like, so, I mean, I don't think there's really any reason to bring up a specific thing like that when you could say, well, I, you know, I'm left-handed. Or, I don't know. Yeah, yeah. Just any ridiculous comment and you could say, well, that's a reason not to witness. Although I'll have to say, somebody today asked me about Jesus and it suddenly occurred to me when I was shaving, there was like a little patch I missed today. And I couldn't tell him. I said, you'll have to come back tomorrow. I don't feel confident this year. I really can't communicate to anybody right now. I need to take care of this problem. But I can't do that until tomorrow. I understand that. That is terrible when you forget just a little patch. I noticed that today. I'm like, what is… Oh. Was it, like, a really obvious patch? Yeah, it's here. Where do I see it? It's all kind of growing back now. That's not a reflective camera. Yeah. What are you doing? You can't see yourself in there? Just showing people.

Looking deep into their eyes. I don't know. We just lost four of yours. Martha, turn off that thing! Actually, we did. Did we? I don't know. Someone's got hair on his microphone. That's not me. It's disgusting. Anyway. I thought it was interesting. I thought it was interesting. That is an interesting thought. So what was the outcome of the conversation? Apparently not. Well, it wasn't… I don't know. I mean, I don't think we weren't talking to come to some kind of point. It was just something that someone else had been talking about, about how people… I think it applies on a wider scale to say that sometimes there are things that you can do so that you don't lack confidence. Like if you're unconfident approaching people because of something that's hindering you, it's something you can address. Like you need to be aware of what barriers keep you from talking to other people. And they're not necessarily, you know, lack of belief on your end. It's not lack of confidence of what you believe on your end. Sometimes, like socially, there are things that hold you back from witnessing to other people. And those are things that you need that you can be cognizant of to work to try to change. If you are that…

If your, like, weight affects your self-confidence, doesn't that say you're a little bit shallow or lacking in self-confidence anyway? I mean, I don't really get… I mean, I could lose 30 pounds right now. No, that's a reasonable thing. People are self-conscious about their weight. I mean, that's a reasonable thing. I'm not. I could give a rip. I mean, I'd like to lose about 30 pounds. But I'm like, eh, I really should lose 30 pounds. I mean, it's probably common that people are self-conscious about certain things, the way they look or their weight. I mean, so that's understandable. I think it's a leap to correlate that to that's hurting my witness. I think that's a social… That might be a social issue where I find it hard to address people. I have low self-esteem. And part of that may be witnessing. But I don't see how that should have a direct impact on… Because you're saying, oh, no, I'm worried I better not talk, right? Like, it's the person saying, I don't know if I should speak because, well, look at me. I'm not the example. No, right. No, no, no, no, no. It's the person that doesn't take the opportunity. It would be affecting their life more than just the witness, right? Like, it affects their life universally. But from a Christian perspective, it obviously is impacting your witness as well because it's impacting your life universally. If you lack some self-confidence to be able to approach people and engage people socially, obviously, you're going to have trouble witnessing people in the same time.

But then you don't need to make a Christian-type improvement. You need to make a self-esteem life improvement. Well, but no, that's the point. That seems like it's the same thing. I mean, I don't care if people like me. You know, so that's not going to affect whether I engage in this conversation because, well, no, you don't like the way I look. Some people do care if people like them. Right. I'm just saying get over it. Well, yeah. I mean. I mean, if you're going to spend your whole life worrying about who likes you. Yeah. No, I'm saying I don't think you can just tell people to get over it. If they've got a legitimate issue that they need to work on. I just did it. Get over it. Oh, sorry. Cassidy. Yeah. He doesn't have a pen, so we're good. That's interesting, though, Zach. So what about telling someone to get over it? Like, what about that is not messing with you? Why it's not appropriate to say get over it? I don't care what you like. Well, and I don't like, and I'm not one to necessarily, like, coddle people's feelings. But, like, I think it's by saying that you're, I don't know, how's the word, you know, like, de-legitimizing the fact that it's a real issue for them.

And if you just say, hey, get over it, it's not just something they're being ridiculous about. It's actually a real concern that maybe they need help with. That's why I'm not a very good counselor. Like, not just like, hey, get over it. Because it's almost like saying, hey, you don't have a real problem. Get over it. Like, they go, oh, you're right. I should get over it. We're like, no, I can see where that's a legitimate issue with someone. And I can see where it affects their life as a whole, which one of them being their witness. But I don't see that as a Christian-type issue. I just see it as a life issue. That will help your work. It'll help your witness. It'll help, you know, your friendships. I mean, whatever, you know. I don't know. It depends on if you already have a current walk with Christ and that, maybe get over it's the right answer. Like, I had a, I was talking to somebody about somebody a while ago, and I said, well, they have self-esteem issues, you know. He said, do they know Jesus? And I said, yeah. And he goes, self-esteem's not an issue. He goes, you already know that someone came down and died for you already. What more else do you need to show that you're worth something? You know, if you're still dragging that around, then you've got some real problems. I mean, with Jesus, like, I don't know, his left ear is a little lower than the right ear. Not you, you know. But in that context, and it's funny because, like, I don't feel like I'm, it's almost coming off like I'm trying to, you know, cow people's feelings here.

And I'm usually not really like that. But, like, it's almost coming off, like, in that context, anything, you should say, get over it. Because we know that the sacrifice. Yeah, but you don't tell someone whose dad just died, get over it, or whatever. Well, that's different. But why is it different? Because their dad just died. How is that not saying it's an attitude? Yeah. You could choose to just go on your day and go to work and be the normal guy and get over it. But, you know what? Just like you could choose to quit worrying about your weight. There comes a time, though, when you've got to get over it. Because socially, no, you're right. A year goes by, it's like, all right, get over it. No, so, I mean, I agree with, like, that some people should get over things. I mean, in the sense that, look, you're going to have to, like, figure out a way to get past this. Right. But I feel like, but just the fact that you say, hey, get over it, like, you're dismissing. I guess more so my point was not agreeing with that was dismissing their issue. I was trying to stand up and say, hey, I think that it's a legitimate issue that somebody would say, hey, my weight is affecting me in my life. That's a legitimate issue. Not to say maybe you should say, hey, you need to get over that. But I was just defending the issue is legitimate. I agree that it's an issue because you allowed it to be an issue. Yeah. Like the proverb of that Sunday was like, oh, there could be a lion in the street. But I feel like you were implying that, hey, that's ridiculous.

Just get over it. But all I was saying is I was defending the fact that for some people that is a legitimate issue. And you're right. They may need to get over it, but they need to have more of a way to get over it than just saying, dude, you're an idiot. Get over it. No, I know what you're saying. It's like me making up some excuse saying, you know, I can't witness. Because House is on on Tuesday nights. You know, it's like, dude, get over it. First of all, House is on on Mondays. Okay, well, Tuesday nights on TiVo. How about that? You TiVo House? No, Hulu. We do. I thought House didn't come out until a week after it was posted. So you're a week behind. It's eight days. Yeah. It's actually more than a week. Yeah, it's eight days. Which, what's that about? Like eight days? NBC puts their stuff on the next day. Yeah, I don't think Fox has a direct relationship with Hulu. Like they're kind of… Well, I watched it on Fox, actually. Yeah, you watched it on the Fox.

So, yeah. Yeah. And I don't know, but why eight days? Like, what's that about? Because you would already have one episode and another episode, and then you get the, you know… That's a rip-off. Like, why would they want you to be further behind than you should be? There's got to be a reason. Well, maybe they want to sell their advertising space as a premium on the TV. So they're saying, hey, watch it live. Yeah, they want to push you into doing it on the TV. I can see that. Well, TiVo, you wouldn't want to encourage them to TiVo because they're fast-forwarding commercials. TiVo can go through the commercial. Yeah. So watch it live. Yeah. True. And we'll give it to you eventually, but later. Yeah. Get over it. Get over it. Get over it. Yeah. It needs to be done. I'm a horrible counselor. Yeah. I don't think that's that bad.

Sometimes I'm like, get a job. So if you come in and say, you know, I'm really having some marriage issues, get over it? Sometimes. Okay, but sometimes. When they keep coming and coming and coming, it's like, really? You're still crying about this? I agree sometimes. Yeah. But what about the other times? That's not the sometimes. Because there are legitimate issues. That's all I'm saying. And sometimes you've got to help people through things. That's all I was saying is sometimes people need to get over it, but sometimes the issue of self-esteem is actually a legitimate issue that they need help with, and not just the half of them say, fine, get over it. There are people, though, that have legitimate issues that I could see, hey, they need help to get over this, so it'll help their life, it'll help their witness, all those things, more than just, dude, get over it. You know what I mean? Sometimes buddy to buddy, you may say, dude, get over it. It's coming to what a dad is going, yeah, get over it. I don't think. You know what I'm really thinking? You know? Well, my observation in life is the whiniest people on earth tend to be Christians. You know, they're all whiny about stuff, and sometimes I just want to slap them all and just say, you know, really?

Just get over it. You know, that's actually, that's interesting you said that, because that was the one thing I meant to talk about a few weeks ago, and I never got around to it, is I was, there's a local Christian radio station here, and I mean, don't take this the wrong way. It's on AM? I actually listen to it. It's not an AM station. Everybody has fun at my expense. Welcome to open forum. Poor Ben. So anyway, but like, I was actually listening to this, and they have people call into the prayer line, and they talk about their prayer, and the tagline of this radio station is, you know, an uplifting message of hope. And, you know, they'll play clips of people who had called in and said, you know, I was really feeling down today, and then I heard the song, and I just really felt lifted up, I mean, I thought, I thought, what, like, and I'm guilty of this in cases as well, but like, I don't know how Christ followers got to be such, like, so beaten down. I know. And so, I mean, think of what you've been given. You've been saved by grace. You are the child of the most high God. And I'm like, oh, if only someone would play an uplifting song. Did you see the way that person looked at me in the car when I ran that red light? And, you know, but I think that's one of the things that I think as a whole, we don't move strongly. We don't move, and I'm guilty, I'm totally guilty of this, but, you know, like, I think temptation tends to lead into your life, and sin leads more into your life, and you get more, you know, thrown off whatever path you're supposed to be on, because you're waiting

for life to happen and for God to save you. He's already saved you. Now live the life that he gave you, and we don't do it. We don't do it. You sit around, and I mean, you sit in the… Richard, brother. You go to… What do you do? You go to church, you sit in the chair, you take it in. You take it in. And you go, oh, that was good. Yeah, that's great. I gotta remember that. And you get in the car, and then it's gone. Right? It's gone. You don't do anything. Nothing about your life changed for the 45 minutes that your butt was in the pew or in the chair. Yeah, but maybe, okay, but maybe the song was a reminder. Maybe that's the point. Maybe you went three days since Sunday, and you're like, maybe you realize, man, I'm an idiot. I know I should be, but I did get down, or my life got to me. I heard that song, and man, it reminded me. It uplifted me. I'm not saying that doesn't happen, but this is not… These are not situations. The types of people that they're playing, these aren't people who needed a reminder

that they had inspiration from God. This is… Right. You're on the Christian radio station to begin with. You know what I'm saying? It's not like you just happened upon it. We're talking about people that constantly… Right, but… Yeah, so what are you doing ignoring the other parts of the Christian state? You know what I mean? Like, if you've got it on all the time, and it just now uplifted you, what have you been… Wait, but this one… What have you been doing? Now I'm ready. It's like, well, I mean, I guess it's, you know, you could read the Bible, and you could say, oh, man, that one really hit me, but it's kind of like, shouldn't every line of every page hit you, you know? It's like saying, oh, that chapter, all the rest of it was garbage, but that chapter got me, though. That was good. Well, that actually comes on the same point of, especially with the Christian radio station, not all Christian music is good. No. Just because you put Jesus in the title, or sing about the Lord, does not mean you put out good tunes. Your tunes are garbage, you know? Sometimes. It's hit and miss.

It's gotten a lot better over the last, I don't want to say, 10 years. It's changed a lot. It seems like it's gotten a little bit better, you know, not the padded sweatshirts and the grandma sweaters, like we were talking about, but it just, I mean, it just, it's sometimes people think, like, I'm, you know, listening to this new Christian band, and just because I'm a Christian, I'm supposed to say, yeah, those guys are… Or like, you can't say, dude, that sucks, you know? Well, I hate the message, it's great, but like, that sucks, you know? Take Jesus out of that title. Yeah. That's terrible. It's a terrible song. Stop representing the Lord with your crappy ukuleles. You know, three dudes, a ukulele, and one tenor saxophone, you are not a Christian band. You are three weirdos and a saxophone player. And why is it you can go to a bookstore, and if it says Jesus on the pencil, it costs three times as much as a pencil that, you know, says Spider-Man. I can't figure out why Bibles are still so expensive. I know. The authors died centuries ago. I know. I think there… Yeah, where's the royalties going? Now, granted, there are some cool Bibles out there. There's some… Some study helps and stuff. Yeah, there's maps. I get that, right?

Just the Bible. Yeah. The plain Bible costs 20 bucks. 20 dollars for the Bible. Yeah. It's free. I mean, it's free. You can find a church that will give it to you for free. I know one. Yeah. Play. Anyway. I'm just… Well, let's circle back. So you're saying, and I agree with you on this, that, okay, as a… I don't know if you can say as a whole or not, because you don't want to generalize everybody, but that Christians have become very weak, just like you're saying. And I agree. You talk about being bold about all those things, and it seems like a lot of times so the opposite. So what should we be doing, you know, that keeps us bold, keeps us not… So we're not so pitiful to be like, oh, I'm so thankful for this little song. We need to get over it. Get over it's good. I mean, really. So, you know, okay, being the word… Would you buy that t-shirt? What if I make a t-shirt?

Make a t-shirt and I will buy it. All right. Okay, get, you know, be in the word every day. Okay. But, I mean… But it's not… Okay, what else? It's just going to be thick-skinned. Quit looking for reasons to be offended. Right. Move with strength. I mean, you're the strong servant. But not everybody is a strong person, though, as a person. Why not? Ask them. Because they're coddled. They're not. Well, right, no, but I'm not sure I'm willing… Because they're coddled. Dead on, Daniel. I'm not sure I'm willing to concede that people aren't strong. Or can be. Or can be. Well, think about at work. There's a lot of people on a floor at work. Not all of them are strong. Okay, I guess, yeah, I guess you would probably be saying they can be. Right.

But not all of them have the personality that's of a strong person, necessarily. You got Jesus. Yeah. See, here's the deal. But not everybody is going to lead the church. I mean, it's… You got hands and feet and, you know, all that stuff. But this is from our education, young… It's like they're afraid to be a failure. It's like nobody keeps score in Little League anymore because they might be wrong. It's like, you know what? That's how you get strong. You fail. You got to win and lose. And you get slapped around a little bit. But life, I mean, and then they enter into the real world and if the corporate world's afraid to offend anybody, it's like, we're headed to trouble because we have a bunch of these wimpos walking around. You know, it's just like, come on. Yeah. I don't know. Well, I mean, but some of that isn't… Isn't some of that maybe part of the concession that though they're just… They're weak. They're not strong. That's not them. I mean, like, maybe that… Maybe, I mean, if that becomes acceptable, then that becomes tolerable and then people…

Yeah. Yeah. The thing is, I mean, everybody has weak times. Yeah. I mean, you know, dad dies. Yeah. You know, I've been through that. I mean, there are times… Well, but what are we talking about in the definition of weak? Because I can… Not strong. Well, no, but I mean, like, because… Vulnerable. Because are we talking about not being bold enough to outwardly, you know, because not everybody operates in that way. You know, like, are what… Well, yeah, yeah. I'm not that way. You could talk to a lot of different people and they could have a different definition of strength. Yeah. You know, I'm thinking of a strength of being, like, being a leader or being outspoken and, you know, especially when you talk about witnessing, you know, really doing your thing. I'm just talking about being offended every time you walk around, like… Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that has gotten ridiculous. Oh, somebody… Everybody's so sensitive. Yeah, yeah.

And… Yeah. But I don't think you have to be… I don't think you have to be a leader to be strong, right? No, no. I mean, like, you're called to be a servant and you can be a servant and you can do it with strength. Like, and some of that is just putting your whole heart into being a servant of people. But the distinction, I think, is that you are a servant. You are not a slave, right? You are carrying out the work that God has put you on the earth to do and he's asked you to do. But that doesn't mean you have to get kicked around by people. It doesn't mean that you have to, you know, be trampled on by folks. It doesn't mean that you can't approach what you're doing with the strength that God has given you and in the fashion that God has asked you to do it. But the strength part of that equation is the God part of the equation, right? Because the same person could be doing the same thing without God in it and it's not really a strong position, right? Serving others doesn't tend to be a strong position except for you're doing it out of strength because God has told you to do it. And God is the strength part of that equation. It's for a higher purpose. Right. You're saying people can't be strong without God? I'm saying that there's a way, like the weakness that seems to pervade a Christ-following culture is people who aren't carrying out or maybe completely comprehending what God has granted them, right? He's given you that strength. And because strength is defined by God as way different than the way that strength is looked at from a worldly view. But, I mean, isn't that to be human? No. No, I don't. But who said human race has always been and should be strong individuals? Like I know, like we think of strength as positive and it's probably even in the Bible that strength is a good thing.

But by human nature, are we not just weak or can be or susceptible to being, right? That means that you're saying that there's parts of the Bible that are only for certain people and that's not the truth. No, I don't think so. Well, explain that because that's not what I'm trying to say. But I'm not saying that the human race is not strong. I mean, the Lord created the human race, right? So they're all God's children. No, no, don't. Okay. To clarify, I'm not saying they should be that way or they were naturally born that way. But it's become somehow accepted and you're raised and there's just so many weak people out there. And again, I'm not saying that it's right or like that we were DNA'd into being weak. Right. But there's a, we can agree, there's a problem that there is a large majority of just weakness going on, complaining and sensitivity. Would you say that's a walk away from Christ? I think as a culture, it's been coddled. I really do. I mean, it's just like, you know, what makes a plant strong? It's being blown about in the wind and the storms and they get strong and we don't have… But I guess that's my point is that that's why you need Christ and you constantly, even if you're a Christian, you need to constantly be in the word and have a small group and go to church on Sunday because you need to continue to learn how to be strong and be reminded to be strong. And just because you're a Christian doesn't mean you go, boom, now I'm a strong person because maybe by human nature or society has wrapped us into being a bunch of weak people. No, I would agree with that, but I think that's kind of actually what we're talking about is that the Christian example has shifted to being a weak example, right? It's not the true Christian example, not the Christ-fallen example. Yeah, but just society even as a whole. But I mean, that's the problem. We are all capable of not being that, right? Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely. And I think from a worldly perspective, we've accepted strength as something that isn't actually strength.

Sometimes it's just the shadow of what strength is. I'm strong because I command people. Well, your strength is a worldly strength. I shared this once in our small group. It occurred to me within, I don't know, it was like three months ago, I was in a meeting with some of the higher-ups in our company. I work for a rather large company. And the one thing that I thought of when I was sitting in the room with all these people that worked three levels up for me is I thought, I'm probably the Christian leader here. You know what I'm saying? They're the business leader. But, you know, if an asteroid hits this building or the north half of this building on fire and they're looking for God, I'm probably it. And I should be carrying myself and I should realize that. It has nothing to do with me being—it's not me being a leader. It's just I have strength in Christ and I know that. It's not being cocky or arrogant. Well, ideally, we would all remember that every moment of the day, but, I mean, we don't. Right. That's why we have God's Word written. That's why we have small groups and churches because we need that. We need to be fed because otherwise you wouldn't need to do it. Like, I would know I'm a Christian, I would have read the Bible once, and I would just be doing everything that it said. But we don't do that. That's just—that's to be human. I guess that's what I'm getting at is, you know. Well, I don't think anybody can argue that the human is not—I mean, obviously, you know, it's well-documented three verses in that we're the following, you know, like we've fallen there. But I, you know, I guess the thing as a whole—and I'm not saying that, like, obviously people struggle, right? And obviously you're going to have times where you're not motivated and you've got times where you're, you know, you're not acting in strength. But what I think I'm asking is that I don't think we need to embrace that. I don't think we need to embrace the thought that, you know, I'm going to lay back and Lord just carry me through the day.

Why don't I run with the Lord? You know, he's going to outrun me every time, right? He's way better at it. And—or like you said, you know, like somebody's calling on the radio, it's like you should be not—and it sounds bad to not be encouraging people, but it's almost like you should not be encouraging the behavior of, oh, I felt so down and now I've got a good song. And while that's a good story, you're almost encouraging weak behavior. Hey, listen to our radio show and—or our radio station and you'll be uplifted. I mean, that is a good thing, but you're almost encouraging a bunch of weak behavior. You should be going, hey, that's great, buddy, but I'd like to encourage you to be stronger and not be so beaten down while a little bit—a little stupid song needs to uplift you in your life. And that's—well, that's some of the thing is I think is sometimes—and, you know, I don't know how this changes really, but sometimes, like, we tend to—I think we coddle that behavior, though. Because someone says, oh, you know, I'm really having a rough time. You know, I don't feel like I'm connecting with them. And we're like, oh, you know, you don't pray, you know, and God will lift you up on this deal and he'll make you feel better. You know, but God has already given you the answer, and part of that is get up and do what he said to do. You know what I'm saying? Like, they're expecting God to kind of just carry them through their life. And it's—God, he gave you instructions. He's there for you. You know, obviously true, but he gave you ways to live your life. A lot of the stuff that God has in there are rules to try to keep you on track, right? But, like, the stuff that sometimes we look at and say, you know, I don't know—you know, I don't know why God chose to say that particular rule. I don't know what's—you know, why he's doing that. He knows what's going to screw up your thing, right? He gets it. And so he's laid out ways to—how to act, how to not act, to try to keep you in line. And if you're not taking—if you're not acting, if you're just waiting for the world to hit you, Jesus to take you home— You're kind of being pitiful. Exactly, and it's not that people can't get in those situations. I think I totally understand that.

But it's the thought that I think we have to be careful as Christ followers to not coddle that behavior and to be—you know, we understand. But it's the encouraging point, and it's not okay to, you know, bring meals to the guy, you know, for three weeks on end because he doesn't want to get off his couch and he feels bad. You can bring a meal that day, and then you're going to talk to him about it and butt off the couch. And that's where the—what was the line we've been saying? Get over it or whatever, right? And that's where that comes in. And, like, there is a legitimate part where you've got to—you know, people might grieve or people might need to get their crap together. And it might take them some time to get your crap together. And you can be comforting to that or supportive of that. But at a certain point, you go, dude, get over it, you know? I mean, look at the Israelites. You know, and it's like it's so easy to read the story and go, man, they were idiots. They can't even see what they got right in front of them, and they're days away from getting it. And they—and then how many times do we do that in our lives? We'll do the same thing, yeah. You know, we've got everything, and we know it. And it's even—it's worse than somebody who doesn't even know it because at least they somewhat have an excuse for not getting the picture. I get the picture, and I'm being an idiot, and I can read the story and go, yeah, they're so stupid. And then I go off and, you know, call the radio station, you know? I mean— And we all have those times. Yeah. Yeah, sure. I think it'd be better at times—I mean, sometimes you've got to pick people up and carry them. Yeah. And sometimes you've just got to slap them and say, get over it. Get over it, yeah. I mean, what drives me crazy is when someone calls up and, well, you know, little Suzy—we're upset.

We're mad because little Timmy threw a block at little Suzy, and now we're going to go find a new church. And, you know, I'm like, well, okay. You know, they want me to come beg or something, and, oh, please come back. We're sorry we offended you. And usually I'm like, really? But that's all it took. You weren't here anyway. Let's re-analyze this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I mean, that's been doing this for however many years, a long time, and have always been situations where people, like, they want you to beg them to come to church, and we're going to leave, you know? And it's just like, well, leave then. Or some people want, you know, whether it's just at work or in life, you know, some people want, you know, some big kudos for doing something that's like, great, you did it. Awesome. Now do more of it. Or, you know, just like— Wasn't that your job? Yeah, I know. You know, that's— You know, that's one of my favorite parts, and it was weird. I was actually—I was thinking about that on the drive in, and I'm totally going to screw the verse up a little bit, but it was where Jesus was talking to folks, and he's like, you know, who lends money to people and charges interest. Like, what credit is that to you? And think of all the things you're like, hey, look what I'm up to. And God's like, well, you know, what credit is that to you? What did you really do?

You know, and how— Is that what you're supposed to be doing? Yeah, how bloated you get for yourself for doing the basic things that I asked you to do, and you know what? What you get for doing the stuff I asked you to do is you get saved by my grace, and your life probably should go a little bit cleaner than some because I laid out some rules, and you're trying to stick to them, you know. And hopefully you were doing that through the power of the Holy Spirit in the first place, which means God really did it. Yeah, right. He just used your legs and your feet, and, you know. But we totally—but we all have egos, and we all have—you know, we all have little strokes and stuff, but I don't know. Well, you know, and I do have trouble with thinking—I think almost everything has to be selfish. Like, as much as you try not to be selfish, even the stuff that I do for God, I'm doing for me because I'm supposed to be doing it. I'm like, oh, I'm still getting something out of it, right? Yeah. So, I mean, to a certain extent, even that is selfish because I'm doing it because God told me to, and I feel like I'm not in as much peril when I'm doing the stuff that God instructed me to do. I had a hard time when I started becoming a Christian, and I was really good at the upfront publicity side of leadership. You know, like, I was the guy who you would ask to go up on stage and give an announcement or something in front of the whole— Oh, really? There you go, yeah. You know, in front of the whole—because there was like a young adult service, right? Or I'd lead some bowling league or, you know, just whatever, and I'd come up with goofy stuff to try and get you to be involved in kind of that social type of guy. And I really struggled with, like, where that fit in because I knew that I really was enjoying that. I sort of thrived off it, you know? You know, and at times it might got a little ego-ish, you know, but I think I was keeping it in check enough that I—like, I was doing it for the right reasons. And maybe sometimes, you know, I got that ego pleasure out of it. But, like— Sure. And I really had to come to grips, though, and realize, hey, that's okay.

Like, as long as you are keeping yourself in check and you're not doing it for the wrong reason. But I actually had to take an honest look at myself and say, am I doing this for the right reason? Because I do like being up in front of people, and I was getting a little attention, you know, and, you know, I was trying to put the attention on what I—but, you know, it naturally does give you a little attention. And I had to really take that look and say, am I doing it because I'm feeding off this, or am I really wanting to help out? And I came to the conclusion that I really do—I think I need to be careful to keep this in check, but I think it's okay. But I struggled for a little while with, is it okay, or am I actually doing it, you know? And I guess it was good enough to at least bring up the question. That's a healthy struggle. Yeah. I mean, because every one of us has to keep ourselves in check. And no matter what it is we're doing, our ego can get in the way. We can turn a corner pretty quickly. Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, and I remember somebody saying to me, like, hey, God wants you to use your strengths. So don't, you know, stand back from that. And again, you've got to still evaluate yourself and keep yourself in check. But God wants you to use your strengths. And if that happens to be your strength, now that strength just so happens maybe to get a little more attention than the strength of more behind-the-scenes servant roles, like, hey, I'll clean up afterwards. That may not be as out there. And yes, I do like the fact that I was maybe getting a little attention or I was kind of that guy. But ultimately, I was trying to serve. And so, yeah, it was okay. I mean, yeah. Get over it. Get over it, man. Get over it yourself. I like it.

I like it. I did come across a – we're actually getting pretty close. We've got another five to seven minutes. We didn't even get to sneak in a lazy man's break. Oh, yeah, I know. I had a Virginia Slim waiting for me. Obviously, we don't have any reason to take a break. It's not that we have an advertiser or anything. You just – you know, we just want a break. Makes us look legit. I mean, I've been talking for 45 minutes. Somebody cut the lights. That's a big thing for a guy. Yeah, I know. But I did run into – there was a story this week that pants actually funneled my way. So, Northampton, Massachusetts, a 20-year-old Pittsfield driver was cited by police Tuesday after she ran down Lord Jesus Christ in a marked crosswalk at Main Street and Strong Avenue, police said. Brittany Cannarello was cited for a crosswalk violation. And Christ, 50, of Belcher Town, was taken to Cooley Dickinson Hospital for treatment of minor injuries, released from a 3.30 p.m. accident. He was treated at the hospital and then released. Christ was in a marked crosswalk at the time of the accident. Savino said officers checked Christ's identification at the scene and confirmed it was his legal name. So, Christ got attacked? Lord Jesus Christ suffered minor injuries in a downtown Northampton crosswalk mishap. So, his first name is Lord. Yeah. His middle name is Jesus.

His last name is Christ. Christ, yeah. Yeah. Wow. He's 50. You know what I'm saying? It's not just some kind of punk that went to the thing at 23 and decided that's what he was going to do. But, yeah. He's 50. I want to know if that was his given name. Yeah, I checked. I tried to find him out. I'm assuming he changed it, right? Yeah, you would think so. Huh. Anyway. I don't know. How do you feel about that? Dan? I'm really feeling bad he got run over. He was in a crosswalk. He should have been safe. Yeah, no, no. Yeah, no. She, she, this was totally her fault. Does she know his name? Did she know his name on purpose? Lord Jesus Christ?

No. Yeah, yeah. I'm going to run over Jesus. No, no. It, no. She did not know that, I don't think. Did it say that it was an accident? Or it kind of implied that it was like this big on purpose situation? Yeah, no. She was sighted. She, she, she, she wasn't paying attention. She went around a corner and clocked. And clocked. Wow. How would you feel if you ran over Christ? That's pretty awkward, yeah. I just ran over Jesus. Jeez. Sorry, buddy. It's a, it's a story. I mean, now, here's what that guy's done. He has created, people will have a story every time they run into it. Yeah. Right? I'd almost want to hit him with my car. To get that story. You can say, you can see, you got him. Yeah.

I don't know. Bob, how does that work out for you? I mean, does he believe in Jesus? Does he think he is Jesus? Is he mocking Jesus? Yeah, because I know it could go so many ways. Well, because, I mean, I mean, just having the name Jesus isn't ultra offensive. And there's, there's a ton of Jesuses out there. Yeah. You know, it's a legit, Jesus was actually quite a popular name back in the day. I mean, it's not like he had, it's not like Jesus was your name. It was, you know, a normal name. So, it's not having the name Jesus isn't inherently bad. I think it's the Lord and the Christ that's been added to it. It tends to be the Messiah. You think it would have been an awkward situation if Mary's friend named her baby Jesus like two months before Jesus was born? Oh, I was going to use that name. I can't believe you did that. He said, ah, get over it. And this guy's name is, his middle name is Jesus. Yeah. So, and every day he's called Lord Christ. His first name is Lord. Like, he's not an Englishman. Like, he's not a Lord. He might hyphenate it so you have to include the Jesus. Oh, what? Lord Jesus Christ.

How does this name tag at church work? I'm not sure he goes. I'm not sure he goes. Because then he would be distracted during the prayers if people were always talking to him. What? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Sorry. Like, bless me, Lord Jesus Christ. I don't really do that. That's, you know, God does. That's not my job. Yeah, I just, you know. He's out getting a donut. What happened? Yeah. Well, that's just, I don't know. And what happens when, you know, that last moment he breathes his last breath and he opens his eyes and there he really is. And he realizes it's not him. Yeah. And Jesus says, we need to talk. Yeah. You're going to bow now. Who is it? It's Mr. Joker. Mr. Funny Man coming up to visit him. Come on down. Go in here.

There's a seat right over here for you, joke man. Been waiting for this day. Tried to set it up many times. I don't know. I just had a girl try to kill you with a crosswalk elevator. He wouldn't. That was no girl. That was an angel. Bow him down. Oh, yeah. That's, yeah. Dan, have you ever thought of changing your name to anything? Never. Christ Dan. Not necessarily to Christ. But like in general. Dan, okay, let me ask you this. If you could have, if you could change your first name to anything, what would it be? I remember very distinctly as a young child thinking, this is my name. I like it. Because of that, I'm not going to change it. There's nothing I can do with it. You know, it's who I am. So just, if you're going to live with it, might as well learn to like it. So I just decided I like me. Well, Dan, you have. That's good. I'm sorry.

I just said. You have a consistent personality. Get over it. You can be strong. I love the name. If you don't like the name, get over it. I love myself. Make me a shirt. Zach, have you ever considered having a different name? I used to think that I'd be willing to change my name, even including my last name, if I was in Hollywood. Not that it was ever going to be like, it was going to happen. But like, you know, because, or like, you could still keep Zach, but maybe like they said, oh, how, you know, that's too hard to pronounce, or we don't like that. So I'd be like, oh, yeah, I'll change it. Like, I was just a total sellout, you know. Like, I'm willing to do that. What do you need? You know, break the money in. I'll go with Sparky. And since then, I've come to like, my name. Yeah. I enjoy being a hulk, so. So you don't have a DJ name? Um, kind of. Oh! But I don't go by it. Yeah.

Like, it's Ace Cooler. Oh. But I don't ask people to call me like, DJ Ace Cooler. Hey, Ace. I don't say, hey, I'm Ace. Yo. Please only refer to me as Ace. I go by Velvet. Velvet Twitch. Tune in. Mike, have you ever considered changing your name? No. I saw that coming. That's a boring story. I was, uh. Make something up? I thought about it. Not really, but like, if I would go, oh, what was it? Ah, it started with an F. We can say that. This is not censored. Start guessing. Franklin. It might be Franklin. Do you remember it? Ferdinand. That's it. Fran.

Was it my first or last name? Woman. I used it for a while. Frank. Oh, got it. No, it wasn't Fletch. Flagellate? It wasn't Feldman. Feldman? I named a sheep Feldman. A sheet? Yeah. A sheep. Oh, sheep. Yeah. Yeah, there was a sheep called Feldman. Feldman up in the barn at the house Mike and I used to live on. They weren't our animals. There was a Bernie, the jackass, and Feldman, the sheep. And Hubert Montgomery, the pony. Yeah. Hubert, the small pony. If you don't have time, you guys got to just next week tell stories. Is this the Saran Wrap house? Yeah. You guys, I'd sit back and just listen. Next week. They're good stories.

You got to promise. Oh, man. We'll talk about the rental house. I proposed to my wife in that house. Was there a deer leg on the floor next? Honey, forget the smell of the dead deer leg that the dog brought in. I thought it would be a fresh dose of life. She didn't see it that way. I can give you things no other man can. That is a good story, though. Oh. The dog bringing that deer leg in there. And the dog hiding cake behind the door. There's all kinds of good stories. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Okay. We'll remember that for next week. And I'm going to think of my… I can't believe I forgot it. No. No. It was a G. It wasn't an F. I'm not guessing for nothing. G-Man. No.

It's gone completely. All right. George. I tell you what. We're going to go ahead and get on out of here. We're going to leave you with a small video to send you off. Thank you so much for listening. You've been listening to Live from the Path. We are all from Pathway Church in Johnson. We meet at 10 a.m. on Sundays at Wallace Elementary. If you're looking for a church body that can love and support you, we'll be glad to do it. More importantly, and to tell you to get over it, this is what you need. It might be what you need. Unless your name is Lord Jesus Christ. Sometimes that's the most loving thing you can say. That's right. And more importantly, if you're looking for a relationship with Jesus Christ… You think Lord Jesus Christ, the guy who would take money out of the offering plate? That would be ridiculous. This was obviously intended for me. I don't like this guy already. We need to meet him. We need to Skype him. Yeah. I can't imagine he hasn't gotten requests for media interviews already. Just so someone can call him. You strike me as someone who doesn't have Skype.

He's under the Skype handle, Lord Jesus Christ? That would really be something. I don't know about this guy. You just said you liked him. You could call me most high. That's not good. It's not if we need to distance ourselves. All right. Yeah. It might not go well. It's shady. All right. Do we interrupt you? No. I'm going to go ahead and flip it over and watch a video this week. Pray for yourselves. Pray for us. And we'll see you next week. You may be wondering why there is a fully clothed man in a sauna. I submit to you, it is no more ridiculous than selling weed out of the back of a conspicuous van, or trying to make homemade margarine. The real question here is, if a grown man can hang it in a sauna by himself, maybe that girl I've had a crush on since second grade will accept my phone call. Or maybe my boss will finally see that the promotion that he gave to Old Spice Tim McMitchell really should have gone to me. In either case, I'm growing my mustache in here until the world understands me for who I am, not just a cool guy in a sauna, but a well-educated man who gets all his information from live from the path on Des Moines Amplify.com.