From the Pathway Studios in Johnston proper, you are live from the past. You are listening to Live from the Past. My name is Ben Foose. Thanks for being with me here. Mike? That's good. I found a pair of headphones that worked. Sweetness. I'm really happy. All right. Well, anyway, you're listening to Live from the Past. My name is Ben Foose. Thanks again for being with us. It's a cool day here in the Live from the Past Studios. Kevin Carson fixed the air conditioner. He sure did. We love you. Mike, get up on the end of that microphone, buddy. I'm so happy about the headphones. I can't even describe it. And the air conditioning. Yeah. So we've got a pretty big show for you tonight.

In just a few minutes, we're going to get a hold of the Corinth D13. He's performing at the Spirit Midwest Music Festival, so we're going to hook up with him, see what he's got going on. Good decision. Yeah. And then, what? Oh, Dad's big face was taking up the whole camera. He had to scoot it back a little bit. Also, we're talking about allowing people to serve in ministry, or allowing people to serve in the church. And what responsibility do you have to kind of evaluate what they're about and where they're at to allow them to serve? Ooh. So we're going to be talking about that after we get done talking about the Corinth D13. I think that's huge. Yeah. That is the number one reason most churches do not prosper, if I dare use that word. They don't succeed. I don't know. They don't. Well, I guess we'll talk about how far leadership goes. Like, who is considered a leadership position, too?

We'll talk about it later, Dad. Okay. So that's coming up. Thanks for the morning. After our interview, then. We didn't tell you on purpose. I would have prepared for this one. I know. That's why we didn't tell you. I have no preparation. We had set up to do an interview with Jeremy Willett later on around 1045 or so. That is pushed next week. So we'll be getting a hold of Jeremy next week, and we'll talk to him as well as We Are Leo. We're going to hook up with next week, and also perhaps Satellite and Sirens. Oh, man. Satellite and Sirens. So it'll be a fun-filled week next week. Yeah, no kidding. Those sound like big names. Yes, they are big names. Also, in the second hour tonight, you're going to catch an exclusive look at Light Switch, who's also going to be at the Spirit Midwest Music Festival.

They stopped by and recorded some tunes for us and did a round of Secular vs. Solomon. And so you're going to be hearing that in our second hour. It's going to carry the night out for you. And frankly, it was a bit unfair because one of them loves Proverbs and skewed the results. I think we should have maybe flogged him or something. Yeah, you know, there's nothing that irritates me more than people that know the Bible when they come in here. Yeah, what is that? You know, it makes the games really difficult. All right, well, I'll tell you what. It's time. Let's place a phone call to the Corinth D13. I dig it. Should we be quiet? I'm kind of nervous. Yeah. What was that? Quiet. Will he hear us? Yes. Should I stop talking? Is this the Corinth D13? Yeah, this is the Corinth D13. Hey, Corinth D13.

This is Ben with Live from the Path, and we're on the air. Thanks for joining us tonight. Hey, how you doing, my brother? How you doing? We're doing very, very well. Well, look, we really appreciate you taking the time to talk with us. Representing Jesus Christ. Great hip-hop music. You know, I would say that, you know, if they love Lecrae and Tadashi and all of them, you know, this is another addition to the kingdom to really help forward the body of Christ with good lyrical content, you know, great stories, great messages, and so forth, so that people can walk away with a good, fulfilled show. Very cool. So maybe tell me a little bit about how you got into what you're doing now. Well, you know, I started out, of course, like every other rapper, I started out doing secular music, and they would have it, you know, the Lord was using all the training and everything that I was going through in the world to prepare me to be in the kingdom. When I got saved, you know, I struggled with wanting to, you know, do something for the Lord. I really wanted to do what the Lord wanted me to do, you know, and I had a struggle with that. But so when my girlfriend at the time presented me a Lecrae CD, the Rebel CD, when I heard that for the first time, I was so amazed at how he delivered and how he just, you know, drawed the people in by the word of God and just his concept and everything that he did. And I didn't want to be like Lecrae. Hands down, I respect him. I love his work. But I wanted to bring something new, something to the kingdom. And when I got into doing Christian music, you know, I learned the word of God. I learned how to apply scripture. I learned how to apply the scripture to my life and help other people see the application of the scripture. And I just started, you know, getting into writing a debut album that I wanted people to see the power of God in someone's life.

Very cool. Is there somewhere that, is that debut album out and about for sales or somewhere they can get a hold of it if they wanted to check it out? Yeah, this Friday will be the official national release of The Storm is Over. It will be available through cdbaby.com. And they can order it specifically through my website. There's a lot of information on my website where they can, you know, write into my office to order the copy and so on and so forth. And anyone that orders this new album and buys it, they will get a free copy of my brand new cd coming out April 22nd of 2012. That's very cool. Let me ask you, let me ask you, how do you think you got to be cooler than me? You know, I would say it's that kingdom swag, you know. So, you know, it's that kingdom swag. It's what God adds to you to make you better than who you are. Man, God must be using me to witness to dorky people. I got to change my ways. You know, I'm going to tell you, man, you know, when you love Jesus, Jesus is going to add to you what you don't think you have. So, to me, it's not really about being cool. It's about just knowing that God lives in me. He's going to give me the power and glory to do everything that I'm going to do for him. That's very cool. Yeah. So, do you have any other dates surrounding the festival here? Are you coming from anywhere? Yeah.

When I come out there, I'm going to be out there for two days ministering and performing. And when I come back, I got another show here in Minnesota at a local church. And then, that's on August 13th. And then I'm getting ready to do the Three Degrees Christian Tournament Tour put on by a very good pastor here over the club, Three Degrees, in the state of Minnesota. And then I'm just going to concentrate on doing a lot of local performances, a lot of local ministering, and so on and so forth, and building my schedule for next year. Because I got a tour coming up next year. I got a brand new CD coming out next year. And, you know, one thing I just want everybody to know, when they see the Corinth 13 hit any stage or hit any venue, you can just know that, you know, the power of God is going to be right there. And the spirit is going to be in full effect. I'm excited to see this show. Yeah, yeah, I am too. Yeah. So, you're also spending a little bit of time on the Truth Talk stage, correct? Yeah, most definitely. Julie, the CEO over at the Spirit Midwest Festival, she's been a great blessing. You know, God has definitely used her. And I wanted to be able to minister, because I am a minister also, I wanted to be able to minister to the entire crowd. You know, it's going to be new for me. This is like my 10th Christian performance, you know. So, I wanted to be able to speak to the people about going through a storm and weathering the storm, and most importantly, seeing God in the middle of that storm. Because anything we go through is not meant for us. It's meant for other people to know and for other people to know that God is definitely the victor in everything that we go through. So, it's going to be a good message that I'm going to give.

And it's going to be basically speaking about my CD, because every song on the storm is over. It's a true song. So, it's truth behind every song that's on it. Cool. Are you, your website, it's daywalkisentertainment.com, is that right? That is correct. All right, cool. So, they can check out information about you out there, as well as you said, some information about that upcoming CD on Friday. And also on CD Baby, you can pick that up. Mm-hmm. Yep, yep. The people, I'm asking, when I come back, I'm going to be releasing my first national song. It's called Weather the Storm. And basically, this is a song that I'm just giving to the body of Christ, you know, to help the hurting people, help the young adults and so on and so forth, know that, you know, when you're weathering a storm, you know, you're going to come out of it better than you went into it. Very cool. Very cool. Well, I don't know, I'm excited. I'm excited to check that out. I read a little bit, Julie Barnes from the Spirit Women's Festival had sent out kind of a little bit about your story. So, I'm excited to hear about that at the Truth Talk stage. And, yeah, I'm excited about the show. We'll go ahead and let you go. I know it's a little bit late at night, but I just wanted to give you a big thank you for calling in, and we'll see you at the festival.

Oh, no problem, man. I want to thank you guys, you know, for having me. I just want to say to the body of Christ, you know, come out and see the Corinne 13, give you a great show. Buy the CD. You know, it's going to be very good for you and your family and anyone that needs to get a good message about knowing that God is definitely in the middle of your life. I love it. Corinne 13. Sounds awesome. Thanks, man. Have a good night. No problem, my brother. Thank you. All right. All right. That was good. Corinne 13. You know what I liked about what he said? He said, I'm coming down there and the kingdom's coming with me. Yeah. I miss that type of trust and confidence in Jesus a lot. You know, like I think I waste that a lot where I say, I hope God blesses what we're doing or I hope God, this is where God wants me to go. Yeah. And when you find someone that says, you know what, I'm coming down there and the kingdom of Christ is coming with me and we're looking to get some stuff done.

That's a man who talks to God and says and has a relationship with Jesus and says, yeah, this is what we're doing. This is what's happening. I like that. I like that a lot. I really like the heaven swag. Yeah. That's pretty cool. Boy, I certainly don't have it. I like someone who won't admit that they're cooler than I am but certainly knows that they're cooler than I am. Yeah, I can pretty much tell. That's very cool. I'm pretty much cooler than you. Look, Poindexter, it's not my fault. That's a solid answer. He says the Lord's going to add something to you that you don't expect. He's ready for you. He was ready for you. He's giving me two extra teeth. I don't know what else he's got going. Wow. Bummer. Well, it sounds like he has quite a story. I mean, I'm interested to hear him.

It sounds like a lot of musicians, it sounds like there's maybe some pain in his life. He referred to weathering the storm quite a bit. And when is he on the Truth Talk stage? It's on Saturday. In fact, he might be just like right after us. So I think we're on from 10 to – We'll be pretty hard to follow. We're going to have to introduce him. We should flip that around. I'm sure he'd do us a lot more justice. No, if you're really ready for the kingdom of God. Exit stage right. Three doofuses. Wait, is that that nerd leaguer that was on the phone with me? I knew it was you. He wouldn't say that. He's good people. Anyway, so I mean, definitely check that out. I'm excited for this. Now, here's the problem. It's because we're going to be broadcasting and there's going to be three different stages going on. We're going to have trouble catching stuff. Yeah.

I might volunteer to be the guy recording the 13th stage. You know, I'm actually a little concerned about that. It's because we have to have – you know, there's got to be a little bit of content going on throughout Saturday. But there's a lot of bands and stuff that I'd like to see. Do we have like a matrix drawn up so we know what we're doing and who's doing what? I'm still working on that. You know that's Ben's deal. Well, it surely isn't mine. I just thought I'd throw that bug out. I've got a felt board and three markers. Nice. I'm in the process. What's that felt board called? It's called a something. We're going to have a production meeting. Felt board. What is that thing? It had like the cloth Jesus and the fish and the boat and you could make a Noah's Ark on there if you wanted to. What are those boards called? Oh. My wife made one for the last prayer room for the kids to play with. A flannel board. Is that what they're called?

Oh, flannel graph. Flannel graph, yeah. Yeah. And she bought a bunch of flannel graph pieces from some church and it came in the mail and it was – I don't know. She got it for like reasonably priced and it came from eBay. And this box had to have been bigger than what the car seat came in and it stunk like old church. Oh, yeah. Like linoleum and concrete block. That's because no one's used this stuff for 35 years. And then there's – it was really weird what was in there. It's like there's like 10 little girls playing with dollies and then like a giant Jesus who's way bigger than the rest of the kids. He's taller than everybody. It's very creepy but very useful. The kids enjoyed it. Actually, I enjoyed it. Actually, we'll have – we'll see how that schedule thing turns out. There's a lot of – like the bands are pretty close together but they all may be five or ten minutes apart. And we have just a little bit of time to like film for 15 minutes, run and drop off some video, go run over and film somewhere else. Luckily, I think we've got a couple guys set up that you would expect to be running a camera. Dudes who like really try hard to keep their pants up but keep falling down on them. That's who you would expect to be running a nice video camera. I think we've got that lined up. That's cool.

We've got some help coming in addition to the team, right? Yeah, exactly. We've got – the Carson Fellows are coming out. They're going to help us out. Big Tim Denner is going to show up. I'm excited. I love Tim Denner. He's going to come by. Do we have an editing crew that will be putting all these nice slick videos together for us like the Olympics? That's Ben too, Dan. That's me. We're in charge of making sure they don't run out of corn dogs. That's your idea. These budget cuts are really hurting us, aren't they? I need some felt and a couple hats. Hey, I was looking at – by the way, we were at the Hope Ministries thrift store over the weekend. And I was looking at some jackets to wear for our Olympic-style coverage. And I was pretty disappointed at the pricing of these jackets. Now, I get the retro was in, but they wanted like $9.50 for some sort of tweed deal. It was outrageous. No. Really, I'll just wait for somebody to die. I will check the obituaries, and I'll go to the estate sale and pick up something for a few bucks.

Hello, is this Ronald Burgess' residence? Look, I need to pick up his flannel jackets. I'm pretty sure he won't need them anymore where he's gone. Well, you can keep that one for the wake. Actually, I do like that one. When's the wake? I've changed my mind. Once they close the lid, it doesn't matter. Oh, man. So, anyway. Boy, I'm excited. I'm getting pretty jazzed up. I should have taken more than one day off. I took Friday off to get prepared for this deal. I really should have taken a couple days to get myself leveled out. Did you hear about the inflatables at this festival? I heard that there was going to be some. And there's water associated with them. Water inflatables. Yeah. I'm pretty jazzed. We're going in there. Now, listen here.

Water plus inflatables equals skimpy-dressed Mike. There's going to be good times ahead by all. Oh, no. Woo-hoo. They don't sell the one-piece black and white stripe anymore, so I'm going to have to go short. Oh, that would be awesome. Here's the deal. If we're having a normal broadcast and all of a sudden you hear Mike turn to his wife and go, paint me up, darling. I'm going out. We're terminating broadcasting getting out. Our license doesn't cover this. Internet broadcasting still has its limits. All right. So here's the question. And this has come up or anything. We had a couple conversations this week, both I think among us and then maybe some stories and stuff I've seen online. The question is to what responsibility do you have to evaluate the people that serve in the church? Because the church, it's a volunteer organization, and there's a lot that needs to get done. If you went with only what you would consider the cream of the crop, you might have three people. So the question is to what responsibility is there to evaluate where people are at biblically that are serving in the church in any capacity? We're talking from janitor to worship band to serving communion, setting up the donuts, that kind of thing. I think that the first step in the process is to have a clear job description.

That may sound silly, but if people don't know what their expectations are, it's hard to evaluate them and say you're falling short of them. It's not really fair to them. So you've got to start out with giving some clear instruction. Here's what this job is. As a matter of fact, I've been really going at it lately, making up all kinds of job descriptions for some of the ministry leaders. And really, they should be working on job descriptions for their areas of service. You mentioned communion serving. Well, how do you know how to do it if you've never done it? How do you know what's expected of you if you're not expected? But it's huge, I think, to evaluate all the time. Well, do you hold the people that you have serving communion to a certain, I don't know, fruits of the Spirit standard or walk with Christ standard? Yeah, you have to look at all the different areas and really evaluate how important. What is an entry-level position, so to speak, and what's more of a need higher qualifications? You don't send someone in to teach who doesn't know their Bible. You know, they've got to understand they have some spiritual depth. They've got to have some integrity to them that people would, you know, well, they can teach it, but they don't live it. You know, you don't want to have that either. See, I always find this to be subjective. Like, I always wondered, like, when someone comes in, let's say someone who doesn't know Jesus comes into church, and who they feel comfortable with talking. Sometimes the pastor is intimidating to them, you know. And so who— Maybe it's because he's so close to the camera.

Talk to me. So who do they latch on to? You know what I'm saying? Like, who do they—do they see the guy that serves communion and go, well, you know, he seems to be working here. Maybe I should talk to this guy. Or, you know, the guy that plays guitar and says, you know, and he stares at him for half the service and says, well, he seems to be, you know, participating here. Maybe I should talk to this guy or the donut guy. You know, and if that's the case, are these people in enough of a facilitating position that there's some kind of accountability that needs to be—that they need to be held to to serve in that aspect? I guess is kind of the question. A certain standard of lifestyle or integrity? Is that what you're talking about? Well, kind of. Or quality of work? Well, that's the thing. Like, let's take— Take quality work out of it. Okay, take quality work out of it. For now, let's take quality work out of it. Let's just talk about to what extent it's important to evaluate exactly where they are at

lest someone look at them as a leader in the church, regardless of what they do. Sure. I think the more public the service, the more you have to be careful who you put there because they are perceived as leaders, whether they're really a leader or not. You know, so you've got to be kind of careful of that. At the same time, it's got to be a safe place where, you know, we're all on a journey. None of us are perfect, and we all have error, and we all make mistakes. And no matter who you are in the church, you know, someone could find something in your life and say, man, you're a hypocrite. Well, that's—and we've talked about that. Like, that's true of everybody. Yeah. So are they on the journey? Are they making positive steps forward? That's different than if someone who's living in rebellion saying, well, I can do whatever I want, you know, that may have a smaller perceived sin. Because then you go into perceived sin. Right, and then you go into your time frame versus God's time frame, right? Maybe he is working on a guy, and it's going to take him a good solid year, and six months into it, you're going, look, I'm not seeing any fruits or fruits of the Spirit. I'm not seeing any perceived change of heart here. You know, can I continue to let him serve in this area? I'm not seeing any different than the day that you walked in.

But I don't know. Maybe God's working on them. Right. Right, and sometimes you know, as if you're a leader and you're putting servants in places, sometimes you'll know what's going on in their story, and other people don't know. You know, there's so many things to be careful in the leadership role of, you just can't go around blurting stuff out. Well, you know, Joe's got this issue, whatever it is, but he's working on it. You know, I'm probably not answering what you're going to say. So what it probably seems like is the best tact here is to have good leadership in place above them, right? Because you can't set a black and white standard on how everyone is to be placed and where, you know what I'm saying, according to their service, right? But like, let's say you have the head of the greeting committee or something, you know? Right. And the greeting committee is a very public ministry, and, you know, if someone shows up and says, I'd really like to be on the greeting committee, and you think, great, we have a hold of Phil, you know, great. And then, you know, six months later, you're not, you know, you get to know them, and you're not seeing a congruent lifestyle with what Jesus has said or what the church has set up. Maybe you might have to rethink that organization, right? Yeah, and also, that's a good reason to sit down with them and say, hey, where are you with Christ?

How are you growing as a disciple and follower of Christ? Here's, you know, not only do you need to do it for yourself, but now you're in a place of leadership. People are following you, and, you know, you can… That helps them see the importance of it. And if even then they go, yeah, whatever, I can do my own thing, then it's like, well, maybe we ought to put you in a different ministry. You know, God still loves you, we still love you, but can we shift you to somewhere else where you could serve in a way that won't harm yourself, and people won't look down on you, and you won't harm others? I think people are so afraid of having that conversation with somebody. I think they are so afraid of saying, where are you at with Jesus? You know, let's talk about what you have going on. Because they're so afraid that the judgment is going to turn around and come back on them. Yeah. You're pointing fingers, you're not good enough, and none of us are. That's the point. No, I think you're not doing anybody any favors by not having that conversation. Right. I don't think you're doing anybody any favors if they're Christians, if they know Jesus. If they don't know Jesus, you know, watch the finger pointing. You know, you've got to get them to know Jesus first. The perfect example of a place that is an interesting discussion amongst believers oftentimes is

like in the worship band. My philosophy is I don't care if they're a believer or not. I don't care where they are on their walk. That's a great way to get them in and expose them to Jesus. If they're playing an instrument, you know, that's different than like the worship leader. The worship leader's job is to engage both the band and the congregation in worship to God. He better be a believer. Right. But the instrument players, some of the people I know who – I know several people who come to Christ through playing in a church setting. But then there comes a point where if they keep coming and there's been no change or they're not even like – they don't even appear to be seeking, that it's just a gig for them. At some point you have to kind of say, you know what, maybe this isn't, you know, the right thing. No. And it's hard. There's no like, is it 12 months? Is it three weeks? Well, right. Yeah, it seems like you just need to, I don't know, to have a – I don't want to say a program, but a thought in place, you know, that you treat – like the worship band maybe as a – you know, the leader just has to keep an eye on where their people are at. You know, and if you have someone that – you know, you invited them to church and they

said, well, I play an instrument. You thought, great, you know, would you like to come play in the worship band? They say, yeah. Yeah, and then they show up once a month or so, you know, just when they play and then they leave and they do this for a year, it's time to sit down and have a talk with them. How are you and Jesus doing? You know, because like the worship band is – the guys in the worship band, I see them the same as the guys handing out communion. You know, half – almost half of your service is spent looking at these fellas, you know, and you look at the guy playing guitar and go, well, maybe I'll go talk to him. And if he has no clue about anything about Jesus, that is not a good way to start off someone's experience with Christ. That's why we have donuts. The band leaves and they go back and get donuts. That keeps them out of the – We get them out of there. Why don't you go back and have a snack, all right? That'd be great. They're the ones making loud noise in the hall whenever else the sermon's starting. But you look at – you know, if there's a nonbeliever in a sinful situation, the guy's living with his girlfriend, the girl's living with his boyfriend, whatever, and they're coming and they're on playing guitar or something, I'm more lenient toward that than, say, someone who is a dedicated believer and then says, hey, you know what, gosh, I'm going to jump

in and do this same living relationship. It's like, well, they know better. Right. You know, that's in rebellion-type lifestyle as opposed to the person who doesn't know any better. And what do you expect out of someone who doesn't believe? True. And I think that's definitely the perspective for us to have, right, is if they don't know Jesus, you might as well just throw all your holy standards out the window here. They need to know Jesus first. Yeah. No matter what, they need to know Jesus first. Yeah. And if they've been given that opportunity to know Christ and have had good biblical teaching that they've heard and they still choose not to, I think then you have to evaluate their service. Yeah, yeah. I mean, you can't – Because what are they serving? Well, that's the thing. You know, there's only two people to serve, right? You're either serving God or you're serving Satan. And maybe you're serving your ego or like, I'm getting my volunteer time in.

Yeah. You're with us or you're against us, right? Yeah. And if you're not with Jesus, who's the other guy? You know, you don't need that. Even within, you know, whatever ministry. We have cafe ministry. We have a lot of children's ministries. Are you doing that to serve your king because he's your Lord and he's your God? You're like, here's a way I can give back to God, serve God, and serve people at the same time. Or are you doing it because, well, that's just what I was taught to do. You know, there's no heart connection. There's no emotional or mental. You're just doing it because. That's not really a good reason either. You know, it really should be a Jesus thing. I'm doing it for Jesus. Or like I say, I'm doing it for people. Right. In combination. And that's a hard thing to evaluate. I think so.

I think it's very tough. Well, it's tough and it's not, right? It's tough because people are involved. But it shouldn't be as tough if you don't put fear of man issues at the top of your checklist. Yeah. If you're not afraid of everybody, of hurting their feelings or not, I mean, not in an intentional way. But, you know, if your number one concern is not to make a friend but to get somebody to Jesus, those conversations aren't as hard. And that's it. If your goal is to help them move forward, it's not to judge them and pound them back. And that should come through in your conversation and your tone of voice and everything when you're sitting down. Because that's huge. If you're just trying to look good or, boy, you embarrassed me because of what you did last night. Now you're on my stage. That makes me look bad. You know? Yeah. Yeah, that's most certainly. You're serving your own ego as well.

Right. We need to talk about your leadership, friend. We might have to get rid of you. You know, and I suppose if you approach that in the right fashion and the reaction that someone has is not a good reaction to that. Like, if you're reaching out to them in a friendly, supportive way and, you know, you're six, eight months into a relationship and they kind of rebuff that. I mean, to a certain extent, that does become on them. You have a responsibility to engage in that relationship. Because I think, back to something I think Mike was talking about, was people are afraid to have that conversation. But I think, to a certain extent, people are even afraid to identify themselves as the person that should be having that conversation. Because you can look at somebody and someone has to be the person that enters their life with it. Someone has to be the person that asks the question. And even if you think, it may be easy to identify a person and say, you know what? Someone probably should be asking the question to that guy. But being the person that identifies, like, I'm it. I'm the person that should be doing this. I'm in the best position to reach out to this person and talk with them. And even doing that sometimes is the barrier. And I think it's because there's afraid of a certain rejection.

Like, if I push this too hard or too fast or whatever, you might lose them. But I mean, on the other side of it, if you never breach that, sometimes I think people who are in that situation, take it in a worship band or in a serving capacity, who are not necessarily up front. They might go a year, a year and a half, and they get under the impression that, well, I must be fine. This must be what it looks like to serve Christ because, I mean, no one's saying anything to me. I'm showing up. I'm playing the tunes. I say the same words as everybody else. You know, we're pretty good. I soak it in. I play. I'm a pretty good guy. You know what I'm saying? Like, if you never get to the depth of that kind of relationship, because, I mean, really, breakthroughs for Christ are either happen because Jesus beat you over the head or there's some sort of close connection there. People do hear a sermon and get changed like that, but I really think it's a lot less often than people are in close relationships with people and they start to recognize what they look like next to a guy that has Christ in his life, and they start to look at that and say, you know what?

I want that. And I think that's way more likely, but if you can't just, I think it's okay to use things, service opportunities as the cobweb, but someone needs to follow up. And make sure that, like, it's not just, well, okay, he's in, and then he, the guy just thinks his life is just living back and forth and dancing in the cobweb. And if you look at it from the kingdom perspective, it maybe seems scary, like, when you go to talk to this person, but really, if it's a, well, if it makes a difference in their actions or their relationship with Christ, the person you're talking to, then it'll be worth a whole lot more than a couple fears, scary thoughts about approaching someone. But you've got to assume those fears exist, like, reasonably, like, it's, and reasonably because it really could go poorly. Yeah. Like, and, and, and it has gone poorly at some point for someone. Yeah, but it's assuming that you haven't had that, that you've given, you've given enough time for, uh, like they've, they've heard God preach. They've heard, they've heard the Bible preach. They've heard what Jesus is about. And, and, and if the time has come and passed that you're obviously not going to have that conversation until that's happened. It's not like you give them 10 minutes after they walk in the door, they, they strummed one chord and you go, repent. Hey, you. I want to know what you're doing and why, you know, I mean, I, you know, you can't, I'm

sure you can't put a time limit on it, but you know, it's really a gut feeling thing. Well, what a, what better thing to take to God in prayer? What better thing to talk to Jesus about is, is look, I've, I've been thinking a lot about this dude lately. I'll help me to know what to do here. You know, does he need, should I, do I need to step in and say, where are you at with Jesus or just keep on letting him float? Cause we're talking about someone's eternal soul. You know, we're not talking about like the show or, or the slick or, or what, what's cool. It's like, it's an eternal soul. Slick. Slick. He's a slick guitar player or something. We need that. You know, it's like, well, yeah, we do, but we really want him in heaven with her or whatever, you know, in heaven with us. And sometimes we miss that in the church. We get so driven because we have this certain program. We want to fill all the slots and we put people in, whether they're ready or not, whether they're really servants of Christ or not. I don't know. That's a big, I brought up the worship team cause that's, that's a fairly heated debate.

I used to be on some worship, you know, I don't know, email groups, whatever. And that was always coming up. People were fighting on either side of it. And, um, I can go either way on it, frankly. Like I'll, I'll, I'll, you know, I was reading stuff on it, uh, there a couple of nights ago and I'd read it and the guy'd be like, yeah, they got to know Christ. They're, they're representing, uh, they're, they're basically leadership. They're, they're, they're helping people to worship the old man, you know, the almighty, uh, you know, we need to have our worship be set up. And I'm like, yeah, we're, we're approaching God. It's a, we, we, we don't worship much throughout the week. Yes. And then the next guy would go, but they need to know Jesus. They don't know Jesus and they play guitar. It's the only way to get them to the door. Do you want to tell them? No. I'm like, well, of course not. You know, you got to let them in the door. I mean, you know, honestly, it's terrible. And then I thought, I don't know anything about anything. Like I can't, I couldn't make up my mind. If you paid me $3,000 right now, I wouldn't, I still wouldn't set my mind on they're in,

they're out. I just, I don't know. It's a little bit of both. It's just the weird timing that you just don't know. It's just, I think, I think you just have to make sure that you're not, that you're, you're not placating to a fear of not making a friend and you're not letting the importance of their, of their salvation slip through because you don't want to anger them or you really need a guitar player. Yeah, you know, I guess generally speaking, this kind of goes back to what we were talking about with Corinth 13, right? I mean, if that's a guy that's in prayer, he knows where God's going. And so if you're approaching things in a prayerful manner and your heart's in the right place and your head's in the right place in a God place, you know, I don't think it can go wrong. Now, it may not go what you, how you expect it to, but that may not actually be wrong either. You know, because I could see a circumstance where you kind of approach somebody you've been talking to, you know, who's been associated with the ministry for a while and you kind of have that little chat with them and like, and they become distant and they're like, how dare you? Yeah. And then, you know, two days later, they're like, man, I, to, to see what kind of jerk they were to the, to you, you know, like they'll, I think they'll recognize it. Sometimes it's, it's even just to provide a mirror. Sometimes people need to, to see themselves.

Like one of the, this is one of the things that the world, um, our current society very much lacks is an appropriate mirror. People, people do not recognize themselves at all. Um, there was a guy, somebody at work was telling a story about a guy that he's just a total jerk ball. I mean, I can't imagine this guy, his wife is on a boat or something and he's out there like whistling at ladies and stuff. And, and, and, and the thing is, is, is, is I don't care whether you're a, a Christ follower or not. Like that guy's a jerk. He's a jerk. And, and there's no way that like, I can't imagine he, he would watch some guy on TV, you know, mustache, beard, hand, uh, ladies, every like, I don't think it, it doesn't sound like any regard for what these ladies were about either. It's just, and like, there's no mirror. If you saw somebody else doing that, you're like, that guy looks pathetic and jerkish. Right. But, but he very much looks that way. And without a mirror, he does not recognize himself. And I think we, we lack for mirror prayer is a good mirror. Prayer is where am I at? And you start to see yourself for what you are, uh, and what you need, uh, in the grace of Jesus Christ.

But short of that, people very much fail to have a mirror. And I think sometimes situations like that bring up the opportunity for people to actually get a good look at themselves and recognize that even what they have been doing, where they felt like, okay, I must be all right. Nobody's saying anything to me. I feel like my relationship with Christ is okay. I don't know what it's supposed to feel like, but I think it's okay. If they see that situation and then see themselves react to it, sometimes it's even an effective mirror for them to go, you know what? I'm not in the right spot. And it took that for, for me to know that. Yeah. I've had, I've had, I've had some very, there's nothing I appreciate more than someone calling, basically calling, calling me to accountability for things that I have otherwise ignored. Like I can probably, I know my wife has done it to me a couple of times where, where I've, I've said something and then she said, well, that's not that, you know, that's not, that's not Jesus. That's not Jesus what you're saying. And I go, ah, and then I think about it. And like three hours later, I have to, I have to apologize because she's absolutely right. What I was saying was ridiculous. Ben's done this to me on multiple occasions where, and, and I tell you, to be honest with you, like, I just, I like that accountability because if I'm truly seeking, you know, a walk towards

Jesus, I wouldn't have changed it on my own. I wouldn't have recognized it on my own, you know? And, and, and so, I mean, if I, I always think if they're, if they have a truly are seeking Christ, you're not going to hurt their feelings. They're either going to explain why you misunderstood or they're going to say, you're right. I need to flip this around. Or they're not truly seeking Christ. And then, and then what, you know what I'm saying? Like you've provided kind of an environment, an opportunity to be part of that. Some people, I mean, it's a biblical truth that some people will reject him. Right. You know, and maybe they were trying it out. Maybe it's not for them. And, you know, I suppose it's possible, but you don't, you don't not do it simply for the fact that you may fail, knowing that generally speaking, we're, we're going to fail. Like there are people that will not make it. And there's people that are going to think less of you for it, for even giving it a shot. Yeah. Yeah. Whatever. They'll call you judgmental. Right. Defensive.

Exactly. Yeah. Now the flip side, the other side of what we're talking about, the whole servant thing in the church, and I think the church is equally failed in this area traditionally, it is, you might have really godly, wonderful, terrific, spiritual people who are unskilled serving in the wrong areas, you know, and so, you know, you have a greeter who's grumpy, you know, you have a singer who's off key, you have a preacher who can't preach. I mean, you know, you can go down the list, but they think they, they're great at it. Right. And, you know, and at some point there has to be some responsibility in the leadership to say appointing people to the best places of service where they're really gifted for. That's really hard though, isn't it? Oh, it is. It's really hard when you say, let's say you find a gal that just like sings like the Dickens. I mean, but she's terrible. She loves it though. And she'll, she'll look you straight in the eye and say, I, you know, God has put me on this worship team. I've known them. I've known them. God has always put me here and you're like, no, he hasn't. Oh, people are so nice. They tell me.

Yeah. That's different than a kingdom thing. That's like, I would take that as a personal attack on me because it's not about your walk. It's yeah. It's you are not good enough. You're distracting worship for other people. That would be harder. I think. You sound like someone has thrown gravel inside of a cockroach. I mean, it's terrible. That's not personal. You're a very good singer. So Mike has prepared things to say in case it comes up. Here's the thing. I have a hard time with this one. A very hard time with this because I, I'm, I'm extreme one direction. I'm, I'm extreme and I know this about me and I try to curtail it, but I'm extreme on truth like, like, and, and not nice truth, you know? And I, and sometimes I have to watch it cause there's, there's truth is always good, but your delivery has to, you can curtail the delivery. So it's not harmful. Yeah. And my delivery is harmful.

And so I have to watch this, you know, but I have, I find, I have such a hard time with, with placating someone's feelings. Right. Well, what that's doing, it's lowering the quality of the product, whatever the product is, whether it's the church service, the greetings, you know, whatever it is that ministry is and hindering some people from coming to Christ. Just to come in and say, if you're that sloppy, you know, really, you know, I mean, it's something that, that, uh, uh, you have to always be watchful, uh, continually be evaluating. I mean, it's hard to, cause you have a volunteer labor force, right? Almost everyone has just volunteered their own time. And you're like, we don't even want your free time. Well, you even look in the old Testament, you know, when, when they called for the singers and God said, I want so many singers. He didn't say, oh, anybody who wants to just come on and step forward. If you feel like singing, he said, I want you to select the skilled singers to do the singing. I want you to select the skilled, you know, stones, man, whatever the jobs were. When they were building the, where they're building the temple. In fact, he pointed out the guy saying, give me this dude. These are the two guys I want in charge of this thing. And in the church, we go, all right, who wants to be in the choir, you know, or. I love to sing. Who wants to be on the green team?

I hate people. Oh, they'll do it, you know. I guess if there's something to fill, no one else will do it. They're lazy. So then how do you approach them? What do you, how do you, cause in the other, the other instance, you can say. Yeah, be careful. Yeah, you don't want to crush them. Yeah, you're coming at, you can have a different mindset that makes you more comfortable than this. I think it helps, like, to, to have something else in mind. You got to know them well enough to know that, that if you know, they're not gifted in one area, hopefully, you know, they're gifted somewhere else. And, and, you know, maybe you can say, wow, you know, we really have a need in the cafe area. And we need someone who's just a friendly person who, who has watched Beauty and the Beast a hundred times and knows the Be Our Guest song and can sing it in their head and, and can just treat people like, you know, the greatest people in the world. And, and we have a lot of people who want to sing. Do you think you could, would you mind helping us out over here? And, and I think that's a win-win for everybody. I tell you, you're the guy that is, that is in their head going, I'm being demoted to cafe. I hate cafe. It's more, it's more touching people and, and, and actually face to face rather than just being on the big stage with the lighting lights and the loud music. How would you, how would you do it, Danielle? How would you do it? Oh my goodness, I have no idea. You don't think you could do it all?

Do you have a fear of, are you afraid of people? Not necessarily. Are you afraid of hurting their feelings? Like, it depends, it depends on the person, maybe in the situation. If they're being stupid, yeah, if they're being stupid, I'll be like, stop being stupid. What if they're not causing a ruckus? Like they're in there, you know, ripping chairs. Not an, not an eight man. Turn the curtains down. I want to be on the worship team. I mean, let's, let's get rid of the fact that it's some kind of renegade. You're supposed to do a positive, a negative, a positive. So you're like, you have a great attitude and a great servant, attitude of service, but I think you could use it in this area better. Yeah. You have a great voice, not for singing, for greeting people. Yes. There you go. Let me reiterate. No singing. Yes. Talking. Maybe give them an opportunity for singing in different places, like the nursery home

or nursing home. You could go sing to old people. They can't hear anyway. They'll like it. Both people, they could head up that ministry. But that's, that's a true thing. They can exercise their dream, their desire. Just in a different setting, different way. In the children's area. There you go. Yeah. Yeah. That's how I would approach it. Here's the deal. I, I, I work in the corporate environment of the compliment sandwich and I've left the room on multiple occasions when I can see one coming. They say one thing and I say, I'm a toast man. I'm leaving. And then I'm out the door. I don't like to be placated because they had, here's the deal. They had to contrive that. They knew, they started with the innards, the thing that they don't want to say. And then they have to contrive.

Well, what good thing can I say about them? That's, that's what goes on. Yeah. Yeah. Here's the, here's the junk thing. Let me find some bread to go around it. I agree. It's easier just to come out with it. Well, I'm going to need you. It goes back to knowing who you're talking to though. Yeah. I mean, like someone like you, you could say, Mike, seriously, comb your hair. I'm going to need you to comb your hair. You look homeless. But someone else that would, that would crush them and they would leave the church. That's true. The top of your head looks like an armpit. Stupid air and extra dry. Goes on clear. Apparently not. You know, years ago there, there was a gal who, who loved to sing. I mean, she sang loud. It was a smaller church setting.

So she sang loud enough that, that most people could hear her. And she sang what she thought was harmony, but it was just really off tune, awful. I mean, hurt your ears singing. And she often, you know, wanted to get, get a microphone and get up on stage and, and do it too. Cause she could sing harmony with the worship team, you know? And, uh, we probably allowed that to happen too long and we probably started out a little wimpy, you know, just telling the sound dude, Hey, how do you go ahead and turn that microphone like off and let her hear it in the monitor? So she think, you know, that's, that's not really fair to her. And we had to kind of grow enough, uh, uh, cojones. Good luck there. I was going to say something different. Jesus, strength, hair, Samson strength. We need more Jesus here. To face the person. And, and I think in that case, you know, we said, Hey, there's some, there's some, we really need help in the children's area or whatever the area was at the time. I can't remember. And, uh, the person kind of went and, but they still to this day probably think they're a great singer. You know, it's hard to tell someone. You certainly did not do her any favors.

Well, this is the kind of person that, that, uh, you can, you can blow lightly and it would crush them. You say, Hey, we need help in the children's area. And B, we need you to stop singing in here. You're a disaster. I mean, honestly, there would be people who would not sit near her in church because that's the concern, right? Though is when people leave the building and they're driving home or heading to the Perkins, they go, boy, Betty is awful. Yeah. They missed the entire message because they couldn't get past Betty. Yeah. But here's the thing is that the question is, is how much do you cater to some people that are, they're acting childish to people will be distracted by anything. You know what I'm saying? Like they might pass the donut table and go, you know what, there weren't any long johns there. What kind of, what kind of church doesn't have any long johns? And it was a, you know, it's a, I love long johns. They know that about me. And so what they write in the comment card and we say, man, we got to double up on the long johns. Otherwise, you know, the Talbot family is not coming back to, to, to what extent do you

cater to people who are being childish? Cause, cause here's the thing is I could go to any church, uh, any Bible preaching church, right? And I can enjoy the service. I can enjoy the tunes. I can enjoy the message. Even if it's, I might even think in my head, boy, something's going wrong up there, but I can get something out of it because my heart is there for God's stuff. Right. Right. To a certain extent, uh, I might make comment on, man, I'm already long johns there, but like, I don't, I don't dwell on it for a long time, but the guy that's dwelling on it, how much, how much effort do you really put in to cater to the person who, who's distracted by the long john? Well, he's just there to get something out of it for himself, like just for, to please him. Well, but, but he could, how is he not the same guy that, that plays guitar in the worship band that's hanging around that you say, well, if we can just get some long johns here, Talbot will keep showing up for another six months and maybe we'll get them. Right. If we just leave them in the worship band for a while, maybe they'll come around. I agree. He sounds more childish than the guitar player.

I get that. But like, they're kind of the same guy. Well, that's when you need like, like small groups and life transformation groups, whatever for accountability. They said, I don't want to go to that small group. I'm not ready yet. I'm still seeking Jesus. Does anybody ever talk to Talbot? Let me play guitar. Do you send anybody to talk to him? Get him a friend. Cause that's true. Cause maybe he, cause especially if he's dancing, you know, in and out, he's probably not joining a small group. He's probably not doing an LTG. Uh, I mean, but I guess if you're doing a job right, someone keeps trying to sit next to Talbot, uh, someone tries to engage him about his, uh, long john cut. Cause at least you have a discussion point. Hey, Talbot, man, we doubled up on the long john. You know, that's a really good question. Do you, do, do people in your congregation or do people at your church know what, what Jesus expects out of them? Do they know that?

Like, like, they know what Jesus did for them, but do they know what Jesus expects in return? Are they, are you saying like, especially from a Sunday morning perspective, are they sponges? Like, I mean, I'm here to soak it up, not, not pass it on. Yes. Like, right. Like it's not as self-serving as I'm making it sound right. But, but like you want them to get the message of salvation that Jesus died for, for a sinful world and you're in it and he loves you in particular. He knows you. He took your sin away. That you want them to get that part. Their next step is to find out, okay, what is, what does God expect for me, from me as part of this deal? You know, as, as a path to Christ, what does the path, what does that even mean? What does life from the path mean? What, what do you mean path? What path? You know, what is, what are you supposed to be doing? What is life? What is, where is the long johns? I came here to, to understand life and long johns and we're missing one of them. How many did you see?

There isn't any long johns. I got a compliment sandwich. Get some long johns. What about the apple fritters? Did you write it on your card? Maybe. Now don't put your full name on there. Maybe they'll think it's two different families. They're having problems. And they'll get some long johns in here. Have the kids fill one out. How old's that one? Is that one right? What's your name? By the way, because we missed it. Here's a, here's a little taste of the, of the corner of 13. This is called the hustler's prayer. Hustlers? Hustlers. Dan, can you not white yourself up in here so badly? Hustlers. Hustlers. H-U-S-T-L-A-Z.

Hustlers. I knew that. I thought there could be people on the air right now who are like, what are you, what's that? Now I really appreciate your effort to try and pronounce this word. So this is, uh, this is a corner of the 13. Uh, he's going to be at the, uh, he's going to be at the truth talk stage on, uh, on Saturday. He's also playing. You're missing Dan. I listened to this earlier in the week. I, it, this is all right. Now, can you get this off the website? Get a, uh, uh, no, it's on a new CD though. This is all right. It's, I thought it was pretty good. So anyway, I just want to give you a little taste of it. He's, uh, so, uh, that's who we talked to early in the broadcast. He's going to be at the, uh, Spirit Midwest Festival on Friday night. He's going to play the hard rock stage and then he'll be there Saturday at the truth talk stage following live from the path. Definitely check that out. We should have breakfast with him Saturday morning. We'll be out there.

I, I, I bet he's staying in the artist cabin. There's an artist cabin. I bet he likes long dogs. Let's, let's get some. It's funny they didn't, didn't mention to me there was an artist cabin. Uh, we're sleeping on what's known as the stage we're bringing with us. Yeah. Yeah. All right. We're sleeping next to the equipment. The awesome thing is there's like a spilled coffee on there, so it'll smell good. Sweet. I want to put a donut's long johns. There better be a good Christian walking guy to clean that up. Is that, uh, we'll talk about there. Yeah. Can you turn that back on? Hustles need bread. Is that over? I like it. That was kind of creepy. I want to play the interspin. What is it?

It's like a boo-boo-zela. It's an electronic boo-boo-zela. It's way cool. What? Nothing. Dan, you're not allowed to meet the court thief. You notice I didn't ask any questions? I'm going, I'm way too white for this. You're supposed to come up with one. Actually, like, that's the thing. I don't know if you've ever heard anybody that's definitely out of their league try to act like they're like the guy that they're talking to. I get it all the time. Yeah. Like, he can get away with going, uh, I don't know what he said, but it was very street. He could say stuff like, uh, like, hey, brother, you know, thanks, blah, blah, blah, blah. And you're like, hello, brother. Thanks for joining our program. And shall we take our next call, please? Welcome to Life in the Path. We went to D.C., you know, on this trip a few weeks ago. And, uh, with National History Day and all this stuff. And we were with these friends. And, uh, one of the things the kids were all, were saying this is, uh, what air?

What air? What air? What air? Okay. Like, whatever. Like, whatever. Whatever. What air? Okay. Well, one of the parents was from India. Okay. Born and raised there. And so she was trying to, you know, be kind of cool. She was being silly. Yeah. She was just, it was like, she was kind of loosening up and being, being one of them. Yeah. What air? What air? We were like, oh, I love you. My grandma, when we were little, I think we were 10 or 12. And, you know, the big thing, the cool thing in the 80s was to go, hey, man, you want to go to the store?

Not. Oh, yeah. You know? And she couldn't do it right. So she'd go, hey, you want to go get some? Because she didn't like that I wore t-shirts that were way too big for me. Oh, yeah. And she goes, she goes, hey, you want to go buy some clothes that fit you? No. And I said, does that mean we're going? No, we're not going. Is that a Norwegian thing? She was terrible. I like that better. Hey, hustlers need prayer too. We should just get off the air and just let that one roll. That's hip. I kept my mouth shut on purpose. Dan, it's time to reach out to people. I probably should. You know what? The thing is, people are. Can't be in the suburbs your whole life.

People are reaching out to us. Really? Yeah. In the form of a letter that's been written to us. Oh. And it's entitled, Dear Life from the Path. Okay. Let me hear what they have. Outstanding. How can I help? Dear Life from the Path, what do you do when your husband doesn't like your best girlfriend? She keeps asking us to go out on double dates and vacations. Should I be honest and tell her he doesn't like her or continue to make excuses? It really gets on my nerves. Yeah. No. Yeah. I would tell her. Say, look, my husband doesn't dig on you. Yeah. I mean, it's not your thing. Yeah. Yeah.

I would. That's what you would do. You would completely throw your husband under the bus. You're not throwing him under the bus. He threw himself under the bus. He doesn't let you. You're just telling the truth. What if she's hard to get along with? What are you going to cover? This is your best friend we're talking about. You're going to cover for him for the and you're married for life. Right. That's 60 years of trying to act like they like each other. That seems dumb. Yeah. You don't have to stop being friends. You just say, you know what? Maybe we shouldn't do things as couples. Maybe we should have a girl time. We're not going to double date because Earl doesn't like you. Yeah. Yeah. I think he should just say something.

Why? Hey. He's put his wife in a bad position. I want you to go talk to Gail and tell her that you don't like her. Why would you do that? I'd say, no problem. Gail, we don't get along. I mean, or just compromise and say, hey, here's the deal. Sometimes you just go and like it and other times we'll find excuse. Why would you want to be in that situation to go somewhere where you obviously don't like it? You're lame to be around. I'm just saying if it's like her best friend. Look at the situation you're putting this guy in though, right? Like this is a married couple and she wants to go out on double dates and vacations with every Tom that she starts to date. She's not a married gal. Oh, she's not married. So she wants to be hanging. Maybe the guy is not so much against her. He just don't like the dudes. Maybe she's bringing creepy dudes around all the time. That could be. He's not unreasonable. But part of the husband's service and love for his wife would be making sure her best friend's relationship stays strong.

So he might have to just suck it up once in a while and not enjoy something for her benefit. But he doesn't have to pretend like, you know. He doesn't have to be buddy-buddy. Yeah, he doesn't have to go out like he's the third lady. Yeah. Or I would just say, hey, why don't you guys go on a little trip, have some fun, and I'll go on a guy trip. Why don't you stay home and clean the place while your lady's out? Oh, absolutely not. We'll hire that out. If we can afford two vacations. We can certainly afford a maid. It's in the budget. So where are we at on this? The lady should suck it up and say, look, John does not like you, and that's why we're not double dating. It depends how it's coming up. If it's coming up over and over again and she's like, why doesn't he ever want to go out with us? I would say, look. Be honest. Maybe be as specific as possible, though. If it's because, say, look, he really doesn't like meeting these guys. He doesn't like to go on dates with you. It's awkward for him. He likes long Johns.

Yeah, yeah. Hustlers need prayer, too. You want to hear what Abby says? Yes. Abby says, when someone continually makes suggestions about getting together socially, even when those suggestions are constantly deflected, it's time to level. The next time it happens, tell her that it isn't going to happen. You don't have to tell her your husband doesn't like her. Say he isn't comfortable double dating or taking vacations. That'd be a lie. No. I wouldn't say that. She's going to come talk to him. Yeah. Hey. How can I make this more comfortable for you? Yeah. What can I do? Boo. What if I bring you a casserole? Just tell her that you would like to keep things just as they are, ladies only. Oh. Yeah. Next question.

Last one. Dear Live from the Path, my daughter watches TV sitcoms along with her precocious four-year-old son, who's being exposed to many adult themes, terms, and politically incorrect infractions. Oh, I like it already. She doesn't see the harm. Do you? Live from the Path. Do you see the harm? What was the… I missed the first sentence of the question. There's obviously a mother who has a daughter with a child. Oh, okay. So, Grandma. Grandma. And her daughter is allowing the four-year-old to watch probably just about any sitcom that's on between six and ten. That is a problem. Is it an issue? Yeah. Four years old? That stuff's pretty adult. Yeah. And they'll repeat things.

They might not know what it means, but they'll repeat things. And then they just don't have that innocence. Why would you want to… Why, at four years old, would you want to expose them to the world like that? In case you just sit them next to you, put your arm around them, and every time something happens, you go, that's not Jesus. No? No, that's not Jesus. They shouldn't even have to worry about that yet. No, that's definitely not Jesus. That's funny. Especially at four years old. They're only four. I think I'm going to have to actually agree with that. I think you better just watch Phineas and Ferb with the kids. If you're going to let them watch some TV, why don't you sit down and watch TV with them? Yeah. Watch something that they can watch, and that's okay. We dramatically changed our television watching habits when children… I mean, you wouldn't believe how much Barney we watched. Shanna. You know Ben actually played Barney at a gas station grand opening one time? I sure did.

And they opened the Casey's on the far side of Altoona, and I was the Barney there. I love you. You love me. I showed up and pulled on his tail. Holy boys and girls. I didn't get to talk, did you? Yeah. I think it comes along with parenthood, right? Like, it's time to put your childish ways behind you, and if, you know, either teach them how to play Monopoly, or watch Sesame Street with them or something. Teach them how to play Monopoly. That's the way to do it. I was playing Monopoly when I was four. That's true. My grandpa didn't know how to relate to us on a cartoon-to-cartoon level, so he taught us how to play Monopoly. Yeah. And we played it for 20 years. Huh. Yeah. Until he passed away. He's still alive. Oh, man.

I should go visit him. Oh, my goodness. I have to schedule some time to go see him. Grandpa's gone to free parking. I need to get all my money back. All right. You've been listening to Live from the Path. You can catch us during the week at livefromthepath.org. Please go check it out. Sign up for the podcast. Sign up for the newsletter. Nobody's signed up for the newsletter. No one does. No. I don't send one out. Whatever. Yeah, I was going to say, I don't think I've gotten one for a long time. It's a waste. Oh. Apparently. That's what I said. We have a lot of band news to get through out there now. We do.

I'll probably throw one out to remind some folks of the broadcast. So, again, we're broadcasting from the Spirit Midwest Music Festival. August 5th and 6th. We'll be there both days. Full-on broadcasting. I will be wearing a kilt. Mike will be wearing a top hat. Dan will be wearing an A shirt. A. Where do we sign up for that newsletter? On livefromthepath.org. Livefromthepath.org. Yep. Oh, nice. Then click the newsletter. Sign me up. Can we somehow connect that to our Live from the Path Facebook page? It is. You can click it and get to the Facebook page. You will like it. Do it like the newsletter? You mean from the Facebook page? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Either way. We can set it up there. Sure. So people can check out the Facebook page and like it and interact with. We ought to have like a band interaction day on Live from the Path. Can we do that? Chat? Do a live chat? I guess we could talk about that off the air. We're live chatting. I know, but like, yeah, never mind. You know, we should set something up where if you like Live from the Path on Facebook, you get something free. We could give away those Light Switch. Light Switch brought us to buy some CDs. Yeah, they did. I listened to it actually this week. It's good. Yeah. It is pretty good. I'm excited for their new CD coming out. Cool. So anyway, make sure you clear your schedule.

Make sure you come out for that. We're going to roll into a second. Speaking of Light Switch, we're going to roll into the second hour here. We're going to be able to check out the performances from Light Switch who were in our studios last Friday. And I hope you are enjoying Live from the Path. And I know it doesn't sound like it, but you are listening to Live from the Path. That's me in my hotel. That is not you in your hotel. Yeah, I play a rock and flute. Look at me. My eyebrows are going crazy. I'm kind of mad. Yeah. Take that, self. That was impressive. Yeah. All right. Welcome back to Live from the Path. I appreciate you. I paid $8 for hotel water, and I was so bad that I wrote that song. You know, why do people do that in a hotel? Why do people always take a video of themselves?

You could have done that at home. But that's quite obviously like the… They can't identify you there. Except for your faces. The most identifiable portion of your person. He didn't think of that. Apparently not. All right. Well, anyway, welcome back to Live from the Path. I'm glad you're still here. Thanks for hanging out. I hope you enjoyed the interviews we've had so far. We've spoken with Jeremy Willett from Willett, and you can catch more from them at willettonline.com. Also, the Corinth D13. Both artists will be at the Spirit Midwest Music Festival. And if I haven't said enough, get off the calendar right now. Put some X's on it. You need to go. Definitely. You need to go. There's going to be some excellent food there. The music is going to be awesome. Do you know who's going to be there?

Who's that? Light Switch is going to be there. No way. Light Switch? Yeah. You don't say. Yeah. You know what? It's most of the reason that I'm going. Apart from that you fellas are going to be there. That's the word around, yeah. Well, you know, it's weird that you brought that up because it just so happens that Light Switch is in the studio with us right now. Hey, fellas. Where did they come from? Either that was clever or they teleport. It's one or the other. We've always been a high-class organization, and it does not stop today. All right. Well, Light Switch, welcome to Live from the Path. Thanks for coming in. Thank you. Very cool. Well, we've got a lot to talk about with you guys, and they're going to be performing with us, playing some songs.

They are also going to be at the Spirit Midwest Music Festival. I mean, definitely make some time. This is going to be a fun weekend. There's going to be a lot of cool acts out there. We're going to be broadcasting live from there for both days, so I'm really excited for the show. So definitely make some time, and you can catch Light Switch while you're out there. So maybe if somebody can tell me a little bit about your band, like how you guys got started and where the name came from. Well, I'll start out with our name. Basically, it's basically based off Romans 13, 12, which says the night is nearly over. The day is almost here. Let us cast off the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light. And basically what we like to do is encourage people in their walk with God and encourage them to switch from darkness to light in a spiritual sense and shine their light. So that's kind of the gist of Light Switch. Cool. That's pretty cool. So how long have you guys been together? All our lives. Only because we're brothers. Oh, right. But actually, yeah. Come on, man. How about as a group? Does that help?

It's been over five years, but 2005 is really when we really started focusing more and touring a lot more. Very cool. So you guys are actually in between dates at the moment, right? You're coming from Detroit, and you're on your way to Kearney, right? Yep. What's going on in Kearney? There's a festival down there called Praise Fest we're going to be playing at. And so we've never been there before, but it's… How did you end up in Detroit? Did your booking agent make a mistake, or what happened? We love Detroit. No, actually, we were at a TV show on the TCT network. Yeah. Total Christian Television. And so we were doing an interview. Well, it's kind of just guests on the show, I guess. Yeah, kind of like an in-house. Sure. Did you get a do-play-the-games, like the ping-pong ball in the bucket? No. It wasn't one of those kind of deals? No. Isn't that?

Yeah. Thank you. Oh, that's hilarious. I didn't even know. No, we played two songs at Blue. Play here? Yeah, yeah. I see. I like your style. If you want it, if you want us to. Very cool. Wait, so did we figure out what's going on in Kearney? Yeah, it was a fest, a praise fest. Praise fest. Oh, sweet. Music's going on. Music. Tunes. They're a band. I've been under the weather. No one invited us. I've been not feeling it. To a praise fest?

Exactly. You guys are cordially invited. See? I like them. All right. We're here. Do you have room in your van? Actually, no. On top of our van? I travel with a small cat. Is that going to be all right? No, it's out. Okay. We'll take Dan's car. That was a universal… Ooh. We've toured with a pet before, and we've come to a… It wasn't a cat, but it was a dog the size of a cat. Right. Man's are poor, and they need food. Yeah. No. So you ate the dog?

Yeah. Oh, man. It was good while it lasted. I told you, stay out of Detroit. That's what happens. Hey, speaking of dogs, though, I was driving down the interstate today. Are you laughing at my voice? I'm sorry about that. I've tried not to speak too loud. The last time I… If I speak too loud, my voice will crack. And the last time that happened in front of a group of this size, I wet myself and spent the rest of the eighth grade in a small room. So, um… So, I… I'm sorry. I didn't have it. So, I passed the trailer today, and it said, inedible animal food. Like, was the listing on the trailer. Like, the semi was carrying inedible animal food, and I thought, doesn't that disqualify you from using the word food? Like, isn't food implicitly edible? Do you know, I worked…

I did some work at the trolley factory, the gummy bears factory, down there in Creston. Yeah. Their major seller of the leftover gummy bears are the dairy cows, because they make sweeter milk. So, they buy the cartons and cartons of leftover gummy, gummy parts, and then feed them to cows, so they pump out sweeter milk. Yeah. That was a cow. I know. They had big vats of leftover gummy parts, and I said, where do those go? Thinking I could get some free ones. That's not the case. They sell them to the farmers, and then the cows eat it. Then you got diabetic cows. Yeah. Yeah. So, if you ever get a drink of milk, and you're like, whiz bang, that's got some zip. It's because they've eaten gummy bears. I want to start a farm. I thought that sweet-ass Adolphus was just a clever marketing campaign. Boy, I like that. Well, I'll tell you what, I hate to derail this fun train, but maybe let's get to some tunes.

I'd like to hear something. What do you guys have for us? A song. We got a song called Holy. Did you guys write this one? Yep. Yep. You wrote it. Wrote it. It's kind of a worship song. Okay. It's going to be on our new album, and the album's called Holy Nile. And this is the acoustic version that we've never done acoustic. Sure. And we're going to do a verse in Spanish for him? Yes. Yes. We're doing both albums, Spanish and English. We're going worldwide. We're going to need this. You guys better decide which course you're going to do in Spanish. We'll do this. We'll do the course.

He's the one singing. Okay, good. We play both, like, all the chords. You don't have to play a Spanish G or a Spanish D. Right. Only the lyrics G. That ruins it. That means I know a Spanish G as well. Yes. That's right. We play this in Spanish. All right. We'll sing it in English. Should we do it in Spanish first? I'm excited. Just the course? I'm excited. It does create some suspense for the rest of the course, yeah. All right. So, you're listening to Live from the Path. This is Light Switch with Holy… Let's just start it. The Spanish version?

No, just the course. Just pick it. You decide. So, here we go. There's a reality in our country. And there's a future beyond our wildest dreams. There will come a day. Totally imagine. In there. Orcano. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know Spanish. So, it'd be basically… El Julio. You guys sure you're going to wake up as a backup singer? I have a lot of free time. A lot of free time. After that problem at the gummy bear factory. That was awesome. I really like… So, you guys don't normally play acoustic, right? You normally play…

No, this is… My instrument is a keyboard and… I'd say you're doing a bang-up job. I normally play the bass guitar. Yeah. Drums. I'll tell you what. That thing's got a nice boom to it. Yeah. Yeah, it does. I really enjoyed that. It's cool. Me too. Now, so, is that song you played there… Do you guys have any CDs out or…? That's our new song on our new CD that's going to… We're hoping to be out soon. Otherwise… We've had some production delays with it, but it's… We're expecting it to be out within the next couple of months. On the way. There's too much awesome in it. That's the problem.

Say, we can't ship this with all this awesome. We can't. Not for a normal CD price. And they can't charge $38 for a CD. Take out some of the awesome. So, that's a pretty cool song. I mean, how did that come about? You were like reading through Revelation, and you kind of hit it, or just a moment that you just kind of struck you, or…? Yeah. I thought about, you know, some verses in Revelations where it talks about all the angels and everyone just saying, holy, holy, holy is the Lamb. Yeah. But then I also thought of the verse where it talks about, you know, where every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. Yeah. And that's the unbeliever, too, whether they were a believer or not. So, it's… They will be in awe. We had that conversation when Osama bin Laden, when they captured Osama bin Laden. Right. Very much about just that exact fact. What?

You need to talk into a microphone. Oh, I can't. Anyway, we… Sorry. I'm new here. We're all friends here. I know you guys. I'm talking to the mic. We talked about that exactly when Osama bin Laden died. We talked about what that moment looks like, you know, for a guy like him. Like, it all boils down to Jesus. It all boils that you have an account for your ways and the way you acted in front of Jesus. And hopefully, you know, you can say that you put your faith in him and you let him guide you. And if you didn't, that's not a good meeting. It does not end well. It's like going into a meeting where you know you're going to get fired. Like, hey, Mike, we need to talk. And I say, but I've been a dedicated background singer for you for years, Light Switch. Why do we have to end this way? Exactly. And they say, you don't even know Spanish. Stop singing. But, yeah, that's very cool.

Very cool. So, you have a CD out and available for purchase? Yeah, our first CD is subtitled Light Switch. Which, it's available, I think, in a lot of places. Our website, our concerts, it will be available at Spirit Midwest Fest. Where you guys have your own table and everything? Or how does that work? I don't remember. Yeah, you guys get your own merch table, right? Yeah, we'll sell t-shirts and drumsticks. Oh, man, t-shirts. We'll be selling t-shirts. I'll probably give away some t-shirts. I can really use. Yeah, we'll probably throw some out to the people there. Throw them to me. Oh, no. Wait a minute. Are you saying you have a weak arm and can't get it past the first row? Or just the people that are excited and they're up front. We have a high-power t-shirt voucher, so we'll get one out to you. Awesome. We should shoot one out.

I'll be waiting the back, catching footage of it so we can broadcast it. Are you guys going to sign them? We charge extra for that. Yeah. I tell you what, if you buy a Light Switch CD, I will sign it for free. There you go. Just bring it over to the bus. Okay, I have a question about the writing process. Like, how do you guys, do you guys all contribute, or do you, like, what is your process? Go ahead, Mora. Yeah. Abe usually has been the one who has come up with the lyrics for most of our songs, but it seems like most of our songs will come out of a jam. We will be jamming. Somebody will start something and we all join and it becomes a jam. And then Abe will run and turn on, like, our studio recording equipment so we remember it. And then, usually after we just jam for a while, Abe will be inspired with some lyrics. And then, the birth of a song. Now, does it ever, like, take a really long time and you're sitting there jamming and you're like, come on, Abe. We've been playing for three and a half hours, man. Put the fire on it.

If you're writing songs, some songs just come to you and it just, it works out so good. And other songs, like, you get, like, one part and you just, like, have to fight and work real hard for the rest. Yeah. It's hit or miss. Sometimes you get the music and that comes good and you need a verse. It's, but this song, this song, uh, came pretty, pretty good. I think he did this song in one night. Yeah, I woke up. Yeah, this is one written. Some songs come really fast, some are over time and this is one of those. This is one of those that just came. Yeah. That's awesome. Feel free to use me as your muse. As your muse? Yeah. So, like, if you're having trouble writing a tongue, just, like, kind of sit and think about me. See, you thought because they took the microphone away from me that the jabs would end. My man picked it up. See, I've inspired creativity from them already. The output was excellent.

Uh-oh. That sound terrible. I'm just playing. Are we still welcome at the festival? Yeah, we're not in charge of anything at the festival. Actually, we're kind of freeloading our radio program on the whole thing. So, you're more than welcome to stay. All right. We love you. I'm going to loop that over and over and put it on my, put it on my phone and every time I'm feeling down, I'm just going to play, we love you, and then I'm going to insert my own name in there, Ben. Thanks, guys. You guys are great. Actually, you guys should create, you should get on the, like, get a mobile app, a light switch mobile app for the iPhone or the Android or whatever. And, like, just have, so they can type in their own name, and then it says, hey, this is light switch, and we love, and then, like, Ben. And then you could say it in Spanish. People would love it. Mi amore, Ben. I don't know Spanish. I tried to, here's, I'm generally like an A, B plus student.

I took Spanish in college, and I barely escaped out of there with a C. I am awful. No bueno. Yeah. Exactly. That's what I was going to say. Too well. I do, too, wear pants. All right. Wait a minute. Anyway, you've listened to Live from the Path. You can catch us during the week at livefromthepath.org. You can catch these fellas at lightswitchband.com. You can check out, there's a lot of photos out there if you want to ogle the fellas. They're pretty sharp looking. Dan, can you not make that noise? That was kind of crazy. That was the humble, oh, come on. It came off more as a, oh. Ooh, the creepy old guy. Can I get that in an 8×10? Where are these photos found? So anyway, you can go out to their website.

You can catch information about their upcoming tour. I'm going to ignore what he just said there. Hear much about their upcoming tour. Also, can you buy your CD out there? Yeah, there's a link for your merchandise. Right? Out on, yeah. So that's lightswitchband.com. You can check them out there. Also, at Spirit Midwest, they're going to be playing, I think, on the main stage. And they'll be at 635 on Friday. They're going to be out on the main stage. So get out there early. It's dinner time. You can eat there. There will be food there. Quit sweating about the food. You can eat there. It's good food. As I recall, last year was really good. I enjoyed it. We actually need, so we talked about, we're going to be broadcasting from there. Both days.

And so, to fill time, we need to send somebody to the various food booths and give us a report. Can you guys do that? Would you guys be willing to go to some of the food booths and report back to us? As long as there's no unedible food. Unedible dog food. Unedible dog food. Gummy bear pieces. This is on your own dime, though, right? We're not sponsoring it. What? You have to buy the food. You could probably trade a shirt. They're laughing like we're joking. Is that a no? We're going to bring our own gummy bears. How about we wash dishes for food? We'll work for food. All right. Well, I'll tell you what. I don't know. Mike, what do you think? Do you want to do a new tune or do you want to play games? Let's fire up a tune and then we'll do secular fall.

Okay. All right. So, you guys have another tune. It's Shine Again. Tell me a little bit about that one. Shine Again is basically a song of encouragement. It's a song of hope. Yeah, it's a song of hope. Basically, the sun will shine again. Cloudy days are kind of symbolic of having not such a good time or whatever. But Shine Again is kind of like there's still hope and a song of hope. Very cool. Sweet. Well, you're listening to Live from the Path. This is Light Switch with Shine Again. Just a breath away, and we all, well, I'll go home someday. These clouds of gray will calm the day. Forgotten, no, we're left on, no. We'll shine again, we're shining heaven to hold on to. Forgotten, no, we'll shine again, we'll shine again. I'm worried because I will attempt to sing it at home, and I can't do it. It sounds like I fell down and hurt myself. Trust me, it'll sound a lot better live.

We've never played these acoustically. I think they jam acoustically. I think they're awesome. I think that we've got some rocking stuff going on over there. Thank you kindly. Yeah. How does the crowd react to that song? I mean, you know, it's a song of hope, like you say, and there's a lot of stuff going on out there. If they boo, they're certainly not going to tell us. Well, I don't mean, like, you can usually tell, you know, I'm a preacher. I can tell what's going on. You know, I kind of tell them. I know everything, yeah. I know what's going on in Mike's mind all the time. It's like, quit thinking that. I mean, you know, you can tell where they're at, you know, if they're engaging, if they're, like, if God's working through it, or if they're just going, oh, it's a music one, I don't even know what they're saying. I would say acoustically, they boo. When we do it, you know, electronically, you know, I think it does touch a lot of people. And, you know, you can kind of tell on the faces. I think a lot more people actually get it when we get to the last part where we just keep holding on and keep believing. And sometimes we'll get the crowd to sing it with us, and then we'll go back into it. And then, like, at that point, then the message is more clear of the song.

Sure. I really think it'll give people who are kind of at the end of their rope hope and just help them to keep pressing on even though, you know, they don't feel like they can. Yeah, it's very inspirational, actually. If you sit down and dig on it and listen to what you're saying, it's very inspirational, both in general and, you know, hoping God about the whole thing. So, yeah, it's very good. I really like that one. Thank you. And if they don't like it, we'll catch their tomatoes and make salsa. That's cool. I like the optimism that he thinks they're fresh tomatoes. I hope they are. All right. I hope you're ready for it, because here it comes. And now for America's fastest growing game show, Secular or Solomon. There you have it. You have just wandered into America's fastest growing internet game show, Secular vs. Solomon. Mike, tell them about it. So Secular Solomon is basically a game where we're going to pop out a proverb or a saying, and you're going to determine whether it is a secular proverb or it's from Solomon. Or from Proverbs. Or from Proverbs in general. Oh, okay. And so you have to decide whether it's from Proverbs or it's secular. It's a worldly.

And if you guess secular, you've got to say where it came from. Like if I'm going to say, no, that don't sound like Bible to me. That sounds like a German proverb. So if you're going to guess non-proverb, you've got to add a nationality in there. That's the game. All right. It's pretty tough. Yeah. All right. Ready? All right. Here we go. Proverb number one. God gives every bird its food, but does not always drop it into the nest. God gives every bird its food, but does not always drop it into the nest. Secular or Solomon. Mike. He always starts with me. Where are you at on this thing, Gabe? I'm going with secular. His eye is on the spear. It sounds a little political. Yes.

I think that sounds secular. I'm going to go with secular and probably Polish. Polish. Okay. Secular Polish. What do you think? I'd have to agree. Something. It sounds Polish. I mean, I think of the Polish. Me and him are one guy. We're the same fella. The Polish sausage. Okay, we were a team, but we're giving up after that Polish sausage comment. Let's see. It would be the due east side of the table. Where are you guys at, fellas? Secular or Solomon? Definitely secular. And I would say it's more of an old wife's tale than Polish. An old cricket. Yes. He's going with the fable.

A nationality. That is a nationality. Old wife's tale is a country just south of Europe. Actually, I once met a girl from Old Wives. I would get beyond her use. Thanks, Dan. I set that up. You really knocked it home. Dan, what do you got? I'd have to agree. Secular Old Wives. I'd have to agree with that. Boy. That Polish sausage kind of. Back on the Polish sausage? Excellent. Hudson's? I'm saying secular Polish. Secular Polish. I'm going to be hungry after this interview. I've never done that to Old Wives' Tale before. I'm going with secular Norwegian. Dan?

I'll say secular Croatian. God gives every bird its food but does not always drop it into the nest. Secular Danish. That was close. That was certainly in our neck of the woods of Polish. It was an old Danish wives' tale. Danish to eat Polish sausage. You didn't let me finish. I was going to say Danish. All right. Here we go. Next one. Bread gained by deceit is sweet to a man, but afterward his mouth will be full of gravel. Oh, Proverbs. Proverbs. Yes. Secular or solid. Let's start the other direction. Dan, go ahead. I'm going to go with Proverbs. Proverbs. I'm also going with Proverbs. Proverbs, boy.

Could be old wives. Proverbs. Proverbs. Sam? Sam's in for Proverbs. Gabe? Yes, that's Proverbs. Gabe, Proverbs? I think it's pretty good. Light switch batting a thousand on Proverbs. Mike? I don't have any choice but to go the opposite directions. Secular. And from what nationality? Hebrew. That was good. It's a cheap answer. Bread gained by deceit is sweet to a man, but afterward his mouth will be full of gravel. Proverbs 20, 17. I can't believe it. Very good. Here we go. Whoever sends a message by the hand of a fool cuts off his own feet and drinks violence.

Whoever sends a message by the hand of a fool cuts off his own feet and drinks violence. Secular or Solomon? Mike? That kind of violence only happens in Indonesia. Secular Indonesia. Secular Indonesia. Abe? Cuts off the feet. Yeah. Whoever sends a message by the hand of a fool cuts off his own feet and drinks violence. Doesn't sound very good. Sounds painful. It does. Secular or Solomon? It doesn't sound very Christian-like. I would have to say secular and what? Burma. British. Secular. British. British. Violent feet cutting people. Old move, Abraham.

All right. Gabe? Secular or Solomon? It's Proverbs 14. No, I can't put it out, but it's Proverbs. He's going with Proverbs. I was going to try and actually reference it. I was going to try and wow you guys. It's Proverbs. I would have been wowed. I said Indonesia. Sam, what do you got? I'd have to agree. Proverbs. He's willing to go with the Proverbs. You can't go off what I say. No, that's not fair. What if you get the right answer? He has to disagree with you every time. He's really close, too. All right. Boy, what do you got? I'm going to say Proverbs.

Proverbs. Hudson's? I'm going to go with Proverbs. Hold on. Did you just try and ask Dan what he was going to go with? No. Lave. Yes, I did. All right. Proverbs. Dan? I'm going with a secular Russian proverb. Secular from Pastor Dan says secular. Yeah. All right. They're always cutting off feet. Can I tell you my original thought? Yes. Secular somewhere from like Baghdad or something. The country of Baghdad. A.K.A. the city of Baghdad. Right. I know.

I'm like that area. Somewhere in that province. Yeah. The Gobi province. All right. Whoever sends a message by the hand of a fool, cuts off his own feet, and drinks violence, you would know this if you had read Proverbs 26.6. 26. I wasn't 14. Like Twitch pulls it out again. It's not the King James Version. English standard. All right. Here we go. You didn't ask me last because I read Proverbs a lot. So they'll go off. Here we go. Oh, when he has to, the devil eats flies. When he has to, the devil eats flies. Secular or Solomon. That doesn't even sound like something to know. Like that's kind of his own business, right? If he can't find anything else to eat, why am I like, oh, I hope the devil's not eating flies.

He deserves so much better. Isn't he the father of flies? Yeah. Lord of the flies. Hail. Hail. Lord of the flies. He's the Lord of the flies. That's the direct translation, isn't it? Lord of the flies? That's biblical. I'll look it up. He's actually the father of flies. It was a play on words. Of flies. Of flies. No, no. But that's actually true. Are the flies a demonic creature? No, no. One of the names of Satan is a direct Hebrew translation. It comes out to be Lord of the Flies. That's what the book says.

I knew William Golding was suspicious. I'm telling you. Okay. Anyway, give it out. When he has to, the devil eats flies. Secular or Solomon. Damn. Oh, I wasn't listening. What? Oh, damn. I was watching when she was typing. Hold on a second. My B is a bug. How do you say that? Is that what it is? Yeah. B is a bug. B is a bug. Yeah, yeah. Lord of the flies. What's going on over there? Fellas, is everything all right over there? Okay.

I was going to do drop D for the mood setting. Okay, sweet. What was the potential problem? When he has to, the devil eats flies. Oh, that one. Oh, yeah. We're still on that one? Yeah. No, it's secular. Secular from where? That would be, it has to be someone who believes in a devil. So, I'm going to go, that is from South America. All right. Danielle. Secular. That's not a country, by the way. That is a continent. The country of Nebuchadnezzar. Secular. Okay. From. From Asia. Also a continent.

So, China. We've really got to work on our geography. Boy. Let's see. I've never seen the devil eat flies. So. I like the thought that you've seen the devils. You just haven't seen them eating flies. You know, I'm familiar. I saw them at the Wendy's. So, but. He does. There's donut holes only. So, maybe somewhere farther away. I like his confidence. It's happening. It's just not happening close to me. Maybe on an island somewhere. All right. Papua New Guinea. Yeah. That's where it's going down. Probably.

Sam. Secular from Indonesia. Indonesia. I said that. I'm skipping you, Proverbs reader. Hey, what do you got? I would say secular from, let's see here. I will tell you ahead of time, there's no prize. So, you don't have to. Just throw it out. Ecuador. It's got to be Canada. It's got to be Canada. Canadians. Devils and flies. That's Canada. Hold on. Oh, yeah. You're next. Go ahead. That is true, though, is that Beelzebub does translate directly to Lord of Flies. Incidentally. Secular or Solomon, Mike?

Secular. Secular. From where? Florida. Gabe? It's not a proverb, but can I guess a different book in the Bible? Yes. Because if I had to guess, I would say secular from probably America. It kind of threw you off there. It's definitely secular. Why did I permit another book in the Bible? He threw you for a loop. You thought he was going to say Deuteronomy. You know, here's the deal. I've never read Jude, and I thought, oh, no, it will be in Jude, and I will not know that. Actually, I did read Jude because it's short. I read a book in the Bible this week. Come to me, Habakkuk. All right. That is secular from Germans. The Germans. Faustus. The Germans believe in the devil-eating flies.

Here we go. A little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to rest, and poverty will come upon you like a robber and want like an armed man. Here we go. A little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to rest, and poverty will come upon you like a robber and want like an armed man. Secular. or Solomon. Mike. Solomon. Solomon. What do you got? Abe. I believe that's a proverb. He's going for Solomon. Gabe? I can't reference it, but it's a proverb. It's a proverb. Sam, you only have one way to go here. Proverb. Proverb or D? Moe. Proverb. Moe has guessed secular. What a mistake, dude. Proverb. Proverb. Proverb. That is Proverbs 24, 33 through 34. That's what you were thinking, right? What was it, 34?

24, 33 through 34. Yep. I couldn't get it. It's kind of hard to disagree. It's in front of him. You're probably just going to have to say yes. Here we go. We got two more. For those of you listening on radio, they don't see we have all our Bibles open up. He who conceals his disease cannot expect to be cured. Secular or Solomon? Pass that to the Hudson's. Hudson's. He who conceals his disease cannot expect to be cured. Secular or Solomon? I'm going to go secular and I'm going to go New Mexico. That is a state. It's a state. It's not a country or nationality.

We're going to have to get a map in here. We're going to have to do something. Danielle? I'm going with secular. Is Australia, does that count? It's a country. It's also a continent, but it is also a country. But it's a country. Very good. So I'm going with that. Okay, very good. Moy? I'm going to say it's secular and the United States because doctors are always looking for new patients here. Jaded by the medical system, Moy says secular United States. Sam? Secular, I'd have to agree. Old stories about it. Look for big turns in the next election.

All right. Gabe? It's secular. Okay. From where? And I would say it's from America. Probably a politician. Okay. I like your specificness. A quote from Gerald Ford. The governor of New Mexico. Abraham? I would say it's secular and it's probably from, boy, it's probably from the Middle East somewhere. Somewhere in the Middle East. I can't quite think of it. You can't quite catch the dialect. Palestine somewhere. Oh, it could be Chinese. I'm going with secular and Ghana. And Ghana.

He who conceals his disease cannot expect to be cured. Secular Ethiopia. Oh, yeah. Of course. Here we go. Final one. So we've got all legitimate things? Yeah. Oh, cool. All right. There's a song in there somewhere. I like the thought of a rigged game where I just pull the countries out of my hat. You know what? Whatever. The former… Are they going to argue with you? Come on. Republic of Georgia. All right. Here we go.

Final one. By the way, if you just came in, you were listening to America's fastest growing internet game show, Secular versus Solomon. You were on the final proverb. Here it is. A stranger nearby is better than a faraway relative. A stranger nearby is better than a faraway relative. Secular or Solomon. Go ahead, Moy. Solomon. He says it's Solomon. Daniel. Written by an N-Y. Me? I'm going with Solomon. Solomon. Danielle.

Solomon. Solomon. Say him. Solomon. Solomon. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Abraham. I'm going to have to go with Solomon. Solomon. I don't want to be wrong. Mike? I was waiting for Gabe's response. He's waiting on you. Go first. All right. Secular. Secular from where? Secular somewhere in the South Americas. Somewhere in the South Americas. Gabe? I was going to say it sounds more like

an in-law writing but I would say it's definitely Solomon. You threw me off. I thought we were on the fence here. You're the only you tipped me the wrong way. Oh. I'd rather eat flies. A stranger nearby is better than a faraway relative. Secular Korea. Oh my goodness. Thanks, buddy. Everyone has you. You get wives on the roof in your mind and then it sounds too much like that. You get the right answer. There's a like this is the like this is the like this is the side of it.

No, well, so well, so maybe I will take Proverbs. Proverbs, a neighbor living nearby is better than a relative far away. King James Proverbs 27.10. So a neighbor's not necessarily a stranger so that's where they got it. Yep. The Koreans somehow decided stranger's better than a neighbor. Oh wait, so that wasn't Bible? No. No. No. You, what? Remember when I told you you led me astray and then you didn't? Are you paying attention to the show? That wasn't Bible.

No, there was a one word difference. The proverb says a neighbor living nearby is better than a what is a relative far away? Yeah. The Korean proverb is a stranger living nearby. That's copyright infringement. It's a translation variance. There was a problem with the translation. It's the generic Korean version. The one you get at the Goodwill not the one you buy at the Brookstone. I love Korea. That has been America's Fastest Growing Game Show. Secular or Solomon? The game show? Yeah.

Well, we usually have one guy listening a show and so we figure if we get one other guy it's doubled. That's 100% growth. Yeah, it's true. I know this is true across America because I only audited one internet game show and that's ours. Oh, that's true. Of the shows surveyed ours is the fastest. You are listening to Live from the Path. Thanks for hanging out with us. That was Secular vs. Solomon. You can catch us during the week at www.livefromthepath.org. Please sign up

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We're going to be out there. There's going to be a ton of cool bands playing out there. Make sure you catch it. Light Switch, good luck at Praise Fest coming up tomorrow. That's a long drive. You guys got a ways to go, don't you? Yeah, it's a drive one. Mike's going to be a long one. Think of something inspirational to say to them. Go ahead. Mike. What? Think of something. I'm working on it.

I'm not a genius. I don't have anything quality to say. Do you eat flies, gummy bears, or unedible dog food? You know, you could get some of them circus peanuts and then that would take up some time because you can eat like three and then you're sick of them. And then by the time you're not sick of them anymore, you'll be almost there. It'll probably take four or five hours for you to want

another one. That'll pass a lot of the time. How'd that go, Ben? Pretty solid. You know what? That was excellent. Yeah, excellent. That's everything I thought it would be more. All right. Well, you have been listening to Live from the Path. Light Switch, thanks so much for coming in, you guys. We really do appreciate your stopping through. We look forward to seeing you at Spirit Midwest. And for everybody else, make sure you check out

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