Live from the Pathway Studios in Johnston proper, you are live from the path. We were listening to you live from the path. My name is Ben Trudeau. Thanks for joining us tonight. Studio's full. I doubled you up, Dan. Oh, yes. Except one of your cameras is working and one isn't. Or like one's behind. So it actually makes it look like there's two different dudes because he's not moving exactly the same as you are. That's awesome. I like that. All right. We got some trouble tonight. You're listening to Live from the Pathway. My name is Ben Trudeau.

Thanks for being with us. It is me and Dan in the studio tonight. We went from, what did we have? We had, I don't know, 15 people here last week. I was taking, pull all kinds of chairs out of here. Yeah. I mean, there were a ton of people here last week. And then Mike is not here. Spangenhauser is not here. Is he coming? I don't know. I don't know. I guess we'll know. He's always the big question mark. I don't know whether he's showing up or not. That's usually about an hour from now.

Isn't there a half hour or something? Yeah. Yeah. I shouldn't say. Anyway. So I, and actually, so here's what we're going to do tonight. We'll be broadcasting for an hour tonight. Um, and probably going forward, what you'll, uh, for those of you that are regulars on the show, what we'll be planning on doing is on shows where we have, uh, talent or bands or interviews or whatever in here. So we, unlike us, that's right. Uh, we'll go for a couple hours and then on, uh, a no talent nights, uh, when the, when the life and the path hacks are in here, uh, hanging around just on our lonesome, we'll probably hang out for an hour and then let you go to bed so that you don't regret it too much. I like it. Yeah.

You don't need to invest two hours of your time. It's a mistake. I usually fall asleep about an hour into it anyway. And I just kind of smile and nod and kind of look at everyone. Yeah. That's great. If you noticed, uh, if you, if anybody, uh, was either watching the show last week, I'm going to leave those two dads up there. I like them. Um, they're good looking too. If you, uh, if you either watched the show last week or happen to catch another podcast, the, um, uh, the, the, we are Leo guys were in and they were a ton of fun. Um, but they, and they stayed in for two hours and those poor guys, we kind of had them trapped because they were staying in, uh, they were staying here at the ministry center. Yeah. Cause they needed a place to stay.

I think, which is the reason they came for the show. Uh, but that's a good trade. Give us a night to stay. But if you catch, if you catch the video around 1130, 1140, like they're kind of, kind of nodding down. These are like rockers. Isn't that when they're supposed to be waking up? That's what I'm talking about. Maybe the Christian rock shows don't go as late. Cause I mean the, the normal bar gig goes till 1am and then you're packing up for another 45 minutes. Uh, you're taking a long time cause you're tired. You don't want to do anything and you get home at say two 30 or three in the morning. Right? Yeah. 1130.

These fellas, I don't know, but I could see it. Especially this fellow right over here. I mean, he's starting to crank down a little, fall asleep on his arm, you know, couldn't have been, we were boring him. No, I know. Absolutely not. I can't imagine that's not even possible. I can't imagine that. Where are they from that day? They, they've come in from, was it Wisconsin? Sioux Falls. Sioux Falls. Oh, that's right. Sioux Falls. Yeah. Okay.

Now I don't know who's booking their action and I don't want to criticize a guy, but I mean, seriously, they went from Sioux Falls to, uh, to here, to Johnston and then back to Sioux City and then back to Altoona. So they were in, uh, in fact, I went to check out the show, me and the girls, uh, me and my two daughters went to the, uh, to the show. They played at Adventure Life Church on that Thursday and we didn't get there early enough. I was kind of hoping there were three acts and I was hoping they'd be the, uh, the second or second act, but they were the first. We cut the last, uh, song and a half, but they were good. Yeah. They were really good. They're a, they're a cool band there to catch live. Uh, when I came in, a drum guy, which is the guy that was falling asleep, was standing up on the throne. Uh, and I like him because he's selective. You get some drummers that are in there just whacking drums away.

He basically just takes one stick and decides where he's going to go, whacking around at it. Uh, it was cool. Anyway, they did a really cool job. Um, and the atmosphere at that Adventure Life Church was pretty cool. They were giving out free popcorn and cookies and stuff. Really? Uh, yeah. I'll tell you, man, tell me this is not right. So I don't know what made me feel awkward about this, but so there were three bands there and, um, after the second band, uh, they, they took up, they took up an offering and it passed a bunch of bowls around and immediately I thought this, this is awkward to me and it's, and it's not, it's not necessarily, uh, I mean, we don't take up an offering or you're allowed to give it, which I like philosophically, uh, but there's nothing wrong with taking up an offering. I mean, everybody does it, but something made me uncomfortable about it.

And, and I think what it was, was that it was, uh, it was obviously designed as kind of a youth event. Um, and, and it feels, just feels awkward when you got a room full of either adults that are supervising children or your, uh, your, your preteens and your teens, they're trying to have a good time and rock out for Christ. Uh, and then you're, then you're pandering for money. Yeah. It just felt weird to me. Like it was, it's not morally wrong or anything, but it just felt awkward. Well, and I doubt a lot of those, uh, you know, preteens. Had a lot of cash on hand. Yeah. You know, so they were, they were hoping the parents, I suppose, would, would, would would party up. You know, I get that, but I don't, I think if you're going to do concerts, stuff like that, it should probably be a ministry of your, your church.

So you're not having to take offerings or sell tickets. Yeah. So you're covering the charge at the door or, you know, up front of it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and, and, and I get it. I was thinking about it. Well, you know, if we would have done something like that, let's, uh, and given what we have, what, what would I have done there? And I think maybe my encouragement would be, uh, is, is to buy the band's merchandise or something like, like buy the stuff from them. Uh, and I know what they were doing. They took the, they didn't pay themselves back or pay the popcorn. They probably took the money and they just gave it to the bands. I mean, totally, totally reasonable. Oh yeah.

Um, but I thought, uh, it just felt a little awkward. And I think maybe what it does is, is it, is it presents the, uh, if you're in that realm, you're probably not making much money or you don't have money on you or you barely have a job or never seen a job before. Um, and your introduction to tithing to Christ, um, is ducking it. Right. Is a guy coming around with the bowl standing next to you and you trying to figure out how to not feel awkward. So you go take a whiz or, you know, you go to the cookie stand. And you're like, well, I'm really not really prepared for this. Uh, yeah. Uh, yeah. But did they give a big, um, you know, Hey, we really want to support the fans, blah, blah, blah. Big, usually there's some type of talk of some sort. Yes, they did.

And then when, then, uh, they didn't collect all that much. And then the guy got back up there, uh, from the church and he goes, now, come on. I don't see anything in those bowls. I thought, shut up. So, okay. Here, here's where I think scripturally, uh, a church, this is why we stopped taking an offer. We used to take an offering every week, just like every church. You know, we started out that way and thought, ah, that's what you do. That's what churches do. Yep. And then we're going through a financial series several years ago. And, uh, it's in second Corinthians chapter nine, where Paul says, each one must give it. He has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion for God loves a cheerful giver. Now we always jump up and down on the God loves a cheerful giver part. Yeah.

But the whole don't give under compulsion. Yeah. Anytime someone gives up and gives a big spiel, Hey, we need your money, blah, blah, blah. Uh, we know you didn't know there was going to be an offering, but here it is. Oh, you didn't give enough. And then you give more. That's under compulsion, isn't it? Yeah. Isn't that by definition? So scripturally, we are, we are violating scripture by asking in that way. I think, and that's, that was really kind of the heart of, of why we decided, Hey, maybe we shouldn't take an offering. Yeah. If you want to give, come and give. I mean, we will teach giving. We, that's, that's what God says.

Give. Yeah. And, uh, I mean, it's still important to lead in that area and to, and to make people recognize, um, what the Bible says about giving. And frankly, what is, people are weird about stuff like that. I mean, if you look around and you see, uh, you're sitting in a chair, there's lights on it. I mean, it's not like it's going into some, some pot that, that, you know, the, the, the pastor of any church like puts in the back and swims in it for a week. I mean, it takes, it takes money to, to be a service to the community. It takes money to pay people to, to do whatever around the church. It takes money to buy chairs. And it's, it's weird as, as they, they look at the churches like, uh, well, you know, the, the, the church is the benevolent part, but I mean, somebody has to fund the benevolence. Yeah.

Right. Right. It has to be done. And I'm sure, like you say, it was, is the, the motives were probably pure. They were going to give the bands. They're not like rolling in the money either. We, you know, like I say, they were sleeping at the, at our place here just a couple of nights earlier, uh, cause they didn't have any money. Yeah. So I, I get that, but there's gotta be, uh, a better way than, than trying to guilt people into, especially if you didn't tell them, if maybe they did tell people, Hey, there's going to be an offering. I could have been, uh, you know, we'll see, I actually felt weird cause me and pants and, uh, and my two daughters were there and I, I can't, I don't keep cash on me, you know? Yeah.

And so, uh, uh, uh, you know, I don't go to the church. I'm the guest there. I'm the guy benefiting from the most cause they're putting their money already towards it. So the people of their church can, uh, enjoy it. I thought, okay, that sounds pretty cool. Like I'm the guy that's like soaking it up for free. And I felt like a total freeloader. And, and, and I thought, you know, maybe that's some of my own guilt, um, about something. But like, if you're coming in there and you're in, you're catching this concert or, or like more, more likely is you, is you bring a friend who maybe doesn't dig on Christian music or isn't a guy or whatever. And, uh, I, and they feel like a freeloader. I don't know. And, and, and, and, and maybe it's just the, it's the venue.

Like, um, uh, just like if you have a person that's new to your church and that's not a Christian, like, I don't want your money, you know, like this, the service is a gift to you. Uh, you know, when you're, when you're following Christ and you're doing what God tells you to do, that stuff will come. Exactly. You'll do that. We want you to connect with Jesus and get to know him and, and get a relationship with him and, and make sure you're on the road to heaven and doing that whole thing. Yeah. Yeah. If we're sitting there worried about cash, you know, yeah, that's right. And so, uh, it's weird because you look at it and people, um, uh, best intentions always cause or not, not always, but, but that tends to be the problems aren't caused by, you know, ridiculous people that are trying to filter the people that are doing, uh, have the best intentions for something.

Um, but they're, but they're looking at it from a singular perspective. They're looking at it from their perspective and not the perspective of each of the different types of person that might show up to your event. Uh, and again, I don't know what I do. Those bands could obviously use money. Uh, I, you know, they're the Christian bands of all the, of all the acts that are out there. They have it the worst. They have it the worst. Cause I mean, people expect stuff for free. They expect Jesus stuff to be free. Yeah. No one likes associating money with Christ and like they're, but yet when they go to the gas station and have to fill up their van, then guess what? The gas station wants their money. Yeah. You know, they're always, right.

They're driving a big deal. He still wants to pay for your burger. So yeah, it's a, it's one of those things. Yeah. You know, and maybe one of those deals is too, it depends on how you're going to do it. How you do your little spiel for, for the offering. If you're, you're giving the facts and Hey, here's the deal. These guys have expenses, blah, blah, blah. As, as a believer, we're asking to help pay their expenses. That's one thing. Yeah. I've heard somebody like big emotional pleas, you know, like conferences and stuff that it's just kind of a big turnoff. And even for me as a believer who, who gives, you know, to, to these things. And I'm just like, Oh, yeah, I don't know. And you know, it, it, it makes me, um, it makes me feel actually that's true with a

lot of, uh, God or Christ following behavior is I'll see something that is just to feels to me, just like a well-intentioned people that are a step too far doing something or other, um, either they're overselling stuff on their emotions. Like it just, it seems fake though. The pleas for money seem fake. And then, and I feel like myself kind of distancing from them and, and, and, and I hate that feeling because I think, no, no, no, no, no, no, we're, we're the same. We're like 98% of the same guy trying to go in after the same thing, loving the same Christ that died for the same sins that everybody has. Right. But I feel myself like disassociating. And I'm like, God, that's even those goofy faith healers. Like, you know what? Like we probably agree on a lot of the major tenants of scripture, probably it's likely, you know, like if you were to do question, answer, question, answer, we probably agree. And I feel myself pulling back and I think there's, there's something that that's not

right. There's something not right. I mean, there's things to be wary of, but there's just something not right about that. And, uh, I don't know that that's that I've working through that even as my relationship with other Christians and I see their behavior. And my first reaction is the distance because I want people to see, don't see Jesus as ridiculous because a person is ridiculous. Right. But, but, but you can't sell someone off their faith or, or like completely disown who they are and what they believe just because they're like 2% wacky. Right. Uh, but I probably, I mean, I like, I can feel myself pulling away from those people. I'm like, I don't want to be associated with that, but like this person is creepy or they're just weird or they're, they're whatever. Of course they'd be creepy or weird without Jesus. You know, so I mean, we're just, we're all just have our own creepy things about us or weird

things about us. And then you add Jesus and, and then, and then, you know, I think that, uh, in, in many ways, you know, preachers are, are sometimes the fault of this. They're always throwing out all these wild things and you need to be doing this. You need to be doing that. Blah, blah, blah. And some of us, they're listening going, well, I want to follow Jesus. And the preacher's saying, I need to do this weird thing. I guess I better go do it. You know? Yeah. Yeah. People running around doing all this weird stuff. And you know, so it's someone, some of the fault was back on, on, uh, you're, you're creating the wacky folks that are about wacky. I, you know, and I think maybe one of the things, um, it's weird that you brought that

up. Cause one of the things I've been thinking about this week is, um, is people as, as believers making a distinction between, uh, moderation and compromise. Like you don't, we shouldn't ever compromise on, on biblical truth and what that looks like in your life. But the, but the embracing, the moderation is, is looking at what the Bible says and then not going, going outside of that. Like that, that's what the Pharisees did, you know, like people, or, or the, or the, some of the more liberal theology that's out there is, is just, is people taking one thing and then bending it just slightly to whatever does them good. It's, it's ultimately it's a, it's a selfish thing, right? They, they take something that Christ said and then they move it one way or the other to, to meet them. Um, um, but the guy that the most dangerous, dangerous believer out there, the person that I think mostly to cause trouble in their own lives and in the lives of others, um, is someone who thinks they have it all figured out.

Like, I think that's the danger. Cause I, uh, I think every, almost every, you know, Bible issue that we've talked about, it's usually is a, uh, okay, here's what the Bible says. Now you can take it too far doing this or on the other side, you could, you know, like there's always that sandwich of danger. Right. Right. And the guy that sits in it, he's the, he's the top poppy seed bunny says, I got this all figured out. I topped the sandwich. That's the dangerous guy. Yeah. There, there is no truth other than what I have figured out here. And if you're all wrong, if you're slightly off from me and here's why I'm right, blah, blah, blah, 14 reasons. And, and they speak confidently and, and then you just kind of like starting to doubt.

And, and so, yeah, that can be a little crazy. Well, and, and, and, and I think, uh, here's what's difficult is people will look at and we say that the message of salvation is simple and that's true. Um, the message of, of living out a, a forgiven life and a, in a godly life in a, in a world that is sinful is complicated. And people will, will, will back, will back away from that. And they'll say something like, you know, well, the message is simple. Uh, you shouldn't have to, it shouldn't take you three minutes to explain how I can approach this situation biblically. Well, the problem isn't the simplicity of the Bible. It's the difficulty and the, uh, the confusion of the sinful world that we live in and trying. And what does that even look like in how you're trying to live? And I think that's, that's maybe the issue is, is we're, you know, we're called to live. What would otherwise be easy to put into practice if you weren't surrounded by, uh, sin and destruction. Right, right.

You're getting pulled and lured all kinds of different directions and, and, and your own temptations and your own, uh, personality and all these things are pulling from different directions and, and, uh, yeah, it can, can, uh, mess you up a little bit. And so I, I don't know, I think that's, that's where, um, uh, I see people who, with conflict is they, the, they look for an easy biblical teaching and it's there for the most part. Um, uh, but they get frustrated when it doesn't translate as easy in action. And I think the difference is, is like Jesus saying one thing, he could pull it off pretty easy. His perspective is different. The, the, his, his will is different. Yeah. His ability to fight temptation and trouble and not get ensnared with a bunch of other stuff is different than ours. Yeah. And so it does tend to be more complicated to pull it off. And I think the danger of ours is getting frustrated, um, with that and feeling like

that makes us, uh, like that's pulling us away from Christ when, you know, failing is kind of part of that because you're, there's pressures from all sides to do something that Jesus could otherwise pull off flawlessly. Right. Of course, Jesus has this, you know, I mean, he, he's God. So like everything he says is just true, you know, and it's, it's always kind of like a, you know, we have that disadvantage of, of not being true, you know, we're trying to figure out truth and trying to discover it and study and, and, and pray and, and trying to figure out truth. And, um, he obviously has the advantage of just everything. I mean, he's just, he's God. He just knows. Yeah. It's like, he just knows his stuff. And I'm trying to figure it out. And sometimes it's really hard because you can go one way or the other and I can, on

some of the issues, you know, you can, you can read scripture and, and I can see someone's point when they're over here and then I'm really over on the other side going, man, but this is what I think. And, and I can honestly see both sides legitimately. And I'm like, ah, so a lot of times I don't have a real definitive. No, this is the answer. Uh, cause I can really see both sides, but I know what I think. Yeah. You know, it is, uh, whatever the issue, um, talk about women's role in the church. That's always a hot topic if you want it to be. And, uh, I can be on both sides of, of that. And I've always just said, well, let's just do what the Bible says. Well, the Bible doesn't talk about, you know, some things. I was in a church years ago that, uh, women were not allowed to serve communion, you know, and I like, so I kind of asked the question, well, well, well, why, you know, not serve communion?

Well, if they do that, just who knows what they'll do next. You know, that was literally the answer. And I'm like, look at, look at that woman running up and down the halls. Yeah. They'll take control of everything. She's been serving communion. And so when we started pathway, you know, some of those issues I looked at and thought, well, you know what, it's really not a biblical, I can't look at a scripture and say, yeah, women really shouldn't, you know, um, even in some of the verses that I can kind of see go, go, uh, either way on things like in the issues of teaching and, and, and preaching and, and some of those things. And, and, and I can look at scripture and say, oh, okay, you know, there, there's some certain things I can get, I can get the argument there, but I couldn't find it in, on communion. You know, that, that's just one example. Yeah. And so we do it, you know, and so some people will come and it kind of creeps them out

like, whoa, and then they get used to it. Like, I guess there really isn't anything, you know, and that's just not, that's not a big issue in life. But I mean, you know, it's, there's a lot of issues that, that, that, uh, come along the road that it's a similar type of thing. It can go one way or the other and neither is necessarily wrong. Right. I think a lot of it goes back to your heart. You know, what do you, well, and communion is an interesting thing because, um, you know, like the, the biblical communion is just, uh, it's just Jesus hanging out with his, with his friends and followers eating. Yeah. You know, and, uh, you know, the thoughts of, well, how do you, how should we pass the tray and are they gold rimmed? Because Jesus would have used the gold rimmed trays that had the wafers in it. Now are they glass glasses or are they plastic?

They glass. Yeah. Is that great? Is that great juice? Cause I mean, seriously, you're better be a Welch's. You're like spitting on the cross with that. Hey, people are, and people are weird about that. You know, and I can look at that and, and I could, I can laugh about a little bit, but I mean, you could pop into a good number of churches and completely throw somebody's spiritual life into a chasm for having someone in a pair of shorts serve the communion. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. My very first church I was at in college, I mean that you would, they wanted you to have, make sure your suit coat was buttoned. I mean, that's assuming obviously you have, or wearing a suit, you know, if you're going to serve communion, you better wear a suit and not only that, but you better have it

buttoned, you know, and it was, it was truly from their hearts, an act of respect, you know, and I, I, I disagreed, you know, with it, but like, I don't care if someone in shorts serves the communion, that's like, that's not why I'm there. You know, I'm not there to remember, you know, that's a nice looking suit. Yeah. I'm there to remember Jesus. Um, but you're, you're right. It would, it would, some people would not be able to worship because they'd be thrown off by that or a woman was serving or they were in the wrong thing. Well, it's, it's weird. I remember, um, my grandpa is a, um, uh, is a, is a preacher and he was a Southern Baptist preacher. And I remember when I was, uh, had it been seven or eight years old, um, his church, um, had a, had a, a list of, um, something, it was a list somewhere. And one of them was, um, no, no short, shouldn't be wearing short. Yeah.

And even at that, even at like seven or eight, I, I, for the life of me, I, I, I couldn't think, well, like, wouldn't you rather have like a half naked, dirty man in here listening to Jesus than like toss him? Cause he's not wearing shorts. You better dress up if you're going to come here. Jesus here. Yeah. You know? Yeah. And, and I couldn't place it. And, and, you know, for the most part, I, I'm again, I'm like 99.5% in agreement with my grandpa theologically. Sure. Um, and I, maybe he's changed. I don't know. That's been 20 years.

Um, but, but, but it's weird. I mean, even at that young age, I'm like, when you're at, I think it was because I wanted to wear shorts. I'm pretty sure it was just my perspective that like, well, I mean, I can't, I worship Jesus in the comfort of shortened pants. Are you saying we can't worship on a beach? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. What do people in the desert do? Well, they're lost. So, um, but, but I remember even at young age, it just didn't make sense. I thought, you know, I, I would rather have the, the, the stinky guy, the, the, the guy that, you know, he was unbathed and then he wore whatever he could. And I, and I like him hearing about Christ.

And then from there, I do, do I think there's, should you show up in your, in your pajamas? You know, probably not, but that's more of just like a social deal. Like it's, it's hard to witness to Christ in your pajamas. If everybody else is dressed up, it's difficult. Um, but, but it's, um, I don't, it was always, it was the same thing with hats too. And I, you know, I, I still, I, sometimes I've forgotten a couple of times, but most of I'd take my hat off. I think that's a generational thing. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but, but it's, but it's, it's, it's the, the reference that some people have for stuff like that. I mean, that guy, that guy had his head on. He must beat his children. Exactly. Exactly.

His head is not exposed. It's like, like Christ is, is, can't see through into my mind because I have a hat on. It's just, it's just a weird perspective, but it's, but people, people hold on to it. I spoke at a church once, um, or it had to be in the eighties, uh, maybe the nineties. It was made up in the nineties. It doesn't matter. It was, it was a long time ago. Right. And it was a small country church. Okay. And, uh, I was in an exchange thing with, with a supporting admission, uh, CEM, the who hired me to come start pathway. Yep. And, uh, so a bunch of two preachers switch and you talk about whatever. And, uh, it's just kind of a yay, yay day. Anyway, I go to this church.

So I don't know anything about them. I've never been there. Don't know any of the people. And, uh, my wife and I are there and we're sitting in the back and, and, uh, or wherever. And anyway, it comes to me time and communion is, is, is very, very, um, I want to say reverent, but then that's all up to how do you define reverence in this particular congregation? Reverence was defined. I mean, it was, it was a funeral dirge. Okay. I mean, there were like six guys in suits. So it was very similar to my first ministry, you know, walking very solemnly down to the middle aisle, uh, toward the communion table and which was up at the front and it was just pretty typical. Yeah. And they, they, they surround themselves around the table and like they, it was like unfolding a flag that had a white, uh, linen of some sort that really long that draped over the

whole thing. And they, um, now I'm trying to, now I'm mixing myself up. I think the whole table, no, the table was covered. And when they came around it, they, they lifted the, like all, all, all is one unit. They lifted the whole cloth up and they folded up kind of like a, uh, you know, very, very crisp and very meaningful. Every movement movement was very meaningful. Yep. And, uh, they went through this, it was a 15 minute thing just to get to the communion and Cheryl and I look at each other. I mean, at some point it got almost creepy. I was waiting for like the funeral song and, and we were here today to remember, you know, and, um, and then they took communion and then they did everything backwards, you know, and then they marched back out and, and, um, now if they came to our church, they probably wouldn't, you know, it just wouldn't work for them because we're fairly relaxed and, and, um, I mean, it kind of appears from behind somewhere.

We don't have a communion table, you know, and, uh, but you know, every church develops its own personality, its own little sacred cows. And that, uh, I bet you anything, if you were to try to change how they did that, it would be a big, oh boy, big discussion. And, you know, here's the thing with communion is I, um, I'm not sure that if I hadn't been to a church where they were giving communion that I necessarily would have read that part of the story and thought of communion as even a corporate thing, as even something that, uh, gathers did on a Sunday morning. Like I might, I, I could see myself reading that and thinking when you eat, you know, when you drink, you know, including that, those types of things as part of the remembrance, you know, as often as made sense when you were drinking, cause I mean, it's not like he had those things shipped in. They were eating those things anyway. Yeah. Yeah. It was part of their meal.

Yeah, exactly. Um, and so, you know, I'm not even sure I would have come to, if designing Bible based, you know, following Christ thing that communion would even even been in my corporate church worship. I don't know. Uh, had I not seen it before, whether they would, I would actually have done that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, you look through the Bible, there's very little about what actually takes place like any worship service there's, I mean, you know, you, you get a little glimpse of others, you do some singing and, and, oh, there's some praying and, and, but yeah, there's no like, well, here's what you should really do this, this, this in one verse. Yeah. You know, so yeah, you kind of take little places. Well, when they got together, they, they broke bread. And so I guess we'll do communion.

Yeah. Well, when they got together, there was some apostles teaching and, you know, acts, acts, uh, two 42, you know, it talks about that whole, they, they dedicated themselves to the apostles. Yeah. You know, the prayer, the breaking of bread. Um, so that's kind of where a lot of that stuff comes from. Well, you know, and, and it's, it's not, um, you know, I think it's effective. Uh, the community is effective. I think from a, like from an every Sunday thing. Yeah. Um, only because it, it, um, it reminds you at the core, I, one of the things that I, I've been thinking about lately is how often, how often like even a, even a church message, uh, whatever. I listened to a lot of guys during the week talking and like how much of them is like, here's your basic message of, uh, of salvation and, and, and, and Jesus work and the basic nature

of our relationship with God and Christ and everything. And then they're preaching like, hold on. You can't see it. Here's the basic level. They're preaching like up here. And so like the guy that's new or the person that's, uh, you've never been to church before or, or early on the faith or someone who thinks they've got to figure out, but you know, maybe missing, uh, base principles. I feel like they might be missing. They might be missing this. And it was weird. I went back and listened to whatever I've preached a few times this year and I think I even saw that on a couple of, uh, of mine as I thought, you know, we, I might've skimmed over the basics just a little bit. Does it, you know, was it take to divert two seconds to say just to, you know, let's remember where we're at and why we're even talking about this level.

It is because this is important and this gives context and helps us to understand and helps us know how to live our life. And it's totally appropriate. Um, but I, you know, even there I thought, you know, maybe, maybe it just needs to be a little bit more, make sure those basics are showing up for people, even people that are seasoned because then they get, they get lost in this, they forget this, they get lost up here and I, and, and their, their life goes a weird direction. It was really challenging. You know, we just went through the book of Hebrews through the summer and there's so much backstory with every verse you read in Hebrews, the, the, the, the, the original audience just knew this stuff, you know, they didn't have to sit there and have a lesson on it cause they were living it, you know? Yeah. And, and it was a challenge every week to come into this, looking at our, our setting at pathway and there's a lot of brand new believers and there's a lot of people who've been around for a long time in the faith and some of those people know the backstory, you know?

Yeah. And a lot of them, you know, you can't just say, Oh, you know, the story of Samson, you know? And you go on with the thing cause there'll be a good chunk of people going, I don't know the story of Samson. Right. Or they remember the flannel graph Sunday school when they were little kids and that story wasn't even accurate. Right. Have you ever noticed when you grew up that you actually read the Bible? Some of the Sunday school stuff was like, wait a minute, you know, that's not how I remember it. You know, Samson was kind of a, he was kind of full of lust and killed himself at the end. That's, that's not a way to go. Yeah.

I mean, you know, um, it's kind of a different flavor when you, when you actually read it as an adult. We've been, uh, me and my, uh, and my oldest daughter, I haven't been going through some children's Bible stories and I, and I pretty much every time we introduce a guy at the end, uh, and what if she's, she's just now five, but like, it ends up being King Saul, you goofy guy, you don't say like, Oh, King Saul, man. I got, Oh, King Saul totally sucks. Yeah. Like, I mean, he totally screwed. And then David, Oh, David's going to know David sucks. You know, like everybody gets in there and I thought it was perfect and they rock and then they stink. Yeah. You know, and, and every, and I was actually getting, we ran through, um, there's a, there's a section in there, uh, just before Saul, it's like everybody. And then he hit Saul and David and Solomon and like, they're all great.

And then extremely disappointing. And like, you can't find a redeeming guy in a lot of them. Yeah. And, and it's, it's, it's hard to like now that just a running joke is these people are goofy. Are you supposed to do what they did? No. Why were they doing that? I don't know who prays to wood. You don't say like, and, uh, I don't know. It's just, it's, it's weird. It's, it's weird discussions, but you're right. Cause people have, um, even, even people who didn't grow up in the church have a rough idea of David and Goliath. Like they get the, you know, big versus little. The problem is, is that they, they, they find, um, the inspiration people find in that story

is David, the little guy is like, Oh, that could be me. I could be David. Not God will help the little guy. They think, Oh, David was a man of brave. Yeah. No shock. And, and, and all those stories are pretty gory. You know, the David and Goliath, I mean, he cuts his head off. Oh man, that's fierce. And, and holds it up and like, yeah, look at this. You know, then they parade around with it. It's like, and it got smelly after. I mean, you know, there's just a lot of things that they, they kind of brush over it. Of course your kids, you're not supposed to like gross them out, I guess, but yeah, but you get the total positive sides of, of all the, all the Bible characters. And then you, you grow up and you're thinking, man, I could never live up to those guys.

And you kind of feel a little intimidated. And, and then you start actually read it for yourself. You go, uh, I think I actually have something on them. Yeah. Not all of them, but you know, I had, uh, yeah, I'm not half as messed up as some of these guys. That's right. That guy's crazy. I'm twice as messed up as some of them, but, uh, you know, so yeah. All right. Well, you're listening live from the path. Uh, you are joining us on a very exclusive and intimate night with Ben and Dan coffee, but Ben and Dan, we just have, we don't have coffee, little chat, uh, Mike Foost, I think is up against the deadline of getting his house finished. So I'm pretty sure he's doing something house related. We should have been out there helping him tonight.

I know. Uh, well, let's talk about Jesus. We don't want to do anything. Just, just bringing people to Christ. That's all. That's all. That's all we got. Um, I see we're not back out on the sign, Dan. We were, we were promoted last week. It's a good thing. It's a low rent show. Right. Yeah. That's probably good. You know what? I don't know how many people drive by the sign and think, Oh, I better remember that website

and then go home and, you know, I, but I, as I think about it, I, I'm, I'm thinking that if people are, um, they're new to the church or they've not, you know, they'd see the sign and finally figure out what this building is here. Yeah. They might check it out. Possibly. They might come by and check it out and say like, I want a live show. We should have. Did you, uh, notice a bump in traffic last month, last week? I mean, yes, but I think it was, I'm guessing that was we earlier. I think it was us. Pretty sure. Maybe it is. Maybe very much. Man. I'll tell you what, hold on a second.

I just need to check a quick, uh, yeah, here. Yeah. Okay. So, so here's what I have trouble. So there, we had some enthusiastic chatters last week. Oh yes. And, uh, yeah, I'm not sure I'm going with this except to mention that, uh, I, uh, chat, thank you for being polite, uh, last week. Uh, we have some people who just like, uh, I'm not sure we're engaging in the conversation where they're engaging in their own conversation of which they were the only one talking. Uh, and that's pleasant. Uh, but, uh, it had nothing to do with what was going on in the show. Yeah. It was just like, so what are you having for supper? Oh, green peas. Here's the deal.

And I get, we run like a, a relatively low scale operation, but like, would you, if you were standing, let's say watching a, uh, uh, at the fair and Ed Wilson is out there and he's given the weather. Would you be like, Hey Ed, tell him you saw Billy at the fair. Like it's pretty hickish. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hey man, will you tell him that Johnny said hi? Okay. Hi Johnny. Could you tell John Bachman that I like his ties and his partner's hair? What does he use? I mean, does he use gel? Looks like ladies product. I said hello.

I mean, even 15 seconds to like have one guy converse with another guy when there's 80 other people watching. It just seems a little weird. Yeah. Uh, Hey, speaking of which, here's something weird about the guys. So, um, it was, I feel bad. I forgot his name. It's one of the guys from earlier, Leo. Uh, I, they were at the show on Thursday night and he was wearing like stark white pants. Oh yeah. What, what do you mean? Now listen, listen here, JC. I, I, I'm not thinking highly of the show. I said it's a low rent operation. Did I not? I introduced it as a couple hacks in here.

I've at best. That's on a good night. I've explained it truthfully. But what I'm saying is, is it does take a little bit of, uh, self-centeredness to, to walk in on something. And like, you see eight people talking other people on the chat, other people that will see it later and you say, Hey man, I want you to take X number of seconds or minutes out here to talk with me only. It's just, it's just weird. Why won't they answer my questions? Yeah. Yeah. Speak with me. That's all. That's all I'm saying. Now we're no Ed Wilson.

He's got a dedicated. Here's the deal. Ed Wilson, uh, he's talking about things that people want to know. Maybe that's our problem. We're not talking about the right thing. We should talk about the weather more often. Yeah. It's pretty nice. It's going to be cool the next few days. That's right. I hear coming up on, uh, uh, what was a high, uh, low of, uh, low of 75 tonight coming into your Tuesday here in the Des Moines metro area. You'll be seeing a, uh, wait, get the kids. I don't know how they, I don't know how they do this. Uh, get your kids ready for school. Uh, early morning forecast be 58 degrees, bundle them up.

They need a jacket. You know what drives me crazy about the weather? Yeah. And because they, in about the first 45 seconds, they say it all, but then they say it all like four times. Yeah. And they do it in different ways. And I'm like, I got it the first time. And then they do a little, you know, I was like, no, really, I want you to really catch this. It's going to be 78. Yeah. And it'll be 78 tomorrow. And they'll say it again. Oh, and tomorrow 78. I'm like, they just got to have their face time, you know, because everybody has to have

their time, I guess. Cause then they get into all this stuff. I don't even know what they're talking about. I don't know. Metric pressure is blah, blah, blah. You know, I've never understood that. There's one guy, he's, he's 68 years old. He's had a barometer in his house since he was 25 and he loves it. Yeah. And Ed, he mentions the barometer. He's like, you know what, Ed, I already knew that cause I got a barometer. Yeah. Yeah. My dad did the same stuff. I kept telling him, okay, dad, tell me what this is. Oh, blah, blah, blah.

He tell me, I never, I've never gotten it. Doesn't make a sense. Just tell me what the temperature. I don't care what the pressure is or it's a hot or cold over shorts or pants tomorrow. Exactly. Like that's, uh, he's telling you how he forecasts the weather. It's like, I don't, if I, if I needed, if I knew how to forecast the weather on my own, I would get my own barometer and I would do, I wouldn't be watching you. I would just do it on my own. Or it's a guy who says I can forecast the weather. I just, I'm missing one piece and it's the barometric. Yeah. Just tell me that. And then I'm going to shut it off. I'm going to figure it out on my own. Trying to decide.

No, no, not with that barometric pressure. I don't, it's not going to happen. That's dangerous. So, so, um, speaking of, uh, Bible story. Yes. So if you had to choose, I did, this was on the, uh, um, stuff Christians like blog this week and I didn't bother reading the responses, but I thought it was an interesting question. The question is what Bible story would you like to see as a movie? And I think I'm going to qualify it by saying what Bible story would you like to see as a movie done honestly, done correctly. Yeah. Uh, cause you get a lot of, even Christian movies are bad at this and it irritates me because it takes like the lady that does the flannel graph and then asks her to write a script and then it, right, you know, glorifies the wrong things and takes the focus off where it should be. So, and then Hollywood's like, like changes things just for the sake of changing them

that, that you're just like, what? Uh, why did you say he's his cousin and he's his uncle or, you know, just something that's like, really? I mean, what was that? That changed the story somehow. I was like, well, what did you do that for? Okay. Uh, chat, this is open to you too. Uh, so what Bible story would you like to see as a movie? Yeah. I don't want to tell you, J.C. If your mom was a flannel, I'm sure she was wonderful. Are there more men or women on, on the chat tonight? Cause that'll determine on what the, the Bible story is. I think there's more, I think there's more ladies. Okay.

Um, and he's pants and J.C. versus the world. I, I'm trying to, it's, there was, uh, I, I think if you could find a way to, to do well, um, uh, Saul to David to Solomon and, and do it, find a way to do it in one movie because there's just a ton. I mean, there's, there's a, there's a fathers and sons in there. Uh, people vying for the throne, uh, respecting, disrespecting God, like doing stuff that you're not supposed to. I don't know. There's, uh, I think that you could do that, uh, truthfully and, and, and get it cool. I think that'd be pretty neat. Yeah. I think so too. It could be a mini series. Yeah. Let's do it.

Okay. We're going to write one up. I think there's some, some cool, um, stuff with, with like Gideon. Yeah. Um, I mean, there's a lot of old ones that are just old, old Testament stuff that like in the judges and stuff that are really, really, I think some cool stories. I'm trying to think of Jephthah. Isn't he the one? That's the guy that promised his daughter. Yeah. I mean, how are you going to, boy, they have everything. Oh man. Uh, and it wasn't, he the one who was like the lowest of the lowest clan, blah, blah, blah. You know, he's the loser. He can't do it. And, and so that'd be a pretty cool, pretty cool.

Wait, that's Gideon. Gideon was the way there's Gideon. Gideon was hiding. He was the guy that was hiding away. Okay. Yeah. I was confusing Gideon and Jephthah just now. I was kind of doing a quick search and I'm like, uh, which one is it? And it, Jephthah was also a loser though. Like he was, and then God sent him to do something. He was the guy that wasn't he the guy that was living with the priest or shack, having a priest live with him as Samuel. Uh, no, no, no. He has a whisper. No, no, no. Okay.

No. Although I like that too. That's funny. That's a, that's, yeah, that's funny. Hey, here I am. Eli, he's waking Eli up. That's funny. No. Oh, okay. We're going to have to look up Jephthah. But I, like, I remember the end part of the story, but there was, he also was like a Gideon type of guy, if I remember correctly, where he like was not anything to call home about, and then he finally does what he's supposed to do, and God pulls through for him, and then he ends up having to give his, like, sacrifice his daughter. Yeah, because he made this, this, uh, rash vow. Okay, God, if I win this, this battle, then the first thing that comes out of my house,

I will sacrifice. And he's probably sticking, uh, that one goat, I never liked it anyway, you know, or a chicken is going to come out. And it's his daughter. Yeah. And, and I, what do you think about that? I've always struggled with that. I mean, you kind of get the impression he went ahead and sacrificed. Yes. And did that, did that honor God because he fulfilled his vow? Did that dishonor God because he murdered his daughter? I, I think it, I think it dishonored God. Um, I think. I think the vow dishonored God. I think the vow dishonored God. Right.

He should have kept his mouth shut. Exactly. Like, he made, he made the mistake. And now, you know, the thing is, is I'm not sure, I'm not, it doesn't make sense to me to say that, Lord, if you do this one thing, I will sin as my, as my sacrifice to you. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's, that's not going to work. Oh, I'll, I'll cuss all day long tomorrow if you just do this for me. Yeah. What? Yeah. And it doesn't matter whether you get enjoyment out of it or not. It is like, I don't think, I don't think that is honoring to God. And I think maybe that was a, um, uh, shows a little bit of the, of the mentality that was there that was, I think, a misunderstanding. I think, and, and the, the Bible records certain things for a reason.

And I, and I think we need to understand the, um, uh, the, the appropriate wrath of God when, uh, in, in circumstances. Yeah. Um, but, but I think maybe, um, he is mistaken in that, that he missed it. I don't think he should have gone through with it. Uh, and maybe that's on his own head. Did, did he think he just wasn't going to win? Yeah. I mean, yes. But, but, but I mean, it, would you, I don't know. That doesn't sound right. You offer up your daughter to do so. Well, of course he didn't really. He just said the first thing out of the door. And, and he's just a dummy. I mean, what, what do you, what do you think?

And when you, when you come home from battle and of course your daughter's running out, daddy. Yeah. Uh, sorry daughter. I mean, he, his heart had to sink. Oh man. I mean, he knew he just ended his daughter's life. Well, I mean, he probably, so actually maybe I'll, I'll put it this way. I think he's, I think he's extremely selfish when he's dumb for having made the rash. Yeah. Making a promise to God at one that you, that was just, that was just lack of forethought. But like, he's also selfish because like if, if he had the option to either, I fulfill my promise to Christ or to God, or I kill my daughter or I sacrifice my daughter to make it true, I don't know that he should have just taken whatever wrath was due to him. How would God respond, do you think? Well, I mean, I think God, uh, I think an honest God would have to, I don't know, take

it out on him, drop a rock. I, you know, I don't know. I just think he put himself in a very bad situation. I can't remember how to spell Jephthah. I think it's J-E-P-T-H-A-H. I wasn't putting an H on it. Okay. That's my problem. I kept trying to, I'm like, I can't even find it. I do this for a living. Tell me software. What will I say today? It still doesn't find it. J-E-P-T-H-A-H. Okay. I'll have to use Google.

It'll correct it for me. Chat's been throwing in things. Creation. Steven. You know, Steven, uh, that it would be, it would be interesting to, here's, here's what I think, here's what I think these things where people don't do these is because I think it's difficult to find a way in a, in like a movie perspective to, to portray God correctly. And you'd have to come up with a lot of backstory to come up with like a full length movie. Yeah. Yeah. For. For Steven. For Steven. I mean, you could probably take some of the facts at the time and probably come up with Of the culture, yeah. Pretty close.

Yeah. Which is appropriate. One of, this is actually something that, um, uh, my wife and I were talking about is, is we were actually at a disadvantage scripturally, uh, compared to the people at the time because like, you know, the women issue was, uh, is, is a, is a good one is, is there's, there's cultural context to some of the stuff that Paul writes about. Yeah. And they just knew it. And, and, and, right. And so we, we look at it and we say, well, you know, I have to go outside of the Bible to understand their culture. And that's not wrong. Cause that's, that's, that's history. Sure. Um, and, and it's appropriate to do so. So, but like if you, the people that he was writing to, he's writing a letter to, to Timothy

or to the, the people at Corinth or whatever, they're living in that time. They, he didn't record it because they didn't need it. Yeah. Um, and so, uh, although you do have to, you know, go outside of the Bible to, to understand certain things, uh, or to get the cultural context in, in, in some of those areas, there's, there's nothing wrong with that to, to understand the culture. Now you're not looking for moral guidance from the culture, uh, but, but it really isn't an issue to have to go outside the Bible to understand the culture. But you know what the challenge of that is? I think these days is you've got to just, you've got to be careful what your source is because people, you know, the whole rewriting of history that you're a liberal theologian, you're going to rewrite a few things in order to bend it toward your, your liberal theology as opposed to here's just what the history was. Right. And that's, that's sad that when a culture that has changed things for their agenda, that's pretty short sighted, you know, if Jesus doesn't come back 300 years from now,

they'll look back and say, now, okay, what really was, you know, what was the history? Yeah. And of course, what do they say to the, to the victor? You get to write the history books. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, well, and you know, and not, not to be the, the, the heavy on this, but like, but that's the success of, uh, of Satan. It's the success of the sin in the world that you have to read, you know, seven different histories and try to figure out what is truth and what is not truth. Like, yeah, ultimately the presence of, of lies or confusion in, in a historical record is, is a, is a success of Satan in the world. And we say, well, that's not fair. Why would God? Well, I mean, it's sin that's caused this, uh, this to be the case in our world. Um, and it's, and it's, it stinks. It stinks.

It puts us at a disadvantage of being able to identify the truth, which is why, you know, on certain things you, you know, you take the Bible and I, and the women thing was, was, was one of the things that I was there with is like, I will take that literal until I am comfortable that there's a culture thing that makes it so that maybe I'm not understanding it correctly, but like, I'll start with what I know to be true. And then if this is what it says, yeah, you know, yeah. And if we can come to a spot where, where, you know, reason people can, can look at you and we can discern truth, uh, prayer or, or, and reading and whatever, and feel like that culturally, I think this can be a little bit different than how we were reading it. I think that's okay. Um, but, but I, I think, yeah, I think to be safe, you have to start with literal and then, and then move. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Like, and you know, there's so much that goes into reading scripture and figuring out what it says, because you've got to look at who was written to, what is the, what is

the timeframe that was written? What was the, what was going on in the context of the culture that, yeah, there's so many things to look at. Just little things like the Christmas story that, uh, just blew me away when I, when I became older adult and started reading history and so forth. You know, you always see the Christmas cards of the three wise men, you know, and you start reading the, really what that probably looked at. The Bible doesn't say that there were three wise men on camels, you know, and you find out that like from, from, from historical, you know, if they're coming with these gifts to a king, they're probably more than just a little tiny box, you know, it's probably like major stuff. Yeah. Solomon, they brought shiploads of stuff to, to Solomon, you know, like, here's a gift, here's a king, we're going to honor you. We don't know if they had shiploads, but it was probably a caravan. They were probably riding stallions because that's what magi, you know, they probably came

in and, and quite a horde of people into Jerusalem. That's why it caused such a stir because who are these foreigners coming in looking for a king and, and Herod's not it. Yeah. You know, I mean, it wasn't like three guys humbling. Oh, sir, Herod, we found the king, you know, or we're looking for the king. Yeah. It caused a stir because it's huge caravan of people with this very expensive gifts came in looking for this king that was born. You know, Herod didn't have any kids that night and, or well, a couple of years later, you know, you put all this stuff together. It totally changes the feel of the story and the Christmas card looks a lot different. And in that case, I don't know if it matters, you know, it doesn't like change the Christmas story, but, but you do that with every thing you read, we put it through our own filter of current culture because that's all we know. Yeah.

You know? Yeah. Well, and you know, and I think that's, that's one of the benefits of getting, of whatever, ever hearing a, hearing a sermon at church or, you know, hearing people talk about Christ and hearing, and doing Bible studies and stuff is like, I mean, can you sit at home and read the Bible and, uh, and understand the, your relationship with God? Yeah. Yeah. You know, but, but you, you start to learn more and more, um, you know, of the details of the context of the culture. And then you start to recognize, although it's not exactly what your life looks like, it, it does start to make more sense. Because, uh, you know, like Herod's, Herod's, you know, the way he's acting towards Christ, I mean, he's upset when it starts because someone else is, is being served and not him. Yeah. You know, I, I mean, do you recognize that you might get upset if someone was supposed

to serve you and they wouldn't serve somebody else? Yeah. You can recognize that. And you can, you, you know, you start to recognize his place in it and, and, and God's place in it and Christ's place in it. And, you know, um, I think that that depth starts to, to help you to understand the humanity, uh, what your life looks like in that context. And then ultimately what your relationship with God looks like in those contexts. I love that. Well, you know, and you look at like, look at some of the practical scriptures where people kind of discuss sometimes where women are not to like wear braided hair and jewelry and, and, and people say, see, see, you shouldn't be going shopping and stuff like that. Well, it's the culture you look at the, well, that's just what prostitutes wore. So the message is don't look like a prostitute, you know? Yeah. And, and, and so that's where it gets important to look at the historical context and, and

get the message for, for what God's, what is God saying to us today? He doesn't care if you're wearing earrings to like, you know, uh, there's earrings in the church, you know, get them out. Yeah. Right. I see that braided hair. Get that four year out of here, four year old out of here. It's like, if you're dressed in there like, uh, uh, you know, Lady Gaga, then, you know, you got some parenting issues you got, you got to work on. But that's what he was saying. Yeah. So Paul Reiser for Steven, the guy's going to be, going to be martyred. I don't know if you could take Paul Reiser seriously in a role as Steven. Here's, and here's the deal. So one of the, uh, Woody Allen's Judas. What was the, one of the other suggestions for the chat was, uh, was creation.

And here's the deal. You get some, when you get Christ followers that are artistic, like you get some pretty cool people and then you get some weird folk and, and, and the guy that makes a movie on creation, like I could see a real trippy thing to go watch. Yeah. Who, who's trying to put down the creation of the universe in, in film. And I, here's what I think. I think you could probably, if you've got a group of 20 guys in there, like hard, like decent, uh, uh, video guy. Okay. You probably get one film that was like awesome. Yeah. And you get 19 things where you feel like you've done overdose on tomato juice and you, and you have no idea what you just saw and it'd be really creepy. Yeah. I don't know that there's, there's, there's a lot of cool art being made by Christian

folks, but some of it is just trippy. Yeah. And it's real. And it creeps me out. And they're the people who I got to lean in when I want to lean back. I got to lean in and say, we believe the same thing, brother, but you're creepy. You don't like what you're doing. All right. I don't know anything else, Chad pants. What do you, where are you at? What do you want to see? What do you want to see on screen? You see a lot of Jesus, uh, you know, it'd be weird, but I'd like to see, um, I'd like to see the G like some of Jesus's stories without the crucifixion. Oh yeah. Um, I think that I think it says ministry.

Yeah. It'd be interesting to see just how he deals with people. Um, even when I was, uh, there's a lot of reminiscing going on tonight, but like, I remember being, being young enough to, to like read Jesus and like, like you, you read a situation. It's like, what is it like, really? What is he going to say here? Cause like there's, there's been some times when he's just plain trapped, he's trapped and, and, and you're saying, and he say something, you're like, that was the perfect thing to say. I don't ever come up with that. I don't ever say the perfect thing. I got two hours airtime. I can't put a decent sentence together and say something perfect. And then crisis, he's nailing it every time. And you're like, yeah, that was dead on perfect.

Like, yeah. So, so why does Hollywood, I didn't realize they're trying to create this look of deity or something, but they always look like he's like, he's drugged out, you know, at least like the, the, the old movies do or, or else either that or he's like the candy man. You know, he's got this, oh yeah. I'm the shepherd boy, you know, come on. And there's no like, although the passion, I like the passion, although he was kind of creepy too. He's always like, well, cause one of his eyes were orange. He had one orange, like I, I, I always, I, after I left it, um, I said the movie was starring, uh, Jim Caviezel and his right, his right eye, his right or left eye. But one of the eyes was just, just like constantly open like this. Like look, always looking up as if he was, it could have been thematic. He was always looking at the father, whatever, but like it was, it was like a weird color. It was an orange colored eye and he was always looking up like this and it's bigger than the other one.

What about that, man? It was kind of creepy. See, they get all artsy and then they start doing, oh, this symbolizes blah, blah. And it's like, can't you just, you just do it. You know, if I was, you know, Joseph, not his dad guy, but just Joseph Jr. Whatever. And I'm watching Jesus go down the street. I probably wasn't going, oh, I see the way his left toe is pointed. You know, that must mean, he just sees another guy who happens to be doing these really cool miracles and a great teacher. And obviously he stood out. But that, you know, it was his, the power of his word that made him stand out and the miracles, of course. Yeah. But they weren't necessarily every day either. Right.

You know, he just did them at the appropriate times to say, oh, by the way, it's time for me to move forward in the ministry and to confirm this is a God thing. And it's so hard for Hollywood to like, dude, read, read the text. It's not that much. It's not that big. You know, there's your script and go. Yeah. Make a run on it. Well, it'll never work. It'll never sell. And, you know, and it's a book. It's weird is like Jesus Christ, Superstar, the musical, which I like. I love the soundtrack to they even do the same thing. You know, is it, is it enough? It's not enough to have Mary. She's got to be a prostitute.

Yeah. You know, you have to imply that there's, that there's something weird about her. You know, Simon, Simon Peter is not only like a kind of a rational guy, but he's leading like a gang of zealots who are, who are trying to, you know, convince Christ to do something that would have true, but like, you know, blown up. Yeah. You know, and, and it's like, why, you know, did you really have to, it was good on its own. Like it's, it's, it's, it's a pretty solid story. It's a good story. It's a solid story. There's a lot of twists and turns and stuff going on in the plot. You could, you could really go places for that, but John the, now John the Baptizer of the movie would be pretty cool. That would be pretty good. John the Baptizer would be pretty sweet and has a pretty, pretty rough ending too.

It does. It does. Well, yeah, that would be pretty cool though. It would be pretty cool to check that. I mean, he's a, he's a weird guy to get in on and completely understand, but like if you can understand that guy, you can get a lot. Yeah. Cause he's a, I don't know. He's a tough character. Cause what do you people think, uh, uh, compare, compare a John the Baptizer to, uh, your polished, uh, TV preacher evangelist. You know what I'm saying? Like that guy's, uh, what, what did Mark was describing him? And like, uh, the Bible says he eats, um, uh, bugs and locusts and honey, right? Bugs and sugar. And I said, the guy's hopped up on bugs and sugar and he's, and he's just a wild man.

And if you look at that guy, that guy's saying, you know, I, I'm the, I'm the one before. Yeah. And the real, the real, the real one's coming. Yeah. That coiffed hair. He's not, he probably doesn't wear shoes, you know, a little rough. Yeah. I love that guy. You know what we gotta do? We gotta get some of these, uh, Bible stories that are, that are written out and some, there's probably some, some materials out there that are like skits and do some of our tales in the path. Yeah. And maybe have like one of our artists, we have some artisty people. Yeah. And that, you know, cause we always use pictures from the illustrations from our, our tales

in the path. Yeah. So we can make our own. We gotta do that. We need to do it. That's going to be awesome. That though. That'll, that'll fly like hotcakes. Exactly. We can control this. Exactly. They just shake the whole, that's kind of powerful. And then God rumbled upon, sorry, see, let's do it. We're going to do something about this. We've got about 40 things we're doing. That's right.

Put it on the list. This will be a good one. We'd really need a big board in here. I actually regret, we come up with cool stuff and then I, I forget about it for like a year later. We need a giant board of stuff that needs to be done. We got to put that blimpy sign up. Hey, here's what we need. We need someone to donate like 50 bones. We need to get a, uh, seven, that costs. That's not so bad. Yeah. So we can get that blimpy sign up on there. See what? We just put it in. We got it.

Well, I won't be able to swim in as much, but it's around. We need to sell some advertising. Hey, blimpies. You give us 50 bucks. Did you know that that Encore pizza delivers? I saw it on their sign. I've never, you know what? I, okay. Now I love Encore pizza. Okay. Matter of fact, uh, unofficially I may or may not have eaten there today for lunch. Yeah. Unofficially. Got it. But it's, it's fairly pricey to go there at night. It is.

I mean, I've done that before. I did see that. It is hefty. And, um, maybe because you get used to the lunch buffet. That's fairly, that's very reasonable. Yeah. And it's a very thin pizza. So you can eat, you can, you can down a lot of pizza without it really can be in a lot of. Yeah. Mass. Yeah. And to buy a pizza, you're like, man, it was 25 bucks and I, man, where's the next one? You know? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Maybe it's different. They have coupons and stuff out there all the time too. So I don't want to, I mean, it's good. Anyway, I wonder how late they deliver. Because if we start fairly late at night and you give them one of those Encore pizzas would be pretty nice. Oh, see, it'd be, it'd be good for this. Yeah. I wonder, how late do they open? I don't know. I don't know about that. I think they're always good. Next time I'm in, I'll have to pick up on a carry on. Howdy Roddy Piper. Is that for John the Baptizer? That's terrible casting.

You need a John Goodman. A John Goodman in the appropriate getup would be a good John. I think he's hefty. I don't think he's real skinny. I think he's got some meat to him. If you're only, I mean, he's not eating much, right? But if you're eating bugs and honey all the time and you're standing around baptizing people. He was a preacher in, oh, brother, where art thou? Where art thou? Did you see that? He was a Bible salesman. That's right. He was the guy that beat up the other dude. That's some John the Baptist moves. Yeah.

I can't believe, I don't think he was too hefty because he's eating locusts and honey. Yeah, but. He was fasting all the time and he was walking around in the water. I think he's a fatty. No, he's not fat. He's a medium build. I think he's medium build. I think he's Gene Wilder really angry. With one eye is going off one way and his hair is crazy. Remember him? Okay, I remember Gene Wilder. I think he's got some, I don't know why. I just, I think he's got some weight on him. Maybe, who was the guy, have you ever seen Bicentennial Man? No. It's got Robin Williams in it as a, he becomes a, he's a robot.

And he lives, eventually he ends up, I don't want to give it away, but anyway, he's a robot. I used to love it. But anyway, there's a guy in there that's like the guy that works on him. What is his name? Anyway, I like him. I think he'd be a good John the Baptizer. You guys take it up. No, Marty Feldman. Is that even a guy? Who's Marty Feldman? Is he on Three's Company? Who am I thinking of? Who was the, who was the landlord on Three's Company? Tripper. No, that's, no, Jack. No, no, no, no, no, no.

No, that's the main guy. Mike, get back to work. That is not his one. Mike's on the chat. Mike. Hey, Mike, just take a paintbrush and paint on the wall. We're going to do Bible stories with illustrations and then tell us later what you wrote. Yeah. And paint on your bedroom wall. Cereal breaking. Cereal. Who is it? Come on, who is it? Anyway, anyway. Keep on thinking of people. That's the question of the week.

Next week, John the Baptizer, the movie, who's the perfect cast member? That's the question. Just think on that. We'll check in on everybody next week. We'll see how the question of the week's going. Richard Gere. No, no. He would be the worst John the Baptizer ever. Yeah. He would oversell it. He did King David. Did you ever see that movie? No. That was actually pretty decent. That was a long time ago, but it was fairly accurate and decent. We need to screen films in here.

We have a TV. We have a big TV. Yeah. All right. All right. Next segment. Jesus film night. Tom Selleck? I bet Tom Selleck would do all right. He's got some meat to him. He let his hair grow wild and… Yeah. We should… Okay. He'll scraggly. Yeah.

He couldn't have been that old, though, because he had to be, like, in his… If he was born six months before Jesus-ish… All right. Is it? Yeah. 29 and a half. Yeah. 29 and a half. So, he's got to be right in that… Who's… Okay. She died. Who's the dude who played the Joker? Bieber. Oh, yeah, yeah. I know who you're talking about.

Yeah. I can't either. Come on. Not… Bieber. Incorrect. You guys are the worst. You know nothing of modern culture. Justin… Or is it Justin Bieber? Yeah, Justin Bieber. Justin Bieber as John the Baptist. Oh, man. That'll be the 12-year-old Jesus. Yeah, there you go. At the temple.

There you go. Don't you know I'd be in my father's house singing songs? And putting them on YouTube? Oh, man. I… You know, should it be… No, come on. Who's the guy? Heath Ledger. Yeah. Heath Ledger. He could have pulled off John the Baptist. He could pull it off. Yeah. I kind of like Tom Selleck, though. Yeah.

He's… He'd have to lose some years. But he would… He would probably do it. Who's a modern… Who could we get to do it? Justin Timberlake? He could… Nah, he's no John the Baptist. That creeped me out. He could be Simon Peter. Justin Timberlake could be Peter. It has to be a totally unknown, though. Let's cast the apostles. Because you look at these… Like when they did the big Bethlehem movie a few years ago with Jesus being born.

Yeah. Mary, the 16-year-old Mary, like really got pregnant out of wedlock. The actress did. And it's like, okay, she's supposed to be the mother of Jesus, and she's out there sleeping. You know, you want to find some people who are actually believers, but hopefully they have some quality acting, too, so… That's the problem. Yeah, that's… There we go. We only have one Kirk Cameron. Yeah. He can't… And Jim Caviezel. You know, Jim Caviezel's cool. He… When I read a story about him one time, where like, he did a scene with Jennifer Lopez.

He was in a Jennifer Lopez movie, and they were supposed to be like in bed. Like, not any action, but just like in bed. And she was supposed to be semi-new. And he wouldn't do it. Really? She's got to be covered up. I'm not going in there. I'm not doing this. I'm not supposed to be… I don't need to be around any of this stuff. That's pretty cool. He's fierce. In that setting of Hollywood, to stand up for some type of standard like that. Yeah, yeah. I mean, because all I've got to do is find… There's 1,400 people who take your job.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know? Semi-new Jennifer Lopez. Oh, yeah, I'm in now. If I have to, you know. Well, right. Because you believe in blaming on work. You know? People are like, oh, yeah, but I was working. You know what? Yeah. Yeah. I've got to do it. It's the art. It's art. Yeah.

But, you know, I read that story about him, and he's a pretty slick character. Oh, so I tell you what. I'm going to extend this then. Next week. I want you to cast your modern-day apostles, and you can use known actors. All right? So, from next week, chat, put together a… Dan, you have to do this too. Mike, you've got to do this too, and I'll put mine together. What modern-day actors would you use to cast for a movie that starred the apostles? And you've got to even get all of them. And you have to use Pee-wee Herman. As one of them. Yeah. That's fair enough. And you can't use…

That's Thomas. You can't use him as Judas. Yeah, he's got to be Thomas. Just because you want to stick him in there. It's got to fit. Or Andrew. Who knows about Andrew? He's kind of the intellectual guy. He's kind of like the quiet… I'm going to permit it. Wikipedia cheating. If you don't know him very well, Wikipedia him. Check him out. See what you think, and then get him together for next week. Harold Camping. That's John the Baptist.

Oh, man. Actually, I can see him doing a real cheesy film of John the Baptist. He's kind of like codgering out. He's got this giant wig on and stuff. Big armpit hair. Man. Anyway, you're listening to life. Did he live, survive his stroke and everything? Yeah, he's still alive. October's still coming up. October 21st? It's still coming up. I haven't heard anything about it this time. No, I think he's out of money. No RVs, no billboards. And can we take our next baptism, please?

Okay, but save it for your dream team, Mike. All right. That's going to be fun. That's going to be fun. I might even send out a newsletter. I haven't sent out a newsletter forever. That might even be worth a newsletter. Your disciple of a dream team. I think that's a good one. That's going to be awesome. Can we show the graphics? What do you mean? You don't get it. All right, so Harold Camping, on his Open Forum show, every call was, after someone got done talking, he was, thank you for calling and sharing, and shall we take our next call, please?

Welcome to Open Forum. I mean, was that, like, the guy's been doing it for 30 years. It's that same, thank you for calling and sharing, and can we take our next call, please? Welcome to Open Forum. Over and over and over and over again. It does never change. It doesn't matter if the guy just got done, like, ripping his head off. Doesn't care. Same thing every time. So that's what it is. That's beautiful. Look at that. Hey, Dan, we can hold this fort down. It's 11.06. That's right. We're just getting warmed up.

I had a list of a bunch of other things that we haven't even got to yet. All right, we're going to go for a little bit longer, and then we're going to ditch out. We haven't even talked about these bracelets. What else? The sanctified bracelets? The sanctified bracelets. No, no, no. Okay. Actually, maybe we don't have them. I guess that's about it. That was a big one. Bible movie. We're going to do John the Baptizer, casting the dream team for next week. What is going on next week? Is it next week?

It's not next week. It's the week after. Just Anderson. We will either have them in studio or hopefully have met with them to kind of talk to her. So here's the deal. Her new CD is out tomorrow. Oh, nice. If you haven't pre-ordered it, her CD is out tomorrow. Like the Fireflies or something like that? Yeah, it's called The Title of the CD is Not What I Thought, which is a song that she played on the show. One of the newest releases is Fireflies. So make sure you go check that. Go buy that. Pick that up. I want to buy one.

Well, my wife hasn't approved the money. But at some point, I would like to purchase one. Or we can hold out and see if we can scam a copy off of them. But that seems pretty low rent. But I'm willing to do it. I think when she comes, she'll sign one for us and give us a shirt. I think if we point out how many people have listened to her music on our show. Yes. We're still tops. We do. That thing's rocking the charts. I'll make sure I get a new microphone thingy for her. Yeah, there we go. That looks high class. Yeah. Anyway, so go check that.

Like, seriously, support her. The CD looks pretty cool. The songs that she's done here are on there. That Fireflies is a solid tune. That's out on YouTube. You can check that out. Yeah, pick that up. Support Jesse Anderson and Jordan. They seem like the real deal. I mean, they're just genuine people. It takes a lot of hard work to make it, quote, unquote, in any music industry. But in Christian music as well. I mean, they're pounding it. They're going to churches and they're going to wherever they can to play. Yeah. And they're not, like, rolling in the money either.

No. You know, not like you and I are. Yeah, yeah, no, no. I mean, we can only do so much. That's right. God has blessed me. It'd be wrong for me to give away all my blessings. But I'll give her $9.95 for a CD. Whatever it costs. I actually meant to pre-order it, but I didn't. I feel bad about that. But, yeah, I mean, they're great folks. We've talked to them a couple times. They played at Pathway. They're in kind of a cool situation because they are their husband and wife team and they have a young daughter, Lorelei, who they take with them. And they're kind of traveling around.

I mean, that's got to be – you've got to be a certain type of person to handle that type of lifestyle. It's hard not to have that type of certainty in your life as, you know, like we're going from here and then I'm going to here and then we're going to here. And they're relying on people to support their music and support what they're doing for God and have them at churches and stuff. Their little girl, she's one or she's two? She was – would she be two? No, no, no, no, no, no. It'd be one. It's close to one because they're like – I know she had a birthday recently. I think it's one. Okay. Yeah, I think it's one. Because think about it. I don't know. I don't want to put words in their mouth. But they probably have a fairly small window.

It's a husband and wife team. When that child gets into school, that's going to slow things down. Will they be able to travel like they did before? Unless they homeschool. Unless they school. Unless they – Oh, there you go. You're one of those smart guys. That's true. I don't know. You almost have to. You would have to. Yeah. If you're going to keep doing what you're doing. Somebody can't stay home. Jordan played – Jordan's the – he's the band.

Exactly. Exactly. So they either got to make it big time so they can start hiring other musicians and stuff. Or they need to, yeah, change their game plan. Yeah. Yeah, I forgot about the whole homeschooling thing. That is a growing, growing, growing thing. Yeah, I'm talking to everybody. Joe Conn, you're the only guy. Go buy that CD. Go take care of it. I think if we all pull together and buy a CD – We can get one. We've got to hold it when we present it to her and say, Can you sign it? We all kind of bought it.

Considering – yeah, we're down to four now on the chat. I don't think – you and I are enjoying ourselves, but I don't think we're pulling them in. We'll probably let it go. Well, so here's – yeah, whatever. Let's just let it go. I tell you what. You've been listening to Life in the Path. We're going to be on next week. There'll be more to do. Yeah. I don't know if it goes half as well as this. That's all right. I've enjoyed it. This is going to make a run for the archives. I haven't posted a video of the show. I'll post this one out there.

People love it. It's going to be fantastic. Anyway, we'll be back next week talking about who knows what. Hopefully something cool happens. I'm interested in the disciple thing. I want to know what's going on. And then I'll – here's the deal with who you come out with. You can get it on – you know, if you go to YouTube and you look for her Fireflies video, I think there's a link in there. Or, you know, on Life in the Path, we posted a live video of one of the songs she did at Spirit Midwest, and there's a link in there that – I think it's Christian Book and Bible where you can get her CD. You should be able to go order it. So if you're interested in doing that, please go do it. Yeah, anyway, so we'll be catching you next week. You've been listening to Life in the Path. Thanks so much for hanging out.

We'll see you next week.