Live from the Pathway Studios in Johnston Proper, you are Live from the Path. And you're listening to Live from the Path. My name is Ben. You can't see me, but I'm here. I'm going to wear your coat. It's going already. I'm going to wear your robe. I'm going to wear… Hey, man, it stopped directly. What happened there? I think it's network problems. Sure. Yeah, it's totally unnecessary. There it is. I'm going to wear your robe, but I'm going to wear your righteous mane everywhere I go. Now my studio faded out. You're listening to Live from the Path. It is a cold, rainy November eve outside the Live from the Path Studios. If you happen to drive by, it just so happens we're broadcasting the show out the window. Yeah. Yeah. So you can look. I can see Charlton's reflection in the window right there. See him up? That's beautiful. You know what Dan's thinking?

Someone's going to steal our TV. I'm thinking we're going to cause an accident. That's what we want. Do we have over 25,000 viewers out our window, which means a lot of people are watching the show. I like it. Yeah, there you go. So anyway, welcome to Live from the Path. Boy, there's a ton going on tonight. We're going to talk about… Mike, nobody cares about that. They do? Nobody cares about that. I want to hear what's up with it. It's a two-minute conversation. No, no. I'll read you an excerpt. I read something from somebody today, and I want to hear your thoughts on it. It better not be Billy Graham. No, it's not Billy. Why? Because if Billy Graham says you can't whack your kids, you're going to stop? Yeah. But he didn't say that, because it's not biblical. Anyway, so I will give you a perspective, and then you can tell me… From the Ben Testament. But I did not write it.

Goodness. And then you can tell me what you think about this particular perspective, where it's coming from, where it's wrong, where it's not wrong. Okay, good. Because one of the things… We're going to talk about spanking, and the question isn't so much, what do you do? But you've got to recognize… Like, are you for it or really for it? Those are the options. Yeah, or like, are you for it and feel guilty about it, right? Like, would you readily say, hey man, I spanked my kids? Or would you, you know, if someone were like, you know, that's just wrong, and I don't think people shouldn't do that, you would just kind of mumble and walk away. No, if they sold a t-shirt and it was reasonably priced, I'd buy it. All right, so we're going to talk a little bit about that. We also, it's been a while, we're going to play a rousing round of Secular vs. Solomon. I'm ready. They're tough tonight. I've ventured into the far corners of the world for the secular, and some of the creepier corners of the world for the Solomon. So that's what's… That's a hint. That's what's going on. What is middle ocean? We're also going to talk a little bit about… Nope, gone completely.

Mike, what else are we talking about? We're talking about get Jesus out of your dreams. Get him into your car. Oh, yeah, I didn't put that. Yeah, that's what we're going to do. Do you get the reference, Dan? Get Jesus out of your dreams? And into your car? Into your car? Not sure I do. The Billy Ocean? Get out of my dreams. Get in the backseat, baby. You can't put Jesus in a song where they use the phrase, get in the backseat, baby. It's more of a metaphor for getting him out of the ethereal and just simple ways to get him in your everyday life. If you really want to see your faith take a more practical turn, like some simple ways to get him started in your everyday life, a part of just morning and night, pray and whatever. You want to see Jesus in your everyday life. Just some things to help get you trained and get you to start moving in that direction. Awesome. Get in the backseat, baby. The Billy Ocean? Nothing? Also, praying for Matt Damon.

There was an interesting article, and I'll give you a bit of it. And it has to do with people praying for Hollywood, like infiltrating Hollywood as a kind of a dark place and specifically trying to pray for Hollywood folk. Correct. Because people don't think they're dark because they make big money and they seem pretty happy. Well, and sometimes we give up on people. Like, you see how they are. These are people where you see more of their lives than other people's lives, and you see them act a certain way in front of the camera or do interviews or whatever, and they look pretty sharp and they hold themselves well in front of a camera, and you give up on them and you say, look, God can't do anything about that guy. He's already set in his ways. He's articulately, he's wrong, but he's articulate about it. He must be firm. And frankly, I think that's true not just for Hollywood, but across the board. You come across the guy who sounds like he knows what he's talking about, and he's dead wrong, but because he sounds pretty confident, you give up on him, you move on. He's stuck in his ways, as if God can't do anything about it. Yeah. And so we're going to talk a little bit about that. I thought that was an interesting article. Good. I love celebrities. Also, big news. We've got something going on on Saturday, and I'll give you the news here within the first 20 minutes of the show.

We're going to be broadcasting live from a particular, from a music event. I'll do a snippet when we get to that segment. Okay. I'll sing it. All right. So that's coming up Saturday. Can't wait. You can still buy tickets. I mean… Look at this. You have to pay to get in. That's what kind of event it is. Yeah. It's not like on the sidewalk like we did last time. Do we need to pull out our media passes? Yeah. Oh, definitely. Yes. Yeah, absolutely. We're going to have to break out our traveling curtain, where we use a curtain as a traveling stage. And we're going to get… J-Roy's going to let's borrow his legitimate light rig. It's going to be nice in there. Oh, man. I want to take the couch.

The green one? I think the couch really sells it. It does? Or a nice rug and some stools or something. We'll do the… We'll talk about it. We'll talk about it. Okay. Also, Harold Camping. Oh, yeah. This guy's classic. See, here's what I've given up on. I've given up on Camping. So, I think this is probably going to be the last week we can talk about this man. He's slowly fading to obscurity. But it's interesting. I've seen a couple articles where he's come out and they say he's repented. And then I look at the transcript of what he said, and I'm not sure that's what I'm getting out of it. Now, I heard this live. I heard his repentance live, and I thought, was that his brand of an apology or whatever? It was terrible. And the only reason I bring this up, not because it's appropriate necessarily for us to judge his repentance or not. That's between him and God. However, I think to recognize what he said and what he doesn't say, lest you get swept

up in a man who appears to be doing something that he's not. Because we do have to be discerning the devil is the father of lies, and it's very tricky. Oh, yeah, he comes disguised as a rich old man who takes money from people based on doomsday properties. Oh, he's real hidden. What I'm saying is, in the mode of what looks like humility and repentance, I think you still need to be careful, even if someone models what appears to be the behavior that we think it is. So anyway, I'll read the transcript of his audio, and we'll take a look at it. Are you going to read it just like him? I don't think I can pull that off. Carlton, do you do a Harold Camping impression? I do not. He does not. Okay. I've not listened to him enough to know. Yeah. I mean, I… Until we take our net call, please, welcome to give me money. I say I haven't listened to him enough. I have not listened to him at all. Zero? Zero times? Never. Aren't you even half interested to see what he's going to do? Not at all.

A false prophet? Why would I tune in? That way you can recognize him. And for an hour, you can go, oh, yeah, he's false. He's already been identified. That's definitely false. Whoa, that's false. That didn't happen. Seriously, that's false. I've never heard a guy so false. Also, and we'll see if we… Hey, stop doing that. What? Oh, sorry. Can everybody see it? It's pretty… That's true. That's pretty funny. We lost our special effects camera. It don't play. All right. Two other things. If we can get to them, we're also going to dole out some advice on dear life in the path. And we're going to see if we can answer the question. If you say, I don't like people, doesn't God know that?

Doesn't he know that me and people don't get along? How can he expect these things from me? He sure does. Because I think there is a certain time where you think, you know, I'm just not a people person. And I'm not sure the Bible plays out that you're not a people person. I think you may have abdicated the throne of people pleasing. And so maybe we'll think through that just a little bit. So that's what we've got going on tonight. That's a ton of stuff, Ben. I know. I don't know. We're not going to get to half of it. I don't know. I think it's an all-nighter. We'll broadcast till we're out of stuff. All right. 10.45. Also, we have a special guest in the studio with us tonight. Rick Charlton's in. Hey, Rick. Hey, how's it going? We're doing good. Thanks for visiting live from the path. Let me ask this question. What compelled you to come in?

Just wanted to come and hang out with you guys and have a good time. It was raining. It was a mistake. Yeah, why not? It looked warm in there. I saw a TV, and I thought, yeah. I'd like to see what those fellows are up to. All right. All right. So let's tell you what, Mike. We'll get this out of the way for you then. Yesterday morning, I was getting a bath ready for the three-year-old. As I was adjusting the temperature of the water, I tossed several of the countless bath toys that live in the tub over to the other end so I could get to the plug. Tegan, this is the name of one of the children, came up behind me, sounding extremely concerned. Stop. Stop throwing those toys. At first, I thought she was afraid it was going to hurt them in some way. Oh, it's okay. They're just foam, I told her. But you should stop throwing them. Why? Because Daddy says we shouldn't throw. Ah, there it was.

I'm not sure what the incident she was referring to entailed, but I'm very certain that he'd asked her to stop throwing only because there was a risk of damage or impalement of some sort. We talked about throwing for a minute, but I'm not concerned. I fully trust that she grows and matures. She'll learn the nuances about throwing. So hitting, however, here it is, is not a gray area. It's black and white. Hitting is wrong. Forcefully striking another person is wrong. Striking someone smaller and weaker than you is especially wrong. There's a reason that hitting someone can land you an assault charge. Being hit is hurtful, damaging, and violating, not just to a person's body, but to their psyche as well. We should all be able to expect personal space and safety, as well as freedom from being harmed at someone else's hand. Don't you agree with me? Ask yourself if you've taught your own children that they shouldn't hit. Ask yourself if you'd sit idly by while your child was striking up here. Ask yourself if you wouldn't immediately react if your 6-year-old were hitting a 1-year-old. Of course you would, because you know hitting is wrong. Perdictionary.com. Hit is to deal a blow or strike. Hold on, fellas. Dan's going to do this one. I'm going to let Dan do it.

Hold on. Here it is. Spanking is hitting. That makes spanking wrong in and of itself, but I want to take it a step further. Not only is spanking hitting, it is hitting someone much, much smaller and physically weaker than ourselves. Say, an average toddler is 25 pounds, his mother is at least a good 5 or 6 times his size, his father possibly 8 times. If you'd intervene when your child was striking a smaller child, and you would, why on earth would an adult striking a child be in any way okay? It's not. Here we go. If you're reading this and thinking, but I'm a Christian, I'm commanded to spank. Spanking's biblical. My answer to you is no, it's not biblical. People use a few different justifications, but the taken out of context scripture most often used to propagate this misconception is this one. Whoever spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him. From Proverbs. The rod referred to in the scripture, as well as the other rod scriptures, is that used by shepherds of that time, which were used to guide and protect sheep, not hit them. And honestly, if you're going to start pulling out Old Testament scriptures to justify your behaviors, then I hope you don't ever braid your hair or wear old jewelry, blah, blah, blah, blah. In any case, as Christians, we are no longer supposed to be living under the old law, but the new one that came with Jesus, which is one of love and freedom.

I want to challenge you seriously to find me one scripture, any scripture, anywhere in the Bible, that even hints at the possibility that Jesus would remotely consider striking a child. If you can bring me that scripture, we can talk. Otherwise, there isn't a conversation to be had. I don't advocate against spanking in spite of being a Christian. I do so in part because of it. Because to be a Christian is to aspire to be Christ-like, and Christ would never, ever hit a child. Fellas, are you serious? Are you serious with this guy? You know what? He can read this letter when his children are calling asking him for bail money. Exactly. Everything's out of context. He's comparing apples to oranges all over the place and making it sound like he's not. He's assuming that discipline, I mean, discipline, the purpose of discipline is to teach a lesson. It's not just to hit somebody. You don't just go around beating your children because, hey, I think I'll go ahead and beat up my child. Yeah. I mean, some people do that. That's abuse. That's a whole different issue than discipline. Discipline is to teach a lesson. A six-year-old beating on a one-year-old isn't teaching a lesson.

They're just being idiots because they're six. They don't know any better. They need to be disciplined. Maybe with a rod. We have rods at our house. Well, so the accusation that rod verse is taken out of context, true or not true? There are some truth to the whole rod thing. I mean, there's just plenty of description of the facts. Have you seen a shepherd guide sheep? If the sheep run away, they get whacked with the hook to get back in line. Like, you guide them when they need guiding, and you correct them when they need correcting. It's the same thing for a child. You guide them when they need guidance, and you correct them when they need correction. I mean, it's not like that – if you take that same example and say that – I mean, what are the instances that you normally spank your kids if you do spank your kids? I spank my kids when they are rebelling, when they are vehemently disobeying. I don't spank them for a mistake. I don't spank them when they've misjudged. I do spank them when they rebel, and when they rebel on purpose. Then they get a spank, and it's not an uncontrolled, yelled, wielding spank. It's a – if you continue this behavior and you continue disobeying, you're going to get a spanking. And then they will do it and look me right in the eye and wait to see what happens. And then it happens, and then they get a spanking. And then it doesn't happen again. But for what he's talking about, that's the same kind of tactic that grows up to be your child's friend. When you want to be your child's friend more than you want to be their parent, that's the kind of stuff that you say. Hurts their psyche, Mr. Christian man?

Your psyche? Are you serious? Is that what we're worried about? I'm worried about my children's behavior and their attitude towards God and their attitude towards life in general. Like how their id feels, I'm not that concerned. Jonathan, you on board with that? Yeah, absolutely. You beat your kids? No, I don't. Well, you know, I'm with Mike. You know, I mean, it is all about control, and we make it a lesson every time. And, you know, then we pray with our kids after it. And, you know, they know that we're loving them, not beating them. Yeah, it doesn't have to be the picture he's painting. Now, frankly, there's a lot of parents that don't know the difference. There's a lot of parents that don't spank under a controlled training-type operation, you know, or a corrective type. They do spank because they got upset, and they don't know what to do. They don't know how to handle it. And so they get upset, and then they whack their kids, and then they, the parent feels better. And that's not the point. Then you're not leading your— There's no teaching or lesson afterwards. You're not leading your children. You know, you're letting your emotions get the best of you, and you're a bad parent. I mean, not across the board, but right there. You're not being a good parent.

You're not being a good example. You're not leading your children like you're supposed to. You're being a person that's controlled by your emotions, and you're failing. You know, and so hopefully you will get a proverbial spanking from the Lord and say, Listen, you know, I didn't raise you to raise my children that way. Let's straighten it up. So, I mean, there's—of what he's purveying, I've seen way more parents that just—that spank out of emotion, and that is not the way to spank. That's not the way to correctively do anything. That doesn't help anybody. No, it's not good for the kid. It's not good for you. The kids don't respect you because they can tell you lost your temper. It doesn't take a 10-year-old kid to figure it out. A 3-year-old knows that you've lost your temper. And there's no lesson to learn from that. No, no. What did they learn, you know? When mom and dad get upset, you know, run for the hills. That's it, you know? And so I see absolutely nothing wrong with spanking your kids. I don't think that you have to spank your kids to be a Christian parent. I don't think you have to spank your kids to be a good parent. I think that if you can find discipline that works, that is not spanking, then use it. Yeah, because not, you know, not all spanking works for every kid. But don't be so fooled into thinking that a timeout covers every kid.

Because there's probably 1 out of 10 kids that's truly affected by a timeout. You know, half of them can sit by themselves and just be perfectly happy. Well, and every child, children are smart. They will weigh the discipline in their mind. Is this worth it? What I'm going to do, is it worth the punishment mom and dad are warning me with? And, hey, if they don't mind the little loan time, timeout's a joke. Right. To some kids, spanking's a joke. I mean, because whatever, I put up a little pain, you know, so you're right. You have to know your child and know what it is that will teach them a lesson. And that's what you use to discipline them. Our girls, we probably really only had to ever spank them maybe twice. I mean, like a real spank where you had to make sure it was memorable. So the next time you brought it up, it would be like, oh, yeah, I don't want that. Right, one of those. But not, you know, abuse. Right. You know, like we used a wooden spoon and it was usually three whacks. Bam. To get their attention. Bam to say this hurts and bam to say I never want to happen again. And it was very calm and it was very, like you said, it was you rebelled. Here's what you did. I'm going to give you this one more chance. Blah, blah, blah.

Okay, let's go over here. We're going to do this. And it was the most painful part was just the fact that I was so calm. And I was like, okay, you ready? You know? Right. And it's, you know, it's hard. I don't know that I've ever doled out an actual spanking. Like my girls are four and one. And I've, I mean, they've gotten a whack before, but it's almost been an attention geter. Yes. Now listen, I mean, I will look them right in the eye and say, listen, if you continue to disobey me, you're going to get a spanking. And I haven't really ever spanked them, spank them. I'm sure they're going to get a couple before their days are done. Well, and then there's like the slap of the hand. Yeah. Oh, I'm reaching for a hot soap. So, you know, yeah, I'm going to give you this slap because that's not nearly as painful as the hot stove you're trying to touch right now. Some things are a protective measure, you know, and you know, that's, that's one of the things that I think people give up to early on is like, you know, those people that count, man, you are just so missing the point. You know, when they say, I'm going to count to three and wait, what happens? Like if your kids do not listen to you on the first shot, you have discipline problems. And that sounds like you're being too harsh on the kids.

You know, like you're, like, like you're not a, you're not a dictator. They got to do what you say. Hey, the thing is nine out of 10 times, it's at a convenience. One out of 10 times, it's, it's important. One out of 10 times, it's do not go in the street, you know, and if they don't listen, you've got big problems. And so, and there's no reason that the other nine times, they can't listen anyway. They're just kids. They don't know what's best for them. It's the same reason that we pray to an all knowing, all loving father every day, because we don't know any better. We at least know that those kids don't even know that they don't even know that they don't know any better. They just run around like hoodlums. And so, there's nothing wrong with having kids that do what you tell them. People think, well, they don't have any freedom and what a terrible childhood. Whatever. What a respectable, responsible adult. You know, what a, what a guy that, well, you know, what some kids that'll, that'll at least understand that, I don't know, the way that it's going to work, because it's going to be like that the rest of their lives. There's always going to be somebody telling them what to do. And there's always going to be good and bad ways to deal with those things. And if you've taught them the good way to handle it, you haven't done them any disservice. You know, you haven't raised any, you know, strict upbringing, terrible kids. You've raised kids that, that understand how things are going to go.

And so, you know, I used to look at it a little different. I'm like, who would treat their kids like that? What a terrible, what a terrible way to grow up. You know, there are no freedom. You know, it's not like they don't ever get to play video games or ever get to hang out with their friends or, but when, when mom and dad say, put your shoes on, we're going outside. That means now let's do it now. You know, there's whatever else you have is not important, but it's just, it's the same way that I hope my relationship with God goes. When God says, Mike wants to do this now, it's not when, whenever I want to, he's not saying it four times. Yeah. I want to give you the opportunity to disobey me for a while and then come along. Yeah. Tell me, that's the thing is if you want to, you want a good biblical example, tell me the Lord Jesus puts up with that behavior. Yeah. Tell me God puts up with that behavior. And he, he does have a lot of forgiving grace that, that when you choose to disobey him, you do still have an opportunity to come back and he will always love you very much like a parent will always love their child. But when, when the Lord wants to use you for something, he says now, and when you don't, he will use somebody else. Moses and Aaron are a perfect example. He said, Moses, I want you to do this thing.

I want you to do it now. And Moses chickened and cowered it out and made all excuses. And he said, fine, I guess we'll use Aaron. Your brother. And it turned out to be a disaster. Aaron screwed some things up and he, he caused a lot of trouble. It's not who God had originally chosen. And the same thing will happen in your life when, if you choose to ignore God. And the same thing will happen with your kids. If you choose not to tell them what to do, when to do it. All right. That guy's a Nancy. You know, children, children, they just absolutely, she's a Nancy. She, she, they, they know exactly how, how far they can stretch something. They know that they're going to hear a warning four times and then they're going to hear mom or dad whine about, you know, come on, do it, come here. Then they'll threaten six times. And then they start counting the three. Well, they already know they have two freebies, one and two, you know. And when is it they usually stop? If you do a three thing, at three. I mean, they stop when they know the consequence comes. And so we create our own monsters and we do that. And then they end up in Cheryl's class in special ed because they don't know how to behave. And there's a bunch of spoiled little brats that she works with that, you know, I'm just like, I couldn't handle it in the public school.

Couldn't do it. Couldn't do a public school. But that's, that's a different story. Well, that's the hard thing, right? As you look at the kids and you're like, I just want to talk to your mom and dad. I love you. I love these kids, but I'm like, your mom and dad need a whooping. Can we go ahead and spank their parents? Man. Seriously. I mean, love does not equal freedom to do whatever you want. That's just, that's the most unloving thing you can do. That's just, in fact, it's kind of sad, really. Yeah. Nancy. Nancy. I'm not sure of her legitimate first name. You could tell it was a whole liberal flavor in there. A whole bunch of touchy-feely garbage. Well, I mean, you know, and even talking about the, when they talk about the verse and said that, that, you know, the, the rod is used to guide and protect, like, that's true, but it's, it is, it is half the story. It's used, like, how it is used to guide and protect is through, you know, whacking. Right. Like, like, I mean. And not, and not all the time, right?

What do you do when the wolf comes? You know, like, try to guide the sheep into safety, and if they don't go, you just guide them a little harder? Yeah, but think about, I mean, even to guide, it takes, it takes something that, that, that rod has to touch the sheep, and if they're not paying attention, it gets a little tap with it. You know what I'm saying? Like, even to guide and protect requires a little bit of an intervention. It's not like the rod works because you wave it around and say, guide, and then, then the sheep go, oh, yes, guide. And when he holds the rod like that, we're supposed to go to the right. So that's what we'll do. He's protecting us with the rod. The thing about, like, you know, us as adults, too, though, I mean, we get the proverbial rod, you know, from God or from life all the time, you know? The kids should count themselves lucky that they're just getting a little spank on the butt, you know? That's true. I mean, if they're going to, if it's going to teach them, you know, to not make the dumb mistakes that we make, you know, as they get older, I've gotten the rod quite a few times as an adult. No, I said this way. You see, Rick, when he holds up the rod and says, protect, all right, you're listening. That's a different kind of prayer, right? Like, guide me, Jesus. Just hit me with something, will you?

I'm too stupid to know the difference. I prayed that way more. In Hebrews, let's say hardship that we have often is the discipline of God. You know, and sometimes hardship is just hardship, but that's kind of hard to know sometimes when you're going through hardship. Is this God, you know, smacking me around, or, you know, is it just life? You know, or, you know, you always get to look at hardship and say, okay, is there something I can learn from? Maybe God is trying to get my attention. I always at least look through those eyes, you know, to try to figure something out, and it's probably something I need to figure out. But, I mean, sometimes. Well, I mean, and actually, that's a good thing, right? Like, if God is still bothering to intervene in your life and reprimand you as a father, I mean, when he just leaves you, turns you over to whatever it is that you're refusing to give up on and lets you swim in that for a while. Like in Romans. Yeah. How's that phrased? Chapter 2. Turn them over into their own lusts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, if God is correcting you, that's some good news. Absolutely. That means there's something worth redeeming there as opposed to, you know what, I've let

that guy go. All right, you're listening to Live from the Path. Hi, Roger. Roger. Harold Camping's home phone number is in the chat in case anybody wants to call him. No kidding. I feel like he's old. Harold, are you awake? And may not answer the phone. What is it? 510-522-3990. I don't have the Skype up, otherwise we could just Skype him. Okay, I'll call him. Let's break. We'll see what goes on. All right. All right. All right, so now that we're talking about it, so here's the way the story comes off from technorati.com. False teacher Harold Camping repents. It is unquestionable from his claims that Jesus Christ was to return on October 21, 2011, that Harold Camping was a false teacher as defined in the Bible. In 1 Timothy 1, Paul wrote to Timothy that he may command certain people not to teach false doctrines. That certain people want to be teachers of the law, but that they don't know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.

However, in repenting of his sins against God, Harold Camping has shown us all that God is merciful and perhaps we could all take a lesson from Mr. Camping's actions. Mr. Camping was just an old man with 90 years of age under his belt who so desperately wanted to see what he had been preaching come to fruition before his earthly death. On Sunday, October 30, Mr. Camping published an audio message announcing, among other things, that he falsely taught many things. Acknowledgement of one's wrongs is fundamental to correcting one's past behavior, whether you are a follower of Christ or whether you are not. It seems all is well. He's turned a corner. He's become a different man. No longer the false doctrine that he had before. Here's the text. We're living in a day when one problem follows another, and when it comes to trying to recognize the truth of prophecy, we're finding that it is very, very difficult. Why didn't Christ return on October 21st? It seems embarrassing for family radio, but God was in charge of everything. We came to that conclusion after quite careful study of the Bible. He allowed everything to happen the way it did without correction. He could have stopped everything if he had wanted to. I'm very encouraged by letters that I've received and am receiving at this time concerning this matter. Amongst other things, I've been checking my notes more carefully than ever, and I do find that there is other language in the Bible that we still have to look at very carefully and will opinge upon this very question very definitely, and we should be very patient about this matter.

At least in a minimal way, we are learning to walk more and more humble before God. We're ready to cry out and weep before God, or, Lord, you have the truth. We don't have it. You have the truth, and this is another place where we have to cry out for. There's one thing that we must remember. God is in charge of this whole business, and we are not. What God wants to tell us is his business. When he wants to tell us is his business. In the meanwhile, God is allowing us to continue to cry to him for mercy and continue to wait on him. God has not left us. God is still God, but we have to be very careful that we don't dictate to God what he should do. There's quite a bit more there. So there's a couple things that struck me. The first one appears that he's not given up yet. That perhaps he's… He's going to revisit it. Yeah. So he was just slightly off. Yeah. I have more notes to look at. Not completely wrong. Just slightly astray. Also, this is funny. So why didn't Christ return on October 21st?

But God was in charge of everything. We came to that conclusion after quite careful study of the Bible. He allowed everything to happen the way it did without correction. He could have stopped everything if he'd wanted to. He didn't say Christ didn't return on October 21st because we were wrong. Christ was wrong because everything in the Bible pointed to the 21st, but God decided not to do that. So he's not saying I was incorrect. He's saying God just kind of changed the plans at the last minute. You know, there's a couple things that he said that really proved to me that the Lord did this right. So he said that God allowed this to play out without any interruption. And I'm pretty sure that God did do that because God could have stopped this at any time and said, look, you predicting that the end of the world is coming at any time is ridiculous and none of your business, first of all. But God allowed it to happen to prove that Harold Camping is a false prophet. He did it to prove that he's got no idea what he's talking about. I mean, it takes a lot of stones to make the predictions that he did and be so totally wrong and then come back in the Lord's name and act like you are doing God's work. And who gives him a letter? I'd like to know what his letters sounded like. He got some nice encouraging letters. It's okay, Harold. Keep doing what you're doing. We're proud of you. Right.

You don't embarrass us one bit. There was a guy that kind of infiltrated the church and was taking pictures. And it's funny because they showed a picture of him doing his show and then of the studio audience. And it's like a family. Four people. And there was this. Kind of like ours? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. No, I'm not faulting the man for the lack of people. But this family was there and they're all wearing these t-shirts about that the end of the world's coming May 21st and then there's this like 11-year-old kid and that guy could not have looked more embarrassed to be there. My mom made me put this shirt on. He was wearing the shirt. She spanked me. I think they only make it. I think they only make like extra larges so it's down to his knee. Everyone's got the same size shirt on and it's like multicolored and stuff. And this kid is just, he's looking terrible. I can't imagine he's any more, you could get more embarrassed than this guy to be photographed in the audience. The faith of a child. So here's the thing and here's where the danger is and why this stuck with me is because there's a lot of this that you obviously could agree with.

He said, his last paragraph was, how wonderful to know that God is still on the throne, that he is King of Kings and Lord of Lords and that he hears every one of our prayers and let's not hesitate. Let's be, if anything, let's pray more than ever for God's mercy and keep praying and God will provide. But God is in charge and we must always keep that in mind. Okay. Yeah. That's pretty dead on except for when you're making predictions in his name. Based on math that you've done. Math. Fancy Bible math. I mean, seriously. That's like saying God's on his throne, but I'll handle this one. You know what I'm saying? When your actions betray your words, it's hard to believe you. Well, and again, it almost comes off as a justification, like, you know, it was supposed to happen right here and that's, and we had it right. Right. But God's on his throne and he can change it if he wants to. God shut it down for a loftier purpose that hasn't been revealed yet. That's what his apology sounds like. Like, God had put this math in the Bible for me to understand and to reveal to you and I figured it out and I did great, but then God changed it so you would, this would grab a hold of you and then he would reveal something else to you, which is totally malarkey. Like, because there's a lot of confusion in there that God just doesn't, he doesn't operate

like that. And wouldn't that mean that, like, the Bible is false? Well, that's what, yeah. I mean, and the Bible is not false. Exactly. Well, they just made stuff up, you know, well, the book of Acts is four letters, therefore there's 400 years plus the book of John. I mean, when that guy came in the studio, he was just rattling, I'm just going, I'm writing stuff down, I can't even keep up with you. We needed a slide rule in here to keep up with it. You're the micro-machine guy. He was, he came in, he was talking super fast and he would link scriptures together that, you know, especially if you have any type of previous Bible knowledge at all, like, you'll hear the verse and you'll, you can think like a half of it, what the main gist of it is. And so you'll take that gist, put the gist into it and you're like, well, I suppose if you put the gist together, that's kind of all right, you know. Well, I mean, and that's the same danger as the spanking guy, like the rod stuff, right? He's like, oh, rod, spare the rod. Oh, Jesus, Jesus wouldn't spank a kid. Well, good night. I got to stop spanking the kids. Jesus wouldn't do it. I bet he would. I bet Jesus would spank a kid if the kid needed to spank it. He spanked adults. Did you ever see the temple?

He tore it up, man. He took a whip. People look at me. That's right. It was gentle Jesus, meek and mild, whatever. Jesus is teared up. He's not going to be bombarded by you. Well, and think of all the guys he fended off. Like, I like the story of when he heals the guy that's at the pools of Bethsaida, right? Yeah. Yeah, okay. So, and you got to know that there's like, you know, 300 or so infirm dudes or whatever hanging around begging to be healed. They recognize this guy. And you got to imagine they're just really coming after Jesus. And he's like, you know, that guy. I'll heal him. Because I do what I want, you know? But it's not like he wasn't under pressure. When Zacchaeus was trying to look in after him, there's people kind of crowding around him. Like, if he was being overwhelmed by folks and weak and pansy-like, they just would have tackled him. Yeah. You know? He's firm.

He holds firm. I don't know where we get this. Just because he wears what looks like a dress, it was common. Yeah, everybody wore this stuff. All dudes dressed like that. You know, they, I don't know, they have, the depictions of Jesus are outrageous. Like, he's super clean. He's got like, I don't know, conditioned hair. It's just, it's a terrible depiction of him. I just can't imagine he looked like that. Yeah. You think he does? Actually, I saw, I saw a picture of, on the front of Urgemeyer's study Bible, and he's way too pasty. Like, there's no way a man living in that climate could be that pasty. No, he's Arabian, isn't he? He's got more of an Arabian comp. Yeah, he's got to be dark, yeah. He shouldn't be man-pretty. No, he's not, definitely not man-pretty. And his beard was well-trimmed. And I feel like, I feel like they just. How did they do that? They just didn't keep it that close to the quick, you know? Maybe they do it like in the cartoons with a turtle. A snapping turtle.

Clean you right up. So, the whole point of talking about this was, the first, the first article, I think they're missing it. I think we have to be more careful than this. We have to be more careful than, you know, Mr. Camping was just an old man. Like, we could all take a lesson from Mr. Camping's actions. He was just an old man with 90 years of age under his belt who so desperately wanted to see what he had been preaching come to fruition before his earthly death. I mean, I don't know that I get that from him. No, no. Listen, there's a huge difference between tripping in your walk with God, like making an honest mistake and saying, God, I failed. I pray for you to forgive me and help me back up. I want to get back on this road. And then taking God's name, piloting something that you've come up with that has nothing to do with Jesus, and then saying that it's God's word, and then running for it to the hills and proclaiming it from the mountaintops, and then totally failing because God had nothing to do with it, and then saying, oh, God's mercy is ever prevalent. You know what I'm saying? It is ever prevalent. That's true. God can forgive. He can forgive camping for this craziness. But, I mean, I don't know. There's a bigger sin here than taking God's name and saying that it's something that it isn't. Like, that's a big deal.

Well, it doesn't seem like he's learned anything. No. What? And, oh, man, I don't know. I don't know. It creeps me out. Dan, isn't there language in the Bible that has real problems with taking the Lord's name, the Lord's, like being a false prophet and saying things in the name of the Lord? Oh, big time, yeah. One of the Ten Commandments. Oh, big time. Well, not the prophet part, but at first, yeah, that's where I was going at first. I thought I was going to say, yeah, I mean, they were stoned. I mean, they didn't really take real lightly to false prophets. Yeah, yeah, no doubt. No doubt. And once they're false, you just don't listen to them again ever. You just go watch. Yeah, they're just done. Right, they're just done. Dan, so what are your thoughts on the – so the chat had a good comment there. It said, it's interesting that Jesus said, so you also, when you see these things happening, know that it is near at the doors. Yeah, I'd have to – is that for Matthew 25, I'm assuming? I mean, some people think that's the end time, some people think that was the destruction of the temple in 68 AD.

I'd have to look at that again, to be honest. I just don't – I just kind of avoid the whole end time prophecy stuff because I think it's all a bunch of stuff we just don't know when it's happening. So I don't get into the details that a lot of people do on it. I just haven't – honestly. Well, and I think a lot of that – for the folks that will look at it and kind of hold your position, I think a lot of times you look at the verses and you're saying – and God's saying – or Jesus is saying, it could just be any time. I mean, seriously, you need to be ready. This is not where – you understand my grace. You've got 60 years to do what you want and then come crawling back and things will be fine. He's saying, look, there's some urgency to this because, frankly, it's almost a spanking, right? Like, I mean, you have to recognize the impacts of your behavior, and I'm not going to give you the window which you'll go and kind of debauch yourself and then come running back because I said, well, you're going to be fine for the next 30 years. And the whole concept of being the time near is we are in the church age, so the whole church age is the time is near. I mean, it could be – ever since he left, he could come back at any moment, which, like I said, and so we've always got to be ready. And that's why I think the Bible's pretty – it just doesn't – for the same reason you said, but, you know, it doesn't say, well, hey, we have until 2041. I mean, come on. We can do whatever we want as a culture and a society. Who cares?

Because whatever – hey, he could be today. The first century church believed that. Every generation of believers since that time has believed that. I believe it could be in my lifetime. If it's not, eh, whatever. But I've got to be ready. I've got to be ready. That was the big warning of the New Testament. Be ready. Yeah. Yeah. All right. We're listening live from the path. We're in studio. So if you're just joining us – Are we 20 minutes in? Oh, shoot. Yeah, we're 40 minutes in. All right, so here's the big news. So here's what you've missed if you're just joining us. You've already missed the spanking conversation. So if you're not spanking your kids, start spanking your kids. If you are spanking your kids, stop beating your children, but go ahead and keep spanking them. Yeah, definitely. All right, brilliant. And we're done with Herald Camping.

I'm hoping that's the last time he comes up. He just popped up on my radar again this week, and then I think we're done with him. So here's the big news. Coming up this Saturday – What are we doing? Continue doing it. Okay. So coming up this Saturday, John Waller will be performing here in the metro area, and we will be broadcasting live from the John Waller concert. It's at a church in Indianola. So I will – It's going to be sounding way better than that. He's going to be at the Indianola Community Church this Saturday. Shows at – is it 7 o'clock? 7. Yeah. Tickets are, I think, 15 bucks at the door. He's got an opening act, and then he's going to be performing. Do we have to pay to get in? No, no. We get in for free. Yes. So we're going to be broadcasting from there. We're going to be talking with John and talking with the opening act, and then there's some – I don't know what else we'll do. We're creating an atmosphere.

Yeah. So we'll be there with all our stuff and make it look impressive. So anyway, it should be a pretty cool show. Come out and support the Christian artists that come into town. We talk a lot about the local artists that are trying to get out and about to the local venues, but we do have some regional acts that are making it into town. The Newsboys will be here in March, and we'll be broadcasting from that show as well. So make sure you free up your Saturday night. Get tickets to the John Waller concert. Like I said, it's – You know, and John Waller's got some very cool stuff going on, apart from his music in general. He's got a Jeremiah thing that he's pushing for marriage. And the Lord's got a lot of cool stuff going with him, and it sounds like he's doing exactly what God's got him doing. So it seems like it's going to be a very cool deal. So hopefully we'll catch an interview with him before the show starts, and we'll talk about that, and then hopefully we'll get to see one cool show. Yeah, it should be good. So, like I said, it starts at $7. If you purchase tickets at the door, they're $15. If you purchase them ahead of time online, you can go to overflowmusic.org. Tickets are $11. That's one heck of a savings, Ben. I know. That's what I'm saying. What's the website?

Overflowmusic.org. I mean, that's a $4 savings for buying them early. That's pretty good. That ought to get a cheap man up out of his couch ready for action. Yeah, so you can also hear more about the show by going to indianolacc.org. That's the Indianola Community Church website. Big John is sitting there on the front. I hope he doesn't watch and know that I called him Big John. I can A, guarantee he's not watching, and B, he loves being called Big John. Those are two things I know. Everybody knows that. And, Jokon, I don't know that we can actually broadcast the show. Like, I don't know that we'll be broadcasting his performance yet. They're checking on that. If we can, we will. But I don't know that that's the case yet. We'll at least be having interviews. I'm just going to say this. It's in his best interest to let us broadcast his show. Otherwise, I will stand at the door, and I will mime exactly what's happening inside the doors. He's going to see your earlier performance of him. While I'm waiting. That was featured in the movie Fireproof. Was it really? Yeah. He's on the mend.

He's awesome. I didn't know. He's on the mend? I didn't say it right. It's best if you just pass it over. Don't point it out. Move on. Things were terrible, and then things seem to be going better. For heaven's sakes, man. Move on. Didn't he specifically say he wanted to come to this area to be on live from the path? He did. He did. He says, I'm on the mend, and I need to go on that show. All right. So anyway, John Waller, make sure you – I'll be talking about him later on in the show just to remind you. Sorry. Oh, man. Sorry. I keep getting excited. Hey, that's what happens when I get jazzed up. Let it go. It happens when I get jazzed up. Anyway, it's $11. Buy before you go. You can check him out.

He's also handsome. He's a good-looking fellow. Oh, for heaven's sakes, Ben. Ben, sorry. Will you pass on? I got to get people – Seriously, everything was going fine, and then you hit the table and called him handsome. I got to get people in the door. He's good-looking. He's wearing a Henley. A no-collar Henley. All right, Ben. Charleston, you own a no-collar Henley? I do. What is a Henley? It's a baseball shirt. Yeah, yeah. For people that don't play baseball. That's why I don't know. Also, if you're free – Double J, are you playing anywhere? Did you – yeah, I know. I get that you're local. Do you have anything going on that we can share with the people? All right, think about it. All right, so let's talk about this metanaming business. So there's a – there was a – on a – there's a cultural – like a Christian cultural blog,

and they were talking about praying for Hollywood. And the question is, what if we view the entertainment industry as a mission field rather than a battlefield? And the basic blog post was about someone who – this lady was an actress, and she thought, you know, I'm going to get in there and I'm going to pray for people, and it never really took off. But she ran into a producer who's a part of an organization that's called the Hollywood Prayer Network, and they pray daily over the people working in the industry, not only those that are far from Christ, but for other missionaries that are there. You know, and they basically kind of – they'll walk the studios and kind of pray for people over their lunch hours and stuff and kind of just be witnesses in that arena. And, you know, one of the quotes there was this woman kind of talking to this producer lady, and he told her about a dream that she'd had where she dreamt that Matt Damon had become a sold-out, on-fire, powerful Christ follower. And he was turning Hollywood upside down, and the really cool part of the dream was that she was the one that led him to Jesus. But then after she kind of, you know, they laughed, like, ah, you know, that's not happening. But she realized that the dream could actually become a reality. She could be involved in Matt Damon finding God, so now she prays for Matt Damon. And it was – the interesting thought for me was is that I think there are times that we bow out. We cede parts of the culture or we cede ground to certain people because they seem confident or set in their ways, and we forget that it's not a how can I convince you. It's a God does what he wants. And if God wants Matt Damon to turn himself into an on-fire Christ follower, it will happen. That's very similar to what we did when we rented a room at the National Atheist Convention. Rather than protest and scream and holler and fight, we just went in and prayed. I like it. Yeah, so I think the thought then is to – you know, a lot of times we pray for people that we're close to and say, you know, how can I influence this person's life? How can I, you know, be a part of, you know, helping them find Christ?

But I think there's probably something healthy in thinking a lot broader than that. You know, and it could be people in Hollywood. You know, that's kind of the focus of this post, and I get that part, and that's cool. And it could be, you know, pick some guy you like to watch in a movie, but you know he's probably not a Christ follower, and pray for that guy. That's cool. But it could even be kind of an in-between, not the guy that you're going to run into at work, but you – there's someone that you met or that you know in the company that's three rungs up, and, you know, you don't think that they follow Christ, and you just pray for them. You may not have any intervention with them at all, but God will do what he wants. And I think, you know, thinking a little bit more broadly that we can be a part of changing people's lives simply for, you know, throwing it up to God and saying, look, I'm thinking about this guy. I've done that in a movie before. I mean, I can't say I do it often or anything, but there's been times I thought, man, this guy's a fruitcake, and it's like, okay, I just need to pray for him. Now, see, I always go the other way. Like, I see somebody that I think is really cool, and I'm like, Lord, help that guy to know Jesus. He is awesome, but I don't think he knows Jesus. I think that about Denzel Washington. I see Denzel, and I say, Lord, I hope he knows you because he is awesome. And you want to spend heaven with him. I hope Denzel is up there because he's way hip. I'm that way with Johnny Depp. Yeah, Johnny Depp. He wears a Henley, definitely. No undershirt Henley.

Yeah, he's gross. Here's the deal. I can't pull off a Henley. There's a lot of things I can't pull off, and a Henley, especially a no undershirt Henley, I can't do it. It's mostly because you're mountain physique. Yeah. That's your belly when you get back to the middle, and then it's straight down from there. Tree trunks for legs, you. I didn't realize that was that way. Yeah, you look like a Weeble with an anorexic top. All right. All right. So anyway, I thought that was interesting. I thought of thinking a little bit outside of our normal boundaries. Does that mean we should go meet celebrities? Here's the thing. I could never be part of this network because I would be awestruck by people. I'm still taken by people. I pray for the Lord daily for me not to give a rip what people think. But if Steven Spielberg sat down next to me, I'd be like, you've done some really cool stuff, Steven. And then the first thing I wouldn't be, do you know Jesus? It would be, how did you do all that cool stuff? Can I be your friend? I bet your Christmas gifts are awesome. Do you spank?

Are you a spanker? I don't really care at all. I've abandoned everything, Steven. Yeah, it's so funny you said that about the Christmas gifts. I'm not an Oprah Winfrey fan, but I would love to go to her show. I'm telling you. See, that's the thing. Get some stuff. I still can't befriend them without thinking of my own personal gaming. I'm hoping I'll grow out of it. Here's what I'm thinking. Matt Damon is praying for you. That would be awesome. He's got Mike Foost on his list. Wouldn't that be cool if Matt Damon was praying for me? You know what? Maybe Matt Damon's straightened out. I don't know whether he follows Jesus or not. I think he'd just say it generally speaking. You want me to see if he'll be on the show? Yeah, give him a call. He's listening right now. He could be. I really hope he's got better stuff to do. Maybe not. His career's really tanked.

They called him Fat John. I love those John Waller jokes. All right, you're listening to Life in the Path. All right, Mike, what's up? How do you get Jesus out of your dreams and into your car? That's what I was going to ask you guys. Oh, I see. Hey, that's why it's a topic of discussion. I show up with the big stuff. You guys settle it out. Okay, so preface it again. So what we're looking for is practical ways. Like, so let's say you currently have a spiritual, let's say you have a lofty relationship with Christ, you know, and you want to get it down to brass tacks. Like you want to have an everyday, an unceasing prayer type of lifestyle with God, a relationship that really changes. And you can only get that done through spending more time with him, frankly. You could just spend more time with Jesus and more prayer time, more thinking about his word time, all those things, right? So what are some practical steps that you can think of to take God out of your dreams, out of a prayer you say before you go to bed or a prayer you say when you get up to throughout the day? Okay, Dan doesn't do it. Dan's still on the prayer and mourning thing after years of knowing Jesus. Ben, where are you at? Rick Charlton, anything.

Anybody have any relationship with Jesus on the show? Go ahead, Jordan. You know, I mean, in the hectic lifestyle, it does become kind of rough sometimes. What are you smiling at, Dan? You know, I actually, I take the bus to work every morning and I walk to the bus and a lot of times it's, you know, sun's coming up, it's kind of nice, kind of gives me a little quiet time to just maybe talk to God. It's not long, it's not… Did you lose your license? No! No, it's cheap! We'll have one car, man! Why do you take public transportation? It's free! Hey, I'm just saying, I was going to come pick you up, it was going to be a deal. No, no, it's free. Anyways, no, but I talk to God on the way, I read a lot of, you know, on the way. It gives me a good 30 minutes on the bus to read every morning. It's because it takes a long time to get places on the bus. It's not bad, though. Because they keep stopping places. You hate stopping. Just take me to work. For the most part, it's just the freeway. All right? James, keep going.

Hey, it works, though. All right? What is that ding? Is that the Lord speaking to me? Ding! It's kind of funny you say that today, though, that you bring the whole thing up. Because at some point today, it just kind of floated through on my head that I'm having like a really good day with God today, which is an unusual thought. You know, I don't always walk around, you know, thinking God's thoughts and everything. Ding! But I just kind of thought, I just had some really neat prayer time, you know, just kind of throughout the day. And I kind of, I asked myself that. I was like, well, what made today different? I don't even know. Because I don't know how to answer your question. But there's some type of maturity of relationship, I think, that happens. That's just like, in a marriage, I always go back to marriage, it seems like, but that's a close to intimate relationship. Well, Jesus made the same comparison. Yeah, exactly. Where's bride? You go through phases in your marriage of you're just kind of, you're married, but you're just kind of like, you know, finding out how to do marriage. And at some point, the stuff that was really important in your first 10 years of marriage is like, doesn't really matter.

I mean, it's nice and all that stuff, but it's like, that's not the feature, you know, the thing that you really look forward to in life is that that first 10 years, the second 10 years, it's more a depth that's, I can't even describe it. The relationship has matured. Yeah, yeah. It's grown. Exactly. Are you saying that someone who wants that kind of relationship cannot attain it except through time? I don't know. I know that time is helpful. Time, you can have a relationship for 25 years with Christ and not mature past the first year, though, too, at the same time. If you're not doing anything to, you know, you pray and you read and you're thinking, you're doing, I don't know. Let me put it this way, then. Take the, I don't know, like take a guy that says, okay, I pray before I go to bed tonight. I, I, I, maybe I joined my LTG. I, I, I attend church on Sunday. I'm, I'm looking to get, I'm, I'm looking to get set myself up with some catch-alls. I want to make sure that I, that I keep God in my day-to-day life and I'm having a hard time doing it. Do you have any advice to help me? Like, uh, like, should I set up, uh, you know, a Bible reading at time, like in the middle of the day or at my lunch hour? Or, you know, should I write, should I just write, just put a circle on my hand knowing that

to me, that means it's time to pray. God's winking at me. You know, so, you, you know what I'm saying? Like, like stuff like that is that, like, do you, do you think there's anything practical that, because you say like, you know, you tell people who are, who are just beginning to know God that, you know, when your relationship matures, you'll feel this and, and, and you'll, you'll start to, you know, and they're like, I have no idea what you're talking about. I don't know what you're talking about. I want to feel what you're saying. And then, you know, they get this despairs. They feel like a junk Christian, you know, that they're not loving God the right way because God's not talking to them or they're not this. You know what I'm saying? They don't, they do need to understand that it is a maturing process, but they also want a path to get there. You know, how to help me, help me help myself, help me to grow in a relationship with God. Well, I think there's a, I think there is some discipline there. I think it's systematically taking away worldly influence and, and allowing to soak up godly influence because, you know, to, to just go from, I think sometimes we have this, you know, idyllic version of, you know, I accept Christ and then all of a sudden that's all I have pouring into my life is Christ when really like I will go to the work the next day. I will be surrounded by people who won't necessarily be speaking Christ. I will be watching TV, listening to radio and, and, and they're not necessarily, you know, speaking to me like Jesus would, would, would, you know, discuss stuff with me. So like, I think systematically, I think that's okay. I think sometimes we feel like that's phoning it in or that we're not following Christ correctly.

If you have to set up times to say, look, you know, I'm going to do this in the morning. I'm going to do it every morning to, to, to make sure I'm faithfully in the word. I'm going to say, you know, at, at 1230, I'm just going to kind of go off in a room and I'm going to pray for five minutes. And he's like, you know, well, you know, if you're just following Christ, we think of these free spirited people that, that, you know, I'm, I'm talking, praying unceasingly and you'll get there. But I mean, I think there's nothing wrong with setting a little structure in your day so that you get used to that. And what, then what you find is that you can't wait to get to 1230 and then you find yourself praying a little bit earlier. And then you find, you know, you find yourself cheating and then, and then I, and then you find, you find good habits, you, but you start making good habits and you find yourself talking to God, you know, without a time clock, right? Praying for stuff you wouldn't have prayed for before, you know, smaller stuff in your mind, you know, but if you can trust God with the big, you can trust God with the small, you know, don't, don't take a God's sovereignty out of his hands. You know? So I think that's okay. I mean, there are people who just, who just have that, that they're just, mind works that way. And then they're praying all the time. Yeah, like the unemployed and they don't need that. Charlton takes the bus. Talk about it. Holy Jesus father.

Thank you for this bus. I think somewhere there is adding the heart to the mental exercise of your, your Bible reading and your prayer. Cause you can, you can pray a lot and it's a mental exercise, you know, okay, God, you know, here's my blah, blah, blah, blah, whatever it is you're praying. And it's somewhere there in there, there's heart, maybe, uh, a, a move I've made recently was, um, spending so much time in the prayer room this time in the throne room. Um, and I just spent, I mean, I've read scripture on the throne the last couple of weeks. It's just been kind of the theme of my, my thoughts lately. And then when Jack passed away last Monday, uh, I just started thinking, man, he's like there, you know, and, and that's been kind of going through my mind and, and, and it just kind of takes it to a different place than it just, I read this couple of paragraphs about the throne room of God and saw, you know, a dorky DJ light, you know, it's just like, it's like, it's surreal stuff, you know, and it kind of takes it different to, I don't know. I started thinking of all the different people I know right now is who's up there today. I guess at some point I was thinking about that as like, man, it's kind of crazy, you know, and, uh, but it's also kind of cool. And, uh, well, and you know, one of the, one of the cool things, um, or the things we should be getting out of the reading is, is not just to, not just to soak it in. Like, did I take in words, but like really look at what we read and say, what did I, what did I learn about God here? Right. You know, cause that, that hard stuff, that hard stuff follows like the more, you know, God, the, I mean, the more you love, you gotta, I mean, you can't not love God the more that you know about it.

And I think sometimes we, we, we do set up things where we're taken in scripture and, and that's great. But like, if you're not learning from it, if you're not looking at it and saying, you know, like even, even in something like, oh, whatever, we were trying to bust through second Chronicles and boy, I mean, it's, it's drudgery in second Chronicles with Moses above. But the thing is, is like, you know, if you look at yourself, if you look at, um, well, the start of first Chronicles, it's talking about all the, all the, you, the tribes and stuff and the, and the people, how many people in each tribe were, were helping with the temple and that kind of thing. And you're looking at, and you're saying, you know, I'm not getting much out of this, but I can look at that and say, you know what, God is a God of order, you know, and, and God will provide, and he's going to provide the people to do what he wants to do. He, look at all these people. He's got, you know, these musicians and these Levites, and these are the people that are going to do this in the temple. And, you know, I can learn more about God looking in that section. There's sections where I can learn more about me. There's sections I can learn more about the world that he has created. And there's, and all of those will tell me more about the God that I serve. And the more that I know about him, I can draw closer to him, you know. And, and so the mistake we can make about setting up systematic ways to kind of read scripture and, and pray and stuff is if we do it, we're just going through the motions as opposed to, I'm, I'm talking to God. I'm learning about God. I'm drawing myself closer to God.

This is the way that he's interacting with me is through his word. Well, and some of that, some of that is very much the interaction back. Like, I think people shortchange that way more than they should. And, you know, they, they say, I, you know, I pray and I, and I read the Bible and this and, and, and, and, you know, you have to give, you have to give God the chance to speak back to you and you can't just take, you know, the, the Bible is one way for God to speak to you through his word, but he's got a lot of things at play here. You know, the Holy Spirit can speak to you. And, and, and, you know, God himself will show up, not quite as often, but, you know, he will show up and you have to learn how he talks to you. You know, it's something that you do that, that is part of a mature relationship. You will learn how God speaks to you and how he communicates with you. You know, the way that he communicates with, with Ben or with Rick or with Dan is different than the way he communicates. I know exactly how he communicates with me. And it's usually irony, like in a very sharp bit of irony. And I, and I, I can always catch it happening. And I always laugh slightly because I know that that type of irony is usually only from God. And I know it's because it always has to do with something that I've been thinking about or worried about or praying about. And then something will happen and I'll go, you kidding me. And then I, then I always go, Oh, and, and the reason is because that's how God speaks to me. And that's just how he does it. Like he's, he's done it a couple other ways, but not very often.

I guess, I just had a thought of a, of a sitcom, uh, of which Charles is riding the bus and like God keeps showing up to him in different people like every day. And it's called Jesus on the bus. Would you be interested in doing sitcom work, Rick? Absolutely. All right. Very easy to get along with Charles. I think, I think it's kind of as musicians, you guys might, might be able to explain this. This connects with me. Go ahead. All right. All right. I have, I have daughters who both play music. You can put the same sheet of music in front of them and sit down to play the piano and say, Danielle will play something from Phantom of the Opera. And I could be in the room and I can feel the emotion coming to the music. I can't describe how or why, but I can feel it. You know, it's just like, I don't know. You just feel the music. Shanna can sit down and play the same music and do it, uh, correct. And if she's playing it correct, she's playing the music, but I'm not feeling it. And I'd say to Shanna, there's something, I don't even know what to tell you. I don't know how to tell you. I don't, I don't know if it's a holding a note of half. I have no idea technically what the difference is, but I can feel it when Danielle plays it. I can't yet.

And maybe I can't now. It's been a while since we had this conversation. And since she's playing the piano, but you understand what I'm saying? I think that's a relationship with God thing. Yeah. You can do the technicalities or you can. Well, right. That, that means a lot, right? Because like the people that, and this, this might be cut and dry, but like a lot of people that make a lot of money at music are the people that have songs that speak to people, but are generally very, very simple. If you look at most of the Beatles music catalog, there's not real fancy stuff in there. There's, I mean, they're all one, four, five chord changes. You know, anybody who's played any type of music for any amount of time, you know, it's not real hard. It's why those, those Beatles songbooks that are like, you know, 600 pages thick are so popular because anybody that's played guitar for more than a year pretty much rocks that entire songbook. Same thing goes with, uh, like Nirvana was a real popular alternative rock band in the, in the early nineties. That guy couldn't play guitar better than most eight year old kids that have had guitar lessons. Like seriously. I mean, he just was not that talented of a guitar player, but his songs were emotional and very bare bones and, and, and, and people feel that, you know, regardless of your skill level. And so I, I, I think that makes perfect sense because some, some people are just like that,

especially when it comes to an instrument, you know, they, they can purvey much more with how they do it than what they're doing, you know, like, like singers who can do that. There's some technically very, you know, like opera singers. I mean, they're technically very, very good, but no one replaces, you know, the guy who gets on stage and actually means what he's saying, you know, like that guy means way more to a lot more people. And so I, I, I, I, I, yeah, I totally understand what you're saying. Absolutely. That's why I cry every time I play this, but people like, yeah, he digs it. Or sometimes they just hurt their ears and they're crying due to poor, you know, you're listening to life in the path and sometimes thanks for hanging out with us. So, uh, so far tonight, uh, coming up here in just a few minutes, we're going to be playing secular versus Solomon, uh, in case you've just joined us, uh, or you've forgotten what we were talking about, uh, over the last hour, you've missed the spanking conversation and, uh, we're done talking about Harold camping and Matt Damon. I mean, we're really, uh, we're knocking them out. You got to get on early. I'm sorry. Uh, also, uh, we are, we'll be broadcasting live from the, uh, John Waller concert. That is, uh, this Saturday at seven o'clock at the Indianola community church. You can buy tickets online for $11 at overflow music.org. I mean, seriously, you just, you just saved for, I mean, that's a lot of money, especially if you'll say you're going to take two guys, that's $8. It's big money. I mean, you could go to McDonald's before the show and not even sweat. That's what I'm saying.

Unless you brought the kids. It's expensive when you start taking the kids. I'm all for it. I sweat when I bring the kids. And now, for America's fastest growing game show, Secular or Solomon. All right, you've done it. You've landed yourself in the midst of America's fastest growing internet game show, Secular versus Solomon. Just to re-explain the rules of the game, I will give you a proverb, but just, just, I don't mean to interrupt Ben, but I'm awesome at this game. Seriously. Mike is all right at this game. I am, I am awesome at this game. Here's how it's going to go down. I will give you a proverb. You will tell me whether it is secular or from Solomon. If it is secular, you also need to tell me the country or region of origin. Okay. Right answers get a point. Wrong answers get no points. Wrong answers get a spanking. Right answers get disciplined and corrected. Chat, you can play along at home. I need a novelty-sized shepherd's hook to use. Pants's cane is over there. It's right over here.

Yeah, it's right there on the floor, man. What's he been doing without his cane all week? It's for the children. The children cane. The Christmas music. Fantastic. Beat the kids. That's Pathway Church Services at 9 and 1030. They are well-disciplined. At the Wallace Elementary. We don't put up with nothing. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, chat, you keep track of your own score. You go ahead and post them in when you're ready. This is secular or Solomon. Here we go. There is no medicine against old age. There is no medicine against old age. Secular or Solomon. Mike. I'm going to say secular. France. Dan. There is no medicine against old age. There is no medicine against old age.

Just the ESV, Dan. Everything is the ESV. Is it really? Uh-huh. Why do you laugh when I say it's the ESV, but you've got an approval. I thought you were joking. It really is. Cat, if you're going to say secular, I need a country of origin. Because I'm going secular as well. I'm going to say, what did you say? I'm going to say Asia. Some Asian China. France. Asia. It's a continent. Isn't it? Yeah, I don't know. I'll take Asian province. All right. Charlton, there's no medicine against old age. Secular or Solomon? I'll say secular. Gosh, I don't know. England. England. It's like Troy Galinger was here.

There is no medicine against old age. Secular. Ghana. Told you. French Ghana. Ghana. You're thinking French Guyana. That's not the same. Pretty close. No, it's not. Sounds the same. No, it isn't. That is secular Ghana. Here we go. I was born there. Those were the days. The words of the wicked lie in wait for blood, but the mouth of the upright delivers them. The words of the wicked lie in wait for blood. You know when they say upright, that's got to be Solomon. But the mouth of the upright delivers them. Secular or Solomon. Rick. Solomon. Solomon. Solomon. Chet.

Secular Solomon. All right, very good. The words of the wicked lie in wait for blood, but the mouth of the upright delivers them. Proverbs 12.6. Come on, Ben. You know the word upright gives it away. All right. Whoever winks his eyes plans dishonest things. Whoever winks his eyes plans dishonest things. Secular or Solomon. Dan. That's ESP, huh? Whoever winks. I'm going to say it is secular and Afghanistan. Secular Afghan, Mike. Winks his eyes dishonest. Who does that? Like cartoon dishonest? I'd give vacuum seals. Man. I'm going to say Solomon. Solomon. I wink it. From the Solomon vacuum company, Wallow, Washington. Rick Charlton. I'm going to say Solomon.

Solomon. Chat. Secular American. All right. Secular. Louse. Louse. That's bold. Whoever winks his eyes plans dishonest things. Solomon. Proverbs 16.30. Come on, Dan. Lead pastor, it says on your car. Actually, Dan is just fond of winking. Did not want to admit that it's been wrong with winking. I'll accept that Jesus stuff, but the Old Testament. Anybody want a fruit punch? A fruit punch? All right. A gift in secret averts anger. I wish that never would have happened. Holy cats. I'm going to dub it over and over and over again on the website. You're going to come in and say, fruit punch? Fruit punch? A gift in secret averts anger and a concealed bribe strong wrath.

A gift in secret averts anger and a concealed bribe strong wrath. Secular or Solomon? Mike. Solomon. I'm going to say Solomon. Solomon. Dan. I'm going to say Solomon as well. Rick. Solomon. That's a mistake. Don't ever get on board with Mike and Dan when they're in agreement. We're never in agreement. Got two Solomons on the chat. Chats of loving the Solomon. A gift in secret averts anger and a concealed bribe strong wrath. Proverbs 21, 14. Although I am confused by this bit of wisdom. A gift in secret averts anger. I think I can get. So there's going to be trouble. And he just kind of slides something over. But then it says, and a concealed bribe strong wrath. So a concealed bribe averts strong wrath. It's the gift versus the bribe. No.

A gift in secret averts anger and a concealed bribe averts strong wrath. I think either way you give them something you're going to be better off. Oh, that's what I'm saying. So Solomon in his wisdom is saying, it's okay to slide a few bucks under the table to get the nice. No, no. That's what he's saying. You won't want trouble. You bribe. No, there's biblical precedence against that, right? Didn't Judah pay off Egypt for something and God punished him because they didn't let God do it? That's in 2 Chronicles five times. See, these LTGs work. If we could just get past it, maybe I'd learn more. But right now I don't know the heart of the Lord. Does he bribe or does he not? Is he for bribery? Is he from Chicago or Tampa? Wait. ZZ Top says Jesus just left Chicago. Hello. Now, this is written by King Solomon who probably got a few bribes in his day and thought, yeah, I'll take a little extra cash. I feel a little better. Now, wait a minute. You can't take the man's point of view towards your interpretation of the Bible. Well, useful for rebuking, teaching. Take the bribe.

Bribing. All right. I think the word bribe meant something different back in the day. No, I don't think it does. Yeah. A gifted secret of verse anger. That's a bribe. That's a straight up bribe. Take this. Calm down. Now, remember, a proverb doesn't necessarily mean this is from God. It's just this is how it works. And in real life, that's how it works. What? It's just so I can't trust. I can't trust a proverb to guide my life. No, that's a good. It tells you how life works. Oh, man. This is not how to not how to live biblically. This is funky. Watch where you're stepping, Dan. Are you meaning what you're saying? Like there's parts of Proverbs that we can't trust to live a biblical existence. I'm saying the book of Proverbs is a book of wisdom of Solomon. If you read the first few chapters, he's experienced a lot of life and saying, here's what I've observed.

Here, here's what it is. And that's what he's observed. Just like in Ecclesiastes, it says all over the place. There's nothing, you know, all is meaningless. You know, well, that isn't true. All is not meaningless. Yeah, that's just his where he's coming from. He just hasn't received a bribe yet. I want to get some cash. I can find a bribe around here. All right. Next week, we're talking about bribing. Okay. That's on the docket. Proverbs 21, 14, ESV. We're talking about bribes. Our guest host, Obama. Yes. The president takes bribes. Thanks, Dan. Maybe him and Matt Damon will both come on. I got some phone calls to make this week. The orphan does not rejoice after a heavy breakfast. The orphan does not rejoice after a heavy breakfast. Secular or Solomon? Who?

The orphan. Who do you want to answer? Rick Charlton. Go ahead, Rick. Secular. Secular and from where? We'll say American. English Standard Version good, Dan? I'd say it's Aztec. Secular. Secular Aztecs, Mike? Somali. The Somalis talking about breakfast? Secular China. China? Anyone? No, I haven't used that one before. No. How do you know? Because I get them from different places. What does it mean you haven't used it before? The orphan does not rejoice after a heavy breakfast. Secular Ghana. Are you kidding? Would you go to Ghana.com today? That's how I know it's new.

I'm using a different resource. Somalia is right next to Ghana. No, it's not. The end of passion is the beginning of repentance. The end of passion is the beginning of repentance. Secular or Solomon? Secular. What say you? Spanish. Secular Spanish. Spaniard. Dan, the end of passion is the beginning of repentance. I'm going to agree. It sounds kind of secular and passion. It sounds maybe from south of the border. We're going from Mexico. I like your mode of thinking. That is what I was going to say. That's what they do in Mexico. They are spicy. Not north, eh? The passion runs high in the south. All right. Rick, you're up. Secular Solomon. Secular Brazil.

Same line of thing. Cambodia. Secular Cambodia. I don't know. Are they spicy in Cambodia? Apparently. The end of passion is the beginning of repentance from the guilty yet passionate French. Secular. French. I called it. No, you didn't. Pretty close. Spain's right next to France. A little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to rest, and poverty will come upon you like a robber and want like an armed man. Secular or Solomon. A little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to rest, and poverty will come upon you like a robber and want like an armed man. Well, are they saying that robbers come fast? Like they're sneaky fast? I think if you sleep, yeah, poverty will come upon you like a man that would rob you if you were sleeping. All right. Thank you. Secular Solomon. Mike. Oh. I'm going to say Solomon. Solomon, Dan.

I'm going to say if you look in approximately chapter six of Proverbs. Mike, does Dan have his Bible up? I do. He does have his Bible software up. He's got it minimized like he hasn't been doing it. Okay. Let's see where it's at right now. He's like a robber. Okay. All right. All right. Hold on. Let's see what Dan's been searching. Romans 2. I was looking up Rod last time. I want to get into the Hebrew of it. It's going to be our new game. I think last time we found out Dan was searching beards. It's there to see what the last search Dan used on the Bible software. Spikens. Talk to me about Spikens. Rick, secular Solomon. Solomon. A little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to rest, and poverty will come upon you like a robber and want like an armed man. Proverbs 24. 24.

Six is go to the end, you sluggard, consider his ways to be wise, blah, blah, blah. I was thinking of this right after that. Useless is the advice of a man who misnames Proverbs at six other than 24. This one's kind of cool, though. A little folding of the hands to rest. That's a very godly thing, isn't it? Aren't people in churches always folding hands together? Yeah. They're going to be robbed. You know, where did that come from, anyway? No one sleeps like that. They did back then. That's the eternal sleep. When people are dead, that's what they do. They fold them and they put them on. But, like, that is not a natural. People don't naturally sit like that. Dan, where did the custom of folding your hands and bowing your head? I don't know. I put it next to spiking. The Lord makes no. The Bible makes no indication of that, right? No. People have trumped up prayer, so it's harder. People think if you don't close your eyes and bow your head, you're not doing it correctly. They probably figure if you're a child, you're not, you know, scratching other people.

Why are you doing that to me? I totally didn't see that coming. Have you ever been in junior worship? Hey, you! Just fold your hands. Orangutans in the junior worship. I'm going to submit that I don't want to sit next to Dan anymore. What a disaster. I'm going to stop doing it. I always thought that maybe I wasn't praying right, but I'm just going to start praying with my eyes open while I'm driving. I'll talk to my own self. I'll say, Jesus, here's… You don't pray while you drive? I do, usually, but I try to close my eyes intermittently. That's not good. Oh, yeah, yeah. You better stay on the bus, Charles. It ain't safe on the road. I'm out there loving Jesus. Here's what I'm saying. Dear Lord, please help me get there safe. I've closed my eyes to do this prayer. Lord, this is Rick. If I hear a ding, that will mean you're going to send me $20. You owe me $160 today.

Thank you for your kindness, Lord. I feel totally blessed. And a little dirty, because I sat on the wrong side of the bus. For the week, Jesus. You could pay my house. All right. Rick, you've got to talk to the Lord differently. You sound real funky. Yeah, really. Charlie, we need to talk after the show. Where's the Jesus ledger? All right. You can give up on it now, Ben. I like my Charlton voice, though. I'm going to hold on to it. All right. The higher the monkey… This one is totally not going to pass. The higher the monkey climbs, the more he shows his tail. Have you read chapter seven? The higher the monkey climbs, the more he shows his tail. Secular or Solomon? I'm really hoping Solomon, but I'm going to say secular. Where from? Thailand. Ghana.

I changed it to Ghana. Three. I'll say secular from Africa. Okay. Jordan. Secular from China. India. Okay. The higher the monkey climbs, the more he shows his tail. Secular England. 14th century England. They have a lot of monkeys in England? They must. What is that implying? The higher the monkey climbs, the more he shows his tail. The higher up you go, the more I see the dirties. The dirties? I see the dirty side of you. Is that what I'm saying? Corruption at the top. Yeah. Like, the higher up you go, the more I see your seedy underside. Your tail. I don't think it's saying that. So what does it mean? What does it mean?

Mike, what does it mean? Well, it seems like you would… You could see the tail's all you see because it's the longest part of the monkey. The rest of the monkey starts to get blurry, but you still see the tail because it's moving. But it's also the dirtiest part. Well, how would you know that? It's so far away. He's getting up higher. You can't tell dirtiness at that height. Have you never been around monkeys, Charlie? But you know where the monkey… You know where the monkey's tail has been. No, it stays out and away from the business. It doesn't get up in the business. Any tail that you've had more than a couple weeks knows what goes on down there and chooses to keep itself out of it. Unless you have a dumb tail. Never had a tail. Well, that's why you can't be trusted to know what you're talking about. That's all I'm saying. Whoever is slothful will not roast his game, but the diligent man will get precious wealth. Whoever is slothful will not roast his game, but the diligent man will get precious wealth. Secular or Solomon. Rick? Solomon. Dan.

I haven't read Proverbs in the ESV yet. I need to probably do this someday, but… Every time, Dan. I don't read the Bible. Every time, Dan. Six months we've been doing this. It's about time to get Proverbs down. Yeah, I have to stay away from Proverbs. It's so wise. But I'm going to stay. It sounds Proverbs-ish. Yeah, Proverbs. Good. Good. Secular. Kind of sounds like Jesus. It sounds Solomon-ish. Okay. Mike, secular from where? Uh… Russia. The Russians. Whoever is slothful will not roast his game, but the diligent man will get precious wealth. Solomon, Proverbs 12, 27. Now, wait a minute. Explain that one to me.

Whoever is slothful will not roast his game. What do you mean? He won't cook it because he just eats it immediately? He's lazy. Yeah. He's lazy. But the diligent man who cooks his meat will get precious wealth. He gets to… He'll just get a hot meal. That's all. No, he gets to enjoy the succulents of the meat as opposed to eating it raw and throwing it up, which is the slothful man will do. Eating it raw and then barfing it. Okay, I'm with you. That's what… Slothful people and owls have the same dietary habits. All right. Here we go. Final one. How are you guys doing so far? I got to 15. There have not been 15 questions. I know. I'm amazing at this game. I am so far 8 out of 9. Here we go.

It's sin and not poverty that makes men miserable. It is sin and not poverty that makes men miserable. Secular or Solomon. Secular. JC, have you actually been tallying the scores? I love that guy. Anyway, Michael, what was it? Secular? Secular. Botswana. Secular Botswana. Dan. I'm going to go with secular as well, and I think I will go with India. It has the word sin in it, fellas. Don't you read the Bible? Yeah, the Bible's not outright like that. The Bible talks about sin. The Bible doesn't talk about sin. It talks about happy things. It's a mega theme of the Bible, but not necessarily laid out in one verse. Otherwise, you wouldn't need the whole Bible. You have to expand it. Sorry, I'm laughing in the chat. Charlton, you're up. I'm going to say secular as well. Secular, okay.

Yep, I'm going to say England. England. Yemen. All right. It's sin and not poverty that makes men miserable. Secular. Irish. I called it. Irish. You did not call Irish. That's the Irish jig that I done. All right, and that is, yeah, you've enjoyed the latest presentation of Secular vs. Sullivan. You're darn right I have. I whooped it. Like a disobedient child. I know. America's fastest going game. You have enjoyed. Secular. Or Solomon. Pretty slick, huh? I made it sound like we did a different one for the end, but we didn't. All right, hey, JC, what were the scores, man? I like that you kept track. He's got them up. You didn't even look at them.

Hold on. Rick. Yeah, Dan, nine. Mike, nine. Jokon, nine. Rick, ten. Congratulations, Rick Charlton. He mistyped. I had like 18. Unfortunately for you, the winner has to buy Golden Corral for everybody. Unfortunately for us, the winning restaurant is the Golden Corral. Is there a Golden Corral around here anymore? I think we're out of business. Wasn't Engeldinger supposed to take us somewhere? To F&O's. Yeah. Spankenhauser, you're supposed to be taking us to F&O. Why wasn't everybody going, oh, like that when you say F&O's? Because F&O's. I didn't realize that's what happened. I've never even been to F&O's. It is good. It is good. Either it gives you the tummies and you go, oh. It might the first time if you're a digestive systemist not. I'm not ready.

I'm not ready for F&O's. Not up for the cheesy goodness. There's lots of cheese there. I don't know. Engeldinger, when are we going to F&O's, buddy? You know, here's the thing. I thought this Rio gig would end up with a lot more free stuff, and it is not going that way. Now, hold on. We got some free T-shirts. We got some posters. We got some free tunes. I had a band set that would give me a free download of their EP this week. I was kind of more hoping for free food every once in a while. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know about that. Maybe a stereo. Hey, speaking of if you've got extra stuff lying around your house. Hey, hold on. We're not a garage sale, man. Hold on. This holiday season, it's best to give to others. Yeah. And you can do so without even leaving your own house by visiting curbsideforkids.com. That's curbsideforkids.com. That's K's. And every time there should be a C because we're just K crazy like that.

Curbsideforkids.com. On the 15th of every month, you put your crap hole out on the stoop. As long as it's for kids and women, we'll come pick it up. Yeah, that's the truth of it. Yeah. Two ladies at SVU trying to demonstrate God's love through service by coming to get your junk and handing it out to other people. Curbsideforkids.com. Use the email form. Tell them you got some stuff and they'll swing by and get it. So, I'm fully supportive of the ladies in this venture. It sounds awesome. Yes, it does. All right. It does sound awesome. In all seriousness, go check it out. Curbsideforkids.com. That's K's. They're on Facebook. Okay. Yeah. You can also find them on Facebook. Yeah. And they almost got more likes than we got. And they were only around for like 24 hours. Yeah, man.

We're really not. People like him. Dislike him. Hey, now here's the deal. People like Rich Charlton. I'm saying, people like him. He's a personable guy. He's on the bus. And he rocks at the Secular V. Solomon. And I think we should put his face on the front of the website. Can we do that, Rick? Can we put your face on our stuff? Yeah. By all means. Yeah. We should put him on the Live from the Path guy. He could just be the guy. The head. Yeah. The head of the bathroom guy. All right. You're in. Could be the new Solomon. I don't know. That Solomon's pretty fierce. That reminds me.

If you go to livefromthepath.org, you can catch us during the week. You can get our podcasts and shows. You can watch YouTube clips. Also, you can buy the Live from the Path gear. You can buy a Solomon T-shirt out there. Also, the donkey shirt's available. Lots of cool stuff on Live from the Path. Is the black sleeve and the white front still available? Like the baseball-looking thing? Yeah. Yeah. So you can get your Live from the Path gear. The link is LFTPgear on the front of livefromthepath.org. You can catch us during the week there. It's pretty awesome. I got a message from someone today who watched. They must have went on our website and watched an archive show. He said we were very similar to Glenn Beck. What? As far as having a lot of humor and fun, but yet some seriousness, too. I don't know. Yes. Yeah. We're on par. I mean, he's got a few more listeners than us, but I mean, not many. Yeah, barely.

He certainly doesn't have a TV and a studio facing the road. Exactly. That's what happens here. What a low-rent bump. We got a ficus in the corner. We got some cafe chairs and stuff that nobody's using. And we got a TV facing out on the road. You know what? He's the type of guy who would probably buy plants. You got to water. What a sucker. Yeah. We got one that stays all. I lose green like that all the time. I don't have to do nothing. Dust it, maybe. That's all. There it is. All right. Anyway, you're listening to Live from the Path. We are broadcasting every Monday night from 10 to midnight on livefromthepath.org, and you can catch a special broadcast this Saturday starting at 7 o'clock or maybe earlier. I don't know. I don't know when we'll talk to John. Probably 7. We'll have to fit into his time schedule.

I don't know. We'll do whatever he wants. He's not going to rearrange a whole lot for us. We'll have to watch Facebook. Yeah, there you go. We'll keep it posted. And we'll like to see you there live at the John Waller concert at the Indianola Community Church. Tickets online for $11 at overflowmusic.org. What do you got, Mike? I was going to do Dear Live from the Path. Let's have it. Yep. Okay. Hey, every once in a while, people get stuck in their day-to-day life, and they really need help. They need advice. And so they write in and look into us for answers and guidance, and hopefully we can provide that with a biblical sway. And so here it is. Dear Live from the Path, I'm a 43-year-old single mom of 16-month-old twins and in the midst of a career change. I will be entering the legal profession. Some people have told me that courts and lawyers tend to be conservative and may frown on single mothers. My question is, should I wear a ring on my left hand without saying anything about my marital status? Of course, if asked directly, I will say I'm not married. But would simply wearing a ring on the third finger of my left hand be considered disingenuous or dishonest? Wait, why? Because she's going into the legal profession, and people might frown on her being single.

She's going to be as an attorney? Yes. Because I would say if they're paying attention to that, they're not paying attention to the court case that's at hand. And it's irrelevant. You think it's irrelevant? No, so wait, so she thinks that the jury, the jury will be… I think she said the court system in general. Oh, okay. No, no, that's a foundation of lies. That's sand. Is it? It's lies and sand. That's what it is. Is it lies and sand? It's lies and sand. It's completely up to you what you chose to believe. I think it boils down to what her motivation is for putting the ring on that finger. Look at this here. Now I'm not married. Amazing. Oh, now I'm married again. Amazing. Hey, don't take your covenant lightly, Mike. I'm just saying that it doesn't change anything. Sure does. It does not?

Yeah. I felt a little freer next to you just a few moments ago, and now I don't. That's all I'm saying. It doesn't matter. It makes it no concern. Yeah, but it's a lie. What is? It's like you're intentionally deceiving people. No, that's not true. Yes, it is. Okay, now listen. You're choosing to put a ring on your finger to imply that you are married when you are not. No, that's not true. Yes, it is true. It's what's happening. Listen to me. Hey, be quiet with your mouth for a second. Here's the deal. So let's say you see a 15-year-old kid with his hat backwards on, and some 75-year-old yupster is sitting at his retirement castle going, oh, them dirty, rotten kids, those out there are causing the trouble. The gangsters wear their hats backwards. Now, the kid is a perfectly good kid, and some old man is taking it the wrong way. What I'm saying is you're taking a social moray and saying that that's the case. But we're not taking this the wrong way. She pretty much said that she's putting that on her finger to not make it known that she's

anti-harassment. She's just trying to beat the harassment. I guess I'm still trying to figure out. She's worried about what the court thinks or the other attorneys think. And so… I don't think it's on a personal level she thinks it's going to hurt her ability to be effective as a lawyer. Because people will look at her as being a 43-year-old single woman, and it will just give her an aura of… With two children. I mean, it's all irrelevant. I don't care what job it is. I don't go and think, well, you're a lawyer. Well, you're not married. I don't think I can use you, you know. Really? Because I go to the fast food restaurant and see the 45-year-old man serving me, and I go, I don't know what happened to you and why you're still working here, buddy, but I don't want you touching my hamburger. No, you don't do that. Sure, I do. I'll take it. No, no. Yes, sir, I do. I've never gone anywhere. I might slip him an extra five spot.

You're having a rough time, aren't you? That's not what I think. Solomon says, give him some cash. I think you irresponsible doofus. What have you done so poorly that you're just now working at the Donald's? She is deceiving intentionally, and for shallow reason. I think she needs to not do it. And it's not the same as the kid with the backwards hat. It's not even close to the same thing. That's the worst example I've ever heard. It's pretty close. No, it's not. Okay, here's what the secular said. Because of advances in the field of reproductive medicine, women both married and single have been able to safely have children at later ages. However, one of the interesting things about motherhood is that no one can tell by looking who is or isn't one. Unless you walk into court and announce that you are a single mother, your personal life should not be a distraction to anyone. Thank you. Whether the person is conservative or liberal. There's no disgrace in being a single parent if you can afford to feed and educate the children you have. So stop worrying. You'll be labeled with a scarlet letter. P.S.

I see no reason to put a ring on it if it's a lie. Give me that phone there, Mike. Why? Give me it. Why? Let me see it. Why? Let me see if that P.S. was actually in there. Dig on it. Turn it straight. It's in there. Yeah. Okay. I said it was. You think I would lie about them telling a lie? You were dead wrong. Repent of your sin right now. I didn't sin at all. I called your sin what it was. There's something weird about a 45-year-old man working at the dog. That's all I'm saying. No, it's not. Yeah, it is. No, let's say. Maybe it's his second job. Is he the manager?

No. Assistant manager. He doesn't want the responsibility. Oh, so he's a lazy doofus. No, he's got another job and he just wants to get in there, flip burgers and get out. That's not the deal. He can't be hanging around there 87 hours a week. Chasing other youngsters. That's not what happened at all. All right, you ready? Dear Live from the Past, because I love the out-of-doors, I volunteered to prepare my boyfriend's duck boat for the hunting season. I sanded it, primed it, detailed the boat, and painted cattails on the sides. I bought seats, hardware, and even made a full-camouflaged duck blind on my sewing machine. My boyfriend is elated and even more excited that I intend to hunt with him. His buddy is not. He has backed out of the hunting trips and refuses to talk to me about the issue. Should I tell my boyfriend I've changed my mind and saved their friendship, or go with him and reward myself for all my hard work? Charlton, what should this gal do? I think if their relationship's worth anything, I think she should probably focus on their relationship. So you're saying don't worry about the buddy? I would not worry about the buddy. If he's going to throw a big Nancy fit about this thing, don't worry about him. Of course, it wasn't a problem before you showed up, Charlton.

You know? True. Sold a big fancy boat for him. That's true. With your fancy ways. Happy birthday to you. Hudson. What? Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday, dear Nancy. Oh, she's criticizing this. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday, Jocon. There you go. Happy birthday. Happy birthday, Jocon. Enjoy yourself. So anyway, now hold on. This chick had to spend big money. Big money. I bet she got four or five hundred bucks in paint, camouflage, cattails, sand and priming. The friend's a loser. Yeah. The friend's a loser. The boyfriend needs to man up, kick the friend out, go out, this lady. I think you're all looking at this a little crazy.

There's seven days in the week they can do both. But the man friend won't put up with it. He folded his arms and said, that's it. Never? You can't go on this boat without me? He's a pain. If that's the case, then he's an idiot. Severed ties. He can take his skirt and go home. I'm going to have a little girl time, go hunt with my girl. I'm going to have a little guy time, go hunt with my guy. Boy, this guy's really got it made. I can't believe this lady did all this work on his boat. He gets to hunt both ways. And, uh, I don't know. Careful, Dan. You know what I'm saying. Both times. Kinda. Kinda. You're going to be the head of our celebrity ministry. Hello, friend. Keep your brain and steer yourself. Okay. Here's a secular's advice. Do not back out.

The person your boyfriend's buddy should be talking to isn't you. It's your boyfriend. His behavior is selfish and childish. A compromise might be in order, but it won't happen unless the boys arrange it between themselves. So stay out of the line of fire. Ooh. Okay, this one's solid. Uh, dear life from the path. There are people in my life who do not bring me joy. Just drama and petty backstabbing. Mm-hmm. How do I tactfully remove myself from an individual or group of people? Uh, I run into them all the time at businesses, events, and restaurants in our small city. Okay. So here's the setup. You're at a small town. And there's a guy named Troy Engeldinger in your town. And you cannot stand him. He drives you crazy. But he thinks he's your friend. How do you get rid of him? Wait a minute. He's petty and backstabbing. Don't forget those points. No advice from the painter guy? I mean, the premise is weak.

The premise is pretty weak. Uh, these guys irritate me. How do I get out of it? I mean… Associate with other people? Yes. It's a small town. There's only like 15 people in the town. Create animosity. And the… Date his wife. Date his wife. Build him a duck boat. Take the ring off. It's like a kid with his hat backwards. It's pretty close. Do it. It was… No, I… Yeah, just tell the guy, look, you know, we don't get along, man. He's like, well, I really feel like we did. No, you were wrong about that. I heard what you said. We obviously didn't. Now, and how to avert wrath, I'm going to give you this 10 bucks. Now, what if…

What if the same situation comes up at work? Same thing? He's a cohort. You have to work with him. I have to work with him. I don't have to associate with him. Well, but he's really annoying. All the time. Even when you're supposed to be working with him. That's why they pay me. I mean, I get a check to have to deal with guys like that. Like, at no point do you go, honestly, Harold, will you shut up? I probably would, but he gets a check, too. If he doesn't like it, he can leave. If I don't like it, I can leave. Harold, take your check and go home. See, work is the great equalizer, right? Because you're paid to be there. If they weren't paying you, it would be charity, and I wouldn't expect people to put up with some of that stuff. But, like, you get a paycheck. So, I mean, either leave or deal with it. Either the money that we're paying you is enough to justify the work that we're asking you to do and the people we're asking you to deal with, or it isn't. If you don't like it, go somewhere else. If it's adequate pay, then shut up and do what you're supposed to do.

That's what you can say? You can be bent to the will of the dollar? If it's paying enough, you'll behave yourself? If it happens to be work, yeah. Now, if you say it's a social situation in a small town, and I keep running into this cat, if it's going to keep happening because, say, we're the same age. It's a group of people, 10 to 15 people. I am a disagreement with 10 to 15 people that I'm probably the issue. There might be a bigger… I should recognize myself as the problem. You keep running into each other at business events and restaurants. It's a very small town, and half the town I don't get along with. Like, I think that's you. I think he's the problem. That's a good point. Maybe he's a total jerkball. He's not going to like this advice, fellas. Seriously, we are not making any friends here. Actually, so, I mean, in all honesty, my first thing might be humble yourself. Like, honestly, I don't care how bad these people are. Like, if they're just annoying, then humble yourself because it's coming from a statement of, like, I don't like to be degraded to have to deal with irritating people. Or, like, my personality is obviously correct and awesome.

I shouldn't have to be drugged into whatever these irritating people are doing. Yeah, see, I agree with you. I think it's a pride issue. But it almost seems like it's not, based on what he said, it almost seems like he doesn't want to be around that negative influence either. Yeah. Like, maybe he doesn't want, maybe they're bringing him down. Yeah, they're not bringing him joy. They're drama and pity. Backstabbing. So, I would say don't voluntarily do it. But, I mean, if you're just running into people because you're at the Legion Hall for a pancake feed or whatever. You know how much backstabbing can you? Learn to deal with people. Well, that's what I'm saying. It's like, how much backstabbing can you get done? That conversation, right? Like, hey, man, I'll have the soda. I'm going to tell everybody. That's to say, like, why would you give those people power over your life? Let's say you've got five people and you run into social events and they're negative people and they bring you down. So, you show up and you say, I'll take three pancakes. And they say, but your face is ugly and your job sucks. Yeah.

Oh, my face is ugly and my job sucks. Well, what if you've got the hemorrhoids and you've got to buy the cream from one of the jerk faces at the pharmacy? And he's going to tell everybody. And? Well, he's going to tell everybody you've got the hemorrhoids. Don't you? I don't want everybody knowing that, though. It's kind of one of those things. Then send someone else to buy it. I mean, be more. Oh, yeah. Send someone else to buy it. Oh, yeah. eBay. Mr. Johnny, stand up and take your stand. Oh, by the way, when it comes to the hemorrhoid cream, send in a decoy. Send in your daughter. I'm saying, if you're that concerned about it, go buy it from another town. But, like, otherwise, man up. That's pretty sad. You've got to drive 30 miles out of the way to buy hemorrhoid cream. I'm agreeing that it's that sad. But, like, if it's that big of a problem for you, then go do that. But otherwise, go buy the hemorrhoid cream and man up to it. You've got problems.

I got the roads. Hand it over. By the way, I'm Mike. I live over there. Anybody got a problem? Who is this guy? He lives in some kind of cartoon land. So, my three sets of advice are man up, humble yourself, and quit letting people dominate your life with their negative activity. And get a prescription from a legitimate doctor. Make it mail-order cream. I'm sure they have it. Run your own affairs. Okay, I'm with you. Go ahead. You give advice. That's my advice. That's my advice. No, it isn't. You said announce yourself as the Roy man. Tell people where you live. It was genius. Everyone now understands. I would move. You know what? Screw it. Why am I staying in this town?

I mean, what's keeping me here? It ain't my buddies. It's 15 people. The whole town hates me. Obviously, I'm not holding down much of a job, otherwise I've moved already. You know what? It's time to hit the road. You know? Find a traveling band of gypsies or something. It's time to get out. All right. Dan, where are you at on this thing? I think you just need to associate with other people. Whatever that means. Move and whatever. What if they're Mormons? Is that a good alternative? If they're Mormons? Yeah. They'll find them. Oh, wait. Become a Mormon? They'll find you. You can't escape. They love people with hemorrhoids. Here's the secular advice.

Unless you're planning on moving into a cave in the Himalayas, there's no way you can completely avoid them. When you see them, be friendly. Speak in generalities and give them as little information as possible or move on when they start to gossip. It works like a charm. Yeah. That's terrible advice. No way. What kind of that? It doesn't charm anything. Like Ben was saying, you're going to run into these people. Yeah, but what are you going to do in such a cowardly, doofus way? Did I tell you I had hemorrhoids? I mean, you don't have to tell them that. Well, you don't have to. You don't have to. You have a two-second conversation with them and you walk away. The premise of the roids was that you bought hemorrhoid cream at the store and they saw it. Not that you offered it up. You're like, hi, I'm Mike Fouse. I have medical problems in my bum. Buy private things on eBay and the rest don't tell anybody. I'm guessing that he's having trouble avoiding the conversations, right? If you can get away from people you don't want to be around, you tend to do so.

It's not like he's having problems saying shallow things. Do you think he's caught in some kind of where people are gossiping to him? He doesn't want to be part of it? I think they like him and he doesn't like them. I know how that feels. Maybe the situation is where you run with a crowd of folks and all of a sudden your life changes and theirs doesn't. And you keep finding yourself in situations where they're talking about stuff that is no longer redeeming us. You know, that's actually not a bad comparison. What do you do when you run into this at work when people are talking about some things that maybe a Christ follower just does not want to be a part of? Excuse me, I have the hemorrhoids. Yes, I've got to go. Jesus does not like that. I've been in this situation many times where they'll be talking about something that most normally I will just walk away from the conversation and find something else to do. But sometimes they'll point blank, look at you, you know, and look for an answer. And I will do something very similar to this. Yeah, I'm going to heap burning coals on you, buddy. Let me find a good way to stay in this deal. That's it. It solves all problems. I don't know if my wife would like that. I'll say that sometimes, too. Yeah.

Totally get me out of it for having to respond. People take it less offensively than you say, my God does not appreciate what you're saying. You're in big trouble. That's very manly, Mike. It's a way to witness for Christ. Yeah, my wife. I'll put your wife under the bus. What? They expect my wife to be upright and standard. They expect me to fall. But a man who respects his wife's wishes? Good man. I'm saying. That's right. Your God says you're a coward. Maybe. Yes. But I didn't do it. I didn't fall into the bad conversation. What do you say? Yeah, you did. You just hung around and listened to it. No, I didn't. I was on my way out. They looked at me.

That probably doesn't come up to you very often in the office building. But I'm telling you. No, we don't talk about dirties at the office. I wouldn't think so. About redeeming things. Exactly. I've been in the office building. It's not like the backyard mechanics. Paperclips. It's not the same. It's not apples to apples. You know, it can get. I've worked in an office. I work in an office. I've worked in a garage. It is not apples to apples. I'm just telling you it is not. There's points where it's close, but it is not apples to apples. I've recorded conversations on my thing. I left it in the room and then left. And then because I wanted to hear what they said because I was going to show my wife. Because I thought it would be funny. And it was too foul. I couldn't do it. It was just too foul. Now, see, I work with a bunch of young salesmen and saleswomen that are right out of college,

parties. I mean, that's all they talk about. Do they high-five a lot? Oh, yeah. It's ridiculous. Yeah. But I have cubicle, though. So I just get in my cubicle and just slink down in my chair. Do you call that pulling cubicle? I pull cubicle. It's the same as pulling. Nobody calls it. No, no. I don't call it that. What do you guys do at your place? Seriously. What happens day to day? I have one of those. I have a dashboard Jesus I have up on my thing. And when people come back and say something that's unredeeming, I give it a push so he bubbles. That would be cool if you kept a Jesus on you. That you could just turn the Jesus at them. Like, if they say something wrong, you can just go. I have, you know, the Hope Obama picture? I have a Jesus version of it.

Yeah. And I have it sitting on my desk. Yeah, that's cool. I, I, I, I, just today I bought a t-shirt that's, uh, the Obama O, but it's LOL. It's kind of funny. I thought it was funny. It was 99 cents. Nice. Everyone's taking the opportunity to glorify God. Dan is taking the opportunity to stick it to Obama. That'll teach him. Who we also accused earlier of taking bribes. That's lead pastor at Pathway Church. That's, uh, 9 and 1030. We might use the ESV depending on if Dan has learned it for this week. Who's to say? You're listening to, uh, Live from the Path, uh, with special guests, Rich Charlton, bus writer in studio. Uh, Mike, any more advice? Uh, yeah, one more, one more. Dear Live from the Path, uh, it doesn't seem that my pastor knows any Bible verse. And appears politically motivated behind the pulpit. Actually, he doesn't. That's unfair to say. Dan is not that way behind the pulpit at all. Uh, but very much that way outside of the pulpit.

So be ready. Uh, dear Live from the Path, my daughter and I had little disagreement the other night when I entered a restaurant holding my seven-day pill container in my hand. I decided to leave my bulky purse in the car. When we sat down, I placed the container on the table next to my place setting. Doing this helps me to remember to take the pills with my meal. My daughter said it was tacky to show my pills and container. I feel it wasn't tacky at all, but my way of taking care of my health. After going back and forth on this subject, I told her I would get your opinion. My husband took my daughter's side. That's it. All right, Dan. What, has she got the Monday through Friday little container going in there? Yeah, seven-day, yeah. Is this tacky? I'm going with the daughter. That's tacky, man. You think it's tacky? Yeah, yeah. It's tacky. Do it in the car if you have to, or… Now, is there any part of this woman that's thinking, this is going to be way cool. People are going to dig me for having these pills. I think she's drawing attention to herself. Yeah. What if it's not…

What if it's not trying to take pills? I take pills, too. Is that cool? Before you go into the restaurant, take your day pill out and walk inside. Yeah. You don't even need a purse. Put it in your hand. Put it in your pocket or whatever, yeah. Dude, no, you're… One of those little change footballs. No way. The pills will get all sweaty and stuff. The myelanto will start to melt away. How long are you going to hold on to it? I mean, just go in, get some water, and take them. It's not like… You have to take it with food. You take it, and then you eat. It works. It's not like a within 30 seconds, otherwise things are going to be a problem. You're not a doctor. It says take it… It says take it with food. You can't just screw around with these things. It doesn't have to be like… It doesn't say take whatever you want, friend.

You take that liquor, you put it in your hot dog, then. You know, stick it in your hot dog. I'm not on medication. If you were. A little cheese or whatever. Wrap it in a tortilla. I have before put one in like a little piece of a napkin or something and folded it up and taped it so it wouldn't fall out. If I knew I was going to be somewhere like in that situation. See, that's reasonable. It doesn't need to be in this giant pill container, though. The seven-day container. Yeah. I only need Thursday, but I brought everything. It's a Thursday PM. That's like saying I only need this debit card, but I brought my whole wallet in. It's the same principle. It is not the same principle. It's like we're in a campaign. How is it not the same principle? You need your library card inside there? You could get ID'd if you want to buy liquor. Not with your library card. Bring in two cards, then. Why bring your whole wallet? That's just how I keep them.

Well, that's a good enough explanation. It's small and it sits in the back of your pocket. You're doing it to draw attention. You don't bring your whole wallet in so that people go, oh, look at his whole wallet. Well, maybe that's not why she brought the pill bottle in. Maybe that's how she keeps her pills. Then she can take the whole person. She's just taking her pill thing in. They ID'd me the other day buying NyQuil. I didn't know they did that. I didn't either. Charlton knows. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I down the NyQuil. If you get less than six, it's not as big of a deal. Serge, you bring your whole wallet. We need five forms of ID for that NyQuil. I'm saying it just so happens that I do have it on me. Carl, I granted that maybe there are a lot of pills, but you don't need seven days worth of pills on a one evening meal. It's, I'm not saying. What if she's a cancer patient? It's tacky. If you're that sick, you shouldn't be going out to eat. Exactly.

Oh, you guys get to use the example for the McDonald's manager who's slumming two jobs or some kind of ethos for a high quality moralistic individual. But a guy that's got to take a bunch of pills because he has a debilitating disease, he's a jerk face? That's terrible. What do you mean we're not taking into a thought the mental state of the woman? She's probably just not. She's just. Yeah. She's asking for advice. And the advice is, it's tacky. She should change her mental thoughts on it. What do you mean? Wait a minute. Is the chat suggesting that the lady needs mental help? She might need some counseling. She knows enough to ask Dear Abby. She's going for counsel. I need a professional. Here's what I'm saying. It's not. Beat her down. It's not unconscionable. But the question was, is it tacky? Yeah. And the answer is, yes, it is tacky.

I think your standards are outrageous. I don't see that. Well, they're bringing in a seven-day pill count. Did it say that there's a child that brings in the thing for her? No. Did I just make that up? No. No, they just went in together. Okay, because I was imagining. I don't think I'd give my pill container to a child as a rattle, because who knows where those pills are going. Okay, so that's good. All right. Would you like to hear secular's advice? I'd probably not. Allow me to even up the odds by taking your side. Oh. Certain medications must be taken with food. She's not a doctor either. Dr. Charlton, Dr. Foost. And if bringing the pill container with you ensured that you wouldn't forget to take your dose in a timely manner, then more power to you. That your daughter and your husband would criticize your manners in a case like this troubles me more than any breach of etiquette that might have occurred. Okay, now seriously. If she has this many pills to take, are you telling me that she's likely to actually forget

to take her pills if she doesn't have this giant case with her? Would it make you feel better if she put them in an Altoid case? Yes. So she has to put on airs just to suffice judgmental on-goers like yourself sitting at the table? Hold on. The question of… They're not really Altoids. No. Ring, finger, ring, finger. No. The question of tacky or not tacky is primarily based on whether it is a show. Right? Not whether it's functional or not. Right? Because whether it's tacky or not, it's irrelevant to whether it's functional. What if it is functional? It's not functional. She's not taking her hemorrhage cream in and putting it on the table next to your plate. I'm going to use this later. Okay, listen. You don't buy a seven-day pill counter and then also buy a one-day pill counter. You just keep them all in the seven. You don't buy both. Use the Altoids box. Why should they have to pretend that they're not taking pills?

Because it's special. You're going out in public. That's like the diabetic, generally, if they have to give themselves an injection, they don't do it out in front of everybody. They kind of discreetly. They might even be in the thing. I've been with a friend who stabbed their leg or something, but they're not going to – They're not trying to draw attention to themselves. She didn't go, pills. She said it. A, you don't know that. B, you don't know that. Why do you think the daughter was so upset? But she said it out on the table. I mean, she didn't, like, set it under the table or bring the purse along and keep it in the purse. Why should she have to hide the fact that she takes – I felt like I take my glasses off when I get in a restaurant and hide them in my shirt. She sat down and said – Far be it that people know I have a vision impairment. She sat down and said, I'll take an iced tea and make it a big one because I have pills to take. See the box. That is not the way she did it. That's how it went down.

That's just like you don't pick your nose in public, but if you use a Kleenex and do the very same thing, it just seems acceptable for some reason. Because judgmental prudes like yourselves have problems with them. We have standards. You should be able to farm or blow at the table because it's not a deal. It's not a deal. You know what? I'm going to do it at home. Take that. It is not an issue that she's taking these pills. You're terrible. Look at the prude across the way who's upset that I snotted on the table. That is not an apples to apples comparison. Get over yourself, dude. That is not apples to apples. You've way overreacted on this lady. I could have blown my nose outside or in the bathroom or whatever, but I'm going to do it at the table however I please. And I brought my little porta potty in here because that's what I do at home. Why wouldn't I do it here? Taking pills is not necessarily a privately discussed operation. They don't have their own pill taking room because other people don't want to see you do it. But you could do it anywhere else and you don't need to make a show out of it. She didn't make a show. That's just how she keeps her pills. No, that's tacky.

It's tacky. Oh, jeez. That is tacky. Oh. Yeah, there you go, Mike. Joel Collins agreed with you. Think of that. Now we know you're wrong. He's dead on about this. He's wrong about everything else and he's dead on about this. That's how wrong you are. No, it's tacky. Wait a minute. His wife does work in the pill industry. I'm telling you. He mentioned that. He said that she puts the big person in the trunk, takes the smaller person. Now you've got to carry two persons around. No. Not tacky. I don't know that I would ever go out of my way to not be thought of as tacky by other people. I don't care about. I don't care about anybody. What the heck, man? Excuse me.

Excuse me. That ain't the same. You know what it is. Just because you make an outlandish example and honks not your way in front of a microphone does not make your example any more relevant. That's outrageous. I mean, I know that. That's totally you, dude. It is not the same. I'll take the… Excuse me why I grew myself. You know I need to say… I'll take the kebabs. You just keep making outrageous examples and it is not the same. Are they medium well? I'll take the medium well. Ridiculous. You have been listening to Life in the Past. Hopefully, probably for the last time, I guess. After realizing the judgmental hopes that we have, I can't imagine you never want to leave a comment on the chat. It'll be picked apart by Ben the Maneater. Hey, take your pills in if you want to. As long as you're comfortable being tacky, I suppose that's fine. I'm not saying that people don't take pills. It's not even offensive.

It's just tacky. It's just tacky. Charlton, where were you at on this? Do you think it's tacky as well? You know… Okay. So, yeah. But you said something just a second ago that I always kind of… I don't care what people think about me. So, if that's her stance, then whatever. If she's just comfortable being tacky, then she doesn't care. Then it's cool. Whatever. But it is still tacky. Is it tacky to have a Jesus bumper sticker? Yes. I don't like bumper stickers. If you say, in case of rapture, this vehicle will be unmanned or whatever, that's actually just cruel. Because by the time that that's true, that's not a joke. That guy is in big trouble. So, we think, oh, that's cute. Except for, seriously, at that point in time, that guy's a host. I mean, big host. He probably doesn't get your joke and think it's cute. Yeah, probably not.

Or does he look at the bumper sticker and go, oh, you know what? That's right, because I don't believe in Jesus. My car will be fine. Finally, I can bring my pills in the restaurant without being the ire of everyone. You've been listening to Live from the Path. Next week, make sure you can check us live on Saturday, broadcasting from the Indianola Community Church for the John Waller concert. It starts at 7 o'clock. Get your tickets online at overflowmusic.org. Also, next Monday, Shane Van Hart will be in the studio sharing his sauce with us. And we'll have stuff. Sharing his sauce? Does he make food? Thoughts. Oh. His thoughts. I thought you might have got some free food up in here. Oh, I got a good Shane recipe. And we're talking about bribery next week. Okay. We need some exegesis, Dan, on bribery. What does the Bible say? Beards. Let me see. Let me see. All right.

Thanks for listening. Happy birthday, JC. Have a wonderful week.