Live from the Pathway Studios in Johnston Proper, you are live from the Pathway Studios here in Johnston Proper. Yeah, buddy. Thanks for joining us here on this lovely Monday night. It's getting a little brisk out. You mean chili-wise? It smells good? Yeah. Yeah, brisk. Hey, do they show those, do they still advertise that brisk tea the same way where the guy goes, that's brisk, baby? You mean what?

It was the Sylvester Stallone-looking? Yeah, yeah, that guy. Clayton? No. No, it's out. I think I missed that. Actually, I think they… They got sued? Why? What could possibly be wrong with that? It's brisk, baby. It would really be helpful if I could tell my story, but I can't.

I'd like to listen to your story. I think they had like a, what is it? Remember when they were doing the big aspirin scare where they had all the tabs missing? I think brisk ended up with something in the can, they got sued, and they're gone. They're not even a company anymore. I'll check on it. I'll put the Google ad. I just had a brisk tea like three hours ago. No, that's probably impossible. It was an old one. It was literally 14 years old and tasted horrible, but I had it. There's a syringe.

All right, hey, you're listening live from the path. Thanks for joining us tonight. We got one wingding of a show tonight. First of all, Bob Eisenhower is joining us. Bob, thanks for coming in. Yes, it's my pleasure. He says it now. I just met Bob tonight, and I love Bob because he shows up with gifts. He had a couple candied apples when he walked in the door. I know. Who brings candied apples, right? Yeah.

That's cool. Now, there's a list of people who didn't bring anything. Spikenhauser is on top of the list. I had the intention to. No, that's wonderful. I didn't go as far as getting it. That's the best excuse I've ever heard. I was going to do it, but didn't. Classic. There was no thought process behind it. I was like, I'm not getting it. We're going to learn more a little bit about Bob here in a little bit.

Other things we got coming up. We got a quiz. I don't know if you prepared for it, but we got a quiz. I might have been wrong about that iced tea thing. Okay, fair enough. So the quiz is things heard. I'm going to give you a list of four things. You're going to tell me which one Mike actually witnessed hearing this week during a Christian radio telethon. Mike, you're probably going to have to use another microphone. I don't want to do it. You blow that mic out again. That is really wild.

Yeah. I think there's something deeper than just Mike's breath that's happening. It's every microphone. I know it. Hey, hey, is that going to work for you? Yeah. Okay, so far so good. All right. So anyway, this quiz is awesome. Mike was telling me these things during the week, and I really thought he had made them up. So we're going to go through the quiz, see if you can pick out the ones, legitimate things coming out of the Christian radio telethon. And we're going to walk through that quiz.

Also, we're on week 20 of our – the guy from GodIsImaginary.com has 50 proofs that God is imaginary. We're on week 20, and it has to do with the church. And so we're going to walk through that and see if maybe he's got us on this one. God is 19 and 0. We'll see how 20 shakes out. Also, there's a 50-foot Jesus in Ohio. It just got dedicated this week. I'm excited. No doubt. I'm excited about it. It was a change. The original – I'll tell you the story, but, like, the original Jesus was this, and he got hit by lightning.

And so now he does this. So we're going to talk about that. That's awesome. He's up and rolling. Plus, we got advice. Mike, people – the economy is tough, and people are having a hard time, and family stuff is causing them problems. They're emotionally distressed. Toddlers are on pills, and they just need help. Yeah. Troy is a perfect example, but there's other people, too. Yeah. And they've written into Life from the Path looking for some advice.

People are rude. I mean, they don't bring stuff when they show up places, and so they need advice. Dear Abby, I run a low-rent amateur radio show, and my friends refuse to bring gifts. What do I do? We keep inviting them back. So we're going to hit that on Dear Life from the Path. And also, I got one thing. One thing you need to know this week. Don't let your week go any further. The concept is if I – you had an audience of 10,000 people that came to you on a weekly basis and said, look, I need to know something from you on how to carry on the rest of my week. What would you say?

And so I was thinking about that today on if I had a piece of advice or a piece of life direction. What a pompastic way to live your life. I was thinking about how great it would be for me to speak in front of thousands. The question is, is there something that's part of your life that is important that you could actually share with somebody else? This is getting even better. It's better. Here's what I'll tell you. Everybody has this. You have something that you've learned in your life that's unique to your life or that you've benefited from being a part of or being in a particular circumstance that you could share with other people, but the conversation may or may not come up, right? Just because you went through a particular circumstance this week, I got car trouble, right?

And I hear clicks in the engine, and maybe I figure out what it is. And the next guy that has clicks in the engine car trouble, I don't see for another 15 years. But I could save him the trouble and talk to 10,000 people right now. I feel like you, Tony Robbins, and Joel Osteen could write one heck of a book. One thing. Moving on. That you need to know, seeing as you do not follow my advice from last week. I listen to stories. I listen to your story from last week on a podcast trying to come up with things to yell at Dan about. It was pretty solid. I didn't have anything. Nothing.

I think that's fair. All right. Well, let's tell you what. Let's get to know Bob just a little bit. So Mike has met Bob. Yeah. So Bob was my realtor. And I'm telling you what. He was the best realtor. And this is why. It's because what he didn't do is try to show me like 1,000 houses and drive me around all weekend. Right?

I would call Bob and say, Bob, I found a house. He would say, great. Do you need me to come out? No. Okay. I'll write up the papers. Done. It was the easiest real estate transaction that I was ever a part of. It was awesome. He'd throw bones out there like, what do you think of this one? Ah, forget it. And then I'd just go find one and he'd say, great.

I'll write up the papers. And there was a – I don't know. It was the most excellent real estate experience I've ever had. And so that's why Bob's on the show because he's a high-quality man. It's clients like you that make this job look easy, but I can tell you what. Yes, that's what I'd like to hear. That's what the police department says too. That's right. And so, Bob, where's your guys' office at? Pleasant Hill. Actually, we have an office in Windsor Heights, and then we have a satellite office in Pleasant Hill, and I spend most of my time in Pleasant Hill.

But I'll drive to Pleasantville, wherever we need to go to sell a house. Yeah, just about anywhere, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But like I was saying, most of my clients, they want to look at 20, 30 houses. So if I get somebody like Mike that says, hey, here's the house. Do the paperwork. Let's get this over with. Some people have like a specific idea, maybe some taste involved. No. No.

It had two boards and a door. And I said, yes. Give me that one. Look at that one. It's got windows. We're taking it. So it may have been before that I had a real relationship with Jesus because Bob said, okay, we'll get someone out there to unlock it for you. And I said, no problem. Already taken care of. Already been in it. And so I love it.

Make up the paperwork. And so I may have changed my ways a little bit since then, but God has blessed the house. And so I consider it an excellent transaction. So how long have you been a realtor, Bob? I've been nine years at the end of this year. My dad actually has been doing this for 33 years. So I've been around the business my whole life. Graduated from University of Iowa in 2001 and got my real estate license not too long after. Very cool. Yeah. What, I mean, is it, so you've seen your dad do it, like, after getting into it kind of on your own, is it what you expected?

Do you recognize that parts of his life that you otherwise maybe thought something different about after doing it on your own? You know, I stayed out of it growing up, actually. I didn't pay much attention to it. I knew he worked a lot, and I didn't think I'd ever have any part of it. So I didn't quite know what to expect. But when I got into it, I loved it, and I love it today. The best part about it is there's no monotony in the business. Every day it's something different. Every client's a little bit different. And I was actually, believe it or not, listening to your guys' show last week. I was wondering why I was listening to it up until the end. Everyone says that.

When Ben came up with the one great point. Oh, come on. Yeah. That really caught my attention there. And then I knew why I was listening to the show. I feel sick in my stomach. That's how I feel. I don't even need a house, and I want to call Bob. I tell you what, Bob, sell my house, I'll buy it back from you. Don't end up. What you were talking about is good for us in our everyday life. And to recap, what he was talking about was listening to people.

Whether it's an 18-year-old kid or an 80-year-old woman, people like to talk about themselves and like to talk about what's going on in their lives. And I can't tell you how true I've found that in the real estate world. We get to deal with a lot of lonely people and people that aren't lonely. But if you can get them to open up a little bit and then start talking about themselves and what's going on in their lives, it's amazing how much trust you can gain from a person. So it's good for our business, but it's good to see people get stuff off their chest and to open up a little bit too. I'll tell you why I came to that. So I told you it was based upon the movie, right? But I used to not. The gray.

Yeah, the gray, right? So I used to not suffer stories well from people. I'm like, they don't really want to tell me. They're going to look at small talk. I'm wasting their time. They feel like they have to share too much for me to look like I'm interested. So I tried to stay out of it. There was a guy that I met at work, though. And it's the guy that runs the guard's desk. And I must have ended up talking to that guy in the break room for 25 minutes. And he had, like, the coolest story about his kids and about how he grew up. And he had this disease.

He was supposed to die when he was, like, 19. He's, like, one of the only guys in the United States still living with this disease that he's got. And he's talking about, like, you know, like how his faith has kind of carried him through this stuff and, like, how his mom would kind of instill that in him. And it was just, like, a really cool conversation that three years ago I totally would have bowed out of. I'm like, hey, buddy, have a good one. Another cup of juice for the grind. And head out. Yeah, yeah, disease. See, Bob? Sorry about the disease. It's because if someone were, I would never open up to somebody like that.

And so I assume that if I did, like I'm just trying to tell somebody's story to make them feel like, you know, we're having some kind of moment when really I could have just left it and gone on with my day. And not everybody's me. Like, that guy, I'm sure, love to tell that story. You know, he was – we had a really cool conversation, and it was one that I just would have bailed on. I just – you know, it's not for me. So I got a lot out of it. You know, I really hate to agree with Ben, but he's probably right. You know, actually, there's a – the parts that you generally don't get along with somebody about are the walls that they've built up, right? Like, usually if people are supremely abrasive or irritating or whatever, like, it's just a facade that they've put up as some kind of weird defense to not have to talk to anybody, right? But if you can get past that, they're pretty much the same dude. You know what I'm saying?

They face the same – you know, the same ups, the same downs as everybody else. And actually, it's a – if you want a good instruction on being able to talk to anybody about Jesus at all, you have to get to know them. Otherwise, you're not credible at all. You know, you're just a – you're a salesman, and there's nothing people can't stand more than a phony salesman. Stinking salesman. I'm telling you. Anyway, let's go look at this one over here. Three-bedroom, very nicely. It looks perfect for your home. I've been in there, no dead bodies. Bob, have you ever walked in there and been, like, a dead something in there? There's been dead animals that have no dead bodies.

Like an elk or just like a – Raccoons. An elk. An elk. I'm sure. Well, it looks like the elk caught it right over here. We can fix that right up. There's an exact elk-shaped hole in the wall. They're aggressive around here. I'm sorry. So here's what I want to know in the realtor business is you guys always act like you know everything about every house. I'm like, you're making this up as you go.

I also see it's a nice hardwood floor. I mean, I can see there's a closet there, and you act like, no, if you look in here, it's very spacious. Well, because you've been in 17 houses just like us. You pretty much know what that closet's going to look like, right? I mean, you don't really, like, know. No, no. That's one thing I'm good about is if I don't know, I'll tell you. Hey, I don't know. I'll find out for you. There's always a little story. Well, they just got mothballs in here. Other than that, I think it's pretty good to go.

Everybody has an elk these days. Yeah, that's right. It's all the rage in Waukee. Trying to help the population. Jimmy Durante wants to ask for directions at this front door. Now imagine that about the fireplace. That'd be nice. So did Hoffa. Who knows? If these walls could talk, that's what I always say. He really angered an elk. All right.

Well, anyway, it's great to have Bob in here. Bob, thanks for taking time out of your night to come on Live from the Path. Thank you. So we'll look. Bob is free to discourse as he pleases. I expect him to disagree with Mike. All right. You join everyone else that comes on the show. So here's what we're going to do. We're going to get right to, because I do love this quiz and I'm excited about it. But we're going to walk through things heard to raise money on Christian radio. All right.

So you can see this. You guys can see this on the screen. I'm going to give you a list of four things, and you're going to tell me which one was legitimately heard this week on a Christian radio in an attempt to raise money. Ready? Okay. And Mike doesn't get to vote, because he's the provider of the answers. All right. How many are there? I mean, there's four total. And we're supposed to choose one of the four. Yeah, one of the four.

Okay, ready. Here we go. Options number one. Which one of these was heard on a Christian radio station during a fundraiser? A. Remember when David beat Goliath? That wouldn't have happened if his daddy never bought him a slingshot. B. For your $30 donation, we'll send you this commemorative American flag pin as a sign of the Lord's blessing. C. We are busy, and sometimes we just don't have time to spread the gospel. That's where this radio station comes in. Or D. God can only do so much without your monetary support. Wow.

One of those is true. One of those is true. Troy, what are your thoughts? Oh, man. I'm going to go with B. For your $30 donation, we'll send you this commemorative American flag pin as a sign of the Lord's blessing. Yep. Okay. Troy's in with B. Bob, what are your thoughts? I was thinking the same thing, B.

Okay. Two votes for B? Mm-hmm. Okay. Hudson, what do you think? I'm going with C, because I can see some cheesy radio station say, now we all know we need to tell the gospel, but I know you're too busy. Just give us your money. We'll do it for you. We'll take the responsibility right off of you. Okay. Hudson's in with C.

I hope not. Okay. Here we go. Answer is C. Yes! No one knows cheesy Christian radio like Dan Hudson. I've been doing cheesy radio for 25 years. I'm sorry. Ever since the second chapter of Acts. I know you're busy, and the Lord Jesus, before he left, said, go and pay others to make disciples. That's what it was. We got your back.

Oh, what a bummer. Although, I should give half points for B, because I have seen that a ton, especially on TV. Televangelists will sell you some eagle statue or some kind of goofy thing. It's totally not. I remember seeing that when I was like 10, and I was watching some kind of televangelist program. They're like, let's send you this American eagle as a sign of the Lord's blessing in your home. I'm like, why does that mean the Lord's blessing? I was 10. I didn't get it.

I'm like, I think I want one. Maybe. That looks cool. How much is it? What will the Lord do with my money? I'm sure. God says, good. He's tied like I asked him to. Let's send him some knickknacks and crap, because I want to populate garage sales for the next 10 years. I'm trying to run an economy. Thus saith the Lord.

All right. So, okay. All right. Answer was C. Here we go. Next. Which one of these was heard on a Christian radio station during a fundraiser? A, that's not guilt you're feeling right now. It's God telling you that it's time for you to make a donation. B, you know Canada's going down the tubes because they do not have any Christian radio stations. Not one.

C, failure to donate is a vote for Obama. D, we have three callers on the line. Let's pray together that they do the right thing and give generously. Troy. I'm going to go for D. You're on D. Three callers on the line. Okay. Bob? I got to go with C. I can see that. Right now.

Oh, yeah. Hudson. I'm going with A. All right. Hudson's in for A. Here we go. Ready? Answer is D. Three callers on the line. Let's pray together. They do the right thing and give generously. You heard?

Is this the same radio show as the last? So they're asking the radio listeners, let's all pray together? Yeah. Yeah. For the poor sucker that you've convinced the callers. Grandma's on the line. The three people that were on air would then pray together. They'd say, look, we've got three callers in the bank. Let's go ahead and pray that they do the right thing and give generously. And we need them to take care of this. We need them to do the right thing here. And what we need.

Oh, I can't tell you the next part because it's probably the next question. Were they praying in unison? Yeah. Like all at once? Yeah, it was a certain religion. I don't really want to give it away, but they have a lot of prescripted prayers that they all know. And so they would all say them at once. And then, you know what was weird, though? I don't know if this will give it away or not, but like they end the prayer twice. Like they say, thank you, Lord Jesus. And then they go, thank you, Lord Jesus. And then thank you.

They said it like three times to end the prayer. I'm like, man, I felt like the first one was sufficient. But then they just kept ending it, you know? And it was odd. They could have released, you know, thank you, Lord Jesus. Thank you, Holy Spirit. Thank you, Father. No, no. Just Jesus over. Got the Trinity. Jesus handles the generosity part. Thank you, Apostle Paul.

The Holy Spirit does the whooping. The Holy Spirit does the whooping. That's a t-shirt. All right, here we go. Ready? Next set. Which one of these was heard on a Christian radio station during a fundraiser? A, Tim Tebow gives to Christian radio. Will you? B, now don't be worried if you don't have the money in your account right now. Go ahead and pledge. Step forward in faith.

C, your $5 pledge will get you a free bookmark. D, that's how you stay holy, friends. Read your Bible, make time to pray, and support Christian radio. Dan, you're up first. B. B, now don't be worried if you don't have the money in your account right now. Go ahead and pledge. Step forward in faith. You got to believe, brother. All right. Bob. I'll go with D.

He's with D. Stay holy, friends. Stay holy, friends. Like a Dosakis man. It's the friends. That's what's going to give it away. Troy. I'm agreeing with Dan with B. You're on B. Yep. All right. Nobody went with the Tim Tebow gives to Christian radio, eh?

Or C. I thought for sure I'd have you. Everyone does what Tebow does. The answer is B. Now don't be worried. If you don't have the money in your account, go ahead and pledge. Step forward in faith. Followed by an explanation of, listen, it's just a pledge. We need as many pledges as we can get. If you can't follow through with it, it's not like we're going to send people to your house. You just don't pay. I believe I use that line every Sunday, don't I?

Just write the check, all right? Throw it in the offering. It is unimportant whether it cashes or not. God will get you then. That counts. Go out and get some pop cans this afternoon. The Lord largely subsists on promises. Yeah. I feel like this goes against… Lord, I will repent. Don't you know? I feel like it goes against direct biblical principle of living outside your means, you know, like pledging money that you don't have.

Good call. Or giving under compulsion. Yeah. Either way. I don't know. These were classic. I tried to record some of it with my iPod while I was driving so I could play some of it for you. It was always cheesy. That's awesome. Super cheesy. So it was all on the same radio show. Yeah, same radio.

Within five minutes? Yeah. I probably listened to it for three hours that day. Like I meant to change the channel. Yeah, but they just kept saying things that were outrageous to me. And I'm like, I have to keep listening. It's like a car wreck. I was texted men every ten minutes. I go, dig this thing, you know? It was crazy. Gold. All right, here we go.

Last one. Last set. Ready? All right, here we go. Which one of these was heard on a Christian radio station during a fundraiser? A, your money goes to fund beautiful pamphlets and tracts that can be left at malls and senior living centers throughout the United States. B, despair, depression, poverty. Christian radio has helped you out of these things. Now it's time to return the favor. C, what will you do with the 30 pieces of silver in your pocket? D, if you give it the $1,000 level, you will be an apostle.

I want to be an apostle. I really want to get to apostle. Troy. I'm a disciple. You're up. Okay. Oh, you didn't have it. Okay, there we go. Sorry. There you go. That's no problem. I was trying to remember it as you went by and I'm horrible at these kind of things.

I'm going to go with A. Your money goes to fund beautiful pamphlets for malls and senior living centers. Uh-huh. Classic. Bob. Before I give my answer, I want to know who comes up with the fake answers. Did you do that, Mike? No, that's Ben. I did that. Okay, those are pretty good. Pretty clever. Let's see.

What did you say? I said A. I'm going to say B. You have a choice. You're wrong. I have a choice wrong. I don't think Ben couldn't write that. I don't think that's got to come out of the guy's mouth. Hudson. Well, I can't imagine a radio station asking for money so they can print literature because they're on the airwaves. Sorry, Tori.

Good point. I'm going to go with B because that sounds pretty cheesy. Look how we helped you. Now help us. We'll see what happens. You scratched our back. You scratch ours. Jesus loves you. Here we go. The answer is… Whoops. Whoa.

I can't get to it anymore. There we go. D, if you give it the $1,000 level… You are kidding me. You will be an apostle. Please. No. That's what it was. Was that just that day or is the offer still staying? They were on the end of a two-week bender of doing this thing and they're like, we need people to give it the apostle level. If you were $2,000, you were Archangel.

So the offer's over though. I can't be an apostle today. The time has come and gone for you to be an apostle of Jesus Christ. That's if I just want to go to heaven. $20. Can I get a rain check on the apostle now? You could be a disciple for $500. You could be an apostle. Oh, no. I'm going to put apostle in a layaway place. That's crazy. All right.

So thank you for hanging out with us. You've just been listening to Things Heard to Raise Money on Christian Radio from Life It's no wonder the apostle Paul is so upset. You know what I'm saying? He's dead broke. I just want to serve communion. That's really all I want to do. Ah, the $1,000 apostle. Do I get a t-shirt? You know, it's his thing. I'm driving around listening to this thing going, I just, I can't believe this is actually happening.

Like, I can't believe this is happening. You know what? Where was back in the day when they're like, listen, if God's moving you to donate to keep this ministry going, donate. If he's not and he's got you donating somewhere else, do that. Just do whatever God tells you to do. These guys are like, I'm sure the Holy Spirit is leading you in this direction. If he's not, you're not paying attention to the Holy Spirit. I'm like, are you kidding me? I'm pretty sure I'm going to throw up soon. Oh, man. Here's the thing.

They made money hand over fist. Here's the deal. They're making big money. We're not making anything. I feel like theirs is effective. Maybe not holy, but certainly effective. You don't think maybe they'll answer to God for some of this? I sure hope so. Here's the thing. I hope so. I don't know if this is God's land or not, but it would be pretty funny if they showed up and he's like holding the grain and it's like, is apostles still open?

I want in. I'm really digging the name. You know, here's the deal. It's like, go to the other side of the chasm. There's a lot less people in here because only you were spreading the gospel and they didn't like you. You know, realistically, ministry in general does thrive. People's donations do fund it, right? People need money to thrive. It's like, it's just, it's total manipulation. It's the very thing that God said not to do. Jesus says, look, people shouldn't be given under compulsion and like you were just finding

creative ways to compel someone. Like if you're given because God, to support God's ministry and the ministry of people that God has blessed, then like that's great. That's awesome. If you're given because God has asked for the tithe to keep people, that ministry going, awesome. But like if you're given because some guy convinced you to do it or because you felt guilty about it, like God doesn't want your money. He doesn't need your money. He owns everything anyway. Like yours isn't doing anything else except for assuaging your own feelings about the Yeah, it's the same way that we always end up talking about the tithe, right?

Like it's not the money. The money is not what it's at. God's setting up safeguards for you to keep yourself from worshiping money. Like if God said it was 50%, you smile and hand over the check and you're like, God, whatever it takes for me not to be worshiping money. If you need 50, I'll give 50. I don't care. Tell me what it takes. You know, he set the bar at 10, thankfully, because I need the 19. But like, you know what I'm saying? Like the money is not the object. The point is to make money, not the object, you know?

Well, the point is he wants you. Yeah, exactly. He owns your money. He's got it. I mean, what are you going to hold on to it so tight he can't grab it? It's like, I hope 10 other people give because I'd like to be an apostle. I need more apostles. I'm saving up so I can get an apostle. You know, it was terrible. They list off like 10 guys. They're like, thank you for that $60 donation. Thank you for that.

We really need an apostle. We really need an apostle here. We're never going to make our goal. Listen, the hour is almost over. The hour is almost over. And we are not at our preset goal, right? I'm like, fellas, give it up. You know what I'm saying? If Jesus is behind your ministry, he'll fund it. He'll use people to fund it. He'll fund it. He'll get it funded, right?

But, like, I don't know, hammering a people like that for cash, it just makes me feel gross inside that I'm part of this. You know what I'm saying? As far as people see, that's everybody. That's all Christianity. You know what I'm saying? They think God's some kind of crazy travel-by-night gypsy that'll take your money and then run away. Yeah. Although I think that after the show tonight, we should maybe come up with our own pitch. Some levels, you know? You want to be a caterpillar? Yeah, there you go. We could do it, you know.

We want to be a dove. Without biblical abscones, we can just, if you give less than ten bucks, you're a Judas. It's more of a slam than an up. Actually, if you steal 90 of our own, that makes you a Judas. This guy's check bounced. He's a Judas. Judas. All right, well, congratulations. All right, let's keep rolling. So here we go. We're on week 20. Proof number 20 from the guy from GodisManager.com who probably would have enjoyed such a broadcast.

Excellent. His proof number 20, this is bound to be classic. Notice your church. Here are six important statements about wealth from the Bible. This guy's looking at churches, and he's talking about wealth, and he seems to be upset about it. Matthew 6, 19 says, Luke 14, 33 says, Any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple. Matthew 6, 24 says, No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money. Matthew 19, 21,

Jesus answered, If you want to be perfect, go sell your possessions, give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come follow me. See, I'll pick out a couple more. He lists Acts 2. All the believers were together and had everything in common, selling their possessions, excuse me, and goods they gave to everyone as he had need. Now, he continues, The next time you go to church, look at the building. At any normal church in America, the church building is an immense structure worth significant amounts of money. And he shows a picture of a typical, what he calls a typical church, in Colonial Baptist Church in Raleigh, North Carolina. Let's see if I can get you a picture. Oh, yeah, there's big columns.

Hold on here. You can't see it. This is the picture he basically provided. There's big columns and stuff. Looks like some kind of, I don't know, castle. That's what he, that's the typical church in Raleigh. The church website says, let's see, church fellowship voted unanimously to relocate the church campus. As a result of God's gracious plan, our site immediately became inadequate to facilitate our growing numbers. They're on 33 acres. Praise God with whom all blessings flow. They have a soccer field, indoor basketball courts, dozens of meeting rooms and classrooms, several buses, a library, huge sanctuary, and ample free parking. He says, one obvious question asked after reading the church's statement is this.

If all blessings flow from God, then why are his blessings so amazingly unbalanced? Why are tens of thousands of children dying of starvation every day on this planet while Colonial Baptist Church is blessed with such wealth? Why wouldn't God spread his blessings evenly among all his children? Answer, because God is imaginary. Now, he's got another article with a description of the Catholic Church. He says, the Vatican's treasure of solid gold has been estimated by the United Nations World Magazine to amount to several billion dollars. A large bulk of this is stored in gold ingots with the U.S. Federal Reserve Bank, while banks in England and Switzerland hold the rest. And then he says, the contradiction is startling. Nowhere in Jesus' teaching is it suggested that Christians should buy land and build church buildings with indoor basketball courts. Nowhere does Jesus suggest the accumulation of billions of dollars in gold bars. Christians are supposed to sell everything and give the money to the poor according to Jesus. Yet church congregations do exactly the opposite on a regular basis.

Building a large sanctuary in indoor basketball courts is an exercise in vanity, ego-boosting, selfishness, and human pride. These attributes are the opposite of Jesus' prescriptions, and everyone knows it. Church congregations regularly and willfully ignore Jesus' teachings because they know that Jesus is imaginary. Mike? You know, to a certain extent, I agree with them. I mean, you know, we do get into a self-perpetuating pattern sometimes as church things. Like, we can't worship Jesus without these conditions. You know, there's missionaries out there and, you know, people in poorer countries that are worshiping the same God we are, you know, sitting on dirt and, you know, drinking water for communion. You know, but I agree to some extent. To other extents, I mean, God blesses who he blesses. I don't know God's motivation on how that works. You know, I'd like to say that I can explain it to you and make it sound all fair, but, I mean, the verse I come back to a lot of the times is a prayer of a righteous man.

What is it? Oh, that's a prayer of a righteous man who's hurt. I don't know. Basically, it has to do with, look, if you're following God, God tends to heed your prayers. It's powerful and effective. Exactly. Exactly. And so it's not saying that, I guess what I'm saying is that, like, if you're submitting yourself to God and he chooses to bless you, great. You know, and the same thing for, you know, some of the poor situations. If you're submitting yourself to God, you know, it's a blessing there, too. And so, you know, I agree with him to a certain extent that we do do that, you know. I think we've got to be careful because the categorization of what is a blessing I think is problematic.

All the stuff that he's talking about may not be a blessing from God. It very well may be a distraction, right, because you end up worshiping church buildings. You end up worshiping what kind of sweet campus we have. And, you know, like, there's a level of wealth in the United States that, you know, people are giving to the church and producing an environment where people can come worship. Like, there's nothing inherently wrong with that. But the question is, are you, you know, are you seeking to glorify the church body or the church organization as opposed to, does everything point to God or do things point back to how important or sweet you are in your particular community? You know, money can serve the community. Money can serve people. You know what I'm saying? You want to – it's a cold night and you want to bring people in off the streets. They've got to stay somewhere. You know what I'm saying?

Like, if you meet in the streets, you can't offer that to them to come warm up in. You know what I'm saying? So, like, having facilities where people can get a meal or come worship God or have meetings and stuff, like, there's nothing wrong with any of that. But I would be careful in saying that automatically because you have an indoor basketball court or tennis courts on your church campus, that that is a blessing from God. That could potentially be a distraction depending on why it's there and what it is intended as a tool to bring people to Jesus more than, oh, our people need a place to play basketball. I mean – Yeah, I don't know. Bob, what do you think? So, first of all, I was wondering – I just wanted to ask a few questions about this guy's website. Yeah, yeah. We all have questions. Okay.

Mike, this is the first time I'd ever heard of it when Mike told me to look this up not too long ago on godisimaginary.org, I believe it is. Yep. I know what tens of thousands of listeners out there know all about it from your show. But I'm new to it, and I did some research, and I was trying – really trying to figure out what this guy's angle is and where he's coming from. I'm assuming it's a guy. So I don't know if somebody can just quickly in, you know, 30 seconds or a minute tell me, you know, who this guy is, what he's about. Is he really – is this sincere? Is he really trying to – I think he's sincere. I think he's honest. I think he's an atheist who's been hurt and let down by the church at some point in his life, and so he's just trying to come up with 50 reasons he thinks that God is imaginary. So this is really somebody trying to poke a hole.

Oh, yeah. I think he thinks he's being honest. And so, like, we're walking through this exercise because I think you have people that sit where this guy sits and can read these things and be affirmed on what they, I think, want to believe by things that are written on the website. So the thought is, is, like, are these really proofs that God is imaginary or, like, you know, if someone's in the same position as this guy is, you know, what – we should be able to provide answers. We should be able to provide answers for the hope that you have. We should be able to – if there's things that he's looking at and say, I don't know that this jives with the Bible, we should be able to answer. He raises some great questions, you know. I mean, I don't agree with a lot of the stuff he says, but like Mike says, some of the stuff I do agree with and some of the things are, you know, good questions that if you're an outsider or a nonbeliever, I can see where you would look at a megachurch and say, how and why is that right? You know, when we've got whole countries of, you know, people in poverty that, you know, don't have anything to eat for days or weeks at a time. But, you know, then my next thought was, hey, if this guy was in front of me talking to me about this, it's kind of like what you said, Dan. And I guess the reason or the way I would justify, you know, having such a nice facility is, you know, it's an outreach to the community. You know, hopefully we don't need to have the nicest, you know, sound system and the biggest congregation and the best basketball court.

But, hey, if the Lord blesses you with those kinds of tools and you're using it as a tool, as an outreach to the community to bring people in and hopefully eventually, you know, bring them to Christ, you know, then it's a good thing. But, yeah, it's interesting. I can see as an out, you know, if you were a nonbeliever, looking at something as God is, some of these churches are, you know, and then seeing, you know, whole countries and civilizations that, you know, barely can get a bite to eat. Well, and he, I don't know anything about this colonial Baptist church, no clue. But I'm going to guess if it's a pretty large church and it has a large building, it probably has a pretty large budget, I'll bet a good chunk of that goes to feed hungry people and clothe poor people and help homeless people. Well, and, of course, he doesn't bring that up or talk about that. I mean, is the tennis court really necessary, though? You know what I'm saying? Like, outreach is outreach, but I mean, like, the basketball court, like, seriously? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what their reasoning was. What do you think he goes?

He does a basketball court, dozens of meeting rooms, and ample free parking. I don't know that the free parking is a real jab in the side. That seems pretty reasonable to me. If you start charging people to park for the church, you know, meeting. Okay, so here's the part where I think it has to do with what people think that they need to worship God. You know what I'm saying? Like, I feel like to a certain extent, and we've perpetuated it, too, by offering so much. It's like, they feel that they've got to have the donut and the coffee, otherwise they're not coming. You know what I'm saying? If that place doesn't have donut and coffee, they're not going to go. If they don't have free childcare and my kid has to sit with me, I'm not going to go. If they don't have a basketball court and a men's group that gives free breakfast on Saturday, I'm going to find another place to worship.

Right? These are great benefits, and I think they're awesome fellowship made between people in your congregation, right? But, like, I think what tends to happen is people look at the church and say, I want the church to sponsor all these things that I see as being very important. I do this all the time. I come up with whack ideas and try to get Ben and Dan on board with it and be like, hey, the church should do this, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And really it was just my idea. I should find another guy in the church, and we should go hang out and do that. You know, but, like, people get so used to, like, pointing up at the church, they feel like, look, we've donated money to the deal. It's God's money. We should be able to use God's money because we're God's people. Here's what we're going to do with it. We're going to build a basketball court for us to have interleague, you know, church competitions with other churches.

Now, is that a bad thing? No. But, like, is that an outreach? It doesn't feel like one. It feels like we're just kind of going to be Christian buddies in a big space. If we had a gym and we had tournaments and half of your team had to be non-church people, I'd do that. That'd be kind of weird. Hey, Earl, we need to pay you to church. Awesome. It's going to be weird. I set up a really broad example, and then Dan gave a very specific instance where that would not be palatable.

I'm just saying. Now, here, back to his main point, though. Once again, he's using Scripture out of context. He's using specific conversations between Jesus and an individual and saying, see, the whole church is supposed to do that. But there are some of these verses that are specifically for the whole church, and he is right in the fact. Well, let's see. How did he? What was his last? I actually went to the webpage this time. The church congregations regularly and willfully ignore Jesus' teaching because they know that Jesus is imaginary. I'd say no, but I would agree they regularly and willfully ignore Jesus' teaching because they're not really followers. They're not Christ followers, which we keep telling people that that's our plea around here.

You can call yourself whatever you want. If you're not following Christ, you're not a Christ follower. And there's a lot of people within the church who don't really follow Christ. They're just playing the game. They're part of the club. They're whatever. You should take their basketball court away. Maybe they'd get more serious. Whatever. Go to the room of spikes. And even so, but the point is that it does not disprove the existence of God. It proves, once again, there are some pretty poor followers.

Yeah. I think something you said that was pretty critical, again, there, Dan, is out of context. Whenever you run into a person like this or a website like this, they pull a lot of stuff out of the Bible, and most of it's out of context. I kept looking at that Matthew 19, 21, and knowing a little bit about what that chapter is about, that it's so far out of context. But to somebody that doesn't know the Bible, or is a non-believer, or is somebody that is looking to disprove the Bible. A quick Google search will get you what you need. They'll cling to stuff like this and walk away with it. Yeah. All right. Well, it sounds like God's still real. Yeah. So he has valid points, but God's still real.

Yeah. Well, and basically, his proofs are always proofs of how we're not following Jesus correctly. I think Dan probably nailed that right on the head, right? Like, there's a lot of good things. Obviously, the Bible's infallible, and if it were followed, we'd be all right. But he's looking at God's church, at Jesus' church, and saying, look, you guys aren't fitting the bill. And we're standing in God's church going, I know, we're failing, and we're on our knees every night looking for grace to start over again. And we get it, and we do it, and then we fail again, and we just keep having at it. You know what I'm saying? And that's the benefit of having a Savior that's offered us the grace that he has. You know what I'm saying? Because we're never going to fit the bill.

You're never going to nail it 100%. Now, if you're not working, then you're just lazy. You know what I'm saying? If you're not trying to do that, then you're taking God's grace for granted. But, I mean, he does have a solid point that the church is not the best example of the Bible. But the Bible's the best example from the Bible, and that's what we're shooting for. Yeah. One thing that I gathered out of reading a lot of this guy's stuff on the website is how interesting it is to think that the Lord uses an atheist and somebody that's so against everything that we believe to point out, you know, where maybe we're falling short or doing things wrong. You know, again, it's pretty easy, I think, on a lot of stuff to refute what he's saying. But after you read through it, he makes some good solid points, and, you know, you kind of feel ashamed for, you know, for thinking you need, you know, climate controlled, and you need, you know, Starbucks at your church, and thinking you need the HD screens behind the pastor and, you know, everything else like that, that, you know, you shouldn't need that building and all that stuff. A radio studio. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, this is like all we've got. We meet in a school. We meet in somebody else's building. And we largely don't get to control the climate. In a gym. That's right. Salt of the earth. That's us. We've sold everything we have. You know, I have, I've thought, I think of that every once in a while, and I think to myself, you know, you know, is even this, this is like a ton of fun, and I get a lot out of it, and I hope that other people do, but, like, are we using God's money well? Right. Should we beat the streets?

Yeah. I mean, would it have been better served to do other things? And I think those are, I think those are always, they're always an appropriate question. Like, I don't care where you're at. Yeah, but see, even, okay, we have a window and a wall that we took from Mike's house that he took from someone's garbage. We have, all right, Dan, you know, I don't know they had a bad tech. We have a guy on the wall that's a bathroom sign. That guy was 10 cents in a game. You know, we have a couple instruments laying in here that no one wants, so we'll put them on a wall. That's true. That's true. And this table, we literally got off the street.

Yeah, I found it in the garbage. I mean, what else can we do? We can sell our microphones and get a burger. This is the thing. The Lord has blessed us. We have a table and a window and two guitars. And we're using it for God's glory. That's right. Is there a story behind the man on the wall? Okay. Ben decided that he wanted our logo to be easily recognizable. And so he picked the guy off the bathroom so that every time you went to the bathroom, you would think of Live from the Path.

I see. I think right now he has to go to the bathroom. He's kind of a little angled. Now, here. Good luck finding another icon that is as recognizable that is not copyrighted. You can't copyright the bathroom guy. That's a good point. Yeah. We're in. Yes. Thank you, Jesus. Potty talk.

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You ready for the one thing? Yes. Hold on. Let me bring more air in the room so you can have it. So, and maybe this is more talking to me because I think I am susceptible to not taking this advice. But 10,000 guys, right? Big podium. They're saying, I need to hear from Ben this week. What would Ben say? And Ben would say, live your days like you want to live your life. Because I think a lot of times we have an idea. If you thought to yourself, at the end of my life, here's what I want people to say about me.

And they're usually good things. You know, say I love my family. Say I said nice things, you know, that I worked hard, blah, blah, blah, blah. But that often, we set up the shell of where we want to be. And then we try to fill in the gaps of behavior to ultimately get there. And a lot of times we fall way short. We don't take the little moments or the little bits of time to actually fulfill what is it that we want to be. So what I would say is look at your day and say the same thing that you would put on your entire life. Here's what I want people to say about me, about my life. Here's what I want people to say about me today. Here's what I want my life to look like today. Our goals are way too long.

They're way too big. We set long-term things and we want to build up to them and increment up to them as opposed to taking opportunities that exist right now. You can bank on the possibilities of a thousand tomorrows or really strive for the progress of a single today. And I think that's the thing that I would say to do to focus on this week. That, you know, some of the things, hey, I want to read my Bible daily. Why don't I start today? It's a daily commitment. You know, stop whatever I'm doing and make sure that that's true today. I had that. We have a reading with our life transformation groups, right? Like we're 20, 25, 30 chapters of Scripture a week for these guys. And, like, I had to put a limit on myself where if I read them all the day before, it no longer counts.

Yeah, I got it done, but that wasn't the point. I need to be reading it daily. And I'm doing it all. It's getting better. I'm, like, two or three days before and using those three days and I'm getting it all in. But really, I want to be daily. I want to be daily Bible reading. And so I thought of this. It was Thursday night. It was the afternoon or the evening after by LTG thing. I'm like, I really want to be doing this daily. And I thought, okay, maybe I could just start today, right now.

And then I got one in. And then the next day, I was able to keep reading, right? And so, like, my daily started that day. And so I guess that's the thing. It's, like, it's totally cool to have long-term goals. I'm glad that people have ambitions for their life and to see, you know, like, here's how I want to remember it. Here's what I want to do. But, like, seriously, do it now. Live it today. Start to cast the vision for the next hour, for the next half a day, for the next evening. You know, I want to show love to my family. Well, I'll schedule a vacation two weeks from now.

No, why don't I just schedule 20 minutes at least today? So that's what it is. Live your days. Live your minutes. Live your hours like you want to live your life. And then you don't have to plan for your life because you lived your minutes and your hours and your days like that. And your life was exactly what you wanted it to be. I hate it when you say stuff like this, Ben. Do it. I'm glad I came. It's because no one could talk after Ben because you sound like a dumb street mime after he says stuff like that. So if I want to be an apostle, what you're saying is what you're saying.

Troy, do you find this, you know, usable? Absolutely. I actually have been struggling with the same thing with the Bible reading. I found myself able to read about 20, 25 chapters in my life transformation group in about an hour and a half before I needed to be meeting my partner. And that's one of the things that I've been trying to do. I realized that I have so much trouble throughout the week when I'm trying to stay strong as a Christ follower myself. And I'm trying to stay on the things that I'm working on a daily basis with my walk with God. And I find that if I'm not daily immersed in the word and daily praying with God and daily truly trying to seek God on an actively daily basis instead of just what have I done this week? More like what have I done today? If I had LTG today, what would be my answer for this question? If I had LTG today, what would be my answer for this question? And I agree entirely with that.

And we actually had a guy on the show quite a while ago, a couple months ago, I remember. He said something about making sure that we're putting on the armor of God every morning. And it's kind of like you brush your teeth in the morning, you wake up, you shower up, shave if you've got to be shaving for your job or anything like that. Because that's the only reason a man would shave. Well, I will admit that if I don't have to shave for my job, I will not shave. I do what I want to do. I'm just saying. I go grizzly man if I have to. And he put it in perspective of a lot of people do that just for their daily routine. But a lot of people don't realize that we need to do that in our walk as well. We need to get up and spiritually put on the armor of God every morning. If you're waking up 20 minutes before you need to leave and you're not praying before you need to go to work, you're not doing anything, you're not preparing yourself for the day as a Christ follower, wake up an hour earlier.

Get there. Get there. Make sure that you're waking up, making sure that you're in tune with God for that day, ready to take on the world as if when you step out of that door or even wake up when your mind starts going conscious thoughts. You need to make sure your armor is on because Satan is going to get at you. You're going to be tempted. You're going to be sinning. And you need to be with God all day, every day. I thought, I like that for the opposite side of the shirt. You're going to be sinning. And the back says, Holy Spirit does the whooping. It's going to make us millions. We don't have to prod money out of nobody.

Actually, Troy, if I had to talk to the 10,000 things, like Troy just reminded me, I've had a really good comparison week experience to reading my Bible every day and then not. And it is a huge difference. I mean, it honestly is. And I thought, how important can it really be? If I just read the 30, you know, I spur it over three days. I don't read it every day. And I did it every day once. And I tell you what, it is so much easier. I don't know why. It is so much easier to maintain that relationship with God and not start feeling drifting away. And I think I heard a preacher say it I was listening to last week. And he goes, there's no purgatory with your relationship with God.

Either you're moving forward or you're moving back. And I mean, it's honestly the truth. If you're getting yourself in your Bible every day and talking to God, you know, as a conversation, those are way better than the phony prayers I've been throwing up for 25 years. You know what I'm saying? Like, I turn off the radio when I'm driving somewhere and I say, here's what I got going. You know, let me know what you want me to do or what do you think or, you know. Hey, Dad. Hey, Dad. Here's where we're at. Hey, Dad. You know what I'm saying?

Instead of, oh, holy father, I bought the pin, the eagle pin. And I feel like your presence is a blessing to me. You know what I'm saying? You'll recognize my voice. This is Mike the Apostle. I gave $1,001. I am an apostle. And plus a dollar. I am Matthias. I'm 1,001. I'm an apostle plus one. But, like, if there's anything that I can impress upon somebody, like, if you have, I mean, you're in, right?

You love Jesus, you're in. You want to, you know, move along and progress your faith? Just read your Bible every day. It doesn't have to be mega chapters, you know? You have to listen to ten sermons. Just read five chapters a day and digest it and call it what it is, you know? I mean, like, honestly, you'll develop conversations with God like you know him instead of you're afraid of him or are talking to a business partner. Because that's not a relationship. That's a business relationship. It's not a personal relationship. And a personal relationship with Christ is, that's what we're after, right? Because we're going to spend eternity with him.

You just won't get to know him. Yeah. Absolutely. Like, I'm one of the luckiest people in the world because I have this job where that is my job. You know, I mean. Lucky. Yeah, I know. It's just like, I'll think, you know, I haven't really read the Bible for myself, so I just do. You know, because I happen to be here. Or, you know, of course, now we have Bibles on phones and everything. But, yeah, I'm pretty spoiled. I've been pretty spoiled my whole life.

And thanks, guys. Thanks for making it relatable for all of us. Thanks for being apostles because that pays my salary. So I can lay around and read the Bible. I'm sorry you blue-collar stiffs are stuck without Jesus. I'm just living it up in my church office. Hey, man. Somebody has to use the tennis court, all right? I don't know why you guys are all out working. What we need is a Jesus ball, okay? All right. All right.

There you go, Mike. People need help. They do. Let's see. Here's what they said. Boy, they sound confused. Here we go. Dear life from the path. My boyfriend of one year has told me he needs to focus on getting his life together. I like the honesty of this man. Getting a better job, concentrating on his career, and finding himself. Let's take it to Tanker.

No, no. At this point in his life, he knows he can't provide for me and give me what I want, which is to settle down in a few years. He said he's unsure when he will have his life together, and he doesn't want me to wait for him. He feels he needs to be selfish now and focus only on himself. Man. Wait, now, you said this is the boyfriend of one year? Yeah. Yeah. Was there the number 17 in there somewhere that I just threw that under my head? No, you've thrown it in. Okay. Never mind then.

We have talked about… I feel like you're helpful, Dan. I'm an apostle. Things come to me sometimes. The Holy Spirit speaks through me and my money. We have talked about breaking up, and while he has faith that we will be together again, I can't bring myself to end things with this amazing man. Oh, buddy. The writing's on the wall. So here's what you're saying. What are you saying, Mike? I'd like to meet her father. You know what I'm saying?

I'd like to go talk to her father and say, why is your daughter so deceived on how a man is supposed to be? And say, Dad, we need to sit down and have a talk because I feel like your daughter has a terrible example of what a man is supposed to be and is willing to drag herself around with a man who wants to be selfish for a while. So this is not a good example of a fella, and I certainly would not want to give my daughter away to a guy who thinks like this. It's destructive. He makes me nauseous. This man's behavior makes me nauseous for having to potentially run into this woman sometime and her look at me as a man and see that guy, and I have no defense of him. True. She makes me nauseous in that she's trying to hang on. He's already left. What else does he have to say for her? Yeah, really. It's like, move on.

Yeah, what's the conversation like? He seems to have spelled it out. I want to be selfish for a while. I want to be selfish. It's not me. It's you. Right. It's not you. It's me. So that's the thing. Dan's probably right. They have the conversation.

He's pretty much laid it out. He's done. We're done. And she's like, I'd like to hold on to this man. Please live in the path talk you made to stay. Dude, get on your way. Girl, go talk to your dad. Ask him why he failed you. Yeah, boy, I feel like he's really dropped the ball. The dad or the guy? Well, I… So you want to credit the guy for being honest?

Kind of. I mean, he's a sleaze. They're just dating. I mean, they're not married. They're dating. That's why you date, to see if you want to marry the person. He doesn't want to marry her. Well, but he reveals to me… Move on. He doesn't seem like he's marriage material across the board. He will go through and offend and mistreat some woman along the line. He's only 17 years old.

He doesn't seem like he's misleading her, though. He's telling her, you know… That's true. That's true. He's pretty up front. Yeah, that's better than dragging her along and doing it on the side. Two years down the road having kids, and then that's then saying, you know, I know we have marriage here and kids, but I think I need to be selfish for a while and take care of me. No, you're right. I'm mistaken. He's a beacon.

My bad. Great guy. I'm sick of women being so weak that they can't see a scumbo guy. Dan, you know that is not the biblical example. The biblical example is for a father to teach his daughters discernment. I would say, my girls would not hang out with that. They'd say, get on the road. Get out of here. That's what I'm saying. Your righteous anger should be more pointed at the guy who didn't do his job and raise his daughter. Well, he's out of the picture.

She's an adult now. So, okay. I can point fingers at him and call him names and say, boy, you really failed, but it doesn't help the situation. But now she needs to suck it up and say, hey, I'm an adult. But that's what I'm saying. You're not looking to help the daughter. You're looking to chastise her for the failings of her dad. That's how I'm helping her. The dad's history. What's he going to do now, daughter? Now, it is true that regardless of how you got there, the advice is not, hey, let's agree

on how crappy your past was. You do have to move on from it. He didn't do that talk when she was five. I agree with that. I agree with that. But I guess what I'm saying is- You guys need that talk now. There is one woman in this situation, and there is two guys who are failing. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Right, right. The dudes are out.

One already did fail. There's one failure dad, and there's one current dude in here. I can't call him a failure. He's looking at the relationship saying, this isn't working. They're dating. They're not married. I feel like they shouldn't even be having this conversation. His dad stinks, too. How do you like that? Okay, fine. His mom stinks. We need to have a dad mediates.

We need to have a dad mediates. And to do that, we're going to need a big conference room with fancy chairs. And a dog. Otherwise, I'm not going to kill DL. We're going to make sure they're at Starbucks. What was the secular advice? I didn't look it up. Hold on, Ted. When a man, the secular says, when a man says he wants to focus only on himself. When a man. Wait, wait. Hold on.

What song is that? Love's a woman. That was unrecognizable. That's the right rhythm. Agreed. I'm a preacher, not a singer, all right? When a man. I feel like you have all day by yourself to practice the scene. It's got no better. You've got to give me this stuff ahead of time so I can be prepared. It's like the pre-course of Billy Joel's keeping the faith. When a man.

Doesn't love a woman anymore. We've heard enough of that, by far. When a man says he wants to focus only on himself and he doesn't want you to wait for him, what he's really saying is, it's over. He should get on the road. No doubt. Yeah. Thanks for the language translation, secular. While the prospect of moving on after having invested a year in the relationship may be anxiety-provoking, at this point, you really have no choice. And don't expect to be together again anytime soon because his road to self-discovery could take a long, long time if it happens at all.

Please accept my sympathy for your heartache. I found myself. I'm a jerk. I've discovered that I am a horrible person. I found myself without you. All right. Thanks for listening to Life in the Path. We do appreciate it. Sing us another one, Dan. Hanging out. Bob Eisenhower, thanks for dropping by. Thank you, guys.

It was a lot of fun. It was a lot of fun. I like it. So we will see you next week. I have no plans for next week. I don't know what's going to happen. Two weeks from now, Kevin Lindgren's going to be in. Yeah. Do we have a missionary girl coming? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Kelly Johnson's coming in.

Is that two weeks? Three weeks. I don't know. I've forgotten it. Anyway. She can't come in when Lindgren comes in. No, no. No, Lindgren's on his own. All right. Anyway, thanks for hanging out with us. Download the podcast. Check out the YouTube stuff.

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