Pathway Studios in Johnston proper. Here are the Pathway Studios in Johnston proper. Hello. Howdy. Yeah. Nice. I don't know what. It makes it proper. What? What do you want me to tell you? Here's the thing. If you say live from the Pathway Studios in Johnston, it just doesn't sound as cool. Kind of empty, isn't it? Yeah.

So you've got to say Johnston proper. It doesn't sound like there's something crazy going on there that you're not really aware of. It does. It does. It sounds a lot better when you say it that way. Makes me want to live here. All right. All right. Whatever. Maybe we shouldn't do the show. It was a reasonable idea. I feel like, you know, there's no reason to drag this out for an hour. If it's not going to go well, maybe we should just bail on it. Yeah.

Here's the thing. We're really counting on. So Ben and I have been here for a little while. We brought the ladies in. He has two little girls and I have two little girls. We brought them in because we always tell them we're going to the radio show. And it's kind of one of those things as a dad is that you want them to know why you're not at home. You know, you don't want to just know they know the dad's gone. You want to know, you don't want them to know what you're doing. You're doing something legitimate, maybe? Yeah. Same thing. What a disappointment for them. I started dragging my kids up at six in the morning on Sunday mornings to try to get them to church.

So because we always do set up and tear down and work on the sound and whatever. And so I didn't want to just say, Daddy had to go early. I want to say, I want you to know what I'm doing. You know, just so they can put, they know why I'm gone. You know, I'm not choosing things over them. So anyway, we bring them in here. And Ben tried to set down the rules of what we're going to talk about, what we're not going to talk about. And there was a couple violations, had to call a couple fouls. It tends to get in the bathroom type humor if you don't keep an eye on them, you know. Especially when they get together as a team, they kind of save it up for years. And then all of a sudden it gets out of hand. But it wore me out. It absolutely wore me out. You know.

That's funny. So they sat down with the mics and everything. Yep. Yep. Everybody got their own mic. Well, that's fun. Yeah. There wasn't, I wouldn't say there was a whole lot of redeeming value out of what came out of it. But at least they know what we do here. Somebody is stinky grandma. Yeah. That's what I found. They ended up talking about some stinky grandmas. And, you know, we asked them a couple of Jesus questions and not a whole lot of fruit.

One of them came out with John the Baptizer. And one of them came out with Jesus was born. Which, I mean, these are solid stories. But, you know, what I was really hoping, here's what I was hoping for, right? Like we would ask them profound questions that adults are struggling with. And they'd say something as innocent as a child. And it would change perspectives. You know what I'm saying? Like it would just blow you away. It didn't happen that way. They spoke about like they were children? Yeah. It was a fail. But it was fun to have them in.

But, yeah. Well, I don't know. By the time they were gone, I'm like, I feel like we've done a show. And maybe Ben and I might not quite have the usual gusto. So we're really counting on Dan, Bob, and Troy to really pick this thing up and kick it in the pants. Right on. That's what we're here for. Yeah. Troy saved a day with that one. I'm surprised I was referring to as Troy, by the way. I'm actually kind of dumbfounded right now. All right, you're listening to Live from the Path. Thanks for hanging out with us. If you're on 99.3 KTIA, it's good to have you.

If you're here at livefromthepath.org on Monday night at 10 o'clock, we're also glad to have you. Just a reminder, if you catch the live show here on Monday night, you get some extra bonus content. I mean bonus. It's generally some free advice. Yeah. Worth every penny. Yeah. So here's what we're going to be doing tonight. We're on week 31 from Godisimaginary.com. The proof this week, the proof 31, is understand that religion is superstition. And here's what I love about Bob Eisenhower, right? He's prepared. He's printed the thing off. He's taking a look at it.

That's a man that… Boova, did you print yours off and take a look at it? No, I thought the whole point was we're supposed to do it while we're here. No. No. We're giving sound advice, Boova. We've said it before that we just kind of look at these right when we get here. Yeah, because I never look at them either. That would be why you don't produce sound advice, Hudson. That's actually been said on the show. Bob has gone high class with it. Boova's really digging in on this. I don't need to prepare, actually. No.

I'm a fountain wolf. I even wouldn't have bought a Bible. You are making me look terrible. What is this thing they call a preparation? Yeah, exactly. So, also, I was reading some advice today, and it's husbands, a tip that could save your marriage, and it's get a part-time job. Oh. We're going to talk through that. I need to hear the rest of that. We're going to see how things go. Also, free advice on Dear Life and the Path, and also America's fastest-growing internet game show, Secular vs. Solomon. Ben, I'm just going to ask this.

Let's act like I haven't listened to the show before. How would you explain, first of all, how would you explain Secular vs. Solomon, and second of all, do you have any proof that it is the fastest-growing game show? No, I feel like if I look into it, I'd have to change how we introduce it, because right now, I'm speaking out of ignorance. Can you do that? Let's say I took out an ad in the paper, and I said, best pancakes in Missouri, and I didn't really try anybody else's pancakes. Can I be sued for libel? Yeah, if people can contest. Sure. I mean, that's not a matter of opinion, though. Yeah, how do you… Who decides?

Maybe I like bad pancakes. I think they are the best, because I make them. I'm the world's tallest man. I think you can actually measure that. You can prove that. I think that could be disproved very quickly in this room, I'm just saying. You're at the top of your game, Ben. Right, right. Okay. Anyway, so that's what's on tap for the show tonight. If that doesn't sound interesting, now's the time to bail. Yeah, nothing does. There's no reason to hang out. But here's the deal.

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it. You know what I'm saying? And I think I had one of these this week that I didn't really want to get involved in, but I felt like I stated something and I had to stick with it. And so we're going to walk through that real quick, maybe towards the tail end of the show. Okay. All right. Sounds good. And Bob Eisenhower is back in the studio with us. Bob, it's good to see you. You too. Thanks for having me. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

So Bob will just be chiming in as we go along. And if you have any questions for Bob, feel free to put them on the chat. Can I say hi to somebody? Yeah, go ahead. Scott. Was it Scott that sent the email in? Oh, Pete. Pete. I'm sorry. Pete. I have to say a special shout out to Pete. Glad you're listening, Pete. No doubt. Thanks, Pete.

I'm a new friend of Pete. I love Pete. You don't know Pete. He specifically said he's not a big fan of you, Dan. Sorry. Well, I didn't send you that part of it. I think there's a guy named Scott listening. Scott and Pete. Thanks for listening. Scott and Pete. Scott, like, hey, man, it's my first time. I really do well. These guys are just amazing. Somehow they just knew.

That's good stuff. Well, I'll tell you what. Let's get right into this proof, all right? So, proof 31. We're walking through the 50 proofs from godisimaginary.com that, obviously, that God is imaginary. Right now, God is 30 and 0. Let's check out proof 31. And the proof this week that God is imaginary is titled, Understand that Religion is Superstition. Here's the setup. Let's say that you were to create a far-flung news network and you somehow had the capacity to observe all of the inexplicable tragedy that occurs on Earth each day. All the murders, all the car wrecks, all the rapes, all the mutilations, torture, miscarriages, and steel bursts, disease, starvation, destruction, and terrorism. Let's say you had a news feed that delivered this all to you in real time.

Just 10 minutes with this news feed would be unbearable. Excuse me, unbearable. It's unbearable. You're so dumbfounded. Pretty hard to pronounce, too. I didn't speak. It's a high dollar radio show. Thousands of tragic, heart-wrenching events would impinge themselves upon you every minute. It would make you vomit over and over and over again until you passed out in exile. Well, that took a weird turn, didn't it? I mean, I get it, but I just didn't see it coming. In other words, the amount of gut-wrenching, anguished tragedy in our world is unspeakable. I feel like the tenor of the room isn't casting it on this story correctly. Meanwhile, there is a housewife in Pasadena who firmly believes that God,

answered her prayer this morning to remove the mustard stain from her favorite blouse. She prayed to God to help with the stain, and after she washed it, the stain was gone. Praise Jesus. There are tens of millions of people in the United States who firmly believe that God is personally helping them each day with their trivial prayers like this. They believe that they have a personal relationship with God, that God hears their prayers each day, and that God has time to reach down and remove the mustard molecules one by one. They believe it with all of their hearts. It makes you wonder. If God has the time and the will to answer these trivial prayers, then why does he have no time for the millions of other massively serious problems that arise on earth every day? Simply look at the world we live in. All around us we have murderers, rapists, robbers, child molesters, terrorists, etc.

How do they do their deeds? If God is all-knowing and God answers prayer, then we have to believe that God watches them as they murder, rape, molest, and terrorize other people millions of times a day, but does nothing to stop them. God watches the victims as they are being murdered, raped, molested, and terrorized, but he does nothing to help them. God completely ignores the prayers of the planet to eliminate murder, rape, child molestation, and terrorism and allows those atrocities to continue unabated. Let's see if I can summarize here. Do you believe in a God who acts like this? Of course not. If you believe that God is specifically reaching down from heaven to answer your trivial prayer to remove a zit or wash out a mustard stain or help you find your lost keys, while at the same time God is allowing 27,000 children to die of starvation each day

by specifically ignoring their prayers, then your God is insane. If you are a typical… Okay, here's the picture of the typical Christian. You are just like our Pasadena housewife. You may pray for 20 trivial things. Mike, see if you can check these off. Ready? Pray for your car to start in the morning. I've prayed for my car to start, but not on a regular basis. Pray for traffic light to be… So that you get to work on time. No. Pray that you don't get fired for the mistake you made yesterday. No.

Pray that coffee stain on your purse comes out. One time. It was awkward. Pray that it doesn't rain. No. Pray that the price of a stock has gone up. No. Pray that your computer doesn't crash. No. Pray that your son got a decent grade on a math test. My son. Where is he? My long lost boy. I pray for him to return to me first, and then we'll talk about his math test.

No. Pray that there's enough money in your checking account. I may have done that before. Pray that the guy you went out with on Saturday calls you. Is he in that hand? No. Yep. Pray that your mother-in-law cancels her trip for the weekend. No. Pray there be an available washing machine at the laundromat. Nope. Pray that your car passes inspection. That's never been an issue. Pray that they have your size shoes, and you are thinking about buying at the mall.

Not applicable. Pray that the envelope you are opening contains a check rather than a bill. I can usually tell by the outside market. That's outrageous. That is outrageous. Mid-American Energy, I hope it's 50 bones. I can't believe the utility company has sent me a check. Be my lucky day. Pray that your cat didn't pee on the sofa. I may have done that. Pray that your baby not to wake you up tonight screaming so you can get some sleep. Nope. Pray that you have the winning bid for that camera on eBay. Nope.

Pray that they have video you want at the video store tonight. Nope. Pray that your team wins the game on Sunday. Nope. All right. Summation. Prayer is ranked superstition. Nothing more. People who believe in the power of prayer are no different than people who believe in the power of crystal balls, horoscopes, or lucky rabbit's feet. The reason why there is so much suffering in this world and the reason why a statistical analysis of your trivial prayers always shows them to be complete coincidences is because God is imaginary. The belief in God is pure superstition. Dan Hudson. The man just keeps repeating himself. Yeah, that really was the cost on prayer.

Yeah, yeah. It does not disprove God in any way. It just says he doesn't like prayer. He mentions a bunch of random things that nobody prays anyway and says, see, you're God's imaginary. It would just say, see, you have a pretty poor prayer life is what it really says. But, eh, he's not even worth responding to. I'm getting mad at this guy. He's just ticking me off. This guy is making me mad. Why? I don't know. It just sounded good. I was just trying to carry my weight. You know, actually, it brings up, like his argument brings up other questions for me, though.

Like, he's grabbing these examples from somewhere, right? Like, there are people that pray like this. Now, sometimes I get caught either way, like with the ask and you shall receive and, you know, like run everything through God in prayer. There's a lot of things I don't pray about because I'm like, I got this. I don't really need. I'm not really concerned with the divine help on the traffic situation, you know. And so I don't pray about it. That pattern will sometimes lead between a separation between me and God because I've pretty much taken him out of my day-to-day life, you know. But then on the other hand, I mean, the whole focus of prayer should be, Lord, I want to mold my life into one that looks like the one that you have laid out for me, into your character and who you are. So there is a certain amount of when you're praying for just your benefit. Like, I know people that do this. Well, he starts out in a whole different area saying, well, seek all the murders and the car wrecks and all the bad things happening. Your God can't do that. He can't stop that from happening.

But he doesn't understand that God has given us free will. And these are all things that are happening for the most part because someone else made a poor choice and were a victim of it, you know. And could he stop people? Yeah, but he has chosen to let people have free will and to make mistakes and to sin and rebel against him. And sometimes we get caught in the crossfires. Everyone does. I mean, that's just the society we live in. It's a bunch of people disobeying God, which creates this cesspool of a life. And we're stuck in that. Until he comes back, that's just part of life. It's full of false. There's so many false premises. Yeah. You know, that he starts out with.

Is this my phone? Yeah. And that's a perfect example. You know, when I read that, I think, you know, a nonbeliever or somebody like this gentleman, you know, sees the bad that's happening in the world and says, how and why is your God not preventing this? You know, and… Who knows how many that he did prevent? We can't record that. The Lord protects us constantly, you know, but he doesn't owe that to us. We're not owed that protection, you know. So, you know, rather than giving thanks every day for, you know, not getting raped or not getting murdered or not getting in a car accident, you know, those are, you know, those are days and hours and times where we're protected that we don't give thanks for that we should be. And, yeah, there's times where the Lord, you know, backs off and pulls his protective hand for one reason or another away from situations and things like that happen. So there's so many things, you know, that are false assumptions and false premises, you know, that this guy talks about.

Like assuming that, you know, all Christians have trivial things that we pray about. So, you know, I mean, that's absurd, that list that you read, to think that, you know, that's really what we pray about. But one thing I thought was interesting, Mike was pointing out, each time I've read one of this guy's arguments, 90% of it seems like garbage, you know. But there is, there's always, you know, a little bit of, I guess, a gem or two in there or something that I think sparks some good discussion and good thought. And as I read this, one thing that I thought about was how I've struggled talking to non-believers or people that are, you know, really in the infant stages of their faith. You know, if you're to believe that, you know, the Lord is omnipresent and all-powerful, you know, what does it matter? Or, you know, can our prayer, and he kind of touches on this, can our prayers really affect or change? Right, are you changing the mind of God? Are you asking him to do something that he wasn't going to do already? Is that thing going to happen or not happen, whether we pray or not, you know? And that's something I struggle with, you know, when I think about it, you know. But I'm sure he wonders that, and I'm sure a lot of believers and non-believers wonder that. I think it's, you know, prayer is great because, you know, we have the ability to communicate with a guy that we don't deserve to be able to communicate with. So I see how it's good for us, but, you know, I struggle trying to explain or even comprehend myself.

So I wonder what you guys think on that topic, you know. You know, I'm praying for my grandma to get better who's in hospice right now. Yeah. You know, if I don't pray for her, is it going to change one way or the other? You know, do you understand my question? Does our prayer move the hand of God? Yeah. Is it capable of doing so? Damn. I think it does. I think it does. You see examples in Scripture, you know, even in the Old Testament where God was going to destroy Israel, and Moses kind of jumped in and said, whoa, whoa, whoa, you know, don't do that. And so he didn't, you know.

There are times throughout Scripture all over the place where one thing is happening, someone prays, and it changes. There's a picture in Revelation of the prayers of the saints rising up to heaven in, like, an incense type of picture in Revelation. And something happens. God gets it. He gives the angels the answer, and they heave it back down the earth. There's lightning and thunder and rumbling, and the earth shakes. And this, you know, idea of something has changed. Something has happened. There's a ripple effect of something. So, sure, I think God changes things when we pray, you know, not always in our timing or what we want or how we want, but he does. You know, Jesus said, you know, even us as earthly fathers that are evil will give our children a good gift. Why wouldn't our heavenly Father do that? Of course, he's going to even more, you know, that implies change of some sort. Something has happened.

So, yeah, I'm all over that. And I think there's a comforting nature of prayer, too. When you have the experience of simply being able to spend time talking with God, that you even have that opportunity to say, you know, Lord, I'm just going to talk with you a little bit. I mean, sometimes we look at prayer, and I think, you know, I see this in my kids, and I see this in some of the things I do is, you know, I start off, and there's things that I'm kind of asking for and I'm praying about. And to be honest, to whom else would I go? Like, if I'm going to ask anybody, God would be the guy. But even the opportunity to be in that relationship with God, that is the person that I want to share this thing with. Here's the thing that's on my heart. Here's the thing that's going on in my life. And I have people that I can talk to. I can talk to my wife. I can talk to my friends. I can talk to it on a fake internet radio show, right? But, like, I can spend time, like, at any time I want just talking to God, talking through it.

And sometimes, if you notice, a lot of times when there's prayer going, especially, you know, when you look at the prayers of guys like David, I mean, they are crying out. They could cry out to anybody, but they're crying out to God. It's not just a, hey, you want to help me out on this thing? It's like, this is to whom I wish to open my heart to, and I want to share my life with, and I want to share my story to. And there's even that, there's catharsis even in that relationship, being able to speak to God on that level and know that he wants to hear that. He wants to be close to his people and to hear their cries and to hear their prayers. And, you know, and sometimes maybe our prayers aren't moving the hand of God, but they're moving the heart within us to reach out closer to God. And, you know, we end up bending ourselves to his will and being able to see his will more clearly or sometimes even able to see his perspective on things. Because that's a lot of the deal is like when we have a disagreement with God, and frankly, you're lying if you say you don't to the extent that you don't want to. But you're like, to see the things that that guy's talking about when he's talking about murders and rapes and molestations. I mean, who could look at that and go, oh, yeah, no, that's fine. I mean, you can't have a heart for people that God asks you to have and not look at it and say, boy, I just, there seems like there could have been a way that that stuff doesn't have to happen. Right? I mean, there just is.

But to the extent that we open our lives to God and we're going to him in prayer, like that connection with God and seeking his will, the benefit of understanding his character is we start to see things through his eyes. And you know what? When I look at someone, when there's been something heinous that happens on this world, and I'm like, why? Why would people do that? What has brought them to this? And your heart just goes out to that. That's God's view. God looks at that same thing and goes, I gave you this. Look at all that I gave you. And look what you've chosen to do with it. Right. You know, and his heart breaks for those people. And it's foolish to think that God looks down at that and he's passive about it happening. He hates sin.

Like, our sin hurts us, but it also has negative impacts on the world around us. Some of the hurt that's in your life is because somebody else's sin. Someone else's sin is causing problems in your existence. Even if you protect yourself from the things that you do, your sin will harm your family. Your sin will harm, will negatively impact your children. And if you live in a world that is a sinful world in which you are destroying yourselves and your sin has a negative impact on others, I mean, that's a fallen world that needs God's redemption. And if God didn't recognize it, he wouldn't have bothered with this whole Jesus business. And so, you know, like, seeing it from God's perspective is, and if I weep over these people who I don't know, think of God who's created this thing and said, you know, like, look at the stuff that it could have been. You know, and I will return it that way. And it will not do this. This stuff will not happen anymore. But, like, where you weep, God weeps ten times as much because of his creation has been sullied by our foolishness.

You know, I think about, like, the story that comes to mind when I think, because I actually struggle with the same thing a lot that Bob was talking about, right? And for some reason, like, the story that always comes to mind is when Jesus was on the mount before he was about to be arrested, you know? And he's like, if this cup can pass from me, but not my will, you know, your will be done, right? And, like, for some reason, it's not that exact scene, but I just think God, you know, just up in heaven, just going, I can't do that, son. I can't. You know what I'm saying? And, like, I can't imagine saying that to my kids. I can't. It would break my heart that I'd be like, because God has the God perspective, right? And, like, especially when I have a loved one that something is happening to them, and I'm like, God, if you could just fix this thing, you know? And I think it's almost the exact inverse of what Ben's talking about, right?

Like, when your heart goes out to that situation, your heart goes out to those people, that is God's response. That is God's response to what's happening, because he's going, I can't do that, son. I want to. I can't. Because I have a bigger perspective, and I know what's going to come of this thing. I love that you asked. I love we have this relationship, but I can't. I can't. You know, and then your heart just goes out to him, and I feel like that's the Holy Spirit's response. That's God's response to that situation. I'm going to give you the heart for this thing, but, like, I have a perspective, and I like that you've asked me, and I love you, but I can't do that, you know? And there's nothing harder than looking at someone you love and saying, I can't help you, not in what you're asking. I love you.

I'd do anything for you, but I can't do that, you know? And so, I don't know. Sometimes that's not comforting. Sometimes it's not comforting to know that God has a big perspective, and you're like, I don't care. Could you just do this thing this time? You know, this hurts. This hurts, and it sucks, and it's hard to watch, you know? But, like, you know, I think you walk through it, and you come out on the other end realizing that you've at least given your faith to the right thing, you know? And sometimes it's hard, but, like, I think about it when I have to talk to my own kids, and there's concepts. They're five and two. There's concepts they don't understand, and sometimes I just have to say, I can't, or you can't. You can't do that, you know, and they'll say why, and I'm like, just the conversation's not going to happen right now. You're five. You know, you just can't.

They have no way of understanding, but you know. They're not going to grasp it, you know, and it's going to push them into somewhere that I don't want them at right now anyway. Right. You just can't, you know? And that's a hard conversation for a dad to have, and I can't imagine God has the heart that he has for us that he'd be willing to send his son as a sacrifice, and how many times that, you know, people pray for things, and his heart just, I mean, it just breaks a little. Like, I can't, son. I just can't do that for you. You know, and so, I mean, if you put God in a correct perspective in that place, that's a pretty mature place to stand, and that's hard as a human to do. I'm sure it's hard, because God knows he could do it anyway, you know? He could do it. Right. But he has an absolute justice and an absolute morality and an absolute compass that I couldn't waver. His love for me can't even waver him.

You know, his love for me doesn't change his character, and that's pretty awesome to know that he's that solid of a foundation to rely on. So, there's a reason and a bigger picture and a bigger purpose for, you know, like this guy says, there's things we're praying for that are terrible happening in this world. Why isn't the Lord doing it? Like you said, he's got a reason. We don't know what it is. We just have to trust that there's a bigger picture out there. And like I said before, I think it also, that gives us an opportunity, you know, to thank, you know, to thank us, to thank God every time something bad doesn't happen. Right. You know what I mean? Because you go through 99% of your life, and everything's fine. Yeah, when your car's running, your mechanic's a great guy. As soon as your car breaks down, he's the joke of the mechanic world, you know? Like, why is this thing broken down again, you know? You didn't call him for the last year when it was going okay, but then the one time it breaks down,

he's the worst mechanic you've ever seen, you know? Yeah. Now, you know, and on the flip side of what he addresses here, he kind of makes fun of some of the trivial things that people pray for. And you think about that. He doesn't really understand the relationship part of God. I have a good relationship with my wife, but every conversation I have with her isn't deep. You know, I don't go into the deepest needs of my life. Sometimes I say, hey, how about eggs? Yeah. You know, I mean, instead of, hi, baby, my soul aches. Exactly. Exactly. And that's, you know, so some of that stuff, I don't know if I prayed those specific things,

but I prayed for trivia things. I have conversational prayers with God, you know? I might say, hey, God, thanks, man, I made that, you know, that green light. That's really awesome, you know? And it's just a simple little thing, you know? It's just like, because we're in a relationship together. But I don't know that I've ever prayed, you know, that I, you know, Dear God, keep the light green, you know? How's the lottery going to look in this week, God? Give me the numbers. Not for me, huh? Fair enough. All right. See you.

Thanks. He knows me well enough. You can't trust me with the lottery. Deliver me from this mustard stain. All right. It's like, I gave you the Walmart, buy a cheaper shirt. Buy a new one. So, well, so this is pretty much an attack on prayer. He's covered prayer in proof number six and a couple other ones. So, we're going to give a mulligan on that. He's buying mulligans now. Okay. Here we go. Next week, we're moving on to Proof 32.

And it's Talk to a Theologian. Proof number 32, Talk to a Theologian. This is true. God is imaginary because you talk to another dude. Actually, so I've done a little internet-based research on some apologetics theologians here lately. And frankly, half of them irritate me. I feel like they're not trustworthy. But some of them are okay. Some of them are good at what they do. And some of them are just lame dudes in a suit that read a lot of books. And I miss the whole heart of Jesus when I talk to them. So, I'm interested to see how next week goes. Oh, man.

This is it. Okay. So, he's set up himself. He's done some of these Q&A, right? Where these are two fake dudes talking. Oh, yeah. These are the best. Okay, yeah. So, that's what's happening next week. That's proof number 32. We're walking through the 50 proofs at goddessimaginary.com. If you want to read ahead, just go to goddessimaginary.com. Take a look around. Read through those proofs.

See what you think. And be ready to have an answer. I mean, there are… So, I think one of the things that Bob said is particularly prescient here is that there are gems in here. Like, there are questions that I think, you know, Bible-believing folks can have… Legitimate questions. …about God's nature, about God's character, about how people act, and about sin, and that kind of thing, from a lot of the things that he brings up. Now, the thing he does, and this is where he throws you off your game, is he asks it in a way in which it attempts to either make you or God look ridiculous. And so, now you're immediately on the defensive, and you're not thinking through things clearly, right? Like, if you were proposed with some of these situations, if he would have asked it differently,

if he asks the question that you're prepared to answer, you don't have a problem. But usually the issue are that people will ask questions, and they're asking something that you know how to answer. They just ask it in a way that makes it sound as like you have no idea. And so, it's a good practice. Kind of go and take a read through and say, look, if I… Could I handle answering this question in a God-glorifying way that has an opportunity to bring someone to Jesus and to see God in this answer, and not me just being like snipey about it? Because, I mean, it's pretty easy to get snipey about it. It was like, he's God, and he's great, what do you care? You know, and like… It's putting your dang old business. He's God, they're not.

I mean, there's a pretty flat answer for some of this stuff. You need to read Jeremiah. Can I ask you a question, Ben? Yeah. What's the guy's name that is the author of God is Imaginary? You know, it doesn't say. It's thought that it's Marshall Brain, who is the guy that runs HowStuffWorks.com. Really? It's thought to be that guy. And that's a good website, man. HowStuffWorks is fairly well written. There's a lot of… Yeah, see, that's the thing. It's like, I feel like he did this while he's been drinking.

Like, some of the grammar is just terrible. He's on like a dangling participle bender, and there's some odd makeup of some of this stuff, and HowStuffWorks is actually a pretty cool website. I mean, there's a lot of interesting information out there, but that is the suspected guy. I was just wondering how or why you guys got started on God is Imaginary. Well, here's the thing. We tried to fill the content with our own ideas, Bob. And that was a fail. That was a big fail. So we found other people that didn't agree with us, and we thought, we'll talk about them. This is a good discussion topic. You know, every bullet point he has, I was just curious how you guys got started on that way back when. It's actually been pretty fruitful, until about week 15 where he lost Dan, and Dan's just been

angry with him ever since then. Yeah, I really am having a hard time. He checked out. Although, we're hoping he comes up at 25 more pretty soon, because we'll run out of content. Yeah, because as soon as we get to 50, we're back on our own again, and that's a mistake. I feel like people are going to bail. So, we'll talk about next week. It's theologian time. Who's coming in next week, Ben? Oh, man. Double J and Cass Lester are going to be in. Yeah, Double J and Cass Lester. Here's the thing. I could beat both those fellas in poker, hands down.

Ooh. Yeah. I'll tell you why. They blink when they got a good hand. I mean, like a cat with a gnat at his eye. They can't behave themselves. How do you know that? Huh? How do you know that? I don't tell you everything about my social life, Ben. Bob, are you a good card player? I don't know if I'm good. I've played a few times. I can play.

Let me, okay. We were talking about this a little bit before the show started. So, like, we had a recent party that we were invited to, and a guy, so it was a guy that was a friend from growing up, and he was back in town. He was putting together a shindig, and it was all kind of set to go, and then I found out there was, like, a $10 donation request for some of the hors d'oeuvres, and another 10 bones if you're going to be drinking. And I thought, and something about it kind of just, kind of like, I thought, I don't know about that. Is that a practice that people do? Do you set up a party, and you charge 10 bucks at the door? That doesn't really seem kosher to me. Bob, you go highfalutin parties. What happens there?

I've never had, you know, unless they're raising money, maybe, for some kind of charity. Did he say that? No, no, no, he said we're having good food, and good booth. Is there any chance he's listening tonight? I don't know, I don't think so. I hope so, it changes ways. I mean, like, I thought maybe I just wasn't familiar with it, but it just seemed a little weird to me. Did you talk to any of your other buddies that were going that questioned him? Here's the thing, no one else did, they were willing to pay the 10 bucks. They just wanted to see this guy that bad? I feel like we were the outcasts. I think your wife hit it right, it's just the principle of the matter. It's not that 10 bucks or 20 bucks is going to break anybody, but who does that?

You have buddies over and, you know, and you're going to charge them at the door for food and a drink. What if they don't pay? What if they forgot their wallet? You got to make them sit in a car? Troy, you ever been to a cover party? No. I've been to places where we buy pizza together and then everyone puts a couple bones in together, but that's it. But, like, there's no, hey, 10 bucks at the door if you're going to eat and then 10 bucks more if you want to drink. You know, what do you do with the excess? I mean, let's say more people showed up. Let's say you raised $500 in food and you only spent like $200, $150 in food.

Wait, do you put the money in your pocket? I feel wrong about that. That's called good business. You just fleeced your friends for like 300 bones. I feel that's terrible. Maybe it's done in other spots. I don't know. Like, I ended up having, we went to like a Joppa thing where like we ended up not being able, wouldn't have gone to the party anyway because we were, dude, there's like a homeless benefit we were at. But like, I don't know. There was just something about it that I thought, well, that just feels weird. Now, hold on. Would you feel differently if he just tallied up what it costs and then sent everybody

an honest bill? Like an invoice? Yeah. For me at this party? Instead of taking 10 right up front, he'll look at the next day. He's like, okay, the whole thing cost me $250. And there was 50 people here. So, you know, whatever. Here's five bucks a guy. It makes me think that like, then I have to start weighing as to whether it's actually a value proposition. Like if someone said, hey man, come out to my party. I'd be like, hey, that sounds cool. But then if it's like, hey, it's going to be five bucks.

Well, man, what can I do with five bucks? I can eat the Long John's for five bucks. Is this party better than the Long John's? I don't know. How good are these guys? There ain't no party better than the Long John's. Is there a menu that you can get beforehand? I think I've got to put price tags on everything. What are these fancy hors d'oeuvres that you're serving? A buck for a slice of pizza? Yeah. Or if there's like fun-sized butterfingers, I got screwed. Are you charging 10 bucks for little smokies? Or are you going to have like actual like hors d'oeuvres?

Yeah, big smokies. You're gorging on the little rye breads with the cucumbers on it. Right. Little sandwiches. How much are these worth? Eight cents? Well, I've got to get a move on. Filming up 30 more. All right. Then you start making up your money like you're at a buffet, though. That's not good. Well, I purposely waste food. I'd take more plates than I was going to eat, and then I'd chuck it. Mike shoos it into his purse that one time he prayed about.

I paid $20 to get in there. You know what I'm saying? I'd be throwing food by the time the night was done. He's got a bottle in his hand. I'd also be flushing the toilet more often than is necessary. Blowing my nose on stuff. Hey, something happened to that white carpet. Hey, this is just peasant. Go ahead, rich man. Take your 500 bucks, clean it up. That's terrible. You know, I assume there wasn't any ill intention about it, but it just felt weird. Can you say where he came back from? West Coast.

So maybe that goes on. Because I don't think it's standard practice around here that I know. Maybe out there it is. I'm not going to say that. I could be a rube, you know? It's very possible that we don't know etiquette for cool parties. I mean, that's totally not the case. Here's the thing, though. I didn't want to call. Maybe it's just pride, right? But I didn't want to call him and say, listen, I really can't fork out 20 bucks to go to your party, man. Thanks for inviting me. Yeah, I appreciate it.

I feel like there's no one else on Facebook saying, hey, doesn't that seem a little steep? So I don't want to be the one hillbilly calling up and going, I feel like 20 bucks might be a bit much. Me and my wife are going to go to Long John's and read Jeremiah. I think we're going to start doing that at church. We'll invite people to church and say, oh, by the way. It was like a day before the party, too. It was like the Thursday. The party's on Friday, Thursday's like, hey, by the way, we spent a lot of money on good eats. We're going to have to get 10 bucks to the door. Maybe that's how you put together a sweet shindig, though. I mean, maybe my bar for a party is pretty low, and that's how you put out something really spicy.

It's quite possible we've never been to a good party. I think it's a very, very possible situation. What do you know about me, Troy? Okay, so here's what I think should happen. Troy, you're going to put on a party. All right. And see what you can pull off for free, or not charging me, basically. See what kind of party I can pull off without having to spend enough money to think, hey, maybe I need to spend some. Yeah, okay. And then Bob's going to put on a party, and we're going to give Bob 10 bucks a guy. Okay, so I mean, if we're being honest here, I mean, working off of my salary, I think he's going to have a better party if he's getting 10 bucks a dude. That's not the attitude.

Yeah. Your party's going to stink with that attitude. I don't even want to go if this is where you're going to be. It's a bad start. That dollar section in the front of Target, everyone's going to get a kazoo at the door, whatever color they want. We're going to have, obviously. A little bucket of Oreos. A little bucket of a cheap Hy-Vee Oreos for like $2.79 a pop, and then water. You get water. Not even soda? Not even soda. I'm going to egg your house. I'm going to save my 10 bucks off of a bad leisure place.

It's maybe like Stars and Stripes that's like a dollar for a three liter. I'm cool with it. That's what I'm saying. I bet you could put something together. We're not going to invite you to Bob's party, though, if you keep this up. You're lame. It's going to be Funyuns. That's what you get. You get Funyuns and Stars and Stripes, and then a kazoo at the door. It's going to be a blast. Bob said he was going to cater in Long John's. That's because he's getting 10 bucks per head. That's crazy. That's ridiculous.

You can get 10 kazoos at my party for that $10, or you can get Long John's from his. Maybe it was just a joke. Maybe the guy, since you guys didn't go, maybe they all got to the party, and he said, hey, guys, I was just joking about the $10 and $20. I was just wanting to see who wouldn't show up because I was trying to weed some people out. You guys got called out. That's a cruel social experiment. I'll bet you what it was, was some people found out the foos were coming, and they're like, man. And you uninvite them? That's a good thought. You said here's a polite way to do it. We'll charge 10 bucks. You got to go and pan those guys out of here.

That way it's their choice. It's terrible. The foos filter is $10. I know how to sift them boys like wheat. 10 bucks. Have you seen those cars? There's no way. They wouldn't spend 10 bucks on anything. Do you think maybe we should do 50? No, $10. There's no reason to be abusive. Five may risk it, but 10's good. Okay, that's a good thought, actually. They're like, we should change our ways, Ben.

We're living low. I should have paid the 10 bucks and strutted around. I'm like, y'all. If you were the only person at that party, you'd be like, I got 10 bucks. Where's the toilet, anyway? Yeah, that's my 98 caravan. Stay away from it. They give out wristbands and stuff, so I know who paid. I mean, how does that work? I think you can tell by the way they're dressed. I was about to. I would assume the fancy pants paid 10 bucks to get in. The sweatshirt, you didn't pay. All right, all right.

Well, I'll tell you what. Yeah, there's no time like the present. Let's check out America's fastest growing internet game show, Secular vs. Sullivan. And now, for America's fastest growing game show. I just said that. Secular or Sullivan? I feel like you're being mocked. Buy your own video. Oh, yeah. All right, so here's the premise of the game, all right? I'm going to give you a proverb, all right? And you're going to tell me whether it is a worldly proverb, a secular proverb, or whether it's a biblical proverb. It's coming from Solomon. Okay?

Okay? Now, if it's a secular proverb, you also got to tell me the country of origination. You all got it? I'm ready. Okay. Bob wasn't listening. I was engrossed in the graphics or the Mike Tyson punch-out. I can understand. If you're listening to the audio on KTIA or on the podcast, you're just not getting the full effect, man. There's a secular who's boxing a Solomon. It's solid. It's pasted over Soda Popinski and a little Mike from the Mike Tyson punch-out. All right, here we go. You guys ready?

Yeah. All right, here we go. All the toil of man is for his mouth, yet his appetite is not satisfied. All the toil of man is for his mouth, yet his appetite is not satisfied. Secular or Solomon? Dan Hudson. I'm going to call that a secular. And, boy, who gets hungry a lot? It's got to be, who does the samurai wrestlers? Does that be Japan? Sumo? Sumo, yeah. When I say samurai wrestlers. I mixed two different things there, didn't I?

They're a lot crazy. We're going to say Japan. That's a good broad generalization there, Dan. Who overeats? Samurai wrestlers, dude. Bob? Secular. It's an old Russian proverb. The Russians. A big Russian says, appetite is not satisfied. Appetite is not satisfied. I'm going to go secular Barbados. Barboden. Mike.

That's not… I'm going to go secular. I feel like that has to be a North American proverb. I'm just going to go with Greenland. Greenland. Greenland. You said Barbados. All the toil of man is for his mouth, yet his appetite is not satisfied. Put down the chicken legs, boys. Pick up a Bible. Solomon. Ecclesiastes 6. Oops. That was awkward.

That was a total fail. Across the board. That was a four-way fail. God is indeed imaginary. That's terrible. Oh, wow. Not one man knows the word of the Lord. Not one. I've been studying Proverbs, not Ecclesiastes. It is better for a man to hear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools. It is better for a man to hear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools, secular, or Solomon. Bob. Now you're in my head.

That's got to be… You can't be 0 for 2, Bob. That's got to be Solomon. Solomon. Boova. Yeah, it's got wise and fools. I'm going to go Solomon. Fools gives it away except… Okay, I'm with you. Mike. No, I'm going to go secular. Trinidad. Trinidad. Dan Hudson.

I think I will go Solomon. It is better for a man to hear the rebuke of the wise than to hear the song of fools, Solomon, Ecclesiastes 7.5. I want you, buddy. Dang it. It's not looking good, man. The words of the wise heard in quiet are better than the shouting of a ruler among fools. Secular. Or Solomon. Boova. I heard both the words again. You know what? I'm going to go secular. I'm going to go Czechoslovakian.

Secular, the former Czech Republic. Mike. Solomon. Solomon. Dan Hudson. That sounds totally like an Ethiopian proverb to me, so I'm going secular. It's smacks of Ethiopia. I would know by their literature. Bob Eisenhower. The words of the wise heard in quiet are better than the shouting of a ruler among fools. It's an old Asian proverb. It's from the Asians. Yes. Hold on.

You got a Bob for saying a continent, not a country. Oh, yeah. Okay. Get him. Sick of boy. Bob's a guest. Yeah. It's Japanese. He's getting a lot of fame today. Good recovery, Bob. Absolutely. You're right. Don't rebuke him again. The words of Bob are not heard in quiet.

And neither is the word of the Lord except for to Mike, Ecclesiastes 9. Dance with it. Hello, King James. I'm Mike. Hi, Mike. We've known each other forever. Ten bucks to get in. Here we go. So, even in your thoughts, do not curse the king, nor in your bedroom curse the rich, for a bird of the air will carry your voice, or some winged creature tell the matter. Even in your thoughts, do not curse the king, nor in your bedroom curse the rich, for a bird of the air will carry your voice, or some winged creature tell the matter. Secular or Solomon. Mike.

Bova says, never ending story. I will say Solomon. Valcour. Mike's in for Solomon. Dan Hudson. I'm saying that is secular Epcot Center. Secular, that is… Sounds Disney. I will accept. Winged creatures. Winged creatures. Birds flying around, giving messages. Fair enough. Bob Eisenhower.

Solomon. Solomon. John Bova. Secular. Egyptian. The Egyptians say, even in your thoughts, do not curse the king, nor in your bedroom curse the rich, for a bird of the air will carry your voice, or some winged creature tell the matter. Dan does not know the difference between Solomon or Disney. Ecclesiastes 10. That was a great opportunity to do Epcot Center. I had to use it. Even to my own discredit as a man of God. But Lord, there was a joke available.

What's more important? There was a cheap laugh we could have got out of it. I said to myself, Dan, I said, that Epcot Center. This is your chance. It's brilliant. You get to be funny. You've waited months for this. Everyone will know you're a man of the world. Where's my white color? There we go. Keep your heart with all vigilance, for from it flow the springs of life. Keep your heart with all vigilance, for from it flow the springs of life. Secular. Or Solomon.

Dan Hudson. Transylvania. Secular. Hey, Bob, can Dan borrow your Bible for a little while? Bob Eisenhower. Secular. Secular sounds Canadian to me. Y'all. Okay. That's going to get a letter. Go ahead, Booba. All right. I'm going to go secular just to bandwagon. I'm going to go Carpathian and go the Transylvania.

Fair enough, Mike. Solomon. Solomon. Keep your heart with all vigilance, for from it flow the springs of life. It's not Hallmark. It's Solomon. Proverbs 4. I'm sorry. Maybe I'll open it for you and maybe show you where you can find Solomon. It's a real bloodbath today, fellas. It really is. Here we go. Better to kiss an ugly woman than to lick yourself. Better to kiss an ugly woman than to lick yourself.

Bob Eisenhower. Secular or Solomon? Be careful, Eisenhower. It's so obvious, but maybe not. It's got to be, it's got to be secular. Okay. Good luck with the broad nationality. It's going to be offensive no matter what you say. Go. Can I narrow it down to like Arkansas? Arkansas is accepted. Okay. Booba. I was going to go Arkansas, but secular, France.

Also offensive, Mike. I'm going to, dang, I was going to say France. Secular, Ireland. Better to kiss an ugly woman than to lick yourself. Dan Hudson, secular or Solomon? This is obviously from East Germany. Have you seen the women? No. We're not going to expand into broader markets. I feel like it's not going to happen. I think we just ruined all of our chants in Arkansas and France. I don't remember. 10 o'clock at night on the fake internet radio. That's our place.

That's where the Lord has made a wise choice. Better to kiss an ugly woman than to lick yourself. Secular Burundi. Burundi is the right answer. Where is that? It's by Ethiopia. I adopted a water child from Burundi. I'm sorry, what? A water child? I send them money so they can get water, it says. Family needs water. Wow. It's just south of Rwanda. Her name is Nyakawazira.

Took me a long time to work that out. That's great. I didn't try to teach our kids how to pray on it. They changed it to Neo behind my back. Shorten up a prayer. I said, that's it. I signed up for one of those once, and I gave once. And absolutely, my finances tanked. And I felt so totally guilty. Nick kept going, are you going to feed your child? I'm like, I'm not feeding my own children. You know they're sitting there with a plate full of nothing going, white man Dan said he feed me. I know. Oh, that's horrible.

And finally, after a few months, they were just like, dude, we're dropping you. Did you send the kid pictures of your big house and your dog and your motorcycle? I said, sorry. Thanks are rough over here, man. That's good stuff. It was terrible. I honestly didn't have it. If you go to one of those sites, you can just do a one-time thing. You don't have to do the sponsored if it's too hard for you. I did it at an event. That's where they get you. I gave some blankets to some kids in Guatemala and then some sports stuff for a village in Afghanistan. I'm bad. Go ahead.

Redeem yourself. That's it? Okay. I gave a cow to a village in an African country. I'm not sure where. I paid for a water filtration system in a village in Afghanistan. Okay. What else? That's pretty much what I got so far. Seems like you're living the high life, Troy. I like your style. Oh, do that. That water filtration system was a bit spendy. It really was.

Do not sigh for your enemy will hear and rejoice. Do not sigh for your enemy will hear and rejoice. Secular or Solomon. John Buva. I'm going to go secular and I'm going to go Carthage. Mike. That's not a legitimate country, is it? We got to put the move on. What was at one point in time? Secular, Germany. Dan Hudson. Secular, talk about sigh. Hi, and he does the Japanese steakhouse thing. Japan.

Bob Osloar. Secular, Bill Belichick. Do not sigh for your enemy will hear and rejoice. Secular, Yemeni. Yemen. It's from Yemen. Solid. God gives every bird its food, but does not always drop it into the nest. God gives every bird its food, but does not always drop it into the nest. Secular or Solomon. Mike. Secular. Botswana. Dan Hudson.

The jungle book. Where's that based on? Yeah, I don't know about that. That's tough to say. Somewhere in Africa. I'll call it, what's another African country? Nigeria. Okay, Nigeria. Secular. Fair enough. Bob Osloar. Secular, the Sudan. The Sudan. That is exactly what I was going to say.

Secular Monte Carlo. Why are you so mad when you say it? Monte Carlo. They always make you so mad. God gives every bird its food, but does not always drop it into the nest. Secular Danish. A donkey cannot trot for long. Secular or Solomon. That's just a straight truth. Okay, I'm going to give that one away. That's Italian. That's why I like a donkey. Never rent an Italian donkey. That's what I was going for.

A donkey that carries me is worth more than a horse that kicks me. A donkey that carries me is worth more than a horse that kicks me. Secular or Solomon. Secular. Columbia. Dan Hudson. Secular Green Acres. Bob Osloar. Secular Mexico. Secular Texas Rodeo. The answer is secular Mongolian. Ooh, Mongolian. I didn't even know they had donkeys in the Mongol. Yeah, they do.

I feel like Dan and Troy are not answering countries, man. No, no, they're making stuff up. I can't control the room. It's just how life is. Hey, thanks for listening live from the path. If you're hanging out on 99.3 KTIA, we got to let you go. I'm going to turn you back over to our commercial sponsors and to your regular programming. If you're hanging out here on the chat, we got some more to come. So hang out with us. You're listening to live from the path. No, seriously, we're back. Let's see. That was it. That was that secular versus Solomon.

Okay, sweet. Did I win? That's a cool game. We did horribly. You got whooped. I mean, you got spanked on the Solomon. I'm going to be honest. He started out with 0 and 2 and then came back and just destroyed us. See, I mixed it up. I did five Solomons in a row. Yeah. And Ecclesiastes just throws me off because I'm waiting for a proverb. Come on, read the ESV. Maybe we should read Ecclesiastes.

It's sad. You should take in the full counsel of the Lord, Dan. It makes me feel like everything I'm doing is a waste of time. Dan, would you say that you read through the entire Bible in a year? In an average year? Probably not, no. There was a… Hold on. To be a real Christian, Dan, you got to read through that Bible in a year. Everything says so. Every year? Every pamphlet I've ever read says you got to get on this thing. They're selling something. What do you mean?

They're selling Bibles. Exactly. It's an offshoot of the Gideons. One of the Gideons thought, this is foolish. We can make big money. The Gideons give away for free. Yeah, he was an offshoot of the Gideons. He used to be a Gideon. His name was New International. And so anyway, he split off and he sold his own version. He makes big money. Yeah, that's right. His name was Giddy Up. Hey-o.

Hey-o. Wait, wait. You know that New International, that was funny. I didn't even hear most of those questions. I soon learned just whatever Dan picked, just go the other way. It'd be all right. That seemed pretty safe. Mike, okay, here we go. Here we go. Husbands, a tip that could save your marriage. And it is get a part-time job. Who's the source on this thing, Ben? Eric Raymond. Some woman.

Okay, got it. Okay, so here we go. There, that's it. Husbands, if you want to save or strengthen your marriage, get a part-time job. I should say right off the bat that I'm not talking about a literal job that will pull you away from the home for more hours. Instead, I'm arguing for the husband to approach his time at home with his family with the same thoughtful intentionality and engagement that he would if he were to go to work. And here's one thought that really stuck with me. He said, years ago after starting a new job, I came home mentally and emotionally drained several days in a row. Lying on the floor resting became my default posture. One day, my wife walked over and said, hey, we don't want your leftovers. Don't give everyone else your best only to serve us leftovers. He said, that hit me like a ton of bricks. My wife and family were grateful that I was providing, but they were not content with a mere provider. They wanted a dad and a husband.

In other words, there is more to the job of being a husband than just making money. He needs to be thoughtfully, intentionally, and continually engaged in the home. Have you ever found yourself in these circumstances? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know that it's part-time job things the way to go. You just need a bigger tank. What he's saying is treat it like a job. Yeah. Like give it the same energy. Trying to appeal to our, you know, nature. He's not saying, like, literally get a different job. No, no. I hear what you're saying.

Okay. I'm just saying he's looking at it like a wiener. Oh. Okay. Expound. So, yeah, go ahead, Bob. Was he coming from the perspective of somebody that has a full-time job or doesn't have a job? No, he's got a full-time job. I think what he's saying is that he goes to work. He puts effort into it to try to, you know, do good work. Puts energy and time. Please the boss. Do what you're supposed to. And then you come home and, like, you're worn out.

And then your wife and kids or the other people in your life or the things in your life are getting leftovers. So, is he literally suggesting quit your full-time job, get a part-time job so you can be a better father? No, I think what he's saying is what he's recommending. He says that the illustration of having a second job in the evening works so well. As husbands, we must come home with at least, if not more, engagement than we would at work. Husbands come home to lovingly lead their families. They need to be serving their wives by listening, learning, nourishing, and shepherding. We can't do that when we are recovering from work or checking out for so much need-to-be time. We've got to be in the game and doing our job. Okay. Okay. That's what he's saying. All right. Well, I guess I take his point of view.

I probably would agree with it. But I think you'll probably see a lot of dudes, where they categorically fail on this is they go to work all day and they come home. And then, you know, when they're supposed to be taking over their job of father, husband, pastor, you know, provider for that family, they're like, look, you have no idea what kind of day I had. I just need to be by myself or toned down for a little while. And then you aren't doing your job. You know what I'm saying? Then you aren't doing what you signed up for. And those priorities, you have your priorities way messed up. But it's always Jesus and then wife, then kids, then job. And if you have those priorities messed up, your life and your relationships, they're going to bear that out. And it's not a good time. Yeah. And I think a lot of times the men will go out and they'll work and they bring home the paycheck. And they feel like they've earned the ability to kind of hang out and be served a little bit.

And the thing is, it's like your wife and kids don't owe you anything. No. That's your job. That's your responsibility is to provide for the family. I mean, I hope that your wife appreciates you. I really do. I hope that your kids do and they appreciate the work that you put into it. But, like, first of all, you have a responsibility to provide for that family. And so it's not like, hey, well done going out and providing. Like, good. I'm glad you did what you're supposed to. And secondly, you have an additional responsibility to go home. And I agree with that guy. To love those kids.

To spend time with your wife, your girlfriend, whatever. Give them the time and energy. One of the things that I always notice, and I fall back into this all the time, is, like, I am more polite at times to a complete stranger than I am to my own wife. That's sad, isn't it? Yeah. You'll meet someone on the street and you're like, oh, how do you do it? I'll put up with goofy banter and conversation. I'm just overly. Yeah, mindless, durable, honest mistakes. Yeah, yeah. I'm like, oh, that's no big deal. Or, you know, I'm willing to do things that maybe I wouldn't do. And then I go home and, like, sometimes I'm passive to my wife. She's telling me about her day and I'm, like, looking.

I'm not paying attention to what she's saying. I'm looking off to the side. My kids are talking to me and I'm not wholly engaged in that. And I thought, how flippin' rude does that have to be? Where, like, I will treat a complete stranger way better than I will treat the people that I love and care for in my own life. And that's terrible. That's just bad. And it's kind of that same thing. It's like, you know, my time and my energy and stuff are going to my job, which it should. Those people are paying me. I owe them work. I owe them output. And that's great. But, like, if I show up home and I give my wife and my kids half of what I'm giving to somebody else, that's poor.

That's a poor excuse for a man leading his family. And I think I see what he's saying. He's putting it in perspective from a guy who's, like, work-focused. I'm not even, like, way work-focused. I just, that does take up a big chunk of my day. But, like, you know, I need to be more intentional about walking to the door and I'm, like, you know, I'm alive. I'm not just, oh, you know. And maybe it was a rough day. I'll talk to my wife about it later. But, like, I had to come in and have some excitement from, have excitement for your wife, have excitement for your girlfriend, have excitement for your family, have excitement for your kids. You know, put your energy in time. If you wasted it all at work, that's a mistake. And if you've got to get more energy, I don't care, find a way to do it. Eat more properly.

Drink. Get some exercise. Do whatever it takes to get yourself so you can sustain yourself for a full day. Yeah, and put it in perspective. You know what I'm saying? Like, when you think that, I just, I feel like I don't have time to hang out with my kids or my wife is always bugging me because you're trying to get to your fantasy football game. Or, you know, there's some good stuff on, or you haven't reorganized your iTunes library, or there's a bunch of crap that you were supposed to have done. Here's what I found. Like, honestly, especially if you're a younger gentleman in, like, your 20s, 30s, whatever, you're going to have to stay up later. And you're going to have to get up earlier. Here's the thing. If you want to do all these things, you provide for your family first, and then you're just going to have to learn to get up earlier. That's what I, I mean, honestly, I've had to say, look, if I want to get, if I want to reorganize my iTunes library, like, this is not important stuff. My kids need spiritually led, they need Bible stories read, they need hugged, they need kissed, they need loved on, they need engaged father.

My wife needs compliments and conversation and growth together as a married couple. All those things have to happen. All those things I signed up for. I did not have to do any of these things. All those things are things that I signed up for. Right, you could have said no at the altar and stayed home and organized your iTunes library all you want. Exactly. And so what you can't have is a wife of 10 years and two kids and then say, I've decided my priorities have changed. This iTunes library is disgusting, and it needs to be fixed right now. You know what I'm saying? Like, they're invested in you. You want to talk about what the failure of most of our society is. It's dudes that have taken on a responsibility and dumped it. As soon as you, what were the statistics?

Like, it is 85% likely that if a man were to marry a woman and divorce her, she will be in poverty within the year after. As soon as that divorce happens, that woman will be in poverty. Because what you've just done is taken the breadwinner of the house generally and dropped them, right? How much trust does that take a woman to say, I'm trusting my life with you, and how easily do most guys throw it away? And you wonder why women are waiting longer and longer to marry. They're having a hard time finding guys that are worth the hassle. You know what I'm saying? They'll adopt a kid, or they'll get artificially inseminated. They'll go to college. They'll have themselves a baby out of the sperm bank and then call it a day because most dudes aren't willing to pick up the job. They don't want to do it. And you know what? I almost don't blame them. Like, they're still hitting the wrong worldview, and they're missing the trust in God.

But, like, as blanket logical facts go, there's good luck finding a dude that's willing to carry that load. Because here's the deal. If you're doing it right, it's heavy. It's freaking heavy. Kids are heavy. Your wife is heavy. Careful. Be very, very careful here, Mike. There is a lot of responsibility wrapped up into that, and it's not bad responsibility. Because if you do it, and you do it correctly with your heart in the right place, and you honestly give them the time, it's the most rewarding thing you can be involved in. That's why the Bible set it up as God set it up as he did. He's not a fool. He knows the way that the family setup is.

He doesn't take anything away from a guy working hard or a guy having ambition and goals. But realize in the list of priorities, you're not even on there. It's Christ first, then wife, then kids, then job. You're down at the bottom. You're after four or five. You of what you have going is not on the list. If you wanted to be an excellent mechanic and restore 75 Thunderbirds all day long, you can certainly do that. But it's like five or six on the list, man. Sorry. You took the other responsibilities. You have to stay with them. I agree. And I think most people don't – I think most men don't recognize – they think they know what they're signing up for, but they're not. And I feel like maybe we're not clear on that as a society.

We've really set a low bar as far as what ultimately your responsibility is. And I think they abandon them once they figure out what they actually are. And I think that's where the bailing comes from, right? It's like, oh, if life isn't going to change for me, I can continue to do all these things. But they got the efficiency of having my lady in the same place and maybe save me a car ride here and there, a couple of kids, someone to help me pick up the yard, something to make you smile every once in a while. It's just poor. It's a poor outlook. You do not have to get married. Paul even makes the case, right? You don't have to get married. In fact, Paul recommends that you don't. There's a lot of stuff to be done. You want to be doing that stuff, you shouldn't pick up a wife. You're going to have a hard time getting accomplished because that's where your effort is going to have to go.

Well, and here's the deal, too, with that. Is that, I don't know, how long does a guy live? 60, 70 years old, 80 years old, whatever. It's only about 15 of those that you're really, what you're talking about with your children. Yeah. I mean, those are the years when you're paying a lot of time and you're playing and they're hugging and you're running around and you're playing games. And they hit a certain age and, oh, if you do that well when they're young, the relationship never changes. I mean, you've got a foundation and they're like your best friend later on after they're, you know, you're not parenting anymore actively. But they still, they hit about 15, 12 to 15. They're starting to do their activities. They're doing more and more. They're slowly doing more and more things when you're not there. You know, so if you miss those years, I mean, they're just gone. Yeah.

It's not like you can magically make them up. You know, you can just, well, they're 25 now. I can pretend, you missed it. You know, they're 15. You missed it. You can do different things. But it's so critical, so critical when they're young to just absolutely be their dad. I mean, you only have a few short years. And, man, they fly. They seem like they take forever at times and you seem like, man, this day's never going to end, whatever. They fly. They fly. All right. I don't know.

I actually have a huge heart for this subject. There's nothing that irks me faster, especially people that claim to love Jesus that do not invest in their children. You know what I'm saying? Like they're a side note. They're an afterthought. They're a whatever. And I like, I don't know. It just drives me bonkers because I feel like people pick and choose what responsibilities from God they want to take on. They're ignoring the full counsel of God. And, you know, the kind of guy that God looks for is a man that falls into bed at night because he's tired, not because he's bored. He is tired. He's done. The day is done. And he's going to get up early and it's going to be another one of working and loving and trying and investing and really getting some things done.

But, like, that is not a man who just sits about and is like, you know what, I don't even know what else to do with myself. I'm just going to take these bagged readers on head to bed. I'm done for the day, I guess. You know what I'm saying? Like, I feel like there's way more of that going on than guys that are willing to carry the load. You've been listening to Live from the Path. You can catch us every Monday night here at livefromthepath.org from 10 to 11 and Saturdays from 10 to 11 p.m. on 99.3 KTIA. I want to thank you so much for hanging out with us. Make sure to hit the website at livefromthepath.org. During the week, you can check out clips from previous artists that have been on the show. You can participate in the games even post-mortem and see how you can do Secular vs. Solomon. Can you rewind it so in case you got it wrong, you can just kind of… Yeah, yeah, give it another go. Definitely.

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He also sells one mean house. Yeah, yeah. You need to sell a house. Just one. You call Bob. Yeah, and he did it one time and thought, I'm done in the mean house market. I've had enough of them. They bite and they're snarling. Thanks for listening. Have a good week.