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So, we're gonna do a secular versus Solomon. It's on tap. Yeah, buddy. I haven't done that, done that forever, so we're gonna do that. There's some tasty ones in there tonight, boys. I'm scared. Be be be prepared to know what what the world is up to. Dan and Ben, actual countries, please? I I don't violate. I'm the moderator. Dan is a violator. You violate with your eyes. Ben already knows the answer, so he he he doesn't have to come up up with the answers. I cannot be wrong. I'm I'm the guy who failed geography. I know, like, three countries. Alright. We'll see how Wait. Hold on. Is it was that consistent at at everybody's high school? Like, was geography like a crap class? Never took where, or you just skipped it? I I moved it. No. I'm I moved, like, in from one school to another. And in one school, it was, like, the grade ahead of me, and then we moved. And that school, was the grade behind me, so I literally never took geography. I took I never did. Dan, that's awesome. Didn't you think to mention that to someone? Just like, hey, man. I don't know what you're talking about with g come to geography. Great. That age, I was just like, oh, cool. Sweet. I didn't have to take geography.

I took geography in my seventh grade year. So Yeah. So that's the time I I moved. So see? There you go. I always figured I can look it up, so why do I need to worry? So here's the deal. There's a lot of things there's a lot of things where that's true, and I actually think geography is one of them. Right? Yeah. Hey, man. I'm going to Malaysia. Yeah. I got time to check it. I got time to work. Know about it till I'm going there. Yeah. I will see the physical country. I don't need to see it on a map. Like, yeah, like, aside from the fact that you're heading somewhere and, again, a GPS nowadays will take care of that. Exactly. What other country do I need to know, like, right now? Otherwise, there's dire circumstances. On that basis, because we have calculators, we should get rid of all math. I you know what? There's a cognitive thought that goes in with that. Mean, you know Cognitive thought to be able to pull up Yugoslavia on a map. No. No. No. It's an efficiency issue, not necessarily an ability issue. Right? Yeah. I would. I would chuck I would chuck all, mathematics and depend on calculators only if it was efficient to do so, but it takes a lot more. Just like the lady at the Walmart that sit takes the checkout, who still writes the check. Right? Like Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's just unnecessary. It's not efficient. And with the Huckster, I went and did a, one of those timeshare things, last week. I got some free motel and and gave them two hours of my life. And and when they're sitting there throwing these figures around, you don't have time to pull out a calculator and say, wait. Let me think this through. He's he's throwing all these numbers. I'm thinking to myself, you did not add that correctly, so he lost credibility with me. Here you go. If I had Use the calculator. I say we keep geography too, though. I enjoyed that class. Yeah. I I'm sure I would've.

We just can we just stick with keeping geography in schools? I still I punch in, Shawnee, Oklahoma Uh-huh. On my GPS, and I go, oh, I'll get there in about twelve hours. And then I get there, and, then it goes a different way. Troy takes out the McNally that he has under his front seat, takes out a ruler My wife does that and then checks it. My wife's like, yeah. I've gotta have I've gotta have the the the the what do you call it? The The Rand McNally. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, why? Why? Yeah. I have to have the full state map and see where I'm at and then check my globe that I keep in my backseat to make sure I'm not in Mongolia at any point in time. That's some traveler. You got the globe. It's because I was in geography. I have to make sure that I'm not in a different country. It changes so often now. I I've never seen those little lines, though. I cross them all the time, but I've never seen them. That's true. You can see them on a GPS. Very nice. You know exactly when you change it. Apparently, I need a GPS then. Alright. You're listening to life from the past. Like, I see here's the deal. You you make mistakes in life, and checking out the first five minutes of the show is always one of them. Yeah. Even if you like the show, skip the first five minutes. We've gotta warm up a little It's in your own best interest. So here's what we got going on. We're gonna do secular versus Solomon. We're gonna do some advice on dear life in the path. Nate Herrera's in studio. He's got some Pope style advice. I think I have one too. I'm gonna I'm gonna keep letting it roam through my mind to make sure that I've I I I can speak about it adequately, but I think I have some Pope style advice. That mental food, man. You gotta get us off your lawn. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. You're in you're listening to us at, live from the path. Oh, sorry, Chad. I'm a offended the chat with the no math proposition.

You're listening on livefromthepath.org or on ninety nine point three KTA. Hey. Listen. If you're listening to the KTAA show, thanks for coming. But, make sure you check out the live show on Monday night. You can be part of the chat. We can anger you with things we say as well. That's right. And I and I We can offend you personally. Yeah. Let us offend you. Come on. Listen to the live show. I think that makes a lot of sense. So here's here's one of the questions. So last week, we talked about why people don't, why people leave the church, whether that's even true, why people, you know, perhaps don't come to begin with. Okay?

And and and just just kind of with some peripheral conversations that I've had throughout this throughout last week kinda following that show, like completely unrelated because it's not like anybody watched it. But but but I think it brings up another question is, we're all kinda like hypothesizing why people, you know, are not going, why people leave, and that kind of thing. And the question is is, like, how well do we actually know people? Right? I mean, when we talk when we talk about people's

opinions are based upon their own circumstances. Right? And the Internet is rife with blowhardiness. The ability to to propose that the way that you see the world is a way in which other people should see the world, and that they should learn from the thing that you say. Right? The the very nature of this platform is we just talk with no insinuation that it could may or may not be right. Right? But, like, the Internet is rife with that type of podium. And so the question is is, like, how well how well do we even know people?

Like, so personally, if you were to look out and say, you know what? I would you say that you had a good handle on how peep what people think and and what they do and how their life is? Boova? I wouldn't say that I I'm absolutely great at, but I think I'm I'm okay. I mean, I do well enough to have personal relationships with quite a few people, and I've been able to read people for years, through the jobs that I've had and through the interactions that I've had. I can I can pinpoint for the most part? I mess up all the time, but at the same time, I'm actually okay at, reading people and getting their thoughts and experiences.

Dan? I I think that every single people group has a tendency to to filter everything through their own experience because that's just how we are. That's our nature. That's why racism gets so crazy is because we we project our own thoughts on other people, and we we categorize people. And it's not necessarily true. We don't we don't know individuals. We we we think, well, you're you're this skin color or you're that ethnic or whatever, and and we kinda throw things at people. And that's how these groups get angry at each other. And then then leaderships anyway, I'm kind of strained for you. But, yeah, I don't I don't think we I don't think we really know. I don't I don't think the surveys are are totally accurate. I don't know. Does anyone really fully 100% honest on a survey? You know? I mean, they might give you some generalities, but I it we're just we're still boiled down to we're individual people. I may be flavored by my particular environment, you know, my upbringing, my my little world, but, I don't think I know fully anybody.

Nate, what are your thoughts? Yeah. I think, I think I can get a good grasp with, with people after after I've spent some time with them. But then again, every time I start to think that I'm getting to know that I'm getting to know people Yeah. I'm throwing a curveball. So Yeah. Do I really know what people think is a broad term? I'd say probably not.

I think it takes a a sense of personal interaction and and some time some time invested to to really understand and know people. Yeah. And I I think maybe what I'm getting at here, Buva aside, who who is like a heraldo of people Yes. And knows everybody. I know everyone. Is I I think I think maybe we we make a a pretty broad mistake in trying to treat large sections of folk as if you know them. You know, like like, the humanity is such a is such a unique has like, even individuals with humanity are, like, so unique. It's very, very difficult to paint them with broad brushes. You can you may be able to paint their actions, but you don't know the motivations behind their actions. Right? Yeah. They may express motivation, but but there's even things behind what people choose to say and what they don't say, what they share and what they don't share. I will like, it depends on on what they're asking. But, I mean, I will say,

if I answer a survey, I have problems trying to decide, like, are they asking me what I want what I wanna believe or what I do? Yeah. Yeah. You know? What I think is true and how I always act. Right? Because I I I believe strongly that there's a God in heaven. Do I always act like that? No. No. You could look at my the the portions of my life, you're like, that guy doesn't believe in anything. And so and so the question is is is is is what what do people share? What don't they share? And I think I think the reason that this was this was floating through my mind today is because, you know, for for all the for all the solutions that we that we think we have or that people think they have, especially as easily shared on an on a platform like the Internet or even all media for that matter, it it it's it's simply

an individual thing. It's an individual, like, you know individual people? Can you do you know enough about their lives to know where their nuances are? To know where the where their motivations actually live? To know if if what they're expressing are things that they're just regurgitating or things that they have been told to think to believe or or or or think to show or think to feel or or they what they actually feel. And all of the barrier between all that is actually knowing somebody. Yeah. Everybody has a different story. We all come from a different place, and and we all have a different little journey we've been on. I've never ever you know, you read those little things of of my age group. Everybody has their age group, and and and they define what my age group acts like. I've never acted like my age group, and I don't if that means I'm very immature or I mean, I, you know, I I I can read all of them thinking that's me or that's not me. It's like, they're so vague. You know? It's kinda like a horoscope. You're gonna have a beautiful day. Yes. You you know? I mean, it's like, well And I did. They know me. You will meet someone. I met several. I mean, you know, there's just too vague. But when you get to know someone and get into their life and know their story and hit and and know you know, have a communication,

one on one conversation with someone, then then I can appreciate you as a human being as opposed to, okay. You're x tall and and and that color hair, and and you live in the Midwest. This is what you must believe. You know? I was like, what? Well and and I think I think maybe it comes down to me from a from from a Christ following perspective when you think about how you can how you can influence people's lives, how you can help them to make disciples. It's like, broad information is really in the who gives a crap category. Yeah. Like, who really cares? Do I care what the millennial generation responds or doesn't respond to? How about do I know anybody? If that is in that age category? Yeah. Yeah. What do they think? Right? Because, like, what do I care what a national what the national trend is? What what they think people are doing? How they some of them responded at some point in time about something? I suppose if you're making a broad program, you're gonna make decisions based on that. But if you're interacting, you're gonna do it on. Which which, I mean, really, if I have to choose a way to make disciples, broad program, personal interaction? I think Jesus went all the way with broad programs, didn't he? He I mean, he doubled down on it.

Okay. A lot of people Tuesdays and Thursday. You don't know that. Page 38, parable number seven. I really hope there's lilies in this field. Noise is gonna be off. It'd be really awkward. Everyone look at your lily. Now consider it. Solomon and how great he was clothed? I hope so. You know, and and I'm I'm not I'm not assuming that people are, like that are necessarily doing this, that you're looking at broad things. But I think sometimes we grasp even as people that love Jesus, we're like, we we wanna help people, we don't know how. And so we grab at things like that. We're like, oh, how can I better reach people? What what are they thinking? How do I get into the mind of this person? You know how you do it. Yeah. Ask them. Yeah. Talk to them. We're we're we're we are either in a hurry or we're trying to make these cookie cutter things, or we're just plain lazy rather than, like you say, rather than saying, hey. Do you wanna go grab a cup of coffee? And they're like, no. Okay. I'll go to someone else. Oh, move on. Thank you. Bummer. This is awkward, but, you know, I can see this isn't going anywhere.

Actually, you know how you get around that? You only ask people who already have coffee because you know they can't bail on it. So, like, I see you have coffee. Let's talk. Come with me to grab that cup of coffee? Just set it down real quick. Grab it right back up. Yeah. You always ask someone to meet you somewhere where you know they're already going to be. You know what I'm saying? Like, if you're even if you're next to someone in the target, say, hey, man. You wanna meet up and say Aisle 10? And then you just wait. Find people in the laundromat. Everybody wanna go get some laundry and a heat washing machine? Everybody needs toilet paper, and you're not scary enough to keep them out of there when people have their needs. So you're saying that I should just stand in the toilet paper aisle of different places? It's a great place to meet people. Yeah. I know you have needs, and you you desire comfort. I feel like yeah. Exactly. I feel like that's a great conversation. Is that Cottonelle?

Do you notice this is two ply? Exactly. What are your thoughts on the double rope? Scott Towels going through a rough patch. I have kids. I I had a I used to I used to work at a factory in in college, and I was in the shipping area. I think I had a half hour conversation with a truck driver about toilet paper one day. Wow. I'm just like, dude, I don't really need to know your your toilet paper purchasing habits. Guy that knows, though. He he knew. He could tell you price per per square, and and he was he was a total Scott man. He goes, I've done the con comparisons. I'm going, dude, I'm, in college. I don't care. I I use what they give me. This man has done

scientific research as to the best products he's proud of himself. But I have to admit, for five years, I bought Scott after that conversation. Maybe he secretly worked for Scott. You never know. He could have. Boy, that's an expensive ad campaign from the Scott people. Employ truckers. Go into the marketplace. And then go talk to people for half an hour of your shift.

I know, so I suppose what what all that boils down to is that my I think that's probably the the crux of my Pope style advice. Right? If there's if there's people standing out of my lawn and they say, Ben, I need some life advice, or otherwise, we refuse to leave your lawn. It has to be something that is that is personal to your life. I think it would be, it's nothing Make an appointment one at a time. Talk to individuals. Might as well go ahead and put up a tent. I think I think it would be is that, like, for as much as you wanna change the world, why don't you start why don't you start next door? You know, why don't you start in your house and then kinda next door, and then the guy that you knew from a couple years ago who's having a rough time, and then the lady that you met at the supermarket who also who maybe not having a rough time, but, you know, maybe because she loved Jesus.

And, you know, actually, here's what I thought this week. Because I thought there's no you you the the phrase that there's no I in team? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. They always tell you that. Right? But, like, you know what that creates is a team full of people who individually don't give a crap. That's true. You know what I'm saying? And that's the last one I want is a band of people who, like, individually don't care. And the the I I get it. Right? I get where that comes from is is you don't want some kind of, you know, big dominant guy who's who's who doesn't care about the people around him. But, like, if he doesn't care enough to do to act strongly on himself, to be boldly on his own, the last thing I want is a group of those people hanging around, banding together, and doing the same junky stuff as a group. Like, the only thing you get from a group there is a bunch of other people to blame it on. Well, we failed. Yeah. You kinda failed. You just found a bunch of other guys who would agree to fail with you, so you didn't feel as good. And it's it's that same who who said it it takes a village to raise a kid? That was Hillary. Okay. So here's the last here's last the thing I want. Right? The last thing I want is a parent who's willing to let who wants to pass the responsibilities Go ahead. Let the village raise it. Now is there a benefit from from allowing a bunch of folks into your life to help you raise kids and to, like, have perspectives and to keep you accountable, yeah, I'm a thumbs up on that. But the last thing I wanna do is a bunch of rowdy, randy kids running around town and like, well, it's the village's problem. Let them take care of it. And and so, you know,

I don't know. For some reason, I I think that falls on the same lines for me this week is that, like, you know, it's it's a it's a there these are intimate things. These are personal things. These are close relationships. These are you. This is you. This is not a group. These are your friends. This is not everybody's friends. This is your wife, not everybody's wife. This is your woman, not everybody's ladies. It's your kids. You know what saying? Like, you I don't know. Live in your life. Live in your life and then stop stop thinking so macro. If everyone thinks micro, the macro will turn out glorious. Yeah. But but sometimes sometimes we're, like, because we're this well connected giant world, like, we're trying to change things for people, you know, in in big broad sweeps. And we we miss the little things that are going on around us, and then ultimately, nothing changes because of that. So overall, Ben is against teamwork and villages raising children.

Yeah. That's right. What do what's hold on. What's not what it means? Hold on. Chad has argued with me. Uh-oh. They're talking about the village? Yes. The village is not about that. See, that's not what it means. I didn't actually read the book, so I I know, I can't being felt selfish, but someone that wants to work for the benefit the team. No. I I get that. I get that. That that like you say, don't there's no I in team because you don't want someone that's out there for themselves. But but here's the deal, if they're not out there for themselves, like, if they don't care enough to do it for themselves, what makes you think they're gonna do it for a team? Like, I I I think that

I I think it generates, you know, perhaps I would I would like someone who cares enough about themselves to do it for themselves, and then to also care enough to do that for everyone else. Yeah. Right? But but there's yeah. I I think there's there's sometimes a danger. And I know I know that when applied and and thought of correctly, that there's nothing inherently wrong with the phrase. But I think sometimes what we end up doing with stuff like that is, like, we diminish we we somehow it's naughty to be the guy that wants to to change things on your own. Yeah. Personal responsibility,

personal desire to to to move forward type of thing. You're just waiting for the crew to go with you or something? Yeah. So I I mean, I get it. I get I get what you're saying. I just I I think sometimes that it's taken it's taken the wrong way by the wrong people, Right? By the person that wants to kinda shirk that. So yeah. No. I hate the phrase. I hate there's no I in team. I think it's outrageous. It's a it's a blight upon humanity. Man, how would you start spelling team with I an I in know what Ben's getting it for Christmas. I'm just gonna get him a big poster that says team, t I e m. There is a me in team. You recognize that? Yeah. Yes. Thank you for that. There's also meat in team. These are bumpers.

There's bumpers in team. Is there bacon? No. Oh. Alright. You're listening live from the past. Alright. Alright. Well, I don't Eats in there. Yeah. I'll take yeah. That's true. That's your post hog. Get off my lawn. Get off my lawn. You and your team. I don't wanna hear this. I don't I don't want you on here. You group of individuals. Get out of here. Alright. We're not gonna call you. Alright. Nate Herrera, thanks for dropping by the studio, Nate. Oh, no problem. It's a pleasure. Okay. Good. So here's the deal. It's it's very unfair to throw you on the spot with some pope style advice, but we were talking a little bit earlier. And I don't know. What's what's what's something that you would say has impacted your life? A piece of wisdom. Yeah. Yeah. I think the the best wisdom that I've received recently

a man once said to me we were talking about spiritual maturity and and really really how to grow and and using the excuse of, well, I just need more time. I just need more time. Oftentimes, we we find that as, an excuse. We think growth just comes with time. And this guy said to me one time because I was the guy using the excuse. But, the guy said to me, he said, it's not about time. It's about how much of your life you're willing to give up for Christ.

The more of your life you're willing to give up for Christ, the more you'll grow spiritually and mature. And I think that just starting with the things when we look at our own lives and and how our own lives reflect, I think those things that that we're like, God, I wanna keep this. You can have everything else, but but I want this and this and this. And those things you can't touch. And I think when we start to give those up is when we really start to see our lives grow and and our spirit inner inner spirit. And and we really learn what it means to walk in the spirit

by doing that. Start seeing some transformation take place Yeah. As opposed to just, like, hanging out with a group or attending a church. Oh, yeah. You're you're changing. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. We're we're called to take up the cross daily, so, you know, that's that's absolutely a big deal. I completely agree with that. It can happen in in a month. It can happen in ten years, you know. Spiritual maturity is something that that that God grants and something that you have to to accept and through sanctification through the process of of us being brought under the the umbrella of the cloud, whatever you'd like to call it, of the holy spirit, and being pushed. What what's the The umbrella of the cloud of the holy spirit. I'm I'm gonna write that down. That's kinda creepy.

There's another t shirt right there. Yeah. Exactly. The umbrella of cloud. It's a weird way to say it. I'm just I'm just We'll just call it the mist. It brought into the light and the love of the holy spirit and and understanding more about god and understanding more about Christ and our relationship. Yeah. It's absolutely I I agree entirely that it's not just a thing about time. It's it really is about taking up your cross daily and giving up everything Well, mean, I I I mean, to to what Nate said, you can't really be you're not transformed by putting on a Jesus costume. Right? Then you're just a creepy Jesus cross dresser. You know, the question is, like, what are you giving up? Like, did you did you get out of the way and let God do what he's gonna do? Or did you just, like, put on the God mask and, like, look around? The the creepy Holy Spirit umbrella that you were talking about.

Hey, man. I'm okay with the holy spirit holding an umbrella over me so that I don't get away. Yeah. I don't think we can we can sit there and consciously say, like, yeah, god just god just isn't doing enough work in my life. You know? It's like Pick it up here. Come on, god. Exactly. Yeah. The one who created the universe, it just isn't really working a lot. It's like, no. It might be you. Like, I mean, out of the two people in that relationship, the perfect being and then you, who might be the problem, don't think I'm gonna go point fingers at god. Yeah. Yeah. Never worked well. Job. I'm not doing that. That didn't work well for him. Well, I think I don't know. I think that's solid. Give it all up. Stop. Yeah. Yeah. Brilliant. That's hard. Oh. That's hard. It never ends. Stand under the umbrella of the holy spirit. I'm gonna have to ask you to stop saying that. That's

I got my yeah. That's creepy. That's creepy. You're making it creepy by continuously saying it's creepy. No. That's true. It was creepy enough to actually put in the new no. No. The the inspired word of god didn't say anything about that one. Was a cut. No. You're right. You go ahead. My apologies. Luke tried that. The holy spirit said no. The lord didn't didn't capture it well enough. You go ahead. Fine. Yes. I I I apologize

for that statement. God said it's okay to add on to it. You'd Yes. Yeah. Trying to hide. Alright. Your list of Live From Path. We're coming for you every Monday night at livefromthepath.org. It's Nate. What what that's his name. His Nate. What What else do you wanna know? If you want if you want me to ask him questions, chat, tell me what you wanna know, I will ask him. Try to keep it personal, because no one listens to the show, and it's totally cool to ask him things that he otherwise would be embarrassed to say in front of everybody. Anyway, you're watching every Monday night you're not watching. At 10:00 on livefromthepath.org or Saturdays at 07:00 on ninety nine point three KTA. Hopefully, you're catching the podcast because that's where all the fun happens. And I was That's the action right there. Glad you're hanging out. So hey hey, here's what we're gonna do. Here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna do one of my favorite favorite aspects of the show. This is America's fastest growing Internet game show. We call it Secular versus Solomon.

And now for America's fastest growing game show. Secular or Solomon? Okay. Here are rules. Here's what's gonna go down. I'm gonna give you a proper a bit of wisdom,

and your job is to tell me whether it is a secular bit of wisdom or one biblical bit of wisdom, Solomon. Okay? And if it is a if it's a secular bit of wisdom, to top it off, you have to tell me the country of origin. Where did that that bit of wisdom originate from? So the answer is either going to be secular and a country of origin or Solomon, meaning it's a biblical bit of wisdom. Everybody good? I'm good. I'm good. Here we go. Guys ready? Everybody playing home? This will be my best time ever. Okay. Okay. Awesome. Dan's been studying. I've been studying. The fun is found on the podcast because half of the show ends up on legitimate radio, and we don't want to embarrass the nice man who's let us go on there. So the after the show is over is when we get to say what we really wanna say, and that's on the podcast. That's why that's why the fun happens on the podcast. I'm open to any other questions. I'm

here all night. Alright. Here we go. Sagitta versus Solomon. Number one, first bit of wisdom. God gives every bird its food, but does not always drop it into the nest. God gives every bird its food, but does not always drop it into the nest. Secular or Solomon? I'm gonna go secular Saudi Arabia.

Saudi Arabian bird food from the lord. Mhmm. Bubba. Nate Herrera. I'm gonna go secular via Mexico. A twisted tongue Mexico.

Dan Hudson. Thank you, Solomon. That is obviously secular, and there's gotta be more birds in this area. So I'm gonna go Australia, Known for their birds. Australia. Alright. Here we go. God gives every bird its food, but does not always drop it into the nest. Secular Danish. That's right next to Australia. Danish. Next to Mexico.

Thank you, Dan, having taken geography. That is a complete biff here in the studio. Nobody got it correct. Here we go. If you are wise, you are wise for yourself. If you scoff, you alone will bear it. If you are wise, you are wise for yourself. If you scoff, you alone will bear it. Secular Secular or Solomon? Nate. I'm gonna go Solomon. Solomon, Dan Hudson. You know, I hate to say it this way, but I kinda think that's opposite. So I'm gonna go secular and so it's probably,

boy, there's gotta be somewhere in in India. Going out on a limb with secular Mongolia. India. John Boomer the third. You know, it's got the the trigger word wise in there. And normally, I I I jump on Solomon when I hear wise just because Solomon.

But I'm gonna go secular, and I'm gonna go Canadian. That sounds Canadian. Yeah. It does sound Canadian. Secular Canadian. Here we go. If you are wise, you are wise for yourself. If you scoff, you alone will bear it. Scoff should have given it away. That is a proverb. Solomon, Proverbs nine twelve. Dan is on the wrong side of the Lord on this. Oh. It just seems like if if if you're wise, you're helping other people, then and and if if you're not, you're a scoffer, you're hurting yourself. Are you disagreeing with Solomon? That's why I said I had to be careful, but,

you know Alright. So think through the whole if you are wise too. You are wise for yourself, it benefits you. If you scoff, you alone will bear it. So I I think I think generally it's saying the impact of either your wisdom or your scoff will fall on you one way or the other. And it's also not it's also saying not saying that wisdom is only good for you. It also says that Nate is right. Oh. It does say that. It does say that. That was right on. Here we go. Nate's got one. When a wife sins, the husband is never innocent. A wife sins, the husband is never innocent. Secular or Solomon, Dan Hudson. I know that that is obviously

that that that is a secular and a that man, that's Kuwait. That's Kuwait written all over it. Kuwait. The guilty, sinful Kuwaitis with with wandering ladies. Go ahead. Did you really just make a rhyme? You bet I did.

That is a bumper sticker. Go. Well played. I'm gonna go secular and I'm gonna go Chile. Holy cats. Pants? Go ahead, Madeira. I'm gonna go secular and Russian.

When a wife sins, the husband is never innocent. The guilty party is the secular Italians. Pantsola. Solid. Solid guess, sir. Did Pants get it right? He did. Pants nail it. Yeah. He did. That's awesome, Pants. Alright. Here we go. There is no wise response to a foolish remark.

There is no wise response to a foolish remark. Secular or Solomon. John Buba? Nah. I'll go Solomon. Solomon, date Herrera. I will second that Solomon. Bandwagon on the Solomon, Dan Hudson. I'm bandwagon all the way. Solomon. Three for three. There is no wise response to a foolish remark. Secular Romania.

That's what I said. Oh. Secular Romania. You could cut the foolishness in here with a knife. It sounded like Serve it to the needy. A wise remark to help out our foolishness. Oh. How embarrassing. Here we go. That's what I said. Say, You're part of America's fastest growing unverified internet game show, Secular versus Solomon. I will give you the proverb, the bit of wisdom. You tell me whether it is secular, something of the world and the country of origination or whether it is biblical wisdom otherwise attributable to Solomon or that one guy other guy that wrote Proverbs. Who am thinking of? Like, he puts with an a or something, doesn't it? Yeah. Toward chapter 32 ish, 31 ish. There is no third I once misquoted him in a sermon and attributed to Solomon, and I'll never regret it. I'll never forget it. It's been in my mind forever, except for I can't remember his name. Just be careful when you're in the proverbs. Here we go. Milk the cow, but do not pull off the udder. Milk the cow, but do not pull off the udder. Those are some wise words. Nate Herrera, secular Solomon.

I'm gonna go secular and India. Secular, there are some angry cows in India according to Nate Herrera. Dan Hudson. They've been ripped off. Secular Sullivan. I'm going secular, and then it's it's New Guinea.

It's they they have an utter problem in New Guinea. With aplomb, Dan says, New Guinea. John, move over the third. Secular, The Netherlands. Boy. Milk the cow, but do not pull off the utter secular Greek Greek. There

you go. Close to The Netherlands. Make sure to inspect your milk before you guzzle. There goes a Greek yogurt. Another. Here we go. The memory of the righteous is a blessing, but the name of the wicked will rot. The memory of the righteous is a blessing, but the name of the wicked will rot. Secular or Solomon, where are you? John Buva. I'm gonna go Solomon.

Solomon, Nate Herrera. Solomon. That's a verified Solomon, Dan Hudson. I I will triple that. Solomon. Three for three. Didn't go well for us the last time. We'll see. The memory of the righteous is a blessing, but the name of the wicked will rot, attributable appropriately to Proverbs ten seven. That's a Solomon. Yes. Amen. Solomon. Very good. Secular Finland is incorrect. Thank you for playing. Better to be lowly and have a servant than to play the great man and lack bread. Better to be lowly and have a servant than to play the great man and lack bread. Secular or Solomon Nehera? That is Solomon. That's the Solomon. Dan Hudson. I'm going Solomon. Two for two on Solomon. I'll go Solomon.

Buba. Bandwagons. Better to be lowly and have a servant than to play the great man and lack bread. Solomon, Proverbs twelve nine. Twelve nine. Very good. Where there are no oxen, the manger is clean,

but abundant crops come by the strength of the ox. Where there are no oxen, the manger is clean, but abundant crops come by the strength of the ox, secular or Solomon. Dan Hudson. That's a Kenyan proverb. Securly. The Kenyans are having troubles with the oxen. The the lions keep eating them. The lions keep eating them. That's why I don't go to Kenya. John Bovea. I'm gonna go secular Sweden. Swedes.

Nate Herrera. I'm gonna go secular Pakistinian. Pakistani, where there are no oxen, the manger is clean but abundant crops come by the strength of the ox. Nobody knows the lord. No. Not one. Proverbs fourteen four.

What a mistake. That must have been the one that wasn't written by Solomon. Yeah. Exactly. Why we didn't wanna say Solomon is because we knew that. Here we go. Love tells us many things that are not so. Love tells us many things that are not so secular or Solomon.

John Buba. I'll go secular, and I will go Russian. Oh. Yeah.

The Russians have it rough They do. In the ways of love. In the ways That's why there's always Russian ladies on the online dating sites. Right. I don't have a profile. I don't know anything about that. Never mind. Ne Herrera. Love tells us many things that are not so secular or Solomon. Do I get to phone a friend? No. That's not no checking the bible either. I'll take, secular French. French. That's why I don't go to Kenya. Dan Hudson. There's a big problem with this in Italy, and, so they made up a proverb to try to help curb it. So Italy, secular. A lying woman who reflects the sins of the husband. Love tells us many things that are not so secular.

Ukraine. Ukraine. Be on the lookout for scandalous ladies in the Ukraine. Secular. Here we go. A rebuke goes deeper into a man of understanding than a 100 blows into a fool.

A rebuke goes deeper into a man of understanding than a 100 blows into a fool, secular, or Solomon. Nate Herrera, bring us home. Well, considering I've been rebuked many times, I'm gonna go with Solomon. Solomon,

from personal experience, Nate is is claimed he's claimed to be a man of understanding and not a 100 blows into a John a fool. Nate Nate Hudson. Yes. I I'm going as well with Solomon. Rebuking goes hard in Solomon's territory. That's why I don't go to Kenya. John Buber the third. Third strike, Solomon. A rebuke goes deeper into a man of understanding than a 100 blows into a fool. Proverbs seventeen ten. Yeah, buddy. Solomon. That

was you don't you didn't deserve that. You didn't earn that, yeah, buddy. Yeah. You barely skate along with some paltry biblical knowledge. Yeah. But I mean, no pumps, no arms celebrations. You skirted by. Yeah, buddy? Hey.

What hap why? Where's my cat? He's supposed to keep me from doing things like that. Whatever. That's you've been listening to America's growing

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Dear Life From The Path, my mother and I were close growing up. However, when I was in college, she abandoned the family. My siblings were in high school and in elementary school for her much younger boyfriend. Since then, our relationship has been strained, particularly since I learned she used to tell her then husband she was visiting me when she was carrying on her affair. After that, I learned about additional lies she had told me throughout my childhood. I'm married now and have two young children. Until a year ago, we lived in the same city. Mom never came around much because she was preoccupied with finding new boyfriends to support her. She has since moved out of state and stalked me on Facebook, harassing me to get Skype so she could talk to my children.

My mother has never apologized for her actions to anyone and thinks we should just get over it. Because so much has come out about her, I want to protect my children from being hurt by her the way I was the way I was. Excuse me. I can't tell her outright that I don't want much to do with her for fear. Will send her into an episode, and I don't want my kids caught in the crossfire. If I try to sugarcoat what needs to be said, she won't get it. Life in the path. What should I do? What are your thoughts, fellas? I think that you be honest with your children. Say, here here's here's the life that grandma has lived. I don't know if you need to cut them off from her, but just just just be honest with them and say, hey. Mom mom's a sinner just like you and I are.

I don't know their, you know, relationship with Christ. This yeah. This is a woman, right, with her children. Yeah. That's correct. So we're gonna pretend that they're they're believers. And, you know, you gotta you you gotta forgive mom. You don't have to keep her real close, but you don't there's no reason to shut her out.

Just just be honest and say, hey. Just just you know, mom's got mom doesn't agree with our we we have different lifestyles. We have different beliefs. We have different values. Just understand when when when grandma says something that's probably wrong Yeah. You know, and when it comes to morality and, put put everything through that filter. I would just teach my teach my children that that filter because they're gonna interact with people all over the place that have same filter. That's not the only person that's ever gonna be kind of lackeytown. Yep. Yeah. I would agree with Dan. You need to make sure that you're guarding your kids, obviously. Yeah. That's one of your responsibilities as a parent. Oops. But at the same time, you know, you don't shut that person out just because of Pat's flaws.

I think that you should you know, as the daughter to this this woman, you should try and mend the relationship because she is a sinner and so are you. You're no worse. She's no better, anything like that. But at the same time, I do think you can guard your kids for the most part, not necessarily just shutting them off, but putting it through the filter just like Dan said. This woman seems like a real piece of work.

The grandma? Yes. Yeah. I mean She does. Here's the thing. I here's the deal. I struggle with it. It's there's no there's no sign of of progress here. I mean, the it's it's it's it's not

there's no it's she's not repentant. She's not apologetic. Get over it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Skype, I might agree to Skype. I think Skype might work out. Sure. That keeps a healthy distance. Yeah. I think that'd be alright. But I mean You can shut that off at any time. Yeah. I I don't I don't know that I'd agree to anything beyond that. It's just it's simply not worth it. And and the thing is is if you have people in your life that you can't tell the truth to because they might go into what you've quoted as an episode Yeah. That's messed up. That's now, here's the deal. This the the daughter's obviously been hurt.

You know, I Yeah. Might take with a not necessarily a grain. What's smaller than a grain? A grain of what? A half a grain of salt as to what she's saying. Like, there's probably it's probably more truth than not, but I mean, there's probably it's probably reflecting a little bit on how she's been treated. Sure. You know, you you always think people are gonna react the way that they always reacted or the way that you were hurt by. Right. But, you know, I I I think I could get on board with the Skype, but I I I'd probably be real wary of anything else. And the thing is is, like, people that are that are like that, that are unrepentant, that that can do things like, you know, having the affairs and looking for boyfriends and stuff and abandoning your kids, Like, if they're if they don't see it, you can't talk sense into folks like that. It's not like they're they're gonna be, oh, you know what? You're right. I did some crappy stuff. Yeah. You know? Like and and you'll you'll waste your breath and you'll waste your life trying to trying to help people like that. You can pray for them. You can you can put fences around what you'll let them do, what you'll let them say, how close you'll let them get to people as a as a protection. But it's also a mistake to underestimate God in those circumstances that he can't do what he wants to do and that he can't help to to change the lives of those people there? I think you you can set it. I think

I think she, she has a great opportunity to set an example to her children here and showing grace. And I think that that there is a possibility, if she is a believer, of allowing

her mother to to see her life as, maybe that's the only bible she'll she'll be able to see. If she's not a believer and she's not going to church, maybe this is a way to to reach out to her mother and and share the gospel. And and like you said, it can be from Skype. It doesn't have to be in in person and and you can have those those barriers. But I think this is this could be a great possibility to show her kids, hey, this is what grace is.

Even when when someone hurts you as bad as my mother hurt me or someone, offends you a certain way, you can really show them grace. And we're called to forgive and forgive and forgive. And and the grace the grace bank that we give from Christ, it's it's an unlimited flow and we can just hand that out whenever needed. So I mean, I think I think that it it's smart to put up those parameters and and really, if their life if their life shows a lot of dangers, but I I think it's a great opportunity for her to really, really be an example in showing grace.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I I grew up in a a not completely similar, but somewhat similar situation where my my father was pretty unfaithful and, left the family and all that whole type of thing. And, you know, I never looked at it as a personal assault on me. He he he didn't he didn't ridic on his vows to me. He ridic on his vows to my to my mom, to his wife. And so I I just and maybe I don't know why I processed it this way, but I figured that's that's really between him and god, and and that's something he needs to work out, which fortunately he did later on in life. But I'm I'm sure I had some anger issues, but but I never by the time I was an adult, you know, I I didn't I didn't dislike him. I didn't, you know, I I I didn't keep my children from him. It was just like, well, what do you expect out of someone who who is in rebellion from from God is course, they're gonna live out their their their desires,

just as I would too. So, you know, like I say, fortunately, he became a believer himself later on, repented of everything and and Awesome. And, yeah, came to Christ. But It's it's it's like dealing with any any behavior that is not consistent with what God has asked. I mean, you're you're gonna run into it. So question is, can you and your kids recognize it? Can you give can you give grace for people where where it's needed? And, you know, but can you can you use that as a time to recognize, you know, here's here's what God here's what God has asked to do for our protection, our joy, and his glory. And what, what's going on there, and is that it? And, I mean, there's always an opportunity for that. Yeah. I mean, her mom was not thinking, boy, I'm really willing to destroy my daughter. I wanna find another boyfriend. Right. You know, it it was it was it was her sin with her god that that she needs to work out. Yeah. Just to to comment back on that, she said that her mom left well, she was in college. Right? Yeah. She was an adult and and out of the house and away.

It seems like she's harboring a lot of this anger. And she also mentioned it was she left her husband. She didn't save my dad. Yeah. Correct. So this is already us at least somewhere down the line. Yeah. This isn't her father even. Right. Exactly. And then it talks about how she left with kids. What did she say? Her High school kids and then siblings in elementary? She she was in college. Her siblings were in high school and elementary school. Gotcha. It's a wide span of kids too. Yeah. It really is. So sweeping around the block a few times. Yeah. I was gonna say, don't think mom's just so, oh, god. This might be from different dudes. Yeah. I I think she she might be harboring a little bit of anger that that she didn't really have. It might have been for her siblings that some of the anger that she had was just basically, hey. You left them. I'm a fully functioning adult in college myself, but, you know, you left my my brothers and sisters and everything like that. But like we've been saying, it it's a perfect opportunity for her to to show the love of Christ to to her mother while

being able to guard her kids and not necessarily allow mom to move in and and live with her kids and everybody. Yeah. You know, and that's that's an interesting it's an interesting thought too because I think sometimes that that's oppression that's oppression issue in almost every circumstance because if you're going if you're gonna take the love of Christ to sinners and tax collectors, there's some risk by hanging around folks that are sinners and tax collectors. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. And the thing is is, like and you can look at it and say, you know, well, Christ wasn't tailing around a couple kids and a wife and that's true.

But but you there's always a balance of, like, how many you know, who do you let who can you get close to so you can share the gospel? But, like, you're taking a risk by letting them get close. I've I've heard I've heard numerous stories from from from people of faith who have, you know you know, allowed people to to be in their lives and and be around their kids. And and some and some bad stuff has come from that, you know. God Christ was shared with 50 people and one of them was a real scurve ball, you know, and and did something terrible. But the thing is is, you know, that's that's a risk that comes with opening your life to share the message of Christ is like, there's there's risk in that. And that that you're you're opening yourself up, you're potentially opening your family up and the people you know love and your life up to some to to people that are screwing. All sinners are screwed. It's gonna happen. Opening my friends that open their life up to me are bringing risk into their life that I could flip out and, like, totally drag on their life and interrupt their marriage and be difficult with their kids. And it's just a risk in being in people's lives, and it it's a it's a risk that we have to take. But, you know, it's also responsibility to have to to to protect those folks that we've been called the shepherd and protect Yep. Just like Christ would would lay in front of the gate for a sheep. And so it's it's always something where I think, you know, both of those are strong imperatives.

And and I think it's it's a it's little bit dangerous when we are willing to disregard for one for the other, but they are both still there. Like, there's still responsibility for both. You know, I turned any any hurt I may have had from my experience into a passion to make sure that would never happen in my marriage. Yeah. You know, she can turn this into positive. She knows what it feels like to have your mom run off and and and go with someone else. So she needs to make sure she never does that. Yeah. That that her her total commitment is to her family and to her children, to her to her husband. Yeah. And, absolutely, Annie, even through exposure of the grandmother to the grandkids, you know, she has a prime opportunity to rebuild the relationship with her mom. Yeah. Obviously, she's got some anger harbored and, you know, I Life's just that. But Yeah. At the same time, it's not worth it to to not have a relationship with your parents. Yeah. You know, I know that that some people have been in some seriously bad situations with parents. I know that there's some things that people are just too afraid to even mention with their parents. But at the same time, you know, you're a sinner too. You messed up just like they have. They're no worse than you are, no matter how hurt you are. You know, God had love and mercy on you for the just ridiculous, disgusting things you've done. You need to do the same for them, and she can take that that opportunity, rebuild the relationship with her parent with her mom, and at the same time, being able to rebuild the relationship between

her grandkid or her her kids and her mom, and then strengthening the the family in itself, and then, obviously, strengthen each and every one of them in their love love of Christ as well. So Yeah. So the the secular advice was, frankly, you'll save yourself a lot of grief if you just tell your mother you're not getting Skype and the reason why, and let her have her episode. As a parent, you have every right to insulate your children from anyone you feel might be a negative influence, and that includes their grandmother.

Secular advice says no grace. No grace. No grace. And you have every right to insulate your children from anyone you feel might be a negative influence. Throw at your television. Yes. I mean, like, don't let them out of the house. Yeah. Bury them in the basement. Everybody will be a negative influence. You will not have friends. As will you because you buried your kids in the basement. That's why I don't go to Kenya. I won't like you too much. Okay. Do you think that's why I don't go to Kenya? Don't know what you're talking about. Dear Life in the Path. I've been dating my this is a yeah. I've been dating my boyfriend for more than a year, and we are considering marriage. Q damn. I am 23 and have never been dissatisfied

with the way I look. The other day wait on it. The other day, he told my friend that when we get married and become financially stable, I should have filtered this one, he would pay for a boob job for me. I befriended, mostly because I don't want one, and I don't think I need one. Do you think this speaks to his character or lack thereof?

Yeah. If you want the the very short and sweet answer, absolutely. If he's been with you for over a year and the immediate thing that he wants to do when he is able to call you his is change you, I I don't necessarily

attribute that to a great guy. I would run to be a 100% honest. That's ridiculous. Yeah. As as a Christ follower who who is not married, I would say, first of all, how does he know if you need a boob job or not? Because he wouldn't know yet because you're not married. Right? No no one one can see your eyebrows on the radio today when I'm when I'm with you. Are you tracking with me here? But but it's a it's a shallow thing. He's obviously got some dissatisfaction.

They need to have an honest conversation to say if it's just a silly thing or if it's something he can really live with and say, here's the deal. I'm not doing it. You're either marrying me or, you know, this which what you see is what you get. This is ridiculous. This guy What you don't see is what you get. Right. Exactly. This guy, the he he's taking a daughter of God that he's wanting to to be in a relationship with. God created this woman exactly how she is. Mhmm. And he's immediately saying, hey, let's change stuff. Yeah. He's not seen her her beauty that is truly I don't care what you look like on the outside, the real beauty of a person is on the inside. Oh, for a second. I'm a pretty advocate here. Yeah. So so what if she had, like, a cleft palate? Yeah. And he's like, when we get married and we get financially stable, I'll pay to help you get that cleft palate repaired. Would you say,

this is God's daughter, and you're not take you're taking her house till God created her, and you want to change her? I would say, okay. So so if you're playing the advocate there, I I can see where where that would be an issue, not just because that's a physical attribute that I can't stand. If that's something that she wants to change and he wants to change and it's a personal confidence issue with her and it's just something that she absolutely wants to get done, you know, I don't see a problem with it. But at the same time, he is looking at this from a purely cosmetic standpoint. She is not embarrassed about it. She is not upset about it. She's not losing confidence. She commented on the fact that she has had self confidence in the past. He's just being a jerk and being a little boy and wants to change his toy that he's trying to marry. I guess I'm just trying to make sure what your distinction is. So is the is the problem, like, changing God's creation, or is the problem that she doesn't agree with it?

I think that the the biggest problem that I see is that he wants or excuse me, that she doesn't agree with it. It's not something that they both wanna do. It's just something that he's trying to change. Another problem is is he talked to the friend. That, I think, is the big one. Why are you talking to someone about something so personal? Yeah. And her friend, like, I assume it's a girl. Right? Yeah. I guess. I would think so. That that actually aside throw the throw the boob job aside. Right? I'm more concerned that, like, they would consider getting married and he's telling that kind of stuff to a friend of hers, he's not talking to her first, like, this that this catches her by surprise. That's he's gone. That that is not a that is is not a man to enter into a relationship with. He's first of all, he's not he's the the person that you share that kind of thing with is your significant other, not your significant other's friend. That you had to that that's how she found out about it was because her friend told her that he was talking to her about it. Like, that's that's across the board uncool. That's just not gonna work. Right. Yeah. That's not a healthy foundation of a relationship. Yeah. All all the arrows point to dump this guy as quick as humanly possible.

Yeah. Thanks a lot of character. Alright. Nate, did you have anything else? No. No. I'll pass on that. Okay. Here we go. Secular's advice. No. I think it speaks to the degree he assumes he can control or make choices for you. That he would say something like that to one of your friends without having discussed it with you is rather disconcerting. I don't blame you for being offended. Okay. So secular would generally agree. I I don't think it's as harsh as perhaps we would levy. I would say it's enough to check and be honest with you. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I agree. Major major red flags. Yep. Alright. Dear Life and the Path. Hey, now. I operate a small Internet radio station out of my house in Texas.

Texas, quote unquote. Oh, okay. Here we go. I play music twenty four seven except on Saturday nights when I usually do a live talk show. A topic I raise every year coincides with my birthday. I announce to all who are listening that I have designated this day as mind your own business day. On this day, my listeners are reminded that if they disapprove of someone's choice of mate, clothing, religion, favorite music, pets, and anything else that may be personal and nobody's business, to keep it to themselves. Would you be willing to mention this in your column and help me spread the word that while everyone has right to an opinion, it doesn't mean everyone should be forced to listen to it? Thanks in advance. Jim in Texas. That's kind of pathetic. No. Yeah. That is a little bit ridiculous. Nobody listens to my no one listens to my crappy internet radio show. I feel like my point is enough to be put onto some national chain.

You should help endorse me in that. Would you would you just let everyone know? Since they don't flock to us, to be honest? Yeah. Will you let them know that this is Jim in Texas and you should mind drumming this? I'm pretty irrelevant and Hey. Here's the thing. It doesn't mean everyone should be forced to listen to it. That's right. Turn off your radio. Stop hanging around people you disagree with. Don't watch the television. You don't have to listen to anything. Buy a set of headphones you don't like it. I don't I don't Some earplugs walking around all day. Here's the deal.

Here's what the sad part is, that Jim in Texas has the exact representation on the legitimized radio as we do. Right? Yeah. You just flip flip on the Internet and talk all you want to. That's us. My advice is to give you a job. Put ourselves above that guy. Get a real radio show. I I'm working on my write in just to see if we can figure out my mind your own business day. Alright. You're listening live from the path. If you're listening on ninety nine point three KTEA, I've got to let you go. Thanks for listening. We do appreciate it. Make sure to check out the website at livefromthepath.org. You can catch past clips from the show, full episodes, sign up for the podcast.

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That's why I don't go to Kenya. That's why I don't go to Kenya. Alright. Here. Hold on. We got we got some more advice. People people need help, boo. They really do. People still need their help. There's some messed up stuff going on in the world, and that's why we're here. We're an institution that's gonna give some them some advice. Okay. Here we go. How's everybody doing on the chat? You guys doing alright? Hey, sorry. Back to something we were talking about. So the the chat questions why, like, you can't really tell how large a lady is with clothes on? Not not if they're properly clothed. Modestly clothed. You think at year end, this man has no idea? Yeah. I was gonna say that might be It may be a hair naive, Dan.

Just a hair. I'm representing the Jesus side. Okay? Fair enough. I've been dating a nun for Which is radical. I've been dating a woman who wears a blanket A nun with a hoop skirt. So she has a burka. Alright. I've only ever seen her nose and her eyes. I think they're blue. Yeah. But it's dark. I'm not sure. And that still turns me on cause I don't get to see noses in our culture. Dear, life on the path. Boo, we don't laugh at that. You're not right. That's why I don't go to Kenya. I'm a 60 year old okay. Here go. I'm a 60 year old grandmother of eight wonderful grandchildren ranging in age from two to 24.

My question is about babysitting. Good. She came to the right place. Yes. I believe my children think we owe them babysitting duties. I don't mind babysitting once in a while when I feel like it, but I don't feel like it Wow. When the parents want to go out and party, or they tell me at the last minute, little Susie needs some grandma time, or they wanna go to the gym because they don't wanna give up the freedom they had before their children came along. What are your thoughts on boundaries for this generation of parents who want it all at the expense of my generation who back in the day, if a neighbor kid couldn't babysit, we just stayed home.

I know I should have some set rules at the beginning, but I'm starting to feel resentful of their expectations. Want some freedom too in Minnesota. What are your thoughts, fellas? Is And you look like you wanna weigh in on that one. This is in our hid house right here, boys. Answer it. Is is there a slap button? You're upset at grandma? Well,

that's no grandma. Okay. And I and I understand that, but at the same time, the the the parents could be seriously taking advantage of What can happen? You know, I don't I I can't imagine getting to the point where I have my grandchildren too much. I don't have any grandkids yet, but I I I've never, as a dad, ever resented, like, taking a day off and hanging with the kids or taking them to do I mean, they're my children.

You know, who I I I I crave the ability to be able to pass on my heritage to my grandkids. I hope I get to see them every single day. I don't get it. And so, yes, that's a good thing, but at the same time, it it depends on where her thoughts are with why she doesn't wanna take care of the kids. She's selfish. That could be it, but at the same time,

you know, these parents could be selfish as well, and they're shirking their responsibilities, parents. I wanna take advantage it. Yeah. And handing off these these kids. Give them to me. Maybe the grandma's just taking them from a standpoint of, hey, you know, you need to take care of your kids too. I understand that you want me to to babysit and things like that, but at the same time, you're the parent. You need to be spending more time than I am. The grandma used to live in the house. Ugh. Generation That's even worse. She used to be there all the time, and they would just leave the kids anyway. The the kids the poor kids probably thought grandma loved them. Who taught the parents how to parent? That's what I wanna know. I mean Oh, grandma. That's a grandma and Fingers back at grandma. And and what about, like, laying your life down for others, especially your grandkids? I have the am the kids. Three with Dan on this. I mean, I just I I see. I can't I can't see not wanting to spend time with my family. On minute. Let let me have a let me hop on the boob the booboo train for just a minute. So the question is though,

is is so you don't talk about laying down your life. Right? And so is it is it appropriate at the drop of the hat anytime they want someone to bring the kids by for you, but like, know, well, I was gonna go play bridge with my friend and other healthy relationships in my life that keep me sprightly and young. But no, I'm gonna stay home with Susie because my daughter wants to go to the gym. Well, is Is that unexpected? I think service can't just be when it's convenient to you. I think, like, true service comes when it's inconvenient and you have to, you know, really really give up some of the things that you want to really help out. I mean That seems very virtuous, Herrera, but here's deal. I was gonna say, don't wanna disagree with that at the same time. Wait. Hold on. So I'm gonna need you to make me a peanut butter and jelly sandwich

once an hour for the next, I don't know, three months every day. Is that because I'm Latino? That's definitely That's why. I thought peanut butter and jelly. Yes. You know, and and you know what I'm saying? Like like Yeah. The point is is, like, I I could I could be asking something that's ridiculous. That is it's it's simply it's not even a matter of service. It's just, you know, I'm I'm completely infringing upon your time for no other reason except for you'll allow it. Yeah. Yeah. I think that we

can't focus on what everyone else is doing. We can only focus on our part in the situation. And I think I think you can have a conversation with the parents and say, hey, this is this is partially your responsibility, and and I need a break. But still, mean, it's your grandkids. Yeah. It's it's your grandkids. I mean, it's they're supposed to be a blessing. And when we start treating them like a burden, that kinda

that can kinda that can kinda be worrisome. I I agree at the same point, but I don't think she's trying to treat treat it as a burden. I don't think she she's saying that she would loves to take care of the grandkids, but I think I can't imagine that she's not taking this from a standpoint that the parents are getting way too excessive. Yes, spending time with your grandparent or grandkids every day would be awesome, Dan, but at the same time, if it's being spent with, you know, one of your kids dropping their kids off every single day, so they can go to the gym at 03:30 every day, they come back at 09:30, said, hey, we got stuck going out to dinner. Thanks for taking care of the kids. Can they crash here tonight? Is that okay? Well, yeah, They're my grandkids. Next day rolls around, well, got Jim again today, Dan. Is it okay if you take them? Well, yeah. Sure. They're my grandkids. I can take them every day. I think that she is being taken advantage of. I think she does have a heart for her grandkids and does love them, but at the same time, doesn't want it to be just she's a dropping point

her grandkids. If it's getting difficult, you just load them up with Mountain Dew and Twinkies right before mom picks them up, and and pretty soon they'll stop. So just get back at the at the parents, Yeah. I think I think They're like, you drop them off here again. Taste this Mountain Dew. I think with the partying, I mean, it's like they so the parents are going out and partying. Do you want them to take the kids with them or I mean, if you're the conversation, it's like, be that positive example that maybe the parents aren't being. Maybe they maybe what do they care? Go out and party. Have a good time. What do you here's the deal. Because my mom will do that all the time. Hey, me and me and the lady wanna go out and have a good time. And it's it's weird to take the kids to the restaurant.

Can you watch the kids tonight so we can go watch a movie and party? Have a good time? And my mom's like, thumbs up. Yeah. Absolutely. And I think right. And and I think that's okay. That's that's alright to do if you need to get away and you need to do your your date night once every two weeks or a month or whatever, but I I feel like if if I'm interpreting this right, that it's way more excessive. She she didn't she didn't say. She didn't say. You That's right. But that's what I'm I'm pulling from it, is it seems like it's being way too excessive. I don't think she's she's making this comment because, you know, mom and dad drop their kids off once every two weeks. I I think she's got the wrong heart for it. Actually, I I'm besides the fact that he's not gonna make me them sandwiches because he's not as pious as he believes he is, I I think Herrera's right on this thing. Because it look look at how she describes it. Right? I don't mind babysitting once in while when I feel like it. Yeah. She's really you know, she's like, you know, I will do it because it brings me joy. Yeah. I'm really not I'm not willing to serve you. I just you know, if if it's okay with me, then I'll do it. And I'm not okay. Fair enough. I I suppose that's true. But at the same Are you trying to date an old woman? Why are talking like this? I just I I think that this could very easily be be put in the light of the the grandma just being a jerk, but at the same time, it could very easily be the parents just taking full advantage of this opportunity. I I think so I think It could be one or the other. There's I think there's resentment in the grandma because she says things well, first of all, little Susie needs some grandma time. Grandma knows that she's being pushed over when you say stuff like that. We say, I don't feel like it when the parents wanna go out and party or they tell me at the last minute or they wanna go to the gym because they don't wanna give up the freedom they had before their children came along. There is there seems to be a little bit of resentment in it, Sarah. It's like, I didn't get to act that way when I was younger. My kids shouldn't be able to act that way either. But here's the deal. It was like, if the situation's changed and grandma's around to watch kids, I don't know why you wouldn't want your kids to have it all. If they if they can go out and party every once in while, they can go to the gym, and they could do those things and still have kids and still have a life, wouldn't you as the parent want that want that for your kids? I'll do what I can to help them have it all. That's what I want. I want my kids to have it all.

Yeah. But I I Yeah. But I think the parents could very easily be just shirking their responsibility to his parents. I think it really could go either way. It could be the grandmother being a jerk and not wanting to spend any time with her grandkids just because she didn't have that as as a luxury when she was, you know, growing up or being a parent of these kids now. But I think it could also very easily be just two self centered jerks that ended up having kids that want to live the single life still and want to live the life they had before kids. And again, I agree with her. It's ultimately grandma's fault. She's produced these children. And good advice, by the way. Either one of you could be right.

Live long and prosper. Yes. Exactly. Wisdom all around. I I would honestly say they need to sit down and have a conversation and figure out what it is. If the kids are taking advantage of the grandmother, I don't think that the grandmother should just have to be being walked all over. That's not the concept. We're not called to be walked all over. You know, God doesn't call us to just serve everybody just for the sake of them needing or wanting it. We need to discern what's an actual need, figure out how we can really glorify Christ through how we're serving people, and then that's the service that we do. We don't give $10 to everybody who comes around saying, hey, I wanna go get a cake real quick just because I'm really hungry for some sweets. You're at church, you're supposed to serve me. Can I get $10? We're supposed to discern what we're supposed to be doing with our service.

I think if what we're doing is letting these parents go footloose and fancy free, go party, go to the gym, and just What's being the characterization of these people? It's like very inflated.

Yes. And I'm sure it is. They're always hitting the disco and You know? They go parties, they go to clubbing and drink, like, a case of Red Bull every night. No. I I I think that it could it could very easily be a place where the grandmother needs to discern where she's gonna stand. And I would say that's problematic. I so I largely, I agree with the last part of what you said. I think there is a degree of discernment and they should be talking about it. That I can agree with. Otherwise, I don't know why you're on this granny boat. We've got some old lady that makes you I really just I really yeah. Exactly. I really just want this to be this cliche grandmother that has a country apple pie sitting on the the windowsill every single day. Since you're making cookies anyway, can the kids come over? Yeah. Exactly. Here we go. Secular advice. There is truth to the saying that good fences make good neighbors and the philosophy applies to many circumstances. Setting clear boundaries makes for healthier relationships.

Keep in mind that many grandparents would love to have your problem. But as you stated, your problem was in not setting ground rules from the beginning and raising punk child selfless children. Because you feel resentful, it's time to have a frank talk with your children and say that as much as the grandkids may need grandma time, grandma also needs grandma time. And when you do, be firm, because unless you stand your ground, nothing will change. Grandma has all day long. What are your thoughts on that, Buga? That grandma has all day long just because she's retired. She just spent every minute with the grandkids. She could play crusade by herself later. I am very glad that that we have the notion that grandparents should spend time with the grandkids, and I agree with that entirely. Not once have I disagreed. Like I said, I think it could be very easily that the the parents are just taking advantage of grandma. Oh, you can make those sandwiches for me, Herrera? Is that gonna happen or what? Yeah. Can I get one of those sandwiches? No. Hey. No. Hey. There's not enough Here's both of I want PB and J.

I'm gonna have some and I go home. Dear life of the past. Here we go. Final one. I'm 62 years old and a widower. My wife passed away in July 2011. Good. This is right up our head house too, boy. It has taken me a while to get over losing her. I realized how much she did for me as I've been learning how to be a house husband without a wife. My wife told me this was first house she lived in that had a dishwasher. She was so proud of it. I could never understand why she would wash the dishes before putting them into the dishwasher. Now I have to do it myself. I understand why. My question is, is there a detergent that will actually clean the dishes? Also, do you have any cute readers who would like to teach an old man how to clean house

fending for himself? Boova. Please tell me that you just made up the ending of that. No. No. No. He seriously wants to reach columnist to figure out if there's a good detergent. If there's a detergent, please. And then also He's really looking for a new wife. Yeah. Exactly. No. The dude doesn't care about the detergent. He just thought that'd be funny to go along with, hey, do you have any cute readers who might wanna come take care of me? Here's the deal. I'm a pansy of a man. Do you wanna come do my laundry? That's pervy.

It's pretty pervy to write to Dear Abby, ask about detergents, right, and then ask for a woman. The dude's a creep. Yeah. Like I could do this myself or if you could send a lady over. Hey. And and and you notice, it wasn't like his deep love for his wife. It's all the things she did for me. Exactly. I missed the fact that I didn't have to do dishes at one I realized how much she did for me. I really miss the way she did dishes and cooked for me. It took how many years of marriage that they had together for complete granted,

did not No. That's ridiculous. This guy's a joke of a man. He's looking for a He's looking for a maid is what he's looking for. He's lonely and wants someone to come and do his dishes. Do you guys happen to actually know the detergent that I was just thinking of clean? If we have an answer to that question Cascade works pretty well. Cascade works pretty well? Yeah. Yeah. Should we contact them for some product placement? Alright. Cascade works too, but this guy's a creeper. Yeah. I don't know what's worse, this or those Craigslist ads. That's true. For what? For detergent? For dating. For dating. Yeah. I'm not aware of those, boys. I go searching the Craigslist for ladies. Yes. That's yeah. Yep. That's where we're coming from. I apologize.

Yep. That was just all from personal experience. I've got an older one that said, hey. So can you Can you read the last sentence? What did he say again? Also, do you have any cute readers who would like to teach an old man how to clean house? He did not specify ladies. She should send a hot dude over there. I'm here. I'm a pool boy and I do dishes. Dishes. Oh, we're making it even creepier. We are making it worse. At least he said to teach him how, not to do them for him. So maybe he wants to learn. No. What's reaching out. And he only learns from cute ladies? And he only learns from cute ladies. Or fellas. Or fellas, dude. I think context moves. Just people who can read, who are cute.

But I just I'm imagining this creepy old dude that's just saying, hey, you wanna come over and teach me how to do dishes? Okay. Here's here's what we were supposed to be giving him advice. Here's my advice to you, sir. YouTube is filled with videos on how to do about everything. I'll bet you there are YouTube videos on how to do dishes. And I bet they have cute people doing them as well. Could be. Or they might even just show the hands, and that way you're not distracted. You know? Yeah. Yeah. That's true. With whatever else he's looking for, he can learn how to do dishes. Yeah. I I think you're doing just

you'll be able to do them on And and I recommend that you go to the store and and buy a series of different dishwashing, detergents and find which one works best for you. Pick your personal best. Yeah. Go on Google and look up product reviews. Yeah. This oh, man. I'm just weirded out by this guy. Okay. So our basic advice is no. We will not send anybody to your place. You do. And b, do what everyone else does and try one until you find one that works well. Or you know what? Switch to paper. He's an old man living in his house. Alright? Screw the environment. It screwed you.

And and, you know, pick up some paper plates. It took your wife. Give it right back. It's taking its vengeance upon you. Get some paper plates, but eat out of the pan or the can or whatever it is you wake and, just live your life. No. Because then he's gonna have a dirty place for all these these cute people to come over and help him with his dishes. There are all kinds of YouTube videos on how to wash dishes. Get some rubber gloves according to this. Did you just YouTube doing dishes? It's awesome.

It's ridiculous. This guy's creepy. Alright. Alright. Is that it? Yeah. What was what was secular's advice? Secular's advice. Here we go. I'm sorry. I can't print your name or location because if I did, you might be crushed in the stampede. Oh, yeah. Isn't that not the most sexist thing you've ever heard of me? I love it. There's a bunch of ladies waiting for the newspaper. I hope some kind of old creeper asks someone to help him with his dishes. I really hope I can go over to someone's house and take care of the dishes for them. Maybe an old 61 year old widower. Who could, like, perv at me while I'm trying to help him out? Who can watch me do his dishes, you creepy man. Yeah. There's grace for that. Good luck, fellas. Exactly.

Skype the man, see what happens. There you go. This is how you do dishes, sir. That's why I don't go to Kenya. That's why I don't go to Kenya. Alright. I'm sorry, Kent, but you might be crushing this tip, Pete. If you and your late wife were married twenty or thirty years and the dishwasher was already installed in the house when you moved in, it is now practically an antique because you've tried several brands of detergent and your dishes aren't getting cleaned, you probably need a new dishwasher. And I do not mean a cute young one. You probably need a new I don't know. That's that's this gotta be dangerous giving advice that far away from someone. It's like you just told an old man to go buy a new dishwasher. Right. He's probably a pensioner. He don't have much money. He's gonna go drop $450

on, like, a new whirlpool. What really, what he just needs to, like, buy a I'm sorry. At 61, maybe he's I I don't know. I I think he should be able to do his own You know, if he had the grandkids over more often, they could do If he wasn't such a jerk with his grandkids, he should probably have them come over and do dishes. I don't know what made you such a hard callous man, Moova. I just feel like that grandma was taking advantage of. But you know I feel like she is a sweet southern belle that puts out country apple pie and and is like really nice and has the high voice and it's just wonderful. You're listening live from Thanks for hanging out. You can catch us live show every Monday night at 10PM on live from the thepath.org or Saturdays at 07:00 on ninety nine point three KTIA. Make sure you check out the website. Hey. Shoot us an email. You got you need some advice? I mean, if you need legitimate advice, don't ask somebody else. But but if if you have some, like, fake sign advice or illegitimate problems, we're the guy. Send an info at live from path dot org. Also, we'd love to pray for you. You got anything you want us to pray about, shoot us an email. We'd love to be doing that for you. You can you can try to hide your name, but we'll have the email address. You might as be upfront with it. We might even rebuke your new face because we love you. Have a nice week. Thanks for listening to Live from the back.