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Live From The Path · Season 2014, Episode 40

50 Things the Holy Spirit Does

Recorded · 1:23:34 · 18,379 words transcribed

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Topics covered

Segments

  • Show open, 1 Thessalonians 1:7 gag, letter teasers 0:00–2:19
    The hosts open from the Pathway Studios in Johnston, joking that 1 Thessalonians 1:7 gets thrown at anyone misbehaving, including a 'Fred from Macedonia' caller gag riffing on the verse. They tease the night's Dear LFTP letters: a restitution question and a 'Pope-style' advice request. A host is briefly addressed as Ben and another as Mike.
  • '50 things the Holy Spirit does' article, part 1 2:19–3:17
    A host describes a Christian Post article titled '50 things the Holy Spirit does,' a guest post by Frank Viola excerpting his book Jesus Now. The hosts joke about whether the Spirit does 50 things or 51, and mock the author's too-close headshot. They begin reading the list of verses quoted out of context.
  • Facebook denomination quiz and Lutheran convention 3:18–5:22
    Tangent on a Facebook quiz ('what denomination should you be') on which nearly everyone scored hardcore Lutheran. A host tells of working an event at a center during a Lutheran convention where nobody would talk to him. The others confirm they were all scored Lutheran too.
  • Holy Spirit list part 2, Romans 8:11 'quicken' 5:23–8:57
    The hosts return to the list and debate whether fifty verses quoted out of context can say anything meaningful, joking about a repackaged-Bible book deal ('Boova Reads First Thessalonians'). They land on item 20, Romans 8:11, and work through the archaic 'quicken' (to revive, restore life to). They conclude the list is biblically sound but presented without context.
  • 'Pope-style' advice on stagnant faith 8:58–13:33
    A host delivers the requested 'Pope-style' advice after the others tease him about people mistaking him for the Pope and ask for a preview. He describes hitting a wall in his faith after a year of growth, realizing he had been blaming God while he himself had stopped praying and reading scripture consistently. His verdict: if your faith isn't growing, it's not God's fault — you stopped allowing God to work in you.
  • Works vs relationship: balance and the homeless shelter 13:33–27:42
    The hosts riff on the testimony into a long discussion of balance: becoming cloistered monks versus burning out in outward works. One frames the alternative as 'check-in/check-out' Christianity versus 'kingdom partnering' — going with Jesus on kingdom work rather than running errands and reporting back. Another host tells of a harsh encounter with a jaded staffer at a local Christian homeless shelter, arguing you cannot sustain the Lord's work without Jesus and that moral checklists without relationship leave you empty.
  • Kentucky, KFC, and the Arby's roast-beef rumor 27:43–29:31
    Comic palate-cleanser: whether Kentucky Fried Chicken is better in Kentucky (a host's daughter investigated during college there). A host admits he has repeated for ten to twelve years the story that Arby's roast beef arrives as a gelatinous liquid that firms up in an oven, without knowing if it is true, and vows to verify it.
  • 'What did Jesus mean?' — your faith has healed you 29:32–52:35
    Dave Herrick, named on-air, leads the hard-question segment: Jesus repeatedly said 'your faith has healed you' (Greek sozo, also rendered 'saved you') — to the sinful woman who anointed his feet, the woman healed of bleeding who touched his garment, one of ten lepers who returned, and a blind man — so why is faith healing treated as fringe in mainstream churches? The hosts discuss self-styled healers who blamed a child with cerebral palsy for lacking faith, the apostles' violent deaths, the pool of Bethesda where not everyone was healed, and whether praying in absolute faith is honest when God may say no. A shared video of a Syrian Christian family preparing their children to die for their faith reframes faith as seeking God's perspective rather than demanding his compliance.
  • Radio break and sponsor shout-outs 52:37–53:37
    Mid-show break: listeners are invited to email [email protected], and Truth Network 99.3 FM radio listeners are signed off while the podcast continues. Shout-outs go to Bob Eisenlauer (vote in the CityView best-realtor survey) and Westfield Vet Hospital.
  • Puzzle without a box: the God-sized piece 53:48–56:13
    Post-break wrap on the hard question: knowing the Bible is accurate is like assembling a puzzle without the box — every piece is real and fits together, but one God-sized piece seems to fit everywhere. A host lands on 'Can God heal me? Yes. Will he? I don't know,' arguing that demanding God reproduce his acts on command (like parting seas instead of building bridges) boils the Lord down to a traveling roadshow.
  • Dear LFTP: fired for chronic tardiness 56:14–59:44
    A listener fired for chronic tardiness after four years asks whether to disclose it on job applications or only if it comes up in interviews, noting his mother thinks he should disclose. The hosts advise waiting for the interview and being honest when asked, but not leading with it on paper — you have discretion over what you share. Secular's advice concurs: leave it off the application, explain it in the interview.
  • Dear LFTP: shoplifting, gift cards, and restitution 59:45–1:14:02
    A listener who shoplifted from a major corporation and returned goods for gift cards asks whether to confess in order to make restitution. The hosts debate owning it versus the practicality — there is no human victim at a corporation, and a store manager would likely just call the police — and land on praying it through with the Holy Spirit and being open to the consequences, whatever management can or cannot do with a confession. Tangents include belated apologies sent by Facebook message, a stolen piece of work equipment replaced with a new one and returned, and a six-hour call-center career ended by a 'press 7' joke. Secular's advice: what's in the past is in the past; leave it be.
  • Dear LFTP: introducing the biological father 1:14:03–1:22:59
    A 26-year-old mother asks whether to introduce her 2-year-old son Sean to his biological father ('Charlie') now or wait until he is older; the boy knows her husband as Daddy. The hosts are unanimous: tell the truth now in words he can understand — children can hold two dads, and waiting only builds a social construct to unlearn later. Tangents: a coworker calling his beer 'daddy's milk' for his daughter, and a childhood divorced-kids group with a puppet dolphin. Secular's advice (wait a year or two) is called the worst advice ever.
  • Closing sign-off 1:23:01–1:23:27
    Sign-off: complaints to [email protected], a joke that past iterations of the show don't get any better, and thanks for listening.

Bible references

  • 1 Thessalonians 1:7

    so that you become examples to all believers in Macedonia and Achaia.

  • Romans 8:11

    if the spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his spirit who dwells in you.

  • Romans 8:15

    The spirit cries in our hearts, Abba Father.

  • Luke 7:50

    woman, your your faith has healed you.

  • Mark 5:34

    your faith has healed you.

  • Luke 17:19

    your faith has healed you.

  • Mark 10:52

    your faith has healed you.

  • Mark 2:5

    it was actually their faith that healed this leper who came through the roof.

  • John 5:2

    Is it Bethesda Bethsaida the pool where they could… the guy is always in the pool quicker.

  • Matthew 5

    especially especially in Matthew five

  • Matthew 28:19-20

    It's it's it's the as you go part of the great commission

Key questions

  • Why has my faith stopped growing — is it God who stopped working, or is it me? (host-framed)
  • What did Jesus mean by 'your faith has healed you' (Greek sozo), and how should Christ followers live those passages out today? (hard-question)
  • After being fired for chronic tardiness, should I disclose it on job applications or only if it comes up in interviews? (dear-lftp)
  • Is it wise to confess past shoplifting to a corporation in order to make restitution? (dear-lftp)
  • Should I introduce my 2-year-old's biological father into his life now, or wait until he is older? (dear-lftp)

People

  • Guest: Dave Herrick
    Named on-air to lead the recurring 'What did Jesus mean?' hard-question segment
  • Frank Viola
  • Bob Eisenlauer
  • Charlie (letter-writer's pseudonym)
  • Sean

Full transcript

Live from the Pathway Studios in Johnston proper. You are live from the Path. And you're listening to live from the path.

Coming from the Pathway Studios here in Johnston proper. First Thessalonians one seven, Ben. What is that? Live it. Tell me what it is. I'm not sure. But, yeah, every time I'm doing something I shouldn't, somebody comes out and throws a verse at me. And I'm not sure what it is normally. Wait. Was that directed to me then? Am I am I malbehaving? I don't know. First Thessalonians one seven was straight down, though. Did anybody did look it up? Here it comes. What I'm working on. Okay. Alright. Hey. Anyway, you're listening to Life from the Path. Here's where got going on the show tonight. We got we got some Dear Life from the Path. People need advice, Mike. Yeah. Here's the deal. A guy has,

he he lived a life of, crazy ways, and he's kinda straightened himself out. And he's trying to decide at what level of restitution. Like, he's he's he's done some stuff. And he's trying to figure out, like, at what level he can achieve restitution. Okay. Okay. Buva got some Pope style. Just a real hit on the Pope style advice. Someone has mistaken Buva for the Pope. Say that? In order for them, people to stop gathering on his lawn, he has to walk out on the balcony like people do, except for this is his front porch. And he has to say something pope like that is otherwise relevant to his life, so that people will be happy and go away. Buba, can you give me a preview on the pope style? Yeah.

If you're if you're lacking growth in your faith, it's not God's fault. Why are we laughing at Mubah? I don't know. First Thessalonians one seven definitely applies to you. Yeah. It's it's interesting. Go ahead. Whoop it out, Eric. So that you become examples to all believers in Macedonia and Achaia. Yeah. I thought you said first Thessalonians one eight. No. One seven. And here's One the seven. Okay. I've had phone calls from both the Achaeans and the Macedonians this week about misbehavior. It's fitting how the Lord has brought this to your church. Someone about it. He says, hi, I'm Fred from Macedonia. I say, really? He says, yeah. Can't You you can't ignore the Holy Spirit. Hey, man. There was a there was an article on the Christian Post this week. And I didn't read it, because I I wanted to click it. But for some reason, I thought, I don't wanna click that. And I can't figure out why, but it's the the article's called 50 things the Holy Spirit does. Oh, no. 50

things? Shoot. That seems first I thought, that's a lot and I thought, what's kind of a box? That's that's what I was thinking. Like, maybe he does 51. What's it to you, man? Are they ranked in order of prevalence or I didn't click on it. Oh, I feel like that's a very scary list to make. That's a mixed up for you. You're kind of a sucker for lists. I know. I'm like, hey, man. I wonder what number 27 is. Discernment. And and here's one of the reasons I didn't click on it is because the guy has like a a picture of himself, like an artist type of thing. Know, like, he's in a suit, but his head is taken up most of the frame, and it's too close to the picture. And, yeah, yeah. It just looked real stuffy. Shoot. I clicked it now that we're talking about it. You know, and and I Speaking

of scandalous things to click on on Facebook, I clicked on a quiz that was what religion are you this week? What denomination you should you should be in? You know? And I thought, well, this is interesting because I pretty much just go to a non denominational, well, whatever, bible church, you know? We follow Jesus here. And it turns out that I'm a hardcore Lutheran. And I thought, well, in what way did I answer these questions? Lutheran, like, don't even know the difference, you know. And some of the questions boxed me in where I couldn't answer something correctly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like none of those represent me. We we went through it. My wife and I, my family, we were eating supper or something. Don't know. And we we answered everything incorrectly by our standards.

And and it said we should be like an Anglican or something. And I thought, oh. Oh. I've never heard What do their t shirts look like? I don't know. Evidently, not us. Yeah. No. England. What's an Anglican? I've never even heard of that before. Church of England. Oh, okay. Well, fair enough. I was also a Lutheran. I was Lutheran. In fact, think everybody was Lutheran but Dan. Yeah.

Come on, Dan. Dan's like, I will I know that I make excuses for myself. If I knew why you were different, I would yell at you for it. And that that's that's why you started answering different questions because my wife and and daughter were both Lutheran. And I was evangelical. And I'm going like, well, I don't know what answered this one differently. I suspect that that particular page would take all the extremists and throw it down to into somewhere else. But everyone else, it's like, if you're even within 95% of the population, go to the Lutheran church. Not at all supported by the Lutheran church. Exactly. I feel like there may be one answer on the whole quiz that throws you off and then the rest of it is all just Lutheran. Yeah yeah.

It's weird because I was having to do in some work for my regular job at at an event center and there was a Lutheran whatever convention going on, you know? And I thought, hey, man, people of Jesus, sweet, you know? So I was doing my work and I was walking through this convention. I'm like, hey, how's it going? Hey, buddy. And like, nobody talked to me. And I'm like, hey, Lutherans. You know, I love Jesus. Can't we talk just because I'm wearing this uniform. We can't be friends. But, yeah, I didn't make one buddy that day and I was really trying. I was schmoozing it out there. Okay. Sorry. So I'm looking at this list.

Really? Alright. Tell us 50 things about the Holy Spirit. Okay. So so here it is. So okay. This is way overdone. So it's a guest post by Frank Viola from his excerpt from his book, Jesus Now Unveiling the Present Day Ministry of Christ. And basically, it's 50 verses that reference the Holy Spirit. Okay. And I feel like the Bible already published that, and your book is unnecessary. Hey, man. At least it's biblically sound. It's, the spirit cries in our hearts, Abba Father. The spirit enables us to wait. The spirit supplies us with Christ. The spirit grants everlasting life. The spirit gives us access to God the father. The spirit makes us corporately God's habitation. So it's 50 verses about the Holy Spirit taken out of context and just dropped in front of you for

what? It is Yeah. What does Christ in our heart Abba Father mean? Yeah. Yeah. You're confusing boob. This is this is a Like, I I know we're yeah. It's that's confusing me. Out of context, that makes no sense to me. Like, that that's physically something it does. Why? Because the spirit offers us a

spirit or identity as sons. We're adopted children instead of being slaves. I probably could have gotten that out of the context. If not, I would have asked somebody. But from that list, I did not get that. Right. I'm just saying, if you're gonna guest post Boy, gotten it. If you're gonna guest post somewhere about your upcoming novel and all you're gonna do is copy a verse of time out to Bible and then put it under your name, I feel that's shifty. You had to come up with something creative like, you know, omelettes to order or something, you know. I mean, I mean, I can look yeah, you're right. Can look up holy spirit. Did you say I'm sorry, what was your example? Omelettes to order? Well, sure. That'd weren't that cool? The holy spirit just made omelettes. Hey, I'd like some tomatoes and ham. Yeah. He'd say what kind of omelet you want and I'd say, and he'd go, I already know. This is what makes you an evangelical, Dan. Here's Things like this right here. The Lutheran The book of Daniel. The Lutheran's gonna Denver omen. That's it.

It's be different if you're gonna sell a book. I'm gonna publish a book called Buva Reads First Thessalonians. And then just do First Thessalonians. That's it. Word for word copied. Buva Reads First Thessalonians. Autograph. Bet I have 65 other books that I could do. You could put, like, stars by words and be like, emphasis by Buva.

Buva really likes this word. I don't think anyone wants the Buva commentary on the bible. Okay. Hold on a second. So now I'm interested. So number Thank number 20 is the spirit quickens our mortal bodies from Romans eight eleven. Romans eight eleven is, if the spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his spirit who dwells in you. Wait. Wait a minute. So it quickens our mortal bodies. So I I'm taking one or two things from that. Either I'm slow right now Yeah. I would be really slow without the Holy Spirit. Well, it's talking more about like sin and forgiveness.

You have life in Christ, you're dead in sin. Where do you get that from quickens our mortal mortal body? This is why we go to church. That's I read that stuff and I go Yeah. What? What? Say what? How you're quickens our mortal body. I'm thinking that I'm good, like Well, your body is dead because of sin. Here's the deal. Verb used with object quicken, number three entry in dictionary.com is to revive, restore life to. The spring rains quickened to the earth. It's an archaic use of of quick. Hey. I did not know that. He's an author of the muscles created He is an author. He does these things. He knows He's gonna be outdone by Buva does first and second Thessalonians. I still like the omelettes. Denver omelettes. I Dan's got this. Alright. What's what's going on in life?

Who about hit me with your pope style? Hey, man. I wasn't expecting to call me out like that. Yeah. No. I appreciate it. I'm ready for it. The quickest with your pope style. The pope's got a Holy Spirit's got a quicker me in this situation. Alright. So

my post style has a lot to do. Like like I said, if your faith isn't growing, don't blink God. So in my life recently, I've kinda hit a wall where

I feel like I've been growing a lot within the last year, year and a half, and I'm really really taking stands in my faith, and I'm really trying to live out the the works and the acts of the kingdom that that I'm I'm reading about and I'm learning about from from Jesus and and what that looks like. And I I've kinda hit a wall, and I don't know where it's been coming from, and I can't figure out what's going wrong. And for the last couple weeks, admittedly, I've been kinda praying to God like, hey, what's going on? Like, why why is my faith being stopped right here? Why am I not growing in acts of faith and is and in works? And why is change not happening more in my life? And why do I feel like that

fun word we throw around the whole sanctification, like me being pulled more into the spirit? I just why do I feel like that's stopping? And I've legitimately been praying that of, you know, God, what is it that that's happening that's that's making you stop working in me? And within the last week, I kinda got a slap from from God and from reality. It's not God that stopped working in me. It's me that's stopped allowing God to work in me.

And I'm recognizing things that I'm doing that I'm not growing my faith in because I'm not making acts. And I'm not working. And I'm not I'm not actually making decisions to to do more for God. And and I feel like I've I've talked to a couple people, and I've I've heard stories about this a lot where people will stop in their tracks, and they'll think that their faith isn't growing, and they'll blame God for that. And I've been in that for the last couple weeks. So realized that I do have some some outward works that I'm doing, and I'm, you know, I'm not trying to list off all the stuff that I do because that's not what this is about. But I'm not working on my relationship with God as much as I have been in the past. And I'm spending a lot more time focusing on the other stuff that I'm doing outward,

but to the detriment of my personal relationship with God. And I I recognize that I haven't been reading my Bible consistently, and I haven't been praying with God consistently, and I haven't been trying to grow my faith just between me and God. You know, I've been trying to do all these these different stuff that that's helping other people, and I know that I'm not gonna stop that, but it's not enough for me to just have a relationship with people. And it's not enough for me to just do the outward works with people if I'm not growing my own faith. And if I'm not working on my own relationship with God, I'm not gonna move. I'm not gonna go anywhere. And

this this first first couple days this week, I've actually started out by by really trying to dive into to what my relationship means to me with God. Not just through works, but what my actual relationship with God is. My prayer life, my bible reading, how much time I'm spending just listening to what he's doing, praising him in worship, just all these different stuff that I can do to to strengthen my specific relationship with him. And it's been days, and I've already seen improvement. And I already have a closeness with God that I haven't had in in months. Yeah. And it's it's been amazing to to really

so, you know, my my works are are not perfect, but I'm getting better and better. But I'm not doing anything in my own personal life, and changing that up has done nothing but positive things for my relationship with God. I feel closer. I feel like holy spirit's really living inside of me right now and quickening me. But and and it's an amazing feeling. So my my post out to you is is if you feel like your faith isn't growing, and if you feel like you're not growing in the spirit and and in all this different stuff, don't just look at God and say, what are you doing wrong? Because that's not it. It's not God's changed something, and it's not God stopped working in you. It's you stopped allowing God to work in you by your part.

There's a good chance that you could recognize some things that you're doing or not doing that are stopping that relationship growing. So look inward to figure out what's wrong that you're doing. Why are you drinking up the milk and not eating the steak? Like, what's going on? What are you doing that's not furthering your relationship in your own personal life? Is isn't it funny how how awful we are at balance in our spiritual walks? Yeah. We'll either become monks and do nothing but read and pray and don't talk to anyone, you know, in a closet or we sleep at the homeless night after night. You know, it's like how about we balance

things out, our works and and our faith and our actions and our and our spiritual disciplines and be consistent. Yeah. Every reaction I've ever heard to some sort of shift in the I don't know if you wanna think it, the Christian landscape

always has to do with imbalance. Right? They're always complaining, well, those guys are crazy. They're doing this, but they're not doing this. And then the other guy's like, well, those guys are nuts because they're doing this, but they're they're not doing this. Or I'm afraid that this movement is gonna do the x y z. And all it ever is, is like people doing things that otherwise the Bible would would cover. Yeah. That would be part of your Christian life. It's just you you you bought into one thing because it made you feel a certain way or because you feel like it vindicated something or you felt there was value in it. And and you you put it above everything else. You held it higher than the basic nature of the relationship that you have with God, and and your life became out of balance. That's a that's a fail point of every single one of them. There's there's there's plenty of positive movements that Christianity has done where people got together and say, this is a good thing. We're just gonna study the Bible all day. And and we're gonna go sleep with the homeless. And and and and neither of those things are bad on their own. They're both positive things. What what what tends to happen though is we call the death of something because people decide they they get caught up in one thing and they don't live in a full relationship with God. They just grab onto one thing and, like, twist in the wind with it. And and it ultimately, if you're not in that in in the full counsel of God's word and you're not in a in a consistent relationship with him in that way,

it it will leave you empty. Right? Because you you you separated whatever is that you're doing from the God that that pointed you to it. And you you separated from, you know, what you're saying to people from the reality of living it. And so it ultimately becomes a shallow thing at times, when you start separating those things from your relationship with Christ. And and the thing is is, like, what what disappoints me though, is that is I do see a lot of kind of Christian punditry that then says, like, declares the death of the guy that's doing the work, because he said, well, I think that's gonna get out of balance. You know what happens? That gets out of balance. Yeah. And and then nobody ends up doing anything. We we we sit in like a stasis, a a very normative way of thinking that says, oh, someone else will do radical work. We'll sit here on our butt and kinda be in the middle and make sure that people stay in line. And it's like a bunch of Christian bouncers to make sure that, like, no one's jumping too far outside the wheel because it might fall flat on its face. Because you know what happens when people over commit to things. And I'm not saying it's not a risk. I'm just saying, like, I I see a lot more of the risk, is the stasis holder, the guy that wants to hold down normal and make sure people aren't getting too far from it. You know, I was talking to a lady that talked to

a local homeless shelter here and it was a Jesus tagged organization as if it was a Christian organization. And anyway, we've had some interaction with a fellow that that stays at that shelter and we were asking, what kind of programs they had there, know. Because we didn't want to interfere and you know, and and and since they're, you know, they they proclaim the gospel according to their name or whatever, know, we're like, you know, we're not in the business of stealing folks. Know, we just wanna make sure that if they're being fed, they're being fed. If not, we'd like to help them.

And the guy's reaction to that inquiry was extremely harsh. And like, you're you're you're being fooled. The the the the people that you're talking about are are manipulating

you and they're nothing but alcoholics and this and this and they've been this way their whole life and they've treated our staff this way and whatever. And like, we've seen nothing but a change in an individual over the last, say, month and a half out of this fellow, you know. And I thought, you know, like his reaction was was almost a a perfect example of what you're talking about because you're doing a very good thing. You're running a shelter for people that don't have a home. You're giving an option to be around community. All things that that are that could be found in the Bible. But like, you're trying to do it without Christ and you're a jaded, upset,

torn individual. You know what I'm saying? Like, can you imagine what it feels like to to to stick yourself out there and put everything you have on the line to help somebody and and just to give and give and give to people that will just take advantage of you. I promise you, you cannot sustain that without Jesus. You just can't. You will be you will be disappointed. You will be disgruntled. You will be angry. And you will find nothing but hate towards other people if you try to do that without Jesus Christ. He he is the one that that is proclaiming a love that we are just not capable of of doing on our own. The amount of forgiveness that he's offering, the things that he says, I've died for your sins and they're they're no more. I The reason that sometimes I have such a hard time explaining Jesus to people is because I I realistically cannot imagine forgiveness at that level. You know what I'm saying? Like, I can't imagine love at that level. I believe that it's true because I know him, but like, if you were to ask me of an example that I've seen while walking around this earth apart from him of where that exists, I can't find it. And so that that fella is a is a perfect example. And and you know, I'm not saying that to shame him. I'm I'm What I'm saying is is like, you can go about doing

categorically the Lord's work all that you want to, but if you try to do it without him, you you will ruin yourself. You will absolutely ruin yourself, and you will hate the life that you think that the Lord has set up for you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I I think that I mean, you know, it's weird how how all that seems to kind of point back to some of the things that that we're running into with the guy with the list and and the and the other experiences, which is if you're trying to do God's work without God, if you're trying to live the life God has for you without his assistance, if, basically, you separate who God is, who Jesus is, from the things that he says, from the things that you're called to do, from the life that you're called to live. Like, that's where you become jaded. You become jaded because he's he set a very, I don't know, interesting life, a very different

bar, a very upside down kingdom. And if you try to live in a place without him under the same guidelines, like, it's it's going to be a very rough existence for you. The same is true for his institution of marriage. The same is true as your ability as a as a father or a mother or a or the way that you operate in your work or your evangelical duties or or your mission work or anything that you try to insert yourself into, with with him as the basis. If you don't if if you honestly don't, you know, let him provide the strength to do that, you will fail and fail miserably, and it is very depressing. You can't fake life in the spirit. Well, that's that that's the truth. Right? And like, and I think that goes along really what what what Boob is talking about, because like, what happens is is that you get in a relationship with Christ and you and you allow him to make changes and then you're like, okay, I I I think I I think I got this. Subconsciously, you're like, you're starting to take a little bit back. You're like, I know I know right from wrong now. I think I know your heart and I think we're okay and then and then what happens is is is a period of time will go by and you'll realize that like, I don't have a I don't have control of this thing at all. I took the entire source of the situation I'm in and said, I think I got this now. And then you realize that you're you're a straw man. You're an upside down snowman. You got the heavy parts on the top and nothing really holding it up. And it gets very hard to sustain that without getting, very disappointed.

So so, like, how does that happen? Like, what why is it that, that that we're prone to that? Well, I mean, I can answer that honestly over the last couple months. It's it's a things are going okay. You know what I'm saying? I'm not saying that that that that my main source, like like, of my relationship with Christ is only when things are bad. But when I feel like my behavior lines up with what Christ,

talks about, especially especially in Matthew five, You know, if I'm keeping my own sets of checks and balances and I will, admit to sin and I will repent of it and I will apologize for it and I will do the hard things that I wouldn't used to do, I stop asking God for help in that situation because I think I know what I need to do and then I start to do it. And then I'm like and then and then, you know, that day will go well or that two days will go well. And then the Bible reading just kinda starts to slip off and I don't pray as much as I used to because I know what he's gonna say. I read his Bible. I know I know what he's saying. And I I think I get his heart. All these things are They're just things that start to go through your mind. You get comfortable in your Christian existence. Like you can ace the morality that comes with it. And and while you may give that your best shot, maybe you do real well. You you miss a lot of the joy that comes with the relationship. I'm in the exact same boat as boob. I know exactly what that feels like. That that you get to a certain point that that I mean, it's it's in the Bible to feed the homeless. Check. It's in the it's in the Bible to honor your wife. Check. It's in the Bible to be honest at your work. Check. I feel like I'm good. And then my Bible reading starts to slip off and my my prayers for intercede in my life and help strengthen me start to wear off a little bit. So I'm like, I can sustain the path that you've put me on. I think that the the one of the things that I'm I'm recognizing is exactly that. I get in that that moral checklist concept of, yes, I need to do this. Yes, I need to do this. Yes, I need to do this. And, you know, I fulfill that stuff, but I forget that that the Bible and that relationship with God, that's my fountain. That is that is where I go to get, you know, the the strength to be able to do this stuff. That's where I go to get the knowledge that I need to do this stuff, and and go out and do more stuff in the world. And I forget that I need to go back, and I need to fuel myself with what Jesus offers.

And I need to fuel that in my relationship with God, and make sure that's still happening. That's my home base. That's what I keep going to. Yeah. I go out into the world, and I try and help out with stuff, and God's called us to do all those kind of things, like feed the homeless, and and take care of the the poor, and take care of the people who need us, and all that good stuff. But I forget to take care of me, and let God just kind of handle me specifically, and get all that stuff. And I think that's kind of where I've fallen now is I keep forgetting to go back and nurture that relationship with God. And then I look back and I say, well, what's happened? Where's my life now? What what's where's my growth coming from? And I don't see it. And like I said in my in my advice is the fact that my first inclination was to run to, God, why have you stopped working in me? Why have you stopped working on me? Rather than Troy, what have you done recently to to meet God with that? You know, what have you done to further your relationship there? You know, I I think that here's the here's the big distinction, fellas, and see see if this rings true for you. I I think we get into a pattern of running errands for Jesus as opposed to have just going with him on the journey. Right? Like we like we talk to Jesus, he says, go and do these things. We head out, we do it, we come back check-in with Jesus. Everything alright? Or if we go out and things don't go the way we planned, we come running back and say, Jesus, here's what we ran into. Can you help us out? And then we run back out again. As opposed to saying, Jesus is on kingdom work. We're going with Jesus, part of Jesus' army, doing kingdom work with him. He's there with you all the time. And so we if we get in a check-in, check out mentality,

yeah, of course, you're gonna feel like you're working without Jesus, because you left him back there. Right? Like like, you pursued whatever it is you thought that he wanted, and you just wanted to be able to come up and give him a give him a thumbs up report. And there's a positive thing about that, because you're like, I wanna serve Jesus. I want him to think I I did the work that I was supposed to do. But, like, he's he's he's doing the work. He's doing the work with you. Right? Holy Spirit's there. Jesus is telling you where to go. Like, this is not an alone thing. And I suppose if we get in the pattern of of check-in, go out, check-in, go out, we're kinda missing the God with us type of action that says, you know, we don't really have to do that. Like, he's just there. He's just there. It's a kingdom partnering that I'm suggesting. You know what I'm saying? My kingdom would like to join

and and work alongside your kingdom because I think you have good things going. And and I'd like to be part of that. Right? But but it's not me giving up my the rights to my kingdom or handing over my throne. It's more like, hey, I just dig on your style and I think you run a sweet kingdom. Yeah. We'd like to partner with you, awesome nation. You'll make me look good. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. But but I mean, like, it's shameful but it is it's the truth. That's the way that my that that I would say my existence, generally, when I can find myself drifting away from worrying about, my relationship with Christ, that is what's happening. It is a check-in and check out. It is I just I need a task. I'm on it. I can cover the task. I'll be back and let you know how it went. If it fails, I'll say, I I don't know really what happened. I feel like I I was I was faithful here. So, you know, was this just some kind of lesson? Then I then I kinda worry what happened. But if it goes with me, then I don't have to worry about that. As I was saying, like, even if you change your pronouns, right, like, it's not, hey, man, what am I doing today? It's like, god, what are we up to today? What do we got going on? It just frames your day a little different. You wake up in the morning and say, what what are we up to today, Jesus? What do what do we have happening? It's like, like, what am I gonna do to further the kingdom? Like, that's a real good thing. I'm supposed to do this. Further the kingdom. You know, we're like, what's up in your kingdom today, Lord? What are we what are we after? That's I don't know. I feel like that's motivating to me. Yeah. Being Jesus is around hitting doing something. Yeah. It's more an extension of your relationship rather than I have these five things I'm gonna get done Right. For God and and so I can, you know, know, pat myself on the back and feel like I did something. It's it's it's the as you go part of the great commission is Yeah. I'm just going and

Jesus with me and he says, hey, do this. And, you know, it keeps you from running into the circumstance where you're like, you think, well, you know, if I don't motivate myself to do these things, to keep doing the work of the kingdom, then I might get lazy or I might not be doing all the work that Jesus has asked me to do. But the deal is is, like, it's pretty hard if you're let's say me and Buva were like, I don't know, our job was to to drive to Kentucky and pick up a refrigerator you bought off a local Craigslist. And we get halfway there, like, when I'm driving the car with Buva heading to Kentucky to pick up a refrigerator, I really don't have a bunch of worry in my mind that I'm just gonna pull off to the side the road and stop driving. It seems unlikely. Right? Because we're both on a mission to do something. Right. And so, whether you were worried that we'd say, well, you know, maybe I won't do the work if I if I don't stay motivated or tell myself to do it. But the deal is, if you have in the right mind that you and Jesus are out, you know, driving to Kentucky, it's just very unlikely that you're likely to bail on the road and take a nap. So it's it's just a frame of mind, like how you're thinking about you're you're doing the work. You you're not likely to bail. Jesus is right next to you. It's when you get off on your own and you try to sneak a nap somewhere, that's when you're likely to stop doing the work. Trying to get away with it. You say, well, Kentucky, nobody knows how far that is. May I take a nap?

Alright. Hey, man. You think Kentucky Fried Chicken's better in Kentucky? No. No? Doesn't. Hudson says no. Like like flat out just know I know this to be true? I I do know. My daughter went to college there. It was one of the first things I wanted to find out. Man. Alright. My family thought I was odd. Yeah. I heard they actually fry it in Kentucky and then ship it on trucks.

And the trucks is what is what makes it better? Yeah. So by the time it gets to you, it's at least six, seven hours old. Hey, So here's the deal. I've been perpetuating this story probably for ten, twelve years, and I don't know if there's any truth to it or not. But I feel like somebody told me one time that they worked at Arby's and that the roast beef comes as like a like a gelatinous thing Ugh. That then firms up in the in some sort of oven. I really hope not. And then they shave it. Like, comes in a bag like a liquid, like a gravy. Hey, man. If that's true, I'm done with the Arby's. Does that sniff right at all? That doesn't sniff right. That just doesn't seem right. But If that is true, the five for five deal is not as good a deal as I thought. Was gonna say, He basically bought a Jell O sandwich for a buck. Exactly.

That's disgusting. Man, I should I I gotta stop telling that story. We gotta check out the validity of this because that's gross and I really hope it's not true. But if it is, I really need to stop eating there. What because this first of all, Arby's is pricey. Is really, like, if they've gone with the, like, the the premium fast food organization, and I can only go there, like, once every six But, like, but then it occurs to me, like, they're they're pulling one over on me, because they got bagged beef. Yeah. Liquid beef? Enough Arby's sauce on it. It doesn't matter. It still tastes good. Hey, Well, then you might as well go to, like, a more low rent fast food place if you're just gonna try and dress up the gel gelatin meat. No. That's true. I should just get a big box of Arby's sauce and then go buy a burger at a cheaper You'll in your own baloney? Yeah. Hey, man. Can I get a couple of peckles of Arby's Sauce? Was here, like, three hours ago. And then go get yourself something else. Okay. I think that's an idea. Alright. Dave Herrick, you're up on this week's installment of what did Jesus mean? Alright. So I've got a couple of verses that where Jesus

uses this phrase over and over again. He says, your your faith has healed you or in some translations, it's your faith has saved you. And the context is a little little bit different between the two, but it's essentially the same phrase. The the the Greek word there is sozo and it can be healed or it can be saved, but at at four points at least in Jesus' ministry, he he is looking at someone and they've just gone through some kind of very significant healing experience and Jesus has healed them and he has identified that it is their faith that has healed them. And so the question that I'm I'm gonna pose to you is what did Jesus mean by that? I mean is there is there something that's missing from our understanding of Jesus and his ministry? Because it's not like this is some kind of an outlier. It happened once and and he moved on. This is something that was repeated and and then there was a fifth time where

where five guys ended up lowering their friend down through a roof. And and Jesus said that it was actually their faith that healed this this leper who came through the roof. So I'm gonna just really briefly run through the four different occasions just so that you can get some context to it because I don't wanna pull things out of context. But two of the occasions are are Jesus addressing a woman. The first one involves a woman and it's not even a physical healing, this is a spiritual healing. And it's a a sinful woman who comes and she anoints Jesus' feet at a party and it it makes for a big scene because she's not a a well liked woman apparently. And

so it it becomes a big deal. But Jesus turns around and he says, woman, your your faith has healed you. And he ends up shaming the host of the party and and honoring the woman instead. So he says that to her. Later on, there's a there's a woman who touches Jesus on the road in a in a big crowded area, grabs just the corner of his his garment, and ends up healing a twelve year long disease or or some kind of issue that she has involving bleeding for twelve years. And when Jesus turns around and and addresses the situation, he looks at the woman and he says, your faith has healed you.

Later on, 10 lepers come to Jesus. Jesus heals them and one of them comes back and Jesus looks at this guy and says, your faith has healed you. And then the last, event is where Jesus meets a blind man and uses that same phrase again, your faith has healed you. So my question is, if this is popping up so often

in in Jesus' life and and in his ministry, why is this something that we're not seeing really reduplicated in mainstream churches?

Why is it that in in a typical church when you talk about faith healing, they look at you like you're, you know, the crazy cousin or something at the at the picnic. It's like it's like you're off the wall. So what is the appropriate response for for us as Christ followers today as we're approaching verses like these and in Jesus' example? How are we to live this out? Okay. So I can tell you why I struggle with the opposite.

Because I've run into into people who claim to be faith healers of sorts. Mhmm. And one, they're they're they're hair misguided because it's, you know, it's The the reason I had a problem with it is because they attempted to heal a couple people and it didn't happen. And then they charged the people that they tried to heal as not having enough faith, and then that's why that's why Jesus wouldn't help them. And so I I I have a I have a a really awkward taste in my mouth about that stuff for that specific reason. Like, that they would go around and they do their the song poem, and then they're like, hey, you know, this should have healed you. Your faith is strong enough. Go back and faith harder. And when you're when you faith hard enough, it it'll work. Do your faith curls. Yeah.

Yeah. Matthew. Mark. So but but I mean, that starts to open a lot of doors to a lot of odd questions. Right? Like, I mean, if I feel like I have a genuine faith, don't know how to be any more genuine than I have in the Lord's And and and my faith does not heal me. Right now, I sit in the bucket where, you know, it's it's just not what he's got going on. He said no. And the kingdom's glorified, and I will continue to love him, and that's it. Right. Like, I I I mean, to to what you're saying, strength of,

strong faith doesn't necessarily mean no strife. I mean, ask any of the dead apostles. I mean, they all died very vicious deaths. It doesn't seem like their lack of faith is what caused them to be, you know, crucified, quartered,

stabbed. Yeah. You know, just generally speaking, like, the the thought process that says, you will not, you will be healed or you will not have strife because you have strong faith. Mhmm. Like, that doesn't seem to play out in reality. So so how do we live out the verses that that Herod's talking about? Like, what does what does that mean to us today? Well, I think it it always goes back to the kingdom of God centers around the king Mhmm. And not the subjects. And where where we get in trouble like like what you guys were saying, you know, is is we tend to put ourselves in the center and say, isn't God, you know, putting on a show for me or making me feel better?

You know, I I look at like the apostles you mentioned. You look at John the Baptist. He had a very specific purpose in life. You know, in my kingdom, I don't think I would put the guys to death by having him beheaded after he did his job. You know, I I have a different way of looking at things, but I'm not God. I'm not know, God has a different way And so sometimes it doesn't make sense to us, I think,

that that that side of it. So on on the the the faith part, that that's as always a struggle. It's like, I I believe God can do anything. I mean, there there are no limitations to him. So when I pray, I pray in absolute faith. I find that hard, like, because I've I've people say that. Right? And and and there's biblical backup to that of praying in faith that he will that he will heal or that he will do something. But like, I I If I'm being honest, I can't get there. I I know he might say no. I can't have faith that he's gonna do something because I know that my own mind can't be trusted to say this is the best thing. That's why I have a God and that's why I ask him. Part of part of your faith is you understand he's sovereign

and and you're not. See, well, that's why I have I a hard time have a hard time praying that because of that. I Yeah. I generally tend to gravitate towards, Lord, I I I You're gonna do whatever you want here. And so, I just pray that you'll let me Whatever. I You don't even understand what you're doing, but just find, you know, find the joy in our relationship with me and you. Like, I I feel like I can't bully him. I mean, you can. I mean, Moses not bully him. But like Moses had petitioned things for him not to kill people. You know, it's not like like he doesn't answer prayers. But I have I have a hard time praying in complete faith for that he's gonna do something, knowing full well that he'll say, it's not gonna work out this time. Yeah. You know? Like, I have a hard time with that. And I hear that phrase a lot. And I I like, I struggle with that because I that's something I just cannot do. I have a friend I've been praying for for a long time who has some real physical ailments. And, they, pray fervently,

for healing and have gone literally around the world to faith places, and they have prayed for for them. And I still keep praying,

I pray for that healing but I also pray for grace and for God to be glorified through a non healing either way. But, you know, sometimes I wonder, is that a cop out? Is that like, take God, I know you can do this but, you know, just in case, I still wanna glorify you. You know, I'm I'm not surprised either way if God says, well, yeah, he can heal you. And, you know, if he stitched us together once, can re stitch all he wants, you know. Or,

no, I want you to, you know, have this thorn in your flesh. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I I think we have to we have to be able to embrace some of the nuances of the stories that the Bible tells. Right? Like Yeah. When you're talking about the the I always miss miss mix this up. Is it Bethesda Bethsaida the pool where they could Oh, yeah. The guy that who's got the splinter is always in the pool quicker. Right? What was which one was it? Bethesda. Okay. Bethesda. Okay. So so, like, I mean, you don't see Jesus it's it's not everybody. Like, there's a whole group of people there. Everyone could've. Not everybody is healed. Do I think that's entirely a faith issue? Like, it's it's it's that's the only guy that had any faith? I suppose it's possible. But, like, if if sometimes we'll say, well, you know, just to as an example to demonstrate his authority, he could have done that with everybody. Yeah. I mean, it's just there's some some interesting parts of those stories where where, you know, what what God decides to do is beyond me, and I think the Bible's pretty clear that's gonna be the case. Well, and before going to the cross, he Jesus says, I've done everything you've asked me to do. That means there were a lot of people who he weren't wasn't asked to heal and

situations he wasn't asked to intervene in, you know, which now as the church, we kind of take the baton and go. But he he was complete. His job was complete. It's time to go to the cross. Yeah. And You know, I I wonder if if if keying in on on faith, right, like if if if faith is the kind of the the submission to understanding who Jesus is, what his identity is, and submitting to his authority. Like, that also gives him the grounds to act how he pleases. And and and implicit in that submission is, either I'm healed or, you're choosing not to, and I'm confident either way that that everything's gonna be fine.

Or things are gonna be at what they are, and you're either permitting it or you've stepped in. And in either case, you you rock where you're planted. I I mean, I I suppose, like, it precludes your ability to to fight with God about that if the underlying nature of your faith is, I submit to your authority, of who you are. And I think that's difficult to digest. Right? Because everybody is is a better God than the one that exists when things aren't going the way that you want them to. Mhmm. Everyone says, God, you know, I I could have handled this differently. Why would you? That's it's the big question. Right? Like, God, why? Why why did this happen? And if we if we mistrust, it's like the sheep walking the other direction and saying, no. I really think things are fine over there. The shepherd's trying to lead you away from a wolf, but you really like the you think the grass looks awesome, and you think you should do that. If you don't trust your shepherd,

you know, it's always gonna look like you could have done a better job. And the thing is is, like, that that seems from a from a non Christian perspective, that seems like a major cop out. Right? Like, I just have to trust that everything is gonna be fine. Yeah. I do. I do. Like, that's that's the nature of a deity. It's it's it's the nature of understanding who you are in light of who God is. And I I I think that what what was I thinking about the other the other day? It was like, thinking about about religion as a crutch. And then and then we we were we've been talking about the beatitudes. Right? And and if the the porn spirit is I need God, then, like, yeah. Yeah. Crutch. Definitely. I'm

on board. Give me two. So I I I don't know. I I I think maybe if you if you focus in on on understanding if it's your faith that's that's healed you, if if the basic nature is that you're submitting to the authority of who God is, the follow-up question simply doesn't exist.

Because if you're trusting God one way or the other I don't know. I don't know. And maybe that's maybe that's too easy of an attempt to handle that to say, that's there's still something specific about those instances compared to others. I mean, I I I feel like there's plenty of people who feel like they have this figured out. I I'm not sure I've seen that demonstrate itself in a very clear way. Right? Like like those guys that were trying to heal pants or, you know, like all those other people that you run to. It's like, we got this thing nailed down. Like, I doubt it. You got a potbelly.

Like, I feel like, where's your faith at, buddy? You're gonna get like, once again, like, that's why I had such a hard time with that. It's like, watched them go up to, like, a kid with cerebral palsy and and say, look, we're gonna we're gonna fix this. And then saw him palm the kid, and then nothing happened. And I thought, how did that glorify the kingdom? You basically broke the spirit of a six year old boy. And I was I mean, I felt sick to my stomach watching this thing, you know? And I thought, I just I can't get on board with what you guys are doing. Yeah. It just makes me sick. I don't like it. You know, but here's the deal. Like, I I have heard stories. And Harriet Harriet's probably got better

better anecdotes on this than even what I've heard. But, like, missionaries that I would otherwise trust that have been in circumstances, and, like, a guy was dead and he's no longer dead. And I don't have any reason not to believe that. Yeah. You know? Like, it it's not like the Holy Spirit stopped doing work that he's done. What distinction he makes about how those things show up and in what way, I don't know. They're him, though. Like, it's a God thing. It's not a people power. I, you know, I don't think people are going around healing. Think God has always been the source of those things. Do I think things like those happen? Yeah. I I just I think it's a denying of reality to act like God just did something for, like, thirty years and just said, no. It's everything's gone. I I'm not the same God anymore. By the way, good luck recognizing me. I put on a mustache. You know? Like, that that's kind of the thought process that he doesn't do anything. Like, I mean, I get it. I know where people are coming from. I know what they're trying to protect. But I I just I'm not sure it just doesn't seem to reflect reality,

even if it's not my reality. And so, I I think we are we are sometimes separate the spiritual realm from the physical realm a little bit too much and act like those things are not at play. Either either manifesting themselves in, in in physical healings, in resurrections,

in, you know, just other type of spiritual activity. I think we're too easy to write that off because it's it doesn't it's not happening in our lives. Why? I don't know. That's an interesting question. It's an interesting question. I think sometimes you get some real crazy answers to that. Like, Jesus just left Chicago's easy top style. Like, we don't see that here because Christ is gone. I don't know. That doesn't make sense either. But, I don't know. I think that's a wide range of stuff to I I think I still have a lot of, I have a lot of faith, but I think associated questions about. What are your thoughts, Herrick? Where have you taken us down this road? What are your what are you tell us about it. Oh, I didn't wanna come in with any kind of presuppositions. I just wanted to let you guys Now now we've been pontificated.

Now you tell us what what we're thinking. Something that Mike said, about just the the way that we pray, I I find myself often drawn towards in the way that we just appeal to God's sense of sovereignty and and his wisdom. And just kinda sitting back and and with my prayers just kinda, hey God, it'd be nice if, but you know, ultimately your will be done. Yeah. You know, because I I know you. But

as it as I've been reading more and more about what it means to be a child of God and and be imitators of God and realizing that I'm supposed to be about his business. And I can understand that as a as a small child going up and asking dad and saying, hey, can you do this for me? But as the child grows up, he wants to learn how to how to imitate imitate God. And a part of that is is trying to learn and and adopt and and pick up his wisdom in addition to his character. And so ultimately, I'm I'm gonna always leave that door open of saying, hey, God, I I know your wisdom will always be greater than mine. But I hunger and and I salivate for for that wisdom. And so as I'm gonna go into this situation and pray for it and and ask you God to, you know, ultimately, it's in your hands, but I still want you to teach me through this. You know, I I'm gonna ask for specific things.

And if things don't work out the way that I that I was expecting, can you please teach me why? Give me your perspective, God, on what's going on. How how can I better understand this? I don't wanna just come to you, get a no and and go away without understanding. I wanna I wanna know. I wanna see the world the way that you see the world Lord. And on this faith healing thing, boy,

I It's still It's a tough one for me too, and and that's why I was able to confidently pull this one and know it it would spark some really good discussions. It's just Yeah. It's one of those things that Yeah. It's it's tough. I I've seen it done very poorly. I've seen it I've seen it done well. I I I don't know of any excellent examples other than Jesus. So Yeah. I I was kinda thinking when we were talking a video. I think I think David was you who shared this a few months ago of the family like like the day before

they were gonna come in murder them for their faith. Do you remember what I'm you know what I'm talking about? Maybe like praying Mhmm. As I recall like that that they would die well or something like there was two parents and their children. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And and I don't remember the specifics but I remember that's kind of how I took out of that, you know. They weren't praying for a miraculous delivery. They weren't praying you know, they they it was a you know, maybe you guys remember more, Deed. It was like, they want to die a whale in front of their children or something or It it was a was a family in Syria and they were they were talking to their kids about what what faith meant. Yeah. And so just

describing how, you know, we're we're followers of Christ and this is what it means. And there are people who are are going to, at some point, come come for us and and ask us to give an account for our faith. And here's what that process is gonna look like when when that happens. And and the parents are just essentially preparing their kids for yeah, that scenario. And the

the people coming are gonna ultimately come for either their lives or or some kind of a a denial of Christ. And they're like, we're we're not gonna do that. And and kids, you're not gonna do that either. And they'll they're gonna pressure you and they might, you know, yell at you or all kinds of other things. But and they'll probably kill us as well. And don't let that be a deterrent to you. Hold strong in your faith. And it So that's a picture of faith. Yeah. And You know, your faith has healed you. Yeah. And and then they they said,

so it's tough. So as I recall, they they they they kind of They said dramatized the act of You know, they they'll ask you to, you know, deny Christ and and don't and after that just just closes your eyes. Yeah. Then when you open them, you'll see Jesus.

Yeah. Wow. Powerful. I mean, that's faith. Yeah. Yeah. That takes away some of the surface y conversations that that you you hear from the, you know, the dude who couldn't heal the cerebral palsy Yeah. Person or or, you know, and and and it's just like, wow, they don't get faith. That's a judgment on my part. But that's rubber meets the road there. Hearing that kind of stuff, my

first human thought is to run to, man, there's a lot of people arguing about a lot of stupid stuff Yeah. Versus that. But then, honestly, from from me stepping back, there's a lot of stupid stuff that I find myself arguing. Right. And it's a lot of stupid stuff that I find myself trying to battle and trying to really figure out and all this different stuff. And and then I hear stuff like that, and it just boils down to that's that's seriously completely being in love with who Jesus is and who our God is and exactly what he represents. And it's just it's insane. And it just puts into perspective of the kind of stuff that I go through on a daily basis, and then I really need Jesus on. And then it's just like, but I've never found myself there. I've never found myself having to explain to my children that you're good. You're not gonna deny Christ. You're gonna love and and completely proclaim who Christ is until the end, and then close your eyes

because you're about to be killed. Yeah. And it's just like, what crap is going on in my life that that I'm even worried, and there's stuff going on like that in the world. And it's just like, it kills me. It kills my heart, and I know that that's not the point of it, and I know that that I have stuff that there's even better to to be worried about. But man, that puts stuff in perspective. Well, and like like, ultimately, what it bears in either in the simple or the complicated, it's are we fighting for God to understand our perspective or we asking to be given his? Right? Are we asking to to to look at our lives in the way that God looks at our lives and understand

what that looks like? Or are we are we That's The only way to get pissed with God for not Something not going the way is because you wanted something. Right. And you feel like he didn't understand your perspective on the matter and act in the way that you acted. And here's the deal, if God did everything that I asked, then he's not worth worshiping, because he does what I do when I'm not a God. Right. Right? And so, you know, that's that's the root nature of things. Can I look at my life? Can I look at my life the way God looks at my life and say that is a glorious sacrifice? He's in that business. Right? And say, it furthers the kingdom. I know you're going to be fine. Let it happen. Yeah. Let that world do what what it's going to do. I'm in the transformation business. And so, you know, we can There's there's there's things like that story, right, that that can put that into great relief. The truth is though, like, even even in whatever minor things that you're haggling over, are we fighting for God's perspective? Am I fighting to say, let me find the wisdom. Let me see the things the way God sees them. Whether whether he does what I want or not, there there should be wisdom in that. Right? Like, there should be a reaction to say, if he if he didn't do what I thought, like, yeah, what can I what what what can I know more about God based upon that interaction? How do I understand God more with his no?

Mhmm. With his protection, with his choice, like, whatever the sovereignty in that circumstance. And and but but often we as opposed to fighting to understand what God's perspective is on the matter, we're upset because he didn't get on board with ours. Right. And like and and and again, like, it it just it just can't be he cannot be God. He can't be a good loving God if every time I wanted something, he gave it to me because I am a fool. And I ask for foolish things at times. And like, that would be He would be a bad father and a poor excuse for a God. Just as any earthly father would. Yeah. Right. If you give your child everything they asked Yeah. You know, it just that's just not wise. And I think that goes back to the the balanced kingdom

living. You know, we're we're sort of caught up on one emotion after another and and I was almost gonna take issue with you earlier, Troy, with with the I wasn't feeling whatever. I thought I I don't think emotion has any feeling, but I think that's more of an expression than, you you know, anything. So I didn't say anything. But but often we do. We people base our faith on how we're feeling about this or how we're feeling about that rather than God is God and and I'm just gonna follow. I don't need to feel anything. I'm just gonna keep following. Right. And express my faith through through whatever avenue he has in front of me at at the moment. And wherever he leads me, whatever he has me doing, it's just it's doing his work. And and yeah. That's Hey. You're listening to Life From The Path. I'm I'm almost dead. Certainly, we've said something offensive to you. Let us know. Hit shoot a email at [email protected].

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life is getting more and more comfortable when someone says, hey. What does this mean? I'm like, I don't know. You know? I don't know. Yeah. I could yeah. I got, like, a bunch of random stories that I can't form into a point. Yeah. Yeah. I just like, here's here's what I know the Bible says is accurate. Those things have to fit together in one way or another. It's it's like trying to put the So here here's the deal. Here's It's the best example I can give is that it is like trying to put a a puzzle together without the boxes or reference. Mhmm. So all the pieces are real. Mhmm. They do indeed go together,

and they do form a complete picture. I just don't know how. There's one weird god sized piece. Seems to fit everywhere. Here's the thing is like It connects to everything. That's right. Here's the thing that I Cheap puzzle. That I I And it's it's And they will call it cheap. But I will

When things like that come up like if someone asked me point blank, do you believe that God can heal me? I would say, yes. Do you believe that God will heal me? I don't know. They said, does God heal people based on their faith? Here's the thing. I believe in God sized things. And so if it was a mic sized thing, I could be able to tell you the answer to that. But since it is a God sized thing, I'm I'm sticking with my I don't know. Because I don't know what to say to that. You know I'm saying? I There is There's biblical examples of doing all kinds of stuff. I have not seen any of the seas parted around me. I have been forced to take a bridge. Does that mean the Lord could not provide me a path? No, it is not. But he says, I had so and so build a bridge twenty years ago. Use that. Every bridge is the evidence of the absence of God.

Well, if there were really a God, there'd be a lot more parting of seas. It's like, nah. I could drive to Africa. The Lord gave up on New York a long time ago. Exactly. I mean, if you're Look at the Manhattan Bridge. If you're gonna take the actions of God the Father or Christ the Son and say, you know, reproduce them, otherwise, you're not real. That you you know what I'm saying? Like, you you I think when you when you parse that out, realize how maybe asinine of what you're saying. You've you've taken the the giant spectrum that is the Lord and boiled it down to an act. Like a traveling roadshow. Yes. Hey, hey, I part seas in every major city. Yeah. Yeah. So,

you ready? You have to be more specific. You should. Believe it's charge you one thing around here. I believe it's time for Dear Life From The Path, everybody. My loins are girded. Make it happen. Dear Life From The Path. I was recently fired for my job for chronic tardiness.

I have worked at this business for four years, and although I knew my lateness was seen as a problem by my boss. Is this Ben? I was still I'm still employed as far as I know. It was still a surprise. Everything else rings true, though. I like how they phrase it. My boss sees this as a problem. Everyone else is kind of. Now that I am back in the job market again, I'm wondering if I need to mention my previous tardiness on an employment

application. I asked my mom who has been privy Winner. Who has been privy to this whole mess. She thinks I should mention it and explain that I have learned my lesson, especially when applying to a different branch of my former company that would have direct access to my evaluations. I think I should explain my tardiness as a lesson learned on job interviews when and if it comes up, not on applications where I'm trying to put my best foot forward. What say you?

So is the is the is the base I'm trying to catch the right nuance of this question because this guy's got a lot of problems. It's do I lead with I got what I got fired at my last job from just so I can explain that my lesson has been learned? Or do I wait to see whether it comes up? Is that his basic nature nature of the question? Yes. You know, yeah, yeah, you wait. Yeah. I'd say interview. Yeah. Wait for the interview. You know what lead with by the way, Ben Foose constantly late, has learned lesson. Chronic tardiness. Really good at Google image search, Microsoft Office, not great at being on time.

I've never found Klux very persuasive. So you've got a list of skills and then one weakness on your resume. I would laugh hysterically as someone who does interviews. I would ask that person if they were being honest about that because I would laugh. But yeah. Wait for the interview. Just just tell it person to person. I don't apply at the same company. Like, they just fired you. Hey, John. This person's here interviewing. Can you explain what what's going on with the tardies? Pretty much self explanatory there. Yeah. Chronic tardiness. He's tardy. And obviously, don't lie about it. I mean, that there is a certain point on the employers that they they need to do some due diligence as well, you know, so let them dig it up. Yeah. I mean, if they ask So you're saying is, like, you just try try to get away with it. Like, you didn't ask me if I murdered people. Six months into their tenure, it's just like, wait a minute. No. Alright. You didn't say about this tardiness in the interview. Here's the deal. As I feel like, I'm unintentionally,

agree with the president's immigration policy here, but, like, you do have your options as to what you share. Like, you have some discretion as to what you end up you don't say everything you ever did at the office. By the way, I have a bowel movement at 10:00 every day. When it is, you're bruising. In the fifth grade, I hit Tommy. He was late, and I was mad. He was late, and I was angry. But then I saw he got away with it, I thought, yeah. That's me. Shoot. That seems to be the right way to do things. Alright. Secular's advice is, well Wait, hold on a second. So I I guess to be clear though, to be clear on this thing, there is a wrong way to go about things. Right? Like, if they say, hey, you what happened to your last job? I was tardy. Yeah. Yeah. I had problems with being late. Like, you don't get things the wrong way. You do things the right way. And, like, if that's the job for you and and you they feel comfortable that you've learned your lesson, awesome. But, like, they're they're just like, you don't wrong means.

You you you still have to follow the right means here. Okay. Go ahead. Secular's advice is, well, I think your mom may mean well, but I agree with you. That's it. Wow. That's the advice. Go ahead and leave it off the application. Explain it in the interview. Okay. I think that seems fair. Okay. Ready? Next question. Dear life from the path.

Over the last couple years, I have, lived a life that I'm not exactly proud of. But I have, mended my ways and turned around to be, to be a different person than I was. The problem is is that I've done a lot of things in the meantime that I'm not proud of. I've I've done a lot of, what's this say? I've done a lot of shoplifting, to a specific business that is close to me of a major corporation and returned the stuff for gift cards. Now, I never got caught doing such a thing, but I'd like to try to make restitution for some of the things I've done including this. Is it wise to out myself, of the crimes that I've committed, to an attempt to make restitution for what I've done? The they're gift cards?

Yeah. So if I'm if I'm following the story correctly, they they would basically go in and steal something and then return it as a return and just get a gift card. Right. Buy whatever they Yep. So in theory, if you just destroy the gift cards, then it zeros out the balance. They've already used them. Yeah. I'm guessing this person has already used all the gift cards and just wants to go in and go, hey, over the last five years, I've stolen $6,000 worth of stuff. And let's say he bought just for practical purposes, he bought undies with him, so they're not going back. It might be wise to actually save up the money and come in with said amount of money and say, hey. To like a to like a Walmart? Well, to wherever it is that if you're gonna go in and and confess, then you might wanna bring something to do restitution so that it's not just, hey,

sorry for jail. Just saying sorry about $6,000 to a corporation probably isn't gonna be restitution. I called the police. They're gonna meet us here. I mean, is is Yeah. This this necessary? Maybe if it's for a corporation and there's probably no human being that that, you know, you've offended necessarily and you want to honor God in your life and do this, buy a bunch of gift cards and don't use them.

Hey, now that's sneaky. I think I like that. I mean, it's not really confessing That but avoids all kind of punishment. I mean, I don't like, that's what I'm saying is if there's, like, no one to confess to, you're going to the, you know, courtesy counter. They're like, don't care. Exactly. I mean That's kind of the caveat for me. Like, it was if it was Tom's hardware store, you could be like, Tom, I sold stuff. I'll work here for free. Whatever you want. You're not gonna see. Ask the regional manager at Walmart.

You know, like, unless you can get ahold of Steve Walmart himself. Mister Walton, I'd like to talk to you about the $6,000 I've stolen. I mean, here's the deal, like, the guy at the local Walmart will probably just have you arrested. Yeah. So I I don't know. I've I've 55 Hold on a minute. Like, do you not deserve to be arrested? Yeah, you do. Maybe you gotta like, do you, as a Christ follower, do you is are you crying to take your lumps here?

Don't wait for I mean, is it dishonest to say, hey, I I I've realized the the wrong of my ways, like, to to spend time and raise up $6? Or you just go back there and be like, I stole the gift cards, man. I don't have any proof I did it. You don't have any proof that I did it. I'm telling you that's what I did. I'm confessing. Cuff me and take me in because I love Jesus. Let me let me ask you this. As a Christ follower, do you need restitution? If it's forgiven, God's forgotten about it. It's off the record. You just move on? That takes care of your slate with God. That I'm trying to think of scripture that I couldn't nothing was coming to mind. Because otherwise now you're you're essentially taking taking Christ's reputation and and you're

But you were never on that. They don't know. And so, now you've got pagans out there that are like, hey, Christ owes me $6,000 But wouldn't you Because of you. I'm like, Christ owes me $6. Go to the local church. Hey, pastor. I know you've got somebody in your flock that owes me $6. I mean Let's get take care. Couldn't you I mean, depending on what your life looked like before you met Christ, you could legitimately take up the rest of your life just getting restitution for the things that you've done and really do nothing positive for the kingdom. Ex I suppose except for the restitutions. That's where you kinda follow the spirit on it because what you're describing could cripple your ability to advance God's kingdom, certainly.

But Like if the regional manager got you arrested. Or maybe you're in for prison ministry. Yeah. Was gonna say different ways. I mean, it could be one of those things that it's like bankruptcy that you're just in over your head. There's no way you could pay everything back. And so you just kinda need the spirit to guide you and, alright, what's the best way to start paying things back? So if that's if that's where the spirit's heading So it's it's more of a this is where we use the the Holy Spirit that the Lord has provided and say, look. What a thought. You kinda know what's going on here. I I need to help. I'm open to the jail. If that's what you want, I'm open to the jail. Yeah. Or help me to be open to the jail because I'm not open to the jail. But like, help me. Wanna do I wanna do what you want me to do. Please don't send me to jail. What if you do? Whatever.

Yeah. I I feel like you should own up to the situation and I and, you know, maybe it's a good idea to bring some money, but I I can't imagine that's gonna help too much. Well, that's the thing. It's like, I just don't know who you're gonna tell. Like I said, Tom Hardware, easy. Tell Tom. I've walked into a lot of corporations, and I can't imagine walking up to, like, the store manager and going, hey, man. I've stolen possibly up to, like, blank amount of money from you in the last couple years. Cuff me. Like, I don't know what else to say. Like, put me in the customer service jail cell and then send on the paddy wagon. Like, I don't but I feel like you should own it. Well, even where you work right right now, suddenly you said, wow, I've been stealing pens for twenty years and I have 14 uniforms Hey, man. I'm working on that. Yeah. I mean, do do you go to even if go to your boss, they're gonna be like Hey, Dollar General. Hey, Richard. Say, I've been a time thief. You pay me for eight hours, I'm, like, working six. Maybe. I feel like I owe you a week. I don't even need to work here for for a week for free, and you can't pay me. They'll say, we can't do that. You say, you have to. I I I need to restitute. And

they'll say, it's illegal. We cannot do that. Final round, boys. Advice it up for this man. Okay. Here's the deal. I think, generally speaking, a a you gotta it's a Holy Spirit deal.

As to what level like, it's true that ultimately it doesn't require restitution to be right with the Lord. However, he may be calling you through this process to be able to use those circumstances that you unintentionally created for greater good, because, you know, that's a Bible deal. Secondly, though, it's easy to mock things that you feel like can't be solved, but I think you gotta give it a shot. I think I think it is You you have to be open to the possibility to say, I don't know how they would even react to this. That's not your problem. That was not your means. Your means are, hey, man, I got $6 worth of gift cards. And they say and maybe you get, you know, Joanna that's been there for three months is now promoted to the manager of the customer service and says, I I don't really I don't care. We can't really prove that. And you say, okay. I just wanted I feel I need to come tell you. Maybe that's what it is. But whether they can do anything about it, maybe they say, hey, it's illegal, we can't do anything about it. I said, well, you do whatever you need to do. I wanna let you know, I'm sorry

about this, and I'm gonna straighten this out going forward. Let me know if there's anything else, any other consequences that come with this. Thank you. I mean, you know saying, like, how ridiculous it is on there and is irrelevant to the fact that you made the mistake on yours. Do do you do that while you're returning an item? Oh, yeah. And by the This way book is expired. Don't a receipt. I don't need a gift card for this. I would like a gift card. I'd like to buy a gift card. Yeah. I I think I'm on board with that. I think that, you know, it doesn't matter what ends up happening. I I feel like you should just own it. In this situation, just right. Like, I can't imagine who I would go into a Walmart and try and talk to. Like, I I'd probably started it at a checkout person. I'd pick the guy that stocks the shelves. He don't give a crap. Yeah. Exactly. Hey, I stole $6 from this. I stole $26 last year. I had done nothing all year. That is a cop out way to do that. 03:00 in the morning, walk up to the dude that's talking baked beans. They'll go, hey, Johnny. I stole $6 from this place. Yahoo. And then run away. Like

and then think to yourself, hey, I talked about it. We're good. God, we're good. Right? I feel better. Like, I feel like I'd eventually probably talk to like 15 people because I'd start at the at the checkout and be like, miss, I'm not actually here to buy anything, but I am here to tell you that I've stolen $10,000 from you in the last couple years. And they go, well, I should probably call the store manager about that. And then you work your way up through levels of management. Hey, man. I just take care of produce. I don't know what you're doing. Did you did you bring back vegetables? No? Alright. Then you need to talk to these people. Cashier forgive me for I've sinned.

It's been six months since my last gift card confession. That bean guy said I'm fine though. You should probably fire Chuck. Baked bean Johnny told me he's been taking a can of baked beans at night for the past year. You might wanna check his house. I think he has a stockpile.

Here's the deal. Like, I've done I've done that where I went back and I apologized to someone, like, ten years after ten, twelve years after something And they this is like, I long story short, like, this girl asked me out to it was like one of those dances where the ladies asked the dudes. And I said, look, I I'm not wanna go. Come on. Like, I didn't I've never been to a dance. I didn't wanna go. Another girl asked me out like three weeks later and I may have said yes. And so these are problems I don't have. Alright? I don't know how to handle these types of situations. And so And got caught in a play. So yeah. So so like that went poorly. That went very poorly.

Because these two ladies were friends. Nobody ended up going. And like that that thing like ate at me probably twice a year for ten, twelve years. I thought, what? That that was terrible. That was just an awful thing to do. And, like, and I knew it. And so, I finally sent this person, like, a Facebook message and kinda I kinda laid out there and I said, look, I know this feels dumb, but I just I wanted to say I'm sorry. It that was wrong in me. I I handled that very, very poorly, and I and I apologized. She had no she remembered it not at all. Like, had no idea what I was talking about. And said, yeah, no. I have nothing but but fond memories. I'm not even sure what you're talking about. Was like Who are you? I was like a complete fool.

A complete fool. But I haven't thought about it since except for right now because it's a fun story. Ben just went on this rampage of apologizing to all the ladies he's turned down in life. And she's like, Sarah, I'm really sorry about that one time I turned you down. You're one of like 15 people I need to talk to. I'm really sorry. I I have I have apologized to at least six women for pining for me who it turns out weren't actually pining for me. I know you were completely infatuated with me in eighth grade. And I know you really wanted me to go that dance with you, but I said no. And I'm really sorry. I've hurt your ego. Oh, you don't remember me? Okay. Alright. That's good. Is that how it's gonna be? Don't make it this way. I'm being humble here. That's God going, hey, pride. Bye. I did the same thing a couple years ago. Wrote this big elaborate note to this gal that You said no to a woman to a dance? No. No. It was separate. It was actually only happened. It was it was someone at at previous church

that I thought I maybe had offended. But I wasn't sure. And I said, was the situation. Here's what happened. And I just wanted to say that that that's uncharacteristic of me. Blah blah blah blah. I mean, it was just this big thing. Never even responded. No, man. I'm like It was on Facebook, so I knew she saw it. Like, well, anyway

Now I need to figure out all the people I need to apologize to. Like all the businesses I need to spend letters to. It sounds awful. But like once you get on a roll, apologizing to people for some really stupid crap, it's it's it's it's really very freeing. I I stole a piece of equipment from my previous employer. And two weeks after I'd quit there, I was done. It was eating me alive because I it was in my shed and I looked at it and I'm like, oh man, that it's ruined. I can't even return it. I've been sitting out in the rain. So I went and bought him a new one. And I rolled back into my previous employer's place and I said, they's like, Mike, how's it going? I said, listen. I need you to put this in inventory. I borrowed this with the full intention of not bringing it back. They said, yeah, people do that all the time. I said, well, not me. And I said, need you to put this back. And they laughed at me. I said, no, seriously. I I stole it. You understand what I'm saying? I stole this from I

need you to put it back. I'm sorry I did it. I blatantly stole it. I knew I was stealing it, and I and I wasn't gonna give it back to you. I'm giving you a brand new one, and I and I am asking you to help to forgive me. And I said, you're ridiculous. I said, this is going more awkwardly than I thought. But I need you to inventory this thing and I'm gonna leave now. That's sad that they went, hey, man. People steal from us all the time. Don't worry about it. But like, the thing is is like, I am the schmuck there. Yeah. Because I'm a because everyone else would have stolen it and not said anything. And and because oh, they probably did. You know? And so now I'm, the the the the jerk that walks in there, you know, mister Johnny Humble, like, hey, baby. Like, you're an idiot. It's just a this. Why did you even make a big deal out of this, you know? But but frankly, I I'm not worried about it. I left there to clean slate as far as I'm concerned. Are are you kidding? A business owner would love to hire someone like that. Yeah. With that kind of integrity? Hey, man. You wanna come work at the call center? No. Let me think about it. I have enough phones at my house. I believe Mike had a call center job at one time. It did It lasted go maybe six hours. Here's the problem. It turns out they record those phone calls.

I put some the weird phones were, here's the deal. The phones are really busy one day. They were like, this lady waited for a half hour. And she got on the phone and said and I went through the spiel or whatever, and she goes, man, I'm just so happy to have a live live person. I said, if you'd like to talk to a live person, please press 7. Oh. Is awesome. Dude, I will hire you on the spot if you said that. That's great. Profanity. And I said, oh, I'm just kidding. She goes, I need to talk to your manager. I was like, oh, man. Dude, if I heard that, I would laugh my butt off. She was so mad. Like if someone ever did that in a role play in my training, I would probably, like, promote them at that point in time. Yes. It was terrible. Anyway,

okay. Yeah. Secular advice. Yeah. So the the our overall reaching advice is you you need to pray on that. You need to pray on that if you're a Jesus man. And second of all, you better figure out some way to go talk to him. Yeah. That'd be a rough go. Unless it's unless the Holy Spirit is legitimately saying, look, I I've got this covered. Don't worry about it. I need I got bigger stuff for you to fry. Then, yes, it's probably still on you. Secular says, if this happened let's see. You didn't really give a time frame for how long ago this happened, but I'd say what's in the past is in the past and leave it be. Way to be accountable, secular. Well, she you think she answered it differently, said, hey, I work for secular.

And I've stolen the following items. Give it back. Alright. We got time for one more. Okay. Here we go. Okay. What do It's like Boova's running the the vice over here. I know. Right? Hey, man. I I didn't prescreen him. And last time I didn't prescreen him, we know it was a real heavy one that was a downer. Okay. Dear life from the path. When I was little, I would have given anything to have met my father at least once. Now I am 26 and have a two year old boy, Sean. I am married, but not to his father, a man I'll call Charlie. Charlie. All of a sudden, Charlie is wanting to be in Sean's life, but Sean already knows my husband as his daddy. I'm confused and afraid. What's your advice? I don't want to confuse my little boy about the man who is raising him and his biological father, but I don't want to wait till Sean is older and cause him pain. How old how old was the kid? Two. Two.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What? You can't agree with silence. Yeah. Bring him in. Yeah. Bring yeah. Yeah. Bring the kid or bring the biologic father in. Here's the deal. No matter what, you're probably eventually gonna have to explain it. Well, I'm not gonna say have to explain it, but I would say Yeah. You do. Explain it to them. Yeah. You do. Yeah. You've gotta deal with reality here. That's true. I I get that your reality is complicated. Why does dad have red hair and I don't, like, kinda deal. Right? You're gonna get that question. Have to be that obvious. Why do I have a big Jewish nose? Like, it doesn't have to be that. Hey, man. Hey, man. I just went for, like, generic red hair. You went straight to nationality, dude. That's messed up.

No. I feel like yeah. You have to tell them eventually. Just might as well get it out of the way now and start explaining and educating the kid. The kid is gonna under not understand exactly what's going on and the whole breadth of the situation. But, I mean, they can discern the fact that that's that's dad and that's dad too, or that's step dad and that's dad or whatever. I mean, my godson is in a similar situation. He has no issues determining who is dad and who's in what place. And he's got three dudes in his life, and he's gotta determine who's who, and he has no issue. And we've been he's known since he was two years old. He's known the whole time that that my

my brother is his his dad, but not his actual father or biological father. And he knows that mom's husband is his stepdad and he's totally okay with it. Loves spending time with both dads. Mhmm. And even on a on a different note, there there are times you you kind of need to know who your biological father is. Like a medical history thing later on in life that they that they just may be necessary. Mhmm.

Yeah. You know, had a similar conversation with a guy at work today. Not on that specific subject, but it had to do with lying to your kids. And I just feel like you don't need a lot of your kids. You don't have to tell them the entire the truth outside of their realm of understanding. But tell them the truth that they can that they can understand. Not even if whether you think they can handle or not, but tell them the truth that they can understand. And I I I was the what I was talking to the guy about was he calls his beer daddy's milk.

Because because the little girl drinks milk, you know. It's like, I'll have some of daddy's milk. And I said, listen, if you drink enough daddy's milk in a night that you are shamed, that you are hiding the fact that it is alcohol, then you've got a problem that you need to deal with. Otherwise, just tell tell her it's beer. Tell her what it is. Tell her tell her that's what you're drinking. It's not a big deal. Right? If you make it a big deal and make it some kind of, you know, far off bad thing, that's gonna it's gonna shade them for the rest of their life. Just tell them what it is. Just be honest with them. If you don't tell your kid don't tell your kids half truths. It's poor. Daddy's milk. Yeah. Daddy's milk. What? Seriously? Like, yeah, you couldn't even say soda, like, obviously not daddy's milk. It comes in a soda can.

It's beer. Yeah. Call it beer. That's what it is. Here we go. Okay. Segler says, it appears that BioDad is a little slow on the uptake. I know that he wants to be a part of Sean's life. He should also be paying child support if he doesn't already. So discuss that with your lawyer. Of course. Charlie should be introduced to Sean by his name for now. When the boy is old enough to understand in a year or two, he should then be told that he has two dads and that he'll be sharing time with both of them because they both love him. This is the worst advice I've ever heard. Bye to your kids for two years. Hi, child. This is Derek. Here's the deal. You there's not there's not a bunch of

dad input within the first four years. And what I mean by that is the stuff that dads like to imagine is like playing baseball and and whatever. You know what I'm saying? Tea help them teach math. But like the first four years of their life, it's hugs and affection Mhmm. And love and time. And you cannot gain that with lies. Yeah. It's not how it happens. Yeah. You know, like like the bonding time you think you and the boy are gonna have when they're older, that is what you're gonna have. But if you don't start out with a with a a foundation of the kid that know that knows that they're loved by you in a serious way and in an honest and genuine way, you will have nothing when that comes around. You will just be a friend to him and he will not respect you when he's older. Poor advice. Yeah. No. Yeah. Sorry. I was trying to think think if I had to disagree with it. But I I don't think I do. I think you got yeah. Yeah. I I would actually, I I I found myself earlier was it earlier this week? Maybe it was last week. I

was trying to to try to soften the situation by, like, talking about some some choices you make between how you communicate with your kids. And I and I I was thinking back on it, was like, no. I I don't know that I I like, I haven't done that. Like, it was with some biblical stuff or, like, just things that we talk about. I may may talk in their language or try to, you know, maybe I'll I'll leave out some some specific details that otherwise confuse the matter. But, like, I can't think of a circumstance where I've intentionally backed away from something, trying to deal with my kids to, like, to shelter them from from one thing or another.

Yeah. Because, I mean, like, I just don't wanna I don't wanna have to tell them, yeah, like, I hid this from you because I because I didn't think you can handle it because, like, I feel like they can handle it because I'm there for them. Right? Like, I'm handling it as their dad. And I'm and I'm doing that for them. And so, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I think a lot of times we try to protect them. We try to protect kids and then surprise them later on. Like, oh, by the way, the world wasn't at all like that. And it's it's the same problem we've been talking about recently with where, like, people are I know 50 year olds. People are 50 years old that have Sunday School Jesus as their as their God, who they don't trust. Because, like, all he does is rescue people from a fish. And there there isn't any reality in their lives about it. And then when they find out that the god doesn't I've never been attacked by a fish. God, obviously, doesn't work for me. I've never been swallowed by a fish. I went to the pet store. I saw a fish in his mouth. I thought there rather be a man or a shekel in there. And if I don't see either one, God is not real. I'm going to this pagan fish store. So

yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Okay. Alright. Did secular say wait until the child's old enough to understand? Yeah. No one's gonna understand. So wait a couple years. So he wasn't just saying, hey, Make sure that the guy's legit, and he'll stay around. This was wait until the kid understands. Yeah. Just wait about I want regardless of the kid. Understand multiple grandparents, and, you know, I've got two grandpas and two grandmas. So Yeah. Why would the kid not be able to understand? I've got two dads? Yeah. You may maybe he'll make the mistake in second grade and say He'll say red haired dad. Thinks everyone has two dads. Tall dad. That's a better problem than whatever than than lying to him. Wait a minute. He might have bragging mom. I've got two. You've only got one. You've four children. You've only got one dad. I don't know. Yeah. I like the thought that he comes out of the womb knowing how many dads he's supposed to have. Why would he hit This is so stupid. That that's what I'm saying. It's like like like the thought process says, hey, you know, wait wait till he can understand it. Like, comes from a construct that's that the two dads will blow his mind because he was born knowing that he's supposed to have one. If mommy tells him he's got two dads That's what I'm saying. He's got family. He's got family. That's what I'm saying. Like, waiting two years only gives him time to understand a social construct that doesn't look like what his life looks like. And then now he has to question his existence. Yeah. Now he feels weird. And this this is the way they solve problems. Right? Like, I knew my parents were divorced already. Like, I I we we talked about it. My mom told me whatever she told me, and it was never a question of my mind. And they still put me in school Yeah. In some kind of divorced kids group where a puppet dolphin tried to talk you through your problems. And everyone else is like having a terrible time. They're like, Mike and Ben, how how's the things going to your house? I'm like, how they've always gone?

Parents are divorced. That does not surprise me at all. I know it's your childhood. They're like, shut your dolphin up. Can't They are. They're like, what are your feelings on the matter? I'm like, I don't know. The same as they were last week. This is my and a children's thing. Shut your dolphin up. I get the fact that mom and dad are not together. Don't have feelings about it. Where's the wiring in this place? I need to figure it out. They actually they gave you a cookie. Like, when you went to the divorced kids group, they gave you a cookie, and it was like, alright. I can go there. Alright. I can deal with your freaking dolphin. It it did be my contact with us. It felt like cheating the system. Right? Like, we got nothing out of it ever. Yeah. We had no conversations, but, like, there was a snack in it. Yeah. My emotions aren't improved. And there were kids in there that were, like, legit hurting, you know, and I'm I'm just sitting there awkwardly like, man, I was I don't know if this cookie's worth it, you know? I better get grape juice today. I don't care. I just I don't know what to say. You know? I'm sorry that your life is going through. Oh, for listening. You're listening to Life From The Past. Do so with the dolphin. Here's the deal. If you're not gonna tell the truth to your kids, send it to me. I'll talk to them. I think that's a mistake, though. With the dolphin. I'd handle that if I were you. You've been listening to Life From The Path. If you got any other complaints thrown in during the week, maybe you saw a weird guy driving around, you hate the show, whatever, go ahead send us an email. [email protected].

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