Live from the Pathway Studios in Johnston Proper. You are live from Pathway. Coming to you from the Pathway studio here in Johnston Proper. Yeah. That's all I got. Hey. What what is that? What is That's I got. I saw I just sounded like a group rap session? Oh. Hey. I'm the hype man. You're the you're the guy. You're the hype man. I'm the hype man for the show. I'm like, yeah. You are listening to Vibe From The Path. Guess what? It's real. It is. Hey. We're wondering over here. What's the origin of that theme song for our show? It's a You you're working again. Yeah. It's yeah. It's New World Son. New World Son? Yeah. Wrote it. Yeah. It was, they've had a couple albums that came out since then, but they, it it was really weird. So, like, we came across that album maybe a month before

someone had kinda said, hey, would you guys be be interested in doing a radio program? And I thought, that sounds like the beginning of a newscast. That makes you sound semi legit. We should pull that up. And then, we've been flying under the radar until, I didn't tell you, fellas, this the last three weeks, YouTube started flagging it. They they recognize that someone owns that tune, and YouTube's kind of a beast to deal with when it comes to that comes to that jazz. Oh, no. Anyway, some of it I mean, I mean, do we have to stop using it or what? No. No. We're fine. You just have to YouTube's weird. You just have to acknowledge that you used it. Oh. And we haven't been doing so. I mean, like, if we were forced to do an acapella version or something to, you know, to get around the It could be done. Alright. It could be done. Alright. Hey. You're listening live from the past. Thanks for stopping by. I really appreciate you guys hanging out with us. Here's what we got going on the show tonight. First of all, if you've never seen the show, I'll tell you a little bit what about what we are about. We're about honest faith, fierce grace, and donkeys, which means that we're a bunch of dudes and sometimes a lady hanging out in a studio somewhere past 10:00 on a Monday night. And and here's the deal, we love Jesus, and we like to talk about it. And, but we have normal conversations. We are not, talking at you because I I I feel like we probably haven't earned that, and it's not a good idea to listen to us anyway. Be a good Berean. Check anything that comes out of our mouth against the scripture.

But this is just where those kind of conversations happen. So I'm glad you guys are joining us for that. And it's, like I said, Honest Faith, Fierce Grace and Donkeys, because you can love Jesus to talk about donkeys and breakfast cereal. He didn't that stuff can be redeemed. So anyway, that's what's that's our show. If you wanna catch us during the week, can go to lifeinthepath.org. What we got going on the show tonight, we got some awesome guests in the studio. Mary Wastee's here. She's with Wickliffe. And, Seal, she's got some interesting stuff going on in her life, and we're gonna catch up with her on on what's going on and how you can help out.

Also, Matt Baer's in studio. Lee Singers Spoken. He's got a worship album coming out. We're going to to learn more about what that what that's about, what's going on in his life, and and hear some music from him. So I'm excited for that. Also oh, shoot. Mike, we got some we got some advice going. We got some Dear Life from the Path coming up. Basically, people need help, Ben. In a fallen world, people need some advice. And this is the I mean, if if if you've exhausted all their sources and you just need a random stranger to tell you what we believe would be Jesus' perspective on what's going on, you've come to the right place. Yeah. So here's the deal. If you are desperate enough to be seeking help from late night Internet radio, we fit the bill. I think we can help in that area. I think that's gonna work out. Also, I have so I I ran across this story what was it? About a week and a half ago. So have you guys seen that movie, 10 Things I Hate About You? Yeah. It's it's a little bit Yeah. Abuba. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love that one. I think that's one of the best movies I've ever heard. Okay. So there's a guy

I I can't really show you the picture. It was Joey Donner. He he had, like, the black hair. He was the John Travolta. He wasn't the John Travolta. Does that help? Was this the guy that starred in Numbers? Yeah. Yeah. That's him. No. Wait. No. Wait a minute. That's not him. Jerk model. The jerk model. Yes. That's him. Ex boyfriend who was a jerk. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. That's the guy. Okay. So anyway John Travolta. I I saw that. I'm not sure he's appropriately called the John Travolta. I'm Travolta. Anyway, so check out this story that I read about him. It said, as Joey Donner in the 1999 film, 10 Things I Hate About You, Andrew Keegan attracted his fair share of fans. Now he's attracting converts.

According to Vice, the actor started a new age temple and spiritual movement in Venice, California. Full circle is described as advanced spiritualism. Okay. Check out this description of this of this thing. Synchronicity, time. That's what it's all about. Whatever. The past, some other time. It's a circle. In the center is now. That's what it's about. That's Planet of the Apes. I what? So I'm so confused. Okay. Hold on. Here's how this happened. Here's how this occurred. He says, had a moment where I was looking at a street lamp and it exploded.

That was a weird coincidence. At a ceremony, a heart shaped rose quartz crystal was on the altar, and synchronistically, this whole thing happened. It's a long story, but basically, the crystal jumped off the altar and skipped on camera. That was weird. I very much speak what comes through in the collective. We create a resonance of balance and equality of the crew. That's the description. Now here's the deal. I read it, and I kinda chuckled for a minute because I thought that's that's weird stuff right there. And then it occurred to me that I think we have to be careful, because sometimes the way that we talk about the holy spirit sounds a lot like that.

It sounds like a like an intangible energy weird force that people who don't know Jesus don't understand. And I I think I think that's that is the type of thing you could get off someone's description of the holy spirit when it is reflected simply as this broad energy that has no actual movement, forward progress in a world, in the process of

I I don't know. That's that's just something that popped into my head is that, like, there's just a bunch of weird words jumbled together. And sometimes I feel like we either demonstrate or describe the holy spirit in a way that if you otherwise don't really have a a good idea what that is, it sounds like that. Like a big blob of thing where there's a weird guy looking at a street lamp that doesn't know anything about anything. I think that's because most of us don't really understand the holy spirit. That's very popular. And then we try to describe it we don't really get, but we wanna sound spiritual. Oh, yeah. Holy spirit. Yeah. It's like a wind. Yeah. Wind. Wind. And a fire. Fire. Here's the deal. And like okay. He's like a a a spiritual captain planet. Yes. Oh, no. Is this yes. No. No. Wait a minute. I think I hear him now. Here's the deal. Like, this is this conversation a bit convicting to me because I've been in the throes of where things get over my head spiritually. Right? People will be talking to me about their stuff, and I'm like and I will say, it feels like a holy spirit thing to me.

That's that's it. And I kinda hope it passes because I'm like, this is obviously a god sized problem. Mike is out. So I say, this this sounds like a holy spirit thing. And do you guys wanna pray? And I'm like, lame, Mike. That's lame. But, like, it's kind of the truth to me. You know what saying? I don't know what else to say here. Mike, I think you've told me sounds like a Holy Spirit thing before in our conversation. Real straights, Pula. Yeah. Sounds like a Holy Spirit means logic and Mike and my my biblical knowledge can't help you. Yeah. That's a valid I I found myself in multiple occasions being that guy, unfortunately. I've when I was really new in my faith, I tried to sound a lot smarter than I was, and I I didn't let God do his thing when it came to speaking to people. I thought it was all on me. So I'm pulling up scripture from, like, someone one time told me, and I'm just like, well, you know, the holy spirit, he's he's like, you know, he lives inside of you. And it's it's it's really cool. You know, god just kinda gave you his spirit to just kinda reside in you, and he does stuff. And it's really cool. And then people are just like, what are you talking about, dude? Like That sounds great. I mean, exactly. Wait. So god lives inside of me, and he's, like, everywhere? I I'm so confused. And I had the whole conversation of, yeah, man. Like, speaking in tongues, like, that's that's a holy spirit thing. Like, he he gives you, like, the the ability to speak in a different language. I had no idea what I was talking about, and I was trying to explain that to somebody. Yeah. And nowadays, if I'm talking to someone that I know is either new in the faith or someone who doesn't have faith at all, that's a difficult conversation to strike up of of, you know, somebody asked you the question of what is the Holy Spirit? What does the holy spirit do in your life? Where does it work? And and what's the concept of it? I'm confused by god's presence of the holy spirit. And it's just it's it's something that I have to be cautious about because I don't wanna overstate

what I think I know in regards to the holy spirit and then creep somebody out and sound completely cultish. Because I know that I've definitely done that before, and I it's difficult to stay on one side or the other. And it's interesting because I think I think the the weird thing what tends to happen is that you can find that that some people who, they they wanna use the concept of the holy spirit for their own purposes, and you miss Jesus in that conversation. But if you diminish the Holy Spirit, you've missed the the work of Jesus anyway. And so, like, it's a weird reaction, I think, sometimes we have to that. But but, ultimately, I think I think what I what occurred to me as I was reading that was, is sometimes we pull the the tangibility out of the work of the holy spirit. If Jesus says he sent an advocate, a helper. Right? Like, there's fruits to that. There's fruits of holy spirit doing things. There's there's you can you can see things happening and not just, hey. Things are there's a there's a weird advocate kinda hanging around your head like like the dust off the the peanuts guy. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like the the dirty blanket kit? Yeah. That's not holy spirit. That's not there's tangible work. I'm glad you straightened that up. Yeah. Yo. I was talking to someone yesterday. We were talking about being merciful, and and she's saying, boy, I go to this work. I have this job, and all these people are awful, and I'm trying to be merciful to them. And how do you know, what's the how do I know when I'm being a doormat? When I mean when I'm being merciful? And and we're just having this conversation, and I I kinda almost used the holy spirit as a cop out. Although, I really meant to and I meant it for real. I was like, well, I think that gives room for the holy spirit. That's what I'm saying. But it was true. It was like that that's that does give room for the holy spirit. You gotta communicate and start praying. Okay, god. I wanna be merciful. I need your help here. But I still I didn't give her mean, I didn't give her the this is how you know when the holy spirit has spoken to you and and you know. And and that there's probably an overstep to feel like you could pick that out everywhere. But, like, it's just it's sometimes I think we leave people in a confused state and act like we're in on the secret when you're Yeah. Right? Holy Spirit. Fact.

Pass the ball to him. Live life. Alright. Go ahead. Anyway, don't start your own religion because you saw something blow up. That's not a good idea. That's I I wanna know what what do they talk about? They have this temple that they sit around and just wait for things to happen and go, oh. Yeah. That sounds awesome. You feel like things are synergized? I do. Yeah. Well, let's go out to dinner. Yeah. We're done. Hey, man. That chair moved? Yep. Alright. That's awesome. Thanks. Thanks, boo. Yep. That's fine. Pipe guy. Alright. Things have worn down. Mary Wastey, how are you? Good. How are you? I'm doing very well. Thank you for asking. So, Mary, tell me a little bit about

what's going on in your life right this instant. Right this minute, I am a member of Wycliffe Bible Translators, and I'm in the process of getting ready to go overseas to do language survey and help pave the way for bible translation. So tell me more more about this. Like, what what's the purpose of that? Like, what do you what are they ultimately trying to do there? Ultimately, we're trying to make the gospel accessible to people who can't read the scripture in their own language because it's not available. So I guess a really great way to think about it would be to just think about a time when reading the scripture really changed your life, which is probably a lot of examples.

But, you know, for me, I think one really notable example would be reading Isaiah forty nine sixteen when it said, behold, I have engraved you on the palms of my hands. And reading that, the spirit just, like, punched me in the stomach. It was like, oh my gosh. God loves me. And I was like, in a daze for two days, and I'm like, what? And, you know, and that's one of those things where if you're not reading the Bible in a language your heart understands,

those the spirit the spirit doesn't convict you in the same way. You know, when the when the Pentecost happened and the spirit ascended and people were prophesying in all these different languages, the people in that village square, that in that marketplace, like, they all were probably bilingual, trilingual, and they were they are doing business in Aramaic or Greek or whatever language, you know, whatever the trade language was. They all understood understood some sort of trade language or they wouldn't be doing business in the same area but the spirit spoke to them in the language of their heart and their home and their family and that is how god relates to us intimately And so in order to make the gospel accessible to people, we have to make the scripture accessible in the language of their heart. So what what got you interested in this? Well, it's kind of a long story.

When I was 15, I went to a music festival, Cornerstone Festival down in Bushnell. And they had a booth where they were, you know, handing out brochures and showing videos. And I, you know, read some of their stuff, and I thought they were really organization. I thought what they were doing was cool. And then I kind of forgot about them. When I was 19, I got a scholarship to go to Germany for a year as an exchange student. And while I was there, I realized that I really, really loved learning languages. At the time, what I was learning was German, but it wasn't German I loved. It was the process of learning. And so I decided I wanted to study linguistics.

And I realized when I was studying linguistics that it's a lot less about learning languages and more about having the tools to analyze languages. But I also really, really loved that. And so linguistics became a huge passion for me. And I remembered Wycliffe. And so I thought, well, if I can use this passion for linguistics for my even greater passion, which is the gospel, then, you know, that's, like, the ultimate awesomeness. Yeah. So Yeah. I got in touch with them. I just went on their website and, like, looked around, and apparently, you can just, like, email one of their recruiters from the website. So I did, and she kept in touch with me for the next four years. And then when I graduated, she helped me become a member. So Sweet. Do you have, like, a sweet membership card with that? Like, like, when you're a member, like, they get a newsletter and things? Oh, yeah. I have a monthly newsletter. I have a website profile. I I have prayer cards with me if you guys want them. So I feel like we're gonna have A professional picture and everything. It's like, woah. I'm legit. Like You know, you're a legit missionary when you have professional pictures taken. We have TVs and we're not even legit. Yeah. Yeah. Dang.

We're like we're like Walmart legit. Yeah. Stuff you could buy at the Walmart. So so you were you're heading to Papua New Guinea. Mhmm. Is is there something about that area that kinda, I don't know, drove your heart there or or you've always loved Papua New Guinea since the womb? Funny story. So I when I was a sophomore in college, I was looking at like short term mission trips I could do with Wickliffe to learn more about them. And so I went on like their website and there were these Get Global trips and there were two options for that particular summer. One was Guatemala and one was Papua New Guinea. And for Guatemala, you had to raise less money in order to go. So I was like, well, yeah. I would rather not raise a bunch of money. So I signed up for the Guatemala trip, and they accidentally put me on the Papua New Guinea trip. So is the Holy Spirit laughing?

That's good. Well, and it was funny. So then they noticed their mistake later, and they were like, hey. We send signed you up on the wrong trip. Do you wanna switch? And I was like, well, I should pray about this. You know, this might have happened for a reason. So I prayed about it, and I I felt God ask me, don't you trust me trust me to provide for you? And I was it was almost like he was specifically, like, asking me to test his ability to provide by going on the more expensive trip. So I did. And he did provide just in time. And so I got the money I needed for that trip, and it was awesome. And I went on the trip, and I just I really, really enjoyed it there. And then when I was becoming a career member later on, I really would have gone anywhere. Like, I had been to Papua New Guinea, and I knew I loved it there. But I was still like, you know, if they wherever, you know, my gifts would best be served, I'll I'll really go anywhere and then they're like, yeah, we really need people in Papua New Guinea so Okay. That's where I'm going. So how long do they spend in a in a place like that to to study the language before they can start doing bible translation because I think they've been there quite a while haven't they? New Oh yeah. Well Papua New Guinea has 800 languages. Okay. Oh, there you go. So it really depends.

Absolutely. That's the greatest reaction. We have one holy spirit, that's all you need. So yeah. They've got a lot of missionaries in in Papua New Guinea. So yeah. It is so the process of translating the New Testament for, like, one translator and I'm not gonna be a translator. I'm gonna be a language surveyor, which is sort of a a different thing, but I'll get to that later. But for an individual translator,

you know, he he doesn't just translate by himself. He works with local people, local speakers. And, you know, he spends time learning language first. Sometimes it's she. I shouldn't say he, but either way. He spends time actually becoming fluent in the language, usually just through immersion, like just picking it up from because there's rarely like a a really, you know, someone to just teach it to you. You have to kinda pick it up through through living there. And then once they're at a certain level, they'll start working with people on just, you know, starting with the beginning of the New Testament and then they'll just start translating. And usually by the time, you know, it takes, you know, ten, fifteen, sometimes twenty years to actually do a translation of the New Testament because it's very, very intense. I

had no idea. I mean, I suppose that makes sense, but that's a long time. Yeah. Okay. Well, you know, because you can't just do word by word for word, you know, replacement. You have to really you have to rephrase things in a way that makes sense to their culture without losing the the literal meaning that it has Right. Spiritually. So it's there's a lot of intensive peer review once you actually finish a translation, and sometimes you have to go through and fix things. And sometimes, you know, after, like, five years of doing translation, you'll, like, go back to the beginning where you were five years ago and be like, that is the worst translation. I now that I understand the language better, I need to, like, go through and start over. Oh, yeah. You know? And that is the thing that happens.

So, yeah, it's a very, very labor intensive process. And just one language takes a really long time. So but that's why they have so many people out there working. Right. Right. When they're translating, do they translate from the Greek or do they translate from the Latin Vulgate or do they translate from English when they're That that's gonna depend on the missionary in question. How some they have to be trained in the original Greek, but sometimes as long as they are getting at the real original intended meaning, it's not necessarily

necessary to translate from the Greek as long as you are able to to correctly render the meaning. So think we're I think we'll talk about that a little bit later too because, actually, I have questions about like, I mean, we sometimes we bicker in The States about, you know, how to how certain things translate out of the Bible, you know. And and I'm also interested about some of the cultural references in Papua New Guinea and stuff. So Okay. I think that's that's that's pretty interesting. I think we'll probably hit that a little bit later. Yeah. Definitely. But before we move on, just real quick. So if people wanna help, how how can they help you in your progress to to to be into the Papua New Guinea? Alright. So there's there's two main things I really need. The first thing would be prayer support. Like, I really, really need people praying for me. That's the most important thing, and I'm not gonna get anywhere without it. And the second thing would be monthly financial support, which would just help me pay my bills when I'm out there because we don't wanna charge the people there any money for the work we're doing. So Yeah. Well, that'd be awkward. Hey. It's like, okay. I'm gonna deliver a book to you in twenty years. Give me $8. That's rough.

Now now are these are these cultures that that that that have books? I mean, are they are they sort of, like, villages with a language but no books and you're gonna give them a book or you know what I'm saying? That is a complicated question. It's confused. No. No. It's legit. So actually, a lot of the languages Was it an oral thing? And a lot of the languages actually don't have a writing system yet. Yeah. So that's one of the things missionaries have to do at first is when they're learning, they have to come up they have to develop their own orthography and and instigate So you write some children's books first. Initiate a literary

program so that people there can actually read or unless through cultural research, they decided it'd be better to teach it through oral traditions and that's that's a a whole separate thing. So Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Hey, Dave. Somebody keep an eye on Dan. That's Nathaniel's job. Okay. Sorry. Like the wind always going to have it written down. Sometimes they'll encourage people to to learn it through songs and stories, but they're always gonna have it written. So I should clarify. Sound of this because this is way above my head and it sounds awesome. I mean, I could just see myself trying to talk to this person like, Jesus? Yeah. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Sit still. Orthography. Sit still. He unifies he unifies cultures. So This is awesome. I'm excited. Alright. Yeah. No. It's great. More popping to get any questions coming up a little later. That's Mary Wastie. You can help her with some prayer support and

a little financial support. Don't be cheap. Don't be cheap. Right? Look, you're sitting you're listening to Internet radio. You got a better thing to do with your life. Send her some money. Boova's agreed. Yeah. I got better thing. Orthography. I got better things to do with my life. Right? Hey. Seven people heard that, Boova. What? You're committed. When was the last time I did something worth a word like orthography? I've never done anything like that. Yeah. I had my socks all system. Okay. Alright. Alright. Well, very cool. We'll catch up with Mary just a little bit later. Buva,

know, you didn't have Pope's Tale. You had some kind of weird Tinder discussion. Yeah. Alright. No. No. No. I'm a skip that. Stay off the Tinder. Yeah. That was literally my gist of it. There you go. Stay off the Tinder. Guys, it's ridiculous. It's superficial. It's pointless. You need to get out there and actually have social conversations with people. This this website's ridiculous. Get off them. Go word for the lord and then he'll provide yeah. I'm like a holy spirit dump by Jordan. I know. My fiance in Tinder and I'm really offended. Orthography.

Alright. Alright. Other guests in the studio. Matt Baird is in studio. Hey, Matt. How's it going? Matt's doing alright. I'm in the wrong place. Hey. I felt that way for years. That's my fault. That's I do. Fine. So so Matt, Matt is the lead singer of Spokin' has a new has a worship album coming out. You're you're heading to the studio in the January 5. Right? That's the the hope. The hope. The plan. The that'd be awesome. I I launched a Kickstarter campaign a couple weeks ago,

but it it I'll I will only go to the studio if it's funded. If it made it happen. So that would mean I would go on January 4 and start recording on the fifth. Okay. Everything is still hypothetical right now. Okay. So So so so tell me about that though. Like, why why a worship album? Well, I mean, Spoken has seven albums out. So that's I mean, think that's enough for right now. But in the in the writing process of the last record, we we wrote and recorded for two and a half years. Like, we lived in three different states. So it was always something that we would hit the studio a day at a time or two days, three days in the middle of a tour. So it's really hard to finish the record. But because of that, because of writing songs and kind of sitting on them for a while and being able to go over them, you know, time and time again, start playing them live,

you get your fans' feedback for one, which is very important. But then you you kind of you get a gist on what you need to change about things and, like, oh, that bridge, super lame. We need to switch that, you know. In in that process, I I just started there are songs that were mean, they're way too spiritual, it seemed. You know, they were like Jesus songs. Yeah. Right. I'm like, these won't fit on a spoken record. So I just started kind of finishing songs.

But it really it started when I we spoke and played a church in Louisiana, and we got asked to lead worship the next day. I'm like, I'm sorry. We can't. We we live in three different states. We don't get to practice our own songs. We can't lead worship. And the pastor is kinda like, oh, okay. And I'm like, for whatever reason, someone else knew the plan, but not me. I'm like, I'll do it. I was like, great. I had never led worship ever. Yeah. And so that next morning, I had to finish a song very fast and it was a desperation situation. God, I love you. I need you. And it became the chorus of that song. You know, it was really strange.

But then that just kinda there are more and more ideas coming in. And then my church here in Des Moines would be like, hey, are you available to play on this week? I'm like, sure. And I would write songs for the services. And so it's really encouraged me to finish a record. And so I just everything just seems too I don't know. It it it's lined up too much to not do it. And I I feel like I feel like it is something that God wants me to do. So Is it that much of a, like, different experience between the two? Like, I mean, mean, it's not like I I'm I'm a stranger to your music. You know? It's it's not like it's not god honoring. You know what saying? Like, so is the Yeah. Is the is the worship album and and and the and the other stuff, is it is it that much different? It's so different. Most of the worship record will be me and a guitar with, you know, some some drum loops and some keys maybe. Everything is so much more laid back, but yet so much more worshipful than what spoken is. Sure. We have songs that are about Jesus. We have songs that are about love and, you know, the way I feel about my wife. I have a song about my children, you know. So it's like

and a lot of it is is songs about dealing with human beings, which sometimes that's it has to be an aggressive song to voice how you feel about that human being, you know, or how you wish you didn't know that person maybe if that was a situation. I've had experience with Boob on that. I understand completely. He said the same. But, I mean, it is something where I feel like the the worship record is straight up. It's a worship record. It's not like it's not songs about this or this or this or this. It's it's these are songs about a relationship with Jesus and songs about asking God for help in situations. So it is it's totally different. And I think a lot of I think a lot of the Spoken fans are like, wait, worship record. So it's gonna be like a heavy worship record. I'm like, it's not it's nothing like Spoken. It's a totally different style of music Yeah. But, you know, lyrical content, I feel like it it just takes it another step, you know, towards songs about Jesus.

So So how was it how was it trying to trying to to raise, like, a young family and and be part of that with some of the the road life that just comes with, you know, doing what you do? Well, I mean, I god created a specific woman for me who puts up with not only me, but she she knows or has had to figure out how to deal with things with me gone. And and I I know that I I know that there's no one else that would be able to handle it, you know, and so it was specific. It was God ordained. It was it's he his plan I mean, from the age of when I came to Jesus at 14,

him knowing what's going on and has been really awesome. Yeah. And and I I never thought I'd be able to play music ever, let alone for almost two decades now. Yeah. Right. Yeah. But it it I think it takes a a special person for sure, and that's my wife. That's awesome. I I often feel that same way. Like, it like, you you you I think that is that that becomes something that is revealed to you more and more, like, as as as your relationship progresses. I I realize the nuances of how true that is Yeah. And the depth of that more and more in my relationship with my wife and and the circumstances in my life. Sounds very, very very similar. Yeah. So yeah. Would you be would you be willing to share something that's that's potentially coming up on the on the record? Yeah. Yeah. I'll I'll play a tune. Okay. Cool. However we need to do that Yeah. Blowing something up. Yep. Saddle up.

Yeah. I mean, they're they're this is one that I finished a little while back. It's it's just literally about needing needing Jesus to to carry you through a situation because we screw everything up, you know. It's like it's it's easy for us to to mess things up. And so it was during a time of confusion and really needing to ask God for guidance. And so,

yeah, it's called Carry Me. Cool. I wanna hear you. See you when I close my eyes. Feel you tonight.

I wanna touch your face. See your eyes. Know that you are here by my side.

But never I'm lost in my dreams, you are there. You carry me.

Carry me. Whenever I'm lost, I'd see you all there with

me to carry me. Carry me. I wanna breathe you in. Get lost in your love.

Be the one I'm dreaming of. Carry me. To feel your touch,

to see your smile. Jesus, won't you carry me for a while? Whenever I'm lost in my dreams,

you are there to carry me. Carry me whenever I'm lost.

That's beautiful, man. Yeah. It was. You know the thing that gets me every time and this and this night might just be my heart, but, like, anytime someone talks about Jesus smiling at me, like, it just makes me happy. You know I'm saying? It just makes me happy. Yeah. That Jesus would look at me and smile because I I he probably shouldn't be. You know I'm saying? Like, but it does. But it does because he loves me anyway. Like, I I loved it. It was excellent. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you. So you can you can help support that that worship album. You go to kickstarter.com, just search for Matt Baird, b a I r d. There's a worship album out there. It's it's pretty close, man. It's getting there. It's getting real close. It's really close. And and that's the thing that I mean, for when when people say every band says it. Every band's like, man, our fans are the best. It was like, man, until you watch

until you watch something like that of where people actually they give and they support what you're doing. And when you see the people who are giving and you know them. Right. You're like, oh, I remember that guy or that guy or that guy. Even if it's from Facebook, you recognize that name because of people commenting on stuff, liking stuff, or sending you personal messages. Yeah. It's just it's really cool and it it it is a kinda a reaffirming situation of where

just being excited about it. And and I and I want people to be a part of it because it's it's beyond me. It's got I don't know. In the end, it really has nothing to do with me. You know, that's the deal. I love that about about some of the stuff that goes on on on the Kickstarter projects and stuff. It's like, it gives you a really cool opportunity to be a part of something that you you largely wouldn't know about. Like, it's it's just it's crazy cool what God has people doing. Yep. He's got people all over the place doing cool stuff. In Papua New Guinea. In Papua New Guinea. And, and just to kinda see what what he has going out there and the ability to to, a, even know about it. Like, they if they go back fifty years and think about the things that go on that you would have no idea. And then and not only that, but you get to be a part of that in a way. You get to to to help support that or you get to encourage people in that. That's just a cool deal. Yeah. That's been a really interesting thing that's, that's happened, especially in music and and actually, especially in in, people doing music for Jesus over the last five, ten years that that just wasn't there before. It's an interesting venue to see those things happen. It's very cool. Yeah. And and the the sooner that bands sooner the sooner that bands that claim to be Christian bands, whatever, realize that the only reason they even can afford gas to get from point a to point b is because of those people

who not only are praying for them, but they're buying t shirts. I can't really say much about buying records offline or anything. But I'm saying, like, they're there. They're the ones that are showing up and paying a ticket price that even makes it to where these people can pay their bills at home. Right. You know? And so it's it's really hard when you see bands kind of treat fans in a negative way or, like, I don't have time. Sorry. I was like, what do you that should be all you have is time. Yeah. Right. You know, and so luckily, it's been something that the the guys that have been lucky enough being a band with, they all they they enjoy people for the most part. And so it it works out really good. Yeah. So it's a it's a cool thing. I I love being able to meet the people that have had anything to do with our career, you know, over the years. And so it's just really weird in Des Moines. Like, I've lived here for thirteen years now. Yeah. My wife is from here, born and raised. But I'm gone so much, like, people think even at my church, most of time they think that I I came to town, I visited, I played a song for offering, and I'm I went back home. Well, I'm like, I live here. I live. I'm just I just tour eight months out of every year. So Yeah. It's a but yeah. I I enjoy the people that have anything to do with us. So it's cool. Yeah. Speaking of touring, on this next album,

since you you normally tour with bands that are also heavier Yeah. Are is that gonna continue since it's more of a worship album? Yeah. I mean, I I just want it to be where the the worship the worship record is an extension of the ministry I feel God has given me, you know. And, like, my my ministry to my family is the most important one and then everything else from from there kinda just trickles down into to music and everything else. The hard thing is the the reminder of, like, make sure that your family is your most important ministry and don't let all this other stuff get in the way because it's it's really hard to juggle everything to do with this. I I don't know what the plan is with the worship record as far as touring. I mean, I'd love to do a a tour because it'll be a full band situation. But I already tour, you know, acoustic between every spoken tour, me and a guitar, and I I bring my wife and kids. And that's the best part Oh, yeah. With that. But no. Spoken is working on a new record as well. So, I mean, it's Spoken will be back on tour soon.

I don't have anything booked at the moment for Spoken in 2015, which is the first time ever that it's been that way because, one, we're writing a record. We're gonna be recording a record, and I wanna see what happens with the the Kickstarter for the worship record and recording that. And either way, we'll be on tour right off the bat in 2015. It's just how it has to be, you know. You disappear for very long, you're gone. You're done. Yeah. Yeah. Cool.

Herrick, what's Jesus talking about this week? Alright. So Jesus is a complicated guy. It is not easy following Jesus. First off, just understanding

some of the things that he says. And then some of the others, it it some of what he says is easy to understand but hard to live out. So what we're gonna do is we're gonna just look at some of the things that Jesus said that are either very difficult to understand or very difficult to to live out and oftentimes these are not exactly popular sayings that Jesus says. When When he says go out and, you know, feed the poor and and take care of the needy and and healing the sick, those are popular things. It that's easy to rally behind but some of the things he says, not so popular. Yeah. So here's what we're gonna what we're gonna look at this week. Okay. So Jesus said, not everyone who calls me Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven but the one who does the will of my father who is in heaven.

On that day, many will say to me, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and cast out demons in your name and do many mighty works in your name? And then I'll declare to them, I never knew you. Depart from me, you workers of lawlessness. Sobering chills right there. Alright. So a couple of things really quick. Alright. Addressing you addressing someone as lord, that that's kind of a cultural thing. I I don't really go out on the street and and just see my neighbor and say, hey, lord. How are you doing? Or my boss or any of my friends or anything like that. It it it's a cultural but it's obviously a sign of of authority. And so he's saying that there's some people who are coming to him and they're gonna address him as lord. And apparently, they're not getting into the kingdom of heaven. Right. How do you guys feel about that?

If I'm being honest, there's a there's a part of me that, that pops into my mind Mhmm. Definitely every so often where I think to myself, like, am I, am I pursuing ultimately

in what what in God's position would be lawlessness, that just looks like work of the kingdom? Mhmm. Which I think is a I think is a healthy reaction, but it's also a just one from God's perspective. Right? Like, it it gives you some confidence that that his his justice will will prevail. Those that I don't know, that that to try to steal that from his people, there is a consequence to it. I mean, it's just the it's the outpouring of of the life they chose to live. It's I think it's a hard it's a hard word. Right? Because it it, it speaks to the thought that that we can be misled and that we would know enough to see that. Mhmm. I I think it's a shot across the bow of the the

modern American church or or believer who looks at their experience as a believer as you you go on a Sunday morning and be entertained for a while and you go home and it really has nothing to do with your life at all. You you you don't even know if you've ever really given yourself to Jesus or you maybe squeezed the hand once or raised your hand at a concert or or you did something, but you've never really, like, said, I wanna follow Jesus. I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm I'm in this thing. And I think that's where Jesus is kinda drawing a line in in the sand saying, I I'm looking for followers. You know? I'm not looking for just someone who says, yeah. I want I want, you know, fire insurance. Yeah. But they but they claim to prophesy

and heal people. And do mighty works in your name. Yeah. Mighty works. Feel like mine aren't that mighty, but I wanna go I wanna go in the kingdom. Jesus smiled at me. I wanna I wanna go. I mean, yeah. So remember when I said this is the time that me and Moova generally be quiet for a while while you guys discuss these things. My my I I don't know. My my surface thing is it's like, it scares me a little bit. I mean, not scared as in I'm I'm I lose faith that my father is just, but, like,

I don't know. I I look at the at the works part of it, and I go, I don't know. Prophecy he might works. I don't know. Like, I fed a guy. You know? I care about people. I love you, Jesus. This is you know? Are are these guys that invested in being phony? Like, that seems like a pretty heavy investment. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I I mean, it is pretty, that is the reaction, though. It's works of lawlessness. Right? Like, it's it's easy to write some of this stuff off and be like, you know, what what do I think of my own mind? Right? But, like, there are there's tangible there is tangible relation in that particular discussion about

what was being done and that what was done was a work of lawlessness. Right? Like, this this is this is output. This isn't just inner thought that I kinda what, you know, Dan was talking about. Like, what you agreed to in your mind is that that you've you've taken something that otherwise God has given, and and I don't know, like, you've you've used it in some way that wasn't for the for the movement of his kingdom. I think that that I agree with Mike in this one also. This is one of those that scares me a little bit just because I I found myself at times in my faith as really taking stock of what I'm doing and and what my faith really means to me and what kind of things that that come at my life works wise. And and I make sure or at least I try to to to think about the fact that I don't wanna be one of the checks checkbox Christians.

The person that on a survey of, you know, what is your religion? You go Christian, other kind of deal. Right? The person that goes, yes. I'm a Christian, and and I do these little things, but where's my faith, honestly? And and I take stock of that every once in while. It's just like you said, Ben, of of I don't want to fall into that category of, yes, I do the things that I'm supposed to do. And, yes, I read my bible, and I pray, and all this different stuff, but I don't want it to just be skin deep. I don't want it to be things that are just superficial that I'm trying to do to get myself into heaven based off of works. And I wanna make sure that I'm not one of the person that says, lord, lord, and and just does these mighty works and all the good stuff, but doesn't honestly have a faith and a relationship with Christ and as god my king and is the son of god. And it scares me. It it really does because I know my own heart and I know the way that I act sometimes. And I know that that sin is obviously still relevant in my life in a big way. But it it just scares me because I don't want to to to fall and then to the point where where I'm standing in front of Jesus and he goes, I I never knew you. Like, I never knew who you were, and that's scary to me. Should it should it not scare me and Buva? Like, Paul I think it should scare you. Confident in the hope that we have. You know what I'm saying? Like like, are is that a sign that Buva and I are just not clicking on all cylinders, or, like, is is it is it a a a real check? Like, if that thing doesn't shake you a little bit, are you not taking God seriously? So so I so I think the the the root of it is is is not what is what is being done, but where it comes from. Right? Right. Like like, my facade is a work of lawlessness.

Yeah. Outpouring of what of the holy spirit's fruit in my life, that's a movement for the kingdom. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's why I say I prophesied in your name, but, like, that wasn't what God had going on in my life. That was me that was my facade. That was me doing what I wanted to do, directing my own path under the guise of kingdom work. And you could there could be a guy standing next me that's the exact same thing, and and he's cool because, because, like, that's what God has going on. Like, the thing that we we continue to talk about, right, is being faithful in the means, and God will handle the ends. And so if you're faithful in the means is whatever God has going on for you. And if it's not those things, then that's that's that's lawlessness. Right? Like, you're you're regardless of what they look like, regardless of they what smell like, that's not what God has going on in your life. That's not faithful in the means. That's you trying to direct the ends and asking God to bless it, and that's a problem. And I I I think that's the root root of what it's getting at. He's not asking to say, parse out what's what's righteous or what's holy. Right? Like, I think I would I would be firmer on this than some where it says, you know, he's you're not saved by your good works, but he saved you for them. So, like, if nothing's going on, like, that's a problem. But to that to that end, I think I think God handles those things. He's are are you are you following through in faithfulness because God is faithful, or are you trying to direct to the end and you're asking you're polishing it up for him to to bless? And I think that's the difference. I think it's a heart check. I think that's what what these verses like what Jesus says here is for is a continual you continually

pray what what David prayed, you know, to test me and know me and and know my heart try me and know my heart. You know? Where where am I really at? Because I can fool myself pretty well. I can fool everybody else pretty well, but I can fool myself too. Why why am I doing these things? Why why am what's my motivation between these works of art works of of of grace? You always talk about your life as a work of art. Think what it makes me think about the most is is the number of people in history who've done legitimately evil things in the name of Christianity thinking they were doing the work of God, you know, like, you know, committing Hitler. I I don't really think he thought he was doing Yeah. I would agree. I I think he was mainly Did he was mainly manipulating,

like, works of Nietzsche and then manipulating religious people. I don't really think he actually believed in God. I could be wrong. I'm thinking of, like, the crusades Yeah. You know, and lots of things throughout history that were maybe less historically significant but, you know, mean, there's people who really thought they were doing the work of God by, like, killing people who weren't Christians Yeah. Which, you know, a lot of people throughout history have done thinking they were doing the work of God because they told themselves that God was telling them that. And, you know, and that scares me because there have been times in the past when I told myself God was telling me something and he definitely wasn't. It's not accurate. And he, you know, he had mercy on me and sat me down and said, this this is what it's like when the spirit's speaking to you and this is when it's just you lying to yourself. And,

you know, now now I have grown in spiritual maturity and I know the difference, you know, but it's only because of God's grace. And so I think it it would be very easy for me, you know, given my unsaved self, to go to the point where I was like, well, God's telling me that I need to do this thing that he's not telling me to do and just wreak havoc. So it might not be, like, committing genocide, but it could be really hurting someone's feelings. No. And and a perfect example of that would be if I got on a plane to Papua New Guinea, decided I was going to start translating the Bible, or I went on tour with my worship album. Neither one of the things I built for, but on paper, they should look like they glorify god. But, like, I could certainly do both of those things. And I and and, you know, I could just see god going, I didn't design you for that. Like, you're doing this in a in an oddball attempt to to what? Like, you know? And and that and that's the deal. Like, even if you if you think about the crusades as an example, right, that's someone directing an end that says, I'm not being faithful in the means of what I have going on. I'm not doing things how God would do them. I'm not following through with how Jesus I'm not fighting how Jesus fought. I'm not loving how Jesus loved. Right? I'm trying to say this is what God wants. This is the end he wants. I will accomplish this in the way that I wish. And it's and it's a perversion, basically, of our faithfulness that says, it pulls the sovereignty back and says, we'll we'll take care of the inns, Lord. Thanks for laying out the itinerary, as opposed to, if I'm faithful in all these things, the inns will just beat. They will be God will handle those in our faithfulness in those in those day to day things. Or or even the the seven sons of Sceva, you know, who were casting out demons in the name of Jesus Yeah. Pretty mighty things going on. And even the demons were like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Here. That was a big mistake. Yeah. I don't know if you read the end of that story. It's a mistake. Yeah. Alright. What what are what are your thoughts, Harry? I it's always comfortable talking

about discussions of, you know, the criteria of heaven and hell Yeah. And who makes it in and who doesn't when you talk about abstraction and and others. But then when when you look at something like this and you you get this sense that God is leveling the thing squarely at you, it it should chill you. It should wake you up in a in a sober actually, this is one particular criteria that I woke up from in a dream

and realized that I was on the wrong side of this one. And it it turned my life around. But, you know, it's I think it's a good thing that that Jesus is going around and saying, hey. Look. There are things that are just not acceptable in in my kingdom, and you need to know what they are, and you need to know what my kingdom's about. So yeah.

So I think I think you need, like, a holy fear, maybe but but not like a fear for I mean, there's there's confidence in our salvation. You know? There there's I mean Well, at the time, my my confidence was in the wrong thing and Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This is exactly what god was addressing for me is that my confidence needs to be in him and him alone. He he he completed the work that that saves me, not me. Not not that you attend x y z church and you do these things in it and I I had a very polished Christian resume but Yeah. I I was not trusting in What was that? Who said that? Tim Timmons. So we were we were talking to Tim Timmons one time, and he said, I've got this Christian thing nailed down. I'll tell you that. Like, I I I'm really by the textbook. That's that I can pull that off. He goes, but that's not what it's about. Yeah. And it it was about we we were talking about, like, like, living living with the holy spirit is, again, is a is a tangible,

something that help her in your life. Like, what does that look like versus, like, what have we put on? What kinda what hoop a critis have we kinda pulled off as our as our general day to day? Did you say hoop a critis? Yeah. Somebody smarter than me said that once, and I kinda pick it up both. Right? I feel like I just throw it out there. I think wisdom. Solomon He's got no nothing on my stolen brains. Alright. Alright. Man alive. Yeah. Jesus is full of that stuff. Okay.

Alright. Mary Wastey. So I've been pondering this Papua New Guinea business. Okay. So Mike Mike was talking about this before the show started, and it seemed dangerous over there. Yeah. What are like, we must I mean, not for god dangerous. You know what I'm saying? But, like, for people. Politically, it's not currently dangerous.

If if, you know, if that's your concern. Like, it's politically very, very welcoming to missionaries, and most of the people there are very welcoming to missionaries and language workers. You know, there are gonna be a few exceptions of tribes that are a little bit hostile toward outside religions, but that's generally an exception culturally. Well, sorry sorry to stop you. So, like, is it, when we say outside religions, is there, like, is it non religion or or is there, like, certain brand of belief that goes on? Traditionally, they're going to have, animalist, spiritualist

Okay. Beliefs there. So, yeah. And it's it's, a lot of the currently, the main issues, there's a lot of syncretism. There's a lot of, people who kinda believe that and Christianity because since they don't have the Bible and they're not getting really accurate teaching, they don't realize that they're not compatible. Aslan really could be Jesus type of deal.

No. Nope. It's probably not something people won't pop when they get in. My kids become funny. Fair enough. Hey. Yeah. This plays well in the Sunday school. Go ahead. As far as traveling goes, it can be a little bit dangerous because there's not a of there's there aren't very good roads. A lot of the time, you kinda have to fly to get anywhere because it's really dense jungle. There aren't always landing areas. You know, that's the truth too because I put the Google the Google, maps on Papua New Guinea when I was driving in. No route available, it says. They can't even tell you how to get there. Don't Google. They're just not very convenient involved.

Click on the jet ski option, and you can get your route. They haven't built roads from Australia to Papua New Guinea. Yeah. Papa Papa, you ain't coming, Mike. Alright, Lord. I hear you. Hey. Hey. You think the Lord doesn't do that? So we've had a couple times where we're about ready to fire up the show and YouTube had been down for, like, half an hour. You prayed on that beast and YouTube fired right up. Could be coincidence, but I feel like the the Lord does some work at Google that they're not aware of. Something to think about.

It's very possible. Okay. For the sake of the show. Well, that's it. Transitions are always But they'll they'll train us pretty well to handle whatever comes their way as far as traveling and hiking through the jungle and, you know, just kinda taking bush knives and hacking our way through. That's not actually gonna happen. That'd actually be pretty cool. Yeah. You have to bring your own personal Like, it probably looks cool in the movies, but I feel like they'd get really boring after, like, a half hour. Just No. That's probably true. That makes sense. It's glorious. Yeah. Arms tired.

So is there I don't know, is there what's the most exciting thing about this prospect for you? Well, for me, I think since I'm I'm not gonna be doing translation directly. I'm involved translation, but I am doing research that paves the way for translation. So I'm gonna be traveling to a lot of different language groups, getting information about their culture, their language, and their needs.

And so and then, you know, relaying that information to other people so that translators can come and they'll know what to do when they get there. Right. So we're like the reconnaissance of bible translation, if that That's why you get the big bushwhacking knife. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'll be in, like, wearing camo and, you know, like, spying. We're never gonna be able to find you on the Google Maps just like that. We're not for the merry way, Steve. You'll never know. There's some pompous guy writing a book inside of a tent. Who is that man? He's not on the reconnaissance team. So so I'm trying to grasp this. So, like, you'll go into, like, multiple different villages at different time throughout the time and, like, you're, like, taking inventory of their words or It's gonna depend on

the place we go, but well, a lot of the time, we will get reports from different areas that we should do survey about something. And since there is a lot of contact between tribes in most of Papua New Guinea so, like, there are some tribes that are really, really remote and hard to get to, but most of the time, there is a lot of contact between tribes. So we will get information from different areas where, like, these people, you know, there there might be different dialects there that we're not really aware of. So I think we need to get a survey team down there to figure out what the situation is to make sure

translators to the right place. So because we don't wanna waste resources translating for people who don't need it, but we also don't wanna skip over people who do need it. And that's why, like, in order to allocate resources properly, we have to have people traveling to different areas. Most of the time like, so I'm gonna be there for years, you know, indefinitely until, you know I mean, I'll take furloughs, but, you know, probably a long time. But

an individual survey trip is probably only gonna take, you know, a few weeks, a month, maybe a month and a half, depending on how far away it is and how much data we need to gather. But, yeah, sometimes we're taking inventory words. Sometimes we're, like, getting word lists and, like, how having an interpreter help us just, you know or, you know, if they speak Tok Pidgin, then we'll just speak to them at Tok Pidgin and have them say, like, okay, how do you What was that word you used there? Yeah. Tok Oh oh, sorry. I never talked about Tok Pidgin. There's a trade language there that almost everyone speaks. No one speaks it natively. It's no one's first language, but it's almost everyone's second language. And that is how people in different tribes generally speak to each other. Do you know this language? Not yet. I do. Awesome. Do you really? No. But she can't prove that quite. Well, know a couple of words. Yeah. We know a couple of words over here. So go ahead. Yeah. Yeah. So Why can't you guys stay in this part of the world so I can Can you say I know, pigeon? Of course, I can. Go ahead.

Pigeon. No. No. I'm sorry. Pigeon. Ridiculous. That's ridiculous. Probably offensive.

Why do you guys have to embarrass me? All I wanted to do is tell a small lie for the growth of my own kingdom. And here you go. Mike Mike, I gotta thank you for perspective because I think I know what everyone is feeling when they look at me and go, boob, that was that was a stupid Yes. The stage. I I really understand when I'm one of those guys that's just, like, everybody stares at me for a few seconds and alright. And then move on. What they think is that that must have been very embarrassing for you. And they're lied to. I get it now. No. I really appreciate the perspective. K. Continue on. So is it is it your job or the translator's job, like, to go into a place and say, like, when you hear the term fruit of the vine, are they thinking like, we think, well, great, because we're thinking get back to Israel. Are they thinking eggplant or something? So, you know, like, when you're talking about basic things that we take for granted, communion, what image comes to mind when you say fruit of the vine? You just don't use that term or We're doing a lot more basic level research. We're mainly being like, okay. So how do you say coconut?

And, you know, like, alright. How do you say pig? And we just get a list of maybe, you know, a 100 to 500 words that we can compare with other language groups and, you know, we will get a percentage of similarity. And so, you know, that's one way we can help determine whether these two languages are similar enough that they could use the same translation. Most of the time, we're taking more of, like, a sociocultural survey. So we'll ask people, like, how do you identify as a language group compared to the people in that village? Do you consider yourselves of the same language group? Now, how about that village 10 miles away? Do you consider yourself the same language group? And a lot of the time, even if there's a lot of language similarity similarity,

there might not actually be a lot of culture similarity. And so we have to take that into consideration. At the same time, there might be a lot of cultural similarity and they consider themselves the same people group. But since the language spans over a really wide area, there's actually a lot of language difference. And so we figure out how to compensate for that. And so we'll kind of have to figure out, like, well, there's there's dialect areas and we had to figure out, okay, so which village would be the best representation of this particular dialect? You know? So people might say, oh, yeah. I speak the same language as the people in that village 50 miles away. They really don't. And so we have to kinda figure out what to do about that. Shifty operators. Yeah. No. I speak that. No. You don't.

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Give up the Burger King for a day. Help, Mary Anne. $5 a month. Yeah. $5 a month. Give up Burger King once a month. Monthly support. It's like, time goods are also awesome, but what I really need is the long term monthly stuff. Okay. Okay. Yeah, Herrick. I recently told someone that I might be getting involved in this, and I don't know if I have the financial backing. I need a donation of $10 a month so that I can donate $10 a month. I will not hold you to your Moova. Well, I feel like I'm trying every day to become more and more of a man of integrity, and I might have just said that. So I think I'm in it. Hey. Hey. The sooner you back out, the more integrity you have. No. That's not true. So twicklift.org

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Buba. What's up? You got $15 a month? I do. What's it for? $7.50 is for me. I have recently been told I might have a pop addiction. Two liters a day seems to be a bit much. Yes. It does. $7.50 a month might help me out on that. But Turn that pop addiction into a Papua addiction. Oh. Taglines. I gotta do now. If I hadn't said that, you guys have been mad. That's not fair. We're

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Shoot. Okay. We're coming up on a break, but I wanted to hear another another tune from Matt. So Matt has taken a request. So so, Buba Buba, you asked for this one. I did indeed. I've actually been listening to Spoken for a very long time, and I this is one of my favorite songs. It's one of the things that I have on my playlist, I'm excited to hear it. What's great is that it's a song I actually play. It'd be bad if you named a song, like like I'd overhear happened earlier. Could you play that one song you played? I'm like, I haven't even played that in two years, so I can't. For saying this. Sorry.

Sorry. Okay. So what's it? This was Boova. Yeah. Boova. Boova's in. This is Boova's request. This is a yeah. This is a song called Sleep Well Tonight.

I'm sending this letter to you in hopes that it finds you well. I wanted to say I love you and I miss

you. I'll I'm a million miles away.

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boova rocking out. Here it comes. Here comes the change. There it is. Yes. Switch. No. And go. So no. I think this is an old the old loop.

So the guy up in the the guy up in the left hand corner is actually the guy that runs the radio station. He doesn't know that I have that. Hey. What concert was that at? Do you remember what that It was the Petra. Petra concert. Here's the deal. Okay. So every once in a while, Life of the Path will leave the studio and try to do remote events. Right? And sometimes we'll be like people will say, we'll go to concerts. You know? And they'll say, yeah. You guys got permission to stream the concert. And then we show up, and they're like, no. No. No. Nope. Come on. That's a mistake. You know? Then we get, you know, we get the boot. You know? But the Petra concert, they agreed to let us come in there. You know? We're like, okay, Petra. We'll go. It was we set up concert at the people love it. Top notch, man. Top views of the show. Live stream of, like, a a real junk ball camera up at the top corner in this this church with with the Petra classic Petra concert. It's the best show we've ever done. So we're I mean, we're we're flagging our guts out with Jesus content, trying to you know what I'm saying? Talking for years.

Three years we've been doing this. Petra gets all the views. It totally dominates the YouTube channel. It's Patrick. That's what I'm saying. We it was we thought it was a good, a good move. Right? That's the reason we invited you guys on. Right? Like, we can't do this on our own. Yeah. We have no legitimate talent. So we have you guys come in, and people like the show for, like, a week until you're not on it anymore, and then they will write to our story. If you don't know how to handle your own self, you find other people to do things well, and you just kinda, I don't know, hook up with them. Absolutely. Welcome to the show. Alright. My people got problems. What's going on? Dear, live from the path. Hang on a minute. I wasn't as prepared as I might have let on. Dear life from the path. My husband works, but I do not. I stay very busy, but he expects me to pack him a lunch every day. It must include a breakfast item and a lunch item as he is starving by the time he arrives at work even if he ate at home. My problem is he has a huge list of do not pack preferences because he's so picky.

It changes randomly. His list includes don't pack so many carbs. I want protein. No sandwiches. No spaghetti leftovers using twisted noodles. Only regular noodles. Don't use too many peppers. Use more bell peppers and tomatoes. This list goes on and on. I've told him he needs to eat what I give him since he expects a completely different lunch than our son, but he constantly complains about the lunches. However, if I don't pack his lunch, he refuses to pack one and then overspends on takeout. Hey. I've been guilty of that. Yeah. That's terrible. One man shouldn't spend $20 at Taco Bell in a single meal. Holy shit. I haven't done that. Yeah. I spoke too soon myself. Done it. I'm getting frustrated. Hey, man. Real quick. Middle of the Dear Life from the Past story. At one point in time, when the Taco Bell came out with their breakfast. Alright? Somebody told me, hey, man. You need to try the breakfast. I said, I'm a try all the breakfast. So on Saturday morning,

I woke up without discernment. And they asked I said, are you guys serving breakfast right now? They go, yeah. We just started. Said, sweet. I need breakfast. They go, what would you like? I said, all of it. Is your name Ron Swanson? You may have heard, I want a lot of bacon and eggs, but I want all so I I said to them, I want one of everything.

And they said, that's funny. I said, I'm not joking. You'll see me in a second. I want one of everything. And I pulled up. It was, like, $18. I pulled up. That's pretty reasonable. Was a high quality establishment when $18 buys you everything. So I had to explain it. People were people were lining up. They were getting angry because I had to explain myself. I said, I know that you heard, I want all the breakfast. Now, I mean, I want sausage and bacon of each thing. Like, I wanna try both the sausage and the bacon of all your new tacos, all your new burritos, your crunch wraps, everything. So I want I I want two of everything, actually. One sausage I pulled up. They were just all laughing hysterically. People crowded to the window to see what monstrosity of a man just pulled up and said, I want all the breakfast. Ham kinda deal. Right? Okay. So that's my bad. Keep going. Okay. Here we go. Okay. What what's the how can we help? What do you do with a problem like Moova?

It says I'll give him money. I'm getting frustrated, and I don't know how to get this list to stop expanding. Help. Okay. I'm a feel this one. Okay. Here's the deal. Tell that schmuck. He either deals with what you give him or he makes his own lunch. And if he wants to say, well, I'm not gonna make it. I'm just gonna go spend takeout. Tell him to stop being a shuckster when it comes to money, and he needs to be make better decisions and stop spending $20 a day on takeout. I've done it. Don't do it. Just deal with what your wife gives you or make it yourself.

Yeah. That's your advice to her? I feel like she may have already attempted this. Yeah. She needs then she needs to revolt. Yeah. You guys can both chicken neck together. She's looking for advice on what to do about the husband. Well, it shouldn't be catering to him. Tell him to deal with it. Tell him either you deal with the one should I give you or you Since you don't wear the pants, I'll wear the pants. No. They need to work together on the fact that that's a stupid financial decision. Play this. Go ahead, Bubba. I will be the stubborn husband. Okay. Sounds good. Sweetheart, I love you with all my heart. I'm sick of your your requests for food. This is your lunch, and this is your breakfast. I'm gonna go out to eat. No. You're not. Because we don't have the money, Steve. I can't hear what you're saying right now because I'm on the way out the door getting something to eat. Steve, I will follow you. Not in the You don't have the money. I'm taking it with me. I'm gonna call you on the cell phone. You can't run away from that. I repent of all my ways. There you go. Make me whatever you want. You get spaghetti with twisty noodles and bell peppers plus tomatoes. Alright. This went really well. So I don't know I think you give that up a little too soon. Resilience. I don't know how she would do this, but I I I feel like this is, he needs a he needs a legit buddy that can take care of this for him. Like a like a a man friend. Here's the deal. If I found Mike, if I found out you were acting that way, you would stop acting that way. I feel like life in the pathfills will not permit you to behave in such an obnoxious, ridiculous fashion. I'd headbutt you. No. I actually, this is a mean, it's it's kinda silly. Right? But, like, there is some serious truth to this in in into allowing, some fellas into your life, if you're a fella. And, that, you know, that can speak into your life in such a way. Because, obviously, if if you had the chance to look at this situation and see it correctly, you would not continue acting this way. And so it is a perfect opportunity for some friends you've surrounded yourself with, you know, to come over and and and fix this in whatever way is necessary to get you back on the straight narrow. Right. Because, like, the truth is he sees them if it to to pull back from the situation, he sees himself wrong. He sees his wife wrong. And, frankly, he misunderstands his responsibilities.

Hey, Pete. Do wanna role play this? No. No. My foot hurts. Could she possibly work with him to just come up with a a regular schedule of, hey, here's what you will eat. Let's not change it. You think he might be over you you think she might be overselling on how picky this man is? Well, he might very well be that picky, but he he might be able to actually work within some parameters and just say, alright. Look, I'm okay with on Monday, you know, we've got roast beef. And then on Tuesday, we've got whatever. And just come up with some kind of a schedule. But there are so He's only days of the week. Right? What's that? Yeah. There's only so many days of the week. Yeah. I mean, usually, she's if she's cooking cooking supper in the evening, then she's already planning meals anyways. So it wouldn't be that difficult to just go ahead and say, alright. Well, here's part of the regular schedule. So Matt Beard, does your wife pack you stuff when you go on tour? Like a a month's worth of meals or something? No.

That's not no. Do you make responsible choices about what you eat, though? I don't really eat. Eric, you're gonna have give him that microphone, man. Alright. Here's at all. I've I've I've I'm like a one cup of coffee a day, guys. It's the only thing I'll spend money on. But I I can't imagine ever telling my wife, stop doing this, this, this, this. I won't eat this. Why would you do that? I was like, dude, he needs to figure it out on his own. I mean, that's kinda it. And I don't know. I think that's too much to ask. I think it's I think it's crazy is what I think. Yeah. I'm gonna speak of the situation from a woman's perspective. Oh, we're terrible about that. It's good that you're here. I'm gonna say if, like, if he were my husband, I would just give him the straight dope

biblically. Like, I feel really disvalued and disrespected when you treat me like a vending machine who Oh. Like that because I that's that's the vibe I'm getting from him, you know, given, you know, a really rough summary of this situation Yeah. Which could be, you know, it's only from her perspective. But if that is an accurate telling of how that situation is, he is treating her like his personal chef and not like his wife. And then he says, I feel disvalued when you make me things that I don't like. And then what do you say? That is a really dumb thing to say, so I don't know how to respond. I know. I'm just getting real. I've married an idiot. I think that's who we're dealing with, though. That's the problem. Then I would sit down and I would talk with him through Proverbs 31. And I would say, this is, you know, this is the ideal wife. Nowhere on there does it say

cooking specific meals for his specific needs and changing them constantly despite them being ridiculous. And so, yeah, I think if she just gives them the straight the straight dope, like, you're hurting my feelings. You are hurting my feelings, and I feel I feel disvalued and disrespected and and objectified by the way you're treating me. So I think you need to grow up. That's what I would say. Yes, Steve. Hey. That's the point I was trying to get across. This is why I like to have ladies in here because our because our solution was you should kick him in the jewels. Then

he'll change his ways. Yeah. You should throw those twisty noodles in his I might try it. I here's the deal. But, like, if he hopefully hopefully, that does it. Right? Like like, a reasonable conversation, he doesn't realize his brutishness in this behavior, and that and that opens his eyes. Anything beyond that, I feel like it's his it's his fellow's friend's responsibility taking him to woodshed. Agreed. He's a fool. And I'm gonna I'm I would also add, if he's acting that way with that particular thing, it's probably leaking into it's probably a symptom of some sort of deeper issue in their marriage that they might need to recognize and address Yeah. Like getting counsel I want Star Wars sheets. If he's having those types of expectations from her, there's probably something on a deeper level that is wrong in their marriage. They need to get that figured Harry's got a good point. Book that wood shit for the weekend. Yeah. It's gonna be a weekend. That's not In N Out problem. Here is secular's advice. I know you're hoping I'll say that the solution is for him to pack his own darn lunches. But since he works and you are a stay at home mother, I'm reluctant to advise that. Holy cats. What? Hey, man. His mom's aren't busy. Holy buckets. He says, try this. Wow. Because your husband's list of preferences is not static and changes often, have him accompany you when you do the marketing on weekends so he can suck what fruits and vegetables he would like to eat during the week. Hey. I can't remember last time my wife said, let's market. Let's let's go marketing. It's not picking up what to market. Let's go. I've been banned from marketing because I buy a bunch of silly stuff. Oh, look. Ding dongs. Hey, man. Did you know Pop Tarts are on sale? 10 boxes for $10? Yes, sir. How long has Ritz had bits?

Noodle butters. Hey. The one time here's the deal. My wife takes the kids to school in the morning. Right? She doesn't feel well one morning. I'm like, I got this. No problem. So the kids gotta be there at 08:00. I get them, like, 07:45. I say, oh, come on, hon. We got a we got a beast. And so I take her to the gas station. We picked up a doughnut and chocolate milk, and I said, I love you. I know if your mom asked you directly what happened this morning, you have to tell her, and I understand that. But I wouldn't bring it up. You know I'm saying? I come home later that evening at, say, five, and my wife looks at me and says, donut and chocolate milk. I'm like, what happened, tall one? We're talking about this. I'm at school. And he goes, this is why you don't go to market with me.

Anyway, Segular continues. When you get home, pack the food in plastic containers labeled Monday, Tuesday, etcetera, so that when he's on those way to work before he can grab one before he's out the door. Along with it, include some lean protein. That way, he'll have what he wants, and you'll have the peace of mind knowing it's far healthier and less expensive than fast food. Here's the deal. I feel like the way the way that she's assuming that she's the high road, is that she wants she wants to be able to provide him something that he wants to eat. She sounds like she's not unwilling to to do it. He's just taking the absolute worst response to it possible. Yeah. Mhmm. Yeah. Okay.

I don't know if I'd I don't know if I'd take my wife. Hey. You stay home. You should make my lunch. Yeah. I'd say it, like, seven years ago. Yeah. I did it. Three years ago. So you're gonna stay home. Don't you think you could make my lunch? Yeah. That's no problem. Mm-mm. Yeah. No. No. Because I'm I'm the picky man. You know saying? I have to eat my I make my own lunch. You wanna do one more here? Yes. Do more. Dear life from the path, I'm a woman in my forties married with two kids. I'm always getting invited to someone's bridal or baby shower. I loathe these events. I think they're a total waste of time because they're not about me. There are always stupid games Wait. Did she say that, or was that you or Seth? I put that in there as a side Okay. Comment. There are always stupid games guests have to participate in, and the nonsensical chatter is more than I could take. On top of that, the take home gifts and door prizes are almost always tacky and cheap. Am I alone in feeling this way? Do other women hate them too? Most of the time, if I can, I decline the invitation and send a gift if it's family? I just want off the invitation list. Help. Merry ways to Europe. This has never happened to me. Go ahead. This has not happened to me. I guess I I I like baby showers and stuff because it's fun because I like babies. But, I guess if for you know, I'm I'm imagining that I hate baby showers and stuff and I keep getting invitations to them. I would say suck it up and deal with the fact that get invitations and just don't go because that is polite and people are expressing friendship by inviting you. They're saying, hey, I value my relationship with you to the degree that I would like you to be around while I celebrate this really important turning point in my life.

So, you know, if you don't want to actually go to the celebration of the important turning point because it's inane, then just keep saying no because I I think I can't really see any way around that other than being rude. So Yeah. I get offers to, have Newsweek at a discounted price all the time. I always say no. I don't call Newsweek, make a big sync about it. I'm just like, nah. Internet Explorer keep ask keeps asking me to be my default browser and I keep saying no. No. Not says If I can keep telling Internet Explorer That's a wise choice. Know that she can keep saying, how many baby showers does she get invited to in a year that it's that annoying? Like, how many people does she know? Does she go to a mega church and just friends everyone? Like, befriends everyone? I just I don't see how that would be that big of an issue. Let me let me ask this. Like, is it is it completely not worth it to do, like, stake yourself out as as admitting to having some unnatural distaste for this so that everyone knows, it's, like, a funny thing, they don't invite you? Like, like, like, you just like, off make an offhand comment to as many people as potentially possible or post it on Facebook and be like, you know what I really really gets me? I know this is weird, but, like, I just feel weird being a baby showers and stuff like that. Yeah. It just weirds me out. You know? And just put it out there in a very innocuous way. And then people would, like, maybe they respond appropriately and say, I was gonna invite you, but you said it was weird. So then I didn't invite you. Yeah. And you're like, great. Knit yourself out is like a a a quirky thing where you're like, it's not personal. I just it just weirds me out. Be like, that guy's nuts, which is okay, but it keeps you off the list. Is that wrong? I feel like that's the right way to do this. That's what I'm saying. And here's the wrong way. This is the way that I've done it. So

very recently, within the last two years, I have had an influx of baby shower events that I've been invited to, and I found the the fix for it. At one point in time, I went to a baby shower for a baby named Sutton. I thought the baby was a boy. Turned out to be a girl. Alright? Bruh. So I showed up with boy gifts that said, like, daddy's little farmer. And I love my tractor and stuff like that. Like and I played it off real cool. So they open up the present. They say Sutton's a girl. And I said, yeah. But you guys seem like a really, like, culture forward family that's gonna go against the whole blue for boy, pink for girls thing. And I wanted to help you fight that norm with this clothing that has tractors and stuff on it. It's awesome. So now every time I get invited to a baby shower, my friends, I intentionally bring the wrong gendered gift.

And it has stopped all of the invites. Every one of my friends, I've gotten a couple invites, and I call them personally, and I say to them, what gender is your baby? They go, we're having a boy. I said, you're getting girl stuff. Or we're having a girl. You're getting boy stuff. And they say, you can't cum if you're gonna do that. I say, sweet. Sweet. I'm bringing that stuff. Right. And I've had to do it twice now. They have stopped. I have not gotten invited to any baby shows recently. That works. Move was ticked. Yeah. I think that works. It was hysterical, but I don't get invited anymore. And I wasn't mean about it. I just said, It's a funny joke. Blah blah blah blah. And it worked.

So bring the wrong gender gift. Legitimately, I'm I'm kind of in the suck it up bandwagon. Like, if they're a close friend, if it's family, you should go what what what do you got a couple hours out of your life and in name? Like, what what are you so you're so awesome. You can't, you know, chase the garter belt or whatever it is people do. That's not such a baby shower, man. There's some weird games that are tied to baby shower. That is a bridal shower. Didn't she say bridal shower? Well, yeah. Yeah. The bridal showers are also in this. I don't attend a lot of these events. I've never even been to one. There's one game that made me really uncomfortable. It it was pin the sperm on the uterus. Woah. Boova? Yeah. Hey. It's uncomfortable. Why? That's what I'm saying. This is the Internet, not a ballroom. Nothing wrong with that. I didn't say it. I said medical terms. I'm sorry.

Biological terms offend you, apparently. I apologize. Have you ever read the book of Ezekiel? I try I try to stay away from that. Fecal matter disgust me. I say, lord, I can't come. Yeah. I only read it after eleven at my house. Hey. Let's read Ezekiel. I can't do it. Here's the here's the deal. Appropriate. I pulled up, I pulled up the YouTube channel because the the kids were watching, something on, the presidents. They're studying the presidents. And sure enough, recommended video, some kind of woman in the buff giving birth somewhere, and I say, woman, you gotta stay off my YouTube channel.

I don't I don't care what you do for a living. It's gotta it's gotta go. I've been exposed. Alright. You wanna hear a secular's answer? Yep. Some people enjoy these parties because they are acquainted with many of the other guests, and it gives them a chance to catch up. Others attend out of a sense of obligation or to support the honoree on a happy occasion. While you can't stop the invitations from being issued, if you continue to be unavailable, I predict that eventually you'll receive few of them. What?

Is that the right tactic? Fair enough. Yeah. I don't feel like We we stopped my wife stopped going you know, they they sell, like, all the little party, you know, things. They they sell everything from baskets to, you know, vitamins to makeup. You know what I'm talking about? The home parties. Yeah. And you can get you can get invited to one every single night of the week, you know. And so a few years ago well, several years ago now, she just said I said, you know what? Let's just we just don't do any of them. And a little bit different than a shower, but it's, know, it's the same kind of thing. Get in this culture. You do all these things. It's like, how you zone I can't I can't do everybody's party and go to everybody's shower, and so just don't do it. I I that seems slightly difficult different. Right? Like, somebody's trying to sell you something. Otherwise, someone's having a life event which they want you to be a part of. It seems like a mild distinction. Our joy. No. No, sir. I know. Noticed that the guys and girls think a little differently. You you were saying, you know, because I want you to be a part you know, we're in relationship together. And and I'm thinking, hey, I'm I'm in my twenties having a and you're in your forties. You make more money than I do. I want you at my party, you know, because you're gonna have awesome gifts. That's guy that's a guy thing, I guess. I don't think that's a guy thing. To the party. That's hell. I do. That's a damn thing. They can afford a cool gift. They've around longer.

I I think that's the opposite of the pure of heart thing. I don't think that's what that is. You only want me for my money. Actually, that's true. That's using wisdom. If you tell them straight up, I don't think that's dishonest. Hey, man. I'm I'm your friend because you have riches. Feel like you're being honest. What? We got a problem with that? $15 a month, Harry. No. You're a man of sermon. I appreciate that. You've made the mistake of listening to Life in the Path. Thanks for hanging out with us this week. Very much appreciate it. You can catch up with us during the week at lifeinthepath.org.

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