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And I have I have an update on the Swedish midwife. Oh, yeah? I know you were wondering, Buba. I was seriously wondering about situation. So, like, her so to remind you, last week, we were talking about the Swedish midwife. It was about the impact of kind of the reduction of underlying Christian morality in a given society and what does that mean to, like, average day to day living. K? And we said it's it's tough to be a Christian midwife in where was it?

Switzerland. Yeah. Swedish. Sweden. I was gonna say it's not Switzerland. Yeah. So she so she was, she'd gone to court, and the question was, do you have to perform abortions? She thought I could obviously get a job as a midwife somewhere where that that can abide by my conscience and I I don't have to perform abortions. Right? Yeah. They gotta upset that she'd ask. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Right? So,

so, anyway, she goes to court and it says, this is a Dateline. This last week, a Christian midwife in Sweden who had contract offers at several hospitals rescinded for refusing to perform abortions, lost her years long legal battle on Wednesday with the Swedish labor court ruling that she had not been discriminated against.

The local reported yesterday that Eleanor Grimark was told there had not been any violation of her freedom of expression and opinion despite the practice of abortion going directly against her religious beliefs. The court also found that Jean Groping County was within its rights to refuse Grimark employment as it has requirement that all midwives working at women's clinics carry out assigned duties, including abortion. Obviously,

I'm disappointed about the ruling. It was expected, so it's something we prepared for, Grimurk said following decision. I've spoken about it with my lawyers, and I'm going to take it further to the European Court of Human Rights. I don't I'd I'm not Buu, I'm not familiar with the court system in Europe. Is that the big one? I I believe so. Yes. That makes sense to be the larger one. Okay. It's the human rights supreme court of the at The Hague? I feel like all the big things happen at The Hague. Think that happens at The Hague.

Well, I mean, she needs to be higher then, I guess. In November 2015, district court also found that Grimmick's right to freedom of conscience had not been violated, making her pay the local government's legal costs of more than a $100. Sweden's health minister, Gabrielle Wickstrom,

backed the court's decision. News agency, TT reported stating that in principle, I think that health care should be based in science and proven experience, not an individual's person's opinions and thoughts even when it comes to murdering people. She Wait. Wait. Who said who said that? I added that last part. I was gonna say No. But I meant who's The health minister. Because doesn't the science

kinda lean toward life? Yes. Scientifically, you did,

and you were living previously. I don't I don't know. I I mean, you know, different DNA, different blood type. Right. Science says there's a life in a in a in a child. So so Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not sure. They're kinda walking all over the world. I'm not following that and saying, oh, hey. It's not viable outside of the womb. Well, neither is my grandma without her, you know, medication. Yeah. I we don't kill granny.

Alright. So let's see. Refusal to carry out abortions, give out contraception, and the like is a refusal to care, which Trim argued. Poignant. Pro choice and sexual education campaign organization, RFSU, also supported the verdict. Let's see see their opinion on the matter. It's very important that the labor court establish that abortion is included in midwifery.

Patients' care needs and wishes should not be steered by medical staff's refusal to perform certain tasks. I'd like you to inject me with heroin. I don't care that you don't want me to do it. Let's see. ADF International, which fights for the right of people to freely live out their faith, commented that Gramerich's fundamental right to freedom of conscience has not been protected by the court, however. Some have attempted to frame this case as one that pits one human right against another. However, the only person whose rights have been violated is Eleanor Grimmerk and all the children. ADF said that as many as three different medical clinics in Jean Kobing had refused to employ the Christian midwife because of her stance against carrying out abortions, with Ledhurst suing the county. I'm not I can't even describe the word used there.

Yep. Yep. Yep. It says Grimark, who first saw a job offer withdrawn at Hoglund Sockschert Women's Clinic in 2013. Gotcha. I think that sounded about right. Yeah. Yeah. That's good. That's yeah. It's gonna be right. Anyway,

yeah. So that turned out apparently, she was expecting it. She did not have high hopes for for jumping a hurdle. How soon till that gets here to America? Ten years. Think ten? What what do you think, Dan? Too long, too short? I I was I was thinking twenty, but I mean Dan's more optimistic. That's

surprising. I I usually expect you to be the doom or gloom guy with this stuff. Well, I mean, Trump's in now and he'll go probably go another four, and then he'll and it'll take another progressive sweep coming in saying, we're gonna be like Europe. We're gonna be like everyone over there. They're wonderful. And Okay. I I I don't know. That's fair. Hey. What what happened to us, man? We were fleeing Europe. We're like, hey. We're gonna do our own thing. We don't do what Europe does. And now now what's happened to us? Two hundred years, we can't think of our own stuff. We're saying, do you wanna do over there? Yeah. I don't know. I I I

think Dan's right. I think, frankly, I think the underlying culture would support it now, except for, like, by a majority perspective, as long as you frame the argument,

I would say incorrectly, but winsomely. However, there is enough, there's enough knee jerk reaction for people to not wanna overstep that, I think, broadly, that it would probably take,

I think Dan's right, maybe five political cycles for for it to become, like, slowly normalize itself. Right? Okay. When you take step after step and it says, oh, you know, now now by the time you've moved three steps away, now it really feels like you're taking something away from someone when really they shouldn't have had to begin with. And so that does in America, it does move slow like that, like we we're we're the frog in the pot. So it just depends, I suppose, how how quickly you think the pot could boil. But with with the, I don't know, the shallowness of some of these discussions. Right? Like, if you're you're just you're simply ignoring one whole part of the conversation that there is a living entity involved here that's being terminated as part of the discussion and you're saying, hey, should I just do what this person tells me to? I have the right to do what I want, when we don't accept that in any other medical thing. Like, people, they'll come take your kids if you don't take them to the hospital when the doctor wants you to. That's not you having a choice, but you're telling me that it's okay. As long as my choice involved killing something, then it's gonna be fine. And so, like, it's just a it's it's a shallow conversation. But to the extent that we've accepted that argument as a country, which, frankly, we largely have,

Christians notwithstanding, I I it wouldn't take too much to normalize that behavior. I just Yeah. Yeah. It yeah. Yeah. I think it depends on who has the loudest voice at the time in the boy pulpit, and and so it's gonna this this by itself will take some cycles. I mean, the media, obviously, will probably be on on that side. It's weird how they can just just phrase things such a way that doesn't just doesn't make sense, that that they they flip, like, things that have been true for for hundreds of years, all of sudden, like,

a whole generation says, no. That's not right. And and you know? Yeah. So has that been true? Like, can you think of an example where, where where where like, that's been right, where we're like, hey. You know what? The this has been going on for fifteen hundred years, and it's and it's bad. It truly is bad. Right to change it. So, like, I would say,

in, the the degradation of people based upon physical attributes Right. Like women. Yeah. Yeah. So women, I I don't even wanna say my forties cycles, though. I mean but, yeah, I see what you're saying, though. That's yeah. Yeah. So yeah. So, like, I I don't even wanna say patriarchy because it it it assumes certain things about that word that I don't intend to to mean. But yeah. So, like, I think there's I think there's some of that.

And so so I think there are things where that is that has been true, but I I don't know that it has been, that it's universal. Right? That you have to accept that that every idea that we had because simply because we had it five hundred years after someone else, it must be wiser. Right. It must make more sense and, like, people were just that stupid that long. I'm sorry. Did you invent the light bulb?

Did you build a pyramid? Because you can't figure it out. Yeah. That's why we have wonders of the world. We don't understand how they did it. We're like, you guys are so stupid. Yeah. You don't know anything. We can't figure How primitive. Yeah. Yeah. We can't figure out that you, like, huge stone with your fist or something. Yeah. That sounds awful. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just there's a lack of humility, I suppose. Like, modernity lacks humility Yeah.

Recognizes that people were were wise with much less than what we've come to, especially philosophically, and and we're just we just assumed that because we had the thought that it must be wise and and and correct because it's as if it's been refined over the years when it didn't. It just popped into your head. And we said, you know what? Yes. I like it, so it must be correct. Alright. Anyway, so I thought I'd keep you up to date on our Swedish midwife I appreciate that. In case you become one eventually.

A Swedish midwife? Yeah. You never know. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's yeah. God's mysterious. Here's the thing, Buva. In in today's day and age, you can be anything you want. That's certainly true. So, I mean, you have the potential to be a lady Swedish middleman. I'm gonna just identify it that way and we have to just say you are. Right. Yes. Alright. Here here's what I don't understand. I it's so I I was I was reading through the news and it said, what do Americans think of Jesus? Man, myth, or god? And I thought, like, I I like to go back and try to figure out how is this different from the various surveys that I feel like we cover every couple of months, like, is this somebody just asking the same question over and over again? It is. It's someone trying to get in on that piece. Theirs their publication specifically has not done that article recently, so they need to throw that out there. We need 1,500 words. It's always a hot issue. It's oh, it will never be

an issue that people don't get fired up about. This this okay. This will be interesting. I did not read this ahead of time, so we'll see what happens. It's a Barna study released days before Easter looking at how US adults see and relate to the central figure of Christianity shows that almost all Americans believe that Jesus Christ was a real person who actually lived and that the majority of Americans have made a commitment to him. Interesting. Very real. 93% of Americans say they believe Jesus is a real person who lived on Earth according to the survey whose results were released Thursday but was conducted between August 25 and 09/10/2014.

What is the nature of this tally system? Random also though, the next time, like, Presidents Day is coming up, I want them to offer that same survey and see how many percentage of Americans, believe that George Washington was a real person. He's actually alive ever. 7% believe he never was Are we still really dealing with the, oh, I'm not certain Jesus was ever actually a real person? Like say that. Like, really? I don't get it. Like, you guys you you're saying that because it's it's possibly a religiously charged figure,

therefore, that's possibly not a real man when there are historical accounts, a ridiculous amount of historical accounts of him being an actual person, not even, debating his divinity, just debating if he was real. Just Yeah. That's man. Yeah. Yeah. Like, that's that's an outrageous number of people to not think that he was a real man. Right. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's that's not even I I just to just to be clear, I suppose, like, Moova kinda nailed this. Right? But, like, that's not, like, cut of the edge scholarship. That's not, like, something that we're thinking more and more over the years. Like, that was something that was popular, say, late eighteen hundreds to early nineteen hundreds and that every reasonable person, including every wise atheist that's ever walked the earth has gotten away from some from an argument so silly as if Jesus didn't exist. Right. Whether he was the son of God is something you can even argue with a with a Jew about today. Alright? So, like, I get that but this historical figure business, is just a complete ignorance of of of history. So if you're gonna be a student of something, at least let's recognize that he has to be a human being. He was a real person who existed. Otherwise,

there was a lot of effort to falsify documentations by non Christians at the time Right. And and an effort to get falsified documentation by people who wanted to die because they loved that falsity and, you know, perpetuating information over the years that was passed down in high high numbers, far exceeding our understanding of the existence of, say, King Arthur and, Plato. Okay? So, you know, he's a historical historical figure. Let's start conversation from there. Cool. Alright. Here we go. 63%

of US adults say they have made a commitment to Jesus. That wait. Did they explain that as a high number? Hold on. What was the synopsis? 63%. It said Jesus was, almost all Americans believe oh, they just said that a majority of Americans. Man, okay. 63% said they made a commitment to Jesus that is still important in their lives today. Shows the study which included 2,005

web based and phone surveys. Someone called someone on the phone and asked that? Yeah. That's a That was a phone survey they said? Okay. Sorry. That I got stuck on that piece. Yeah. Sociological evidence. I suppose that's like, though, the number of people who made a decision to save for retirement and think that's important, but they just don't actually save for retirement. Yeah. I mean yeah. Yeah. It's important. Jesus yeah. He's good. He's

Everyone that agrees that it would nice to have money when you retire and no longer have a job Yeah. Are the same amount of people that say, I have I've given my or I've made a commitment to Jesus. Commitment to Jesus. And It's still important to me. Important to me. What is so I mean That verbiage is very, very well thought out. I I don't I don't here's the thing. Christianity is like a very wide it's it's a narrow gate. Right? But, like, the entry requirements are very basic. And then the understanding of what that means is very, very deep. Okay? So, like, I get it. There's some nuance here. But, like, you can't just say, hey, have you made a commitment to Jesus? Is that important to you? Like, I mean, that is just a real varied question Yeah. To get any type of reasonable reaction to. I mean, it doesn't take a lot of effort for it for me to think of a lot of people, and this is a judgmental thing to say, but who would probably say yes to that and I would probably look at the fruit and say, no. No. I'm pretty sure. No. There's no I'm not quite commitment to strong. That's the same amount of people that made the commitment that hell sounds like a really bad place. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That sounds bad. Yeah. Because, I mean, your level of commitment to Jesus could be, I tell you what, bro, you helped me get my wife of my dreams and get through college and I will do good to people. Yeah. Commit that to you. Yeah. Like and that's that's I'm only half joking because that's a reasonable thing that people seem Right. Feel like they're making a bargain with Jesus for. Then they get tired of the wife and they're like

We should do the same survey and then ask specifically afterwards. We're like, okay. Well, let's talk about what a real commitment is. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Have you considered dying today? Well, what do you think of the words And then yeah. Taking it with you. Picking up your cross daily. What does that mean to you? But tell you, I I had conversation with my mom several years ago. Right? Mhmm. Mhmm. And it was been after one of those school shootings and, you know, people had done the whole gun to the head, deny Jesus, and they said, no. And I remember my my mom saying, I don't I don't think I could do that. And

I and I just like a part of my heart kinda hurt. Right? Like Right. I I believe you pro I I believe that's a struggle for her. I you know, I I Yeah. I mean, what do I do with that? You know? Right. I was just like, but There's not much like do with that. Yeah. Your mom. No, mom. Die. Come on. Exactly. That's that. It's a tough first to be Yeah. But it's like, oh, don't say that out loud. I mean, you can think that on your own, but don't tell me that. Yeah. Yeah. Because I'm coming from a different perspective. I'd be like, well, go ahead and pull the trigger, dude. Yeah. I'm going home. The name is Christ. Guys As a side note, it is it's interesting to see,

you can tell a difference in people that that consider themselves Christ followers that that have different answers to that question. Yeah. You know, are you willing to to take that and and die today for him? And, like, I've met plenty of people that would have been like, no. Absolutely not. I'm not ready for that. Yeah. And I've met people that were like, oh, 100% of the way. Yes. Entirely right now in any scenario and have gone on different parts of the world and have done that kind of stuff. Right? And it's just it is incredible to see, not not from a judgmental place of, like, oh, you're wrong and you're right, but, like, it's interesting to see that level of of, commitment and desire for the kingdom in those people.

It's just interesting thought, I guess. Yeah. I mean, if you think of it, probably the right the right balance to answer there is, is Paul's Philippian answer. Right? Yeah. Like, I don't know which is better, frankly. I I wanna stay here, but I can Good go point. I got work to do here, but I really want to see that supper tale. So it's just it's the same deal. Right. So, know, I mean, I know you have the gun and everything, and this is gonna seem real weird, but I'm just gonna leave it to you. That you know what? I would love I I this sounds terrible, but take this correctly. I I I would love to see that that quote in the newspaper. It's like the person had had the the weapon up against the person that got up to someone's head and said, you know,

are you willing to die for Christ? And the person says, well, I mean, both ways to answer that. It's interesting that you, brother. I've been debating that myself lately. It's like, hold up. Have you ever heard of Paul before? He says a specific phrase around that. Alright. It says less than half, 43%,

believed Jesus was God living among humans. Less than half. What kind of so here's the question. Bubba, you you know I'm getting out of here. Right? The disparity between The 23%. The 20%? That's exactly what I'm asking. Of people who believe that he was not god living among humans, yet they made a commitment it. That is still important to them. That historical figure that I believe in was was fairly important. It's like, hold up. Wait a minute. What? You you believe that Jesus was a pretty sweet guy and have a commitment and important relationship with them, yet you don't agree with his divinity. I promised Edgar Allan Poe I drink cognac and freak people out, and that means a lot to me. Oh, no. I don't get it. He looked so important on that flannel board. I thought I should make my little prayer.

I wonder what succession they ask these questions in. Right? Like, is it one after another after another? Like, I just I would like to see that read back to that person. It's like, hold up. In in the previous question, when I asked if you had a committed relationship to Jesus and it was important to you, you said yes to both of those. And now that I'm asking you if you believe in the divinity of Jesus being the son of God and all the good stuff, you're saying no. Care to explain? I could never be a pollster. Comments section. Are you serious?

I would not be able to do it objectively. I would just like, okay, we need to do it. Yeah. Do you know you're arguing with yourself? Yeah. Brandon, was it listen. That doesn't make it easy. Yeah. Let me verify your address again. 1517

I'm gonna give you another opportunity to answer this. Think about it this time. We're gonna make this multiple choice. Yes, yes, yes, or yes. And maybe you shouldn't vote in the next election. Exactly. Oh, man.

Okay. Check this out. 31% believe he was uniquely called to reveal God's purpose in the world. I bet the other 69% did not understand what that meant. I know. I'm not sure I get it myself. I mean, uniquely cold. Like, I mean Like, he's the only one? He was god's purpose in the last area. Right. I was gonna say, like, yeah. They they call that back all the way to Genesis. Yeah. Alright. Here we go. Here we coming. 9%

say Jesus embodied the best that is possible in each person. Okay. I have follow-up questions on this matter. I do. So, like Yeah. If you're of the other, was it? So 91%.

Yep. Well, so probably not, ignore the 91 because not everyone believes. Let's go with the committed believers. Okay? K. So 63. So 54? Yeah. You got another 54%. And so if Jesus is not the best that is possible in each person, well, I mean, what you're looking for, friend? Following a mundane guy?

You're gonna be tendering forever, friend. Like, I just don't what else or am I misunderstanding the question? I don't No. I think you're asking me correctly. And I say, yeah. He's the best it could be. He handles everything correctly. Yeah. I would like to do that poll and then have the ability to ask follow-up questions of, wait a minute. You you were part of the 63% that said they they have a committed relationship. What exactly do you think he was if he didn't represent the best that humans could be?

And see what people's answers. Like, yeah. Like, in order with the nuances, they're like, you know, I think mostly, but, I mean, he styled his hair differently than what would be acceptable today. And so he can't be the best. Right. Exactly. Like, is it some kind of weird nuance? You know, it almost could be like, oh, he was the best that could have been then, but two thousand years later, it would have been a diff different scenario. Like, it would it's not the same world that you couldn't be at the same Here's the deal, Bubba. Jesus is gonna return with a shirt that says divinity is timeless. I sure hope so. Two thumbs. He's gonna show up with a man bun so all the hipsters can't go, oh, Jesus was back then. He's like, nope. I'm here now. And and 8% say he was a great man and a great teacher, but not divine.

Actually, that's that's lower than I had would anticipate. Right. I would I kind of expected that seems not acknowledging his divinity, but acknowledging that that he had generally good tenants and things like that. I I would expect that to be much higher. Because, I mean, like, if you look at what he talks about,

there's not really much bad stuff in there. Like, even from a non Jesus as Messiah Don't murder people. Yeah. Exactly. Like Stop being mean. Don't kill people and and all those different things, and let me be your teacher and talk to you about parables and speak of those those things. Love one another. Love your neighbors yourself. Yeah. They all seem pretty reasonable. I mean, except for you know, it's it's the classic. Right? But, like, how can he be a great man and a great teacher if he claimed to be something that he wasn't? I mean, at his court, he is a liar.

We're a lunatic. That is the problem with an 8%. So what so now look at this distinction. Right? So, like, out of a 100, reduce the 8% that says he was a great man and a great teacher, but not divine, and then take out how what percentage did I say said he didn't exist? Seven? Nine? Wait. He didn't exist at all? Yeah. How many? I think it was seven, wasn't it? Yeah. It's 93%. Yeah. Yeah. Seven. Yeah. Seven. Okay. So so put those two together and you have 15%.

63% have made a commitment to him. That means you have, roughly another 22% who say, I believe he was a historical person,

so he existed, but but not just that he was a historical person, that he was also divine of some sort or other. Right? Mhmm. But I have not made a commitment to him, and it does not or it does not mean anything to me. Interesting.

That's a tricky group. Yeah. That's a tricky group of people. Okay. So who all was this is just an anonymous poll that was done by phone and e and web? Yeah. That's what it said. Yeah. I think the web would throw things off. Yeah. I don't trust the web. Yeah. Do you know who's on the web? I'm on the People like us. I don't trust people. Yeah. Exactly. Right? I think the show's on the web. Exactly. Yeah. An expert show.

Yeah. Actually hey. Expert opinion. I went into I went into the, Goodwill today, and somebody recognized me and said, hey. I I follow you on No way. I follow you on the web. I thought, oh. Did you immediately walk away from them going, you are nondiscerning? Like, something's up. The web is You have four seats and you're shopping at Goodwill. I'm not gonna look at what you purchased. It said, it also found that 59% of Americans have no doubt that Jesus will return to Earth someday.

How many percent? 59. So, yeah, there's 4% of people that have made a commitment that means something about Jesus, but they don't think he'd come back. Don't believe he's coming back. I don't understand these people. Seriously. Wow. Gaps in sociological

A non god that's gonna come back to the Earth someday, and I don't care. And we wonder why America is twisted is because we have these kind of things where a four question survey confuses us and makes us completely go against what we're saying. We lose our line of logic and opinion within five questions. They're trying to please the survey person. What do they want me to say? Exactly. Like Yeah. Are they are they Christians? Will I get a trophy if I do this? You

do do I get, like, a do I do I become apostle level if I answer them all correctly? I don't know. That's weird. Alright. Here we go. A separate recent Barna study found that while an increasing number of Americans reportedly abandoning the institutional church and has defined boundary markers of religious identity, I don't know what that means, many of them still believe in God and practice faith outside his walls. Well, why don't we just do that while staying in the church? That seems alright. Right. This is just a good, you know, passing around. Meaning, those who love Jesus but not the church. Hi. Hi, Jesus. I hate your wife.

Classic. Yeah. I think that's just a misunderstanding of the word church. Yeah. I don't yeah. We have to read the here's you gotta read the book, fellas. Like, here's the thing. If they give the book away, they're handing it out. I mean, toothy. You can get it anywhere. It's on the web as well for free. It's on the web. It is. There's kids versions of it. Book. That do a better theological job than this. Seriously, pick up a children's bible. It will straighten this out better than what you've done. Yeah. But as a society and a community that exists on spark notes and, three minute news clips, like, would you honestly expect people to pick up a book and read it? Here's the deal. You could read the Jesus Storybook bible alone

and be fine and not end up in this mess here. That's true. It would be would those are simple. Those are, like, three minute Yeah. Agreed. But that's it's still effort. Yeah. People expect a prepackaged, Lunchables Jesus. There there's still a lot of books being sold though. Course, I don't read many of them. I just buy them. I stack them up, pick them up and say, that would be really interesting. Read about six pages and go, yes.

Is gonna be great. Library of Alexandria and then just I am terrible. Make it happen. I got a couple books I just really wanna read, and I really don't read them.

I I'm guilty of that too. Yeah. I've picked up a couple books where I'm like, man, I'm really excited to read that. And then I'm like, it's been, a year and a half. If I if I've gone the last year and a half without the knowledge, do I really need it? Which is the $100 bills. I gotta get $100 bills. If I had them, I I I was gonna say, they'll start rolling a bunch more dough than I expected. I'll hide them in my books.

They're like, oh, retreat. I throw away the $5,000 bills in the books that I'm incentivizing myself to read. Hey. That would be great. You should have somebody do that and not tell you what books they're in. And then here's the thing. Just go through looking for the hundreds. Every everybody's view of Dan will be like, Dan was always looking in those books. I hate you so smart. He read them rather quickly. It was like, oh, he's reading. He adjusted a page a second. It was crazy. Honestly,

you know, if you look at your life and you go, man, there's something I'd really like to change about me. My whole life, that's been the one thing I I wish I could change about me. And I try and I try to make goals and I try to discipline. I do all this stuff. I'm just not a reader. I read lots of I read all day long. I take that back, but they're little little things. Yeah. Right. I don't read books. Yeah. And it drives me insane. We exist off of nuggets of information. Yeah. It's it's it's completely how we work. Oh, I'm a loser. Just thought I'd share that. Oh, I think you did. Actually, this Plug the teeth. A side note, do you know what's one thing that I wish I did more often that, like, I really respect people who do it? Bathed. I really wish I showered every 10 points on bathed. Maybe you've lost. I will I will totally give you those points. People who make their bed every day. Oh, yeah. People who make their bed on a daily basis and, like, don't come up with the excuse of, like, I'm just gonna get in it in twelve hours anyway. Right? Like, I get that, and I totally understand and, and conform with that idea. But at the same point in time, it's totally just a laziness thing in my book of why I don't do it. Yeah. And I I did it once this week. There's, two sides, though. You gotta go all the way to the other side straighten that. They gotta they could do, like, three times. I'm battling I'm battling my general lazy self by trying to make myself make my bed every morning. I I I specifically set it up to where I washed my sheets and my pillows or my my pillow cases, and then I'm like, yes. Now I have a reason to make the bed all nice. They're they're fresh and clean, and I made the bed. And the next morning, I made it again, and I'm like, day one complete.

And then that night, I'm like, there is no way that I'm making that bed right now. I'm going right to sleep, and I haven't made it since. Alright. Sorry. Keep going. Bed. It says while many Christians in The US hold orthodox beliefs I am not sure what that means anymore. The religious trend in Western Europe appears to be different. We're confused on that. Is that orthodox Greek, or is it that Russian Orthodox? What's happening here? I thought it was a I thought it was like a laundry detergent for the longest time. Orthodox. In England, for example,

one in one in four people who identify themselves as Christians say that they believe that the physical resurrection of Jesus did not happen according to a recent poll. Wait. How many? One in four? Twenty five percent. Okay. Here's the deal. It's preposterous. I get it. Yeah. Okay. I mean, that's the I mean, I I don't know how you can commit to the man if he doesn't resurrect. Wait. One in four 25% don't believe? Correct. That's actually a high percent that does then. Yeah. Yeah. 75%

of people. And this is the people that say they have a committed relationship. Right? Yeah. Because I don't believe squat about any religion I don't follow. Right. I read that stuff. That's a that's a little crap. Yeah. I mean Right. Right. I'm in a world religions class right now and I'm just like, that's all ridiculous. Stupid. And then we get to the Christianity section. Oh, yeah. 100% correct. Walking through walls, of course. Yeah. Let's talk about the story of Noah. I'm like, on it. Yeah. I know it very well. There's like, the boat? It went a 100 true. And people are like, didn't you just say those were wrong? I'm like, yes, but this 100% of the way correct. The former chaplain to queen Elizabeth, how do you get that job? Oh. Wow.

That's awesome. That I want I'm gonna put that on my resume just to see if somebody catches it. They're like, excuse me. Sir, did you put that you were the former chaplain to Queen Elizabeth? Although It was a while back. What makes him the former chaplain? Yeah. Did he get kicked out? I hope he retired. He was probably, you know, pinched in the nose of one of those guys with the tall hats. They're like, you know what? We can't talk. You're out. Man of god or otherwise, we can't, no. Let's see. Argued that those who identify themselves as Christians but do not believe in the physical resurrection of Jesus cannot really be Christians. He holds a firm line.

The I I mean, I would I would kind of agree because Paul would make the same case. Those people who neither believe in the resurrection nor go anywhere near a church cannot be Christians. The reverend doctor Gavin Ashenden said, according to The Telegraph, as with so many things, the key is in the definition of terms. Discovering the evidence for the resurrection having taken place to be wholly compelling is one of the things that makes you a Christian. Ergo, if you haven't, you are not.

What did you say? According to The Telegraph? The Daily Telegraph is a Oh, okay. I thought he sent a telegraph. Hey, queen. This name, god, is very anachronistic. The kids don't like this. Wait. He was the former chaplain to queen Elizabeth because he has no idea how to get with the times. She was trying to tweet things and he was like, no. Send a telegraph, miss. Do do. Highness, let me send a telegraph.

Sorry. Go ahead. That's more cool. No. That's the, that's the end of the article. Oh, man. What are those surprising? Yeah. Saddening. Sad. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I feel like confusing. I feel like after, what, six years of doing the show, like, my expectations should be zero. You think people will learn. We've been doing this a long time.

I don't see any movement. I'm just saying, like, I I I feel like my expectations of America should be zero when it comes to this stuff. But I'm still hurt every time we do one of these where people there is a huge amount of people that believe that they have a committed relationship to Jesus, but then don't agree that he's even the son of God nor was he resurrected. And I'm just like, come on, guys. Really? Yeah. It's the it it it it's it's it's tantamount to the people on the American Idol who are singing and who didn't who shouldn't have never got that far because they they can't really sing. And, like, it's the dissonance between people who are like, oh, yeah. I I love and follow Jesus. I'm like, ah. And here's that's not a pharisaical, like, viewpoint. It's just like, what you're saying is not consistent at all with the Christian religion. Like,

that's you don't it's not faith in Jesus. It's it's something else. It's a greeting card or a desk calendar or something. But it's it's it's it's not a faith in Jesus. Yeah. My faith in Jesus in this this situation is going no further than I got married and made certain that we prayed at it. It's like, oh, come on, guys. Like, really? Is that your criteria for a committed relationship with Jesus? You were baptized when you were nine years old because all your friends were doing it, and then you just said you were committed since? Yeah. You know you know what's interesting, Bubba, is I think, like, there are people who who I would say just by, I like to answer it, by by fruits and by probably their ability to talk about things in the bible consistently. Their

judgment of what makes them followers of Christ are the same things that, like, I I I would say that their committed followers have trouble doing. Right? So, like, people would say, you know what? I, I I have a relationship with Jesus. I I pray, and I, you know, I I get inspiration from the scripture every once in a while. And, like, here's the thing. I know people who would die for Jesus right now who'd like, you know, I just I wish I prayed differently or more often. And I try to read the scriptures and, like, I sometimes I don't even understand what it's saying. I try to take it in though. Like like, so your definition of what it's like to be a Christian, a, doesn't look like Jesus, and b, like, I know people that would take a bullet for the Lord directly who stink at those types of things. Yeah. So, like, it's and and again, it's it's

it's it's a hard it's not a it's a hard measure. Right? It's God's call. It's not mine. But, like, generally speaking, we should be able to recognize fruits of the spirit. We should be rec able to recognize that, like, when God says 10 things and you love three and you celebrate three and then you act like God didn't say the seven, that's not loving that's not loving God. Like, you can't just say he doesn't say certain things. We have to deal with all of it and it's a struggle and people trying to understand a holy God and a fallen world and your place is a fallen person who takes good news to people, like, that's a hard that's a hard thing. I have to look at all 10 statements and go, I believe all these. I'm not, I have trouble speaking on them, honestly, all the time. Alright? So, like, that's legit. But, like, your ignorance of the other seven are acting like they don't exist or acting like you're just fine coasting on the two. Like, it's just that you're not following Jesus. Right. Like, that's not what that is. And so we need we can be honest about that type of thing. You might as well know you're gonna figure it out eventually, and it's your own good to recognize it. Like, if you wanna lay it all on the table and say, I gonna follow and die for this Jesus or not? You might as well deal honestly with the 10 things that are out And then you can say, look. I don't want it. And if that's your selfish heart and that's what you dig on, fine. You'll get you'll get to just consequences. Right. But, like, what what what is what can't be is that we're, like, we can pat you on the back and say, oh, great. You know, you pray every once in a while and you read the scripture, but if you're actually not submitted to Jesus, you're gonna be surprised, and that's that's that's a every other Christian's fault if we kinda pat you on the back and be like, oh, yeah. That's I think that's just gonna be just fine. When, like, we we've looked at all 10 and go, this is difficult, but we know better. Right?

And that's so maybe I don't know. Maybe it doesn't. Maybe it surprises me. Maybe I should stop looking at the things. Like, obviously, I can't I have I have 500 questions coming from this. Right. It's not near specific enough to tell me anything. Like, to I can't be encouraged by it, but I can't it's not specific enough to necessarily be discouraged by it, particularly either. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you kinda have to look at it compared to other similar ones, what has grown, what has decreased, what are the age breakdowns, that kind of stuff. They usually provide that stuff, but that Yeah. That'd be kind of a lot of weeds to go through now. But just to know, is is it getting better? Do do people get wiser with age? Is know, how all that. Yeah. I don't know about that. We have quite a few deer live from the past from '60 pluses that are just like, what are you doing? Yeah. They're part of that. Seriously. What are you doing? How do I talk to my wife of thirty five years? It's like, come on, man. I don't like the eggs she cooks. What do I do? Should I divorce her, or should I have a conversation? It's like, come You should Here here's the deal. I I I like these surveys. I do, and I I appreciate getting the breakdown and the data behind it. Like but at the same point in time, like, I have this weird

second thought process. Like, I don't I don't care about these because regardless, like, the I got work to do. Like, ultimately, regardless of the the outcome of these surveys, there's work to do no matter what. Yeah. I mean, it's it's always like, what what's going on in this age group and what's going on in this demographic and all this sort of stuff. It's just like, well, I mean, my job is just to go and and and and talk about Jesus to people and show his life and and and figure out what that looks like and continually do that for the rest If 99% were, like, fully devoted, absolute 100% follower Right. We'd be going after the one still. Yeah. Yeah. There's still work That doesn't change our job or our mission. Yeah. Our demographic within America first off, look past America too. Like, I'm not saying, like, I'm not saying you have to leave America every time you wanna go talk about Jesus. Like, the bob down the hallway from you or across from your cubicle probably needs to hear about Jesus too. Forget the prob probably. He does need to hear about Jesus. But at the same point in time, sometimes American Christians just forget that there's other stuff in the world too. We look, oh, man. What's going on in my church and my community? It's like, great. I love your thought process in that. But remember, God's world is much bigger than you're making it seem. It's much larger, and there's a lot more people in it that you're allow you're allowing yourself to think about. Now, again, I'm not saying go and try and save the world. You've got people individually you need to take care of, but just think. Hey, man. There was hold on, Dan. There's so there's an article out there that says five errors to drop from your Easter sermon. Oh, yeah. I saw I read that. Did you read it? Did you commit any of them? I I I I told my

my friend that that is my five point sermon, so I'm feeling pretty bad. Oh, no. These are kinda stupid. Sorry. I'm sorry. I read through these.

Like, quit saying he was 33 or something like that. Yeah. I'm like, hey. You know, is this I'm sorry. Is that a is that a deal breaker for people? Hey. You said he was 33, and and, there's debate. And He could be 35. Yeah. So Come on, guys. So is he is he risen then? I mean Was that what you're saying? Of god believing him? I

love that. Oh my gosh. Those arguments are ridiculous. You know, Easter wasn't originally a Christian holiday. Yeah. I get what you're saying. I get I get where you're coming from. And Christmas wasn't either. Okay. Alright. Let's talk about Yule for a second if you really want to. Hang on, man. This does not change the fact that it's Jesus. Hey. It was what did I hear somebody say? Is it is it true that is Golgotha the same

mountain that, Isaac was to be sacrificed on? I have no idea. That's because I don't I I heard someone say that say that, and I thought, I don't That's something Isn't that where the temple's actually at? Which would be pretty close, but because there's, I mean, I just figured out, like, a few years ago, like, there was just some like, that's where

David what was it? The threshing floor scene, him and an angel. What happened there? Where where he bought where he bought the land? Yeah. That that, like, became the temple. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's, like, still things okay. That wasn't that far later. Well, yeah. Yeah. I'm kinda confused myself. I don't know. I can't answer.

I meant check on that. I just thought I'd I'd pull the room. I'll double check. There are some cool things like that, though, that when you you go, woah. That's kinda cool that when when you when you yeah. I I don't know. I don't know that one. Speaking of children I mean, children's bible stories, we were talking about, you know, like, the the sacrificing of I Abraham sacrificing Isaac, right, and and being led up, wood on his back and all that kind of stuff. And so, like, we talked about that, and I think the kids were like, I don't I don't know about this. And then someone else told the story, they're like, oh, yeah. This is the best story ever. Crap. They always think I'm making stuff up. I guess I gotta change my way easier. And you're I mean I mean, that that though, that story is pretty crazy. Yeah. You know, especially if you're like the son. I mean,

Isaac is like, dad, I don't know if I can trust you ever again. Yeah. Yeah. Next time he's like, hey. Let's head up this mountain. He's like, I don't you know how to think so. Wait. What it says in chapter, what mountain it was? Well so, it doesn't So this is just a historical So so the name the name that it gives it in this in Abraham and I Abraham and Isaac's story is that he named the mountain the lord will provide. And it it wasn't it was it was kinda cool because of the tense. Right? It's not the lord provided.

It was it was the lord this after it happened, he said the lord will provide. Right. And then the connection in the story that this guy was telling was, okay. So the lord ultimately does provide. He was he didn't provide the lamb. He provided a ram then. Right? But, like, all because he would provide the lamb and Jesus. And we're like, oh, well, that's cute. But, like, I just I don't I know. I've got that's a long time to have not known that, I guess, to have not heard of such a thing that I was I was suspicious of it. I thought, well, I mean, that's kind of a it would be cool, but I just I I don't know. I didn't know if it was right or not.

Every once in while, yeah, I'll I'll hear some big new revolutionary thought from some sermon. I'm like, that's the best thing. Then later, I find out, like, no. He just made that up. Right? Nope. He just thought it sounded cool. Let's Alright. Well, have to hold on. I'm just spot checking these other five

Easter sermon. Don't explain the apparent absence of a lamb at the Last Supper by only saying Jesus is the ultimate Passover lamb. Wait. What? So don't explain the apparent absence of a lamb at the last supper by only saying Jesus is the ultimate Passover lamb.

Why why is that a thing? I guess I'm not understanding why anyone would say that, first off, but second off, why it's a big deal. Well, it's because they'll put this scripture, I think, will say that the lamb they probably had lamb. So, like But they just didn't mention it specifically when we talk about the bread and the says it says then came the day of unleavened bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. So Jesus sent Peter and John saying, go and prepare the Passover. So, like, I mean, it it It does imply that they did all the correct, Jewish law

or not Jewish law. Here's the Jewish tradition of setting up the Passover. The last supper is ripe with symbolism. I feel like if Jesus wanted to bring it out that he didn't there wasn't a lamb there, he would have done so. Yeah. It's like, oh, by the way, would have been a big shock to my body. You just remember it's a me speech. Yeah. Right. And this lamb, I'm the new lamb. Notice how we did not sacrifice a lamb because it's me. Oh. I know. I don't care about that one. Hold on. Let me just just spot checking my list here. Don't bypass the rule. Yeah. I kinda skimmed through the article, and I just nothing realized. It's like, no. Alright. I'm really worried about that. Don't focus on the suffering of Jesus to the extent that you neglect the glory of the cross in and through the resurrection.

So I actually I I had to kind of worry about that one in youth group. Yep. Because the kids oh, man. The kids really wanted to talk about what all happened to Jesus. Oh, yeah. Like, they and I was I here's the deal. Part part of me was really excited by the fact that they were willing to take a step back and look at some of the serious stuff that happened. Like, historically speaking, the actual accounts of what was going on, someone brought over the passion of the Christ and then wanted to talk about those specifically, which I dug on. But in the same point in time, it was kinda weird. But, but, like, they really wanted to talk about, like, so this is what happened and then this, and was he beaten and the crown of thorns and all this different stuff. And then someone was like and then he got pierced in his side, and I'm like, wow. You guys really wanna spend a lot of time talking about, like, what happened to Jesus. Mhmm. And then I had to kinda be like, okay. But remember, that's not the end of the story. The story ends way better than the the suffering. Like, the suffering is a big deal. Like, we get excruciating from that. Like, it's it's a big deal, but, like And it's good to know. It's good to It's totally good to know. It puts it in context of, remember, like, we we have to realize that this was a legit legitimate thing. It wasn't Jesus was not the only person that was crucified. Crucifixion was a legitimate thing that happened as a process against, like, what was it, rel traitors, but, like, more for the specific specific

Criminals in general who needed to be made an example of Exactly. Someone who needs put ease of time. A thing Yeah. Especially someone who was trying to cause rebellion. Yep. And they dug on that stuff, but I'm like, but remember, there's more stuff after this. Like, we gotta talk about the resurrection and how big of a deal that was and why we're actually here and what Jesus did for us and stuff like that. So I this is my actual first year doing an Easter, lesson kinda deal on my own. Uh-huh. And and I totally almost fell into that trap. I don't think it's a problem from what they're saying, but I think well, I I mean, actually so I actually I talked to a few people who had gone to some Good Friday things, and, like, they I mean, they said it sounded like a real like a real bummer. Yeah. And, like, I Right. I get it, but, like,

I I don't know I don't know what we're doing there. Like, I I think you I wanna know it in light of what ultimately happens. And I think there's a sense of that we've we've taken on the gravity if we can leave a Good Friday service, like, really bummed out For what? Like, a the drive home? Like, I just like, I don't know how long you expect that to to be sitting on you. Everybody go mourn until you come back on Sunday morning. Yeah. What's the point of your sad contemplation in the grand scheme of things? Yeah. Like, I don't need to put myself in the position of the disciples. Like, I was spared that, and I don't know that I have a Right. There's a value in me going back and kinda throwing that on for a while. And so, like, I mean, I I I get it. I think you can underdo it. I think you can say we we don't the Bible is is is explicit in a lot of those accounts.

Obviously, the details are important for us to know what what Jesus has gone through in his innocence, to recognize to a certain extent what we deserve in our guilt. However, I some of it's just a bit theater to me, and, like, I don't Mhmm. I I it it goes beyond trying to know it, and it kinda kinda manufactures

a a sense that I think that we get used to. We feel very holy for having taken on the gravitas of the environment as opposed to actually recognizing ultimately what it points to. And then our good news is that much better. Yeah. The more guilty you are, the better you are. Yeah. And so, like, I so I I think this I think this is a risk only because I think because you miss Jesus. You miss Jesus in it because you were focused on how guilty you felt or how bummed out you were or how holy you felt because you had the lights kinda turned down and the candles on. And and it just and and the whole environment was meant to kinda, like, just just let it sit on you. And so I think there's I'll I'll go fifty fifty. Some of that's healthy for perspective. I think you can go too far where you've you've actually just participated

in in a show. Right. And I'm not I I think you might miss Jesus there, so I think it's a risk. Yeah. I don't think I've ever done a Good Friday service. Yeah. A Maundy Thursday one, I think, last year, didn't we? But

but that's I've only done that once. Right. Hey. Actually okay. So if I can derail it for a second. I I have a question. As as someone who teaches about the Bible to to people who teach about the Bible, I have a question. In in the story of Jesus' crucifixion. Right?

So, at the very end, when he's, he's, saying the whole, my god, my god, why have you forsaken me thing? Mhmm. I heard once

and kinda like this thought process, but, that that is actually words or part of a psalm. I mean, Psalm 22. Two. I was gonna say 23. Two two two. Like the Eloi Eloi,

whatever. It's first line of that psalm. Yeah. Yes. Okay. Knowing that Jesus would know that, knowing that Jesus would know specifically those words were part of a psalm, right, being raised in in Jewish traditions and And that's not just any psalm. That's they pierced me for pierced him for his transgressions. Right. There's a lot. Huge deal. Right? And feet. Yes. Yes. It's a big deal. Yep.

I I've been I've heard the whole perspective that that Jesus obviously knows that's a deal, but is not actually crying that out from the perspective of, my god. My god. Why have forsaken me? But, like, it's actually a callback to that psalm. And I've even heard it put as far as it's basically singing. I would take that position, actually. Yes? Yes. I would. I did too.

And we kinda talked about that in youth group on Wednesday because the kids kinda broke that down. I looked at it. We're like, let's go take a look at what that looks like. Like, what is Jesus really doing here? I said, is this a is this a moment where Jesus is being fully human and and is, hurt at the weight of the sin that he's feeling and all this different stuff? Or is this is this truly his last act within his his his human body here? And Mhmm. And he knows full well what he's saying, and he's actually completely rejoicing in the situation because he knows the outcome of what's happening. So, I mean, it's a call. Like, if you if that that Psalm of David is a, is a ultimately, it's a description of David being in peril despite all those things, god is god. Right. And it's and it's basically a reminder of that that even as I go through trials, god is god will be with me. There's, there's certain theological circles where they have a lot built into the fact that god had to turn away. Right? God couldn't face his son. God abandoned him at this time. And so, like, so

they have a lot kind of built into that. I I neither think that is necessary nor true about that circumstance. And and, frankly, the Psalm like, what what are the odds he happens to say that exact thing? Right. Come on. Yeah. Come on. You know what's funny is I had not even heard that until two years ago. Like, two years ago, one of my one of my youth leaders in in youth group said it in in her conversation within I think we were we were actually studying Matthew. And I was just like, hold up. What? Like, that's never even crossed my mind as a possibility. And then went and looked into that, and I'm just like, that's that's incredible. Like, that puts this whole new perspective on the end of that to where

Jesus is specifically calling those words intentionally out, knowing full well what they are. And we if you look at that incorrectly, it could very well be this moment of of human vulnerability. But more importantly, it could be just this ultimate praise to God for knowing that he is completely in control.

Mhmm. Yeah. And so I just I wanted to to throw that out there and see what you guys thought because I haven't actually asked you guys specifically. But, oh, man, I loved that. And the kids loved it. And, like, I'm just like, hey. Let's talk about this for a second. It's a psalm. It's it's Jesus was he was praising. And they go, wait. Hold up. What? And I go, yeah, buddy. And so seeing their faces just light up at the fact that they got a chance to hear something new about a story that they've heard for the past fifteen years of their life was awesome. Love it. Cool. That's so cool. As a matter of fact, the, the girls and I were reading, we were reading the Jesus Storybook Bible, and and part of the Jesus Storybook Bible rendering

of the crucifixion was that, that that God turned away from Jesus. And I and I said, look. I I I love this the way that storybook bible describes this, but I I I think we would we would question this. And I and I asked here's the deal. I asked my this would be my my middle daughter who's seven. I said, do you think God would turn away, and why would he do that? And so we kinda said and, like, she she thought it was preposterous that God would turn away. The older one knew enough to to think, okay. He's taken on kinda the there's atonement here, right, the sins of the world, but but God doesn't do that to to us,

And so why would he do it to Jesus? And she also was aware of, like, we've talked about, like, this this thought that God can't be in the presence of sin. The the the opening book of Job. Right? Who's walking in the midst? Hey. Hey. Where have you been? Satan walking back to and fro in the earth. He's in God's presence. He seems to be able to handle. It's not a kryptonite. Okay? So, so anyway, then we we read back and I said, let's go look at something. So we read through Psalm 22 and, like, the prophetic nature of that Psalm and a right understanding of what that might mean in the context,

is is beautiful. And it's not beautiful because I want it to be because I can't handle atonement because I like the description better than God turning away. I I think it is the right way to read it. Right. It makes more sense to me as opposed to a coincidental thing that, like, David happened to write this and ultimately rejoiced in God. And Jesus said the same words, but didn't really mean that. God had actually abandoned him in his hour and evening. Right. I I'm not I just I can't get there. Fair enough. I just I it was it was an interesting moment that I that I called upon for my if you for lack of better term, like,

youth group, and I I I just I wanted to ask. I I'll tell you the the best part of that story. So I, I read that that part, and my oldest daughter goes, I love this book.

She goes, it's like Harry Potter. She said, every time you read it, it gets deeper and deeper. It all connects. I'm like, that's right. That's a good job. She's she's being set up for a very long and fulfilling life of bible study. Book. It makes the dad proud. Alright. Here we go. Dear oh, life from the path.

I've always been a self sufficient, Buba. I grew up in an abusive household, moved out at 16, and cut off contact with my family. Well, hold on. I better push this back. I've always been a self sufficient woman. I grew up in an abusive household, moved out at 16, and cut off contact with my family a couple years later. When I had to become a parent, nothing would change. Nine months ago, my husband walked out on me and our three year old son. He has no interest in our child. Our roommate, Matt, became daddy to my son with my ex's blessing. I didn't follow. I want a divorce, but I'm not sure how to proceed. My ex and I have talked. He wants to give up his parental rights, and I have no interest in getting child support from him. All I want is my son. I can't afford a lawyer right now because of some financial obligations my ex left me saddled with, but I don't want to put this off. If anything were to happen to me, my son would go to my ex instead of the man he considers his dad. All my friends are either happily married or single, and I have no family to turn to for advice. I'm not religious, so I have no clergy person to consult. Is there some place I can turn to for help in ending this marriage, or do I just need to save up until I can afford legal counsel? Hold up. Okay.

So the ex but not divorced ex Uh-huh. And her are in agreement that they no longer even wanna be together. Yes. And they're in agreement about parental rights Yep. Which is one of the biggest problems within divorces. Now all they have to do is worry about stuff.

I could be completely off rocker here, but there's a chance that, like, this could just go to mitigation if we never actually hit trial. Yeah. Like, the Well, I think it's a lot cheaper, but it's still costing money. Yeah. Yeah. Right. But, like, she's talking about hire asking to hire a lawyer and stuff like that. Right? Like That's because she didn't know any better. Right. Okay. Well, there you go. Google this for a second because there's a chance that you may not ever go to trial. You could handle this all within mitigation, and and understand that, like, the parental rights are actually the biggest issue, and you have them solved. And so, yeah, you now you just gotta worry about who gets what stuff. You're not looking for child support, which is also a huge issue. That's easily taken care of. I mean, he will obviously have no problem signing the the guy because he's he's basically saying, I get nothing. Right. No responsibility.

I'm just Exactly. Free and clear. Here's a couch. I don't have to pay for this kid. Yeah. Yeah. I just okay. Well, here's what I'll say. I don't think you will need to go to as far into extent of the legal system as you think you will. And I would I would advise in this

time of challenge to to to actually go to the Bible and Right. You know, get to know Jesus and and see if he can help you through this. I mean, the truth is is I don't think you have to be religious. I think you could I mean Yeah. You could just felt like in and talk to a pastor. Clergy was alright. I mean, like, you know,

but, yeah, I I think it's is a it is an easy legal matter, but, like, obviously, there's a there's a lot going on here. Right? Like, there's a there's a lot of complication in this circumstance regardless of how easy this separation is. Like, there's long term impacts to this. Yep. And and I I have the pseudo relationship with this, quotes fella. Matt. Man in Matt in quotes. I mean, that that's that's still a long term thing, long term impact on a kid. So, like, mean, it might be a good time, I I am with Dan, just to kinda reevaluate where you're at here. And and maybe maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to talk to somebody and just say, hey. You know, what do you got? How can you help?

Because I because it may be maybe that'd be the opportunity to rethink some of your circumstances. And I agree. I think Jesus makes some of this a little bit easier. And here's the deal. I okay. I'm gonna say this low so it doesn't get out. But the truth is if you were a Jesus person and you have a loving church community, they tend to wanna help on things like that. Yeah. I mean, I'm just saying. I was gonna say that, but I didn't wanna, you know I'm just I'm gonna say it a little slow style. Don't wanna yeah. I mean, don't Don't don't win there with that purpose. Yeah. Right. When you're going through hardship, that's that's normally when we step up our best. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah, healthy community. The the I'll tell you this actually. From from experience dealing with people that are, just just relationships and stuff over the last few years,

one of the hardest things to solve are, people who have no community, people who just have no

nobody who is who has any influence in their lives. And so they are very not only are they, like, relationally isolated, but they are, no one can say anything that doesn't have to pass through their own their own kind of wall filter thing. And so, like, if no one has influence in your life, there's no one to set you straight and you're living off of whatever whims are in your own mind, good, bad, or indifferent. And and that is very, very difficult. Like, the power of,

regardless of how persuasive you think you are, the power of one person does not near stand up to a, a community of people, who that somebody can trust. And so,

I would say that you're kind of in a risky spot anyway. You're I I would not take life on my own and look around and say, I am Ben. I can handle all of this. I do not need anybody to help guide or shape or mold the things that I do. God has many people around me that can that can help me, not, like, call me out in, a I wanna hit you in the face with a bat type of way, except for some people at sometimes. But, like, I I just don't I don't trust myself to always look at the world right. I think that's silly to think that you can do that. And so if you find yourself with no no religious connections, no community around you, no family,

I here's the deal. You can solve all of them all of them by popping into the old church and, and ultimately trying to get hooked up with Jesus. And and, frankly, that starts starts to plug a lot of the risks that are kinda sitting out here. Here we go. Sekler says, your next step should be to contact your state bar association and find out if there are low cost legal services in your area. Like, get the yeah. Don't are there guys that do, like, pro bono work for that kind of thing? Colleges and stuff? I mean yeah. Yeah. If both parties are in agreement, a divorce can be amicable and not expensive. I wish you luck. Do not procrastinate.

Dear, live from the path. Some nights I talk in my sleep. It doesn't happen every night, and there is no rhyme or reason for it. Recently, my husband told me I said something during my sleep that made him angry. He didn't wanna get into a fight, we haven't discussed it more. I suspect I may have been having an adult dream and said a name other than his. Mercy. No, man. That took a turn for the worse. Now he tries to stay up later than me. What? I think he may be trying to question me while I'm sleeping in order to get more information out of me on the subject. My doctor said there's no guarantee my response would be true or even related to the questions my husband asked me. Should I confront my husband about whatever's bothering him or keep stressing myself out about what I may be saying in my sleep? Oh, yeah. Those are the only two options available. Right. Oh,

man. What are your thoughts, boys? A

conversation's always done. Right. Exactly. Like, I was just gonna say, like, you're married. You are married. You have made a commitment in whatever whatever capacity you wanted to be, whether it's a legal capacity or a capacity where you're making covenant with God. Whatever. Right? You guys are committed to each other at least for a while. Why not just have the conversation? Your husband is a boob that didn't wanna have a fight with you apparently, but is wanting to go magnum p I at 3AM and figure out what's going on. Up late just to check it out?

And how does he do it without seeming seeming conspicuous? Like, hey, sweetheart. I'm just gonna watch the game. There's no game on tonight. Oh, I recorded one. It's it's on till 3AM. You go bed. You just go to bed. No worries. I have work to do. Did you put margarine in that pie? This

guy is ridiculous. Gerald. Oh, come on, man. Okay. To to you if you know this is happening and your husband how how does she know that it's going on? That he knows about the dream?

The world? Oh, she doesn't know. She's just speculating that it's it's possibly something. No. He said my I said something during my sleep that made him angry, but he wouldn't say what it was. She speculated that it might have been an adult dream. Here's I see now now here's the thing. That her her first reaction must be, hey. I have a lot of adult style dreams about other men. Yes. I would. Said it out loud. I mean, that's rough. Oh. It's honest. Well, maybe she should stop that. How

does she control that? I you boo, I've been married for a long time. I it just I mean, I don't I can't tell you that it's happened to me. Just because it happened. Saying it never would. I I'm not saying you can't control your dreams all the time. But here's the thing. If you're careful what you put in there, and you're not thinking around people all the time, your mind will do crazy things, but it will not be consistent enough that that's the first reaction you have is perhaps I was talking about sparrow tonight. That's it. I'll give you that. Okay. Yeah. So monitor what you're taking in because your brain is just replaying things that it's come up with. Your brain can't create something from thin air. It actually has to use memories.

Well, not that specific. I mean, it can. I'm just saying, like No. But, like, in dreams often and enough that you think, you know what? It must be that thing that I think about a lot. Yeah. But, like, your brain can't come up with a face. Your brain uses the faces that it's seen before to to to populate dreams. No. That's not, well, it might maybe I suppose an amalgamate of stuff, but, like, I Yeah. But it's not, like, specifically your face, but, like, it has to use, like, physical attributes you've seen before. Your brain is in subconsciously, it cannot create those kind of things. That's a lie. I've had dreams of strangers, Boova. No. Yeah. I have. No. You okay. You may not realize you know the person,

but it's someone you've seen. You saw them at the fair. Yeah. You saw them passing by them in Walmart or saw them at the fair. Why can my why can my brain create, atmosphere and environments and rooms and architecture, some of which is really impressive? Like, I'm really impressed with my brain. It's it's kinda it's it's it makes up stuff based off of what you've seen.

But it's improved upon it. I've never been It may have improved upon it, but it's just it's it's selecting information that it already has. Your brain can't can't come up with a new thing creatively in subconscious state. Well well, but it's like how you see, though. Like, even you you see things not completely. Your your brain fills in gaps. Right. Like, that's how you sense motion and and and that kind of thing. Right? Like, this person moved from point a to point b or or or a plane or the cars on the commercials. Right? Like, things that I see that my mind can't keep up with, but, like, it fills in the gaps. So, like, it it interprets motion or interprets movement of idle objects over space and assumes how it gets there. Consciously. Yeah. Oh, no. No. No. I'm not I'm not having to think about it. It's autonomic. Right. But what I'm saying is like you're not dreaming or you're not sleeping at that point. Right. But what I'm saying is is that like, so it may take bits of reality and fill in gaps, but in dreams, the gaps are much bigger because you're not dealing with a full set of information. Right? And so, in effect, it's creating a new face simply because it's filling in a bunch of information from very two disparate places. Whereas in real time, when I'm conscious, I I'm processing maybe this is a false premise, but, right, like, it's a million bits of information. Yeah. No. I understand. There's a dream, maybe I'm processing 10, and then my brain is actually filling in all the gaps. I usually don't see the faces. It's like a blur or something. I don't know because I'm not looking at them. If I looked at them, I could focus in on the phone. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Or Yeah. I'll have a dream later. Think they were just people. I don't know. They were faceless They were Yeah. Kinda creepy. Like the the hand people from

Spy Kids or something. That's terrifying. Okay. The hand the thumb thumbs? Well, yeah. Whatever they were. Why do I know they're called thumb thumbs? I have no Alright. Whatever. Okay. Back to back to the scenario. I'm gonna dream about that. Back to the scenario at hand. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Have a conversation. Be adult and have a conversation. This is just silly. You guys need to stop trying to be Magna PI to each other. Just have a conversation. Go, sweetheart, I know something's going on that that's angered you. I'd like you to talk about it. I know you're trying not to be confrontational, but I am I'm getting paranoid about what's going on. Yeah. I would like to just talk about this and get over it. She she she is bored with her sex life. That's why she's consumed,

and she's concerned that she's dreaming about other guys. I mean, maybe he's terrible because he seems to have I mean, he can't think of any better reaction to his wife saying adult things than I stay up there. I mean, get in on it. I mean, do something. Yeah. I mean, the conversation needs to be had. It might go to an uncomfortable place, but That's part of the how it improves. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Otherwise, you'll just go twenty years angry. Right.

Wow. Alright. It says, secular advice is definitely talk to your husband and try to clear the air because avoiding the subject isn't healthy. Can't you just record it? I mean, like, who stays up late and interrogates his wife? Just put sentences. Put your phone on record and go see Is it Al? They go through an eight hour recording of your wife. Steven.

Are you dating a man named Hufferumphahumph? Is this a doctor Seuss book? If he's really suspicious because of something you may have said while you were dreaming, discussing this together with your doctor may put his mind at ease. I don't know if that helps. That's

just weird. Here's actually, here's the deal. So it it seems to me that the general population says, you know, we need to do something that we should be able to handle as legit adults, but we can't seem to do it. So we need to drag a random person in. Call your pastor or the doctor. Call your pastor or the doctor. Put them in the middle of that stuff. See what happens. Can't communicate effectively in your marriage? Call your pastor or doctor. I need a lawyer. I should check with the church. I should check with the church. We take people to court on Here's the this is a problem. I'm I'm gonna link this to Google. Google is the issue here because if you type the wrong thing into Google, Google figures it out.

Right? We have not figured out how to correctly search for things and get the information we need to from actual places. And we figured, oh, I'm having marital issues. I'll talk to my doctor. We don't have critical thinking. And I'm I'm having law issues. I'm gonna speak to my pastor. Come on. No. That's true. Like, actually, the, the doctor and the pastor were the former Google where people would show up and just random things and you had to realign where they was going. If you said if you type into the Google, can I put mayonnaise on my toast? And they'd be like, did you mean peanut butter? Because mayonnaise is outrageous. Yeah. You go, that's weird. You're not in Sweden. So, like, fifty years ago, you have to ask that to the pastors, like, you know, I'm just a man of the low with bacon. Yeah. With lettuce. Bacon. Some tomato. That's right. The pasture knows everything. Did you mean peanut butter and jelly? Yeah. How'd you know, Google?

Alright. Let's see. Let's see. So I I've had probably the last, I don't know, five I don't know when it started. I don't if it's an age thing or busy thing or something. Well, I'll take, like, an a nap in the afternoon, like like, I just did on Easter. Know, I sit in a chair, and I'll fall asleep in a chair. And I I'll start dreaming. I'm, like, yelling at somebody or something, But it always comes out like, and and and, like, I'll wake myself up. And then everybody's laughing at me. And I'm like, what are you going for? Because I have no idea. I said but it was really good in my head. I have no idea what the word, you know. Wait. So you said out loud the thing? I'll go out loud. But in my dream, I'm actually, you know, saying something to somebody, you know. And I usually can't even remember who I was talking to or what I was saying because I'll wake myself up, you know. I was gonna say, do you guys remember your dreams? Like Once in a while. Vividly? Sometimes they're really vivid. Yeah. Sometimes they're like

yeah. I have a weird I remember most like, I I'd say the majority, like, up to putting it over at 90% of my dreams Yeah. And remember them creepily and vividly. And to the point that, like, I can call upon, like, specific dreams I had ten years ago and what happened within them and where I was. And I can on the recipient can reconstruct the mental picture that I had of the in the dream now. Like, I'm literally thinking of one right now that I can remember exactly what was happening. Even this morning is Michael Damascus. Nice.

At the airport. Like, I don't even know why. I was in the airport, and I thought, I think I'll put my army uniform on, which I'm not in the army. I was gonna say, Dan, you're in the military? So I put my army camouflage on. Don't go to the airport in camo. And I decided, wait a minute. I think I'll go to this conference. So I went to the airport, and I had a gun.

Then I'm like, oh, no. It worse than that? Like for Dan? Yeah. It was just the weirdest dream. And then, like, Mike was like, hey, Mike. You go in there, I think. It was, yeah. Oh, great. Oh, no. I've got a gun. Now I'm gonna I'm gonna miss my flight because I can go back home. Mean, it was just wasn't boring. What? What? Yeah. None of it made sense. I was playing computer games with my dad. Oh. That was the last deal I could we weren't doing anything. We were just playing computer games. Like, today? It was two days ago. Those you know what? Get old deep here. Those are the best dreams in the world. To me, when you dream of someone who's passed Oh, totally. They're like is like a gift I can dig on those. It's like a gift. Unless they're, like, really bad, and I did something wrong, and I'm getting yelled at for not cleaning my room. Did you put mayonnaise on the toast, son?

No. That's for peanut butter and jelly, not a mayo and jelly, you weirdo. First couple times it happened to me, like, in the middle of the dream, I thought, wait a minute, she's not alive. Right. And then all of sudden, was like a zombie. Uh-huh. Then it was like creepy. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Logic crept in like, hold up. Wait. Wait a minute. Wait. I mean Then I was like, no wait. Embrace this. Hi, mom. Right. Exactly. It's like, wait. She's not a zombie. Talk to her. That's awesome.

But she never talks back. Alright. You know, I think that's enough. I think I think I think you can handle yourselves from here. You're listening to Dreams From The Past. You're listening to Live From The Past. Hey. Actually, this sounds like a great idea. Here's what I want you to do. I want you to

type up your dreams and send them in and we will we will interpret them for you. We will. Yes. Go ahead and have some mushrooms first. Yes. Don't don't take Zequil or anything like that or Ambien because then it'll be really weird. No. Yeah. I can't. That's too much. I I we want we like I wanna be right. Email us your dreams. We will do an on air interpretation of your dreams and what they might be. This is great. Keep them keep them generally not rated x if possible. If you're saying some random dude's name, we don't need to know it. Tell us tell us about your dreams of the Easter bunny. Info at life from the path dot org. Hey. We will see you next week. In the meantime, be faithful and means. God will handle the ends. You've been listening to Live From The Path.