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Live From The Path · Season 2018, Episode 18

The Weight of Grace

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Segments

  • Opening: vintage Pioneer headphones from the Goodwill outlet 0:02–2:38
    The hosts open the show from the Pathway Studios. One host tries out a pair of 1970s Pioneer SC-205 headphones bought for about $1.85 by weight at the Goodwill outlet on the South Side after looking them up on eBay, and jokes that the listeners are part of history.
  • Do Christians actually feel the weight of salvation? 2:38–4:22
    The hosts lay out the night's central conversation: whether a believer actually feels the emotional weight of the gift of salvation. One host shares how a kid told him he worked through something one day and forgot it the next, and asks whether feeling that weight should change how a person acts.
  • Did Paul feel it? The marriage analogy 4:22–5:42
    The hosts ask whether the apostle Paul's letters show any emotional weight behind the gospel or just fact-by-fact instruction, and compare it to human love: one host says he has occasionally been struck by how much his wife loves him out of nowhere, while others say that rarely happens to them.
  • Francis Chan quote: emotion does not measure genuineness 5:42–7:40
    One host recounts reading Francis Chan's Letters to the Church, where Chan writes that a god who died for our sins should knock us to our knees every time we hear it; the host admits he believes it and has built his life around it but is not knocked to his knees. The hosts agree the amount of emotion does not reflect whether a belief is true or genuine, comparing it to raised hands in worship.
  • Prayer postures and personal reverence rituals 7:41–10:02
    The hosts discuss the physical ways people pray: leaning forward, taking a hat off, prostrate postures. They describe these as personal standards absorbed from their background rather than biblical mandates, and agree intentionally violating one's own such standard would feel wrong even if no verse requires it.
  • Obedience over emotional weight; the 'emotional tattoo' 10:03–14:04
    The hosts conclude that the proper reaction to the gospel is obedience, which goes further than feeling an emotional weight. One host describes wanting the emotion to linger as an 'emotional tattoo' that reminds him to stay faithful, and they note Paul's letters repeat truths precisely because people forget them so quickly, like the poverty they have all seen firsthand and then moved on from.
  • Heaven, funerals, and Colin Inglebinger's death anniversary 14:05–15:08
    One host says he does have an emotional response to the idea of heaven, usually after funerals where he has talked a lot about heaven, and mentions that the day is the anniversary of Colin Inglebinger's death. The hosts agree that feeling fades within days while the underlying faith remains.
  • Chasing the emotion vs pursuing the thing; the spin-off idol 15:10–17:49
    The hosts warn that chasing the emotional experience is not holy, but pursuing the thing itself is. One host says people can end up worshipping a spin-off version of Jesus: one aspect of his character turned into a golden calf, and when it does not come through they abandon the whole faith.
  • The social justice gospel and idolizing justice 17:50–19:20
    One host raises the 'social justice gospel' conversations he has seen online, arguing the real accusation behind the term is idolatry: righting wrongs and facing injustice is the church's deal, but it becomes an idol when it is treated as God's only platform or worshipped above God himself. The hosts agree you cannot overemphasize justice, only idolize it.
  • A new believer's church search; every church's blind spot 19:20–21:02
    One host met a new believer who is struggling to find a church that will teach her to live like Jesus, and who asked him what the 'kinky stuff' is about his church, meaning each church's weird idolized thing. The hosts agree every church has a blind spot, probably including theirs.
  • The grace we give ourselves; slow-rolling discipleship 21:02–22:48
    One host argues the New Testament lays out a lifelong refinement but also expects roughly 95% of a new believer's life to change immediately, contrasting that with the church's slow-rolling discipleship plans where six years later someone is 'up to 12%'. Following Jesus, he says, should make life look different right away.
  • Self-deception, addictions, and the $6 coffee 22:50–25:49
    The hosts discuss James's image of the self-deceived man who forgets his own face: saying you will give everything to orphans and then buying a $6 coffee without thinking, paralleling addiction relapses where people find themselves drinking without deciding to. One host says this gives him more sympathy for people in addiction, and argues God's grace comes down like a rescuer even while refusing to soften the sin.
  • Introductory remarks end; no complaint-line entries 25:49–26:50
    The hosts wrap the opening conversation, note there are zero entries on the complaint line this week, and invite calls and texts at (515) 517-0085. They then pivot to a fresh comment on their earlier YouTube discussion about brass knuckles legality.
  • Brass knuckles legality and the 'bearded basement super friends' comment 26:50–35:45
    The hosts re-read a YouTube comment on their brass knuckles discussion, rattle through Iowa's 'is it illegal to…' Google suggestions (rainwater, bats, driving barefoot, dumpster diving), read Iowa code chapter 724 section 4 on carrying dangerous weapons, and read the commenter's angry response claiming three years automatic prison in New Jersey and that 'one of the bearded basement super friends' could be shot in self-defense. They adopt the insult as a badge of honor and want t-shirts.
  • Museum of the Bible's forged Dead Sea Scroll fragments 35:45–44:28
    The hosts discuss the news that the Museum of the Bible in Washington DC says five of its Dead Sea Scroll fragments are fake and will no longer be displayed. They explain what the Dead Sea Scrolls are, how they validate the Masoretic text, how forgers write on ancient scraps, and the Green family's $500 million museum, then note the forgeries do not change the textual evidence and check that admission is donation-suggested.
  • Banksy's self-shredding painting 44:11–46:38
    The hosts tell the story of the Banksy painting that shredded itself through a hidden frame mechanism at Sotheby's right after selling for over a million dollars, and joke that the shredded scraps are now worth even more.
  • Transition: Christian witches deferred; Dear LFTP begins 46:40–46:50
    One host says he was going to talk about Christian witches but it can wait, and another reads the first Dear LFTP letter.
  • Dear LFTP: wife took a job six hours away 46:52–52:04
    A listener married thirteen years writes that his wife secretly applied for and accepted a job six hours from family, and now says he and their 11-year-old daughter should pack up and go. The hosts suspect the letter leaves out large portions of the story (possible financial collapse, the wife being the sole breadwinner), advise that a move should have been a joint decision, and read the Secular answer: discuss with an attorney before it goes further.
  • Dear LFTP: the crabby neighbor's pumpkins 52:05–57:21
    A listener complains about 'crabby Kathy' next door, whose pumpkin vines crept through the fence onto the listener's property, and asks whether the two pumpkins now growing there belong to the listener. The hosts say the pumpkins are not theirs, advise an adult conversation with the neighbor or just buying a cheap pumpkin, and read the Secular answer: return what was taken, apologize, and do not escalate.
  • Sign-off and complaint-line invitation 57:22–57:32
    The hosts close the show, invite disagreement and wiser ways of living, and ask listeners to call or text the complaint line at (515) 517-0085.

Bible references

  • James 1:23-24

    the self deceit… you're done looking in the mirror and you forget your own face

  • Ephesians

    Dear Ephesians, oh, by the way, woah

  • Jeremiah

    I believe they're, like, from Jeremiah

  • Leviticus

    they've got portions of… some of the prophets and portions of Leviticus

  • Exodus 32

    you can end up worshiping… It's the calf

Key questions

  • Is it normal to actually feel the emotional weight of what Christ did for you, and what would that feel like? (host-framed)
  • Is there something wrong with my faith if I don't emotionally feel the weight of the gospel? (host-framed)
  • Is it illegal to own or carry brass knuckles in Iowa? (host-framed)
  • What exactly are the Dead Sea Scrolls? (host-framed)
  • Should I pack up my daughter and move six hours away with my wife after she secretly accepted a job? (listener)
  • Do pumpkins growing on my property from my neighbor's vines belong to me? (listener)

People

  • Francis Chan
  • Colin Inglebinger
  • Jason Eaton
  • Banksy
  • Green family
  • Krabby Kathy

Full transcript

Live from the Pathway Studios in Johnston Proper. You are live from the Pathway

And you're listening to live from the Path. We're coming from the Pathway Studios here in Johnston Proper. Yeah. I'm where hold on. Trying out the old Pioneer s c two zero five tonight. It's Pioneer. It's gotta be good. I got well, see, that's what I saw. So I saw these I saw them at the at the thrift store

in the so have you guys been to the Google outlet? Or not the Google why do I keep saying the Google outlet? The Goodwill the Goodwill outlet. Yeah. Where they put up all the stuff in the bins and you and they sell it to you by weight? Yeah. Dan, have you been I never have. It's on the South Side. And so, yeah, they just bring these big bins out and they all got, I mean, just piles of junk and clothes and stuff. Brother by his purse. That's right. That's right. Exactly right. Worried about it. I just never yeah. So I I was on the South Side picking up a kid, and I thought, hey, man. I'm out here. A reasonable excuse to go digging through stuff. It's like it's like opportunity there. Are you saying picking up one of your own kids? Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We abandoned them on the South Side and thought we better best pick them up. And so but, anyway, I go I go and I dig through the the barrels and stuff, and I come across these headphones, and they they're like big nineteen seventies looking cans. If you if you're only on the audio, you can't see them. But, like, they're they're they're pretty robust and they were pioneers and I thought, well, these are these are funky. And so I looked them up real quick on eBay to see Yeah. Whether they were legit. And, some fellas had some pretty positive things to say. And so I thought, well, heck, I'm gonna pick them up. And I think I if you if I barrel out the weight, it had to have cost me, like, a buck 85 or something for these headphones. It's one of a giant one of those egg shaker percussion Yeah. Wheelies cut in half That's right. On yeah. Right on the head. Yeah. Yeah. They're a little boxy.

But anyway, just know that if you're listening tonight, you're part of history. I'm taking it in in these vintage s c two zero fives and you won't doesn't matter to you one bit. Yeah. Super interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks, Ben. Alright. Yeah. There we go. So, anyway, you're listening live from the Pathway. We gotta go on the show tonight. So first of all, we gotta check, gotta check the complaint line and see if there's any action on it. I think I'll do that. Mike, I, I thought we're we were talking about something. Shoot. Do you have anything?

I mean, I got some deer laughs from the past. We were talking about the weight, like, feeling the weight of, you know, the gift that we've been given through salvation. And and whether you actually feel that or not, whether it's normal to feel it or not feel it or, you know, that kind of thing. We were we were talking about that as we walked in a little bit as as in in fact, one of the kids came up with a prime example where they're like, hey, you know, I

I was doing this thing and we talked about it and I thought I had it all all straightened out, you know, and then the next day, I'd I'd find myself tooting around and completely forgotten that it was turned out to be a big deal. And and and I thought, man, if if the weight of what we had talked about had settled in, then you wouldn't have forgotten. So it can't mean that much to you. Yeah. And then it translates to, you know, if if the weight of of of the gift that Christ has given me by dying for, you know, the punishment of my sin and allowing me to be back close to the father, if the weight of that would hit me correctly, maybe I'd stop acting like a fool. So why hasn't it hit me? And so we thought we were that's what we were talking about is whether, like, whether it's normal

to feel that weight or and and and actually, what does it look like to feel the weight? Like, you weep in a corner? Our grand consortium was that that I don't know that that any of us feels like we feel it, you know, in some kind of deep and heavy way. So I I don't know. I'm I'm I'd be that's a perfect thing for the complaint line is to talk about it like Right. Right. I mean, do do you feel it? Do you feel like it like it hits you heavy and like, you know, it's profound from you know, when you meditate upon the scriptures where it says, you know, that that Christ died for you, does do you go, oh, man. I really yes. I I really understand that. Because I actually, I don't. I don't feel like it ever hits me that way. Like reading through scripture, is there any indication that, say, the apostle Paul in his writings communicated he felt it? I I can't think of in the offhand. He felt when god blinded him. Well well, right. Yeah. Mean, there was in his initial mind. Woah. Yeah. Like, this is big. Yeah. But he didn't, like, walk around. Dear Ephesians, oh, by the way, woah.

I mean Yeah. I mean, there's not a lot of pauses and ellipses or whatever where he lets the the moment sink in, you know, But he just explains it fact by fact and says, here's the thing. Here's here's what we expect. Here's what your behavior should be. Here's everything that that that God did for you by showing his love. And and and I I don't know. Think of it the same way with a human interaction. Do you ever are driving down the road and you're like, boy, it just hit me right now how much my wife loves me. Yeah. Shoot. I really wish I could say that happens to me. I have had that. I have dad's had How much I love her. And I think, where did that come from? It's all. That doesn't happen every week or anything but I can I can say it has happened

numerous times over the years where we just like There it happens to Dan? God bless me. So She's alright. Okay. Crap.

Now I'm feeling worse about my relationship with God. Well, that's what I'm saying. Maybe it's a deal. Maybe it's not a deal. I I don't know. And here's the thing. If it is a deal, I would like it. And I will I I need to spend more time, I guess, if that's the thing. I mean, am I too cavalier with my with my time with I don't I don't know if it's a spend more time, like like here's the deal. As you get to know like, it's with any relationship, right, the closer you get, the more likely you feel it

when there there are there's an interaction between parties or or, like, when someone insults your friend versus

or even even, like, slightly versus something that might happen to a stranger that you're barely paying attention to, you start to feel that. It becomes something that becomes part of you. And so I think that is something that can change. But, like, I don't know I I I don't know that that it's it's the right thought to say, I I want that I'm going to put forth efforts so that I may feel this. Yeah. Because it like, it it is it is a it is a true thing. And if and you believe the true thing, it does seem like it hits people differently. Like, what I was is I just read a book by Francis Chan called Letters to the Church. And

one of the things he says in there is he's talking about something we we serve a god who died on died for our sins. And if that doesn't knock to knock you to your knees every time you hear it, I don't know what does. And I'm like, dang. I just, you know, I don't I'm not really knocked to my knees on it. I I I believe it and and it informs basically everything that that comes after it

but, like I am right. You have a life that has been built around it. Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Outpouring. Yeah. That's right. But I don't I just don't know that it has like, I don't know that it's ever had that particular effect where, like, I I saw it or felt it or had it changed my life emotionally the way that a guy like that has said it does. And so and so but I don't I don't I don't know that it has to. Like, I I don't know that scripturally, I look and I say,

that has been the reaction. Like, they are reacting to true things that have gone on, and I don't wanna make it sound like a cold exchange because I don't think that. I think God roots out and is part of everything in your life. But, like, I don't know that it has to be, emotionalized

to be genuine. Like, amount of emotion does not reflect the fact that it's true or that it's a genuine thing. So so we we've we I think we've said almost the same thing on on worship, right, where people will close their eyes, raise their hand, something, you know, and and I mean, could you extend that to so much as as the way that you position yourself when you pray? You know, like, when you find people in you know, prostrate and and praying with their head to the ground and and, you know, in in a reverence,

you know, is is that an is that a weight or an emotional type response? Or is it just something that we don't do as a culture and so we haven't given it, you know, much of anything? I don't I can't I can't, like, lay back in a slacquered posture when I pray. Yeah. I I don't know how many times I'll be I'll be sitting back, you know, and all of sudden they're gonna pray. I I I don't and I don't know why. It's just a a reverent thing or whatever. They all I'll lean forward and, like, get my arm off whatever I'm doing if I've my arm around my wife or something and and, like, okay, this is like prayer time and Yeah. That's probably a cultural thing, I would think. Yeah. But this this because I'll

I'll even have that moment of, God doesn't really care. Right. I can have my arm over here if I want and I'm like, can't do it. I did that like last week. Yeah. I removed my arm and I moved forward and I'm like, okay, you know, this Yeah. Is I I often pray on the way of Macphobe every week. I pray on the way to the show. I'm, praying, god, we use the show to either our benefit or someone else's. And I take my and I take my hat off when I'm driving. It's just a thing. You know? And then I put it back on when I'm done and, like, I wait to turn, you know, to turn the radio down and I wait to turn my hat back on, turn the radio up, and keep it driving. And if I start to pray, like, to continue something or thought that I had with god earlier, my hat comes kinda right back off, which is weird because I actually don't do that all the time. Most Sunday mornings, I teach with a hat on. And so, like, it's it's a weird it's weird what you pick and choke what you choose. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Like, what what what is it from our background that made us think, hey, we should do this. Yeah. But it'd be almost a violation if we don't. Right. Right. Right. And so and maybe just because, like, it's it's it was your even if it's not a biblical standard,

it's your standard and you're you don't wanna you wouldn't wanna intentionally violate it. Intentionally say, you know what? I don't care about this because, like, whatever the line was, you cared about it and said this means something Yeah. And I wanna be faithful to it. I don't I don't care if somebody else breaks that statement because it's like, I can't give you a verse. Right. But I just can't. Yeah. Yeah. So so I suppose it it all kind of bundles up in the same conversation, I guess. Is it like one, is it is there something wrong with my faith if I don't feel it that way? And I would say that when it sounds just like from the three fellows in this room right now, we're not walking around and

feeling emotionally the weight that some people would talk about like, hey, you Christ died on the cross for your sins. We can acknowledge it. I think there are times where, like, I I most certainly have felt it emotionally that I needed it, recognizing that it's true, but not not the not like a guilt burden of it of it having to occur. And I don't I don't know that it even says much about us if it like, if you'd like, I I I'm not sure it there's there's there's not an implicit value in it that says, hey, you are there's a a closer relationship with god because it's there.

The proper acknowledgment of god is he does as he pleases. Frankly, reacting in obedience is a stronger thing than even, say, feeling an emotional weight because obedience takes it one step further and says, in reaction to this thing that has gone on, I will do this. I will change or I will subjugate whatever actions or thoughts I intend to do to be able to do this thing. I think it's frankly, it's there's a sense of wanting desire for those types of things because I feel like they would make it like, mean, you were kinda talking about this. It feels like it would make it easier to to do to be faithful in some obedience or whatever because you're like, man, if I just carried this thing longer or more often or more consistently, it would be there to remind me so that I don't do x y and z that is offensive to god or separates or, you know, puts a hole in our relationship or whatever. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. It's like it's but but you're it's almost like an ask from a functional perspective. Because I want to be faithful to you as you have been faithful to me,

can I have this emotional reminder stick with me so that I react to it? It's like a tattoo. It's an emotional tattoo. Something that stays with you to remind you to do x y z because of how it makes you feel. Well, and and and, you know, the same thing could be said said to be true about, you know, even the way that we that we live most of the time, like, everybody is fully aware that there are people starving. Right? And we will continue to even buy things that are stupid. We will Yeah. Right. And we will continue to to somehow, you know, like, serve ourselves in this weird way. And we are fully aware of this situation. But the weight, you feel like if if the weight were to hit you, you'd just be you'd be aghast at yourself. You'd be so embarrassed of the things that you've done that you could not continue due because the just the the glaring fact that you've met them and they're and and so but we still do. Right? We still do. Now all of us have been to Africa. All of us have been to a poverty stricken area. All of us have been to a poverty here in The United States. And,

you know, we we get involved to a certain extent, and then after a while, you go, well, it kinda is what it is, you know, and and and move on. And and, like, either that's completely shameful or completely shameful. Yeah. I I I so I I think that's that's the reason, right, like, why we need reminded of those things. This is reason Paul reminds people of those things

is that, like, because we lose them so quickly. And so I think there's a value to that. I don't know I don't know that the emotional attach the emotional response to it is of any higher consequence or value than than the actual, like, actual understanding of it and saying, yes, I accept that this was the case, I believe that and in reaction, I do blah blah blah. Yeah. It's just emotions tend to stick around longer. I think that that's kind of the point, right? It's like like, you you know, the feeling that you had when you saw the impoverished village and felt at that moment, like, want to do something and I'm willing to sacrifice to get there. And then as soon as that that thing is gone, you're done looking in the mirror and you forget your own face and you get yourself back somewhere else and that motion is no longer there to kind of push you in the right direction. And without that, it it it seems a lot harder to make the decisions that you wanna make. And so, like, there is a very powerful and a good thing around those emotional things. But I just don't I gotta be careful that it doesn't speak anything about your faith necessarily.

I will, like, have an emotional response to the idea of heaven. Oftentimes, after leaving a funeral,

that I have talked a lot about heaven. Right. You know, if that makes And I'll sit there and think and and I'll have this weird feeling once a while almost of like, man, I'm kind of jealous of that guy we just put around. Yeah. And which is really kind of weird. Right. But then, you know, the next week is like, oh, yeah, heaven. You know, we can talk about it. Yeah. Sure. But like Regular living. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But well well, today is the anniversary of Colin Inglebinger's death. Oh, right. Yeah. Yeah. You know? And and so his his was a funeral. Like, for that whole week it was just kinda like

Yeah. You know, mean, was sad but it was like, still, wow. Fuck. Yeah. I get to do that someday. But that that that kinda leaks, you know, that emotion and you then you go back to your faith of, well, I'm gonna go there someday. Yeah. Yeah. And I still know that to be true. Yeah. I'm not feeling it like at eleven right now but Yeah. I'm I'm with you. Yeah.

So I suppose, like, one of the risks you run, I suppose, is trying to chase that emotional feeling around those types of things, which are which is good. Right? Like, it's not inherently raw. It's not bad. Right? It's not bad to be excited for for heaven. It's not bad to have an emotional response to seeing injustice in the world and saying god makes things right, and we're supposed to be a part of that. I should get in on it. Mhmm. I think that's okay. But, like, there is a

it's not holy to chase the emotion of it, but it is holy to pursue the actual thing of it. Right? The thing that says, I'm I know I will the faith that says, I know I will be in heaven one day. The the faith that says, like, we actually do need to persist in this whether it feels like it or not. We should persist in the purse in in the pursuit of of injustice. Because actually, you can end up you can end up worshiping. Right? Like, it can be exactly what god said don't do and it's creating a I a spin off idol of him, like a representation of him that's not him. It's the calf. Yeah. Yes. It's exactly what it ended up being. And and, like, man, I pro I got countless number of dudes behind me that I've

they chased a a spin off version of Jesus and not they still let let let God be God, but they found an aspect of his character or one of his promises that they really wanted and they worshiped that. And then when it didn't come through, they bailed the whole thing. Yeah. I've talked to many people over the years who, if the emotion wasn't there, they felt like their faith was gone. Yeah. And, yeah, they missed that teeth part. Well, because the truth is you didn't actually do it. Right? Like Yeah. You know, I it I've it's countless countless people that I've talked to where they said, look, I, you know, I just don't feel God in my life or I feel like God has let me down, he's not doing these things. I'm like,

did you actually try? Did you did you try to follow him? Oh, yeah. I went to church and I'm like, no. I mean, did you did you did you hang out with him? Like, I made you pray. And I mean, just spend time with him. Spend time in your bible by yourself. You know, did you do any of these things And and pray on your oh, yeah. I I prayed, you know, every once in a while on my problems and and they persisted. Listen, you're not you're not following me what I'm saying here, you know. And and and the truth of the matter is most people that I know that have failed on Jesus or stopped following him never actually followed him in the first place. They they they ran into the buffet. They tried to grab as many rolls as they could, claim victory, and haul out. And and and Jesus hadn't even stood up to speak yet, You know? And and and it's what a what a huge bummer. What a huge bummer. You put all this work and and and and facade into it, and you totally missed the main speech of the man who who you were there for. You know? Actually, you know what, that that conversation that you the thing we were just talking about about people latching on to certain things and making an idol made me I've seen a lot of conversations around the social social justice gospel. It's like and and people tend to mean it very derogatively.

And, like, these guys are pursuing social justice. And, really, the accusation, I think, is that that you've made it an idol. Because, like, at its core, being part of righting wrongs and facing injustice in the world very much seems like something that like, we're we're good. That's kind of our deal. God ultimately does that and he points us to be part of that. And so, like, there there cannot be any disagreement about that, I don't think.

But I think that what what the risk is is that above worshiping and following God, we worship that aspect of his character that says we're gonna right wrongs and, like, we ignore other things that God is doing or we we act like that is God's only only platform or portion of his character. And, like so I think that's a pretty good example where I've I've seen a lot of guys generally, I've I've they overstep in their critique.

Like, they distance people of god from that war simply because they think there are people that are putting too much emphasis on it. I don't think you can overemphasize it. I think you just you got to be careful not to idolize it. And and and I think it's it's kind of that same thing. It's like it's not a it's not a wrong thing, but it's not a but it's it's not God himself either. And so, like, being real careful that you don't otherwise make an idol out of something that is that is that type of type of thing or an emotional response or or, frankly, even the even the the good feelings that come off with with fighting injustice. Like,

you'd there's a personal benefit to that because you know you're doing the right things. It's just can't worship them. Yeah. Yeah. I met a gal last night who is trying to find a a church where where she can learn Jesus. Right? Know, she just she just wants to recently became a believer and she's struggling to find a place. She's like, Jesus stuff. Okay.

And she's like, well, what what okay. What's what's the kinky stuff about your church? I'm like, I don't think I know what you mean. Like, every church has their weird thing. Yeah. Social justice or or whatever, you know, you know, and then she mentioned a couple of churches she's gone to and that their weird thing. I'm like, probably a blind spot for them, so it's probably a blind spot for us too. It's a I I I honestly don't know but but I'm sure there's something, you know Yeah. That we idolize somehow that Yep. That we don't even realize that you have to really evaluate what you're doing and and where your heart's at on things, I think, to see if you have any idols. Hey, man. It'd be interesting what she's got, like, three months from now. And he's like, well, what is our blind spot? Yeah. I I don't know. What's the kink here? Yeah. Holy cow. Maybe she's the maybe she's the prophet that everybody kicks out because he just brings nothing but bad news. Yeah. By the way, you worshiping youth ministry. Oh, no.

Get out of here. Well, she seemed pretty cool. I mean, she wasn't, like, negative on anybody. She just like, I'm just trying to wanna learn how to live like Jesus. I asked a preacher in one church and he said, what do what do I do? And he goes, well, you just keep coming. It'll it'll you'll catch on. He's like, no. I want more than that. Yeah. You what? You know what? Actually, I was I was that's another thing I was thinking about today. It's like and it it goes into the tune of the last couple three weeks, I think we've been talking about this, but just the amount of grace that we give ourselves. And, like, the the New Testament does lay out a a lifelong of refinement,

you know, of of of of nailing this thing. But, like, I think we like to drag it out as if it's done in, like, bits and pieces. We're really, like, when someone decides to follow Christ, there's a good 95% of your life should just be changed now. Because that's what you said you were going to do. You're going to follow Jesus. And following behind, six inches behind Jesus, looking at his heels, makes your life look way different. And the other 5% go through some refinement, you know, till it getting better. But, like, we start at, like, 3% and go, yeah, it's making some good progress. And six years later, it's like, he's up to 12% really starting for the change. You know? And, like, it's just I mean, you look at people that that that got to know Jesus, especially in the New Testament

and and and and the following the disciples and whatever, these people are turning around and starting churches like that. I mean, within weeks, months, days, whatever. And we're not talking like twenty years of life refinement before they're preaching the gospel. They're like, good news, heard it, took it in, other people need to know. Here we go. And out they go. And, like, we have this weird, like, just slow rolling discipleship plan for people that I don't know whether we're not asking enough out of them or, like, I I not telling the whole truth of where I realize what you're signing up for. You're saying you're gonna follow Jesus. Like, there should be certain things that just start dropping off, you know, immediately. And you're gonna have struggles and you're still gonna have sin. But, like, we're just handing out our own grace here for our slow, dumb dumb wittedness, you know, on some of the things that we're that we're supposed to be doing. And so I don't know whether a good, you know, smack about the ear works or I don't know I don't know what it takes. Smack about the ear? I I I don't know. How do you get people moving? I don't know. We were talking about that in in the context of this conversation, though, was how easily things fall away or the the tempt or the the temptations around

going back to to behavior. I mean, some of that is that. Yeah. Right? Like, how quickly, like, the emotional you go, hey. I wanna I wanna help the the orphans. I I mean, I'm totally in. And then you're three weeks out and you're back in your house and now you're like, well, I I do I do wanna help the orphans. You're probably doing alright. Yeah. But I've gone but like and and and it's holding it's that what does James call it? It's it's the self deceit. It's the the ability to deceive oneself because you're like, I really do wanna help the orphans. Yes. I will take this $6 coffee. Like, those things do not go together. I am being deceived by myself. Yeah. It's a trap. Yeah. It's a trap. It's a trap. Right? And so, like, I that's the thing. It's like, it's so easy to to to want to do the right thing. And, like, sometimes it's expressed most often, it's expressed in the other way. And we're talking about this, like, with addictions and stuff. And, like, the the the longer the longer I live, the more sympathy or at least the more I I understand what folks that have some of these addictions are are up against. Because, like, when I say, hey. I'm going to do this thing in the affirmative, they're saying, hey. I'm not going to do this thing in the negative. And then three days later, they're back doing the thing. I'm like, what the heck is the matter with you? When I, again, I handed over the $6 for the coffee when I said, look, I'm gonna give everything I got. I'm gonna every spare change, it's going Yeah. It's going to the orphans. And and and, like, I I I very much wanted to give to the orphans.

I just wasn't even thinking about it when I bought the coffee. They very much didn't want to relapse into this thing. And, like and there's just probably a greater pull than mine is. Yeah. And so, like, it's just a little there's a little bit more grace for, like, how strong it is, for us actually to be duplicitous, to to be inconsistent with ourselves, have every right intention, and then still do every wrong thing

without any intent, like, direct will for it. Hey. I really want to drink this whiskey. Maybe even not. They just found themselves drinking the whiskey. You're like, how could you just find yourself? You had to drive to the bar. You had to get up to the bar. You had to order the whiskey. But then how many times do I do I find myself on the drive through? Yep. Right? Yep. I'm not gonna do this thing, and I'm like, you know what? I already was I'm in the line. Number one, Coke. Yeah. It says tomorrow. And it's not like Tomorrow will be healthy. There's a guy in the booth next to you going, hey, man. Aren't you recovering fast food, man? You're like, dang it. I've been found out. You know? Like, we just don't have those guys because they're not big bell ringers. You know? But like the other dudes, it's social stigma and you're the worst of the worst and I listen, I ain't giving any excuses to these things. Right? Right. You need to get out of there. You're destroying yourself and you're destroying people around you. Like, you hear what I'm saying? But, like, maybe in the way that we view them, we're not we're not coming down just like God does. He's not coming down any less harsh on the sin. Right? But he's saying, I love you from what from where you're at and I understand what you're doing. Let's get you out of it. Let's let's move it out of there. And so, like, sometimes we lose our I know I've done it. I lose my grace after a while and I'm like, my patience has run out. It's time for the Lord's patience to step in because I'm out. I'm tapped. I got nothing. You know? And only to realize that, like, I've been just as guilty about everything that just came out of my mouth on something else that wasn't socially as unacceptable.

Right. Right. Yours a line from the path. That was our introductory remarks. Hey. There were no Let's get into the meeting now. Two two bits of good news. One, that there are no entries on the complaint line. None at all? Either people are very happy with the show

or they don't have time to complain. We need we need to ramp things up a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think your dress is unholy. Women should wear pants. Yeah. All the time. Wait. I'm on the opposite side. Dan. Yeah. Hey.

Who do you agree with? Ben or Dan? Alright. Yeah. Call the complaint line. (515) 517-0085. We can do calls and texts. Go ahead hit up that complaint line, and we would like to hear from you. Second of all, there's a fresh comment on the YouTube Really? On our brass knuckles discussion. No kidding. I need to I feel like I need to go back and listen to this because now I don't understand what this guy what his reaction was. But so we did a we did a discussion talking about the legality of brass knuckles. And Can you play it? How long of a clip is it? It's pretty extensive. Hold on. Maybe I'll give it give it just a little bit of a clip. Hold on. Let me, let me let me give it some volume if this establishes some content.

Booberies to the extent that you might need a brassier. Hey. So we were we were talking about this on the way in. Is it it's illegal to have brass knuckles, but is it illegal to have, like, steel knuckles? Or are all knuckles illegal? Can you own extra knuckles? Is that the question? And is it also illegal to put brass knuckles on, say, a chain around your neck so people know, yeah, that's what's up?

It's because you can't wear them and swing them at people but can you just put them on a chain and be, like, yeah, I own some. Don't make me put them on a Is it actually illegal to actually to even own them? I don't know. I don't think it's illegal to own them, I think it's just the use of that that you get into the whole illegal thing. So I think it's really fine if have them. Hold on a second. I I just I wanna share this because I was about to Google it and here's the I got through, is it illegal? And here are the options. Here are the Google suggestions. Is it illegal to collect rainwater in Iowa?

Is it illegal to kill bats in Iowa? Is it illegal to drive barefoot in Iowa? Is it illegal to dumpster dive in Iowa? No. Is it illegal to sleep in your car? Definitely not. Do you know what? I'm I'm very excited about the nonviolent form of of most of those in Iowa. It's not really like, hey, man. Is it illegal to murder somebody in Iowa? Yeah. It's just, hey, man. Can I go jump in a dumpster real quick? The guys the guys that are talking about how to commit crimes, they're not googling it first. They're like Yeah. That's true. I'm doing this thing. Is it okay to rob from banks in Iowa? Yeah. Yeah. These are these are totally,

these are totally, like, middle aged crimes. Is it illegal to have a pet fox? Yeah. This is a 20 40 year old person that's going, hey, man. I got a list of stuff that I really wanna do today. I gotta check to make sure these are legal in this state. Wait. Wait. These are great. Is it here's is it illegal to have starting with the letter b, is it illegal to have body armor? Is it illegal to have blue lights on your car? Is it illegal to have both earbuds in while driving? Is it illegal to have blue interior lights? Is it illegal to have bolt cutters in your car? What do you think a locksmith does? Okay. Here we go. What Special permit. We're gonna get to the brass knuckles of this thing. It's illegal to have brass knuckles

in Iowa. We'll start with Iowa. Man, a lot of people have been asking this. I got it. This guy says, I got wait, here's this question. I got a BA pair of Gold Knuckles for Christmas. A BA pair. But my I mean, he said the full thing. But my stepdad told me that they're illegal to have since they are deemed a concealed weapon. So does this mean I can't even own them?

He says, I'm not gonna go around breaking jaws with things, I just think they look BA. Please include some source of confirmation. I tried to Google the answer but to no prevail. Not this is is Ali g walking around with sweet yellow shades and gold chains and brass knuckles. Boy, this is a weird guy. I hope someone can help me before I land my bum in the slammer. Like, said b a full full words, but bum when I land my bum in the slammer. I mean, what guy goes around pending Google advice says, well, until I hear the right answer, I'm wearing his nose.

I'll pose you over. Hey, man. I didn't get my Google answer answered yet. Yahoo hasn't come back and ask ask Jeeves isn't even reliable anymore. So I aired on the side of I don't care. I aired on the side of knuckles. Hey, man. These are BA. What if I wear them on my feet? Then can I have them about? Brass toe knuckles? Here we go. Technically, here's the best answer. Technically, it is legal for you to own them as long as they are carried in the confines of your own home or on private property that you possess. Iowa does not do a very good job clarifying this as they do not expressly mention brass knuckles or anything like them in the wording of their laws. What what does this say? What stuff you own like your pants or my hand? So Sand is my hand. Here's the law. Chapter seven twenty four four subsection one says, except as otherwise provided in this section, a person who goes armed with a dangerous weapon concealed on or about the person or who within the limits of any city isn't

everything within the limits of a city? Goes armed with a pistol or revolver county. Or any loaded firearm of any kind, whether concealed or not, or who knowingly carries or transports in a vehicle, a pistol or revolver, commits an aggravated misdemeanor. Yeah. Okay. So the way that reads, like, they're pretty much concerned about concealed pistol and revolvers. But like, as long as I don't conceal that I got brass knuckles, I can have them. So you can have a brass knuckle necklace? Yeah. So I could wear a t shirt that says, got the brass knuckles on and have two arrows pointing out towards my loaded firearms. We'll call them a fist and then I'm cool. I'm legal. Yeah. Yeah. I would say that unless they unless the state offers a permit to wear blast knuckles, like it would offer you the ability to carry a firearm, then it's not it shouldn't fall under the statutes because it doesn't give you any way to carry one with a permit. I totally wanna go to a county building and just be like, hey. I'd like to apply for a permit to hold brass and uncles.

Like, excuse me? It's like, I think these look real BA. Like And to be in the on the right side of the law here now. Like to look like I don't care about the right side of the law, but I really do. Here's just a suggestion for people thinking about this now. If you don't know how to use brass knuckles, I wouldn't wear them because that's just you're just begging for people to come tip you over like a cow and take your brass knuckles. You know what I'm saying? Like, better know how to run them. Wait a minute. Hey, man. You just threw a punch. Wait a minute. There's an actual court here. A defendant challenges the factual basis supporting his guilty plea for carrying weapons. His sentence was vacated. Hold on. Hold on. Wait a minute. Did he have the brass knuckles? Here we go. Jason Eaton kept brass knuckles in his glove box for personal protection. Yes. What? For that conduct, the state charged Eaton with carrying weapons in violation of Iowa code seven twenty four one, which is what we just read. Eaton entered a written guilty plea admitting he concealed the brass knuckles of Alright. If you wanna know what happens with mister Eaton, you're gonna have to go check out that clip. You can go to lifefromthepath.org

and check out our discussion on brass knuckles. And I think it goes I think it goes on for, like, another ten minutes. But when something else gets introduced, it's like this weird buffalo knife or something they find in Montana that's been outlawed. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, anyway, so we got a comment this week on that on that discussion. And he said

he said, breast knuckles are not particularly effective. Oh, wow. That was up for debate, I guess. Yeah. I don't I didn't realize that that was what we were talking about. And then he says, they are, however, one, automatic three years in prison in New Jersey and New York City. Relevant?

And two, a felony to carry in many states. Three, considered aggravated assault in most states. I mean, we talked about the statute. Yeah. I feel like we we found the right source of the law. I feel like he didn't listen to the clip. No. Now, when I got my carry permit for a loaded weapon, that that say they said that includes, like, stuff like all kinds of knives and stuff. I'm I'm assuming that would include Oh, you can get a permit and so if you have the it's a concealed carry weapon, which not just gun. Right. Right. Could be brass knuckles. Anything.

So maybe maybe that changed since, yeah. Wouldn't anything be a weapon? You know, like, can I carry around, like, a like a chainsaw chain and put people with it? I mean, what counts as a weapon? What if I'm pretty dastardly with a lotion bottle? Like, I can throw it like a boomerang and put the cuts to you. I mean, what qualifies? Or a jump rope. Yeah. You don't know what I can be medieval with. People are always getting strangled with weird stuff in movies. Yeah. True. Shoelaces and such. Yeah. They used a guitar string. Blah blah blah. They don't even see pulling those guys over. Anyway, he says, and

activate lethal self defense indemnification in all states. I don't know what this guy's doing on the well, this this sounds appropriate for the Internet, I guess. Here's the best part. Let's say one of the bearded basement super friends here, I think that's referring to us. That's awesome. That's yeah. It's nice I wasn't there that day. Bearded basement super friends. That's the best.

Okay. So let's say one of the bearded basement super friends here starts getting sloppy drunk and pulls out some brass knuckles on someone. I'm going to f you up. He used the he used the full one. That person not has every right to pull out a three fifty seven magnum and put a bullet right in your head in self defense.

Wow. If he's making an extended point. I'm just not following. I mean, he really took just a regular tit for tat discussion and and and brought the bricks to it for some reason. He's got some anger. He's very upset that we've made light of brass knuckles. Who was that one guy remember that one guy I can't remember what we were talking about. Maybe it was maybe it was a dear life from the path advice or something. And it was, like, super light hearted. And that guy that guy, that atheist dude got real upset and was like, Christianity is destructive. It went on a real terrible and I tried to have a conversation with him and we went, like, two rounds and then he stopped responding to me. Yeah. He's got he's got enough places to be. Anyway, it's May maybe you wanna dig on brass knuckle conversations. Like I said, go to lifeinthepath.org. Just do a search for brass knuckles.

And What was it? Bearded basement super friend? We need t shirts. Yeah. That is awesome. Alright. Thanks, buddy. Hey. Hey. You should use the complaint line.

I'll say I'll I'll send him a note. That is the absolute best insult I've heard against the show yet. Excellent. Okay. Hey. Along those lines, here's an interesting story. There was a oh, shoot. Where did the article go? The Bible Museum. It says five of its Dead Sea Scrolls are fake.

Wait a minute. And now hit me. What what exactly are the Dead Sea Scrolls? So there there there are scrolls found in the area of Qumran that otherwise that are are very important, like, the mid forties fifties, like, the middle of last century. I believe they're, like, from Jeremiah. I mean, from he probably hid them and yeah. Yeah. And so, like, the the deal is is that they have

they affirm much of the much of what we know of the old testament. Like, that the translations were fairly accurate. That's right. That's right. Because, like, going back, you know, there's there's there's two primary texts in the old in the for the Old Testament. I I think it's the it validates the Masoretic text. But, like, the point is is that we might be able to look and say, here's here's what we think the wording is of x y and z books in the Old Testament, and we can go back to say the eighth century or something. If you go back to the Dead Sea Scrolls, they've got portions of of of, some of the prophets and portions of Leviticus,

And, like, the wording is the same. And so what that validates is a common concern that says, hey, people are changing stuff as they go to otherwise jack with the text to get people to believe certain things and, like, how do we know we have the real thing? Well, we we have continued to find evidence that affirms the New Testament is this is most well attested of of historical documents of that age and frankly any age. But even the Old Testament,

has high affirmation and go and when the the Dead Sea Scrolls, you know, put our knowledge of and our confirmation that the text has been the same century over century back another eight hundred years. So so we we found these Dead Sea Scrolls and they're somewhere. We keep them at the Bible Museum or we keep them somewhere else? Well, so there's fragments of it that are up that were, on the open market that people can buy and sell, and there are some that museums have and stuff like that. And so, like, the folks at the Museum of the Bible obviously believed that they had purchased legitimate copies of parts of the Dead Sea Scrolls so that they could put them on display Mhmm. Which is what other other museums are doing. But the story is that the Museum of the Bible in Washington DC says five of its most valuable artifacts once thought to be part of the historic Dead Sea Scrolls are fake and will not be displayed anymore. German based scholars tested the fragments and found that five show characteristics inconsistent with ancient origin and therefore will no longer be displayed at the museum.

CNN raised questions about the museum's Dead Sea Scroll fragments in an article published last November as the Green family prepared to unveil their new $500,000,000 museum. At 430,000 square feet and with views of the capital, the Bible Museum represents a significant investment for its evangelical founders.

Now scholars say the Dead Sea forgeries could be part of the most significant sham in Bible archaeology since the gospel of Jesus' wife, a fiasco that hoodwinked a Harvard scholar and made worldwide news in 2012. Some scholars estimate that as many as 70 forged fragments have hit the market since 2002. So yeah. So yeah. I mean, here's the thing though, is it depends if you're gonna run with that story and and do something, based upon whatever you previously believed. This is a setback for them because they paid big money for for stuff that they wanted to display to find out they were fake just like any museum and an artifact. That's a super bummer. But, like,

it doesn't it's not a so, like, the the saying They didn't have these things independently verified before they bought them? I don't know. I mean, what kind of sham do sells, I mean, super expensive fragments of the Dead Sea Scrolls to a legitimate company, and they're just like, sounds good, bro. You take a cashier's check. This year's certificate of authenticity

Yeah. From Abram. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't yeah. I don't know the process. What does it say? Those

were a pretty penny. It says in April, I'll have theorized forgers. Scholars have theorized that forgers write on top of ancient scraps of papyrus or leather, making the scrolls appear authentic until the ink is test is tested. Supposedly, gotta test the ink. Their report, the Bible museums Bible Museum said they recently received, further raises suspicions about the authenticity of all five fragments. Before the Dead Sea scrolls were discovered seventy years ago, the earliest and most complete version of the Hebrew Bible was from the ninth century. Okay. I was close.

But then Bedouin shepherd stumbled on the scrolls hidden away for nearly two thousand years in caves in Qumran with on the Western Shore of the Dead Sea. The discovery was so vast, with more than 900 manuscripts and an estimated 50,000 fragments, it took six decades for scholars to excavate and publish them all. Google has them available, by the way. You can Google the Dead Sea Scrolls, and you can look at them. They've they've, like, scanned them so that they can be I mean, you'd have to be able to read the Hebrew in them, but, they're available online. It says the Israeli Antiquities Authority keeps a tight hold on most of the Dead Sea Scrolls displaying them in the shrine of the book in Jerusalem. For decades, it was almost impossible for private collectors to get their hands on even scraps from the famous archaeological find. But in 2002, new fragments began mysteriously appearing on the market. The Greens bought their fragments between 2009 and 2014. At the time, they were deeply involved in the antiquities trade, amassing a collection of some 40,000

artifacts. So it's interesting. I I would say their reaction is totally appropriate. They're like, hey. These aren't authentic anymore. We're gonna pull them. I mean, do you want me to do, Mike? Put them back out on display. What do I care? You say, here's a replica. Yeah. That's true. Just call them something different, I guess. I mean, what sounds cheaper? Remove from display or print out word replica and put on glass?

They'd probably look something like this. Yeah. Yeah. We were fooled as a matter of fact. You know what? Take the takes the money you saved and get yourself a sculpture of a Bethune shepherd. Stick them right next to him. Stick them look totally legit. And maybe a sculpture of a guy manufacturing a a fragment. I guess what I'm saying is, like, if I went all this way to the to the bible whatever museum and then halfway through the trip, I find out that I that these aren't actual copies, I'm not like I don't think that I would get all upset and go, I can't believe it. I looked at a piece of paper and it wasn't really as old as I thought. Dang it. Right. This is I've it's a fabulous museum. Yeah. I've also heard that. Yeah. Yeah. People say it's great. I don't know. We should find someone that's gone. What? A bunch of suckers.

You don't wanna go to the Bible Museum? They got shammed. Those papers not as old as they thought. You know what's interesting? I I thought, like, I I thought the reaction was Well, this is in that museum. It's like a different like, is there a replica of Moses beard in her I mean It's Bibles. It's it's like copies of Bibles and, like, histories of Bibles and and that kind of thing. Yeah. I would click out the Gutenberg press. Yeah. I mean, I'd go in there and check it out. I mean, is it free?

No. Oh, wait a minute. It might be free. I don't know. Most stuff up there is, but it isn't, I believe. I think or it's a donation or something. Yeah. That sounds like because it's not a government sponsor. The government lets you walk through any building you want, but you wanna see pictures of god's word. Boy, it's gonna cost you money. Yeah. Well, this because his family paid for it. So I mean, you're gonna let people see it for free, ain't you? What happened to this world? Did they come on, Dan. You got old bible They gotta face staff. They got people, you know, authenticating all kinds of stuff here. And they should get volunteered big Christian bouncers to be in there hanging out.

Oh, wait a minute. This is a oh, that's to become a member. No. We just wanna visit, man. I don't wanna be a member. Yeah. I don't either. Hold on. Just wanna buy one of their dead scrolls. I can't talk. Tickets. Here we go. Oh, it's a suggested suggested admission. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. Yeah. It sounds like you you can walk in for free if you want to. Because the Museum of the Bible does not receive government funding, we are a 100% dependent upon the support of our guests, members, and donors. Your generosity has a direct impact. Suggested,

tickets are $20 a dude. Oh, does that say walk up visitors always welcome? They're open seven days a week? Hobby Lobby closes on Sunday. This hey. These guys own Hobby Lobby. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. They closed down their retail stores on Sunday, but they can go to this Bible Museum on Sunday. Well, even ten to four. Someone could've caught the early mass. I guess. Catch the 9AM. I actually don't have a problem with it. I act like I care. I'm actually not offended by this, but

okay. Anyway, I'm not so, like, the the one thing that jumped out when they say, it could be part of the most significant sham in biblical archaeology, I mean, like, I let's grant that they got they got kinda hoodwinked, I but, mean, doesn't do anything about the veracity of the scrolls themselves. Right? They're just they don't have the right replicas. But, like, it's not like the affirmation of the text that the Dead Sea Scrolls produced is in jeopardy. Right. So, you know, okay. Some guy got ripped off in the antiquities market. I I I heard a story on the on NPR two weeks ago about a guy who was buying, like, a 100 year old bottle of whiskey or bourbon or something.

And and it went for a million dollars. I thought, like, that's a sham. That's that's a sham right there. Did you see that that article about that painter guy where they sold, like, a super expensive painting of a kid with a red balloon and then assume somebody bought it, it went through a self shredder? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Awesome. Yeah. So that guy so it's it's Banksy. He's he started as, like, a street artist in London and then, like What do you mean, Dan don't know Banksy? That's no. That's why that's why I'm I'm sorry, Dan. Do you know Banksy? I have no clue. Yeah. I'm describing describing him. Him. Okay. Okay. He started as a, like, a as, like, a graffiti or a street artist in in London and started to become, like, really famous for it. And so, like, had he had traveled around the world and has done things. He's literally, like, private dude. He doesn't do, like, commercial art or or anything. He he wants he bought, like, an old abandoned

amusement park and created, an art piece out of it. Like, was really dreary and and, I don't know, macabre or whatever. It was anyways, interesting. So but anyway, I think he he's kinda mocking the the amount that, like, people are willing to pay for prints of his work or originals of his work. And so, like, he designed this he designed this

the painting and then the frame that went around it, and it had, like, a he built a shredder in it into the frame. And so it went up to, like, Sotheby's or somewhere and, like, somebody paid, like, an outrageous amount of money, 1,000,000 plus or whatever for this thing. And then as soon as they said sold, like, someone was in on it and, like, triggered the thing and all of a sudden, the the the painting drops down and then starts to shred. God. It's awesome. Oh, man. That was really good. That would have been really cool to be there. Oh.

You imagine the whole room is just aghast? What do you do? There are a bunch of bunch of society types pooping their pants. They're like, I don't know what happened here. This is crazy. There's there's, you can see it online. There's, like, clips of there's these guys who just had a cell phone out at the time and, like, you hear this beep beep beep, and all of a sudden, they go

Man, that would've been cool. Oh, man. I mean, you you can't there's nothing humbling and gets you to laugh at yourself faster than that. Some dude just forked out 1 point whatever million. I mean, here's the thing. If you collect the scraps, I bet you can turn around and sell it for 5,000,000 because it was part of the whole the whole, you know, prank or whatever. Yeah. So the the person kept it for that reason. Yeah. It's like they didn't say it's not destroyed. It's better. Yeah. Now it's got a story. Yeah. Now it's artsy. Although we took I mean, to be honest, we took a man who graffitis for a living and then started calling it street art. You're a criminal. You're a common criminal, sir. Yeah. Right on. Alright. Anyway,

I I was gonna talk about Christian witches, but it can wait. Okay. Mike, what do you got? Okay. Hold on. Dear, die from the path. My wife and I have been married for thirteen years. It hasn't always been easy. She recently decided on her own that we needed a fresh start because of some financial problems we were having. So she applied for a job in a state six hours away from any of our family. You really think this is for financial reasons? You might be a dummy. I love this already. She accepted the job before telling me anything about it. Now she says our daughter and I should pack up and go with her. Several issues complicate matters. Our daughter is 11 and just started middle school. I don't wanna pull her out before school is out. Second, I have several health issues, and my doctors are within two hours of home. All my doctors coordinate with each other. If we move, I'll be too far away from them. I don't wanna start over with new ones. I love my wife and I want to be with her, but I'm worried about the future if I move move not only away from my doctors, but also my family. Please help.

Yeah. Found a job six hours away. You should come. Yeah. You and our child should come. What do think? I mean, they hadn't accepted it. Who the heck? Okay. One, the man's leaving out some large portions of these stories.

You know, like, I if if there's so much detail missing that you can't understand how this problem has not already been addressed in any way, then he's leaving out large portions of it. Yeah. So I let let's take some things in consideration. One, this man doesn't work. He's obviously has physical ailments that are not allowing him to work. Two, his wife is the breadwinner of family, has to bring in some money. Financial difficulties could be a wide range of things, like either the man has a gambling problem or the job she has is not paying well enough or something. Right? Now, left to your own devices. If you said, look, family, we're going under here. I did find a job six hours away. We're gonna have to move. That's where the work is. I'm the only person that works here. This is what we have to do to survive.

And then makes that decision. I would find all of that, at least some backstory to say whether she has decided to do all this without even bringing it up to him. Unless unless once again, if he has a gambling problem or something, he's the one flushing all the money down the toilet, I would've told her nothing either. Like, hey. We're moving, and here we go. Obviously, you can't stay here. What are you guys' talk? Yeah. I don't I I would agree that I I don't think there's enough information here to give advice.

Because, like, the woman sounds outrageous. Yeah. Right. But, I mean, there it just feels like there has to be more to this story. It seems I mean, it's taken at face value. In a marriage, yes, you should not decide to move six hours away without talking it over.

I would you shouldn't really even be applying for a job. You could say, hey, I heard about this job. I was thinking about applying. What are your thoughts? She probably didn't wanna tell him because he's gonna put up all this whiny whiny stuff. I mean, here's the thing. Let's say he's got legit legit medical problems. Right? Most people I know that have legit medical problems don't move any more than half an hour away from a from a hospital. Mhmm. Mostly for insurance reasons. Like, their insurance company just will not tolerate it. Like, if you want us to pay for it, you need to be within x amount of a hospital. So this man who has medical problems, probably legit, but his doctors are all within two hours of each other. Unless you live in rural Alaska, that's not feasible. Right? You could live next to any capital and be within half an hour of every doctor. And so that seems weird to me that your health problems are significant enough, but you don't have to live close enough to a Yeah. So is the point is,

it wouldn't it still be true that he has to get, like, all new doctors and all new coordination and whatever? Yeah. Which, I mean, would happen if you if you had to move anyway, that would just be the impact of moving. It seems like the crux of, hey, we didn't I didn't know this was coming. It really feels like he's leaving out that they're getting foreclosed upon. And whatever jobs she had no longer exists. Yeah. How far had they sunk?

I mean, it's it's it's just going by what was written. I would say she's already left the relationship. She's hoping he's not coming with her. Oh. I mean, but the kid He wants to be free. And the kid too though. Yeah? You're gonna leave the 11 year old with the with the dude that's got the health problems? Yeah. Once again, he's he's cited the kid with him as if it's her against them. I don't trust fight that out in the courts and she'll get the kid too. I here's the thing. I could be wrong but this man seems shady to me. That's the way the way he tells the story is so obviously one-sided that you can smell it coming around the block. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Specular says, the decision your wife made should have been made jointly, not by her alone. Your reasons for wanting to remain where you are are valid, and I think you would be wise to discuss what's going on with an attorney before this goes any further.

I mean, it really depends on what you do. Go more to a counselor. I suppose the thing is is if you're trying to be everybody's friend, especially the person that wrote into you, you have to say things like that. But I the truth of the matter is, friend, you told a half of a story. Something's very, very missing in the thing that you're And I it's really hard to discern

what's actually going on at your place when you tell stories, like when your buddy calls you know what I'm Tells some kind of story about how he got screwed at work or his wife's treating him poorly and you're like, look, Greg, I know this can't be the whole story. Yeah. You have a tendency to blah blah blah and blah blah blah and blah blah blah. Did you do any of those things? Well, you know and then Greg is caught dead to rights. Yeah. Yeah. Let's see. We can probably do one or two more.

Yeah. One more. One more. Dear life from the path, I have had it up to here with my crabby next door neighbor. She grows vegetables in her garden, squash and pumpkins at this time of year. Our properties are separated by a wire fence. Few days before Halloween last year, a friend brought her two grandsons who were four and six for a visit. They were excited to find a pumpkin in my yard that weighed about 10 pounds and managed to get into my house because they wanted to make a jack o'-lantern.

No sooner did I reach for the phone to tell my neighbor what they had done, then she came banging up my door accusing the boys of the theft. To make peace, I handed the pumpkin to her with my apologies. This morning, I noticed two pumpkins have tendrils that have crept through the fence and are now growing on my property. For the one person has told me, they're on your property so they belong to you. Another has said that if my tree grows over her property, she has the right to trim the branches. Ergo, I get to keep the pumpkins.

I think a fair solution is to keep one pumpkin and give her the other. But crabby Kathy might have other ideas. Before this gets ugly again, what do you say? I said you should go talk to Krabby Kathy. Yeah. Listen. When you graduate third grade, go over there and try to have a frank discussion with her.

Because here's the truth, friend, they're not your punkins. They're not you don't have a magic fence that whirs over into her area. Now you're like, if you wanna be mad about something, like, throw the punkins back on her lot or something. But like, just be you don't get to keep one just because it's come over to your place. That's not the way that works. It'd be like her dog got out and came into your backyard, and you're like, my dog now. It doesn't work that way. Yeah. I mean, like, I mean, when you saw it, you could've just said, hey, Kathy. Drag the the tendrils back to your own yard.

Like, we have, what do we what do we growing? We do watermelon. And, like, it it'll do that. Like, it starts to kinda creep somewhere. And so, like, you gotta rein it in or cut it off, make sure it doesn't go to the neighbor's yard. And so, like, you could've just it takes a while. Like, like, you don't come out and then all of sudden, the cucumbers out your out your plate or a watermelon showed up Yeah. A week later. Right. So, I mean, like, you could've had this conversation at any time prior to it being big enough to make a jack o'-lantern. So but, like, you could say, hey. It's over into my lot. I'll leave it if you if you don't wanna leave it or for whatever reason you can't have it over there, if you're willing to split the pumpkins with me. If not,

just pull it back over to your place. I mean, there's a reason there there's, like, a lot of easy discussions to have here. Or throw it over there. Just pick it up and put it back. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. I mean, I don't know what kind of caveat you're trying to live by where where you ask your buddy and he's like, oh, yeah. Sounds like it's probably yours because of the tree branch thing. Your your friends are dumb and you're dumb. It's not your pumpkin. It's just not your pumpkin. Yeah. And you're too old to be doing this. Wait. How old was she? I it doesn't say either one. I mean, I'm assuming if you're a homeowner and you live next to Kathy and you have grandsons that are four and six, I'm guessing you at 60. Okay. Maybe 50 something or whatever. But you're you're a grown woman or man. Just either buy your own pumpkin. Put her pumpkins on their side. They're $5. Stop trying to get a free pumpkin out of the deal. Is this the only thing that motivates you at your your age anymore? Is the the thought of maybe a free $6 pumpkin from the neighbor? That's true. They're cheap. We found some a group of people selling pumpkins, they were $3. Didn't matter what type I mean, I bought a giant, giant pumpkin for $3. You know, they said that's a huge problem at that

that festival they have at amusement park. They have a, like, Halloween Oktoberfest or whatever. Yeah. And they buy, like, three or 4,000 pumpkins and people get all sauced up and just take them. They just walk right out. Says like they're they're more than half of them are gone. People just pick them up and figure, well, it's here. Now it's mine and steal them. Like, have to buy enough for attrition because these dudes are just they pick them up. Said last last time they had this guy this is a good story. This dude come walking out drunk to the hill, has like this 30 pound pumpkin on him, hauling it out to the thing. And so one of the upper management of this amusement park goes, hey, hang on. And he pulls up next to the guy in a golf cart and says, hey, man. You taking that out to your car? And the guy's like, yep. He says, well, why don't you just put it in the back? He goes, great, man. That'd be awesome. And then he put it in the back and then the guy drove away. Because the guy was drunk and being an idiot. But, you know, I mean, straight up stealing this gigantic pumpkin, which is probably $30 Yeah. You know, to buy this big old honking pumpkin, and this dude's just gonna he's gonna take it home because he attended the event and figured, hey. This is mine now. People are pretty low rent.

Alright. Segular says, your your, quote, crabby neighbor was correct. Your friend's grandsons did help themselves to her pumpkin and it was wrong. You and your friend should both have apologized to the woman when you realized they had purloined the pumpkin, returned it, and taken the kids to the store to buy one they could cut up. You pull the trick you're planning, it won't necessarily be a treat. You may escalate an already unpleasant situation beyond pumpkin season, and I don't recommend it. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I mean, the grandsons did this innocently. Yeah. Yeah. They don't know. You've taken To the yard. A child with mistake and then decided you were gonna live by it and start stealing pumpkins from your neighbor like an idiot. Hey. Roll the car over here. Yeah. Exactly. Alright. You've been listening to Live From The Path. Thanks for hanging out with us. Maybe you disagree with our advice. You have a wiser way of living.

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