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we missed last week, and I was so disappointed because I I wasn't feeling very well. And I thought, like, I haven't legitimately had stories ready for the show for such a long time. Yeah. And so I'm dragging some up front. So first of all, there's a kerfuffle with the with Jesus people about Lauren. You get do guys know Lauren Daigle? A kerfuffle. Yeah. Mike, what's the what's the song she sings? I don't know. How can it be what's that? You bet you're in my love. I don't actually know the words. Moved on mountains. Yeah. Anyway seem like you know her. Hold on. No clue. I'll do some research. Anyway, fairly popular. Put the research team on it.

So so, anyway, she went she was invited to sing on The Ellen Show. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I did love this. And, I mean, there was a there was a squall. There was a squall about this on whether you should take the talents that the Lord has given you and use them in front of

people who don't love Jesus. I thought I thought they solved that, like, in the eighties, maybe the seventies. Because they had that conversation and with bands that were like, well, we're not Christian. We're just Christians. Dang. No. You can't do that. You have to have praise albums. Yeah. Wasn't that when Michael w Smith was on Johnny Carson? People were all feisty.

You just made that up. Yeah. It's really busty. I was gonna say, what? I'm not very prevalent in the community, but, anyway, I might have heard about that by now. Anyway, so I think Dan's I think Dan's right. And it's it didn't occur to me until you just said that that the people who still have a problem with this might be from 1972. So they could still be alive. The same people who are upset could still alive. That's right. They're still kicking. They've gotten a hold of Facebook. They're the age of Ellen. This is why the lord does things to generations. He goes, you know what? I just can't do with you guys.

You guys are what? You're walking us. Wrapping this generation up. Yeah. I gotta wait till you pass. A hundred and fifty years, that's a long time. Nine hundred, never again. Anyway, it goes 60. Six things. Hate seven things. Certainly aren't Methuselah anymore. Yeah. It's probably a very good thing. You guys wear me out. So we're gonna we're gonna talk touch on that a little bit.

Then Dan had, we're about Josh Josh Harris reaction to he put out a book called I Kissed Dating Goodbye and then now he's

I think it's fair to say he's reversing he's reversing He's kiss hello. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sweet sloppy kiss. It's coming back in. And so I've read another book apologizing. Yeah. And it's here's the deal. It's it's kind of a bold thing to come out and say, look, this is how you are to date not date, but like a courtship or what. To not date. Yeah. Here's how to here's how to not date. And then,

you know, after some time, be able to come back and say, look, I I got it wrong. And, like, I it was I think it's very cool. It's a very cool thing to be able to come back and so, like, I thought it'd be interesting to take a look at kind of what he had written and then kind of set the framework of of what has changed about that. He made me pretty unpopular with some people. Did you did you do that, You should date. They're like, no. This guy says you shouldn't. I'm like, I think that's stupid. Oh, you've never been on the bandwagon? He wrote a book. Okay. Wait, Dan. You've written a book. You should have gotten your book out. That's right. Look at this.

Dan, let's let's clear this up right now. There should never be a situation in which you try and win an argument by bringing your own book in No. No. No. No. Okay. Just saying. Especially considering what I wrote. You're wonderful. Anyway, so we're we're gonna touch on that. And then there was a there was a there was a Barna research about how was Christian faith lived out on the job. Now hold on, Ben. You promised you wouldn't bring any more Barna survey stories in here. No. I said that was I had every intention not to do that. But as just like Somehow. Just like Josh Harris, I repent of those ways, and I'm gonna speak about it differently today.

Okay. Gonna back around. Okay. Remind me to tell you about a story I heard in Colorado a few weeks ago from oh, a guy who's always doing the anyway, didn't matter. A guy you recognize the name, but I can't think of it as former. Jimmy Swaggart. No. Analytical guy. Ed Sets is it Ed Setser? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's Setser. About

statistics and M and M. And Nerds. How wrong they can be. We everyone would know them. He didn't say only Nerdlingers. Even the thrift store priest is disappointed. Yeah. You know, Ed. Big big Eddie. Okay. Anyway, that's, that's what's going on. Hey. And and just just to note, so if let's say you've been hesitating to to use the complaint line because you thought I don't wanna be the lone guy. Yeah. We did get a sweet, we did get a submission on the complaint line, and it contained both, some encouragement

and a a necessary, point out that we often waste the first three and a half minutes of the show. I think frankly Unlike today. I think that's being generous. I agree. I mean, I feel like the first seven or eight is worth chopping. Yeah. Yeah. Times. But but god bless him. I I was actually, both in in in I was rightly encouraged by that, and, frankly, we're trying to clean up our ways. So thank you kindly for the submission to the complaint line. And, you know Duly noted. If you have other things that you wanna complain about or provide incur well, I don't know. It's encouragement. Think that's an anomaly. But if you have a legit complaint, go ahead and hit us up at the complaint line. That's (515) 517-0085. That's call or text, and, we'd love to hear from you. Hey. So it's it's it's a hot button issue, but I'm gonna touch on it because it came up at my dinner table tonight, and I was talking about it with with the ladies.

So the the caravan the caravan of people heading towards the country. Which one? It's Oh. There's, four. Yeah. Is there well, there's multiple? Oh, yeah. I I only catch partial wind because I don't really listen to the news much. Gotcha. I shouldn't use the phrase partial wind. That means something How windy. Means something different at my house. Anyways,

so we we we got talking about it with with my two kids. They're they're nine and 11. And it was it was a real interesting conversation because they didn't understand why it was even an issue and what happens when someone gets to the border of our country and whether we should just let people in or whatever. Right? And it got me to thinking more and more about about our Christian voucher system. You know what I'm saying? Where I feel like we should we should vouch for people and take if if this is your thing where you say, hey, listen, we should let people in and and and and there's a there's a lot of broad swath where I I agree with you actually, that we should we should let people in, but we should also take responsibility for them. And so I was talking to the girls about it and and and they actually came up with a with my with my regular solution, which is, well, can't they just come live with us? And then we'll take care of them until they get up on their feet. I'm like, yeah. Yeah. That's that sounds like a person a perfectly reasonable solution to to satisfy our heart for people and our our love for those who are struggling or leaving something they don't wanna be in because it's not good for them. I get it. It it all makes perfect sense. But we we run into start to run into economics of scale kind of operation where we go where we're I don't know if we're prepared to deal with this on a on a mass level. But if you had people vouching for them and say, look, we'll take care of him. Why don't you come let him live at my place? I'll take care of him financially and we'll make sure they get set up with a whatever and they can live with us until they get up on their feet. And it seems like a solid win for me. And then everything else gets gets caught in this weird gray line, you know, where we're we're shoving a lot of responsibility off on other people when it probably is our responsibility to do. Now the question that that I had for you fellas was, do we even have the mechanism to do that? Can I vouch for somebody from another country and be like, hey, Javier can live with me?

Him and him and his family There's there's not a mechanism Yeah. To adopt a migrant. Yeah. See, we should be pushing has to go through the government, which is the problem. Yeah. But, I mean, that's the thing. They can still run them through the regular checks or whatever. You know, it's not like we're saying that, you know, like, you you they just get to bypass all terrorism checks or or background or whatever. I think that's completely legit. But I'm just saying, look. I'll I'll vouch for them. They can come live with me. I'll take responsibility for them. If they go off the range or start thieving a bunch of stuff, I'll know about it, and I'll report them. It's like having a parole officer. Yeah. Kind of. Until they get set up on their feet. I mean, I do the same thing with my kids. I don't just set them loose in the world. Right. I say, go on, do whatever the heck you want. I'm in charge of guiding them and getting them a place where they need to be because I understand how this how this this part of the world works. I feel like it's a perfectly good solution, and we should we should be pushing for that. Actually, it's interesting you mentioned that because, like, there was a really good now it's long, and I and I I I thought about talking about it this week, but because it's so long and I don't like to take him out of context because the context is super important. But remember Matthew Loftus who we talked about on the the health care? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So he wrote an article at Mira Orthodoxy called, who is my neighbor? And it was about, it was about talking talking about how we rightly think about, you know, kinda like that the migrant caravan.

But, like, in the two terms of which we are trying to grasp, like, what what what people tend to do on this particular issue, and frankly, with a lot of issues, is we land on we act like those two things, the the responsibilities of a government and our responsibilities to the kingdom of Jesus are not both in play here. And so, like, we we do the we do the issues a disservice when we act like those both things are not in play. And that's that's where the conversations start to become pretty unhealthy. And so, anyway, it's it's it's it's a long article. And if I could have figured out a better way to summarize it, maybe maybe we can talk about it next week. But if you go to Mural Orthodoxy and just do a search for Matthew Loftus or it's on the front page there, I I always like him. I find him, I find him thoughtful. I find that he is Reasoned. He is reasoned, and I and I find that he often, like, properly anticipate. He doesn't just, like, dodge things that someone might think, but, like, as long you don't bring it up in your article, you don't have to deal with it. I find that he does a pretty good job of at least saying, you know, hey. Is this a consideration of yours? Great. Here's here's how we can think about it. But like I said, it's a long article. I would encourage you to read it. I read it early this week, and I thought, I I don't agree on on all of it, but, like, I thought it was well done, and and I always enjoy his perspective. It's like reading a CS Lewis where you're like, yeah. I agree. And then he goes, well, if you think that, then you're wrong because then it'll be this. And you go, dang it. Man. And then CS Lewis will contradict himself again and go, but if you believe that, you'd have to believe this. It's like Dang. It's like dealing with Paul and Roman. Like, he's talking to you, like, boy, I should sin so that grace may abound. This is great. Oh, I love your thinking. Dang. I should read the whole thing. You know what? I'm just gonna not commentary till I read the read the rest. Actually, we were we were studying, James two this week, back the half of James two when he's talking about faith and works. And it's funny. Like, I I just I

I forget sometimes how often, especially the letters to the church, the epistles are are, like, they're bringing all kinds of, like, fake fake people in there. Like, fake people arguing against it. Like, oh, you say this. I'm like, no one actually said that, James. They're like, yes. But you're thinking it. James puts on a wig and a muzzle head. I got it on the complaint line. And Corn Rovius said this. Cornrovius.

Okay. So let's talk about this Lauren Daigle first. So, like, she went on she is she's a Christian artist. Mike, did you do any research? No. Oh, man. Here's the thing. Because I have a have about a one sentence rebuttal after you're done with this with this opening. Go ahead. Okay. As soon as you say. Fair enough. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, she she's she's fairly popular and has been growing in popularity. She shows up at my house on the Pandora stations all the time. She's up there hanging out. So, anyway, she got invited to come on The Ellen Show, and she was excited about it and said, hey, we're gonna go do this. And, like, there was a pretty significant backlash on her Facebook page. And I took, like, a a snippet of a few and, like, a few were like, you used to be my favorite artist. Now I can't listen to you at all. This is disgusting. Or,

like, Paul was very clear that this type of behavior is wrong. I think Ellen's behavior is a lesbian. And so, you know, like, I I'm I'm I'm going to unfollow your Facebook page and I will tell everyone to burn your albums. I'm like, boy, that's Man, got that got super harsh. There was a lot of supportive there are lot of supportive things too, but, like, a lot of the commentary was no longer talking about, hey, this is great that you have get the chance to be able to sing on that platform and kind of maybe influence with a positive message.

It was more around people talking either saying, no, you shouldn't do it or people talking about how hypocritical the the Christians who said you shouldn't do it are. Yeah. And so, I mean I guess my my my my question for us is is it, like, is there any merit at all to that type of consideration?

No. Or is it like light goes where light goes? Yeah. Yeah. Like, there's not much debate to be had on this. Like, I I think it's kinda ridiculous. So is their their ground is that they she should not have gone on the show because of because they'll be the fact that it's Ellen. Yes. Don't don't tell the good news to people we think are unworthy of it. Yeah. That's kind of what's going on. Right? Yeah. I see, I don't know how you get through even the first the gospel. The fourth first of four books at the beginning of the New Testament, and you don't see yourself in the pharisee seat when you act this way. How do you not see that you're doing the exact same thing? Next thing you know, they'll be talking to tax collectors. Yeah.

How dare they? Okay. So let let me let me stretch the example. Dan, you're invited to speak at a at a strip club. Uh-huh. You go? Are are there people stripping behind me? Not during this time. And and there are ways for you to get in and out with otherwise taking not taking stuff in. I'm just worried about myself. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Dan's in. I mean Yeah.

Can I wear sunglasses real dark so I can't see? Yeah. People will respect that. Absolutely. Can I wear plaid? This is a man of the the man of the lord. Please wear plaid. What was that? There's a there's a lyric from a REN Collective tune I've been listening to last couple days that said, what's true in the light is true in the dark. And what Lauren Daigle is singing about is true in the light and true in the dark. And I just can't imagine under

what scenario you'd say, hide it under a bush? Oh, no. Yes. I mean, we've been trying to indoctrinate people since they were four. Hide it under a bush. Oh, no. I'm gonna let it shine. You know? And you say, no. There's a bush coming. Jump in. It makes me sad that with all the comments on on this deal about about Lauren,

the amount of people that are getting it right, which is the if you're a Christ follower, this shouldn't be a problem. This should be something that's an exciting opportunity for her to get to go and share the gospel or the good news through her music to a huge audience. And the people that are getting it right saying that this is hypocritical are probably the people that wouldn't call themselves Christian.

But the people that are getting it wrong and saying that this is awful and I'm gonna burn all of your music and I'm gonna boycott everything you do and all of my friends are gonna burn and stuff like that are the people that that probably show up to church on Sunday or at least call themselves Christians. And it it just it makes me sad that that's the way that that rolled out is the people that are that are calling upon his name for their identity are the ones that are being completely, ridiculous

on this. And the people that would would say that, that they don't believe in God or anything like that are the ones who are getting it right saying, hey. You guys should be loving on this and you guys should be understanding that she's she's using this as as an opportunity to shine and not as as an opportunity to be, like, patronizing with sinners. Well, what's what if it was? You know I'm saying? I mean, what if it was? Here's the thing. It's like, it it's it's just a a common misconception of what sin is. Right? It's not a cold you're gonna catch. It's an epidemic that we all have. Right. Right? And so we're just talking about the difference between us and them is we found a savior that is willing to carry our weight if we're willing to give it to him. Right? And and everybody else are just people that don't know that. And they don't know that yet because we haven't told them or they don't want it. But in either case, it doesn't stop us from doing anything. I don't see one negative thing Yeah. Going on with that visit at all. I think that there is still some pretty good sized pockets of Christians in America that have not been alerted to the fact that we're not a Christian nation. You know you know, I mean and then it is shocking to them when like But here's letting Ellen on the television network? Jesus never acted this way ever. Well, I know. So I'm not sure who you're following. But there was a bubble of of of they want the bubble to be pure and perfect and

and and they're just really just the whole world upsets if if if it's defiled. Right. Right. They they look at it as evidence that things are continuing to get worse and this is a contribution to it as opposed to a recognition that things were always this way. Like, they were always worse. That's the nature of of a fallen world. We are the worst. I'm I'm just saying it's like, I I I it's it's a much

deeper, sadder problem than that. Right? It's not just other it's not just Christians who are misguided. It's Christians who don't understand the gospel at all. Right. You're not following Jesus with that attitude. We don't want Ellen or her audience to go to heaven Yeah. Because we're going. So once again You guys will ruin it. You're not following Christ. Now this this is this is a missionary group we need to send people to talk to. Right? Not people that were like, yeah, there's some extremes part of our of our culture. But, you know, the truth is they're not in our culture. They're not following Jesus. That's not a heart for people. That's not God's heart for humanity. None of it. That's a that's a really big problem. I have names and pictures from the Facebook. We'll go we'll go at them one by one. Contact them. Yeah. Hello, friend. Come in. Alright. So she she responded because of the because of the kerfuffle.

This was from a an article on Christian Post. It And says, Grammy nominated singer Lauren Daigle addressed critics who slammed her for appearing on NBC's The Ellen DeGeneres Show because Ellen DeGeneres is a lesbian arguing they completely missed the heart of God. The Christian artist appeared on the mainstream show October 24 and received criticism on social media over her involvement. Most of the critics argue Daigle was wrong to appear on the show because Ellen is a lesbian. He says, I think the second we start drawing lines around which people are able to be approached and which aren't, we've already completely missed the heart of God. I don't have all the answers in life, and I'm definitely not gonna act like I do. But the one thing that I know for sure is I can't choose who I'm supposed to be kind to and who I'm supposed to show love to and who I'm not because that's the mission. Right? She continued, be who Christ was to everyone. Daigo described her experience as easygoing as if there was joy on set and Ellen does a good job of taking care of her crew. Nice. Well done. Alright. Anyway,

that's we can put hopefully, that to bed for another thirty years, Dan. Generation. Well, it's you know, it's it's there's the ripple effect. We we have a a gay couple that are having conversations with someone from our church that wondering if it's okay to come here. Guess they've kicked out of their last church. Oh, right. Yeah. They're like, we we don't wanna cause any problems. We just wanna come to church. And so someone asked me about it. I said, well, of course they can. You know? But

that's not the case in many churches. Very Right. Yeah. Yeah. So it was I mean, who knows what'll happen? But I said, I'll have a conversation with them and let them know, you know, at least so they know that there's no shocks, no no false pretenses. Yeah. We're not not surprising you with anything. Yeah. Yeah. By the way, you know, here's what we'll say biblically, but you're certainly welcome to hang out and

find out who Jesus is. You know? I mean Yeah. Love to have you. Yeah. Interesting. Alright. Alright. Alright. Alright. Alright. Josh Harris so, Dan, what do you what do you what do you remember? What do you know about, Josh Harris's original book, I Kissed Dating Goodbye? I never read it. I just remember people saying that you shouldn't date, shouldn't kiss, there should be no physical contact until the wedding night. You just kinda court or whatever that means,

kinda hang out a little bit and then just kinda get married. That's that's my understanding. Yeah. I I that's that's what I know of it too. Yeah. It was the the basically, you're keeping you're keeping significant amount of distance Yeah. There. Probably everything is very public. Hey, I'll come and hang out in your living room Right. Yeah. With lots of friends Yep. And parents.

I'll say, hey. And our pastor. Yes. Don't about couple of deacons. Bible. I don't know about that. So so so here's the article. This is from Relevant Magazine. It says, Joshua Harris, the Christian pastor and author who wrote I Kissed Dating Goodbye as a teenager and launched a mini revolution of young Christians forsaking dating relationships, has been on a lengthy journey ever since, very very publicly wrestling with some of the unintended fallout of his more than twenty year old advice. Now Harris has released a statement apologizing for iKiss dating goodbye and announcing that he will be just discontinuing its publication,

stating, I no longer agree with its central idea that dating should be avoided. I now think dating can be a healthy part of a person developing relationally and learning the qualities that matter most in a partner. His quote was, in an effort to set a high standard, the book emphasized practices, not dating, not kissing before marriage, and concepts, giving your heart away, that are not in the bible. In trying to warn people of the potential pitfalls of dating, it instilled fear for some, fear of making mistakes or having their heart broken. The book also gave some of the impression that a certain methodology of relationship would deliver a happy ever after ending, a great marriage, a great sex life, even though this is not promised by scripture. It's thoughtful and heartfelt apology with real substance behind it that clearly comes from a place of deep personal introspection. Know I this apology this is his quote again. I know this apology doesn't change anything for you and it's coming too late, but I want you to hear that I regret any and any way that my ideas restricted you, hurt you, or gave you a less than biblical view of yourself, your sexuality, your relationship, and God, he says. Harris also talks a little about an upcoming documentary called I Survived I Kissed Dating Goodbye that will release next year, exploring both Harris's journey and some of the conversations he's had with people who've seen their romantic lives impacted by the book. He offers a free ebook about some of the things that changed his mind and recommends a few books on dating by authors like doctor Henry Cloud and Deb Faileida.

And then he's got a link to the full statement, on the relevantmagazine.com. And so I, to what I thought was super was super good, there's a humility here, right, that says, look, I did something that people found a ton of value in.

And, I mean, they they made him popular. He he wrote it as a young man. There were a lot of people who who talked about as if this had done something very well for for them, like, worked. And then to see him over time,

one, be humble enough to be wrong because that's tough, right? Especially if, like, you you wrote the book, like, he was the guy that was talking about it. Right? There wasn't, like, 10 other people who were talking about this. He was the guy. And so to be the guy that says, like, this is the thing and and you're the expert because it's your idea, and to be humble enough to to to hear what people are saying about where it's not working and I'll just kind of accuse them not doing it right. And to have it to allow yourself to be changed over time and then come kinda go to the place where not only is he publicly apologizing, but he's stopping publications and say, look, we're not even gonna print this thing anymore. I don't agree with it.

I I thought that was, like, regardless of whether, you know, some someone had a some people had positive reactions to it. Some people, it didn't it didn't go very well for. I think that that that is that is the right reaction. That is the right reaction to us trying, failing,

humbly submitting to the fact that we didn't get it right and continuing to move on and and faithfully and saying and moving from there. I I thought that was super cool. Yeah. I've never even heard of this book, Ben. Oh. What's the what's the main thing What is he saying? It was really hitting the youth groups and Sorry. No. You're fine. No. I was just saying that it was really really a big trend twenty years ago in in in churches and youth groups and and teaching it and pushing it and on the radio stations and the interviews and and it was a lot of pressure

talking about just the evils of dating. And I remember some some of the stuff they promised, like, he mentioned in there like, hey, if you don't date, you're gonna have better sex and marriage. I'm like, based how do you because those are kind of words especially guys kind of cling on to. You kind of, oh, oh, better sex? Okay. I I will not date then. Because I'm gonna have a whole lifetime of, like, you know, six times a day and it'll be great. And and and I don't know. Christians have a way of saying weird things like that.

And then I think that's his point. They get into it, they're like, well, that's not really true. I mean, we still had problems with this or that. Right. You know, we we still we still fight over what forks to use or or I mean, you know, it's Yeah. Like they still have to live life and whether they dated or not doesn't affect it. And there's some things you probably don't learn about the other person because you didn't spend enough time with them to go, oh, yeah. We're really not compatible. And they find out later. You know your boyfriend acting different sitting there watching the couch in your in your grandmama's house. Yeah. It is if you were sitting and watching the couch at your apartment and watching the TV at your apartment. You know what I'm saying? Like, you're right. You know, I mean,

it's it's such a tough I mean, obviously, dad, you know, you got daughters that, you know, there's a there's a line that you wanna draw and go, no. You know, don't put yourself in this position. And and and I think that's those are solid lines to draw, you know? Right. But at some point, you gotta ride in a car with a man to know whether he's a crazy man. Mhmm. You know I'm saying? Like, it it somehow, you gotta you gotta do a little test. Mean, I I can't count how many people got married and they're like and and, you know, even people that have known each other well, they're like, look. After after x number of years of marriage, people start settling into who they're gonna be and you go, woah. Woah. You know, I don't know if I care for this dude. He's not really easy to get along with. As an offshoot, that is what absolutely terrifies me.

Yeah. Like, blatant honesty as as a a dude that's dating a gal, and I don't I don't have any thoughts of marriage just yet, but that is horrifying. I do a video premarital thing where where the guy goes into it and he's just like, every seven years, you really change.

Yeah. I mean, so both of you are really changing and it's gotta be bigger than I like them because. Right. You know, oh, they make me laugh, they're happy, they have a beard. You know? I mean, because we change I like me because I have a beard. So I like you because you have a beard. Yeah. And and and that's the thing is that, man, I feel bad because I haven't read the book, so I don't even know what I'm arguing against. But, like, it's it's I it was premise. What was when they were you remember after the Israelites had gone through the golden calf deal and he was like, we're just gonna get rid these people. You know I'm saying? We're just gonna start over. Moses, we'll just we you can headline this deal, but, like, these guys are not listening. And and and when God went to to reveal his character

of of what he had done after he had pardoned him, and he said, I will have steadfast love for thousands. Right? And and and the love that he used there was a was a I never say it right. It's the it's the h and the k at once. You do that again. That's great. Hesed. Hesed. I can't say it right. Hesed. Anyway It's beautiful. But but, like, it was it was, you know, it was it's where we we kinda go through and talk about the different types of love found in the bible and and and the Hesed is a it's a covenant love. It's the one that doesn't move. Right? Like, you change, I I, you know, I I know you're gonna fail me on this thing, but my love is not gonna move because it's a covenant love because I said so. Right? And that's the type of love that we're talking about when we're talking about, you know, when when people are getting married, they are gonna change. It's flat out gonna be different. That woman that you married, you you know, even four or five years later, she's just not gonna be the same gal. And you're gonna go through crazy things. You're gonna buy a house and you're gonna both take on jobs and then maybe you'll quit a job and have a kid and, like, you'll be broke and you'll be really broke. Then And you'll be like, oh, man, I'm gonna have to move back in with my parents kinda broke. And you go, crap, this is terrible. But it's but Those things change you. But those yeah. They change you. They affect who you are. How you look at the world and all this stuff, but like but it's the covenant love that goes. It doesn't matter what any of this is. I'm gonna go through it with you. And then and then by having that type of love surrounding your marriage, you're gonna go, well, at least I know there's there's two things I can depend on. One is the love of Jesus and the other is this man right here who says, doesn't matter what goes down, he ain't going anywhere. And so, like, we we tend to we tend to to hook up on on on love as a feeling, right, and love as a thing and, like, it I mean, it is, to a certain extent, you can feel that way but, like, there's times when you flat out aren't gonna feel that way where you're not even gonna like that person that you married. I mean, you're disdain.

Like, you go in the other room. I wish there was had a bigger house so we could go on either sides of this house further away than we are right now. And that's it's just gonna happen. You put two people that love each other and feel passionate about each other, they're gonna disagree and they're gonna disagree passionately. And that's just gonna happen. And so, like, I I I don't know if you can get all that living done in the dating period. Right. Right. You know, but you can get to know them well enough to go, look, are are we looking at the same thing here? Are we shooting for the same goals here? You know, do we feel the general way we understand how the world works and and this is what we think kind of thing? Because I think if you can figure that out, then I you know, I don't know how you figure that out in a group of 10 people. Yeah. Right. Can can I commit to you that I will stay with you forever even when I hate you? Yes. You you know, and that's that there's there's a a dance there trying to figure that out because that that's what you're scared of is like, what if I don't like her anymore? You won't Yeah. For a while. Well, then they'll come back. Good luck. Yeah. Thanks, fellas. What I do is I get a giant refrigerator box, and I sit in it. Yeah. I was Outside by where the dog is. I walked into that thinking, man, I don't think I can ever get married. I walked on that thinking, I'm never getting married. Bad idea. Mean, here's the thing. People I wish they'd stop doing this. Right? Because I I mean, I've been to a couple, like,

marriage deals or whatever, especially Christian themed marriage stuff, and they get you all piped up and they give you all this stuff and they're like, does it work this way? And what you end up doing is feeling bad about your marriage. Yeah. Like that you suck at it or your wife's terrible or whatever. And the truth is, the same thing goes on at everybody's house. You know what I'm saying? There's times when you just cannot I mean, you've never been so steamed, passionate, angry about she accidentally picked up skim milk. She knows you do not drink skim milk. And here's a personal offense to you that you don't she don't know you well enough. How could you hate me so much that you would do that? I mean, just skim milk. I've known you for ten years. You buy skim milk. I'm a whole milk man and you know this about me. You don't even love me. And this is the kind of thing that just sends it to, like, a whole half a day where you're not talking to each other. Right? And it's just that kind of weird crap that happens. And then you'll get a day away from it and go, I cannot believe. I'm so upset about that milk. But it just happens. You put two people in close proximity

and it just happens. It just happens. And you just have to go, I made a promise to this lady and we're gonna we're gonna get this thing through and and that covenant love will equal a love that you just cannot find anywhere else. You know, what's interesting is that what when we were initially started talking about this, what I was thinking was the argument for dating not that courtship is the same argument that people would make for the next step on which is cohabitation and not dating. But what you were just talking about is the distinction. Yeah. Because when you go into it and you do the cohabitation and not the marriage,

you bail at the point when those types of things happen because you didn't make the cover. And then then you miss out on the, the maturation of the relationship on going through those things because you got pressed to a point where, like, you did not agree that we were in this thing forever. And so that's where the fallibility that comes in. Yes. You can look at it and say, oh, but we can get to know each other better and see whether we're actually gonna work this out. There's just a nature of committing to someone forever, that, like, you're just gonna have to take the plunge at some point and work through what that looks like.

Cohabitation does not solve that particular problem. What it does is it gives you an out when other people have to mature and work their way through it. This gives you the ability to say, this is too much. I want I can leave. And so, like, that's actually that answers, I think, the critique that says, look, why wouldn't I wanna know more and more? Why wouldn't I know what are they like when they brush their in the morning and they fart in the bathroom? Yeah. Right? Like, why wouldn't I wanna know, like, when they, you know, hey. I make them fancy Italian dinners when we date, but what if we're eating mac and cheese for the third night in a row? You know, what are they like then? Yeah. I I I hear you because that's similar to what we're saying as to why you date people. But, like, there's a point in which, you don't you have to recognize that some of that stuff just has to play out. That's the nature of the commitment. That's really what you the one thing that you wanna know about is the one thing you can't test without actually making the commitment. It's just not gonna happen. And, like, that that that cohabitation thing doesn't actually get you that. It's,

it's misleading. It implies that it's the same because your living situation may look the same. But, like, if you do not have that long term commitment, you act you're not testing it. And that that that's why. Because I I during that during that, like I said, the initial part of the conversation, thought, hey, man, we're making the argument for collabitation. That's why. That what Mike was talking about, that's that's why you do that. Yeah. There's certain things that you shouldn't see be able to see without a without a promise, right, without a covenant that we're gonna be in this thing together because they could be really rough things. You know what I'm saying? And so, like, yeah, he probably shouldn't be farting in the living room in front of everybody until he's you promised to be with him forever and that's when that comes out. That's when I did it. Yeah. Yeah. I waited till the day that we were married and then, womp, right there. Then I I I think I went pretty early. Oh. I thought, hey. This is the real me. Yeah. Let me or leave. We're gonna set the standard right now. This is Dan.

You need to know get to get this odor down because it's how it works. Sweet moss. I remember I think I'm get a Flannel Sanders. Early on. Did you say Flannel Sanders? Because that's funny. How are you gonna be in Flannel saying that? Oh, okay. But Flannel Sanders is now his nickname. Some some sometimes the Christian

books are I mean, I wanna be critical but but sometimes they just make promises that aren't there, you know, that as as an early on in our marriage, I remember thinking, gosh, I would like to be intimate more than my wife would like to be intimate. And so I I read a book, you know, Sex Begins in the Kitchen and it promised great great results. If you wash the dishes and mop the floor, your wife would go, man, this you're the greatest guy ever and Yeah. You're gonna run off to the bedroom and it's like, I I you know, months, a year later, I'm going, man, I really upped my game and and nothing. Yeah. It's the same not not nothing but it's it's the same. But boy, Howdy, this kitchen looks great. I slipped the I should've maybe I should've slipped that book under her bed so under her pillow so she could read it too. Why This I'm doing this, it's not because I'm manning up and being a good husband, it's because I want something. But but, you know, I they gave me expectations I shouldn't have had. Yeah. Right. Right. You know, like, oh, things are really gonna go now, you know, and and so that that yeah. Gotta work through that stuff as a as a couple in in your marriage. It's yeah. It it it really I mean, there are good reasons. This is this is why we have you surround yourself with a community of people who've been married and people you can talk to. Right? People that that won't won't shine it on for you. They don't have a 2499

involved in giving you advice. Right? So, like, if you don't like they can say harsh things to you. And if you if you don't wanna listen to it, you have to walk away. But they don't have to say nice things to get you to spend the $25. Right? And so they can tell you harsh, honest things. Like, if you're being a a toad, then they'll tell you. You You know? And if if there's some things you need to do to improve on, they'll tell you. And so, like, there really is. God set up a a fantastic plan, surround you with community of people that love you and will be honest with you. And marriage is you there's just you gotta find somebody to talk to and someone that's gonna reason through you and and and be able to take your wife's side in most arguments. I don't know one dude that I know that comes up to me and tries to complain about their wife where I don't blame the fella. It's I I just I just it's so much easier. Yeah. I I remember I was I was in a accountability group with with three other dudes and like I was I was mourning something, like I had been mistreated and I showed up, it was like breakfast at six in the morning or something and I said, boys, here's what's going on. And every single one of those guys go, you handling this wrong. Jerks. You were in the wrong. You need to repent of your ways and go apologize to your wife. I'm like, dang. Yeah. Don't people go out with the guys for, like, support? Nope. Let me tell you the story again. Maybe you didn't hear it correctly. I mean, I had I did not have a sympathetic eye in the crowd.

And to it, they were correct. Yeah. A new survey on vocation, which is a fancy word for work, suggests that in the workplace, Christians hold to high standards of professional integrity.

Wait. By their own self admission? Yes. Okay. From the website humility.com. In the survey, Christians at work, which was done in partnership I don't care. Varna found positive indicators that people who profess faith in Christ are living their conditions while at work. Early this year, researchers conducted qualitative online surveys of 1,459 self identified American Christians who are both employed and said their faith is important to their life. Such

Christians are rooted in a conviction that Christians should act ethically, 82%. Who's the other 18? This this is the problem. Very valid point. This is the problem with these series. The 18% either didn't understand the question or went, nah. There's nothing ethical about living with Christ.

These are the people boycotting the Ellen show. Let's see. Such Christians speak the truth, 74%. Again, I feel like we fall short of the mark. Withstand temptation,

59%. We're getting worse. And do excellent work in an effort to bring glory to god, 58%. So the the question is, I wonder what the the the balance of that is. What are the other 42? They're like, no. I should do excellent work to bring glory to Ted.

Or Well don't think I should do excellent work. Was the question posed as what you should do, or what do they feel they do do? Why did you just say do do? Well, there you go. People said do do. I I well, what I'm asking is the the this seems odd from the percentages. I can't imagine his self identified Christians are actually believing that I shouldn't. I think it's I think it's do you agree with this statement? Christian. Okay. Yeah.

Or either do you agree with it about and it could be, I guess, about yourself. That's what I yeah. That's what I was thinking it was. It was not that they're identifying whether or not it's right or not, but whether they actually do it. Actually, it looks like they're saying whether it's right or not because it, like Oh, okay. Additionally, it says the respondents indicated that, and this is in quotes, working Christians should make friends with non Christians. 66%. So that that seems like do you agree with it? Yeah. No. I know. You're right. Wait. That's a that's a tenet of of what now? Of following Jesus, making friends with non Christians? Yeah. So so I think expressing your faith in your workplace. If you yeah.

Yeah. Do you faith is important to you and you're a working person. Do you agree with this? Like, do you agree that working Christians should make friends with non Christians? And what was the percentage? 66. 60. Well, that's where that 34% is than who didn't like the Ellen show. Yeah. Yikes, man. Either that or Mike makes up that entire 34%.

I mean, if they're cool people, I guess I get all of How do I care? I mean, here's the thing. I want everyone to know Jesus. I don't want everyone to know Mike. You know what I'm saying? Like, there's there's some

people. We just we're not friends. You know? Just imagine you curmudgeonly walking up to people be like, do you know Jesus? No? Alright. You gotta you gotta know the guy. What's your name? That's not important. Let's talk about Jesus.

What what do you do here? Again, not important. Here's the thing. It's these are the things we just got done talking about this where Christians oversell it. Here's the thing. You ain't not gonna be friends with everybody. You can be kind to people and you can love everybody. But if you think that you're gonna be friends with every single person out there, you're fooling yourself. First of all, it's you just can't handle that much weight. Because to be actual friends with people, you gotta take on their burdens and hear what's going on at their place and love them well. And I don't I don't I can't imagine you're doing that for more than, say, 15 people maximum. I mean, people are hard to love. The 15 you got are hard to love. But you just put them in your head right now, your 15 best friends. And tell me right now you're not overwhelmed with the weight of their stuff. There's a lot of stuff going on with them people. And you're gonna act like you're gonna invest in, what, a 300 people to work at your place? Come on. That's not that can't happen. Mike's a real quality over quantity Ben. Agree.

No. Yeah. I agree with this. Yeah. Take that, boova. You and your phony hi. How you doing? Friend of the world. I'm not saying that this is here's the deal. Can I be honest and say that I have certainly thought that way before? As I grow up, no. It is not possible. I used to think I could be friends with everybody. Like, who's this? Who's this? Hey. How's it going? Yeah. Hey. Hey, boss. How's your day? Hey, boss. Boss, partner, say that a lot. Hey, man. Hey. Real real quick self identifier. My girlfriend called me out recently that I call everybody boss. Yep. And so you're absolutely right. I do do that, and I apologize. Hey, faceless person who I don't wanna use their name. Hey, boss. Buddy partner. I met a I met a guy in the last week that calls everybody hero. Hero? Yeah. He goes, what up, hero?

That's a that's a Yeah. It's super uplifting. I was gonna say. Yeah. That that makes I feel great. Please introduce me. Yeah. What's up, Hero? People are like, hey, buddy. You're like, I'm a face this crowd. He's like, hey, Hero. Yeah. That's right. That's me. This guy knows me. I do save the day. Carry Yeah. It's super cool. I thought it was lame the first keep chilling? And then I I love it. I gotta hang out with him more often. He's my new friend. I took one of the guys off the list, put him on. So it was was I the guy who got taken off the list? Don't worry, boss. You're still on the list.

Well played. Well played. Alright. I don't I just don't understand the premise of the survey anymore, I guess. It's a we we were on additionally, respondents indicated that working Christians should make friends with non Christians. Mike says it's not necessary. Withstand temptation, 59%. I mean, what are the other out? Hold on. Typically, you're gonna fail. I wonder if I can look at the summary. Maybe they're like, well, I can't.

Hey. Should I I hate them all? I don't Do you strongly agree that we should withstand temptation? No. I'm neutral. I'm I'm undecided. Yes, but I can't. Wait. What? Strongly disagree. Does not apply to me. Whatever. I don't understand the question. I mean, they're trying to say that, like, in a work context,

it's okay to, what, go out and and drink too much with the fellas or steal the pins or double double book your time card. I don't know what I'm saying. Like, the the temptation temptation. Okay. Here's the top three in the list of office sins in the life of Mike. Yeah. I don't know. You drink you drink with everybody, get too drunk. You steal the pens, or you double book your employees. You got a truck full of wrenches. I take the I take the mechanical pencils. Too many. Okay. So here's how it was set up.

The like, the question one was, what are Christian responsibilities in the workplace? And 82% said to act ethically. 74%

said always speak the truth. Now the difference between people who act ethically and the lower portion who says, it's okay to lie, is an interesting gap. If it's an ethical lie What in the heck? Ben, this is where you get caught in the web of these surveys right here. Demonstrate morality. Welcome to the community college intro to ethics class. I'm

lying to protect someone. Yeah. Exactly. Philosophics Now hold on. It's all okay. I just to stop small caveat here because I get in trouble for this a lot. When you say tell the truth all the time, like, when people say, hey, we're gonna do this blah blah blah blah blah. And the truth is, that's stupid. Can you say, yeah, that's

stupid. Is that is that a bad form of telling the truth? Right? Like like, biblically, you were crass with it. You said something that could have been delivered softer.

But the truth was, it was dumb what they're saying. They have a plan. It's not gonna work. No. That that's a matter of using a thesaurus. Like, just because you can't, like, you don't have to be ignorant. Yeah. That's a limp. I don't I don't think that's gonna work.

And they say, why not just say the same thing that you said as if you were a jerk about it and I was not? I I say, why you just gonna wait? Into, well, here's another thought or here's another suggestion. I also think that's not gonna work. Yeah. Combination of things you're saying are probably not gonna work. Because it because it's stupid. Love where you're going with this. But Yeah. You need a bigger bag to carry your mistakes? Truthfully,

you're an idiot. Let's move on. Okay. So here's so here's the question. Based upon that, what are Christian responsibilities in the work workplace? What percentage do you think said share the gospel? 31. Dan says less than a third. 85.

Mike says 85. 47%. 47. Boomer's a a middle grounder, neutral area. Dan is more optimistic than the actual answer. It is the lowest possible option on the list at

26%. What? 26%. Share the gospel. Now listen. And only a portion of them do it. Yes. That's right. These are only people who think it's it's a good idea. I'm telling you, we're in a worse after this Ellen debacle and after this survey, here's what I'm saying. You're it is not your responsibility to share the gospel. Right? You have good news and you think that it's a burden for you to share it to other people. You don't believe the news is that good. Tell me when they have leftover

pizza upstairs that you don't have some dude coming in and go, leftover pizza upstairs. Yeah. Good news. Better hit it up. Yep. Pizza. Then he runs to the next room. Hey, man. I got some leftover pizza upstairs. And here he is. He's spreading like a virus through the whole company. There's extra pizza up in the break room. You should go have some. But then you find a god that's willing to die for your sins and give you eternal life. I can't be bothered. I just can't feel like I can't tell people about this. I that is there's a total misconstruction of what the gospel is. Things that beat it out, things that beat out and share the gospel are help mold the culture of my workplace,

help bring grace and peace to others, assumingly absent of the gospel. I was gonna say, yeah. How exactly how exactly do you plan on doing that without the gospel? There's people who don't quite understand the gospel. Speak out against unfairness or injustice, serve others, do excellent work to glorify God,

withstand temptation, practice humility, make friends with non Christians, demonstrate morality, act always speak the truth and act ethically.

Well, that's rough. So a lot more people are are are thinking that it's a good thing to make friends with people at work than it is to share the gospel. Okay. So so let me so here's the here's the synopsis then it says. The trend is clear. Most employed Christians want to do good in their places of work, but not always in a way that stands out. I wanna do good. I just don't want people to notice. Here's the here's the thing. When when when Paul wrote out the fruits of the spirit, he didn't do it by percentages and say peace 85% of the time. Patience

72. You know what I'm saying? Like, we are just shooting for such a low bar here, Ben. Cowboy says, listen. A fourth of respondents said sharing the gospel is responsibility while on the job, highlighting general weariness of speaking explicitly about faith, a typical attitude given the current climate. What's the current climate?

A fallen world? Yeah. We've been in it for a while, Francis. You best get used to that. This is the one area not susceptible to climate change. Same problem. But those in the survey exhibit a higher willingness to share than others. Oh. Generally speaking, millennial Christians are the most likely group to say it is completely important for Christians to mold their workplace culture and serve others. Yet when asked to give values they should exhibit on the job, such as speaking the truth, demonstrating morality, acting in an ethical manner, or withstanding temptation, millennial respondents consistently rank lower than baby boomers and generation x.

Roughly half of all respondents said their church provides them with a vision for living out their faith at work. This could be a wake up call for church leaders to equip the the largest generation in the workforce with a deep vocational understanding. Absolutely. That's what that's what Jesus said before he took off. Yeah. That making disciples not as important. Conduct yourselves well at your workplace,

especially these moral tick marks that I've that I've laid out. Holy cats were so blind to things, Ben. Yeah. Yeah. That was a that's a rough that's a rough survey. Okay. I was trying to think of how those apply to me and my job.

I feel like it's all bundled. I don't I don't have any distinction where I'm like, hey. Speak the truth, but act morally in different percentages. Who was it? Was it Luther or who's the guy that said to follow Jesus and make good shoes or something? Who said that? The story was like a shoemaker says something or other about, you know warrants. How can I how can I follow Christ at work? And he says, love Jesus and make good shoes.

And that was it. And I was like, that's a great example. Hey. I just typed up follow Jesus and make good, and the first suggested response was money. Oh. I wanna do both. Yeah. No. I'm not finding 20 35 bible verses about shoes. Hold on. Yeah. What's the first one? Went through and made a list of that? Okay. Alright. Hold on. Mike We should take a quiz, Ben. Hey, we should do a quiz. Okay. Is there one on shoes? I'll I'll take a look and see if I can find one.

I don't I don't know if I still have the location of the bible quizzes. So wait. Guess what bible verse is about shoes? What comes to mind? Taking off your shoes is holy ground. I was say Moses. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. There's gotta be problems. The shoes didn't wear out in the desert.

Wandering years. When Jesus washes feet, does it say anything about taking off their shoes? The sandals. I wonder if that counts as these look above the shoes. Assume. Mean, it's a Yeah. You buy them at a shoe store.

Hey, man. Psalm one zero eight. Moab is my washbowl. Overeat them, I shall throw my shoe. I gotta read the Psalms more of it. That's fantastic. Oh. So I think they included sandals because you have how beautiful are your feet in sandals, oh, Prince's daughter. The curves of your hips are like jewels.

How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news? Yep. Yep. Yep. For every boot of the booted warrior on the battle tumult and cloak rolled in blood will be for burning fuel for the fire. Isaiah nine five. Like the sandals of Ready with the Ready with the with the The readiness. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We'll get it. Okay. What is the Alright. Anyway, I don't see the quote, Mike.

Anyway, sounds like the father Lawrence. Brother Lawrence. What did I so so me and the ladies were watching that you'd seen that movie, The Fantastic Beasts? Yeah. Yeah. It's it's like a I don't know, after or before prior to Harry Potter or whatever movie. Anyway, this that this wizard doofus says says,

hey, are you aren't aren't you anxious or whatever? And the guy goes, yeah. The only way what did he say? I try not to do that because then you get then you get burned twice. Right? Because you were anxious about the thing and then, you know, then it actually got you afterwards. Right? And I thought, holy cow. This dude told because I I told the ladies, I'm like, look, this dude and Jesus agree on how to hang handle anxiety. Yeah. Right? That's right on. God says the exact same thing. He goes, yeah. Don't worry about it. There's nothing that's gonna add to you. You just gotta leave it alone. So here's a quick sidebar. Okay. We can do a quiz. Okay. What do we wanna do a quiz on? Shoes. I don't know. I don't know if there's a quiz on shoes.

Quiz on clouds? That'd be a quiz on shoes. New one that we're gonna rock star at, man. Yeah. We need to look good. Okay. Here we go. We're gonna do a quiz on oh, this is this is apropos. Occupations.

Okay. Occupations. Here we go. I'm ready. Okay. Ready if you're playing at the home game. Let's see if you can beat live from the path. Question number one, who was a mighty hunter before the lord? Nimrod, Gideon,

Goliath, or David? A mighty hunter before the lord. Nimrod. I say Nimrod. I said I was thinking Nimrod. Alright. We're in for Nimrod. Okay. Number two, who was an instructor of every artificer in brass and iron?

Oh, Jesus, Tubalcane, Abraham, Jacob. It's Tubalcane. Tubalcane. Yeah. I like the Tubalcane. You pal. Tubalcane. Everybody's in? That's the whole team. What was Luke's profession? Doctor. Doctor. Physician, lawyer, tax collector, tent maker. Physician we're in. What was Paul's profession? Tent maker. Blacksmith, tent maker, physician, lawyer? Tent maker. What was the occupation of Joseph, the earthly father who adopted Jesus? Carpenter. Farmer, blacksmith, carpenter, fisherman.

Six, what was Nehemiah's occupation? Oh. Cup bearer, priest Cup bearer. Soldier, smith. Cup bearer? Wait. Wait. There's an occupation called the smith? The smithy. The blacksmith. Oh, is that shorthand for blacksmith? Yeah. I don't know why they didn't use the full term, though. Smithy. Oh. They just called him the smith. Okay. What was the occupation of Alexander who did much evil to Paul?

Tent maker, coppersmith, lawyer, mason. I think he's coppersmith. Why? They were coppersmiths that got ticked off of them because they were cutting down on the idols, but is that context? No.

I think I think he's either the coppersmith or a tentmaker. No. A fellow tentmaker? A feud? Yeah. No. Coppersmith. Yeah. We'll go coppersmith. K. Or lawyer or Mason? No. Lawyer was just Alright. We'll see what happens. So I met, was Alexandria the the the anti in the in the Coliseum or whatever, the guy that that was doing the counterargument?

No. Okay. No. Never mind then. What was the occupation of David under Saul? Cup bearer, armor bearer, musician, carpenter. He's an armor bearer, wasn't he? Yeah. He played the he played the thing in there. Yeah. That's why the salt chucked it the thing at him. The liar was driving him nuts. Yeah. Number nine, Philip was sent to speak to an Ethiopian eunuch who held what position in the court of Kandake,

queen of Ethiopia? Cup bearer, scribe, astrologer, treasurer. Treasurer. Treasurer. Yeah. He had the big he had the big money. Alright. We feeling alright, boys? Man. I feel like we nailed that one, man. Okay. Here we go. Like a wizard. Question one. Who was a mighty hunter before the lord? We said Nimrod. That is correct. Yes. Yes. Number two, who was an instructor of every artificer in brass and iron? We said Tubal dash Cain, and that was correct. Yeah. Number three, what was Luke's profession? We said physician. That is correct. Question four, what is Paul's profession? We said tentmaker. That is correct.

Question five, what was the occupation of Joseph, the earthly father who adopted Jesus? We said carpenter. That was correct. Number six, what was Nehemiah's occupation? We said cup bearer. That was correct. Question seven, what was the occupation of Alexander who did much evil to Paul? We said coppersmith.

That is correct. Yeah. Question eight, what was the occupation of David under Saul? We said musician. That is incorrect. What? The correct answer is armor bearer. Yeah. Bubba called that one. Hold on. First Samuel sixteen twenty one says, and David came to Saul and stood before him and he loved him greatly and be he became his armor bearer.

I mean Well, I mean, feel like musicians should be an acceptable answer. There's a lot more about him doing music Yeah. Than yeah. Now it's question nine. Philip was sent to speak to an Ethiopian eunuch who held what position in the court of Kandake, queen of Ethiopia? We said treasurer, and that was correct. We answered eight out of nine questions correctly for a score of 89%.

That quiz has been taken 58,000 times since April 2003, and the average score for the quiz is 69%. That's alright. We've done better than average, which is not our average. We generally do a hairless We usually don't what do we get, like, 28% on the clouds one? Yeah. Boy, that clouds one was a rough that was a rough guard. That was terrible. Man, so I forgot about these. What demons believe? Who asked god what? The hand of God?

These are awesome. Builders. Who was known as? Yeah. Put that back on the docket. We'll have to come back around. Okay. Alright. Now that we've we've answered the bible questions correctly, we got some advice, Mike. Yep. Dear, lie from the path. I am a 34 year old man who lives with my father, who is 76 years old.

I am currently without a job. But when I have one, I buy food and whatever else is needed for the house. I believe I'm doing my fair share. I love my father dearly, but I can't stand him as a person. He can be very rude and verbally abusive. He has told people we know very personal things about me. When we're visiting family, if I ask for something to eat or drink, he'll answer, no. You don't need anything. I can tell that the relatives are annoyed by him too. Dad played a major role in ruining a relationship with a woman I was dating. I don't invite any of my new friends over because I know he'll have something sarcastic to say. He also accused me of not doing any cleaning around the house, but he fails to notice that I have done it at night while he was asleep.

I rarely converse with him because we have nothing in common. He takes almost no interest in what I have to say even when I tell him about something I saw on TV. He says, well, you shouldn't be watching that. I keep my mouth shut because I need a place to live. But day by day, more and more, my rage is building, and I want to tell him off. Help, please. Wait. Go ahead, boova. Hit this man with some booba reality.

Get a job, move out, live on your own. There. Man up. 36 years old, friend. Yeah. There there's no comment about kids. There's none there's no reason

that you don't have a crappy apartment that you live in by yourself, but not with your father and you work hard, maybe two frigging jobs, maybe three jobs just to make sure you got food on your table, clothes on your back, and roof over your head. You just wanna be lazy and spend a bunch of money on your on yourself and not on stuff you the job, work it, do well. I mean, there's not a sense that he's, like, helping his dad. What? No. He just said he doesn't have a job. In a while, this little chore. He's not paying for anything. Yeah. So in in his opening again, but he says, when I have a job, I help pay for the food. And what he should say is, when I don't have a job, I don't eat at all because my dad is not taking care of me because I'm 36 years old. He has sucked the life out of his father. Yeah. That's the problem. Yeah. Move it Your dad don't wanna hear what you watch on TV? Out of my dad's

wanna spend time with you because he thought he was in an eighteen year deal Yeah. Where you live with him and somehow you have doubled the contract and now you still live with him. Yeah. He's trying to retire happily. He wants to hear how the forklift broke down at your job today and you had to come up with something Or the delivery truck was late, and so you had to stay late to fix it. I bet your dad would love the story of, hey, dad. I burnt myself on some fries that I cooked today. Yeah. Because I had a job. Anything. And I did it. He played a large role in ruling a relationship you had with a woman because she had to come over to his house Right. To date you.

You had to say, hey. Do you wanna come over to my dad's place? Yeah. He says he said he said, Can I have something to eat? No. You don't need that. Hey. I'm proud of your dad. Your dad sounds like a schmuck. He's trying to tell you the kind of guy that's trying to sell his 36 year old son. Move out. Yes. I mean, here's the thing. Prove him wrong. Show that you can handle your own food. There you go. Yeah. You're gonna feel like you're on a moral high horse when you're living on your own. You get to go, hey, dad. Guess what I did this week? Worked, went out with a lady, and then came back to my own place Yeah. And had my own food. And I had Guess who could tell me whether or not I could or could not eat or drink? Nobody. Because I'm a grown man, and I made the money to make that. Yeah. You're you're you're vinegar to the teeth.

Yeah. Straight up vinegar to the teeth and smoke it to the eyes. Yeah. So is the slugger to the one who sends him. Anyone wanna encourage this man for the situation he's in? Nope. Nope. Nope. Here we go. Segular says, so his question was, I really want to tell him off. Help, please. We did not answer that question. Yeah. You should you should hold off on that. You should tell yourself off in the mirror Yeah. Tomorrow morning when you wake up and go, hey, you lazy boob. Go

get a job. Segler says, do not tell him off. Although you may be living, quotes, rent free, you are paying plenty for the, quote, privilege of staying under his roof. It appears your father resents having you there as much as you just like being there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're catching up on that. How do we fix this situation? Do whatever you can do to find a job. When you do, save every penny. And for the sake of your self respect, move out as quickly as possible so you can start living a normal life. You may find you may need to find a roommate, but anything would be better than this. Yeah.

I agree. You're a bum. Oh, man. Dear, life from the path. My husband and I took our granddaughters,

16 and 13, on a two week cruise to Europe this past summer. Holy cats. Where are my grandparents? You know what I'm saying? I go to no two week cruise to Europe. We went to Brainsom. Anyway, my grandpa I got a lifesaver. I I got I found out this week that, like, my wife's

my father-in-law had made fried chicken, and he had set some aside that we could come pick up and take to our house. And somebody took the fried chicken from our plate and ate out of it even though there was other fried chicken available, and they ate out of that so that we would have less fried chicken when we can pick it up. And I thought, this is what we signed up for. This is grandparenting.

This is for my children, this fried chicken. That's pretty low rent. We were we were What? We were spited. Here it is. Anyway

Okay. Two bitter about it. I just thought I'd bring it up. Yeah. That makes sense. Two week trip to Europe with granddaughters, 16 and 13. To make a long story short, 16 year old coach Megan, invited to us that she's afraid of failing. Mhmm. She's a straight a student and a perfectionist when it comes to her classes. We want to make sure we use the correct words with her. These girls are precious to us and we're very close. Megan sent us an emotional thank you note for the trip, as did her sister. She seems to do all the right things. We just don't want her to put excessive pressure on herself. We're almost 80 and they keep us young. These girls rock our world. Did you tell us how to handle this? What? What? Well, you wanna She wants to know how the wrong bar. The bar is not perfection. The bar is doing their best. Do your best and be satisfied with that. Yeah. But that's what that guy that lives with his dad said. He did not say that.

Even not have a bar. That is probably best when he's comfortable. No. No. No. No. No. He's not challenging himself. He's just being comfy. I don't know. He's being a boob. I mean, with all I mean, a man that comes up with I don't wear I don't mean to come back to this, fella, but a man that comes up with these arguments that he's come up with, this might be his full capacity. Well, then fine. And he needs to be challenged to be better than his Yeah. He needs you know what? Here's the deal. Need coach. Go You know, I'm fine. I'm willing to rehash back into this. We need to go back to to a comment you said earlier, and it's about community. Here's the deal. That 36 year old man needs to find people possibly I would usually say older, but I think it might drive him more if he finds a 25 year old man that's doing better than him. But I think that man needs to find a group of fellas that could kick him in the butt and go, here's the deal. You're not living to your fullest extent potential. You're not living yourself in a way that you're actually doing yourself any justice. Your laziness and your inability to get up and do anything is actually holding yourself back rather than making yourself more comfortable. That dude needs to find a group of dudes, and that will help him immensely. We should just put a mannequin by his house and go, mannequin's doing a better job of life than That's the truth, man. Look. He dressed. He's he's at Old Navy every day.

He could could hire a woman to date his son and pretend to fall in love with him. That's a that's a prostitute, Dan. Oh. You can't buy a woman date of launch? Failure to launch. I was gonna say that's failure to launch, isn't it? That's a It was a great idea. I've not seen that movie. Oh. Have I seen that movie, man? I mean, I don't know. I don't keep track of what you watch. I don't watch no prostitute movies. It's not a prostitute, bro. Yeah. That's what I'd say. Why were you? Why you gotta jump so negative?

You're buying women to date dudes. That's isn't that what exactly what it is? Well, you're assuming that the date goes a lot further. Oh, hey. Again, this is a dish court problem. Dating. Technically, it's an escort. Okay. It's an escort. Okay. Anyway, back to this, that reward, the 16 year old gal is, too hard on herself. Yeah. You don't need the right so it's it's the right it's the right issue, it's the wrong concern. You're looking for the right words. If the words are not so much relevant as they are, that you care, that you're encouraging to them and you're reminding them that that, like Dan said, that to do your best. And then however you word that with your with your lovable soft 80 year old heart, think will be just fine.

Yeah. Be loving grandparents. Yeah. And assure them that you love them whatever grades they It's not a

earned relationship. But not too much, Dan, because then you have 36 year old dude. Yeah. At some point, kick him out. But you've got you've got a long time to go before you hit that. I was gonna say 13 and 16. I think it's alright to go, hey, baby. It's okay. You're doing great. We love you. At 22 years. And if you're looking for a a grandson, I would like to put my application in because I would love your kind encouragement and trips to Europe. And to Europe. They they spend everything they had, Buba. You're just in for the the I'm still cool with the encouragement. You're in for toilet duty. I'm alright with that. If I get if I get kind encouragement from these loving grandparents, I'm down. I think that's fair, Moova. I'll support your bid for grand grandson. I appreciate that.

Secular says, tell Megan that you love her and she rocks your world. Then assure her your feelings about her will never change regardless of whether she succeeds or fails at whatever she does. Nobody wants to fail, but most successful people will tell you they learned more from their failures than they did from their successes. Tell her that the worst than failure is being so afraid that she isn't willing to try. Then advise her to talk to her parents about her fears or a counselor at school if she needs more help. Yeah. You've reached my capacity to encourage you. Go find a professional. Right? Yeah. Let me hand you off to a stranger. High give it to the guidance counselor that's gonna give you a picture of Wayne Gretzky that says you miss a 100% of the shots you don't take. Do they get those for free? I'm sure they do. I I I I work HR at my current job, and I've thought about just plastering my office in those crappy

crappy frame pictures that had, like, somebody pole vaulting. It's sis. Hey. There there there's a lot of them at the Goodwill if you want it for cheap. I'm gonna go. I'll decorate my office. Can you imagine how upset you have to be to throw away your motivational motivational poster? Posters? That didn't work. I tried to open up my own successful building Yeah. Or business, and I kept looking at that pole vaulter. Oh, man. Screwed up hard time. I can't keep looking at that pole vaulter. You know what you never got like the cat says, hang in there, kitty. You know what you never find at the Goodwill is that picture of the unlimited stairs or whatever, where the Urschmeier. What's it called? Escher. MC Escher. Yeah. Where you go where it doesn't matter which way you go up the stairs, you end up back at the bottom of the stairs or the top of the stair. No one ever throws those away. Because people they don't know what to think about it. But I think they put it on the wall and they think other people will think that I'm a certain caliber of individual for having to stare at any Hey, man. That's actually a valid point. My brother went to the Goodwill one point in time and he got a a framed picture of like a wine bottle. Yeah. And he put it up in our house It was him and I that lived there as as both young men that did not belong in a place that had a wine bottle up on the wall. And I asked him what he was doing with it. He goes, hey, man. See, it makes us feel more cultured, doesn't it? I'm like, no. Makes me feel like an idiot. Yeah. Like, I don't understand wine nor do I understand why that's on our wall. Yeah. Yeah. It makes you a fraud. Yeah. Don't fake culture. Don't go don't go get your artwork from the goodwill and say, oh, man. This really speaks into my life. Or people that buy, like, the variety pack of olive oils and then put them on a put them in, like, a nook somewhere. You ain't using them olive oil. Why are they three different colors? Olives are one color.

It's super misleading. Wait a minute. Green and black olives. Was gonna say that's not true, Mike. What? It's not really good at all. I mean, what are they how do they change it to the yellow? Don't you just have to wait? I have no idea. I think you wait. It's like grapes to raisins. That's no variation in the all you thing. With with all the progress in GMO, can we can't get an olive tree I can grow here in The States? I wanna grow one in in the Iowa carton. Are you being a proponent for genetically modified organisms? Well, here's the thing. They're making a bunch of stupid crap. Like, you see that tree they had at the store this year where it grew, like, three different types of fruit? It's like one tree, and it puts out a tangerine, a pineapple, and, like, a banana or something. Sounds like an awful apricot. I'm like, what kind of wizardry is this thing? And some mad scientist is making it his house. Like the like the Chicano lady blew up with her fruit head basket, and then it put put out this magic tree that now puts out three different things of fruit at once. If the lord had intended three fruits to come out of that tree, he'd have done so. But so now we spend a lot of time making this amalgam of tree and no one could make an olive tree that I can grow in my backyard. Must be like an engrafted branch thing, not not like a totally engineered thing. No. It's gotta be a totally engineered thing Yeah. With bubbles and mucus and ninja turtles, Dan. There's no reason for this Bubbles and mucus and ninja turtles. I've never seen such a thing in my whole ooze, bro. You're gonna make a cultural reference, make it quickly, please. It's ooze.

Here's what I'm saying, Bubba. There's no reason for this weird multi fruit tree. There's just no reason for it. I agree with your statement. All I wanna do is grow olives so I can have my own olive oil in my backyard. I can't grow what else can I grow here? You are the most hipster, non hipster I've ever met in my entire life. Can you grow avocados here? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Can you? I don't know. No. I don't think you can grow avocados They're much better than I think. Aren't they warmer? They have to be warmer climber. I'm pretty sure. Yeah. Can you grow bananas here? Oh, figs. I wanted to grow figs. Yeah. Figs would be cool. Yeah. You can put a pretty big green. Is the square part is that the Newton? Why do they call them fig newtons? Is the square is yeah. Yeah. The Newton is a type of is a type of thing.

Figs in the middle. It's the type of cake. So I could get an apple Newton? Yeah. I mean, not made by the same company. Yeah. Because they make a deal specifically in figs. Can I walk to a bakery and be like, I'll take a lemon Newton, and they'll know what I'm saying? Yeah. I mean, they don't do that. I I'd probably go to a to a bakery that makes Newtons. I've never seen a Newton at a legit bakery. Neither have I. I didn't know about this Newton cake thing until about fifteen seconds ago when Vince said It's not a cookie. It's cake. Google bakery Newton. See what comes up. Bakery Newton. Yeah. Newton Newton bakery. Something that makes Newton. Newton bakery? There's probably gonna be a bakery in Newton, Iowa. Right. What is it? Yeah.

I hope the Newton bakery in Newton, Iowa makes sense. Hold on. Can I buy a Newton not from Nabisco? Is that the question? Yeah. Okay. Hold on. Oh, man. They've no. Amazon, Newton,

Newton, Newton. Is Newton a legit is is the Newton a legit food? That's the next question. Feel like people have been I I did not expect this question to have been asked before.

Okay. 15 places for homemade food in Newton. No. Urban dictionary, non legit food. It's not Do not go to urban dictionary for anything. Fair enough. Yeah. Nabisco here today. Made up the news. Terrible decision. You

I mean, it was on the research results, I read it. I'm like Oh, no. Mercy. Yeah. It was terrible. Whatever. Alright. You've been listening to Life in the Path. All I want is an olive tree, Ben, that I can have in Iowa. Hey. If you want some kind of perverse tree in your line and wanna tell us what it is, give us a call or text to (515) 517-0085. We'd like to know what you'd like to grow in your backyard that makes no freaking sense. It was a fruit cocktail tree now that I think about it. I I think that's what they call it. It's the fig rolls you're looking for. What do you mean? The fig Newton is a a a version of the fig roll.

Oh. Where'd Newton come from? Was the guy who created it named Newton? The the Nimbusco trademarked. Yeah. See, you can't buy a legit Newton at a bakery like you done said. Here's the deal. Also, if you wanna do the research and figure out where the Newton came from and you wanna give us a call about this, we'd love to hear it if you have the time to research it. Yeah. Here's the thing. You acted all worldly on me like I there's a whole world of Newtons that I didn't know anything about. Hold on. Hold on. Give us give us a call on the complaint slash Newton information line. Yeah. Hold on. Fig Newton fun facts. Fig Newton's were created in 1891 by the Kennedy Biscuit Works in Cambridgeport, Massachusetts. They had named many of their cookies for nearby towns and almost called it the fig shrewsbury

Oh, yes. Before Newton went out. I would love to eat fig shrewsbury. This seems really suspicious. Alternate story, the man who originated the Fig Newton, Charles Roser, put his cookie recipe to work in his factory in Kitten, Ohio and sold it to Nabisco in 1910. According to Nabisco, Fig Newtons were named after either sir Isaac Newton or the town of Newton, Massachusetts. But for what reason would they be named after after sir Isaac sir Isaac Newton? Yeah. That's a weird thing. It's like, oh, you know, because of all the scientific achievement, we're gonna name this cake after him. Have you ever noticed that when you drop a Fig Newton, it falls? Oh, man. That reminds me of Sir Isaac Newton. I got a joke. Ready, booba? I'm ready. Knock knock. Who's there? Sir Isaac Newton. Sir Isaac who? Newton who? Excuse me. You don't know who Sir Isaac Newton is? Dummy. You dummy. Shrewsbury. Yeah. That's it. That's the whole joke.

Man, I I think I'm gonna start calling them fig shrewsberries. Yeah. That's funner. Alright. Here's deal. It is funner. Hey. We've wasted the last three minute three minutes of the end of this show. Waste the first one. We burned I've been I've been running outro music for the last eight minutes. Sorry. Alright. So you've been with live from Pat. Thanks for hanging out with us. The show is terrible. Give us a complaint. (515) 517-0085. Call or text to work. We will see you next week. In the meantime, be faithful in the means. God will handle the ends. You've been listening to live from the Path.