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Live From The Path · Season 2019, Episode 28

Allie Crummy and Video Game Jesus

Recorded · 1:38:54 · 18,413 words transcribed

Episode post

Topics covered

Segments

  • Show open 0:03–1:03
    The hosts open the show from the Pathway Studios in Johnston proper, joking through a false-start intro that stumbles on the first line.
  • I Am Jesus Christ video game riff 1:03–11:15
    Ben reads an article about Playway's upcoming "I Am Jesus Christ" New Testament simulator game and the hosts riff on what the gameplay must be like: Sermon on the Mount beatitude quizzes, carpentry tutorial levels until age 30, dodging the disciples to pray alone, and a Revelation unlockable level. They also debate whether playing Jesus crosses a line that movies and costumes do not.
  • Complaint line and hijacked website 11:16–12:57
    Ben plugs the Bob Eisenlauer complaint line and asks listeners whether they'd play the game, then reveals the show's website had been redirecting visitors to an online pharmacy and that he repaired it.
  • Ali Crumme performs Out of My Head 12:57–17:02
    In-studio guest Ali Crumme performs "Out of My Head," her song based on Psalm 42, about anxious thoughts and placing hope in God.
  • Interview: Ali's songwriting journey 17:02–29:46
    Ali describes adapting an old song about toothbrushes and toast into a Psalm 42 piece for a Walnut Creek church Psalms series, piano lessons from age five, a music degree from Drake, teaching herself guitar on her son's toy guitar, and leading worship with her husband. She names the Punch Brothers as an influence, sparking the "high church bluegrass" joke.
  • Where to find Ali's music 29:46–32:55
    Ali's release plans: the single "I Have Peace" is out now, an EP records in early January with a second EP later in 2020; the hosts send listeners to her Instagram and YouTube and issue three action items.
  • The pope stole my pizza 32:57–35:48
    Ben tells a story from a Minneapolis hotel: his pizza was given to someone else because "the pope is in the area," and a rumor spreads that Mike is the pope, drawing a crowd to his lawn. The only way to disperse them is pope-style advice from the veranda.
  • Gratitude: remembering whose kingdom it is 35:49–50:05
    Mike delivers his pope-style advice, telling of a 95-year-old family member whose every word in the hospital was grateful, and confessing his own habit of disappointment. The hosts discuss chosen gratefulness over entitlement, an answered prayer memorialized with an Ebenezer rock, and building gratitude into prayer life by rehearsing who God is.
  • I Have Peace: eclampsia testimony and song 50:06–1:00:53
    Ali tells the story behind her single "I Have Peace": eclampsia during pregnancy, a two-minute grand mal seizure, emergency delivery of her son Lincoln at 30 weeks in January 2015, days in the NICU, postpartum preeclampsia, and a broken collarbone, and writing the song to preach truth to her own terror. She then performs it.
  • Spotify streaming economics 1:01:18–1:05:22
    The hosts and Ali compare streaming payouts, around eight ten-thousandths of a cent per stream, with 24,000 streams yielding about $61, and urge listeners to actually buy the song.
  • Dear LFTP: night-shift discrimination 1:05:25–1:18:42
    A listener letter asks whether being scheduled for four night shifts a week while younger coworkers get days is age discrimination. The secular answer calls HR departments bloated; the hosts advise talking to the employer first, distinguishing discrimination from a distinction, and formalizing requests.
  • Dear LFTP: holidays with the in-laws 1:18:42–1:29:54
    A listener letter asks for advice about daughters-in-law who spend every holiday with their own parents. The hosts push back on the letter's victim framing and advise graciousness, proposing alternation or off-date gatherings rather than fighting over the day itself; the secular answer suggests making separate plans.
  • Complaint line callback 1:29:54–1:31:23
    Ben riffs on a complaint-line text praising "the cool old guy with the beard" and revives the online-pharmacy joke.
  • Ali performs Our God Is Compassionate 1:31:24–1:38:13
    Ali introduces her closing song, written after seeing her own quick anger with her kids contrasted with a God who is slow to anger, and performs "Our God Is Compassionate" to end the show.

Bible references

  • Psalm 42

    The song is based on Psalm 42, as the deer longs for streams of water.

  • Genesis 1

    I think the language in Genesis one actually points, like, the root of it is actually an idol, like images.

  • 1 Samuel 7:12

    Putting up an Ebenezer.

  • Philippians 1:21

    to live is Christ and to die is gain

  • Revelation

    Hope revelation is an unlockable level.

Key questions

  • Would you play the I Am Jesus Christ video game, and what features must it have? (listener)
  • How do I become grateful when it doesn't come naturally? (host-framed)
  • Is it discrimination when I'm always scheduled for night shifts? (dear-lftp)
  • How should we handle daughters-in-law who never spend holidays with us? (dear-lftp)

People

  • Guest: Ali Crumme
    musician in the studio, with a single out and EPs on the way
  • Ali Crumme
  • Bob Eisenlauer
  • John Piper
  • Paul Washer
  • Chris Thiele
  • Jerry Springer
  • Oprah
  • Micah
  • Hannah
  • Bernie Sanders
  • The Pope

Full transcript

Live from the Pathway Studios in Johnston proper. You are live from the path. And you're listening to Live From The Path. We're coming from the Pathway Studios here in Johnston Proper. No. No. That's not what we agreed to. Yes. We're doing it. That's not what we agreed to. I've heard a path. It's not a good start, man. It's not a good start. No. No. Now the good thing is is you can't tell just because the show starts bad because it does most the of time. It could still go either way. I suppose that's very It can be but there can be a redemption. Here's what we got going on the show tonight. Ali Crumme is in the studio. She has a a beautiful voice of which Mike is is totally not representing well. I don't know what that was. It sounded like someone got ahold of an owl and put it in a microwave. No. Me and Ali are, like, competing doorbells at the Walmart. No. You're, like, 1 dollar's restaurants making her own dairy products. That's you. Oh, so anyway Buffalo.

Anyway, Ali's gonna rescue the show after we ruin it. So, also, I I saw this I saw this art did you guys see that article I saw earlier today? No. There was hold on. Let me I'm a pull Ridiculous. I'm gonna pull it up. We're gonna hit it up directly. Somebody created a video game and you it's you're basically Jesus. You get to be Jesus in the video game. Realistic fight with Satan. What? Now here's what I don't understand. Like, now I I'll be honest. I kinda wanna play it because I wanna see what they do because, like, really,

what what is this battle with Satan gonna look like? Hey, I'll give you the kings of the earth. Don't tempt me. Exactly. Ten ten holy spirit points. No. Like, what is I mean You leveled up salvation. Could you play a game where Jesus loses, though? I mean, it would it would feel weird. Yeah. There's there's some bad stuff. Somebody tweeted out that oh, sorry. I'll let you read the article. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, shoot. It's thinking about it now. Hold on. I will I will handle this with a musical interview. No. No. You do not need it. Before you start, let me tell you that that is not necessary. Yeah. It is not needed or wanted. I've already pulled the string to the motor, booba. It's just ready to cut the tree. It's just starting no matter what we do. Okay. Here we go. The It's say turn on now. The I Am Jesus Christ video game causes stir.

A yet to be launched New Testament inspired video game that lets gamers play as Jesus Christ is causing a stir. A trailer for I Am Jesus Christ is the name of the game, has been grabbing plenty of attention, posted to YouTube by Polish game developer Playway. The trailer indicates that I am Jesus Christ includes miracle working, crucifixion, and resurrection storylines. The trailer has been viewed more than 30 330,000 times since it was posted to YouTube on December 6. So do you try not to get crucified or something? I don't oh, man. That would seem like you're not Jesus Christ, but Yeah. Right. There was a there was a that I saw posted. Crucifixion level is completely unwinful.

Mhmm. I was like, oh, man. A minute. It can't be lost. True. Yeah. Right. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It was weird. It was just it was funny joke. No. I would like to kinda watch it. I'm upset. Well, if maybe they'll have one of those where you can watch someone playing the game on YouTube. That's what I'm saying. Without playing. I do kinda wanna see it. Like, I am curious. Watch a walkthrough? It's Gameplay thing? Have you you ever ever have done that? I I have not. Yes. I have. But the way you described it was the greatest thing I've heard in a while. Is it have one of those things where you can just watch people play the game? On the on the YouTube channel? Can can you pull up the tweeter? Yeah. No. People tweet out some Insta posts. Like, people do it, like, they try to do it as fast as they can. Right? So I'd like to see the guy watch a walk through or play through. Beat beat the life of Jesus in thirty minutes or less. Yeah. So Yes. Someone will be trying to set a world record for fastest, like, time beating I am Jesus be great. So I says I am Jesus Christ is a realistic simulator game inspired by stories from the New Testament of the Bible explains the description on the video game distribution site Steam. Check if you can perform all famous miracles from the Bible like Jesus Christ. It is a simulation game, and you can try to save the world as he did. Are you ready to fight with Satan in the desert, exercising demons and curing sick people, or calm the storm in the sea? Now let me ask you this question. What event do you hope is in there?

Oh. You're like, hey, man. If you're gonna do this I mean, you gotta do, you know, some some demon interaction. I think it'd be hysterical if you have to do a sermon on the mount, but you actually have to get the right, like, beatitudes correctly and In the right order? Yeah. In the right order, you have to do all of the individual scripture correctly Yeah. Or, like, it messes up your popularity points. Guy in the cave who's cutting himself with rocks and stuff, that would be That's my favorite video game like thinking. That would be awesome. I feel like you have to try to avoid the other disciples to go pray alone. And every time every time that you didn't find a good enough hiding spot, then you have to start working.

I like this. Gotta stay away. Because Peter keeps following you around and you're like, I'm off to pray by myself. Or remember that time You keep waking up Peter and John? Remember that time where they were where they were looking for him and he, like, his head you're right. Right. He had escaped to to go out, like, were they were trying to find him to go heal more people and instead he wanted to move on to the next town. Yeah. Yeah. Like, that'd be kind of fun, you had to keep dodging them. You're hiding behind rocks and cactuses and stuff. Now, does this include, like, the Catholic Bible too? Because there's there's interesting miracles in there you can Yeah. Wait. That's the extras at the end or something. Extras The apocryphal level. The basic level. What about when he snuck into when he snuck into the the festival? Right? Like, told everybody he wasn't gonna go and then he showed up anyway? And you know, so, like, he gotta sneak into the into the Passover festival. Do you think you start as a baby and you have to level up?

And, like, you have to go to the not much about those levels, though. Out with the old dude in the temple, start teaching. There there's, like, two insta warps where you warp to 12 years old and interact in the temple and then you warp to 30. You hear, well, sorry. That'd be hysterical if you have to run around doing carpentry until level 30, and then you start doing it. And then game starting. The game takes six months. You said they're doing Tutorial tables. Carpentry. Day in and day out on a time. And then somewhere in level 14 or whatever, Joseph just magically goes away. Where did go? Dead dad?

Yeah. Papa? And then you you get to choose in the settings whether the, whether your brother and sisters are actually your brother and sisters or whether they're your cousins because they're Catholic. So you got Alright. I I was kind of against this going into this, but now I'm totally all for this game. If there's a bonus level where you, like, you teleport in here and then there's, like, five ladies in a lineup, like, you gotta pick them out on who touched the hem of your garment. I felt the power leave me. Oh, your joystick rubbish. Maybe maybe my problem is I'm thinking this, as an as an action game and it's more like a Sims. Right? Yeah. Probably. I think it's a Jesus simulation. Yeah. I mean, the Except for you However, look at the if the on the article, there is a graphic of the fight with Satan. I don't know if it's a actual graphic from the game or something someone came up with, put it on their Twitter, but it looks like it's a legitimate action game in which you were legitimately fighting a realistic fight with Satan. Like like a like a Diablo looking thing. Yes. Yeah. It yeah. It's it's the Red Devil looking thing and it's big and horny good stuff. Yeah. Okay. So it says the let's see. Hope revelation is an unlockable level. The game's subject matter has caused plenty of buzz on social I got that. I like it.

Could weep over it. There will be weeping. Yes. Yes. Yes. You hear some trumpets in the background. It's like, no. It's my time. You'll be funny. Seals have been broken. It's my last time. It's time. You have to press o over and over again to break the seal. It would be great if you get to choose when you get to revelation, you can play a figurative or literal mode. Some guy gets stuck waiting in fire. You hear me? He can't do anything.

Oh, that's that's great. I feel like we should be calling Playway and letting them know that we have some notes on how this could be way better. It says let's see. Tweets, I am Jesus Christ has also received criticism Too Oh, really? Too far, Playway. Thumbs down, wrote one commenter on Playway's Facebook page in response to the trailer. John Piper. I'm not sure. It is certainly John Piper. Too far. Yeah. Him and Paul Washer have already published 10 articles on it. Christians play this game. Actually, that did make me think though, is it's, like, this is the time of year where plenty of people are are Jesus.

Right? Right. Yes. I mean, there's plenty of g people dressing up as Jesus all over the place, and they seem to feel like this is appropriate. We don't have a problem with that. Why is it further for playing the video game? Some people have a problem. Oh. Oh, my. What do you what do you do? How about all how about all movies where Jesus is depicted? Same thing? Well, I the the arguments, I don't think make a lot of sense. You know, like it's like a graven image argument Yeah. Sort of thing but it's like he appeared in the flesh. Yeah. It's different than making an an image of God the father. I would I would agree. As a matter of fact, I think the, the language in Genesis one actually points, like, the the root of it is actually an idol, like images Mhmm. As people as idols. So, like, as a human, we're implicitly that. Sure. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Right on. It's image. That's right. Yeah.

Oh, let's see. No details of the game's release date have been posted, although the description on Steam says that it's coming soon. That is that sounds like it's coming soon. Wait. Is this a joke? Yeah. Is that an elaborate joke? Yes. Has not. He will return soon. Is that what is? Return soon. I am Christ coming soon. It is awesome. Quickly. That's because that's how that's read. I am Jesus Christ coming soon. If if I just got played by that video game, I'm I appreciate it. I feel like they've just lost a level. Of people. This is fantastic. Wait. And

if they try and release it a second time, like, if they make if they make an eye of Jesus Christ two? It's already been out for a thousand years. So when's the release date for that second Jesus Christ game? We will get a lot of buzz. That's right. Not even the sun. There's a there's a third level of That would be hysterical. I don't even know Nobody knows when they get when the release date is. Maybe. Don't worry about it. All one the don't know. Two were playing and one disappeared. I am Jesus Christ two. Now with realistic rapture. Yep. Weeds versus weeds. Okay. This is the best game ever. If they've done even half of this, I'm impressed. Oh, man. I'm so scared that we have just talked this whole thing up, and it's gonna be a terrible game. But I think, like I said, we need to send this show to them. Like, hey. We have some great ideas of what could happen. I'm just glad we changed the camera angle because I will never be on this. Yeah. You're right.

You guys will be gone and I will stay. Oh, man. That's awesome. Alright. Hey, you're listening to live from the Path. Thanks for joining us on the show tonight. There you go. Hey. Hey. Maybe you maybe you hate that conversation. You think we're outrageous. Hit us up on the complaint line. The Bob Eisenhower complaint line. (515) 517-0085. That's (515) 517-0085. We can do calls or texts. We would love to hear from you. Hey. Would you play this, I Am Jesus Christ video game? And if you would or even if you wouldn't, what features are missing? I mean, what are must haves on this game? Maybe we need a sponsor to purchase one for us. Yeah. Yeah. That's Bob.

For every complaint, Bob will give us $10. I'll call him. Call Bob. Yeah. I'll call right now. He's super cool. Wait. This this is a good a time as any to tell him he's sponsoring this complaint line. You know what? I ran into him a couple weeks ago, and I didn't even bring it up. Oh, hey. That reminds me. If you're do if you're ever searching for the show Oh, jeez. On Live From The Path and, on the Google and then you click the the icon that goes to website, it goes to some sort of Online pharmacy. Yes. Let's call it that. The best way to talk about it. Oh. I hey. I fixed that. Oh, good. Yeah. I repaired that. So just so you know, we we got we got hijacked. Just yeah. Someone snuck in and Yeah. Yeah. And they they basically reroute it so that it goes to their online pharmacy. It was a pretty common deal for for low rent Internet purveyors such as ourselves. And so I I fixed that just for a heads up. Sweet. If that ever happens again, give us the buzz on the complaint, man. I'll I'll get that repaired. It's probably been like that for eight years. Yeah. I've got a pharmacy. Somebody brought it up one time in the last eight years. Hey, man. Your website redirects to the wrong place. Okay. Hey. So here's the deal. You you have been listening to the show for, nine on ten,

fourteen minutes, and you did not even know that you have been blessed, to be listening to the, the delightful, sonic voice of Ali Crumme. And so, Ali's in studio. She has got, she's got a single out. She's got a couple EPs on the way. And so here's what I'm gonna let you do. I'm gonna let her introduce herself to you, with a tune, and, then we can, learn some more about her, and you can find out where to, where to pick up said music and, engage in what she has going on. So let's let's first, hear the song, and then we can get the background on it. Ali, are you ready for Out of My Head? I am. Alright. Let's, let's fire this up. You're listening live from the Path. This is Ali Krummik with Out of My Head. Why am I so depressed? Why all this turmoil in me?

When can I come into your presence? Out of my head and into your hands, my anxious thoughts and my heavy burdens.

Above it all, I give you my heart and place my hope in my savior and god.

The Lord will send his faithful love by day, and his song will be with me at nighttime. Out of my head and into your hands my anxious thoughts and my heavy burden.

Above it all, I give you my arms and place my hope in my savior, Oh, place your hope in God. I will still praise him.

Oh, place your hope in God, my savior and my God. God, my rock I give you my heart and place my hope in my savior, God.

Out of my head and into your hands, my anxious thoughts and my heavy burdens. Above it all, I give you my heart and place my hope

in my savior god. Oh, man. That was fantastic. Yeah. That was great. I love that. Mike, you were nowhere near as good as her. Well, now I don't wanna go. Alright. Okay. That was that was Ali Crumming with Out of My Head. So, Ali, tell us a little bit about where that song came from. The song is based on Psalm 42,

as the deer longs for streams of water. At our our church, Walnut Creek, we did a series on the Psalms last year, I think it was. And we thought it'd be cool to, like, try and do some original pieces, or maybe not even original pieces, but just some songs based on the Psalms. And so I was like, oh, this sounds like a fun challenge. And so that was one week that that I, you know, I was I was okay. It's Psalm 42 this week. So I

kind of adapted it from a song that I had written many years prior, and I changed the lyrics. And we won't talk about what that song toothbrushes? Was it toast? Was about toothbrushes and toast. So Wow. I love the peanut butter song. It wasn't about anything bad, it just, you know, it just was a a younger time. It was from a younger time. Hey, man. I've done that. I I've I've looked at like poetry and stuff that I wrote when I was 16. Sure. And I've I've been there. I thought, oh. Know. I thought that was good. Yeah. That's right. This seemed deep and impactful.

But nobody That's how I feel about all this. It's ten years from now. I'll let it be that way. We're everybody's regretful 16. Yes. Actually, that's us. We're locked into that time frame. Hey. So so you you talk about songs that you'd written kinda a ways back. What what how far back or what got you into music to begin with? That's a good question. Well, I've I've the first song that I wrote, I think I was like, you know, I remembered a song that I wrote from sick. Like, I remember I remember that. And I was you know, I wrote before then. I had taken lesson piano lessons starting at, like, age five. And, you know, off and on writing,

but, you know, I'd have seasons where I was committed to more, you know, the habit of it. So I had a season probably more, like, fifteen year well, maybe, like, ten to fifteen years ago, something like that. But, yeah, I studied music at Drake, and so that helped a lot with the songwriting, kind of gave me some a lang a little bit more of a language to be able to do it. Yeah. And, yeah, more kind of tricks and tools to, like, play around with. But, yeah, it was more recently,

probably around five years ago that I just I knew that, you know, I so, you know, I guess okay. It's I always have sung sung at church and I always have led worship since I became a Christian in 2003. Mhmm. And so that's always been on my heart, then I had three kids. And so sometimes I would be, you know, a little bit less in the mix and there would, you know, be months and

yeah, months or even longer between when I would get to sing at church, and I would notice that I had that desire no matter what. Whether I was singing every week or whether I was never singing, that never really went away. And I kind of got to the point where I realized it's not really fair for me to put this on the church. From like, the church has to be the only outlet that I have to kind of, you know, I guess this sounds bad, but to gratify my desire to play Sure. Or to sing, or to use my gifts in that way. It doesn't seem fair to to put that whole burden on the church. And so I decided, okay, well, I can write my own music and I'll I'll devote some time to that and see what happens.

And then, so that was probably around five years ago that I decided to, like, okay, I'm gonna spend some real time doing this. And then in doing that, I was like, you know what? It would be a lot easier if I to write music if I could play the guitar because I only played piano prior to that. And so about four years going on four years ago, I learned how to play guitar. I tapped myself on my on my kid, my son Ambrose on his, toy guitar Sweet. Which was a great way to learn because it's small. And then yeah. And then eventually worked up to regular guitars and then, and then my husband and I now, we we lead worship and we've been doing that for, you know, leading together me on guitar and he's singing more.

That's been probably about three years that we've been doing that. So anyway That's quite there's been a lot of song songwriting in there too. So that's that's a kind of a cool transition. Now when you when you said you, like, when you taught yourself guitar, did you use a book? Did you do videos? Did you have someone else kinda help you or, like, how did you do it? That's a good question. What did I do? I Probably YouTube Yes. Did some of it. But also, I'm I have, like, you know, because I because I have a degree in music I have you know, I know okay. So if I wanna play an f chord, I need f a and c in there, you know. Right. So I could figure it out. Oh, okay. So this one's e, so okay. Alright. That's f, you know, that sort of thing. Yep. So some of them I found out I figured out that way and I still figure out chords that way still sometimes. But,

yeah, I think it was mostly just like after the kids were in bed, tried to get, you know, the one four five six down. And then I was like, I can lead now. That's right. Yeah. Lead worship. As soon as I can suspend a second, I'll be in Talmud territory. Yeah. So Do you remember the first song that you learned? Like, the first song where you felt like, hey, I got I got this. I can play this through on the on the guitar? It was probably one of mine. I I think I probably just, you know, I probably got to the point where, okay, I can play one, four, five, six, you know Yep. And so I'll just write, oh, here's this idea of a song. Okay. And here one thing leads to another and then here you go, you have a song. So I think that was probably how it was. And then getting the capo really helped because then then I could play in different keys. Right. And now I like to think I'm a little bit better now but I know that I plateaued a few years ago, so Oh, it's yeah. It's leveled off. Okay. Okay. Now, do do do you have, any particular songwriting influences? Oh, that's a good

I have a lot of different influences, I think. I I don't know. I I do I love, the if you're familiar with the band, the Punch Brothers, anyone? Oh. Well, you guys should all look them up. They're really great. The reason that I like them is because they're a bluegrass band,

but they're really more like a fusion band and they, like, they take a lot of different genres but a lot of, like, art music elements and then they do it with bluegrass, instruments. And so, like,

my first the reason I fell in love with that band well, if you know Nickel Creek, you know Nickel Creek? Yeah. Okay. So the mandolin player, Chris Thiele, is the front man of the Punch Brothers. But yeah. So, like, their their first album, they had four tracks on it were a suite. So they were each, like, twelve minutes long. Each track was twelve minutes long. And it was just yeah. It just felt kind of like going to a recital Yeah. Like my Drake days.

And yeah. And just kind of very, off the wall music ideas, but that really work together. A lot of, like, just really thoughtful orchestration. Like like epic bluegrass? Like, I'm thinking Very epic Beethoven suites of things that all kinda go together. Yes. But like a a a frolicking bluegrass number in four in four odes. That's what we're talking about? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and it and it Sounds awesome. And like part of it goes into almost like atonal worlds and stuff. I mean, it's super cool. Okay. And in fact, Chris Thiele has written a mandolin concerto that is with a full symphony orchestra. So like Well, hey, hang on.

Thank you. Hang on. This train has left the station three three weeks ago and I'm stuck on I don't know what what art music is. I'm sitting there back going, I love you lost me at one four five six or whatever. Shut up, boo boo. You're you're the rain on the train. When you said it's art music, what does that mean? Oh, that's yeah. So okay. Maybe think of it like this, like, have you know high church and low church? Right. Which one are we? Okay. We're low church. Low church. Low church.

Are they in the basement? Yeah. So, like, high church would be like Liturgy versus high fives. Like like an Anglican church Yeah. Or like a Catholic or something like that. So think of that, that's kinda like, you know, art music is high church and folk music It's been. Is or pop music or rock or whatever, that that's the music of the people. And then, you know, it's like Beethoven, Mozart, all that that those that was that's art. But this is this is this is high church bluegrass? High Church Bluegrass. Well, I It sounds like an awesome band. It'd be kind of okay. So to go with the analogy, it would be like

a like a house church doing a full liturgy kind of thing. Do you know what I mean? This is Yeah. I'm just thinking right off the top of my head, I have not thought this through. That's the last ten years of this show. That's okay. That hits me right in my soul. Everything that you said right there makes So yeah. That would be a good analogy, maybe. Second service, Presbyterian. Yeah. Not the not the first one with the robes. Yeah. Sorry. He's a Yeah. But Yeah. You have, like in a house church, you have someone wearing the robe, you know. You band have aid. Hey. Like, we worship Jesus but you can vape in here. But but no Chad. It's alright. Or a pipe, but not not like a real cigarette. Yeah. Pipes are vape. Pipes are vapes. Okay.

I'm in it. Okay. Pipes are vapes. Wait a got high church bluegrass. Have you seen I'm sorry. Presbyterian. Have seen that vaping that I got? The vaping pipe where you could smoke a like, it looks like a pipe. No. It looks like a Mershon pipe? Yeah. But it's a it's a vapor. Oh, no. I'm telling you what. Society is wrong. You know what? You're gonna ruin the pipe for everybody. You know I'm saying? Was a classic pipe with a vape cloud. That's not okay. No good. Sorry, Ben. Okay. No. But but just to land this plane here though Yes. I didn't listen into that first song of yours. I didn't think High Church Bluegrass. No. I know. Okay. Yeah. It's it's kind of one of those things where you appreciate the genius of somebody and then you can't replicate it yourself. So Jerry Springer says he really digs on Oprah as an influence, but his show doesn't look like Oprah. Yeah. That's probably That that seems like a very harsh comparison.

I'm very sorry about that. You kidding me. It's just what came into my mind. Yeah. Maybe we should take a step back from that. Okay. Ali Cromie You did not sing like the Jerry Springer. I hope that song was phenomenal. You're a great singer. You're a great guitar incredibly You know what? Forget it. I don't take it back. I'm protected by it. You know how Jerry Springer wishes he was Oprah? You see that.

You kidding me? You listen to the French brothers, though, and it's it's a churcher. I shouldn't have even brought him up. Put your vape away. You're disgusting. No. You did great. The host of ten years just messed that one up. You're just fine. No. I I don't take it back. I sit where I sit. Okay.

Okay. Wait. So so was your family musical? Like, do you come from a musical family or you were in aberration? Yeah. I come from a musical family. I'm on fire over there. Come on. I'm important to my family. So are you on, Jerry? On fire. Things are weird about you. Come on, man. Jesus. Hey. Okay. Before this trade leaves another station, where this this music is available to hear to hear commercially. Are talking about the Punch Brothers or are talking about No. Yours. My stuff. Okay.

Well, the Punch Brothers, yes, those are they are available. No. But mine is I have a single out Okay. Called I Have Peace, is the next song that I'll sing. Oh my gosh. Don't worry. You guys got me all frail. This is why I don't take it back. She's throwing punches. So I yes. So one is available now but more will be available hopefully early spring. I'm gonna we're gonna we've got studio dates in

early January to record my first EP which will include the single and then and then five additional songs. You already have the five songs picked out? I do have the five songs picked out. The three songs I'll sing tonight Mhmm. Are all are three of the five. Like, I guess that's not true. It's two of them are of the five and then the one is I Have Peace. But it will they're all they're all three of the six Sure. That will be on the EP. Yeah. Then once that's out and launched,

then we'll do a second EP with different instrumentation. And a lot of those songs are gonna be TBD. So we'll find out. And the release date of that will be in 2020 sometime as early as we can get it. Well, let's say you're super interested in these in these promises. You say, hey, this music sounds I wanna get in on the single. I wanna know when the stuff is coming out and you wanna be kind of on the front line of it. The the the best place to find Ali is on the Insta. Mhmm. You're gonna you're gonna go at allie crummy music, that's a l l I e c r u m m y music altogether That's right. On Insta.

And and that that's that's that's where she lives. She's most comfortable there. Yes. Moving on Facebook as well. And Facebook is so lousy. YouTube. I do have a music video out on YouTube so that's fun. Okay. So so that and that's what you can check out now. You can go watch the video for I Have Peace. Mhmm. That's out on on YouTube. Now, do do you know your YouTube handle? I think it's Ali Krummy Music. Yeah. There we go. It's the same everywhere. Just try it out everywhere and see what happens. Just yeah. Whatever happens, happens. Yeah. So Yeah. Yeah. Don't click on the website button though. In case some you have a do you have a website, an actual site? I don't. I should. My husband It only brings pain. He could do that. Gonna say, make sure it doesn't take you to some To take it like a weed thing or something? Yeah. A pharmacy? I feel like I under Did air quote it? I didn't see that. Was there an air quote? She saw the tape. Roll the tape. Yeah. Roll the tape. Hey. She said weed. I didn't say weed. She said weed because it's like the Jared Spingers show. Yeah.

Okay. Alright. Slow church now. Okay. So so so two things two things you're gonna do three things you're gonna do relatively directly after you get done listening to show. First thing you're gonna is gonna go to Instagram and you're gonna find Ali Krumovic and you're gonna follow it so that you can keep be kept up to date on everything that's going on. Two, once you sign up for that, I'm I'm confident there's either a link to the video or the video out on this Instagram to go watch the I Have Peace video Yes. Which I did see and it looks good and you will recognize Micah from the August Guns. Mhmm. He's in the video. Yeah. You can like, he cuts a he cuts a mean cloth. I saw him and I said, hey, that's Micah from the August go. Yeah. So he's on there. You can check him out. Yeah. Three, you're gonna go listen to these Punching Hillbillies. What was it again? Punch Brothers. The Punch Brothers. Yeah. Yeah. Punching Hillbillies. I did not mean to make this whole thing about the Punch Brothers but they are brain. I'm gonna listen to it, you're gonna listen to it, you're gonna get back to me and we're gonna we're gonna pair notes.

And that's that's what we're gonna do. So those are the three things, put them on the list. And to clarify, they really did only the one suite. So the rest of it is not gonna sound quite as art music y. But the first album I'm really deflated. I know. I should I got a lot roll this all back and edit all edit it all out. No. No. The tape's free on the Internet, Alec. We we just let it roll. Yeah. I know. Okay. Hey. So check this out. I was up in I was in Minneapolis this week, and I stayed at a hotel that I don't normally stay in. Like, I usually I stay in the cheap hotel,

but there was, a bargain on the nicer hotel that was closer to work, so I stayed at this nicer hotel. Anyway, there's this there's this, there's one restaurant in the basement and it's called it's I call it Giulia, but it's it's certainly not Giulia. It's like some kind of Italian restaurant. What would they say it? How would they say it, Buva? Giulia? Yeah. I it's probably not Giulia. Right? Say it like that. No. I I'm I'm I would just I have no idea. I have no idea how to you're spelling it how it looks. Giulia. Yeah. Giulia? Is that what you're saying? I think Giulia. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Seems like how Mike did it. Anyway Like I did. So would that end up too?

Oh, now it's definitely an Italian restaurant. So Yeah. So anyway, I go here and, like, I'm not prepared for this. I don't I don't do well in social situations even when I'm by myself. And so I look at this menu and they have, like, these pizzas. You can make your own pizzas and they're, like, $18 for this pizza. The next thing on the menu was $42. So $18 pizza that you eat by yourself or some sort of, like, lamb dish. And, like, everything else was $40 and above. And here's the thing, I don't really like to explain to my boss why I ate a $40 lamb dish. So I'm in for this pizza. K? And so I ordered this pizza and they, it takes it's taking, like, forever. I'm sitting there waiting for it. It's taking forever. The guy finally shows up and he says, I'm very sorry, sir. We gave your pizza to someone else. I'm like, what? What do mean you gave it to someone else? And he leans down and he whispers in my ear and he goes,

the pope is in the area. What? And I said, all kidding me? At Julio? I I said, I'll be doggone, sir. He didn't order the land fish. But, apparently, the so the the pope but he wasn't stay I thought maybe he was staying in the hotel. And, but but he wasn't. He was in town. He was in some kind of, like, van like a bus, like a traveling bus like Bernie Sanders. Yeah. Like, he was he was his way to Des Moines. And I say, I'll be doggone it again. I'm from that area. And they said, no. The the the the the pope is definitely in town. He's he's he's we've heard he's in he got pizza. Now he's in Des Moines. And so I get back home and I start asking around. And there's a crowd of people that, that I followed, and they ended up at at Mike's place. And I'm like, what the heck ever? Mike is not Catholic. There's no way the pope is at his place. And so I kinda go in and talk to him, and it turns out that there's been a a malicious rumor that Mike is the pope, and all these people have gathered on his front lawn. And so now the the problem is he's gotta get him to go away. And so the resolution always always, this is for you. This is advice from me to you. Always, if someone mistakes you for the pope, the way to get them off their lawn is to give them some sort of advice like the pope would. When he walks out onto the veranda thing and he gives the advice, it's gotta be something that's relevant to your life, so it's heartfelt and they take it home with him. So Mike, you have to give him some pope style advice, what did you say?

So I walked out walked out to my door and I looked out at the mass of people and I said, listen, I went and visited a family member of mine in the hospital and that that there it's

they're not it's it's coming to the end for him. It's it's it's just is. And, I was I was sitting there talking to him and I listened to him speak and every word out of his mouth was a grateful one. Right? He was grateful for every little kid he saw. He was grateful for every for for my daughter. He knows my kids, you know, okay well, but, you know, not very well, but, like, he just considered them to be such a blessing.

He he was grateful for every nurse that came in, every janitor that came by, every doctor that stopped by just to say hello. And, like, where the doctor would come in or the nurse would come in and I could I picked out six things that irritated me about the dude, you know, his squeaky shoes or whatever. I felt he wasn't in there very long and and the patient he's just sitting there, just great he goes, boy, they just do and then they left the room and he looks at me and goes, boy, they just do a great job here. They just really do. They just do a great job. I'm so grateful that they have such caring people here. And I thought, man, I could not been more disappointed in myself

that I just flat out don't have a grateful heart. Like, I just I just don't. I could spend a solid amount of my day thinking about everything that was, you know, not right or that everything that I I, you know, irritated me or I didn't think was up to whatever I thought it was gonna be. And and the thing is is I'd like to chalk it up to the fact that, like, that he is not gonna be here much longer, but he's always been this way. Ever since I've known him, he's been this way. And and and he's 95 now. And so I've probably known him for twenty years and and he has always been this. He it's he always every time he would reminisce about somebody from his past, he goes, yeah, they were just such great people. And in my head, I'm thinking, no possible way everybody you've ever met is that great. There is no possible way that every person that you recall a story of or have an interaction with that you think,

yeah, they were just a great they were great people. And I think it can be that. I think it's I think I'm not that way. And I think that maybe I'm not alone. I think maybe I spend a lot of time not appreciating the fact that I get to know even my own kids. Right? Like, I look at them as the role they play, which is one of my children. Right? But, like, if I if I look past that and look at who they actually are and the and the interaction that I get to have with them and the complete gift of of just being able to know another person and to have another person know you, I think you could probably actually look back on a good bulk of your life

and be grateful for those interactions. And I think maybe on the whole, I think we completely waste that. I think I completely waste that. Where I you know, it's easier it's funnier to tell the story about how that one like, there's a guy with the super squeaky shoes this morning. I spent probably twenty minutes making fun of this guy to a friend of mine. Every time I was we were just standing around talking and here come old squeaky shoes. You know, it's like, ah, he's got squeaky shoes. You know? Where where grandpa would have up and talked to the guy, knew him, and he goes, yeah, that Mark, he's a really he's a great guy. He had some squeaky shoes, but he was a great guy. You know what I'm saying? It's a complete afterthought. Complete afterthought that my main goal is the comedy, making fun of the man's shoes. Right? And so, anyway,

I think I say all that to say that, like, in in the in the amount of time that I was up there talking to him, I just realized that that I I feel like I've I've wasted a giant amount of my life being disappointed in in in people and not grateful for them. Even the one even the ones that caused me a lot of trouble and caused me a lot of heartache. It really is a perspective change. You don't have to you don't have to be mad. You don't have to hate them. You don't have to be irritated with them. That is a choice that you make. I mean, you don't have to put yourself in a position where you're gonna be harmed, you know. I mean, there's there's obviously times to back out of relationships and whatever. I don't I don't wanna swing with a giant bat, but, I mean, some of the little things I

you know, it's it is a complete choice of yours to choose to be grateful for them or not grateful for them. So my pope style advice is remember whose kingdom it is, that you don't have to fight for your own. You get to choose to be grateful and it's it's it's God's kingdom, not yours. So be grateful for the things that that you know, especially for the relationships and the people, even if it's just the guy you see at the gas station every Tuesday. I mean, that guy don't have to smile at you. He don't have to remember your name. He doesn't have to remember that you always get a Mountain Dew and a Twinkie. Right? But he does. But he does. Why? I don't know why. He just does. And that and it's just weird little things like that that are just I don't know. My pope's solid advice is is is try to replace some of that

irritation and and maybe upsetness and just spray that in for some humility and some gratefulness. Well, you know what I think it is? Because I I I very much do that. And I think there's there's something that's inborn that says, one, I wanna feel like I have things figured out. And so if I believe that I am,

if I am wiser than the world around me, when it acts, I act, it's it's to be consistent with that, I shouldn't be surprised. But when the gas station guy does things that a gas station guy would do, I shouldn't be surprised or grateful for it because that's just what it's supposed to do and I'm wise and I'm hip to that and I know that. And so, like, it's it's kind of built in as people for us not to be, I'm I'm grateful when I'm surprised, right, when I didn't expect something. And so the problem is is that my expectation,

I very much believe I either am owed or my sense of what is normal, doesn't bend towards gratefulness. It bends towards, oh, yeah. I have this figured out. The way that person holding open the door doesn't surprise me. I'm too cool for school. They hold open the door because they should've. And so why should I have to feel grateful for that? And, like, it's not an attempt to say I don't wanna be grateful, but, like, it's just I think it's an attempt to say, I'm not surprised by anything to to some way to say that I have control more control of my world than I actually have. You know, it's it's actually it's a prime example with how we interact with with Yahweh too. It's it I I recall specifically this in this past week, I I ain't kidding you. I got down on my knees and put buried my head on the floor and prayed for something and I asked God to interact in something. And he did. He absolutely showed up and did it. Like, to the point where I went and found a rock

and wrote on it. I'm not a big rock guy but building the rock. But I but I thought this if I've ever been part of a rock day, this is a rock day. Putting up an Ebenezer. I'm putting up an Ebenezer. I'm fine. I I in fact, I text the woman. I said, woman, today's a rock day. I want you to find me a rock and I'm gonna that's it. Today's a rock day. And I thought I the whole time, I thought, I know he did it. I know he did it. I asked him to do it. I prayed about it. And he showed up like this in direct response for what I've done. And then the next day, you could not find me in that same mindset, which means my grateful I assented to it. Like, we always talk about this is, like, it it doesn't do you any good to cognitively assent to Jesus. Right? You're just in. You're a follower of Christ. Right? You can't just agree with him. You gotta follow him. And, like, even when god shows up and answers a direct prayer that I begged him for, and I at at the time, it was overwhelming and I was just so

blown away that he even cared to answer that. But he did and I don't know why he did, but he did. And then the next day, I thought, if someone had just given me, like, a brand new car two days ago, I would still be extremely grateful but for that. But because I think God is a God of interaction and God is a God of doing crazy things and I've seen him do it, you're right. I just go, well, that's what God does. Right. So my gratefulness goes, you know, like, I I it's not like I can't acknowledge it was awesome, it was awesome. But without that sense of gratefulness, it seems like I miss my right place and more importantly, his right place. Well, and think of think of how many other relationships in your life get stale because of that. Right? Like, everyone appreciates their spouse when you get married and then you just start relegating them to roles. Well, isn't that what you're supposed to do anyway?

And then you stop being grateful for the very things that, like, you were super grateful to beginning. And, like, it isn't because your situation has changed, it's because your perspective has changed. You got used to something, decided that you were owed it or that it was normal, and then as it continues to move on, you no longer thank that person or think of them kindly for for doing those things or being that person for you. It's some people are so great at this. Like, the the way that they look at the world, they're like, boy, I just I thank god for the breath I have today. And, like, that is not me. I feel like, lord, you created the breath. It is doing what it is supposed to do. And so, like, it is just not in me to be like, lord, I thank you for this very breath today. I'm like, you could have killed me already and you decided not it's I don't I'm not saying I'm thinking about this right. I'm just saying, like, it just does not it does not flow through my mind in this way. And it's and it it causes me, Mike Mike, think to your point, to be ungrateful because it assumes things. It moved as my standard of as God's standard of grace continues

to be further revealed in my life, I just accept it as if it is now belongs to me. Not that it is more further and more robustly sustaining me in the life that I have. And I'm and and, to that extent, I become ungrateful. Or or it's not ungrateful, it's just blind to it. Yeah. Like, I don't and same thing, like, it's a very I've been married for whatever fifteen years. Same same risk. Doing the very same thing and not appreciating what is one of the things that my my wife and I pray about is, like, hey, man, we we should be enjoying our children. Like, I feel like sometimes we just don't like, we're we're going through the motions of making sure that we are trying to parent well and trying to raise them to be good humans. But, like, they are enjoyable people. I like them. And if I go, like, three days and I don't found that I've enjoyed my kids, that's not their fault. I don't care what they did. That was that's on me. I'm just I'm simply setting myself to not enjoy these cool little humans that the lord has given me to to shepherd around,

and that's and that that's on me. Yeah. You can get off my lawn now. I'm grateful that you stopped by. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Right. How so, Dan, what what do we do here? Like, I stink at this. Help me. Oh, man. How do I fix this? Honestly,

I I go back and forth. I have days where I I am thankful, like, for every third breath. And I'm like, I look up at the sun and I think, hey, thank you. I I'll go through two weeks and not think of anything. And I I I I I'll go back and forth where you are and and not not to get really weird, but but I mean, I read once I wish I could find where I read this that the the Jews had, like, a a official blessing and prayer they did after a bowel movement. And it was like they did like, after everyone, like, thank you, God. You you know, like Mhmm. Get the bodies work and everything. And there were times I I'll I'll think, yeah. Thanks. I think, okay. That's really weird.

So that's when I have those moments. Right. And, you know, and but yeah. Well, it's really helpful, Dan. I know. I know where your faith in the heart goes, Dan. It it was an official Jewish thing. Wait for something in a while. It had a name. I don't remember it. Although actually, so build that that's a good point. Building it into your prayer life is super helpful. We've been talking about this actually at church as as a as a as a church. We we I was looking at Sunday morning and and, basically, we spend a lot of time. We focus on on on pretty deep and kind of intensive. We spend the time singing and praising and but then I looked and said, look, if I wanted any any to somebody to know anything about our church community, like, it could be like, those guys will pray you under the table. And I thought, we could not pray anybody over the table. Like, we have a few people that could do it. But, like, as a community, like, we it's just it's not a crazy big focus for us and, like and it's reflected in Sunday morning that it isn't. I thought, well, that has to change. And so we've actually been spending, like, focused time on

prayer over the last few weeks. And, like, that was one of the key things that that is is starting to guide us is it, like, don't just show up and start spurting to god whatever's on your mind. Like, that would be rude if you were meeting someone for coffee to do that, and so I'm just gonna do that to god. And one of the things, the helpful things was, like, let's just start acknowledging who God is and what he does. And, like, if you have to go through the alphabet, and think of what matches and, and start start doing that to help you get get get your mind and and start thinking about God that way, then great. And that actually helps me start being grateful because I start I start forcing myself to recognize, that God is is is is accommodating, and love is bountiful and, like, things like that, and, like, then I start being grateful for it. So even being reminded of who God is and things that describe him start causing me to be grateful for things that I'd otherwise not acknowledge.

And so to be honest, that that's been actually helpful in in bringing those things to mind. So, I mean, if it's something that you're struggling with, just been doing that for the last few weeks and that's been super helpful. And you could you could pray about the bowel movements. Yeah. Hey. Dan, do Google it. Oh, Dan. Go ahead. Your search results are gonna be tainted for weeks. You're incognito mode on that? Jewish bowel mission. Yatzer? I don't know. Is that, like wrong. Is that, like, the name of that Italian restaurant? They said the yazir. Excited after What?

I'm sorry. What? How do they describe it? Engaging in an act of what? After using Hebrew writing. What is unsuccessful? I don't we're not talking. I'll get back to you. Move it. Yeah. Jerry? Jerry Springer. Jerry

Springer. I've been doing it. I'm Jerry Springer of Hosts. Okay. So let's do this. Ali, let's jump into another tune. Okay. Great. Go go ahead and grab your grab your axe there. So the the I was gonna do the song that the single that is out. And so remember, you can you can find her on Instagram at at alie crummy music, a l l I e c r u m m y music, and and and get a take a look at his video. I saw the video. It's beautiful. It's a great looking video. My friend Hannah did a great job. Hannah Hannah is talented. And

and so anyway but but she's gonna perform that same song here in the studio with us. So tell us a little bit about the song I Have Peace. Oh, okay. Do do how little do you want? Tell us, less than ten minutes, but more than two. Okay. Oh, okay. Good. Alright. I can So my son, Lincoln, was born in January 2015,

but he was supposed to be born in April 2015. And he was born so early because I had eclampsia. Mhmm. If anybody knows so preeclampsia is the thing they get nervous that it's lead to eclampsia, which is seizures. And so I wasn't feeling very well,

and I you know, this is before the before the seizure. I didn't know what was going on. I just didn't quite feel well, and it got to this point where I couldn't move my head one way, actually. And then the next day, then I had, you know, I had more pain kind of in my abdomen, and I called, and the OB was like, oh, well, you've got an appointment tomorrow. Just wait it out. And I was like, I don't know. I don't I feel like I need to come in. And so I ended up calling my husband. He came home, and I drove myself to the hospital.

And I was in triage for fifteen minutes, and then I had a two minute grand mal seizure. And then my yeah. And then they said, you know, we're we're delivering you this today, you know, your son. It's I was at thirty weeks, and so it was very scary. Yeah. And then after that, I had so things were going well. My son was doing well. He was in the NICU. I was still in the hospital, but it was the day that I was gonna get discharged.

And then I kind of have memory loss because but apparently, I told somebody, you know, I I went to the NICU to go visit my son, and then, apparently, I told somebody, I feel really weird. I feel like I'm gonna have another seizure. And then so next thing I know, I'm just you know, I'm kinda strapped to a bed. I'm on this magnesium drip thing, and I'm stuck, you know, in this bed for twenty four hours where, you know, where it's anti seizure stuff. And then my blood pressure is just through the roof. You know, when I had gone in before my first seizure and that triage, my I think they they read it and it was, like, 200 something for one teens.

And then, you know, that second time, you know, after the the postpartum preeclampsia, it was really intense. And it was I was in the hospital for eight days. And it was, just days of, like, you know, one fifty, one sixty, one eighty over 100. You know, we would get really excited if the bottom number was under a 100. And so I I mean, it was it was terrifying. I could see my pulse. I felt like I was gonna

explode, because there was just so much pressure under my skin. And I was terrified. I thought I was gonna die, and I also thought I was gonna die before my son was born. And I had just thought, you know, the May the first thing I thought is I just drove myself here. I could have had a seizure while I was driving, or I could have taken the doctor's advice and had a seizure at home with my two kids by myself, and I would have died. And so I just I remember in that moment on that table, you know, the the first before my son was born, the first seizure, I just remember,

one, being really scared. Like, I could die on this table. And two, also feeling like, take off your shoes. You're on holy ground kind of thing. Woah. God saved my life. Yeah. But at the but, you know, anyway so anyway, so I my I was on blood pressure meds for about four months after. Just it was just very intense. Just really hard to get things under control. And then I just had other things. I think, like, when your body goes through that much, pressure, you know, that much, you know, kinda like you stub your toe and it hurts for a while, That was like what happened to my cardiovascular.

So Oh. It reverberated for months. Right. Like heart palpitations and stuff like that and then I'm looking up, you know, heart palpitations at, you know, four months postpartum and then I learned about cardiomyopathy. And I'm like, oh, I'm gonna have heart failure. I'm gonna die and all these things. So, again, it feels like I'm gonna die. And, just kind of there was a that whole year just kind of feeling like my body was trying to kill me. Right. And then later that year, I got in a really bad well, wasn't really bad. It could have been a lot worse. But I got in a bike accident, like, by myself, you know, I fell off my bike. But I I broke my collarbone in two and then and then it didn't heal right so then I had to have orthopedic surgery and that all happened in the same year. Wait. Minor clarification. Like motorcycle or like Oh, bicycle. Bicycle. You bicycle. Okay. I know. It's not I'm not judging. I just just clarification. Hey, hey, let me go pretty fast on those things. I've I've been going twenty, twenty five miles an hour and gone I mean, I am. I was at Sailorville going down like the dam. Yep. You know, it was yeah. Never again will I do that. But anyway, it was just that year,

there was a lot of uncertainty with my health. And there was a lot of just fear which was technically probably irrational fear but felt pretty rational because a lot of terrible things had already happened. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. And the thing that scared me the most was when I thought it was gonna you know, when when it was like, I might die on this table and then I got to see exactly how I felt about that. You know what I mean? Yeah. And, you know, you you have your theology and you're like, oh, yeah. I know. If I die today, I'm a 100% sure I go to heaven and, like, to to live is Christ and to die is gain. And so you know all these things and you say all these right answers, but then it's like, today, I might die and then you see how you actually feel about it. And I was terrified. And I was that was that

was terrifying to me. Because I was like, am I not a Christian? Like, I not saved? Like, should I be that scared? And so, anyway, I wrote this song that year to remind myself of truth, to remind myself of the fact that in Christ, I have peace with God, you know, that that

I have his righteousness, that I, I've been made made righteous through his blood, that I'm sinful and I messed up, and also, like, I'm faithless sometimes too. But that he's made a promise to me and it's based on his word and mine. And so I, yeah, I wrote this song because I needed to be reminded of. And I needed to sing them, and I needed to think about them, and I needed them to

help calm me down and think it helped. So That's a great reason to write a song. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No doubt. Yeah. Well, awesome. I I bet, so you're ready for it. You're pretty you set up the pins. Yep. Ready to Ready to knock them down. Alright. Okay. So, this is, I Have Peace. You're listening to Ali Crumme on Live From The Path. I don't know what tomorrow

will bring, but I know that trials will come. And I don't know when the end will be for me but I have peace I have peace

I have peace with god I have peace I have peace I have peace with god I am guilty

guilty of sin, no matter how hard I try. But I will stand one day before it's holy bow, and I'll have peace.

I'll have peace. I'll have peace through his blood. I'll have peace. I'll have peace. I'll have peace through his blood. Through his blood.

Through his blood. I have peace have peace with god I have peace I have peace

have peace to his Man, that's fantastic. I like I and I that's the story behind it is is, I don't know. It draws you in like It makes it deeper. Yeah. Yeah. It really does. That was great. Yeah. Especially if you have if you have kids, you know, you see how how easy easy stuff like that is to happen and I'll I you know, I like it in almost its simplicity.

Like, when things are just not they're just messy. Right? Like, it's it's it's almost just amazingly deep and simple to look back at. Here's the things I know. Yep. I I know that I you know, if there's a place to start, I think right? I think that's it. Right. And we can't we can't always have with people. You know, sometimes that takes a it's a two way street. We can have forgiveness and we can have

readiness to be reconciled, but we can't always have peace there. Yeah. We can have peace, which is really cool that that that's something that is that's promised to us and it's not based on how good of a job we're doing as Christians or how often we're reading our Bibles or whatever. It's based on what he's done for us. Really like that song. Hey, man. So so as a reminder, that's the one of the ones you can dig on. You can go out, and,

hit up the YouTube. That one's out now. That's right. It is available to be listened to, be taken in visually. It's on Spotify too. It's on Apple Music. Yeah. Yeah. Amazon. So you could I mean, you could buy it. You can purchase it. I can stream it or I can buy it. You can buy it and the money would go to me if you well, yeah. I can stream it for free though. And you'll get like a I guess okay. You know what we're saying? We're here for you. Yeah. I mean, you want me to tell lies on here? I stream everything. I think so so I don't know if you guys remember, Mike and I put a put a song out, it would had been a year more than a year ago. You're in past ago. To try to raise money for, those orphanages and stuff when you're going to Ethiopia and, like, it's on Spotify. I mean, and you get, like, 0.0008¢. It's actually not even Per per So I'm looking at my Spotify numbers and I did the math and right now, it's looking at point zero zero zero eight. So

it's 10 it's a tenth of what I was expecting. Yeah. Oh, man. Gonna send an email. It was the summer house. Look, the boys were putting out, like, the some random dudes were putting out their Spotify numbers as as artists or whatever. Mhmm. Like, do you get to see do do we have Yes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Was it oh, it was bad. Ali, do you You're asking about my numbers? Yeah. Yeah. Numbers. Yeah. No. Actually, I was really pleasantly surprised by my numbers. Right now, it's getting close to 24,000 stream Awesome. On Spotify. Yeah. So you would think that would end up to be more than $61 but it doesn't

end up It's good one consume. They're not the thing. I'm telling you. They know by okay. Hold on a minute. I'm ready. Yo. What do you got? No. No. No. That's that's awesome. I thought I was handed over for dear life from the path. I didn't say I thought I didn't say, are you ready? I said I was ready. Yodel and porpoise. Yodel and porpoise. Fan name. Wimak's pulling that up again, Instagram at, alacromi music. And so, hey, here's the deal, buy the tune. Go out and buy buy so, like, yeah, you can stream it and and enjoy it but,

we could just drop the buck on it or whatever it is. Alright? You would do you do whatever you want. Yeah. No. It's all good. No. It's all good. Ali is much You cannot tell people do whatever they do. You have to tell them specifically, hey, spend the dollar. That's how you get an online pharmacy. Yeah. If you don't spend a dollar, we will figure out how to get your website to be an online pharmacy too. Here's the deal. All threatened. I'm Only like eight people listen to the program and so if she doesn't sell eight songs, I know who's responsible. Oh, hey. We are aware of every single one I bet. Grandma. What do got, Mike? Dear, lie from the path. I work at a small office with five other people. Through the nature of our business, we work various shifts throughout the day. I am the oldest employee, and when it comes to our schedule, I feel discriminated again. I usually get four night shifts and one day shift a week. Everyone else gets one night shift and the rest day shifts. The lead technician is the one who arranges our schedule. If I ask her about it, she tells me she has no one else or some similar excuse when I know she easily can change things to make it more fair. I'm not one of her, quote, buddies, probably because I'm at least twenty years older than the rest. I just get very frustrated every time I see my new schedule. The part time people get better hours than I nation?

I don't know if you understand how a at will employer employee relationship works, sir. But no, it's not discrimination, you could just quit. Yeah. Yeah. You don't I guess that's the thing. It's like you can say, look, I don't wanna work these hours anymore. Hoover.

No. I don't wanna hear. I don't wanna hear. No. Okay. I do. Go ahead. Technically speaking, if if if you when it comes to discrimination and things like that, the burden of proof is on the employer, not on you. And so you basically have to just claim it, and then they have to prove that they if they don't have any kind of documented process when it comes to how you get shift bids, how you get schedules, how the schedules are made, if there have been documented conversations of we asked other employees, no one's able to. We have a yearly thing that we ask everyone what their availability is, that kind of stuff. The employer has to supply that kind of information to show that it's not a kind of discrimination. But I have a two year track record of him showing up and working these shifts. Agreed. No. I'm not I'm not saying I'm saying not it is discrimination by textbook. What I'm saying is that you have a claim. You can else is going to school or whatever. You're the only guy available Which is why the burden of proof is on the employer to go, hey. I have documented processes that say every three months we have a shift bid based off the my employees. No. Every night I schedule him and he shows up. That's that's my proof. Yeah. And if you have conversations that have that documented, you're in a lot better of a place than just saying, hey. I did it and I hope for the best. That's that's the place we're at right now when it comes to employment law. You are right. It's an at will employer. You're absolutely right. You have every right to leave at any point in time just like your employer has a right to fire. Yeah. Just because you have the right to leave doesn't mean you weren't discriminated. Yeah. Exactly. Right? Just because it's an at will employer Yeah. Or an at will country,

really, doesn't mean the discrimination doesn't happen. I mean, here's the thing. If I felt you were you were digging for the right reasons here, you're asking if it's discrimination because you're gearing up for to do something naughty. You're gonna be a mister nasty pants. Like, you're not saying, how do I get this fixed or do I have a legal obligation to get myself put on day shift? You're not saying, how can I resolute this problem? Right. Exactly. You're like how can I dramatize this problem and The make it way the discrimination goes and wrongful termination and all that kind of stuff, you're absolutely right? You should have the conversations with your employer first before you go to the legal system. The legal system is in place because you had the conversations with your employer already. You had conversations with their bosses or whatever that looks like, and they weren't willing to do things for you and prove that. Yeah. He's using a lot of I feel like Yeah. Exactly. You're absolutely right. It's not immediately, hey. I feel like I'm being discriminated against. I haven't spoken to anyone, but I did call OSHA or I did call the Department of Labor. That's that's not a fair thing to do. You're not allowing your employer to fix things. But if you just feel bad about something, especially if the conversation or the thing that they said was, it's probably because I'm twenty years older than them and not a part of their friend club. That means you haven't had a real structured conversation with your employer that says, hey. I do feel discriminated against and fix that. That's the whole job of an HR manager is to feel those kind of, responses and those kind of conversations and to go, okay. Let me investigate and look into that. Let me see what's happening. Prove on my end that it's not discrimination, and then make sure on your end it doesn't look like discrimination. That's the whole deal of an HR. So so, I mean, roll it up. Here's the thing. As a a as a person, practical perspective, understand

that, we the the word discrimination has become a loaded term. Absolutely. To discriminate between things is to make distinctions. You have two different shifts, sir. Three different shifts, it sounds like. Out of five people? What kind of operation is this? It sounds like a drug cartel. Right. Anyway, so you need to think about this from a from a more practical perspective. Are they treating you differently because you're doing night shifts primarily and someone else is doing day day shifts primarily? Yes. That is a distinction. Not a discrimination. It's a distinction. Now, if they are doing that because, are there are there probably reasons for that? Sure. Are they implicitly nefarious? No. No. Not necessarily. I can think of a a completely plausible explanation that it has to do with age, frankly. If I got five people in my office and one guy no longer has children or whatever and he seems to be freer at night, of which four of my younger folks just seem to be tied up or whatever, at nighttime, and so they need to be, working during the day, and so that's what works out for them, great. It's probably not that he's because they want him on the night shift, it's because no one else is willing to take the night shift, and he say he seems to put up with it. That's not discrimination. Right. If you don't like it, absolutely, you need to have that conversation. There's no reason you shouldn't have that and say, look, don't wanna keep doing this. You need to try harder. I'm doing this because I thought I was helping the company or whatever. I don't intend to do this forever. I need you to help and get me another shift. Totally cool. But let's just be clear that, like, people make decisions for reasons.

Just because those are synonyms to discrimination doesn't mean they're you actually have a problem. It's just a distinction that was made for a reason. You need to actually know whether it's a nefarious reason, and you need to actually attempted to solve the problem or to improve your situation before you start saying things like discrimination. I'm not saying like, if if they are discriminating against you, then you should do something about it. You have full fledged to do it. But I'm just saying, like, let's walk into it like a don't assume the worst. Let's try to solve it in the best possible way we can. Let's try to make peace with people around to the extent that we can do it, and then only take action when you actually have to. That's what I'm saying. Regulars advice? Yeah. Yeah. Anybody else? We all good here? I agree. I agree with what you said. K. Ally, you good?

I mean, I I might be I might be a little bit more I mean, I agree that he probably should talk to the employer first. The question I would ask is maybe why hasn't he? Maybe there's a reason why he maybe he doesn't feel comfortable bringing that maybe he doesn't feel like he will be listened to. Maybe he does feel like there's a non an a hostile environment that there's a reason why he I mean, but, like, doesn't he have to do it anyway? Like, could, like, again, let's say he feels that way but, I mean, I feel like he's He probably still should. You should validate it. He should probably still He probably still should but but if you if you think about, you know, if if may yeah. Maybe there's he could cite reasons why he wouldn't or or maybe yeah. But I think there could be reasons why it might not be as, generous on his end. Yeah. Well, I I think that goes to a broader point which is, like, you don't have to live it. Like, it doesn't have to be a comfortable conversation. But but here's the thing is that, like Something's happening. Like, no Yeah. No one can function off what you what you think or what you believe, right? Like, if you wanna if you're talking about something tangible, they are discriminating against me, then do something tangible that says, hey, are you discriminating against me? Or I want day shifts and they won't do it because of my age. Great. Nailed it. We're good to go. And I I get that it probably won't be that clean but, like, I I do wanna make sure I think there's a prudence in,

even as followers of Jesus Christ, like, we we do have to deal with our reality. And, like, a lot of times we get caught up in what is not actually we don't know if it's true. We just believe see something may or may not be true, and we don't actually give people the chance to actually act in it. Where where where where injustices exist, we should be acting into that. But, like, we gotta make sure they actually exist and not just kind of in our in our minds or whatever. And so, like, you're gonna have to take the step and then whatever. If if it validates what you think, great. You have actionable things. Go go to town. But I would say too that in as much as, like, he should should make sure that it exists, he should bring the conversation to you, you should also not assume that he's just bringing this up to be make a stink, you know what I mean? Like, you should assume I'm certain of it. That he he's good hearted about it Right. That he that he has done his due diligence, not that he's just trying.

Yeah. I I see that. Two problems. We are limited to his text, the text that he provided. And he did choose words. Now, I'm not I'm not disagreeing with you actually. But, like, that does, I think, bring up the prudent point on how you talk about things. Like, if I wanna talk about, I would like a different shift. If I certainly open with, hey. You may be discriminating against me. I'm not That's probably the wisest way to go about that conversation. I mean, there's only five in the office, so everybody knows what's happening. Right. I'm I'm wondering, did I read between the lines, or did he actually come out? I mean, he's he'd been there longer than everybody, or is he just an older or he or she I think he's just older person. Mhmm. What's that? He's just an older employee. So they could have all started the same day maybe. Sure. Obviously, again, why didn't they say surely, signed up with some type of agreement, but maybe the the manager or whatever came in later. That's quite possible. Or I don't know if that even matters. I just And are we sure that he didn't bring it already?

Like, that he didn't have the conversation or that he didn't, you know, put in a request to? Based off the fact that, like, the the statement he had made was, it seems like I'm not a part of their friend group Yeah. Because I'm twenty years older. That seems more like this is just his observations of Well, maybe yeah. Or it could be maybe a man like doesn't actually, like, hasn't actually done any real search or conversation. And that does happen. Oh, absolutely. Could just natural. Well, absolutely. There's there's there's naturally especially with small companies, there are people that, will have favoritism regardless. I mean, it's just part of being a part of a small company too. Yeah. I was just thinking it could be, like, a casual conversation and it says, hey, I'd like to work days and it and then it's just, oh, I'm my guard's down so I just laugh it off Right. And then everyone else is laughing and then that might be why it seems Mhmm. Part of the friend group. That's fair. Yeah. I stick with it. You so formalize it. Whatever whatever is going on, you're gonna need to formal if you're talking about a formal response, then you need to formalize the interaction of what you're responding to. Otherwise otherwise, you're you're bad at that point. I'd really like to get on shifts and I'd like it to be where where it's not decided versus the other doing forward. A? It's literally

polar opposites Right. And we start mixing it a little And here's the thing, it's not his place to dictate what other people do. No. Like, someone saying, like, that other other people are also on days is not necessarily his deal. He can say, I wish to work days Yeah. But, like, it's not his place to go and I want Steve to have to work through Right, exactly. I have to switch Not his place. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Just say what you want. This has to, like, everyone's gone through a work experience, it's happened to me multiple times, like, you just gotta say what it is that you're looking for and give people a chance to respond. Sometimes they'll do it the way you want, sometimes they won't. Right. But, like, I I'm not being fair to someone unless I've gone through at least some formal means of, like, oh, I hope they catch on that I don't like nights. It's not it just doesn't it can't work that way, guys. You just have to just say it out loud. K. Secular says, most modern human resources departments are bloated and ineffective. Wait. Five people. What's Interesting. Interesting, Mike. If you're choosing this as a career path, I suggest you turn around and become a mall Santa. Interesting. Could one do both? Could one be involved in both the formalized HR and also some kind of mall Santa? Excuse me. I'm I'm not finished. Oh, sorry.

I'm I'm asking a question to secular. I my bad. No. I you're obviously not just saying these words out loud. Secular also says, did you fill out did you fill out a form listing your availability as open or flexible? If so, modify it. If you truly feel you are being discriminated against because of your age, talk to your supervisor's boss about it. If they're unavailable, you could waste your time with human resources, but they are most likely going to ignore your concerns and continue to upper crust themselves. Wait. How much of that was what they really said? Almost 50%.

Was gonna say 50%. Upper crust this is. That's when we realized that that part was definitely a mic. I mean, it's I'm impressed. I ran out of gas. I thought I had The upper crust themselves. I thought I had something, but I didn't. It was sure the Greek What pawn did secular actually say, Mike? That was the gist of it. Do you have a form that says you're open or flexible? If you don't, if you have one, then change it. If not, talk to your equal opportunity employment committee. And I don't Oh, I wouldn't go straight to the EOC. I mean, just give people that that's what I'm saying. Like, give people a chance to handle it well. If they don't handle it well, then then take the next step. Absolutely. I'm with you. Yeah. Yeah. You shouldn't fill out a form, and then if it doesn't get fixed, you go straight to the EEOC. Like, maybe actually have a conversation with a manager, HR, anybody. Let's be humans about this, especially a a group of five people. Like, this is a very human conversation. Let's do that. If you can remember the name of every single person in your company, I feel like you could have a conversation with some of them. You know what, Ted? This ain't working out for you. It's like, man, I really wish I could fix this. If only 80% of the other company weren't 20 feet away. I only had access.

Man, they're they're faceless. They're nameless up there in corporation. Upper crusted it. They're over here. We have our forms and upper crusts. It's like, man. The upper crust. I'm a man. Alright. You wanna do one more? Yes. We'll do more. Okay. Here we go. Last one. You're alive from the path. I'm asking for advice about our daughters in law. We have two sons whose wives want to spend every holiday with their parents, period. No alternating holidays. Means my husband and I spend the holidays alone, then, quotes, get to have a get together at a date and time convenient for them. Mhmm. I know our sons are partly at fault because they're trying to keep peace in their lives. Any suggestions would be appreciated. One daughter-in-law used the excuse that her grandfather's 99 and may not be around forever. Yep. To which I replied that I'm 70, and none of us know how long we have. We raised our daughters to respect her in laws as well as us. It alternates holidays. Please help with this. No. No. I'm not gonna help. Uh-uh. Nope. Nope. You're wrong. You know, though, they they they they just

be be adults. I mean I mean, share. Just share. Alternate every other year, figure out a plan and do it. I mean, nobody's gonna get them all the time. They are being dorks. They are being dorks. They really are. Thanks, Dan. I mean Yeah. Hey, listen. You guys are being dorks. You're being dorks. I mean, just share. Go back and forth. Wait. So you two seem pretty adamantly on the the wrong thing. Are you saying they're wrong for wanting their holidays with you? Of course not. I think they're wrong and how for for, look at how she presented it. Right? Like Oh, absolutely. It's it's caddy and hurt. My my my son is trying to keep peace because there's a vile shrew on the other side of it. He's part they're partly at fault because they're trying to keep peace in their families. Oh, brother. He's a spineless turd who can't really do anything on his own because he doesn't like, makes his own decisions.

They make their own decisions as a couple. They will do what they wanna do. And so, like, here's the thing. It's it's just it's I it just sometimes it doesn't work out as you want it to, like, your two people used That's what it is. The the the man left you and became one flesh with somebody else, they will act independently as a couple as they see fit. Unless they're saying, I will never visit you or don't come at all during the holidays, like, stop fighting over the date. In fact, I know there's there's a there's a family I know that just got, like, a lot of there's a lot of, brothers and sisters, a lot of marriages, a lot of cousins, they're like, you know what? We're just gonna meet, like, the second week of January. Yep. I thought that's great. I heard that I heard that this week, and I thought, that's fantastic. Because, like, are we really tied to the calendar? Is that really the deal? Right. And so, look, maybe the guy is 99. I mean, you're gonna pull rank on a guy that's thirty years older than you because you might die soon? Again, that seems like a real unnecessary wedge. Just just take it humbly. Say, look, we'd love to see you whenever you guys can come by. If you can work it out to be here, we'd we'd love that. If not, our doors are open week before, week after, anything like that work, that'd fine. I think too, you could say something like, how about in August?

You say, hey, let's have this plan for Thanksgiving. Would you guys like to join us for this point? So you just try to get in a little bit earlier and Outschedule the ninety nine year olds. Yeah. Have a specific plan in mind so, you know, because I I think that, you know, I think it could make sense to that you wanna see your kids on the holidays sometime, you know, rather than at home by yourself. And you don't I don't think it's good But those are the only two options you think it's consider. Family dynamic to, like, to have that kind of resentment kind of brewing. But there shouldn't be that. Like, that's what I'm saying. Like, that that seems very immature to me. Like, it's it's not either my kids are in town or I'm a lonely spinster. Like, those are not the only two options available. It's really immature on both sides though. Well, I was gonna say though, but there is something about having the holiday, the day of the Catholic family.

Right. Like, I I don't think there's a problem with making it a deal where it's like, we're going to spend actual Christmas with family a this year and then actual Christmas with family b next year, and then we'll schedule, like, a thanks miss at the end of November or the beginning of December I just had thanks. Myself. Yeah. We do a thanks miss every year with my family because there's so many of us. Mhmm. And it's just easier to wrap it. Like, I I appreciate you right now. I'm a wait it out. Wrap it up all into one day, and it's like, hey. We're gonna do a couple birthdays, and then this is Christmas and thanks eat, and we're gonna do presents, or here's a $50 gift card. I won't see you that day. Go get yourself some nice whatever. Right. You know? And we all recognize we're all adults. We have families. There's, like, 12 grandkids, and most of us have kids. Mhmm. It's just like, We don't have time for this. We're just gonna do it. Our family stay. Right. I just think this person has kind of has a little bit of a victim mindset, which is like that this is just happening and I can't do anything, which I think, you know, is a sad place to be that they think that

that they're accommodating for this other family. And I think that that is not a good ground for, like, the relationship. So I just think maybe they just try something else. Like, try it, see if it will work out in their favor, see if they're they're willing to keep or, you know, they've just been pushed over. Well, I I don't know. I I guess one of my reactions is their ad their attitude probably isn't helping, to be honest. Right. Like, if this is how they've approached this, I don't know if this is making life really any easier for the people who are like, you obviously have to make decisions on where you're gonna and so, like, recognizing

that you cannot have you cannot have it every year, I would I would be gracious about it. Now I I I'm not disagreeing that there sounds like there's an imbalance here. And, really, what it comes down to is you just have two different groups of people who need to try their best to make some accommodations and say, look, I care about you. I care. I appreciate that you wanna see us in this point, we will work to try to do this, like, without putting on this is maybe this why Mike folded his arms but, like, there is a lot of un I think unnecessary stress that people have about trying to get to different families, like, I it's not worth the burn, man, like, I like, I I think that's overdone and this is that's why I'm the I'm I'm kinda reacting to, like, hey, is it on the day? Like, is it is it really the day? Like, is that the does it have to be the thing? Because, like, that's that's accepting everybody else is pouring into the day. If we poured everything into the twenty first and said that's when we're gonna do it as a family, it should be just as good because it's what you put into it as well as how you thought about it. And so there's I think there are ways to accommodate this. I think, be humble, be gracious, be thankful when you have their company, and I think I would if you react to them in that way and kinda show them what it looks like to do that,

maybe they'll respond in kind, and they will work their their best to otherwise meet up with you and and want to come visit you with them and accusing their wives of being harpies or whatever it is that your internal problem Mike? You want secular advice? Did you did you have any commentary? Yeah. Was that I'm sorry, Addy? Didn't catch You.

It's like, there's way more to whatever the story she's telling. I'm telling you right now, this woman is telling the shade of the story that she wants to tell. Right. Frankly, she's probably hard to get along with. Nobody wants to go over there. You know what I'm saying? Like, here's the thing. If you if you go about, we're talking blindly to a public masses, right? Which means it's gotta be different to my face. But, like, if you go about insinuating that my wife is the type of woman that you're describing her as, the odds of me bringing my family over to visit you are low. Like, I just I flat out will not tolerate that. Right? Like, you are a grown adult and you can and and, like, Ben's right. I left. You you leave your parents' house and you leave to another person and that's it. The two are one and, like, I I I will not tolerate, like, this old, you know, tale as old as time where you're gonna shrew about my wife. Well, like, I I I just I I cannot imagine I was gonna abide that. And so, like, if that is your approach to dealing with my new my family that we're starting and supporting, I mean yeah. Whatever. I come to your place at Christmas time, you get to 20. You know what saying? Like That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. So I I feel like it's it's pretty easy to say, you're right, when they play the victim fiddle and go, hey, you know, if if it's exactly as you say, then yes, this is not fair and things need to be adjusted. But, like, when you when you write in under your own precepts and defenses and leave out any part of the story that doesn't make you look glowing, then it's really hard to buy what you're saying. Like, it's it's just it cannot be that simple. It feels like a really one-sided approach which makes me think there's other stuff happening. I will say though, sometimes I feel like the

the harder to get along with family is the the squeaky wheel that gets the grease, you know. So maybe they are the easier to get along with, you know, that they're not they're they're easier to please and this other family is more volatile and so that's why they keep that that would be my think that would be first the opposite of what I said. I literally did just the Yes. That never even occurred to me to go to the family that's more cordialsome. Was more That's straight up. My like, yeah. That was kinda more my assumption. You probably have better boundaries than I do, and I'm more of a people pleaser. Right on. So there you go. Alright. You ready for Secular's advice? Yeah. Let's have it. Hey, yeah. I'm tearful man. Okay. Secular says

Secular says, modern HR departments are bloated. Sex secular says Mike, do we need to talk about what I care about? This this happens in many families. I wish I could wave a magic wand and turn your daughter in laws into less insensitive, more caring people. Oh, no. She are you making that up? No. No. But I cannot. Oh. Your sons are more than partly at fault for not insisting on fairness. Because they're not assertive, the most pragmatic oh, boy. The most pragmatic suggestion I can offer is that you make plans of your own for the holidays that don't include them, the nicest your budget allows. Oh, man. Yep. Fightful. Passive aggressive. Passive

aggressive. We're not coming to your Thanksgiving. Check out this one. Yeah. We got the rib roast instead of the turkey. Yeah. Your daughter in laws are a couple of hedgehogs and your boys are light in the loafers. What the heck? Your whole family's terrible, but you're great. Spend big money on yourself. Ting. Sounds like an episode of everybody loves Raymond. Wow. Oh, that's awesome. Yes. It does. It 100% does. Can we go back to the part about the modern HR department? I know. Is that right? No. That felt good. Boy, do you wanna get involved with something like that? Is that your thinking? I'm actually very interested in getting involved with something like that. It sounds great. Oh. Couldn't tell from my discrimination breakdown. Well, I didn't see that advice coming. That just that took a Right. That was surprisingly, like,

harsh and exactly passive aggressive for psychosocial. Right. I mean, I get, like, a soft left and I get, like, trying like, either basically, the the the variances in our, advice are who who's responsible for trying to smooth this thing out Right. And who has the more dominant role in smoothing something out? You can go down the middle, you can say, look, parents should put more effort into it, or the people should put more effort into it. But, like, that's that's where our variations is. This woman took a hard left off a cliff and and put Screw them all. Yeah. Go on vacation. Come on. Make your own for your nice Thanksgiving plans. Thelma and Louise off the side with your middle finger out. Yeah. That's exactly what it sounds like. That makes you doesn't address the problem that she raised in the first place. Correct. She wanted to wanted to hang out with her family. Still angry. Yeah. Yeah. You don't need them. Screw them. Yeah. Go get yourself a nice new fur coat and show it to them. Like, uh-huh. This is what I can afford. Yeah. Old furry visits me every Christmas. Alright. That's terrible. Hey, maybe you disagree with that. Maybe you feel like we've been overly overly harsh or, I mean, too too overly sensitive on on any of the matters. Use the complaint line. (515) 517-0085. By the way, Dan,

are you 778 blah blah blah blah? No. Did you I'm just throwing I mean, I'm just spitballing here. Someone had called the complaint line and said, the cool old guy with the beard is my favorite. Oh, wow. You're not old. That's the problem. Whoever you were, I I'm not actually old. I'm 28. So Maybe they yeah. That could be well, the camera sometimes ages you twenty ten years. Ten twenty years. Ah, gotcha. Okay. I'm just saying I don't it doesn't say Dan's name on it. I'm just I'm just I'm cycling through the people Wait. Wait. Just a text. Just a quick text. Just a quick check on my phone context here. Pastor Dan is under the digits 515 read it, Ben. What's what do have here? 778. 778.

Yeah. Phone number. 04 on the blank 92. There we go. See, that was once connected to a pharmaceutical company. And so illegitimate operation by myself. I'm not really sure what happened to it. There was some offshore accounts that went off. It was weird. Oh, well, explains it. I stand corrected. I apologize. Yeah. Yeah. They were they were upper crusting in your order. I'll be over for Christmas. I've heard that rumor about HR people. They're very upper crusty. Upper they're very upper crusty? Yeah. Oh, man. Alright. Let's It's unfortunate. Let's let's let's top this thing off on the best possible note. Alley. Settle

settle up on your on your instrumentation there. Man, why do you always gotta use some kind of weird explanation for grabbing the guitar? I go what should I say? Can't you just say, hey, we're gonna play a tune? You're like, giddy up with the horse. Grab the pogo grab the pogo stick. Throw the axe on your back. Grab your back backpack music slingshot. I don't remember doing that. Get your sixth string of Wiggity. I mean, you can't just say it regular. You always gotta say something completely ridiculous. I hate the music, Slingshot. Hey. Says the dude who came up with upper crusting. Yeah. Hold on. I'll do a second impersonation a bit. Hey. Hey. Let's hear the sweet vocal tones. Throw in a concerto. It'll be bad. Yeah. Don't got it. If it's not true, it's okay.

Full colon. You just say, hey, man. Ali's playing music today. Welcome. But no. You gotta get all weird and creepy about it. You you are the dude that introduces the band at the Smokey Downtown jazz club. Like, that's totally you. Yeah. I hope you brought your own, Brandy, because this music is sweet. Well, shoot. There go my next three taglines. I'm gonna have to get some new material. Okay. Have we given you enough time to grab your guitar by chance? Yeah. Settled up. Alright. See? Vindicated.

Alright. Playing music like a regular Joe. There. You like that? You're a big loser. You are not the father. Alright. Okay. Alright. Rounding up this rodeo.

Let's see. This so this one's gonna be on the the spring EP. There's two EPs next year. This one's gonna be on the spring one. Yeah. The first one. Yeah. Okay. Awesome. This is called Our God is Compassionate. Now, here's the thing. This is where I feel weird when I say, where did this song come from? Because I think to myself, I should know this. I believe God is compassionate. But is there is there a specific instance of which this came out of? I think it came out of seeing how not compassionate I am and how, like, the I'll talk this talks about, you know, that God is slow to anger but that I you know, it came out of seeing that I'm not. You know, kind of, being, like, how quick to anger I could be with my kids, you know, when they weren't sleeping well with nap time or if they were whatever. Just how quick I could be to snap at them. And, you know, just just reminding myself that God is not like that. I should not I should not be like that. Yeah. That God's not like that with me

and that if I meditate on that, then hopefully I can be more compassionate to them and to anybody else. Oh, man. Yeah. Yeah. Always a dark reminder, like, when I realized that God has treated me much better than I've treated absolutely anybody today. Yes. Alright. Sweet. So, we're gonna end the show with this. Again, it's Ali Crummy music at ali crummy music on Instagram. If just if you just search for Ali Crummy, I'm sure you can find any Facebook or YouTube action that you might be enthralled with. And, again, you can check out that I Have Peace video. Keep it, and you can stream it on wherever legit music is available. So Spotify and such and, and but but buy a copy. And then you can stream it all you want to, but I do want you to buy copy. People better. Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah. Gotta do it. Gotta do it. Alright. Alright. So let's let's take this out. Once again, this is Ali Crummey with Our God Is Compassionate. You're listening to Live From The Path. We chose rebellion to

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