Live From The Path · Season 2021, Episode 16
Be Faithful in the Means
Topics covered
- Show open — Opening banter and show business. ≈ 0:07
- Recovery ministry — The Sober Soldiers recovery ministry plug. ≈ 0:07
- Honesty about prayer struggles — Hosts admit their own weak prayer lives and discuss what stagnates prayer. ≈ 2:30
- Prayer lists and disciplines — Working through the 21-tips prayer article: praise, gratitude, habits. ≈ 8:32
- Awe and gratitude in prayer — Praising God for who he is, fresh evidence, and being 'rewowed.' ≈ 8:32
- Remembering God's faithfulness — The rocks-of-remembrance story and keeping track of God's acts. ≈ 19:42
- Evangelism — Praying for open doors and boldness; gospel vs scare tactics. ≈ 25:57
- Spiritual warfare posture — Critique of the 'put Satan in his place' framing and Satan's actual power. ≈ 33:22
- Joy and the imperative to rejoice — Is 'rejoice always' a command? Joy vs happiness in suffering. ≈ 33:22
- Continual prayer — Praying without ceasing; God needs no updates. ≈ 40:12
- Thanksgiving — Giving thanks in all circumstances. ≈ 40:12
- Speech and the tongue — Proverbs 12:18: does your speech bring healing? ≈ 40:12
- End times — Jerry Jenkins, Left Behind, and whether the end is near. ≈ 51:01
- Prayer humor — Clean jokes about prayer and the devil. ≈ 57:30
- Anxiety and relationships — Advice for engaging an anxious, silent future son-in-law. ≈ 1:00:58
- Roommate conflict — The thermostat wars: how to raise a household dispute. ≈ 1:05:34
- Energy use and frugality — Electricity costs, evaporative cooling, and power-company letters. ≈ 1:05:34
- Family — Family dynamics in advice and testimony. ≈ 1:00:58
- Show community — Complaint line, listener questions, reviews, and sign-off. ≈ 1:19:55
Segments
- Show open and Sober Soldiers plug 0:07–2:30
The show opens from the Pathway Studios in 'Johnston proper.' A host reports that three invited guests all said no, so nobody is in the studio. He then plugs Sober Soldiers (SoberSoldiersWithAZ.com), a recovery ministry he follows on Facebook, praising them for consistently pointing people to Jesus and saying he'd like to have them back on the show.
- Honest prayer-life check-in 2:30–8:32
The hosts lay out the evening's material: an article titled '21 things to pray for' / 'Tips for a better prayer life.' Before reading it, each host answers how his own prayer life is going. None claims to be doing well: one describes being 'in a funk,' another feels he is only scratching the surface with eight key words and spends no time in silence or listening, and a third says praying well removes the feeling of being a stranger before God. Dan is addressed by name during the roundtable, and Ben is asked directly how he is doing.
- Digging into the 21 tips: praise, awe, and the prayer cube 8:32–19:42
The hosts play family-feud guesses for what is on the list (seclusion; a consistent time; praying the Scripture). On tip #1 ('praise God for who he is'), a host admits he runs out of words beyond 'God, you're really neat,' and they discuss whether the relationship with God should feel like any long friendship where obvious things stop being said. A host asks whether God gives fresh evidence every day to be in awe of. A camera-angle joke has a host looking like a centaur. A Joel Osteen prayer cube tangent (seen at Amazon) becomes a bit about a 'Live from the Path prayer cube.' On repetition in prayer, they note Revelation's elders saying 'holy, holy, holy' day and night and reframe the longing as being 'rewowed' by God's presence. A host describes praying in the shower and the danger of following a pattern without being in it; patterns and liturgy are fine if engaged, 'let's not read Psalm 23, let's pray Psalm 23.'
- Continuing the list and the rocks of remembrance 19:42–26:32
The hosts walk through more of the 21 tips: thank God for what he has done, remember God's love and grace, and the value of recalling times God showed up. A host tells the story of a woman who came to his youth group with two boxes of rocks, each marked with a phrase retelling something God did; he and his family now write on rocks to keep a physical record of God's faithfulness. The remaining tips are rattled off quickly: love your neighbors, talk to God about someone in need, pray for someone who doesn't know Jesus, love your enemies, give time/money/energy, pray for church, city and nation, leaders, kindness, humility, teachability, forgiveness, obedience, a renewed mind, purity, responsibility, courage, hope.
- What's missing from the list 25:57–33:21
Asked how to approach the list and what might be missing, a host suggests praying directly for God to rejuvenate one's prayer life instead of working around it, likening it to telling a spouse something isn't connecting. They note stagnation can also come from sin blocking the way, not just a lack of material. Dan recalls a college missions class: pray for open doors to share the gospel, plus boldness and clarity. They urge listeners not to evaluate their whole relationship with Jesus by their prayer life: a weak conversation pattern doesn't mean the relationship is bad, only that something good is being missed.
- 'Put Satan in his place in three easy steps' and the triple threat 33:22–35:54
A related Christian Post article promises 'how to put Satan in his place in three easy steps,' built on the basketball 'triple threat' (Adrian Dantley: dribble, shoot, or pass): 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18, 'be joyful, pray, give.' The hosts read the passage aloud on air, noting the surrounding verses about not repaying evil for evil and staying away from every kind of evil. They call the headline an article-click problem: it is really just 'read Paul and do what it says,' and mock the author's wild hair and semicolon abuse.
- Threat one: be joyful 35:54–40:12
Walking through the article's first threat, the hosts debate whether 'rejoice always' is a Greek imperative. Using Logos and Blue Letter Bible, they confirm it is (present active imperative, second person plural). They push back on a simplistic internal-joy/external-happiness split and warn against weaponizing the verse ('your kid just got in a motorcycle accident, you should be joyful right now'), landing on continually taking in the world through the reminder of who one is in Christ, while weeping with those who weep.
- Threats two and three: pray continually, give thanks 40:12–44:36
On 'pray continually,' a host endorses the article's line that 'God does not need updates'; one man's wife starts prayer with 'good morning, Jesus' and doesn't say amen until bedtime. On 'give thanks,' a locker-room tangent argues against the author's claim that locker rooms bring out the worst in everyone; the YMCA at 6:30 a.m. is mostly weather talk and corn prices, though Dan grants high-school locker rooms were a den of iniquity. A host applies Proverbs 12:18 and runs a quick Secular-or-Solomon style question: 'When you speak, do you bring healing? Is Satan threatened by the way you talk?'
- Posture critique: 'yes today, Jesus' 44:36–51:00
The hosts argue the article's posture is wrong: they would rather 'posture obedience and faithfulness' than take stabs at an opponent Jesus doesn't give much time to. 'Not today, Satan' is traded for 'yes today, Jesus.' They reason Satan is only recorded battling one-on-one with Jesus himself (plus the fall of the first humans and the Job scene), so a Christian feeling singled out is lending too much power to the defeated opponent; everything should funnel up to God. The article's closing FCA cliche ('when their feet hit the floor, Satan shudders') is answered with: that shudder happened once, when the stone moved.
- Jerry Jenkins, Left Behind, and end-times talk 51:01–57:30
The hosts read an article about Left Behind co-author Jerry Jenkins, who believes the world is close to the end and has written a new novel titled after his son's TV series The Chosen. They ridicule his 'theology' that God might cave under the weight of a sinful world, argue America is not the bellwether of the end times (people were once punished by being thrown in a pond with starved cats), and note the gospel is on fire in China, Africa, and the Middle East. They agree no more prophecy needs fulfilling before the end ('it's just been true for 2,000 years') and that the gospel starts with good news, not scare tactics: 'go out and spread the gospel, not go out and scare people to death.' The segment closes with the joke that Jenkins is cashing in on his son's show title.
- Two prayer jokes and the word 'devil' 57:30–1:00:58
A host tells two clean prayer jokes: Johnny, who quits praying for a baby brother just before his mother delivers twins ('aren't you glad I quit when I did?'), and the praying Christian lady whose atheist neighbor buys her groceries, then hears her praise God that he 'made the devil pay for them.' Mid-jokes, a host asks where the word 'devil' comes from; they land on diabolos in 1 Peter 5 and Ephesians 4:27 as meaning slanderer/accuser, not a proper name.
- Dear LFTP: the stepdaughter's anxious fiance 1:00:58–1:05:34
A listener writes that her stepdaughter is engaged to a young man who, apparently from anxiety, barely speaks at family gatherings and skips events. The hosts advise starting small: one-on-one time like watching a football game or a movie, meeting him at his level rather than throwing him into big family events; anxiety is not cured by being loved harder. The Secular answer is read (suggesting a serious talk with the stepdaughter and flagging the behavior as a possible red flag); the hosts push back that risking the marriage over awkward family gatherings is unfair, while conceding that if he can't manage even one-on-one conversation, stress is coming. Dan's suggestion to 'take his turf' is credited by name.
- Dear LFTP: the thermostat wars 1:05:34–1:19:55
A roommate wants the house at 77-78 while the roommates crank it to 72-73 ('you could hang meat in here'), and asks how to raise it without sounding controlling. The hosts side with the roommates: 72 is the widely accepted comfort setting, appliances work harder in heat, and '78 is ridiculous… old folks' home temperature.' The verdict: get a lockbox for the thermostat, or put on a sweater. The discussion spirals into energy-company 'nasty grams,' evaporative cooling (hosing down the house), swamp coolers, Ben's two wells, and an 'Independence Day' no-peace impression bit. The Secular answer is read ('stop pussyfooting around, have an adult discussion'; 'it's you, 78 degree man'), and a host closes with his own car-climate-control wars story with his windows-down wife.
- Outro: complaint line, power bills, and iTunes 1:19:55–1:25:37
The outro runs the Bob Eisenlauer complaint line (515-517-0085; the transcript renders it 'Eisenhower') and asks listeners to call in with what temperature they keep their house. Each host answers (one keeps 74 in summer, 72 at night; Dan holds at 72; Nathaniel keeps 69). The power company's 'you use 80% more electricity' letters get mocked ('you've encouraged me the other direction'). They invite prayer requests on the prayer topic, note the 21-tips article came from the Christian Post, and celebrate that the show finally appeared on iTunes with listener reviews, asking for ratings. Sign-off: 'be faithful in the means; God will handle the ends.'
Bible references
- Revelation 4:8
the picture we get in Revelation… the elders standing around saying the same thing all the time… holy, holy, holy… day and night
- Lamentations 3:22-23
where it says like his mercies are new every morning
- 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18
Rejoice. As always, pray without ceasing, give thanks in all circumstances, for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.
- 1 Thessalonians 5:15
See that no one repays anyone evil for evil, but always seek to do good to one another and to everyone.
- 1 Thessalonians 5:22
stay away from every kind of evil
- Ephesians 4:29
we need to use our words to build up others, bringing praise
- Proverbs 12:18
reckless words pierce like a sword, but the tongue of the wise brings healing
- 1 Peter 5:8
Your enemy, the devil
- Ephesians 4:27
give no opportunity to the devil
- 2 Peter 3:8
to God, 1,000 years is as a day and a day is as 1,000 years
Key questions
- Does God give you enough fresh evidence every day to be in awe of who you are speaking with? (host-framed)
- Should we pray directly for God to rejuvenate our prayer life? (host-framed)
- Is 'rejoice always' (1 Thessalonians 5:16) a command in the Greek? (host-framed)
- Where does the word 'devil' come from, and is it in the Bible? (host-framed)
- How do I connect with my stepdaughter's silent, anxious fiance? (dear-lftp)
- How do I talk to my roommate about the thermostat without coming off as controlling? (dear-lftp)
People
- Ben
- Mike
- Dan
- Nathaniel
- Bob Eisenlauer
- Jerry Jenkins
- Tim LaHaye
- Adrian Dantley
- Joel Osteen
- Philip Ramsey
- Sarfraz
- Kevin Carson
Full transcript
Live from the Pathway Studios in Johnston proper, you are live from the Path. And you're listening to Live from the Path, coming from you from the Pathway Studios in Johnston proper. We've got a lot of stuff to do on the show tonight. We've got to cut to the quickness thing. So we've got a number of articles to get through. What? Hey, I mean business. We're going to do this show correctly. Stop your caterwauling. This ain't no orangutan ball. No, continue on. I'm excited for whatever the day. Hey, I'll tell you what, though. I invited like three people on as guests to the show tonight. Hey. They all said no. Nobody's here. Nobody made it in.
Yeah. I don't know. I've got to inject new life into our guest people. Although here's the thing. It's like I think I'd really like to. We really want to have sober soldiers back in here. Yeah. Those dudes are completely legit. I shouldn't say all dudes. Dudes and ladies. They're completely legit to what they said they were going to do. So like they let us sign up to be part of their Facebook group. And I tell you, these dudes and ladies are constantly encouraging and pointing people to Jesus. And they're legit. They're doing exactly what they said they were going to do. And so I think, when did we have them on? Like a month or two ago?
Yeah. So I think that was one of the shows where we had like some kind of weird technical thing like an hour in or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And some of it got cut. But I'd really like to have them back in. And if you get a chance, is the website out yet? Did I see that? Their website's out, yeah. Okay. Is it SoberSoldiersWithAZ.com? Yep. Okay. SoberSoldiersWithAZ.com. And really how I connect with them is through Facebook. If you search them, it's Sober, as it is colloquially spelled, and Soldiers, as it is modernly spelled, with a Z at the end, on Facebook. And they're very good in recovery ministry and helping people who have been struggling
and seeing their life in only one direction. They're very good at taking that direction and giving them support and encouragement back to Jesus as the only way out of this deal. So if you get a chance to check those guys out, please do. Yeah. Totally agree. All right. Here's what we're going on on the show tonight. Article. Sparta. 21 things to pray for, full colon. Tips for a better prayer life. Oh, boy. Okay. Hold on. I should ask. Does anybody feel like they're doing real good about this right now? No.
I'm decent. I mean, that's a hard. Who could ever say, yeah, yeah, I'm good. I'm solid. I mean, there's always more. Dan's walking the line of humility, but boldness. I don't know. I feel like when I'm doing this well, and not like the act of doing it well or like I chose a place or serene or whatever. I kept a prayer journal, stuff like that. But like when I focus my time to talk to God, when I'm doing this well, I don't feel like we're, like it's awkward or like I'm a stranger here, you know? When I'm not doing it well, I go through rhythms that I always used to have or that I always carry with me. And for some reason, it just feels like I have a really hard time focusing on God, right? And getting my mind clear. And maybe some of these tips will help. But like I have a couple things that I used to do that really used to help me focus on
who I'm talking to, the weight of the deity that I'm dealing with and everything that God has done for me. And if I'm speaking honestly right now, I'm kind of in a funk on that. I feel like I'm not connecting very well. And some of that is certainly on my end. So anyway, Ben, how do you feel like you're doing here? Yeah, not super great. So I feel like I'm getting in a bit of a rut about it, to be honest. Like I've got a key eight words or so that will pop up. And so I'm just scratching surface. And I think it's just frankly, I'm not spending any particular time in silence or listening or basically that breaks through that initial, here's the stuff that just easily rolls off my tongue to get kind of beyond that and start getting into some of those, the deeper, the less than surfacy things. And so some of it's a time allocation issue, although I feel like one of the risks that we run is that we make dedicated time on the peripherals of the day as if they are implicitly the holiest way to go about something, as opposed to can we find ways to that things are more integrated in our lives as a whole?
Like, can I get to a place where I can pray deeper, but also more consistently throughout the day, as opposed to saying, oh, look, if I don't get my hour, then it wasn't, then my relationship with God isn't good. Right. Like, I think, so I, that's where, that's actually been kind of on my heart, both for me and I think specifically for the guys in our church, something I've been thinking about and trying to pray through. And, but so that's where I'm at too. And maybe it's just a personal struggle that then lands on everybody else. Who knows? But that's, that's, that's, I think where I'm at. I just went away. I'm supposed to right now be on a plane, like returning home from overseas. We were going to do revivals and stuff. It didn't happen because of COVID. So I figured I had this two week period blocked off. Maybe I told you this last week. I can't remember.
So, so the first week I took two and a half days, two nights and just left town. I got a hotel and just prayed. And it was really cool. So it was like, I mean, it was like, I left the place one, three times, I think the whole time. Yeah. And the lights were off and it was just dark and I was just reading and, you know, Bible on my iPad and praying. And it was pretty phenomenal actually. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it was kind of cool. Do you find that? So, so Dan, you, your pathway where you're the pastor, because semi like regularly do like 24, seven prayer rooms, did that feel different to you in this instance in some way or another? It did. It did.
Cause I had some specific things. I was really going in with kind of an agenda and got to kind of flip it upside down and said, yeah, I have a different agenda. And it took me the full two days to, to admit it and, and grasp it and really hear it. Um, and then I wrote down a bunch of notes and came home and been acting on it. So, yeah, um, it's been, uh, yeah, pretty, pretty, pretty actually phenomenal. Yeah. Yeah. I'd like, Nathaniel, have you done that? Have you feel like you've had a time, um, or, or times where like you've gone and done intentional prayer over kind of an extended period of time, either after something specific or just kind of made that commitment in general? No, not really. No. Do you, uh, as it's something you've considered? No, not really. No. I'm going to be honest with you guys.
No. Because Jesus never, you know, left the crowds to pray or anything. Yeah. My, uh, my prayers, I would say are subpar at best. Yeah. Subpar. Yeah. By a lot. You know what I, you know what I find frustrating? And this is actually what's happening in this time period of life for me is I'm watching God do like really cool things. And I feel like I'm not part of it because I'm not, I'm not, you know what I'm saying? I'm not spending time talking to him and like, he's, he's doing amazing things around me. And I'm like, I just don't, I feel like a stubborn Israel in the middle of this thing, right? Like I'm watching you do great things. And then I'm over there going, I mean, I believe it.
And I know you're rocking this thing and I, and I, nothing has changed. I just, uh, I can't be bothered to talk with you. I just can't be bothered. You know, I'm like, eh, eh. And like, it's not like, you know, your face gone or anything. I just, I got no, I got no fervor for it. And there's been times when I've had some fervor for it and it was the best. It was the best. I absolutely loved it. And so like, I don't, now, you know, like we've talked about this before is I can look, I used to just look at Israel and go, you daft fools. I just don't understand how this could keep happening to you, you know? And then now I look at you daft Mike. I, I, I don't understand how this could keep happening to you. So anyway, whatever this man has come up with in 21 steps is obviously going to rectify whatever's going on here, Ben. Yeah. It's going to fix it.
Okay. All right. All right. Hold on. Let's, let's, let's dig on the article. Well, any guesses? There's 21 things in here. One guess apiece. What do you think is on the list? 21 tips for a better prayer life. Yeah. Michael, like what, name one thing for the family feud, what you think is on the list? Seclusion. Give me seclusion. Yeah. Okay. Survey says, Dan, a consistent time. Okay.
Consistent time. Nathaniel. Praying the scripture. Ooh. Speak the words of the Lord back to the Lord. Yeah. Okay. All right. Here we go. Do you ever find a blah, blah, blah? Okay. I don't care about the setup. Here we go. If you're in a hurry, just use this list to jump to a specific prayer idea. Number one, praise God for who he is. Oh. Yeah. Okay.
I misunderstood the premise of the article. I could be reading some Psalms. Yeah. I thought it was going to be like a how-to, but more it's like, you're going to pray. Here's ways to kind of get you guided in the right direction. Yeah. This is talking about, hey, prayer can feel stale or dry. It's talking, but prayer is talking with someone who loves you deeply, knows you intimately, so it might be hard to admit or deal with when the conversation has seemed to dry up. But everyone goes through these times. Each item on the list comes with a verse from the Bible to shape your thinking. Okay. I find my prayers that when I do that, I mean, I've tried to do that before, and it's like I'm using the same words. It's like, how many ways to describe, cool clouds, God, you're really neat. I mean, I try to be like, oh, yeah, and it's like, I don't have the words, I don't have David's silver tongue. I'm like, your ways are majestic.
Does it feel weird? Because the longer you know somebody, the less you talk about very obvious things. Yeah. And so, like, it feels like our relationship with Yahweh should be different, and I don't know in what way, though. Like, I know it should be different, but, like, it feels pandering to repeat the same thankfulness, even though it's still true. Yeah. Right? Like, it'd be like you have a very generous grandpa, and like, hey, sorry, Mike. Yeah, go ahead. Look at this camera angle that we have of you right now. Yeah. It makes me think that you're like a centaur. Like, is that the one with the horse body? Doesn't it look like it? Yeah, it does. It does.
What's something a centaur would say? I don't know, centaure knees. Give me, uh… They approach us, sire! Yeah, they approach us. Do you have any apples? Does that do it? I'm going to put the triangles away, but still. Yeah. Okay, sorry. Sorry. I didn't want to… Can I fix it? I don't want to continue to look like a centaur. No, this one's a little bit better. This one doesn't show cut off at the waist like you could be a centaur, but we don't want to admit it. So, we were talking about our relationship with Yahweh being different in the way that
we talk to Him, opposed to like our buddy. You know, but like I won't continue to thank my generous grandpa for the firetruck he gave me when he was eight, when I was eight, for like the next 20 years. Grandpa, you're always very generous. Remember when you gave me that firetruck? You know what I'm saying? And so like, it does, and maybe that's a personality thing, like with just me or dudes or whatever, or maybe it's a relationship with God thing, but like, let me ask you this, and this will probably be to my shame. Does God give you enough evidence every day for you to be in awe of who you're speaking with? You mean like fresh evidence? Yeah. Like you mentioned the sky yesterday. Right. And so, well, maybe if you're looking for it. Or is that an oversell? Like we're looking for inspiration in the smallest of things, and sometimes like the life is life,
and there's responsibilities, and you get drugged down, and you just don't have a whole lot new as in brand new, but new as in it continued. Like when you think about where it says like his mercies are new every morning, if I were to think back in the previous day in the ways of which I have been shown mercy, that was fresh, even if the thing was repeated from the day before, or something like that. And so I think, but like brand new, like bold ideas that I'd never considered that he is either creator or merciful or orchestrator, no, I don't know that that's my experience. Do you think that maybe some people fall short of their prayer life merely because they're not a poet? They don't talk like that. And so like, you know, sometimes you listen to someone else pray, and you're like, man, I wish I had the conviction of that guy, or the heart of that lady, and like the constant focus or whatever, and then like you go to pray something similar, and you're like, I thank you for the, that I'm working, I appreciate my job, you know, or like, I thank you for the kids I got. And like, there's no poem to it at all, you're just a plain Jane doofus, you know, and like, and maybe you're creating a feeling in there that doesn't actually exist, right? You're not going to be the David of the conversation, you know?
I feel that away a lot when I'm praying with my wife. I feel like she's always got good things to say, and a lot of stuff to think about and pray about, and says it pretty eloquently, and then it comes my turn to pray, and I'm like… I like donuts. God, thank you for the donuts. Thank you for this woman you gave me. She prays the garden, you pray the back of the cereal box. Yeah. It's like, I agree with everything she just said. Yeah. Well, I find that my wife even takes in, like, she's the type of person that will wake up and look at the sunset, and like, that connects her with God. Like, that means something to her. It reminds her of Creator God and majesty and things that are bigger than her, and it provides her comfort. And like, I walk out the door and go, man, it's bright out. Yeah.
Like, I just don't… Wish I brought my sunglasses. Where's those sunglasses I stole from Mike? Yeah. I'm not in awe. I just like… And I think it's just a dude's way of looking at it. Like, you just don't… I don't take stock of like, yeah, it was there yesterday. He set it up. I trust it. It's good. We're good. Can we move on from the sunset? I think I use the phrase in my prayer, I don't know, God. You know the deal. Like, way more often than I should. Because I feel like I don't have to…
I mean, we've got to rehash this. You were there. I was there. I don't know. You know, I could retell it as if you weren't there, but it seems pointless. We both know you were. Well, because I think when I get into something like that, it does feel like it's just me trying to see whether I can come up with a clever way of saying something. Like, if I have to explain a situation that I was in, or that obviously I'm aware that God saw, and isn't a particular burden on my heart, then I do feel like I'm performing a bit. And so I don't like it. And so I tend not to shy away from that kind of thing. Okay. Go back to the list. Sorry. Okay. Let me go back.
What was that prayer… Weren't we going to buy a prayer cube from Joel Osteen that would do this for us? I don't know how much I should share. I work at Amazon, and I saw some guy stowing those. He had a whole bin of them. Oh, really? A whole bin of prayer cubes? The Joel Osteen prayer cubes? Yeah. He was putting them away. So you're saying we could order one right now and probably have it tomorrow. Probably. Maybe next three hours. They got the vans rolling. Okay. This goes back to what we talked about that day. We should do the live from the path prayer cube. Obviously, there's a market for it.
It was consistently more negative in nature. Yeah. Yeah. More a precatory. Yeah, definitely. Like, hey, did you not admit to being in awe of the sunlight? Yeah. Repent. You're a dolt. Hey, can we come back to repeating the same things all the time? Yeah, yeah. I was thinking about this. So, like, the picture we get in Revelation, though, is, like, you know, the elders standing around saying the same thing all the time. Yeah. So, like, should we think about it a little bit differently? Because, like, if God doesn't get tired of holy, holy, holy, and the elders don't get tired of holy, holy, holy, should we get tired of holy, holy, holy?
I don't know. I don't know. Do we know they do it all the time? Or that would just happen to be the time John, like, oh, they're singing holy, holy, holy. They came during holy, holy, holy time. Maybe they do. Maybe they do. It turns out it's hours. As soon as John leaves, they take off the robes and go back home. And we're just assuming that's all there is. Maybe I'm misremembering, but I thought it said specifically day and night. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. No, no. I think it does. I think it gives. It's certainly intended to give you the impression that, like, this is happening and it is worthy of, like, God is worthy for it to be happening all the time, that he
can live in a chorus of this. Yeah, right. So can you imagine your life being rewowed by God's presence on the regular? Not did not. You just got done going, holy, holy, holy. And we're going to take a breath or a breath or whatever. And you look up and go, holy, holy. Like, again, you are rewowed by the whole thing. Right. That is our future relationship with the king of the universe. Right. I guess that's the thing is that, like, if you are constantly like if it's if it's if it's real, if it's not something it's not rote necessarily, but like you're like hot bread sticks, man. I'm going to say this thing again because I believe it and I feel it again. That feels differently than something that feels like you're just saying the things like I will pray. I find that I pray in the shower a lot, oftentimes, like especially Sunday mornings, I'm praying
for church that day. Like, you know, you know what I've read. You know what I'm thinking. Change it now where it needs to change this kind of stuff. And frankly, I walk out of the generally get out of the shower with a much better sense of what I was going to teach in an hour or two than I did before I got in there. Um, but like if I'm not careful because I pray most of the time, like when I get in the shower, um, it starts to just, uh, like it does. It follows a pattern and I'm not in it. I'm not paying attention. I'm just talking at God. I think you could use the exact same words engaged and it's fine. Like it's really because when it becomes, uh, I, and you know, I don't like we've talked about this before. I don't mind patterns and rhythms and, and, and, and repeating things. I don't mind notions of liturgy, but as long as you're engaged in it, as long as it isn't just you just reading words, like let's not read Psalm 23, let's pray Psalm 23. Don't just read and, and see if you can remember the Lord's prayer.
Like if you want to pray that same prayer three times a day, like a good Jewish boy, I'm in Jesus would have, but like he's probably engaged in it as opposed to just saying it. And so like, I think that actually is where the, the rubber hits, meets the road there. I feel like I'm going to add that to my prayers of Lord, help me to be rewowed by you today. That's legit. Yeah, that's legit. Okay. Go back to that man's list. Okay. If he has rewowed on there, I'll slap a wet noodle. I don't want to encourage that. That's a phrase. People use it all the time. Just to make sure I'm prepared for this. Did anybody bring a wet noodle? No, you got to make it. That's why it's a big deal. You got to buy it, make it, then get it out.
It seems like a real affair. Okay. Here we go. So praise God for who he is. Thank God for what he has done. Yeah. That's, that helps barometer your way back to, um, opposed to taking minor stock in the day. There are broad truths, uh, not only for his grace, mercy, and forgiveness of your sins, but like the fact that your, uh, you know, your, your family is here or, you know, you're a day of a job or you're supporting your, you know, you have a life to support yourself and you have community around you and all that kind of jazz. Yep. Yep. Agree. All right. Three, pray that you remember God's love and grace for you. Okay.
Give me good, give me good perspective. Uh, help me not. Actually, I think it's a big one for me just in general, not, and then maybe I'll broaden that out just a little bit of, of, of remembering of not living today as if the previous days in my walk with Jesus Christ didn't exist. Um, and, and remembering at times when I have been awed and wowed and encouraged and emboldened. I actually, I was listening to a past show trying to clean up, uh, we were talking before the show started, I'm trying to clean up some of the Nate titles of the shows. So like, it's just, doesn't just say the episode, like it may describe what's going on in there. So you could find it if you wanted to. Um, and so I had me listen back to one on the way here and we were talking about a time, like a week, uh, a number of months ago where I was feeling just a little bit discouraged as a pastor and like, I had a really, really good week. Like God, I felt like sent people to encourage me, like multiple people mentioned something that we had, that they had learned over the last number of months or within the book. And I remember I found those, uh, free Fox's book of martyrs on the trash day. Yeah.
And I felt like the Lord was for me that week. Um, and to be honest, had I not listened back to that show, like the thought of that particular week of where I needed encouragement and God sent some, I would have just forgotten. It would have been gone. And like, I just feel like we're, we're fickle like that. And so, um, remembering at times when it's, when it very, it seems very prescient that God is not with you, um, being reminded of the times when he was and like, boy, I tell you what, boys, this, this would be a thing. The, the, the way to be a solid friend is if I could, uh, let me, let me, I'll put it to go in the other direction. If at any given time, one of you guys could come to me and say, man, I'm feeling discouraged. Remind me of a time when God was with me. And I knew it and I knew it to share back with you. I knew all my friends stories, or at least some key ones that if you were to ask, I remembered, um, you talking about that and could share it back with you. And like that requires that you would have shared it to begin with, but like, boy, a community where you could look at anybody in your community, go feeling low. Can you remind me a time when God was with me?
And they have something that's not just pithy and it's not just shallow, but it's like, yeah, remember this time. And you're like, yes, thank you. So I had a, it was the, it was the best, uh, youth group that I'd ever had. And we, we'd invited like people from our church to come in and just tell their story, how they got to know Jesus, you know, up to from basically from birth up to this point, what their life looked like and, and how they got to know Jesus, you know? And I, I, I saved this gal for the ender cause she's always the ender. And so, um, I asked her to come in and she was, uh, and I said, uh, you know, I, I, you're the last one. So, so just know you can say whatever you want. I'm sure you're going to do great, you know? And she totes in two boxes of rocks and, uh, she sets them down on the counter and both, all the kids, there's like 20 kids there looking at her and she goes, pick one. And so every kid went in there, took a turn, picking out a rock and it would say a phrase on it. And, and then she would retell the story of what God did. And, and it was that day, um, that I was reminded that I don't keep very good track of all the
ways that God was faithful to me, um, was overly generous and blessing to my family and, uh, took care of me and watched me. And like, even some of those rocks, uh, uh, I mean, I know her personally, some of those rocks were kind of painful, uh, right. But she's like, they all tell God's story and they all say what, what God has done in our lives. And he showed up and like, there was a lot of rocks there, you know? And so like, uh, like that day, um, I talked to my wife and my kids and like, we started doing this intentionally. We started writing on rocks. I'm like, I, I, I love this. I don't know how else to keep track of this. My, my fickle mind will lose it. Yeah. And so like when God, even, even in, in small things, right. Even when we took, we got to take a vacation that we really needed and we're able to look, we'll, we'll pre we'll go back and do a rock. Cause like the week after was horrible, you know?
And, and we're like, well, I feel like, I feel like God gave us a rest before we walked into this. And that was very generous of him. We better get a rock. And now on vacation, we grab rocks in pre in anticipation that like, we're going to, we're going to write one when we get home because this is what God did. And so like, it's very cool after a while to have a physical representation in your house of all the things that I've got, God has done. So even when you're feeling low and disconnected, when you got 50 rocks on our table and you go, I'm not really disconnected here. I'm just not remembering. Yeah. You know, and so like, I, I, you know, I would encourage anybody to do that. It's, I know it seems kind of weird, but I'm telling you, it's a blessing in spades, not only to start keeping a little bit better track of, of the times that God literally showed up in your life to do something, but the, it keeps your, your gratefulness up, your generosity towards other people up and your overall disposition of God hasn't gone anywhere. He's consistently here.
See, I have these, you know? So anyway, I would really encourage that. It just reminded me, I should do that when I get home for the prayer stuff. So, yeah. So number four, pray that you would love your neighbors. Yep. Five, talk to God about someone in need. Six, pray for someone who does not yet know Jesus. Yeah. Seven, pray that you would love your enemies. Boy, these are heavy ones. Eight, pray that you would give your time, money, and energy. Nine, pray for your church or Christian community. Hold on, we're going to keep moving through. Pray for your city and nation. Pray for your civic and national leaders. Pray for kindness. Pray for humility.
Pray for teachability. Pray for the ability to forgive. Pray for obedience. Pray for your mind to be renewed. Pray for purity. Pray for responsibility. Pray for courage. Pray for hope. That could keep you busy. Yeah. So let's say someone's struggling right now and wanted to take a swing at this list. Would you recommend that they try to plow through all 21 at once? Take one a day and focus on it for a day? Yeah, I think that's helpful. Here's the only thing I would, well, so without thinking about this as a finger shake or a critique, is there anything missing from here that jumps to your mind right away? Because I had one. Let's start with yours, and then me and Nathaniel will follow up.
Okay. So, like, one of them, I think, is just, is praying for God to rejuvenate your prayer life. Like, praying for the direct thing. Like, this becomes, like, a bit of a list, a task list to say, oh, here's what I can do if I can't think of anything. But, like, at its core, to the extent that, like, nothing's running into you. Like, I'm having some of this issue. I feel like focusing prayer on, God, I'm asking for you and your spirit to rejuvenate my heart and my desire to pray for you. Because, like, I think you can have it look better. You can have it look and feel better this way. But, like, I also not, and I think it's okay, but I just, I don't know if I want to dance around it with God either. Like, my direct problem right now is I'm not feeling super motivated. I'm not particularly engaged. I'm not very committed or passionate about this aspect of my relationship with God. And of all the ways to fix that, I feel like being honest with him about it is probably my first start. And so, again, it's just slightly different than what the list was after. And so, again, don't take it as a critique on the list necessarily, but, like, that was one of them that jumped out at me. Kind of a I believe, help me believe. That's right.
That's right. That's right. I know it's even, it's kind of like a conversation you might have with your spouse on just saying, hey, man, like, something doesn't feel right here. And it seems to be, maybe it's expressing itself in we're arguing about small things and we're doing, we're nitpicking at each other or we're not talking to each other in the way that we always do. And so let's just ignore all that for right now and just say, like, something feels like it's not connecting right now. What do you think? Like, or can you help me? I don't know why I'm feeling this way. Now, with God, obviously, relationship is different, but, like, I mean, just go for the thing. Maybe just start for the thing as opposed to what some just slightly can feel like, hey, I can't think of anything. How do I, how do I think of stuff? Just in case there's something else that, like, you need to pray on and then listen for a minute and you find that your stuff is just blocking you. And there could be sin that blocks you, to be honest. Like, it's not just our prayer lives don't stagnate just because we can't think of anything. Like, in fact, just listening to this list, if you think to yourself, like, how could I possibly act like there's nothing to pray for? Like, what level of arrogance goes, you know what, I'm pretty good here. Or, uh, I don't know, I can't think of, I'm good, my whole family's good, the world's doing cranking around all right. Nothing to be thankful for particularly, but nothing I really need.
Thanks, Jesus. Like, it's not, you know that's not the case if you took any time looking at the world. And so I just, I wonder if there's something else that might be causing things to be stagnant outside of I can't think of anything. Right, yeah, yeah, okay. I don't know, you guys think of anything else from the list that would jump out at you, or that might be missing? You talk about praying for, uh, uh, uh, uh, other Christians who are maybe suffering right now? Did I miss that one? Uh, no, uh, well, he said pray for your church or Christian community, but I think what you're talking about is a little bit different. So, yeah, that's a good one. Yeah. Yeah. And I like that, uh, specifically because I think it, it, it reorients you to, like, if, that time you're saying, hey, I can't think of anything to pray for. When I start praying for, uh, our friend Sarfraz in, in, in Pakistan, like, he's up against all kinds of things. He's, like, money shortages is a deal. A hot, not being able to provide water coolers to people or the, the families that work at the brickyard is a deal for him. And, like, I've got a whole set of things I could be praying for Sarfraz about, and it starts to, it removes me from looking at the world only through my own guys going, well, boy, I just, I wish I could come up with something.
Right. To talk to the Lord of the universe about. Okay. Dan? You know, I, I always think back to, to college. This is probably the first time I really heard this, and I, it was in, in a missions, I think, class, but, but he brought up the scripture that, like, the Apostle Paul said to pray for us to have open doors, uh, to share the Gospels. That, that often is a theme I'll think about if, um, can't think of something to pray about, pray for open doors, but also for boldness and to speak clearly the Gospel. Yep. So those are, like, all, all, all that, all that has to line up together. Uh, if you have an open door and don't speak, well, what good was it? And if you speak, but there was no open door, well, what good was that? So kind of those three thing together. Yeah. Things together. Yep. Okay. All right.
21 things. Hey, if you're, if you're, um, if you're struggling with this a little bit, like with your, with your prayer life, and I don't know, again, there's just dudes in the room. So, like, our experience tends to be filtered through dude-type problems. Um, but, um, you know, I, one, you're, you're, you're not alone, and I'm, like, I'm, don't, I, be careful on evaluating your prayer life as saying, how is my salvific relationship with the Lord Jesus? Or, like, do I not trust Him and I'm, it's just being reflected in my prayer life? Like, sometimes how we handle relationships doesn't necessarily reflect how we feel about those relationships. Like, I, I think you've been there, I think every dude at some point or other has been, uh, on the other side of an accusation of not being, um, super talkative with his wife, or as open as he could be, or, um, or that kind of thing, or, or, you know, excited about longer conversations. And so, um, you know what I'm saying? So, um, just be careful to not over-crank on that. Um, it, it doesn't mean that things are, um, uh, that you're not going to be able to do that. Your relationship with Jesus isn't bad. It just means it can be better. Yeah, you're missing out. Yeah. Is what's happening. You're not, it's, you're not in the negative here. You're just missing out on the positive. Right.
And there's no reason to. Um, and, and, and then some of that causes you to have to release, like, release some of your dude hesitances and be part of, um, more open, uh, oh, shoot, I didn't want to say open relationship. That sounds bad. I mean, more, uh, uh, transparent? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Transparent relationship with God, um, and, and allowing the surfaces to be scratched a little deeper, um, you know, and finding some way to articulate it. So anyway, whatever. Well, we can be praying for you with that. Just pray for us. I think we're working on it. Everybody in the room's got it. Dan's had a sweet experience lately. He's doing the best. Yeah. Uh, so, um, but obviously, like, I think there's, there's clear and tangible value in, um, in having this be something that you continue to mature in, in your faith. And so, um, if this is a good call and reminder to do that, then, uh, please take it as such.
Hmm. Okay. Uh, now similar, uh, suggested article. It related to this, this one on the Christian post is how to put Satan in his place in three easy steps. Ooh, three easy steps. Yeah. Finally. Oh boy. Okay. Uh, when I was 12 year old, aspiring basketball player, I heard NBA hall of famer, Adrian Dantley teach about basketball's triple threat. I learned that when you first received the ball, you were in a great position with three potential options, dribble, shoot, or pass. I wouldn't soon forget the power of the triple threat and it changed the way I played basketball. I am not a good preacher. Listen here. People who do this well can take any example and go, I'm ready. I'm going to teach you how to deal with Satan on dribble, shoot, or pass. Yeah. Yeah.
Let's see. As followers of Christ. Oh no, here we go. We can be a spiritual threat every day. This will change the way we live. Our opponent, Satan wants to defeat us and take us out. He doesn't want us to win and he is working overtime to make sure you and I are discouraged and overwhelmed. He wants us to believe the goal of life is to just survive, get through one more day. But in one Thessalonians five, 16, 18, Paul gives us a great spiritual triple threat. It is simply this. Be joyful, pray and give. Okay. First Thessalonians five, uh, 16 to 18. We should probably read that. Okay. Is it at the top? Of the article? Uh, yeah, here we go.
I'll just, uh, oh shoot. My internet doesn't work. You have to do it for me. Okay. Hold on. What was it again? First Thessalonians five, 16 to 18. I'm going to read. No, but I want my feedback right now when I'm trying to give a, I'm trying to look for the first Thessalonians. This is a compelling radio. I'm sorry. I can't, I can't help the way that it works. First Thessalonians five, 16 through 18. Yeah. Okay. Here we go. Rejoice.
As always, pray without ceasing, give thanks in all circumstances, for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you. Do not quench the spirit. Do not despise prophecies, but test everything. Hold fast. What is good? Is it, I mean, is there anything before or after that one that puts that in the context of this is how to defeat the opponent? Satan. Verse 15. This is how you defeat Satan. Oh, do I feel. Rejoice always. Pray without. No. 15 is, let's see. What are we even talking about? Final instructions and a benediction.
Oh. Yeah. You're just seedling it up. Just don't repay any evil for evil. That's right. See that no one repays anyone evil for evil, but always seek to do good to one another and to everyone. Rejoice always. Pray without ceasing. Give thanks in all circumstances. I think I'm going to be disappointed in the title of this article more than its contents. And then 22 says, stay away from every kind of evil. So there's, it's bookcase between evil. Yeah, right. Okay. Evil and evil. Yeah. Threat number one.
Go pass it. Triple threat. Put Satan on his heels. Number one, be joyful. Paul says to be joyful always, not sometimes. It would have been easier to live this out if he wrote be joyful, not be joyful always. Always seems impossible. Unnecessary semicolon. Sometimes it's more realistic. This is a flat, this is a normal place for a comma. Okay. This is a command that instructs us to be full joy all the time. It's like saying you will do life with joy in your heart all the time. You got it? I wonder, is it an imperative there in the Greek? I mean, is it a command or is it, I mean, it's like, yeah, it's joy is a fruit of the spirit. It's something you don't do.
It's something that happens. Right. That's something that we pray the Holy Spirit for. Yeah. I've tried to do joy on my own. It fails terribly. Like, I'm really going to be on top of the world. I'm going to be joyful. Joyful today. Yeah. Uh, uh, uh, uh, it goes, I mean, it's, how about I don't block joy? Yeah. Maybe that's it. Maybe that's what we look at. How about I don't stand in the way of joy? Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
I like where you're at, Dan. You know what? It's funny though. I like that it's, uh, like that's the whole verse. Yeah. Like the Thessalonians 5, 16, rejoice always. That's it. Uh, Dan, let's see. How, how can you tell, how can you tell whether it's the imperative? Uh, let's see if I can, I don't do enough Greek on my phone. Yeah. Is everybody else doing research here but me? Yeah. Oh, hello. Just for, just for people's benefit. Ver, present, active, imperative, second person, plural. Imperative then. Okay.
Dan, what, what app do you use to verify these kinds of things? Logos. He's in the Logos. Yeah. Ben, you use. Well, I'm using Blue Letter Bible. I'm also on Blue Letter Bible. Yeah. Okay. All right, so be joyful. Joy is more than happiness. It is at the core of our soul. Joy is internal and happiness is external. Happiness can come and go but joy is here to stay. It comes from knowing our identity in Christ. God gives us joy. I'm about done with this guy's semicolons. Do not let anyone or anything rob you of the joy that God has placed in you.
We should experience joy all the time. Succeeding or failing. Winning or losing. Now, now I hear this. I hear Paul saying this but like, this, this, the way that he's describing this, I feel sets people up to, to maybe misunderstand. Because like, at what point, hey, we should have joy all the time. Hey man, your kid just got in a motorcycle accident. You should be joyful right now. Like, I'm not sure that's what Paul is saying here. Right. Like, I feel like you can overturn this knob and misunderstand what the point is. I think he's talking, he's painting with the broad brush. And I think it does mean, it means that you should continually be reminded of who you are in Christ Jesus. And that should be a lens of which you take the world in and your circumstances. I think that's right.
And I think that is harder than, than give what we give it credit for. I just, I just want to be super careful that we're like, uh, joy is internal. Like, you have to willfully, will yourself to have some notion of joy, of how you think about joy, in the midst of what is obvious pain. Obvious weeping with those who weep. Like, I just, I, I, I just want to be careful that we don't over- Yeah, it's not saying put on a fake smile. That's right. That's right. Um, yeah, winning or losing, happy or sad, uh, yeah, I just, succeeding or failing. It's because we have a hard time distinguishing between happy and joy, right? Yeah. Yeah, and I'm not sure it's as easy or clean as we teach it either. Like, to say happiness is external, joy is internal. Like, again, I, I think, I think some of that's, it's a simplistic way of saying it. I think it's helpful to say, even if I don't feel happy, can I still take the world in through this, the reminder of who I am in Christ Jesus? Enjoy, be reminded of the bigger picture, which then changes why, uh, my lack of external
happiness. Yes, I think that's okay. And it, and it, it sniffs very close to right. I just, I think you can use it wrong. I guess maybe that's my hesitancy here. I think you can use it wrong. And if people misunderstand what it is to be joyful and confident in who you are and been thankful for what God has done, um, while being subject to human, um, very human circumstances, maybe that's it. Uh, threat number two, pray continually. Once again, Paul makes an extreme statement. If it is, if instructing us to pray was not hard enough, he had to attack on the extreme word continually. You might be saying to yourself, I pray just not all the time. Paul is saying that we should always be connected to our maker with constant access to the throne of glory. There should always be a prayer in our heart and on our lips. Many times we just pray when we need something.
A prayer principle that has radically changed my life is prayer is not telling God what he already knows, but God revealing to us what we do not know. Our goal is not to give God a report through prayer. Trust me. God does not need updates. What he wants for us is to dig deep and find out what is below the surface. Yeah. I'm with this wild haired man. No updates. Yeah. Mike, the anchor man needs to take a break. Yeah. Lord, I need to tell you about this thing that went down. So my wife does the thing where it's like, she starts a prayer out in the morning time and then she don't say amen until she goes to bed. So like, she just continually. I like that. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. So she doesn't like to do the five minute prayer or whatever at lunchtime and say amen. She just lets it float out and then goes about her day. So she says, good morning, Jesus in the morning. And then she says, amen. One time a day. That's it. I like amen. One time a day. I think that's great. Yeah. One time a day. Amen. Yeah. Uh, threat number three. None of these, like, this is what I said. I'd be disappointed.
I think he's just, this is an article click problem. You put how to put Satan in his place in three easy steps. And really what you're saying is, uh, please read the letter from Paul and do what it says. How to live out first Thessalonians. That's what, that's what we're talking about. It's his hair that grabs people in. If a dude with a short buzz haircut would have gave the same advice, you're like, I don't think so, dude. Yeah. But this man looks like he lives on the wild side, has a helicopter probably. Yeah. Yeah. I bet he does have two, maybe two helicopters. Why would a guy need two helicopters? That's what people said. But how do you know the Lord blessed him? Oh yeah. One helicopter is pretty standard.
You can get that on your own. Hey man, you can get that off the eBay. Two helicopters. That's a blessing from the Lord. Yeah, it is. That's a, that's a South wind. Threat number three, give thanks. In all three threats, Paul uses extreme commands. First, it was, it was always, then continually, and finally it is all. Just like in Ephesians 4, 29, we need to use our words to build up others, bringing praise. When we speak, we either speak life or death. Giving thanks means speaking life in every situation, full colon, in the locker room, classroom, home, on the phone, and even in text messaging. I like that the locker room brings out the worst to everybody. Yeah, like I had a locker room talk. Like as soon as people get in there, all of a sudden, all morality goes out the window, and it's nothing but profanity and nudes. Why is that?
I don't know. I guess, for fellows who go into locker, has that been your experience? No, I immediately try to keep to myself in all aspects of whatever's happening in there. Nathaniel, do you find locker rooms to be a den of iniquity? No. Well, when I was going to the YMCA in the mornings, there was one old guy in me who would always cross paths, and he would conversate with me. Yeah. Oh, how's the weather today, eh? Going to be a scorcher. Well, he was completely nude. Yes, completely. That is, and that, I think we've discovered that after a while, that's just what comes with being an old man. Yeah. Your give-a-crap is out, and you're like, I will stroll around this in the boardwalk, and here we go. Yeah.
Yeah, it eventually came to light that I worked with his son. Oh. But his son was 50. Oh. This dude was old. Wow. So, okay, but not, when we say, hey, locker room talk, just know that most dudes are going, what's the weather like, Sam, or what's corn by the bushel? Maybe that's an Iowa problem in the locker room. I'm just telling you. It's just not instant butt slapping and dirty jokes. That's not been my experience in the locker room. So, now you were never on any, Dan, you were on sports teams in high school. Right, right. Would you find that to be a den of iniquity? Yes. Okay. A lot of bragging, and you never knew if it was true or not.
Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I own six plaid shirts. I hoped it wasn't true. No, you don't, Steven. No one owns six plaid shirts. Conquests of cheerleaders and things like that. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So, it really, it just depends on the time of life and the group. Okay. The Young Men's Christian Association locker room isn't the same place. It's much toned down. Yeah.
Okay. Especially at 6.30 in the morning. People up that early don't have time to be talking all that smack. Proverbs 12.18 says that reckless words pierce like a sword, but the tongue of the wise brings healing. Secular or Solomon. When you speak, do you bring healing? No. Is Satan threatened by the way you talk? So, here's the, so I'm going to say this. I much would prefer that we posture obedience and faithfulness in scripture as honoring and following Jesus than trying to take some kind of stab at an opponent that Jesus doesn't give a lot of time a day to. It's just a wrong way. Like, I totally get the not today, Satan. But like, how about yes today, Jesus? Just like, I just feel like it's oriented much better because when the not today, Satan just like points at you, it points back to you and goes, hey, I'm going to be a butt
whipper today, boys. Yeah, so I always struggled with, because people would come up to me and like, Satan's really after me these last couple days, I'm like, and I always struggled with that because like, my first reaction is, I feel like you're not that important, that Satan himself is coming up to do battle one-on-one with you. I've only seen him recorded in the Bible as doing battle a mano a mano with one entity, right? And it was Jesus himself. Right. Demons, maybe. Demons, maybe. Yeah, I ain't taking that off the table. Adam and Eve. I mean, what was that? And the first human. I mean, that was a big one. Yeah. That was the one.
He conquered the first humans. Do you, well, I guess, do we see a picture of him any other time? Yeah, I don't know that we do. Yeah. I mean, those are big moments, though. Yeah, he shows up for the birth of humanity. Let's cause sin to infect the entire everything. Yeah, so that's a big one. He shows up for Job. Yeah. Yeah. Well, in heaven, he's talking to God, though. Yeah, that's true. He's not like tempting Job, enticing Job with like rudimentary pornography. Yeah. Right. Look at that rock. It looked like a boob.
Job is off the path. It did not require an example, Mike. It looked like a boob. This ain't no Palestinian locker room. I'm sorry. I let it get a little blue in here for a minute. Okay, so in either case, you were saying people say Satan's after me. Yeah. And so, like, I think I more need to empathize with how they're feeling right now. They're not feeling rejuvenated, attacked, alive in the Lord, full of joy, like Thessalonians says. But I think that it really is just a conversation that I think starts to lend too much power to Satan, right? Like, when God says, when Jesus says, this is done, it means it's done, right? Like, and his name alone will cover this. And so instead of you armoring with your, it's just like when we're trying to get joy, you're only capable of Mike's level of joy or Dan's level of joy, right? You're also only capable of Mike's level of defense or Dan's level of defense against the opposer. And so, like, you're just rooting it in the wrong place, right? And this is our goal as Christians anyway. We funnel everything up.
Everything goes up. The good stuff, the bad stuff, the scary stuff, our anxiety, the depression, the worry, all of it. It all funnels up. And so when you start to stand on your own, that's how you end up being Israel again and walking through deserts and going, we got this, we got this covered. Like, you don't got it covered. You know better. And you're going to screw it up and realize you tried to do it again. And that's where you lay your armor down and go, you know, I bought this stuff at a garage sale. I got to be honest. This is the best I had to do. And so, like, I think I'm with Ben. I think it's just a wrong thought. Like, the Bible over the whole, I can't remember what it's, like, denotes, like, less than, like, six, eight verses to Satan on the whole, right? His name shows up, like, barely at all. And so, like, it's something to be dealt with, but it was always God's to handle and God's to deal with. And so, we funnel up and let God fight things that Satan can't bust through, right, if God's on the armor. Yeah.
Like, I might say, like, if the article says how to put Satan in his place in three easy steps, I feel like my gut reaction is, Jesus already put Satan in his place. How can I honor Jesus in three easy steps? Like, it's just a, it's just a, I think it's just a better orientation. I think it just points you away from good things. Yeah, but, one, you don't have a suit on. I know. And two, he looks good. You don't have Philip Ramsey hair. Yeah, also a problem. And three, you underuse semicolons. He's got a big forehead. No, his hair has to support it. The forehead has to be bigger to support the hair. Oh, yeah, if you're going to build a temple, you've got to have strong pillars. You've got to have foundation for some kind. Yeah, I was wrong on that. I shouldn't have said that. Shoot.
What's the tail end of three? Three was, I love working with the FCA because we have volunteers, donors, board members, coaches, athletes, and staff who wake up every day and live in such a way that when their feet hit the floor, this is so cliche, feet hit the floor in the morning, Satan shudders and says, oh, no, they're awake. Oh, dear. No. This guy was writing memes in 1983. Before they were popular, he's saying stuff like this. Oh. No. I'm sure. No, here's the thing. That shudder happened one time, and that was when the stone moved, and he goes, oh, no, he's awake. That was it. Yeah, there you go. That was it. That happened, not Nathaniel's up. Yeah, hold tight. I'm going to make a shake and some peanut butter eggs, and then I'll be right with you. Peanut butter eggs.
Opponent. Okay, they live out the triple threat every hour, every day, every week, every month, and every year. I am humbled and honored. This is an FCA propaganda. Put Satan on his heels today. Our opponent will do everything. Love and serve Jesus today. Our opponent will do everything to prevent us from being a triple threat, but it's what God's called us to do. There are family members, coworkers, friends, neighbors, and teammates who are depending on you to be joyful. Pray continually and give thanks. I know why we're saying these things. I just wish you wouldn't. Yeah. We just need to reorient it. There's nothing wrong with being energized and on fire for the things the Holy Spirit is doing, which is all the things he just listed. Yeah. Right? But we're followers of Jesus Christ.
We're not on the defensive ever. Yeah. Right? We're not on the defense. We're not hiding behind anything. Yeah. And so, like, it's just a weird posture to think, oh, no, we're going to get outflanked by Satan today. It's not going to happen. Right? You put your faith in the creator of us is the creator of Satan, and he owns the keys to hell. And so, like, Satan's got no—he's just got no power here. Right? He's got power to give to people who want to take it from him. Right? To take what he's offering. Very much the same as Jesus has. Right? Jesus offers you these things, and it's your option to take it or not take it.
But you're not going to accidentally become part of one of the devil's schemes as you faithfully keep your eyes on Jesus Christ. That's the answer. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. Let's do—I had a couple others. Hold on. No, not that one. One, one. Here's what we're going to do. Left Behind author Jerry Jenkins talks new book, Fatherhood, and why he believes we're in the end times. So we're just going to cover that one spot. Okay. Because I'm interested. It's been a while, and to be honest, the theology behind the Left Behind books has waned in popularity a bit since it was originally written. The co-author, Tim LaHaye, died a number of years back. And so Jerry Jenkins says, Believes the world is close to the end as described in his popular biblical end-times fictional series, Left Behind, and has penned a new novel titled after his son's hit series, The Chosen.
Hey, man. Who? His eldest son is the writer for The Chosen. No kidding. Not crazy? Hmm. Oh, he's done a great job. Yeah. Let's see. Jenkins has sold 72 million copies of his Left Behind books and says he'll continue working because he believes the world is experiencing some of the scenes fleshed out in his Left Behind series. He'll continue working because he wants to continue to make money. That's why he will continue working. Actually, he wrote this. It's funny. He said he's written nearly 200 books with 21 of them making the New York Times bestsellers list, and he has no intention of slowing down. He says, well, I don't see any place in the Bible that talks about retirement. That's true. And at the risk of sounding falsely modest, I really think I'm mono-gifted.
But he said man-o, like M-A-N-O. What's mono mean? Well, I think he meant like singularly. He says, I don't sing or dance or preach. Writing is all I do. So like mono. But like man-o-gifted, I've not seen that. Like man-o-y-man-o? Hold on. I don't think the Internet's not going to show up. No, it's gone. Okay. Anyway, he says, we're getting pretty close to the end. I think we have more reason to believe that now than we ever have, Jenkins said. It seems like something's coming. This is all solid biblical theology. You just wonder how long God can carry us as sinful and restless as the world is. That's the worst theology I've ever heard in my life.
I just don't know how much longer the creator of the universe can bear this up. Certainly he will cave under the weight and the world will have to end. Yeah. This is stupid. Yeah. And I don't know. I mean, you're ignoring broad parts of the Old Testament where we talked about societies that had fallen completely out of any type of recognizable order or any sense of morality at all. Yeah, right. Like, it continues to be the false look at the world that says, hey, things are way worse now than they've ever been. They used to punish people by putting them in a sack and making a bunch of starved cats go in there with them and throw the whole thing into the pond. And so while the guy drowns, he also gets scratched to death with some dying, angry cats. Yeah, like, it doesn't seem this way, but it's the same height of arrogance that makes you think that America is the bellwether on whether the world is coming to an end or not, right? It's the same height of arrogance that says, yes, America is God's country and we are the only place Christianity spreads, runs, and rocks. And the same guy gets to turn around and say, but judging by our cultural society right now, the end has got to be near. There's a giant world to consider. The gospel is on fire in China and in parts of Africa and in the Middle East, right? And so, like, we are not the entire bellwether, wherever you live and whatever neighborhood that you're in, of exactly how biblical times is going to throw this thing down. Like, that's also a bit arrogant.
Yeah. So now he's going to say something that I think we can agree to here. Let me finish this paragraph. On the other hand, God has a different economy of time than we do. He wrote in the Bible 2,000 years ago that the end was soon or imminent and that we should watch and wait. We've been doing that all these years, he continued. The Bible also says that God, to God, 1,000 years is as a day and a day is as 1,000 years. So if he waits one more day in his mercy, that would be 1,000 of our years. It's an overly literal reaction. But check this out. Yet I don't think there's any more prophecy that needs to be fulfilled before the end, so it could be today as well. And I thought, we're back in business, Jenkins. Yeah. I actually agree with that. It's just been true for 2,000 years, as opposed to whatever weird list of things you've come up with over the last hundreds or something. Yeah. Here's the problem. Yeah, read that next sentence, and then we'll round it out.
The 71-year-old novelist stressed that all believers have a mission to share the good news, regardless of how bad the time has become. Yeah. So once again, just like the Satan conversation, I just think it's a weird bucket to start from, right? To be like, the end is near, change your ways. Because the good news, the gospel, as Christ described it was, salvation for all men, that your sins were put to rest, and the world will be made back to right. That is the good news. You're starting with kind of the bad news when you're like, look, this is all going to come to an end. God said, Jesus said, go out and spread the gospel, not go out and scare people to death. If that was effective, he'd have done so. Right? And so I just feel like it's a weird bucket to start from. I think it's a whole scope theology that you should have some understanding of the end times. God put it in there for a reason. He had John write a book about it. It's worth taking in. But it is certainly not the bucket to start from. I think this is kind of funny. His kid has put together a really cool television show, and then his dad went and wrote a novel called The Same Thing.
Doesn't it feel like he's trying to cash in on it? How I Raised the Guy That Wrote The Chosen by Jerry Jenkinson. I also said he wrote 200 books. Most of those were the Left Behind series, aren't there? I don't know. How many books are the Left Behind series? He didn't write 200 of them. I don't know. Now, it feels like that. If you go to any Goodwill or other thrift store, it'll appear that he's written 200 books about Left Behind. I think of the 21 best-selling New York Times ones, I think a good chunk of those are Left Behind series. But that means he's written 180 stinkers, doesn't it? I'm going to go back to what I said a few months ago. It's like, who wants to write a book at all? Yeah. I mean, Jenkins. He says there's still money in it. He makes a hit TV show based on the life of Jesus Christ, his son does.
And then Jenkins turns around and writes a book about how his son wrote the TV show. I would just rather watch the TV show. Yeah. That's where I'm at on that. Is it about? Is that what it's about? What was the name of it? No. No. The Chosen. Oh, yeah. It's gone now. Jared Jenkins. The Chosen. Something about The Chosen. Yeah. But it's not about the show at all. I think he's just taken the name of the show and used it to encourage people.
Yeah. Humph. Yeah. I give that a huff. Interesting. A humph. Okay. So we're going to do advice. But hold on. I got. There's a couple of prayer jokes. No. You get one. I got two. No. Yeah. No. Too much.
Too much prayer. This is going to be great. Everyone loves these jokes, Mike. We get accolades on the Bob Eisenhower complaint line. It never happens about these jokes. People say, hey, tell me more wholesome humor. Johnny, a very bright five-year-old, told his daddy he'd like to have a baby brother. And along with his request, offered to do whatever he could to help. His dad, a very bright 35-year-old, paused for a moment and then replied, I'll tell you what, Johnny. If you pray every day for two months for a baby brother, I guarantee that God will give you one. Oh. Johnny responded eagerly to his dad's challenge and went to his bedroom early that night to start praying for a baby brother. He prayed every night for a whole month, but after that time, he began to get skeptical. He checked around the neighborhood and found out that what he thought was going to happen had never occurred in the history of the neighborhood.
You just don't pray for two months and then whammo a new baby brother. So Johnny quit praying. And another month, Johnny's mother went to the hospital. And when she came back home, Johnny's parents called him into the bedroom. He cautiously walked into the room, not expecting to find anything. And there was a little bundle lying right next to his mother. His dad pulled back the blanket and there was not one baby brother, but two. His mother had twins. Johnny's dad looked down at him and said, now, aren't you glad you prayed? Johnny hesitated a little and then looked up his dad and said, yes, but aren't you glad I quit when I did? Hey. Hey. Hey. Hell, could have been seven kids, Mike. It could have been a Duggars. These are the kind of jokes happening at the FCA locker room. Yeah.
Okay. This is the second one. Final one. It combines both prayer and devil. There was a Christian lady who lived next door to an atheist. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Where's the word devil come from? Why do we say devil? I don't. That's not in the Bible. Is it? Yeah, it is. Yeah, it is. No, but it's not the, that's not the, that's a, that's a translation word, right? Well, yeah. That was transliteration. I don't, I don't know about that.
Okay. Your enemy, the devil, 1 Peter 5. Yeah, what's that word in 1 Peter 5? Is it, is it the Satan? Asatan? Okay, like you, are you checking it? Yeah, you have no opportunity to the devil. Ephesians 4.27. I'll look it up. Keep reading the joke. Okay. There was a Christian lady who lived next door to an atheist. Every day when the lady prayed, the atheist guy could hear her. He thought to himself, she sure is crazy, praying all the time like that. Doesn't she know there isn't a God? Many times while she was praying, he would go to her house and harass her, saying, Lady, why do you pray all the time? Don't you know there is no God?
But she kept on praying. One day she ran out of groceries. As usual, she was praying to the Lord, explaining her situation and thanking him for what he was going to do. As usual, the atheist heard her praying and thought to himself, I'll fix her. He went to the grocery store, bought a whole bunch of groceries, took them to her house, dropped them off on the front porch, rang the doorbell, and then hid in the bushes to see what she would do. When she opened the door, saw the groceries, she began to praise the Lord with all her heart, jumping, singing, and shouting everywhere. The atheist then jumped out of the bushes and told her, You old crazy lady, God didn't buy you those groceries. I bought those groceries. Well, she broke out and started running down the street, shouting and praising the Lord. When he finally caught her, he asked what her problem was. She said, I knew the Lord would provide me with some groceries, but I didn't know he was going to make the devil pay for them. Diabolos. Yeah, okay. Yeah, so I don't know how you got the devil.
But it's the same thing as the accuser. The culminator, the slanderer, the accuser. That's all it means. It's not a proper name. No, right. Just like Hossetton is not. Yeah, Hossetton is not a proper name either. Okay, advice. Dear, live from the path, my stepdaughter is engaged to a wonderful young man she has been with for more than three years. We welcome him as part of our family and are excited to have him as a son-in-law. However, due to his overwhelming anxiety, as my stepdaughter explains it, he barely says a word whenever we see him. In the several years that I've been dating and engaged, he has joined us for only one family holiday meal, and conversation was painful, to say the least. We have invited him to many family gatherings, large and small, but he seems to have an excuse not to attend each one.
I very much want to get to know him better and make him feel welcome, comfortable, and loved as part of our family. But his silence, lack of eye contact, and his apparent desire to avoid us make it very difficult. Any advice? What's that cartoon where that big giant kid is always like, I will love him and squeeze him and call him George? George is my friend. I love him and squeeze him and call him friend. That's what you seem like. He's like a sheepdog, isn't he? Like you're grabbing this tiny fella, and you just want to over-squeeze him and over-love him. And I don't know. I mean, it just seems kind of out of your business. I don't know. I mean, they're going to be his son-in-law. I'd say do little things.
He's inviting him to big family things. Yeah, right. One-on-one. Just go out with your daughters so there's the security there. Offer to watch a football game with him or something. Offer to watch a football game with him or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do something where he doesn't have to talk. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go to a movie. Start small. Yeah. And work up. Yeah, I think there's… Obviously, your family sounds pretty hip and grandiose, and you like to do big things and celebrate and whatever, and I think that's awesome. He just ain't cut of that rug.
That's just not that guy. Or he's a shady criminal. I don't know. So the advice is just stop pressing the matter. Or start small. Well, not ignore it. Just start small. Yeah. Be intentional. Meet him at his level. You're not going to cure his anxiety. You know what I'm saying? Like if he's got legit anxiety, like chemical imbalance anxiety, you're not going to cure it with your love. That's not how that works. So, yeah, I think you're going to have to try a different tact. Yeah. I agree.
I think you just start small. There's no reason. Like you can't presume that just throwing him into the deep end is going to teach him how to swim or anything. And so, yeah, start small. That's it. That's the genius. I agree. Yeah. Stamp it. Secular says, you are overdue for a serious talk with your stepdaughter. Yeah. Yeah. Lay down the law. That's what I mean. Call the police. Yeah. Have you ever asked her if she knows the reason for her fiance's lack of social skills?
Yeah. Accused. Yeah. Anxiety. Is he this way with everyone or just you and your husband? Could he be on the autism spectrum or feel intimidated by your attempts to make him feel, quotes, comfortable and loved? His extreme introversion may be a red flag because it may have negative repercussions for her if she marries him. What? She's willing to put the marriage at risk because the guy's got a little bit of anxiety about hanging out and with the families? I think that's unfair. I mean, like if he can't do one-on-one relationships or even have you, you know, watch a game with him or go to a monster truck or whatever the guy likes to do that's solitary. Like let's say you just want to go for a walk in a field or something that makes him feel all right. If he can't even do that, if you can't have a conversation with him, even on a one-on-one
thing, I mean, it's going to be really hard. Like as they marry and have kids, you know, he's going to have to opt out of all things. It's going to create stress and problems. Not to say that the guy doesn't have any possible way of rectifying this situation, but like if he knows he's that way, that seems kind of selfish. To be honest, if I'm the dude and I'm like, look, man, I am taking medication for it or I'm choosing not to take medication for it, I want you to live a life completely next to me and whatever you do outside this house, I will not be going. I didn't. Is that the impression we got that he's like that? From the parents' point of view, yes. Or maybe it's just with them. I thought it was just like bigger get-togethers with them. Not that like, hey, I won't go anywhere with my significant other. Well, they've been together for several years. He has joined us for only one family holiday meal. Yeah. And conversation was bad.
We invite him to many family gatherings, large and small, but he seems to not attend any of these. Right. So it doesn't speak to any of those. Maybe he goes on long walks next to the fountain all the time. Maybe they just don't like them. Maybe he don't like the parents. Yeah. Yeah. That's a tough situation. Go visit him. Like I said, weren't all the things proposing that he come out to whatever they're doing? Yeah. That was Dan's suggestion. Find something small to start out with him and see what's what. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, take his turf, I guess, was the point.
Hmm. Okay. You're live from the path. How do I talk to my roommate about the thermostat without coming off as a, quote, parent or a control freak? Yeah. Yeah. Holy cow. I prefer the thermostat to be set at 77 to 78 during warmer months, but every time I step out the door, they turn the AC down to 72 or 73. It makes the house feel like you could hang meat in here. The kicker is, it's 80 degrees outside. I don't think the unit even needs to be on. Not only am I concerned about the electric bill, I'm freezing in my own house with pants on. I know. Is the goal to not have pants on? I know this will become a problem because we're expecting temperatures in the 90s for
weeks at a time, and the cost of electricity rises with the heat. I'm tired of playing the game of adjusting the temperature and not saying anything. Advice? Oh, I didn't catch it. What's the makeup of the house? There's like roommates? Yeah. Yeah. No, he's trying not to be the old man in the group. He is the old man in the group. Yeah. 77 to 78. That's a hot box, man. I'm going to tell you the same thing I have to tell my loving wife. When you let the temperature get that hot in your house, your refrigerator has to work even harder. So everything in your house that you're currently paying electricity for to cool, like the freezer, the fridge, the deep freeze, whatever you're using, fans you've got to be spinning around,
this all costs money. By the time you accumulate all that together, you can run the air conditioner down at a reasonable 72, which is comfortable, and your appliances aren't sweating and doing terrible. Your air conditioner also pulls humidity out of your house, right? It's doing a double thing here. It's not only cooling the air, it's pulling some of the moisture out of the air, which also causes all of your appliances to have to work harder. So you can take the money thing right off the table. I don't think that even counts. So you say run it at a reasonable temperature for all these scientific reasons. Nathaniel, is he selling me a bill of goods? Does that sound right? What are you saying? Yeah, that sounds right to me. Also, if you've got wood in there, you don't want it all precipitated with moisture. You've got to get that humidity out of there. Preach on, Nathaniel. You're going to ruin your wood floors.
Wood floors? I suppose computers you're running, desktop computers. Like anything, any electronics that have to stay cool obviously have to work harder when you keep your house at a hotter temperature. Electricity hates heat. Remember that. Electricity likes cold. Electricity does not like heat. Also, you can wear a sweater, Grandpa. Yeah, 72 is not hanging meat temperatures. No. That's ridiculous. I mean, there are heating and cooling companies that are called 72 degrees because that is the at least mostly agreed upon temperature of which people are comfortable. Yeah, optimal. Yeah, so for you to act like it's Eskimo season in there because they're running it at what people normally put it at, yeah, you're over it. You're going to look silly.
Yeah. I mean, you're just going to struggle trying to get popular opinion here. I thought you were going to be like, they crank it down to 65. Okay, that's egregious, right? Like, no one needs it that cold. But 72 is considered reasonable with like a 30% humidity range at your place. 77, especially for people that work outside. Like, if I can work outside all day and it's like 90 degrees and I show up and my house is 78 degrees, I'm spicy. I'm Sriracha. I don't understand why it's so hot in this house. Like, I bought a house and I bought an air conditioner and you're trying to frame it and make it like a picture here and I want to use it. I want it to run. I want the fan spinning and I want coolness to be shooting out of vents. And it's not that expensive. It's not really that expensive. And like, I suppose it depends on what major market you're in, where the electricity costs
rise with the temperature, like Uber, like surge pricing. Yes, yes. I mean, they do base your electricity bill based off this hour to this hour. So actually, yeah, off peak usage. So if you were smart, here's what you do. You get yourself some batteries and you get off the grid during peak hours and then go ahead and get back on the grid during non-peak hours and you would pay fantastic electric rates. Or you just get yourself a chiller and cool down the water during off peak rates and then circulate that water through your house so that that's what's doing the cooling rather than the electricity. That's also not a bad idea. There's a lot of ways to get around this. Opposed to your, what I appear, I just flat out disagree with you, sir. I flat out disagree with you. Your roommates should get a lockbox and put it around the thermostat and get a key and keep it away from you. Now, I mean, is there a path to peace here that says they like 72? He wants 78.
Can everybody live at 74, 75? No, that's too hot. 32. No peace, only war. You could always, that's right, there's no peace. It's like the Independence Day where they got the thing around that doctor's neck and he's like, no peace. You don't know? Yeah. Yeah, I do, unfortunately. Okay, you do the same impression to see if it's better. I think that's pretty good. Dan, do you do one? It's like when he's behind the window. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But he's just saying no peace? Yeah. I have to touch my throat.
Okay, Nathaniel, you're looking smug. You do it. I don't have one, but I'll try. Okay. No, no. No, no peace. Okay, okay, note to self. When Nathaniel says, I don't have one, he means it. Do not press that, man. That's what we thought about this. Yeah, you sounded like six banshees all together in a chorus. I don't know how you did it. Okay, so there's no path to reconciliation. He either has to decide to live in luxury like everybody else and put a sweatshirt on or move out. The rest of the world thinks 72 is fine. Do you complain at the bank or at your school or at your work or wherever you go that the rest of the world is piping in at 72?
Now, I will tell you that I feel like old ladies do that. Like old ladies just assume the temperature should be to their liking wherever they go. Oh, maybe you have bad circulation. That's what I was going to say. They have no circulation. That's the problem. Maybe you've got health problems. Go see a doctor. Yeah. Before you start swinging gullies at your roommate here, I think you have something wrong with you. 78 is not a reasonable temperature. That's old folks' home temperature. Yeah. Get some, yeah, get some, either get some white lace-ups and a sweatshirt or get some room-a-deal and some chiropractic adjustments. And hold on. I'm not done with this guy.
Turn your room into a sauna. Yeah. Second of all, the 72 degrees doesn't feel cooler when it's 90 out. It still feels like 72. It's the same temperature. It's a relative reading. Right? Like, it doesn't change the hotter it is outside. And so, I don't understand that. You just said when it feels hot outside, you like to come into a cool house. I said when you work outside all day, you don't want to come home and be hot as well. Yeah, but you just said- What I'm saying is, when it gets hot, it's going to be in the 90s next week. Yeah. But if you leave the thermostat at 72, it's going to feel like the same as it always feels. Oh, yeah. I think his point was, but because the outside heat attempts to encroach, it's going to be more effort to keep it at 72 and cost them big money.
I'm going to tell you something else that's true, especially with the fancy thermostats. They're like, hey, when I'm away, let this temperature get up to 78. Right. So, at some point, it's easier to maintain the 72 than it is to regain it every six hours. Right? Like, instead of running the thing, short cycle in your air conditioner all the time, and keeping it at 72, if you let the house to get to 78, you have to overcome that six degrees again. And it's less energy just to maintain it at the temperature that you want it at, instead of having to battle it all the time. So, you said that smart thermostat is leading you astray. It's for the government. The government. Like, they're trying to keep an eye on you? No, they want you to start to use less electricity. Oh. All under the flag of energy efficiency, but really, it's more money in the fat cat's pockets. You know what I'm saying?
I get nasty grams from the energy company all the time. They're like, you use, like, 80% more electricity during the day than everybody else on your block. But here's the deal. I homeschool. We're home during the day. Like, everyone else leaves and uses this intelligent thermostat that turns everything down. I'm like, we live here. Yeah, what kind of business is this? It's like the guy from the apple cart going, you buy three times as many apples as everybody else. This needs to cease. Yeah, aren't you happy, apple man? We got wind towers spinning all over the place. They should be happily shoveling electricity your way. I don't know what they care. Yeah, I don't understand this energy industry. We're like, you're right. It's the only purveyor of a good who then shames you if you use too much of what they're
selling. All right. How many Snickers is that today? Yeah, right. Like, I don't get that. I'm from the Mars company. We think you use too much of our product. We'd like to sell less. You're the worst businessman ever. Also, if you want to cut down your energy bill, you can use evaporative cooling rather than your… Will you stop introducing expensive cooling options? No, this isn't expensive. I mean, it depends on whether you got a well or not. If you have a well, it's way cheaper. True. If you don't… I have a well.
Okay, so here's the principle. Your body, in order to cool itself, evaporates. And it's way more efficient than using electricity. So what you do is you spray water on top of your house, and through evaporative cooling, your house gets colder. What do you mean? Like, I take a hose, and I just hose my house down all the time? Yep. That's it? I don't have to do anything else? Well, it'd be most efficient if you took, like, a thermography gun and see where your hot spots are in your house and just hose those particular parts off. But, yeah. Hold on, Mike. Is he lying to me? Can't tell. I can go outside tomorrow. It's going to be hot tomorrow.
And I just hose my house down every, what, few hours? Yeah. And without running the air conditioning, it's going to stay cool. Yeah, just put a sprinkler up there. It'll be cooler or cool? Cool. I don't know about that. I've seen no businesses implement this. Yeah, because the water's expensive. But if you have a well, like Ben… I have two wells. He's got two wells. He's got water aplenty. Dos wellanos. He could cool his house for free. Multi-agua. Okay, so we're just going to set up. Now, do you do it on the roof, or do you do it on the siding?
Both. Are you setting me up to make a fool? No. You're going to do a YouTube show of which Ben, look at this dumb thing I told Ben to do. He's out watering his house. Ben got punked. I don't… If I Google this, will I find, like, I mean, non-ridiculous-looking forum nerdlingers talking about this? Is this a legit premise? Yeah. Let's call Kevin Carson right now. He's asleep. He's an old man. Yeah. Okay. Have you ever heard of a swamp cooler?
Now, they use swamp coolers at major businesses. Yeah. Same principle. It's evaporative cooling. Using liquid. I thought that was a brand of men's underpants. Whoa. Whoa. I don't shop at those stores. Okay. Okay. Hose house down with water. Whole house. Whole house. How much water? It's going to be a lot. I mean, like, how much? I don't know.
I haven't, like… You've got to run… So, basically, you turn a sprinkler on. You put a sprinkler on all four sides of the house and just let it shoot it all the time. Yeah. Yeah. And then it evaporates, and it takes the heat with it. And you think that's cheaper than running an air conditioner? If you have free water like Ben does. But you're paying the pumps to pump it. I guess. I mean, but how much, you know, how much is a pumper on that? I guess you'd have to do the calculations. You should have started with that. You should have started with, you might have to do the calculations, but here's an alternative idea. That is not what you did.
You showed up with, so this is the fixed everything. I'm going to water my house tomorrow. That's what I'm going to do. Actually, I have a shed. I have an Abe Lincoln shed. I'm going to water that Abe Lincoln shed and see if it cools it down. That's a much smaller building. We can do a test on it. Yeah. Just put the kids in charge of it. Have them go out there with the hose every 45 minutes and reshoot the shed. Yeah, go water. And stick a thermometer in there and see how we do. Go water the house. Boy, you're on trial tomorrow, Nathaniel. I'll tell you what. Well, there's a hole in the shed at the moment. I can't do it.
Don't water the shed. Yeah. Okay, here we go. Segular says, the question was, I'm tired of playing the game of adjusting the temperature and not saying anything. Advice? Segular says, stop pussyfooting around and having an adult discussion with your roommate about this. If possible, a compromise should be worked out. Whose name is on the lease? Is it yours or both of yours? That sounds like, uh, that's not a compromise. That sounds like a heavy hand. Yeah. Is the cost of heating and cooling the unit shared equally? If a compromise can't be agreed upon, it's possible the two of you are incompatible and one of you needs to make other living arrangements. Now, I'm going to tell you this.
It's you. 78 degree man. Okay. I need to leave. I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to sit on the couch. So, no joke, yesterday evening, my wife and I spent an excessive amount of minutes talking about something very similar. And it had to do with getting in the car. So, like, we get in the car and it's hot in the car. We have our car, you can control the climate, both passenger and driver's side and front and back. Unique. Okay. So, I burn that thing. You can, it's got a temperature on it. You can get it as low as 60. And so, I get in the thing, I'm full fan, 60 degrees. My wife's at, like, 69 when she gets in there, likes a dude, like two fan.
Two fan out of five. And so, uh, and the kids, uh, want full, uh, full air in the back. Well, at least one of the kids. Everyone else is agnostic. Uh, my wife goes, I want the windows down. And then, like, turns off all the airs and runs all the windows down. And I said, hey, man, we got, you can, you can control it in the different areas. I can do mine. You can kind of do yours. And that would, it didn't, we didn't get it worked out. We didn't get it. She wanted the windows down everywhere. Why? Why has everybody else got to experience nature? Oh, I don't know. But hay fever and dust out there. Okay. Okay.
Well, so that, that's what I'm saying. The point was, is that, like, I, like, I think that you have to make a distinction somewhere around what is your preference and then, like, how much that should, that can be asserted across multiple areas, especially when there's an option. Like, if that guy likes it hotter, like, shut the vent in your room. He could shut the vent in his room for multiple hours, let his room heat up if he wants to. Yeah. And then go sit in. So, like, you have, if you're going to be the odd guy out, like, maybe you should take the responsibility of living uniquely. But, like, it's just odd, I think, to take that preference and then kind of assert it upon, upon others. Especially if it's not even reasonable. Especially if it's so high. You say 78. 78 is ridiculous. It doesn't make any sense. Okay.
It's just ridiculously high. Okay. So here's what we're going to do. Hey, thanks for listening to Life in the Path. We appreciate it. Here's what I want you to do. At the Bob Eisenhower Complaintland. Bob was just voted top realtor. Again? Yeah. Top realtor for, I don't know, a million years in a row. Yeah. Bob does great work. Anyway, the Bob Eisenhower Complaint Line, that's 515-517-0085. You can call or text 515-517-0085. First of all, what temperature do you keep your house? Yeah. Like, winter, summer, if you've got to make the distinction.
So I'll give it away. I think at, normally we're 74 during the summer. 72 at night. It goes down two at night. And then at the wintertime, we're probably the other direction, like 68, 69. Wait a minute. Do you wear blankets when you sleep? Some people in the house do. Some people do not. You turn the air down and then put blankets on? Again, this is the woman I married. She's the window-down person. She takes in the world uniquely in the skin. I don't know how it goes on the way it does. Okay, so what do you keep your straight 72 all the time? No, I like to fiddle with it. I let it go to 77 when I'm not at the house, and then I crank it down to 71. You just said that that's not the right way to do it.
I know. It's foolish, but I have too lazy to change it. That's the thing with the thermostats. Once you don't tell them what to do, they run the yard. Yeah, and then I move the thermostat like it's got an occupancy sensor on it, so it knows where somebody walks past it, and they're like, hey, fire the air on. People are home. But I put it in an inconspicuous area that nobody walks past, and so it tries to shut off all the time on me because it doesn't think anybody's home. You don't know how to deal with technology correctly. Here's the thing. My wife does not like to see how the house works. It's her pet peeve. Like, she wants it to do cool things, but does not want to see the inner workings of it. Like, does not want to go to your house and see that you own a DVD player. It's got to be in a drawer or something. It's gone somewhere.
Yeah, the thermostat, she don't want to see it, right? It's got to be doing its job, but she don't want to have eyes on it. What about, like, light switches and stuff? Does she want, like… As discreet as possible. So you could have no switches and just they all occupy and see your Bluetooth on the phone. You'd be fine with that. She don't want to see how things work. Don't want to see cords. Hates cords. Cords for lamps, cords for TVs, nothing. She don't like cords. Okay. She don't want to see it operating. Okay. Dan, what temperature do you keep your house? 72, all the time. Straight up.
Dan's just not even jacked with it. Don't even miss it. 72. Hey, I'm on board with Dan. Yeah, simple living. That's the way to do it. Nathaniel, you just watered his house. Yeah, I just used water. I put it at 69 and then my wife will turn it up and then I'll put it back at a 69. You'd like to keep it chilly home. Wait, right now it's 69 degrees at your house? Yeah. I mean, probably not because I'm not home. Yeah. Oh, your wife's turned it up. Now, did your wife do it for comfort purposes or she tries to save a nickel? I think both, I think. She's comfortable saving nickels.
Yeah. Okay. Here's the thing. I'm not a frugal man. There's some things that I wouldn't mind saving money on, but I don't pull any punches when it comes to heating and air conditioning. I mean, I installed all this stuff. Mr. 72, Dan's like, no. Nope. Nope. You know how much money you have invested in this already? Like certain kind of siding, reboosting your insulation in your attic and your walls. You spent, like when the house was built, a lot of time and attention was paid to try to keep the conditioned air in and it wasn't designed like a house was from the early 1900s where it was made for breeze, right? Like older houses, all the windows are set up to let a breeze in and a breeze out. Yeah. And like set up to cool on its own mostly.
And houses these days are built tight and so they don't leak any air and then you decide you ain't going to put no, you're not going to even condition the stuff that's in here. I think you should just burn it. Yeah. Actually, so when we get those nasty grams from the power company, they're like, hey, you could save $120 a year. I'm like, $10 a month? Okay. You're telling me I can live however I want in luxurious temperature all the time for $10? Yeah. Yeah. You've actually encouraged me the other direction. I say, why would I want to save $120 a year? Yeah. I'd really go for broke here. Well, I'll spend $15 a month and I will just tune this thing way down. Yeah. Yeah.
It's not, yeah, they've not convinced me. It's gone the other direction. Okay. Anyway, so you've got, first of all, what are you going to tell us? What do you keep your house at? I'm interested. Summer, winter. Number two, so the prayer stuff, like if we can be praying for you, even if it's just, hey, I need prayer on prayer, we'd be glad to do that. It's just, it's something that I think we're going to focus on and we'd love to be able to, you know, walk along signing that thing. Also, that article was on the Christian Post. So if you wanted that list, if that's helpful for you, then that's great. You can go to ChristianPost.com and there's a list of 21 ways to something about your prayer life. I think that's it. We really do appreciate hanging out. Oh, hey, we got a, we finally showed up on iTunes.
With a review. With reviews. Like you have to have so many reviews before you even show up. It's been 10 years or whatever. It's going to show up like we got, this will be episode number 200 that comes out on iTunes and we finally, we're on the docket. We're on the board. And so anyway, thank you. Hey, that means you guys have gone out and you've reviewed the show. And that wasn't me. I don't, I don't use an iOS device. Mike, did you review the show? No. Dan? No. No. Nathaniel? No.
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In the meantime, we're aiming to be back next week. In the meantime, be faithful in the means. God will handle the ends. You've been listening to Live from the Path.
