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Live From The Path · Season 2021, Episode 26

Being a Tool for Halloween

Recorded · 0:59:09 · 12,935 words transcribed

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Segments

  • Show open from the Pathway Studios in Johnston proper 0:05–0:12
    A host delivers the standard show open: live from the Pathway Studios in Johnston proper, introducing Live From The Path.
  • Open salvo: talk to non-Christians like they don't know Jesus 0:36–2:08
    A host speaks directly to Christ followers after a rough week of hair-splitting and pharisaical behavior in the Christian community. He argues many believers talk about Jesus as if addressing a college biblical-studies class, and reminds listeners they were transformed by the grace and mercy of Jesus Christ on the cross and the work of the Holy Spirit, not by winning nuanced doctrinal arguments.
  • Jesus met the lost where they were; see people as blind, not as enemies 2:16–4:58
    A host recalls the demoniac in Luke's gospel cutting himself with stones, then jokes that Jesus turning to Peter would have been 'I think that guy celebrates Halloween.' He argues the hardest part of raising Christian children is teaching them to see non-Christians as blind and deceived rather than as people to feel superior to, quoting Dan's classic line 'hurting people hurt people' as the model for how his family handles mean kids on the bus.
  • Halloween is a commercialized holiday, not actual pagan worship 4:59–6:44
    The hosts argue that honest Christians should admit nobody is pagan-worshiping on Halloween: kids dress as the Wiggles, Barney, and innocuous characters, and nobody has ever been converted to the occult by a Kit Kat from Target. The Lord can redeem a calendar date, just as He can redeem a Christmas date regardless of its origins, and getting caught up in the holiday's history is a distraction.
  • The festival of booths: Christians shouldn't hide from an unspiritual world 6:44–9:03
    A host compares Halloween to the festival of booths — a community event where everyone turns on lights and shares food — and says no one is pledging allegiance to zombies. He admits his own kids have sensitivity around dark costumes like Freddy Krueger, but argues the answer is following the Spirit's conviction for yourself, not demanding behavior modification from people who lack the Spirit. A second host agrees the kids just want candy and have no idea who Jesus is.
  • Look at the world with an eye for redemption, not failure 9:04–13:38
    A host urges listeners to look at the world the way Jesus did — with an eye for redemption, not failure — because Jesus already established the failure part and moved on. He argues the cartoonish version of evil Christians run from (pointy-tailed devils, Bugs Bunny Satan costumes from Walmart) underestimates real evil, whose sneakiest trick is getting people to say 'just not God, anything but that.' Real practitioners of negative spiritual things find the whole Halloween premise funny because nothing occult happens that night.
  • Overzealousness on tertiary issues is a barrier to people meeting Jesus 13:39–17:06
    A host cites surveys showing people are more likely noncommittal than wrongly committed, and says looking overzealous about something silly becomes a barrier to someone meeting Jesus. He notes smart Christians can debate doctrine, but basics come first: do I know who Jesus is, do I trust that He's good, is the Holy Spirit working around me. Jesus debated scholars but met the woman at the well and the demoniac with grace, and obsessing over arguments is 'cleaning the outside of the dish' like the Pharisees.
  • The 90% rule and 'can this be redeemed?': complaint line open on the Halloween take 17:07–22:28
    A host opens the complaint line (515) 517-0085 for anyone who thinks the Halloween take is flippant, then offers the broad rule: if a fellow believer loves Jesus and the Spirit is working in his life, call that 90% good and be careful what you make a stink about. He points to first-century Christians and Daniel accommodating government ceremonies without sacrificing integrity — 'can this be redeemed first?' — and notes John the Baptist only 'blew things up' at hypocritical religious leaders, not at ordinary sinners.
  • The article: arguments from silence are a logical fallacy 22:29–26:17
    A host introduces a Christian Post article by Joseph Bach Coleman titled 'What to Believe About Issues Jesus Didn't Discuss.' The article argues that 'Jesus never talked about x, so He doesn't care' is an argument from silence — a logical fallacy, like a child caught with candy saying 'you didn't see me do it.' The hosts agree it shows up most on major issues like sexuality and abortion, then riff on how Jesus also never addressed elevators or hand-washing frequency.
  • Ask 'does God want me to do this?' — and the sweet-then-bitter scroll 26:17–28:30
    The hosts take up the article's proposal that a surrendered life asks 'does God want me to do this?' instead of 'is it okay if I do this?' One host admits that line of thinking once turned him away from Christianity for years through hyper-scrutiny of every move. The other connects it to Revelation's eating-the-scroll passage — God's word is sweet going in, then bitter when you realize you're not living it — and to how a good movie or song with a bad message turns bitter in his soul, leaving him folding laundry in silence instead of scrolling Netflix.
  • The Bible is not a moral handbook; apply broad principles, don't fish for silence 28:31–34:46
    Reading on from the article, a host argues it is folly to build a moral worldview around what Jesus did not explicitly discuss — Jesus said nothing about sexual assault or flying planes into skyscrapers, yet God's view is clear. The Bible isn't a technical handbook; like ancient Near Eastern law codes, it expects wise people to take broad principles and apply them. Demanding explicit text for every decision, he says, echoes the serpent's 'did God really say?' and reveals unwillingness to trust that God is real and good. The honest question is never technicality — it's whether you want to apply the Scripture you already understand.
  • Run away from the line: Sermon on the Mount ethics 34:47–36:33
    A host reframes the issue around the Sermon on the Mount: Jesus's parameters always say run as far from evil as possible — repent of anger before it becomes murder, don't even look lustfully to stay far from adultery. People fishing for arguments from silence are 'snuggling up to the line' God drew for their good, which shows the heart is in the wrong spot. He closes the segment noting he lost last week's show file, the one where he yelled at Boova.
  • Dear LFTP: should I tell my siblings about my mother's affair? 36:33–49:32
    A listener writes that at a funeral, her aunt confided her mother cheated on her father while they were married — the father apparently unaware. Her mother's lies during an ugly divorce (other children, pedophilia, hidden millions) made her siblings idolize the mother and loathe the father, and the listener wants to know if revealing the affair could change their minds. The hosts say they don't hide true things and that lies should be answered with truth, but the motivation matters: first give the mother a chance to come clean with an ultimatum, don't weaponize the information, and be 'triple careful and prayerful' since you may personally benefit from spreading it. One host notes revealing the affair doesn't technically disprove the other accusations, but it exposes the mother's credibility. The Secular answer asks why the aunt shared it, names the behavior parental alienation, and says to disclose only if 100% certain the claim is true.
  • Dear LFTP: proper etiquette after the passing of a loved one 49:34–58:16
    A listener asks about etiquette after a family death: within an hour of the passing, the news was all over social media and relatives learned about it from non-family posts. The hosts say restraint is key — always wait for the family to make the announcement, share the family's post rather than breaking the news yourself, and offer condolences privately instead of performing them in front of a thousand friends. They grant grace for people grieving out loud without thinking, and one host recalls being in the hospital room when Boova's dad passed away and being unsure he handled it well himself. The Secular answer says news travels like wildfire, the leaker should have asked for the news to stay private until family was informed, and apologies are in order.
  • Outro: complaint line, reviews, and the benediction 58:17–59:02
    The hosts close by thanking listeners, promising to post this episode and the lost last week's episode soon, inviting comments on the complaint line (515) 517-0085, asking for podcast app reviews, and signing off with the standard benediction: be faithful in means, God will handle the ends.

Bible references

  • 2 Peter

    your ability to write a well rehearsed argument over why you disagree with second Peter

  • Luke (the demoniac)

    that part of Luke where that the demoniac was… cutting himself with the stones

  • Matthew 5

    let's couple Matthew five with the great commission

  • Matthew 28 (Great Commission)

    let's couple Matthew five with the great commission

  • Matthew 23:25-26 (clean the outside of the dish)

    acting like your job was to be a pharisee who cleans the outside of the dish

  • Luke 19:10 (seek and save the lost)

    God's heart has always been to seek and save the lost

  • Revelation 12 (named as such; actual eating-the-scroll passage is Revelation 10:9-10)

    John's supposed to eat the scroll and it's sweet, but then it's bitter

  • John 5:19 (the son can do nothing of his own accord)

    the son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the father doing

  • Exodus 20 (the 10 words)

    the line was from from the 10 words

  • Genesis 3:1 (did God really say?)

    What did what God didn't really say… It sounds like an invitation not to trust the goodness of God

  • Daniel (book)

    Daniel did this… how do we go along with the shape of things

  • Leviticus

    this is what happens in in Leviticus… God would give a set of laws

  • Matthew 5:21-22 (anger at your brother)

    not whether you actually killed your brother, but you were even angry at him

  • Matthew 5:27-28 (lust as adultery)

    How do I get as far away from adultery as I can? You don't even look at somebody else lustfully

Key questions

  • How should Christians engage with Halloween and its supposed pagan undertones? (host-framed)
  • What should we believe about issues Jesus didn't discuss? (host-framed)
  • Should I tell my siblings about my mother's affair, which could change how they view our father? (dear-lftp)
  • Do you have a responsibility to come to the defense of people being maligned by things you know to be untrue? (host-framed)
  • What is proper etiquette after the passing of a loved one when news spreads on social media? (dear-lftp)
  • Can this be redeemed? Should Christians bail on anything with possible spiritual risk? (host-framed)

People

  • Dan
  • Ben
  • Boova
  • Joseph Bach Coleman
  • Doris McClellan

Full transcript

Live from the Pathway Studios in Johnston proper. You are live from the path.

And you're listening to Live From The Path. We're coming from the Pastor Way Studios here in Johnston, Prepper. Listen to me. Yeah. Yeah. Hit hit me with it right now. Listen to me. I'm ready. I'm I'm I'm speaking I'm speaking to you, Christ follower. Yeah. I want you to hear me today. Sounds serious. Knock it off. I just I just it's been a rough week for hair splitting and

and religious type for pharisaical work going on in the Christian community. I'm just we're just gonna try to level the playing field a little bit here. A lot of folks that you are talking to about Jesus don't have the faintest clue what you're talking about. And the way that you're trying to talk about it is as if you're in some kinda biblical studies class in college or a bunch of weird nuanced opinions that people like to talk about and then argue about amongst themselves in the Christian community.

And I need you to remember this week that you were transformed by the grace and mercy of Jesus Christ on the cross and the work of the holy spirit in your life. Those are the things that did it. Not your whiz bang, thought process or your ability to write a well rehearsed argument

over why you disagree with second Peter. Like, these, I just I I feel like I've seen at least 10 examples this week of God's people doing exactly the opposite

of what Jesus did when he went out and met some people who did not know who he was or who their father was, and the way that he presented information. And I just feel like we're we're doing the big wiffle ball swing and a miss here. Yeah. Yeah. I was reading is that part of Luke where that the demoniac

was. The guy that was like cutting his cutting himself with the stones and like nude and whatever. And it was I I'd forgotten this part, but Jesus and the disciples had gone out and like Jesus saw this guy kind of and the way that he was acting and that he couldn't be bound by the chains or whatever. And I think it was Luke's gospel records Jesus turning to Peter and going, I think that guy celebrates Halloween.

I think that's how it went down. I think And I think that's how it got he got to this point, because he's been doing Halloween y type of things. I it's you it's stepping out of your own shoes. Right? Like,

it's it's the hardest thing to teach your children when you when you're teaching them to grow up and follow Christ because you're actually doing the you're trying to teach them the exact opposite that most of school is teaching them. Where you're you're you're trying to say, look, you have to look at people as if they're blind, as if they're being deceived and they don't understand what's actually going on here. And you don't want your children to have like this, I'm better than other people thought process. Right? Or I've got this figured out and everyone else is wrong. But that is exactly how I want them to look at the world as a Christ follower because you do know the truth and you do know what's going on. And you have to look it's just like Dan's classic for saying hurting people hurt people. Right? So when my kids used to have a tussle with some jerk kid on the bus,

right, who's four and acting like a complete rear end of a horse. And you would go, right, they would come home and be like, was so mean to me and he said these terrible things and like, look, hurting people hurt people. I'm not saying the things that he said to you were kind because they weren't. But here's the two things that we care about. Is it true? Are you what he said? No. Well, then it doesn't matter. And two, people that are trying to cut you down and people that try to hurt you are normally hurting they're usually hurting themselves. Inside, they're just dealing with a really nasty bucket of stuff and they only need to throw out what everybody else has thrown in. Right? And so but as they get older, they start to look at that and go, listen, this is this is me, like, insta judging people. You know, like like taking a stance on them right away and going, hey, I've got this figured out and you don't. And it seems like a real judgy standpoint to come from when you're dealing with other people. But it is exactly the one that Jesus came from. Right? We're like, I I know what's really going on here. I know what my father created you to be. I know what this world was supposed to look like, and I'm inviting you out of the blindness that you're currently in.

And so I I I think the reason I bring all that up is because sometimes it's looking out at the world and going, and one of them did have to have to do with the the subject of Halloween. Yeah. If we could be if we could be really honest with ourselves, when you have conversations about our pagan following of all hallowed's eve, everybody that you know that is not a Christian who's dressing up as the Wiggles

or Barney or some other innocuous character that has nothing to do with all hallowed's eve, you're speaking a completely different language than they care about. Right? If you're trying to invite them to know the God that created them and and and say that this is what I'd like to invite you into as a disciple of Jesus Christ, and they come to find out that you're arguing over something that's actually not even happening. No one is pagan worshiping bones

and stuff. Right? Yeah. Like, it's just not happening. Nobody has a witch come to the door and gives them a Kit Kat and goes, you know, I think I will be part of the occult based upon that sweet thing that that that little kid has that they bought from the Target. I think Target a curse I wanna put on someone. Yeah. I've been trying to get back to that curse. I'm glad I'm glad this I was reminded of it. First of all, this this is not happening. It's a commercialized holiday just like anything else. Second of all, I don't care how it started. I actually think it started with religious connotations anyway. But like, I don't even care what people have turned into it. The Lord can redeem whatever he wants to. It's the same reason I don't care that, like, there's there's debate about whether Christians saw

a pagan holiday and then decided to worship Jesus's birth on it. Well, God bless them. Yeah. I don't care. You could pick every day of the week and say, you know what? We're gonna worship say Jesus was born this day and we're gonna celebrate. And I say, God bless that too. I don't I do not care. The the Lord can redeem that. It's not like that that spot on the calendar. Frankly, and even parts of the calendar that have shifted over the years, we're not it's not even the same day anymore. You understand that, boys? It's not the same day. The calendar changes over time. And so, like, I just you're getting caught up in something so dumb. Culture is irrelevant. Just like the the child sitting on Santa Claus' lap is not sitting there. They might not even know who Jesus is. Like, I'm I don't know. I'm just doing Christmas. I'm just doing Santa Claus, you know. And we're like, we're not celebrating the right day for Jesus. They're like, I don't even know Jesus. I'm just getting a candy cane. Right. Yeah. And we're like arguing over stuff that The kids are just going out and having candy. Honestly,

it looks like a community of people. That's what Halloween looks like to me. Everybody turns on their lights, has food, and then invites people over. Right? I mean, it's the festival of booths. I mean, this is this is what we're doing. We're out as a community and no one is actually going, oh, man, I hope the zombies show up because I have allegiance to pledge to them. Right? No one is doing this. And so I I I feel like it's a it's a it's a it's a miss into understanding. Like, you have to be so buried in your in your Christian hole

to think that other people are actually doing this. And yeah. And and I think again, like, it gives you the wrong bent. You look out and you go, you know what these people need? Behavior modification. Right. They should stop dressing up as Freddy Krueger. Now here's the deal. My my kids probably would never do that because I have a sensitivity to it. There's something about it where I'm like, boy, that seems like it's putting something dark into the world. Why why can't they be they can be the rainbow or the owl. That's totally fine to me. Lame. It's I don't wanna be the owl again. He

was pretty excited. Cream Cheese really wanted to be an owl this year. Of course, he thinks owls attack things and carry them off and eat them. He's right. He is right about that. It's pretty violent. But like but that's the thing, is that like where where you do follow Jesus and you start to have a level of dislike, there's something in you that goes, I'm not comfortable with this anymore. So you don't do those types of like, you you don't have follow every expression down its path. But like, okay. So Christians will follow the spirit in this particular matter, and then people who don't have the spirit will act like they don't have the spirit and probably have less discernment than you would appreciate. What are you gonna do? Yeah. Not that you're gonna bail? You're not gonna be in any other place where the people lack spiritual discernment? Because I mean, where are you gonna live, friend? Hasn't COVID taught us anything? It's real isolating to sit in your place and not be around everybody. And so, like, I guess, I let's I maybe maybe the encouragement is to say, why don't you look at the world with an eye for redemption? Yes. That's how Jesus looked at the world. Not for a not for an eye of failure. And Yeah. Right? And like, because it it's not how Jesus is looking at you. Well, because it's an because it's a duh. We've already done that. We've already established the failure part. We've moved on to the redemption. Like, Jesus only point he points out the failure so that you can understand redemption. And so, like, do you bail on like, hey, it's a community people, your whole your whole neighborhood gets out and they're all handing out candy. Nothing is particularly sinful or destructive. You just think there's some undertones

of which some generational curses got I don't know what I'm not even concerned sure what you're concerned about. Like, people aren't just gonna I've I've talked to like, I know it's a warlock. What if the witch I can't remember. The male witch. And like, they they think this Halloween thing is funny. Uh-huh. Like Yeah. These guys, they're like, they they they are doing negative spiritual things that I so want them to turn from. But like, it's not happening on that night. Yeah. They're not even invested in it. Like, it's once again, it's it's the the cartoonish version of evil

that you're running from. Right? Like if That's right. You're point you're you're chasing the pointy tailed devil. Correct. Which which doesn't exist. Like, one, you're you're you're you're undervaluing I wouldn't even wanna say valuing. You're underestimating evil. Right? You're making it like it's a like it's just a funny thing that could be laughed off. And what a better triumph of evil for you to think that. To think that it's not actually there's not a spiritual side of the world that we live in and there aren't, there there isn't something that's trying to tempt you away from God's goodwill. Right? Because that does exist. And if you think very light of it, and it could never happen to you, and it's not a big deal, and you could get involved with all this weirdness and it's not a thing, Well then, yeah. Yeah. It's a small victory and that's how it's done. That's why it's a sneak. A sneaky shrewd way of getting you to go, just not God. Just not my dad. Just not my creator. Anything but that. Right? And then you you wrap it all up and go, it's it's really this is what I'm gonna tell you, fellas. It's all wrapped up in this in this holiday where all the kids dress up as all different kinds of characters.

And then there's like these secret overlord undertones. Find someone that doesn't love Jesus and you'll never find them laughing faster. Then the whole premise you've just tried to introduce to them and it sounds like a big kakame me scheme. Right? You're like, what are you even talking about? My kid is a stick of gum. Look at him. He's literally wearing a stick of gum today, and that's his costume. And he's inviting the devil in? Oh, yes. Oh, yes. He is. I no, he is not. Right? They're gonna have a really hard time taking that in. So so once again, especially on the Halloween topic, if you have some kind of spiritual

conviction that you shouldn't have anything to do with this, I think you should bail on it. I got zero problems in this. Alright. Step out. Right. No judging on you. Right? Like if you're like, we don't wanna get involved in it, don't get involved in I think that's fine. But I think you should be real careful on what you're pointing out and like these weird undertones of things that don't actually exist. Right? It's we're just we're we're not doing that. Kids are out walking around as cartoon characters and cupcakes. And like, yeah, there's a couple weird bad apples or whatever they wanna dress as some kind something. A Satan costume from the Walmart and wore it around. That doesn't look like a biblical Satan at all. It looks like a Dante Satan, which is also fictional.

Yeah. Or like a Bugs Bunny Satan. Like, these are just not they're they're not serious. Right. These aren't serious challenges to the spirituality. I think the the fact that you're getting you wanna pray over that neighborhood as they walk? I think that's fantastic. Yeah. That's because you have an eye for redemption. Mhmm. Lord, redeem like, where I'd I mean, I never I never put a Satan costume on. I I I don't why? Why would you even like, I I would never dip a toe in something for any particular reason ever. But like, it's because I like, the spirit's in me and says, we just don't mess with that kind of thing. You've got groups that maybe you got a kid comes by in one of those things. He has no freaking clue. Yeah. Right. So pray for that kid. He's right for redemption. And give him some candy and and ask him for a joke. Yeah. It just it's yeah. I just feel like it's just a big swing and a miss. And I I feel like you guys are like, hey, why are you targeting me? This is my conviction. Understand

what you're saying. Right? And I I know you're trying to you're trying to represent not taking light something that is a serious consequence within our world. Right? But you have to you have to take it in through just outside your eyes to understand the broken blind world that we're living in. They don't actually believe all the stuff that you're saying. They don't don't actually think that dressing up as a power ranger is worshiping some kind of witch because actually, it's not. None of it is. They don't they don't believe it. They're not trying to perceive it that way. They're not trying to sell it to other people that way. You are. You're the one that's trying to do that. Yeah. They're not trying to scare the dead away. None of that. They're not trying to raise people from the dead. They just wanna wear a train costume, and their buddy is the train, and you're the front of the train, and they wanna laugh at it Yeah. And then get candy. Well, yeah. And I I guess, like, you should know, and this is bears it out on a lot of the the the surveys and stuff that we've we've looked at, is that like people are way more likely to be noncommittal than wrongly committed. Like, they're likely not to care. And so like, where you feel

where you look overzealous on something particularly silly that doesn't connect with them at all, like, that will be a barrier for them to meet Jesus. To be honest, it's gonna be bare oh, you mean I can't dress up as a vacuum salesman anymore for Halloween because of the lord of the the lord of the universe loves me? I'm missing it. Yeah. And so I yeah. Just this and and like this was tied up in a cup we were talking about some stuff before the show, like, just the amount of, like, hair splitting on doctrinal issues, which are, like, I I think smart people who love Jesus can talk out, but like, let's start with, you know, do I know who Jesus is and that I do I trust that he's good? And is the holy spirit doing work around me? So if those things are validation that like God is real and is good, maybe some of this other stuff is a little bit tertiary.

And we don't have to spend so much energy on it. Yeah. And maybe it's elevating ourselves to a stature that we don't actually have. Like Jesus tend to have when he was having scholarly debates, he would have them with scholars. Right. Right? Like, and especially if they were trying to use it in a way that was not glorifying or correct or or or loving towards humanity. We just he wouldn't he wouldn't tolerate it. Right? But like, he was not having the same philosophical debates

with the woman at the well. Correct. Right? Or the demoniac or anybody else that that that did not have the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit. You think it's possible he was just going as a nude man for Halloween? I'm going as a demoniac. Maybe this It was the first judgment on Halloween. That's it. We can only do this in the DeKeppros.

He was going as Adam. That's right. Yeah. Like, overall, it's it's it's it's

simple stuff here. Right? Like, let's let's couple Matthew five with the great commission and go, what are you supposed to be doing with yourself? What are you supposed to be doing on a day to day? And are you doing things that are pointing in that direction? And are you are you handing your will over to God and saying, holy spirit, I will take wherever you got me going and then doing that? Or are you getting chalked down in like weird I wouldn't even say weird because I'm sure they're important to you. But like philosophical debates

about one verse, two verse, broad broad ideas. Like, we're not talking about not protecting the integrity of scripture. Right? It's it's pretty solid and obviously, we live out of it. But at the end of the day, if you're trying to have these arguments out loud or you're spending all of your time doing this, then you're throwing five and the great commission right out the window and acting like your job was to be a pharisee who cleans the outside of the dish. That's what you're doing. You're cleaning up the outside of the dish. And it yes, it does apply to you. That's what's going on here. So I I I I really feel like and these are people I love and respect them. And I think they really love Jesus. And I think they're just veered off to the right in this weird self indulgence

of knowing things and and being able to talk to other people about what you know. And you're missing laying it all down and going holy spirit, I don't care what I know. You tell me what you want me to know and I will go do that. And God's heart has always been to seek and save the lost. Right? Doctor for people who need doctors. That kind of thing. That's that's God's area. And we're off in the weeds. I don't I don't know what we're doing. You're listening to Life From The Path. We just thought we'd open up with a sweet salvo that you can complain about. Here's up on the complaint line. Maybe you think, k, should we not, actually boy, I hate to even open this conversation. Maybe you think we shouldn't do Halloween. No one uses the chat. You think we're being flippant on it. I don't care. Complaint line is (515) 517-0085.

That's (515) 517-0085. I think the cons the broad consideration here is one, let's look at the world for restoration and let that even be within Christian circles. Okay? You got a guy that disagrees with you with you theologically. If he loves Jesus and the spirit's working his life, then let let's just call that 90% good. If you both point to the same scripture and you go, yeah, we definitely believe it.

We trust that it's God's word, and we trust that it's good, and we definitely believe it. We just are coming up with some different interpretations off that particular piece of scripture. Again, you're 90% down the road here, boys. And they're they're just just be careful of what you're really putting up a stink about. And then, like, is that where our energy needs to go into? Is is hand slapping and maybe warning against things that seem super real to you, but like are super fake to the people that are actually in it. Like, the the most dangerous person is looks is someone who looks at at something that says this is a risk to a different person.

Not me, but this is a risk to these people in this way. Like, And they may not even see the world in the same way that you're talking about. Do you know how many scripturally untrue things I've probably said about Jesus in my lifetime? You said seven tonight. Yeah. Yeah. Right? Right? Do I love Jesus, Ben? I've heard yeah. Yeah. Definitely. I agree. Have you seen the Holy Spirit do work in my life? Yes. I have.

Do you know how unfair it is to follow people around and nitpick that's fair. I'm telling you. I don't know how you're not seeing It's waiting for Jesus in a in a wheat field to see if he eats on a Sunday. Exactly. That is exactly what's happening. You and your long robes and your tassels are following the Lord of the universe around and his redneck homeless buddies and going, eat the wheat. I'm gonna get you. We're gonna nail you to the board so hard. That is literally what you're doing. You you're you're blind to it. You're not seeing it. And we're we're we're we're asking you, if if you're doing that, you see it correctly this week. See it that you're doing that and stop it. Yeah. And and so even just even as a tangible example, the first century Christians tried to go along with the shape of society. Daniel did this. Right? Like, you you see this in in Christian example or or Israelite example

of, okay, how do we go along with the shape of things that are going on around us? We don't have to, like, totally Mennonite or monk the thing. How do we live in this thing without otherwise sacrificing our integrity? And so, like, you know, when the when the the the emperors when the the the governments would say, hey, you you have to go and, you know, to sacrifice to the emperor. They're like, we'll make a deal. We'll go through the process, but we'll pray for the emperor, but to Yahweh. Does that work? Now they said no. Well, for some, some of them got away with it. Because like, the the thing was is that they're saying, we don't have to just blow everything up that we run into. Can it be redeemed? Can can this thing be redeemed? And they found ways to redeem it where they could. And so it's just I think you just gotta be careful as opposed to going, no. We have to bail out of anything that might contain any possible risk. We're talking about, hey, will you go in

and and worship the emperor? And they're like, no. We'll worship Yahweh, we'll pray for the emperor. Yeah? Yeah. Did I go? Yeah. Hey, we'll go on the we'll go on the Halloween thing, but no no no death costumes. We'll go we'll go to the statue ceremony. We can't sacrifice to it. That's right. We're certainly not gonna bow down to the thing. But, well, I mean, we'll go to the ceremony where it's going. Yeah. No big deal. That's right. We don't mind showing honor to to someone who is a leader of the it's just we can't do this. This is where the line is and we won't cross it. And so I think that's maybe the core thing is if your instinct is to bail, like, let's just start with can can this be redeemed first? Yes. You can redeem you can redeem a pagan holiday that then becomes something where we celebrate Jesus' birth. Redeemed. Can be. Not that so hold on though. They're like there's big old examples of people that blow it up all the time. John the Baptist is a blow it up kinda guy. He's a blow it up on the religious leaders specifically. And Caesar.

He didn't he didn't blow that's because that he claimed to be a religious leader. Right? That was his problem. He would have claimed to be the king of the Jews, he he John the Baptist wouldn't have gone and harassed him. There's plenty of other sinners in the world. He targeted him because he was a hypocritical religious leader. That's true. And like, I mean, now granted there wasn't a whole lot of ink spilled on John the Baptist here, but like, you don't see him holding Tuesday get together parties with the with the other religious leaders of the day. He's out there telling he's out there preaching the gospel and and and saying the kingdom is at hand. And then when other people, religious people show up to snood at it, he goes, what are you guys doing here? Yeah. Who told you this was going down? Yeah. Okay. I just I we can do better than this. And I feel like more of us are guilty of it than we think. So I think it's worth praying on and making I I'm not doing this about Halloween. I'm sure I'm doing this about something else. Probably some slick dressed preacher on TV or something. I'm like, this guy's the worst. But like honestly, I've probably in in in in in dealing with someone who's whose kid just died or who can't who has no idea who they are. I'm sure I've sent something that is probably not a 100% biblically accurate.

Right? It's not straight out of the scriptures. It's probably a twisting of acts whatever. And like, all of it was probably said with, Lord, just help give me the words for whatever's going on here because like this is I don't know I don't know how to speak to this well. Yeah. You know? And so like, I I yeah. Anyway, it's it's done. I'm done with it. Sorry. Alright. You're listening to life of the path. You know, I was looking and I don't know if I have anything else that I wanna yeah.

Actually, let's try this just real quick. There's an article called the Christian Post called the What to Believe About Issues Jesus Didn't Discuss. So this is interesting because Yeah. We have been my wife and I are going through a marriage book together. And like the hard part the hard part about using Jesus as an example is Jesus there's certain things Jesus didn't have to do.

So he did not have to work through being wrong. Like, because he was just inherently right. He was implicitly humble and gen and and and always right in his humility. I have to work through the notion of being wrong quite often.

And so, like, there there's just there's some of those things about, like, the human experience that, like, although Jesus went through the temptation and succeeded or, like, at least as a human in his human form was aware and and, like, knows what it's like to be a tempted human, he didn't have to deal with the aftermath of having succumbed to those in our in our fallible humanity. And like marriage is nothing if not a hotbed of succumbing to your human frailties, and then having someone be witness to it, all the time. And so anyway, it was it's one of this there's been a a few different things we're like, okay, can we in these types of situations, can we look to Jesus? Well, yes, we can. We think we have an example. However,

there's a plus there's a place where scripture actually doesn't address this type of thing through Jesus because Jesus never was in this particular situation. More

often than not, it's like, how do I handle being wrong or guilt or shame or things like this that Jesus wouldn't have experienced? And like some of the the New Testament letters and stuff can help address that, but it's it's just been interesting. Yeah. Anyway, this guy writes, it's by Joseph Bach Coleman. It says, a favorite argument of those trying to push the boundaries of Christian ethics is an argument from silence. It usually goes something like this. Jesus never talked about x, so that means he doesn't care. However, arguments from silence are a type of logical fallacy. The lack of evidence for something does not mean the gaps in our knowledge should be filled with assumptions. Furthermore, every parent who has heard their child say, you didn't see me do it, understands that those who depend most heavily on a lack of proof might not be prioritizing

the truth. Agreed. Every single one of my children who's taking candy and thinking I don't know about it. When it comes to the Christian life, arguments from silence are more than just sloppy thinking. They might also be evidence of a heart that is more interested in getting its own way than trying to live God's way. No. No. No. No. When we justify our morally questionable decisions with the argument from silence, we put the cart before the horse. So I guess, when is can you think of of situations where this is particularly happening? I see this happening on kind of major major major issues. So sexuality stuff and then like abort well, Jesus didn't talk about abortion. Well, I mean Yeah. Not specifically, but, know He never really talked about how to handle elevators. Yes. Agreed. Or how often to wash your hands. Yeah. In fact, I'll be honest with you. Jesus probably was not as frequent of a hand washer as you would have expected. Yeah.

Mhmm. The first instinct of a life surrender I'd say, instead of asking, is it okay if I do this? We should be asking, does God want me to do this? The first instinct of a life surrendered to God is to find out what he wants. Hey, let me think think of this question. You ever think of that before watching a movie? Not not I don't even care about the contents of the movie. It's it's a it's a g movie. It's a Muppet Christmas Carol. And you think yourself, does God want me to watch this? Yeah. Anything you I mean Yeah. He doesn't want me to do half the stuff I'm doing. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, did you really need to go to Walgreens? Well, no. No. Yeah. I mean, I could have I don't know. I feel like that that line of thinking actually turned me away from Christianity for, ten years. Oh. Right? Like, where where I was hypercritical of every move I was making. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And I was like, does God want me to do this? Is God involved in this? Is God gonna slow this traffic down so I can cross this road? Mhmm. Obviously, if he doesn't slow the traffic down and I don't cross the road, then he doesn't want me there. And, like, it was it was driving me insane. Like but I was, like, 10 at the time. I I kinda look at this. It's in in Revelation, is it 12 where

John's supposed to eat the the scroll and it's sweet, but then it's bitter. And I was kinda talking about that the other day, talking about how it's it's like the the word of God is so sweet. You you you you soak it in and it's nuggets and you're like excited and you're like, yeah, this is good stuff. But then turns a little sour at some point, you're going, yeah, but I'm not living it, you know, and it starts getting a little bitter. Or just society, bitterness I think is,

you know, I can't always appreciate a good tune, you know. And there might be good musicians, they might have a great beat, and I might love the music, but then I hear the message and it just turns it sour for me. Yeah. Know, don't know that's what what you're going with here, but but with the movies, that that's how I am. Like, I might

want to enjoy a movie and then I can't. I just can't sometimes. And I'm like, why did I watch that? You know, it was like, just because the message so often. Even though it's good quality, good acting, good artist, you know, everything. Yep. It it just it turns bitter,

in my soul because I'm thinking, other people are are are just soaking this stuff in, you know. Hey, this is how you live. This is how you do marriage. It's like, no, it's not. It's not at all. Yeah. Right. Right. Actually, I was I was sitting down to this this afternoon and was gonna fold some laundry and I thought it was a big pretty big pile. I said, I'm gonna find something on the old Netflix. Mhmm. And like, probably searched for five minutes and I thought, I I don't I don't know. I I don't know if I click on any of these things. Yeah. And so I left it. I just ended up and I just turned the TV off, full laundry in silence. And I thought, man, I just I didn't see it going this way. I just told my wife yesterday, I said, we had really really ought to cancel our Netflix just because we're we're we're paying for this bitterness. Right. For everyone else to be able to enjoy it. I'm like, but then it's not bitter to them. They're just getting the sweetness

and it's gonna turn bitter. So so I'm this article didn't quite go the way I wanted. I mean or that I was expecting. He says he continues on, the God of the Bible demands daily submission for his glory and our pleasure because he loves us and understands that our sinful desires promise joy and satisfaction, but deliver neither. Even Jesus who is fully God and an equal member member of the trinity was primarily focused on what God the father wanted him to do. As Jesus said, truly truly, I say to you, the son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the father doing. For whatever the father does, that the son does likewise.

It is folly to build our moral view of the world around what Jesus did not explicitly talk about. After all, Jesus didn't say anything about sexual assault or flying planes in the skyscrapers, yet we can still know what God thinks about them. As Christians, our desire should be to think biblically about everything. Even though the Bible doesn't provide explicit instructions on every issue or question we may encounter in life, the answers are not difficult to find if we actually want to find them. Yeah. It's a it's a it's an inerrant view of what scripture designed to do anyway. Right? Like it's not not a handbook. You wouldn't say errant. It's an errant view. It's an inerrant view. No. Inerrant, that means No. That's the opposite of what you're going for. It's a wrong view. I don't know that. Otherwise, I would've used it right the first time. I know. I had corrected you. Get out of your stubbornness.

It's errant. I'll say Wrong. I'll say errant. It's a wrong. It's an errant view. No. That's not right. It's a guy it's a fellow's name. It's a fellow's name. Okay. It's wrong. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. It's a wrong understanding. Mike is errant. It's it's it's a wrong understanding of what scripture was designed to do. And even not all of scripture. Right? Like in between books, right? Like like they're designed to be to specific audiences, written in a specific way, crafted in a way, and and like your Bible is way more on purpose than you're giving it credit for. And and if if because it's on purpose, then you can look and say, was this designed to be a step by stick moral handbook of how to make a decision in everyday life? No. No, it's not. No. Yeah. And so if you show up asking that out of it, you're gonna come up with, well, Jesus didn't speak to this correctly. Jesus wasn't trying to speak to it correctly, and so he didn't. Or you have him saying things that he didn't say, but but making him say, well, he would have said this.

You can scroll through, social media and find five people who say Jesus would get immunize immunize. Yeah. And five people say he wouldn't. Yeah. And it's like, well, I don't I don't know that I can agree with either of you. I don't know what he would have. I don't know. I really don't know. Yeah. Well, and like, I I I think that's a that's a good broad broad point, which is like all scripture, like no scripture that that I think was actually designed that way. Like even the look we at the Old Testament laws and we say there's so many. I'm like, so many, but like, it it doesn't it's actually a different structure of law. Our law codes, the way that we look at law nowadays, is exactly what we think. Like, it will list list down to like the tiniest detail

what's a crime, what's not. And like, if it's not explicitly listed as a crime, then you can't be convicted of it. Like, it's a very technical technicality type of law situation. Yeah. The Bible wasn't and most ancient Near East law codes were not either. They weren't designed they expected that people

would take broad principles and then apply them. And then like, the reason the laws kept getting like every this is what happens in in Leviticus, is that like, God would give a set of laws, some basics one basic ones, that there'd be a narrative where the people would go out and they do a bunch of crap wrong because they weren't interpreting these broad notions, and then God would get more specific. And like, it would start to drill down, and that's how you ended up even with the hundreds of laws that they had. It was still not near enough Mhmm. To be able to, like, govern everyday life. It God always expected that wise people would consider principles

and then apply them, and it always took human weighing and saying, well, okay. It doesn't say anything about flying build like planes into skyscrapers, but it says you can't even have anger in your heart. And so, okay, I think we've got an application that one, this is murder, and it was done with anger. And so we can start to understand principles of how God looks at something like this. So, yeah, I I think it's asking the wrong thing out of scripture. And I suppose the core thing is and we we don't like this because it introduces risk. Anytime you feels like you're putting into a human's hands,

like to say, well, if Jesus didn't say it explicitly, now that's just your interpretation. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So here's the thing is what does that echo? Right? What does that phrase echo from, say, the book of Genesis? Or when Jesus is out in the desert. What did what God didn't really say or Jesus didn't really say. Right. You know, like, Jesus didn't really speak to it. Okay. What's that sound like? It sounds like an invitation not to trust the goodness of God. That's what it sounds like. And like, once again, I think I think the the character of God is revealed enough in scripture.

And and really, if you're honestly struggling, I better have heard that you're praying on this thing. Right? Before you just shoot from the hip and go, well, I checked the moral guidebook of which it's not of the Bible, and it didn't speak specifically to this. So I guess I'm good to go. I guess I'm good to go ahead and roll. And so, like, honestly, if if you're following the character of God and God's heart on this thing and asking the holy spirit for guidance, I've not seen once God let you down and bail on you and go. I see that you're about to choose sin out of complete lack of understanding on on your part. I would like to leave you to that. That is the exact opposite of everything the scripture talks about. So that's hard to take in. Yeah. I would I say like, of the types of things that people fight over from scripture and say,

where they're saying, well, Jesus says like meant this or Jesus intends this. Like, almost none of them are resolved on real technicalities. They're like like a core we were talking about this before the show started too, is that like but just think of some people that I I I think are are walking a path that is that is destructive to them.

And like my basic questions to resolve the way that they are now viewing the world are really focused around, is is God real? And if he's real, is he good? Because if he's those two things, now now we're just talking about, like, broad questions, like, does he say to do this thing or that thing? Like, there's always a focus. There's always a place. And like, more often than not, it's not a disagreement over what the scripture said. It's a disagreement over whether you want to particularly apply that scripture. But if God is real and he's good, then you have no choice but to apply it. And so, like, it's really the core question. Past that, like, you wanna talk about underlying definitions of words or, like, how do we extrapolate the notion of being a

turning the other cheek and but also like standing firm for the gospel and not getting not getting trampled on. Like, these are things that require study. Looking at the wholeness of Jesus' life and the reactions of Christians and prayerful thought

and and and and wisdom, sure. But like, you know, it's it's generally not so it's generally not so technical. Like, it's almost always breaks at, there's something I wanna do and I think I've got enough wiggle room to do it, which is what the article is getting at. Is that like, are you looking are you looking to snuggle as far up to a line that that that God has said for good? Or are you trying to run as far away from evil as possible? And say, look, if this even sniffs like this, because that's what the Sermon on the Mount stuff sounds like, not whether you actually killed your brother, but you were even angry at him. Like, that's that's seeing where the line was from from the 10 words and then going, boy, how do I get as far away from that as I can? I repent of my anger. And then I don't even get near it.

How do I get as far away from adultery as I can? You don't even look at somebody else lustfully. You just get away from it. And so, like, the the even the notion of how Jesus gives parameters and paradigms of which to live are always saying, you know the thing that's gonna destroy you. Here's what it looks like to stay the crap back. And if you're trying to snuggle, like, sneak under the line and get as close to as possible, then I would I would I would say that your heart's in the wrong spot.

And you're and you're putting risk because where God said something is good, why would you tempt, like, trying to grab a hold of something that was not good? Like, that's foolishness. Dang. Alright. Let's close that one. Good. Let's close that one out. We're done? Yeah. Let's do let's do some advice and let's call it day. I feel like we yelled at everybody today. I yelled at people last time. Actually, I didn't even get I am I I lost the show. I don't know what I did with the last week's show when I yelled at Booba.

Oh, that's too bad. I I mean, it's still on the computer. I I'll I'll pick it up this week. Maybe we'll get them double posted. Think that'd be a classic. Yeah. The classic. Dear Die From the Path. I recently attended a funeral with my mother's family. While I was visiting, one of my aunts confided that my mother cheated on my father while they were married. I'm sure my father has no idea about the affair. My parents divorce was extremely ugly. My mother told us many things about our father that I now know are lies. Among them, they had fathered other children, was a pedophile, and had hidden bank accounts full of money in other countries. Because of her lies, my siblings idolize our mother and loathe my father. I think I could change their minds if I told them about her affair. I know the man she had the affair with and could prove what I'm saying. I hate hearing my siblings drag dad's name through the mud for things he never did, knowing my mother continues to manipulate their emotions and opinions. Should I tell my siblings about her affair? I'm gonna say the same thing to you that I say to just about everybody.

We don't hide true things. I'm not really sure your motivation here. I think I I I think it does matter. And I think, yes. There's just no reason to hide the true things. A thing happened and you can say a thing happened. I think you gotta make sure that you don't weigh it in trying to trying to shove the truth around and guide it on its final destination.

But like, would I want to know that? Yeah. What a guy that I've I've I've hated for twenty years and to find out it was all a lie and I was fooled into thinking a thing? Yeah. Think I would wanna know that. Yeah. Yeah. Like, what's the roll it up to to a more general question.

Do you have a responsibility to come to the defense of people who are being maligned by things you know to be untrue? Yeah. It's how we answer all lies with truth. Yeah. Like, do we have a reason to if a if a lie is permeating and doing work,

do we have a do we have any good reason to throw truth out there and let truth do work? Yeah. I don't know. I can't guide the work. Can't say what work is gonna do or not do. But I feel like truth gets to gets to live. Yeah. Revealing the affair though has nothing to do with the falsehoods about the ex husband. I think you come to the defense of the ex husband of your dad and right?

Yeah. The dad. Mhmm. And and and maybe you can say, hey, I I you know, mom's not everything. You know, there's two takes two to tango here. They both have fault. Mom's not the angel you think she is. He's not the devil you think he is. Maybe we should work on a relationship, you know. Try to try to go positive. I don't know if that helps to tear her down. That doesn't necessarily build him up. So I the thing is though is like, are you really tearing her down? You're just saying a thing that happened. She tore herself down when she cheated on him. But I mean, I I don't know that that helps any of this. Now you have two crappy parents. Don't you think it sets the precedent for how trustworthy her word could be? Yeah. I think that's the reason you would the only reason that they would think about saying it is that, like, if they believe all these lies that the mom told, the only I I think the thought is is the only way to get them to reverse that thinking is they found out that their mom was not credible. I would do that as a tourist resort maybe. But I would I would

yeah. Would try to get that truth across. My mom is not reliable. Don't You you think someone can say, so say why? Yeah. Yeah. That's it. I'm just trying to think. Why not? I know what you're So, oh, okay. Now. I mean, here's the thing is you're trying not to bust out as some kind of gossip hound. And be like, I got a new piece of information blah blah blah blah. But like this one's pretty

pretty changing to the situation. Yeah. Right? Like a guy that you thought was a pedophile had a million dollars stashed away in five other families come to find out that none of that was true, and he's like, he tried to tell you and you didn't listen because you were getting fed bad information from over here. I could I could totally attest to this. This has totally happened to me in my life where someone's lying to me and I didn't know for years. And then someone tells me the truth and I'm like, you gotta be kidding me. You know, it changed the way the whole thing Oh, yeah. Yeah. Looked. I mean, it definitely does. And and I think you need to work on trying to restore some relationship to dad. You think it's not necessary to pump out this bit of information? Think it's apples and oranges. I just I just think it's like

I I would never that would be down down the road. I I would say like, hey, guys. I I've heard stuff. I don't know. I'd to think about it more how I approach it. But but it would be like, I'm I I have credible evidence that his dad is not everything mom says he was, and mom is not everything she says she was. Details, I don't know if that important. There's no way your brother would take this half hearted political speech from you. Don't possible way. I seriously my brother said that to me. I said, what the heck are you even talking about? I'm just saying, do I need to know that that that she had an affair with John over there? I mean, I don't know about bringing in the third guy and being like, verify this. That's kinda weird. Well, but I I think that is what happens though is that like if you because there's a lot of guilt behind the narrative if you have it wrong. If you've been mistreating your dad. And so like, people are not gonna be very quick to let it go Yeah. That that they were wrong in what they've done. And so, like, I I I think that's the gap is that, like, bless it if there's any possible way that you don't have to say this and the relationship with the dad can be restored.

I don't see one path that where someone goes, hey, mom can't be not everything she said was true. And they're gonna but they obviously think it's true. They this this protest had to have come up already from dad. And so, like, to change their minds, they're gonna need to to understand something has to fundamentally shift what they believe. And like that that you don't ultimately end up at this point just seems astronomical to me. Maybe that you're gonna He ends with a conversation with mom saying, hey, you need to tell the kids. Oh, she's dead. Isn't it her funeral? I thought it her friend's family of her mom. Or was it that her mom Mother's family.

Oh, the mother's still alive. Yeah. Yeah. I'd start with mom and say, you need to come clean. Yes. Always best. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. This changes the the terms a little bit. Thought the mom too? Yeah. I thought the mom was dead. Oh, yeah. If mom's dead, yeah. It's a different story. Okay. Yeah. There's no reason you shouldn't have this conversation with mom and let her disseminate true things and say, Now, dude, are you how do you feel about an ultimatum here? You need to tell them where I'm going to. I feel that way about true things.

I think we had that conversation when it was about the brother. Remember there was a there was something about a brother and and somebody knew about it. The brother knew about it, An affair that the other brother was having and he was trying to decide whether he could tell the wife or something. And I say, yeah, you pump it out. And I say, yeah. Yeah. The truth is that like the the the deed is done. The truth the truth is already true. This poor woman just isn't aware of it. Yeah. I'm gonna plan I'm plan a family weekend with all of us. I'm gonna give you two days to come clean. And if you don't do it, I am. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's fine. Yeah. We we need we need to know this as a family. Okay. Secular says,

before I answer your question, ask yourself why your aunt provided that information to you. Were her motives pure or does she dislike her sister? I don't think it matters. You say your father has no idea that your mother may have cheated, yet you recognize that their divorce was extremely ugly. Could infidelity infidelity have had anything to do with it? And if so, whose? You also stated that your mother has spent years accusing your father of things he never did. The term for that is parental alienation. Oh, for heaven's sakes. Manipulating children like that is unhealthy because it gives them a skewed vision of what to expect from their own relationships. Lying to people is bad. Yes. You say you can prove what your aunt told you is true. To that, I can only ask how. Has it been confirmed by your mother's supposed lover? If it has been confirmed, I see no reason why you shouldn't disclose to your siblings what you were told. But unless you are a 100% certain that it's true, my advice is to keep your mouth shut and let your aunt be the one who delivers the news. Let's make aunt the gossip.

Yeah. I mean, I don't care if you if you say if it feels like it's better for the ant to go to the mom. It's her sister. Hey. Now the kids know. You need to tell everybody directly or I'm gonna Okay. So here's don't care if the ant does it. Here's the problem with my brain my my train of thought here is because I my my rational thinking says,

truth always gets to come out. It doesn't matter. Right? But it's I was trying to think if there was an occasion in which I'd say, let's bury the truth. In this situation, I would say, this truth is hurting people and needs to come out. We need to tell people. On the other hand, if an and a donor had paid for your college twenty years ago, and I found out that it was my uncle that had done it, and he wanted to remain anonymous, I would honor that and not let the truth come out even though I knew the difference.

So where in that thought process does does the truth get to come out, and where in the thought process does the truth get to shade? I'm suppose it's a human it's a notion of is this is this continuing to cause

is this causing harm? Yeah. Is it bringing negative in this situation? Actually, think actually, but let me be more precise. Is it causing sin?

And I think in this instance, it is. It is causing it's the lie is continuing to play out in such a way that it is causing other the lie that is causing a lie to be perpetuated. Let's say a guy wanted to know who the donor was and he never was able to find out because someone wouldn't share it. There's no sin caused from there. The guy's just missing some information. But like the relationship with the dad

is misunderstood and then reacted to, like the the father is not being honored. And people are continuing to perpetuate and tell that lie. And

because it the the truth was not told. And so I think that that feels different to me. Jesus didn't speak to this directly though. So I get to do what I want. Do I feel like, Dan, you're struggling because to to to try to reveal the actual truth, you're basically have to impugn someone's character to get it going. I guess. Is it possible to to not do I mean, what's your motivation in doing that? Is it just like I'm gonna show her?

I mean, or is the goal to do some healing? Because Right. All I need to know is mom wasn't truthful for me to go, well,

I mean, the fact that she had an affair doesn't mean that she That's right. Even a a guy you catch lying doesn't mean they lied about every single thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's just saying, well, she's out having an affair. Maybe everything else she said was still true. You know you know, this I just don't see how the connection. Yeah. That's true. He could be a pedophile whether the mom is telling the truth or not. It's a but like, I suppose the question is is like, do you think he's a pedophile because you saw pictures of him dating young Bois or because mom said it? Yeah. I actually That's why the mom's character matters is if they believe all these things based upon the fact that she said them, now you're trying to clarify, well, if that's all you got going for, she's not trustworthy. Yeah. But that would be good to know. Right? I I I think you're right. The the flow of decision making needs to run first. You need to go talk to your mama. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And say, look, you've been lying to me because it's it's time to straighten this out. You can ask some logical questions. Dad has millions of bucks. Have you seen evidence of that anywhere? Right.

He likes little boys or little girls. Have you seen evidence of that? That's right. He's running without with ball intervention. Carousel in the backyard and a monkey monkey? Exactly. No. That was somebody else. That was yeah. Somebody else. I mean, yeah. Does all this add up? Like, and stuff that you really believe about somebody in the heat of the moment when you're mad at them, you're like, yeah. He's probably all those things. And then like, you start thinking about it and going, this don't line up at all. Yeah. Right. Right. Because when he was living with us, he drove like an '84 Buick and smoked Morley's. Exactly. You know what I'm saying? I'm not sure he'd be doing that. Like, what's he holding out for? He's like 92. I'll eat it. Right. He could have made a clean break with all of his millions years ago without all this hassle. Yeah. Yeah. And in the divorce, she got nothing? It's and he had all the millions stashed away. Was he got the best attorney ever?

Yeah. Yeah. That yeah. Things are panning out. Yeah. So either way though, I think it's okay. Like you don't you don't have to bury things. Yeah. But like, as someone who has potentially harming news that of which you may personally benefit from its spreading, you got to be, I mean, triple careful and prayerful that you are handling this in a humble way that for the most part takes you out of it. Because I don't know that I could. I I'd use that as a weapon. Yeah. Yeah. Agree. And it's it's not it's irrelevant. That's why I think I might leave it to the ant. Yeah.

Maybe it's to say, look, I I don't know if I I thank you for sharing. I think whether that's my family needs to know. But to be honest, I'm a little too close to it. I think I may not use it wisely, this information. And so, but I do think it needs to come out. Will you follow-up with my mom? Yeah. Yeah. And what's the odds like someone who's lied to you their whole life is gonna turn around and whoop out the truth now just because you brought it up?

They made a whole lifetime worth a lion. Right. I suppose you give them the chance. I'd give them a shot at it. Yeah. Hey, man. I heard this thing. And like, you hate to grind someone who refuses to tell the truth, but like, here's the thing. I think the truth does matter, especially when someone's on the other side of it. And so if she refuses to do if if the ant says, look, you gotta share, and then the ant shares, and, like, maybe you gotta go find the guy. Or maybe it doesn't matter. But like, it it should at least, like, it should have its day. Yeah. The truth should have its day. Alright. Last one. Ready? Yep. Dear life from the path. Can you help to illuminate people on what is proper etiquette after the passing of a loved one? We recently had a death in our family. As we were trying to say our goodbyes and get in touch with immediate family, the word got out. Within an hour of the passing, the news was all over social media. We barely had time to react, let alone inform all of our family members. Many of them learned about it from these posts. Imagine finding out a loved one passed away from a non family member social media posting.

It made an already painful situation even more so. People were hurt that they weren't informed before it was plastered all over the internet. Could you also point out that if you are the person who made the post from which someone found out about the death of a family member, rather than get defensive and say, I'm not the only one who posted it or I wasn't the first to say something, just kindly offer your condolences and maybe an apology. Yeah. I mean, that's it it is a little bit tough Yeah.

Because they control those things. Because people wanna they don't wanna forget to come back to it. They wanna show their sympathy. I mean, I think we do treat death a little bit passively on social media, but I, you know, it's I think just a symptom. But I find it disingenuous when people say, like rip or give it the rip. Yeah. Well, they're like, I'm sorry to hear about the passing of of Doris McClellan because they typed it and didn't handwrite it with Quillen Quillen? No. Because they typed it and sent it out to a bunch of people who don't know who Doris McClellan is. Why don't you They they wanna be the first to make the Why don't you call Doris McClellan's family and offer your condolences and then let it be done? It feels like the wrong time. There's a lot of funeral planning going Well, wait.

It doesn't mean you gotta pop something out right now. Yeah. This isn't about you. It's about Doris McClellan. I would encourage family or people to always wait for family to make an announcement like that, and then you can say something. But you can't if your family and somebody else did it first, I mean, you can't control a tidal wave. I mean It just seems once again, it seems so disingenuous to me. Like, because the whole point is to offer condolences to the people who are still living. Yeah. So you can totally do that on a personal level. Even if you still wanna do it on the Internet, do it over a a text message or whatever. But like, you doing it in front of a thousand of your friends

is just so they can see that you've done it. Yeah. Hey, look. That guy's cool. He offered a condolence. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. Okay. So I think Dan's Dan's suggestion is the right one. General etiquette means I wouldn't like, if you're ever gonna talk about someone's death on a social media, I would like, share the post from the family or something. Yeah. Like, it's not your responsibility to do it. You don't wanna take their words away or give them the chance to control

how and what is said. Because, like, you never know how people are receiving that news. You don't know what the relationship was with the deceased. You don't know what might what might have gone on in the background. And like, it's just it's there's no reason for your you to be associated with it. And it could honestly be a close friend who was closely associated with the situation

that they're just grieving out loud, not even thinking, his aunt Bertha might not know about this. Yeah. And and it, you know, they they should have held back but but they didn't think, you know. You So could have a little grace on both sides there. And I'm coming from this from an angle where I received a call from my mom's maid once and said, who said I'm really sorry to hear about your mom. I'm like, well,

but she have a bad dinner? I mean, know, Right. She knew she was dead before I did. Right. And no and it wasn't social media but it was just like and she was just genuinely sorry, you know. She wasn't like, let me be the one to tell you. Right. You just don't know. You don't know where people are at. Some people will do it to get, you know, the attention to get, oh, they're the first one I heard from John about Susan. But but some people are just genuinely like, oh, man. They're just saying it out, grieving out loud and and mean, you figure people that close to the situation who would grieve to that depth

would have a little bit they'd be a lot closer to the situation. Right? Like Yeah. Yeah. And have a little I I don't know. Maybe I'm just mistrusting of folks, but like, when you it's the same thing with people with, like, talking to people they're in a relationship with about how much they love them over social media. You're sitting right next to them or you know their phone number. It's just weird. It seems weird to me that you're having like a two person conversation in front of 600 people. Yeah. Same thing with the condolences. Like, you mend them, you would just tell me, you know, or you would call the people. I'm I'm trying to think back of how I don't even remember how I responded when Buva's dad passed away. Yeah. And there was a handful of us in the hospital. So there are handful of us knew about it, and of course,

his sons were there and and wife. I don't even remember. I have no idea. If if, maybe that was before, you know, we were definitely heavily involved in social media. I don't know if I waited a day. I don't know if I wait. I'm I hopefully waited I don't even remember. Yeah. I might have seen him in a private But you were really close to that situation though. Yeah. He he was, you know,

yeah, still warm. I mean Right. It was it was it was a lot of stuff was happening in the hospital room. And so I I could see a situation where I could go out. I don't think I did, but or I might have did it within our church group, then some of them saw it and said, oh, no. And then they post, you know, I I could see how things can get out of control quickly Yeah. Is my point. I well, that's the thing. It probably doesn't take much to slip through the cracks and like A friend of a friend of a friend, Nehru, and I knew him and I know I had lunch with him once.

So I don't know. I don't know. I don't know how to answer The farther away that you get from, like, the actual relationship with the person. I think the thing that I'm struggling with is like, it's not about you at all. Right. Right? It's about the person that passed away and their and their family and their very Let close them Right? And like your six people removed from this, like you met them once and they were cool and like you're like, oh, I'm so sorry they passed. But like, does that really need to go out as a public announcement on your friend group on social media? It's not about you. Right. Just be quiet. It's just it's there's just an inherent selfishness in there that I'm that I'm missing. Mhmm. Right? Like you you didn't know them that well, but you did like them and they were cool and you're sorry that they passed away and you feel sorry for their family. Well, tell their family.

Right? Don't tell everybody you know. They don't know them. You're already six people out. Yeah. I always have that problem to be honest with even like writing in cards. Yeah. Like, it makes me feel like like it's grandiose.

Like, I'm trying to wordsmith something that I would be proud to have written. Mhmm. I'm like, this is it This will touch their hearts. Yeah. Yeah. Like I like yeah. I don't know. Like, I'm very it's odd because generally speaking, I'm a pretty decent writer. But when it comes to, like, having to write a note like that or something in a card, like, I can't do it. Yeah. Because it all because it feels like posturing to me. I have my wife and kids do it. Like, my oldest daughter and my wife are good at that kind of thing. They can just kinda write something out. And like at the mean, they they do it well. I just I I really struggle with it because it like, I just don't nothing that feels like posturing. I don't ever comment on something of any substance on Facebook for that very reason. Like,

I don't feel like this is gonna be about my words, and I don't really care. Yeah. Don't care to do that. Yeah. Yeah. So I would so I would I would say, restraint caution is is is probably key here. When in doubt, communicate,

privately for one. Don't assume that you're you're the Paul Revere here who's making sure the world knows.

If CNN wants to break the story, it'll show up. Otherwise, maybe let the family handle it. Mhmm. Because you just never know what you're walking into, and you're not doing them a service unless they tell you. Unless they say, hey, will you let everybody know? Then you're doing them a service. But don't don't assume that the people haven't thought of, oh, hey, I need to tell other other people. They've thought of it. They probably just have not chosen you.

And so just, you know, wait it out. Yeah. Okay. Secular says, please accept my sympathy for your loss. I'm sure that feelings are raw because people are hurting, but real but please realize that because of social media, news travels like wildfire. For a friend to be told and then to post the sad news wouldn't be unusual these days. However, to heed something like that off before it happened, the person who spilled the beans should have asked the friend to keep the news private until all family members were personally informed. That said, since there were hurt feelings, apologies are in order. Yeah. I don't know if I'd make someone apologize. I you know, like I I it's it's one of those things where

you hope people get it right, but there just really isn't much of a consequence for getting it wrong because there's no value in rectifying it. Right. No one's coming back to life. The news is not being sucked back into the vacuum. The ship has sailed, and so I I would actually just let it go. Yeah. Yeah. It's already done. Yeah. Okay. Hey. You've been listening live from The Path. We really appreciate you hanging out with us, tonight. Hopefully, you've been waiting with bated breath for the next, episode of the show, and I owe you two. And so I'm gonna grab them both tonight. We'll try to get these popped out for you here in the next day or so so that you may go home and enjoy them. And let's see. If you got any comments for us, feel free to give us a shot on the complaint line. That's call or text (515) 517-0085.

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