Live from the Pathway Studios in Johnston proper. You are live from Path. And you are listening to no. Live from the Path coming from the Pathway Studios here in Johnston proper. I'm gonna okay. Okay. I'm gonna kick us off with I I'm not gonna make it. I told you the last show, there was, like, a really big live from the Path surprise,

and I promise you, it requires I my already told people. Mike, they text me and asked me. And you gave it away? Yeah. I folded like a cheap piece of cheese. Oh, come on. Alright. Anyway, wait. So do I should I just let the cat out to you? No. Haven't said anything. Okay. I'm loyal. Yeah. Stone cold. Anyway, so I'm I'm this requires my effort and and my ignorance, and so I'm working on it. And so just give me give me, like, maybe another week. I think I'm gonna have this thing pulled together. Stop texting people about it, Mike. Yeah. They text me. I can't help it. Gosh. The fans. We all wanna know, Connor. Can't I can't tell

us your secrets. Unbelievable. Wrongs aka. Anyway, hey, you're listening live from The Path. Thanks for hanging out with us this evening. So there's, I was pretty straightforward show today. Sometimes there's big things that happen in the culture and like, are not, we're probably not the podcast to come to for like a full diagnostic

always of the events of the day, in my mind, like there's a lot of people who are more, this is gonna sound bad fellows, who are more informed or whatever, like we're talking about like the stuff, more passionate Yeah, about about the events themselves, where they hang with us is where,

kind of like how do you react to it? It's funny, if every game, every game and almost all conversations on Life From The Path say, here's an event, how should we think about that? Like it's basically the notion of presented with there are multiple people acting multiple ways or reacting to these circumstances. How do we look at that through, it's kind of a what would Jesus do situation,

and that's basically, this is us talking it out. We informed the interpreter. Yes, and so Charlie Kirk was assassinated, it was on the tenth, what is today, the fifteenth? Yes, about five days ago. And so we're not gonna go look at the information we have about the thing is gonna be stale by the time you hear it in the morning from us. And so like, we're not really gonna do all of that, but I do wanna spend some time. I think it's interesting, like the reactions

to this and I had some cautions actually just watching how people were reacting. There were some things where I was like, I don't, we be careful And they're not all that, but anyway, I'm interested just as you guys are digesting

and seeing within your context of the people that you're talking with and just kind of your reactions to that. So we're just spending a little bit of time with that and it's not, if you have thoughts that you wanted to share or whatever, you can always use the complaint line (515) 517-0085 call or text. I would love to hear from you about it. I just, I think there's a risk in here,

both of action and inaction, and so I think I want to, we'll chat through that a little bit. Also, we've got some, a couple of different ask the pastors from the complaint line, Cody was talking about why is basically why is Ezekiel eating parchment, eating scrolls? And so I'll share his question and then we can try to address that. And then Abouvo is making his way through Daniel, hit Daniel 12 and we've got named angels and stuff. Yeah. It's not the first time it happened today. Believe Michael is the angel that is named. Yep. You get that, I believe, starting at the day of nine. But it's it's it's an interesting word that's used. It's a a prince of the people. It's like think the word is like sar in Hebrew, and it's just I I'm I'm struggling on how to understand the concept of, like, what that means for an apocalyptic writing, how I'm to take that in

in light of other portions of the bible. Like, there's a Jeremiah quote, I think, 15, where there's, like, a Gabriel named angel, same in Job. I think there's a named angel. I mean, not Job. Anyway, somewhere else, there there's they're named archangel type prince dudes or things. And I'm just trying to, like, understand how to not look at angels the way that, like, the last two thousand years of culture

and church understanding and Hollywood have made me understand angels. Yep. Versus like, what's a good biblical understanding of what I'm talking about here, what I'm looking at here. Yeah. And I guess I'm just maybe it's it's it could be a broader question of like, how am I to take in a thing like this? Yeah. Or what's a good place to start kind of question. Yep. Or if y'all have a quick answer to go, hey. Don't think about it this way. Think about it this way. And there you go. Yeah. So that's that's kind of the the realm. He has his own office.

Michael has an office. Yeah. And they call him. And he flies like Superman. He doesn't need the wings. That's for show. Uh-huh. These and here's what else you need to know about him. He wears an he wears an earpiece so the lord can speak to him at all times. Yeah. Yeah. And dispatch him and his boys. Yeah. Yeah. Isn't there, like, another angel that, like, is

talks to David about, like, your your prayer no. Maybe it's David. David. Your prayers have been, like, stopped for a moment, but I've been on my way to deliver this message to you or deliver That's Daniel. Daniel. Sorry. Not Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So same situation. Mean Yeah. Yeah. I suppose that was nine. So thing I was talking about. Okay. So what's gonna be interesting I think my answer is probably gonna surprise you, but we'll wait till we get there. That's why I wanted to ask is because I have a feeling that I could probably dig into this for, you know, sixty years. Yeah. And but if if you guys have gotten to a point where, like, there's a thing that's been unlocked for you, whether it's spirit of wisdom or wisdom of the spirit or Are you are you saying it's not the office thing? Wisdom unlocked. Well, yeah. I mean, I I don't I feel It's our spin off show. I'm making that statement because never mind. We don't we're not gonna Yeah. All saying is like I feel like as I continue on in in my walk with Christ, my level of understanding in certain things has been wholeheartedly unlocked in certain ways. And I think that part of that is very much like I've just done it more, but I don't I I I feel like part of it is just like I'm I'm I'm stronger in my in my faith and ability to, like, have a relationship with my father. And there's a level of, like, the spirit teaches us of I think there's a knowledge that's been

imparted on me much more than it was four years ago, two years ago, a year ago. Yeah. And and I that's one of the ways that I guess I've kind of been programmed to talk about that, guess, is what I meant by that. So Yeah. Okay. Anyway. I just sorry. Had a real curious moment. Is that, where does the where do we why do we talk about the spiritual walk? Where does that come from? Walk in the spirit? Spirit? Yeah. Isn't that Romans eight? Is it?

I was like, about being It's near Galatians? Walking in the spirit. No. What's the quote? Okay. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Walk by the spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. I thought it was from in the garden. Walk where you you think it came from the hill? Yeah. Yeah. Andy. Walking. Enoch walked with the lord. Yeah. Yeah. I hope the lord walks fast, and Enoch's like, okay. I have I have littled eggs. Thank you very much. Lord. Hey, slow it down. Slow it down. I'm sorry. I am very low. Okay. I'll be honest with you. This is what triggered it is because Moova said something in my spiritual walk, I thought, what if Jesus runs?

Paul talks about race. Is that like a five k? Dude, if if Jesus runs out, we gotta figure out a post resurrection body that's gonna be rejected without me. Oh. It certainly ain't me now. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't say he came out of the tomb and was burning laps. Everybody like, I feel so good. Need some fish, though. Yeah. Need a protein. 100% Jesus died. Alright. Doing a beach run. Okay. Alright. A

little salty for instance. Alright. Let's see here. I'm on the road to Emmaus. Get get moving. You want up, boys? Yeah. He actually about it? He was trying to he was trying to pass those dudes. He's like, left. We're we're talking about it. You want something on your I didn't say walk with me. I come on. Pick it up. What's going Trying to get to some friends. Live. They're they're they're not expecting me. It's a surprise.

Okay. New blog post from Life in the Path. Jesus runs. Okay. Alright. So so the the assassination of Charlie Kirk. So, like, let's just take let's get off the board that, there's no reason to abide any reaction as if this man was not a human being who should be mourned simply for the fact that someone murdered him. Yeah. There was harm done to him. There just isn't any reason for for any of that. And there is a

in that realm, though, there's a callousness to that that in some ways is not necessarily surprising if you don't actually value life. Yeah, right. Right, and so there's a caution in me, this is where, maybe one of my, the risks that I think I have spiritually, I don't know, hope it comes off this way, maybe it doesn't. But like, just have, I have a pretty extensive amount of grace

for how people came to believe a thing that they think. Sure. Because I just find that I think people have been misled. Yeah. And like there systems and like that a lot of times people are a product of deceit that has been perpetuated upon them, that there there just aren't that many people who are like willfully acting out in evil ways. They are doing so in some means of which, like the the outcome is the same, but they've gotten that way because of whatever, it depends on how you were, like your parents raised you to believe a certain set of things. Like it's not crazy for as an example, and I don't wanna hang on this one, but like as an example, like a lot of people who are finding children

who are not, who've got some confusion on their sexual orientation are coming from parents where that is also true. Like it's wild, the number of couples of, or like who are raising kids, and like all of their kids have this. And so like, I think there's just a caution in there. It's frankly, it's also in the same way, like you could have a religious upbringing of what you've got either you got it right or you got it wrong, and like, yeah, the people you influence now believe this thing, it's hard for them to shake, right? And so anyway, so I look out and I say, like, there's evil here, evil, like folks that would take human life is evil.

There, can I recognize that some of the evil that people come to is from like intentional deceit by powers and principalities, by people who are deceived, and then they influence the people who are innocent among them to get there? Yes, and I still have that, and so like one of those things that's a caution in me is that like, where ideas are pernicious and evil and produce evil things, are deceived people underneath them. And the amount that they participate in their own deceit, I don't know.

Right. And so anyway, I say all that to say is that like, can, there's a caution in there around, we were talking before the show of like, there's something in a situation that one of us has where there's someone who, they're like, they're not acting like themselves.

And so there's some, at least a concept of a separation of like, is this the person? Is this an influence upon a person? And how I approach that has some level of, I don't know. So anyway, I Sorry, I'm gonna ramble here. And so you guys, you gotta stop me. I already did. Okay, just like, I'm not really the counterpoint because like, but,

like, everything you said, like, the people who are, like, defaming the man believe all of that's true, but from his side. Right? Like Yeah. Like, he is influenced in a way he produces x amount of hatred in the world. He you you know what I'm saying? So, like, all the things that that you would say is true from one side, like, is completely seen on the other side in the exact same eyes. So so, like, I was trying to think of an example. I couldn't come up with one because you're like, we should we should mourn human life. And I think that's true. Right? And then I thought, well, like, everybody was pretty much on board when we got Hussein. You know what I'm saying? No one's like, you know, treat him better. You know? But, like, this dude was also, like, on the hook for killing a bunch of people. Like, he was also he was on the hook for a bunch of violence himself where Yeah. Like, Charlie Kirk was obviously, he did all of his fighting with and debating with words No and ideas,

physical violence, right? And like, it kind of goes back to the sticks and stones thing, right? So you can, you know, it's not the same, but I mean, like psychologists would tell you, or like people who look at mass groups of influence of people, right? Like if you influence the guy, like with your words that is willing to do the violence, then you're just as a part of or guilty. So like, that's where the people who like, I'm not defending them, like I find it abhorrent, but like they got three steps out, right? They're like his ideas and his things that we don't agree with when we think does, you know, puts X out into the world, like it produced the thing. Yeah. Troy, are you gonna say something? Yeah. Just I I think it along with Mike Mike's point, I think the the the shake there seems to be that, like, the people that do

not value the life that has been taken will look at that and go, he deserved this because of the the ideals that he held Yeah. Perpetuated violence against large communities of people. And it appears as though the anger that they have towards this and the level of apathy they have in this piece, and even to the point where I've seen plenty of people go, you know, he would have been fine with his death. He fought for this kind of thing anyway,

which is just, it's a very insane argument to me, but there's just there's a level of, like, I I agree with Mike that they're they would come to the same conclusion on the opposite end, and that's that's I don't know how to land that thought, sorry. Yeah, yeah.

No, yes, I think that's true, but I think that is then the caution as we, ideas are powerful and they can lead people to danger. Be prudent. So I saw quite a few things, just generally speaking, I

thought Charlie Kirk was a pretty good representation of how to go about a thing. I know there's things he said that have made some people pretty angry. I checked them because like, he's a human being, he's fallible, he didn't handle all the things right, I'm sure, I'm sure, for sure. I found him more gracious than some people who I would also agree with the things that they're saying, but not how they're saying, and frankly, I'm not sure that I'm aligned with the intent, and it goes back to, you know, we often talk about you can't divorce the words of Jesus from the love of Jesus, and so there's some people who I agree with that get the words right, the heart doesn't match, so people are missing Jesus, and I think the opposite is also true. People like with an intent to love people in the way that it represents

Jesus' character will then separate themselves from words that Jesus very clearly spoke and called good, and like you're doing people a disservice there too, and so like both of those things have to be true. It's a half hearted love. Generally speaking, I would tell you that like my impression is that Charlie Kirk did that better than anybody, often led with his faith, and so like, I actually don't even understand of the people to be mad at with. I don't know, like, he's harder, but like, but I say that to say, like, heard, I saw a bunch of people who were critiquing things he said, and went and checked it because I do, and like be discerning about the stuff that you're taking in, be discerning about how quickly you react, even with things you disagree with because for all the people who are like upset

or who were saying, he deserves some of the things, look at these foul things he said, like there was one of them where I'm like, he probably could have been more cautious how he said that. The rest of the stuff was taken at was, like, wildly out of context. Like, it completely missed the point of what he just where if you go one sentence further on some of the quotes, it's like, oh, that completely changed the context of what he just said. Yes. And but you get a lack of information and a lack of accountability information where people go, ah, that person that I trust quoted, they don't, they trust that that person took the right information, and then that disseminates down to we have an entire society that's just plagued with this right now. Yes. That's right. And so you you do have you do run the risk as a this is where your prudence is like, I want you to divorce your prudence from your politics. I don't care who you implicitly agree with. I want you to be cautious about here digesting information. Absolutely. I want you to not believe the worst out of the people who you inherently disagree with, just because they're saying it. And so like, they may be the worst representation of that, just like they, like sometimes people are actually who they say they are, and like the thing they said they meant.

I actually, my experience is that they're not good representatives of a very serious amount of gray that exists within people, and actually, I think we're seeing that in some of the reaction to Charlie Kirk's death, like to a man, I've not heard a pastor say that they did not, or I haven't heard anybody say that their attendance stayed the same. You had people kind of coming out of the woodwork Yeah. In reaction to this, looking for something to grab onto, looking for answers, be influenced by a guy who said, this is what I follow, now they're interested in a way that they weren't, even from people who are more like liberal in their political beliefs, because there's something about this that like strikes them that like, they actually didn't have any anger or hate, they just disagreed. And so like the representation

on the fringes, I think there is a push, and this is my other caution from some of a, some political beliefs that again, I generally would agree with that are going to very broad brush, paint people with an ideology that like, I think in fairness, social media does not do a good job representing that algorithm is gonna show you something that you're gonna interact with. It does a horrible job of representing. Yeah. That's right. An on purpose, horrible job of representing. That's right. So, like like, you you you're a fool to believe that, like, obviously, if if per post, if you believe that you got the entire truth within seven and a half seconds, you're an idiot. Yes. Right? You there's no possible way. Well, yeah, that and any amount of time that you spent on that post, the algorithm then goes, ah, this is the kind of thing that this person is going to spend time looking at. Yes. So I'm gonna put more of this in front of people. Like, conflict engages people. Right? And so, like, the whole point is to get you engaged and leave you here. And so, like for money. If it was just a regular conversation

about what the price of bananas, people are like, yeah. I mean, I'm out. Whatever. We'll pay an extra 7¢ inflation, taxes, tariffs. Oh, okay. No big deal. But, like, when you have, like, these two polar opposite things that are so staunchly opposed, you're almost waiting with bated breath to figure out how a bridge will be made. Yeah. You know? And so your brain wants to create one or your brain wants to go no bridge. Those people can stay over there. And then and now you're like, let me find more people that will agree with me that we're getting rid of this bridge concept because it's out. Right? And all that equals you're still here. And so and so, like, it as much as it, like, feels so, like, lunite of me to blame it on, like, the way that social media portrays information, like, it's geared to make you stay. Built for engagement. It's built for engagement. That's its job. And so, like, you've you've you drank the poison, my friend. Not saying that you can't do good things on there, but if you believe you're taking the whole world in right in seven and a half seconds, as you move on with your thumb, you didn't even read the thing. Right? You just, like, kinda let it skim through and let it sink in and bounce around, and now you're I understand the whole breadth of this, and, like, you you're part of the problem. Yeah. And not to not to hammer that piece, but, like, I saw I saw vicious and, like, vile stuff going on on social media. Mhmm. I had great conversations in person. Yeah. I had fantastic conversations with people. Yes. Like, people wanted to talk and and engage with this and have conversations, and, like, legitimately sitting in my living room, we were able to go, okay. Like, we're humans. Yeah. And let's let's try and understand this, and like, let's try and look at this through a lens of like, we know Jesus, and there's a truth, and truth is objective in this, and let's walk towards that, and it was an incredible time for that, Yeah. And people are missing that all over the place because the only level of engagement they get with any kind of social with any kind of society is social media. Yeah. I would say, actually, it's it's a very interesting

and somewhat encouraging irony that that the vast majority of people who are having the reactions, both positive and negative, have an interaction with Charlie Kirk because of something they saw on social media. Right? But of all the people who are who are engaging the culture so broadly on social media, this is the guy showing up every day and talking to people, like looking people in And the like, I actually thought that's one of the things that made him particularly winsome. And I think we're probably generous in ways that like, again,

other social commentators on either side, like are fighting battles through social media itself or through the political process, but like this guy showed up and had to like take whatever somebody said on the microphone and deal with them as human beings. Right. Look them in the eyes. Right. And like, there is there is something that will and which should make you a more gracious and kind person when you're not just dealing with this ethereal set of ideas and political beliefs and religious beliefs or whatever, but like some of the things that you think are detrimental and are outside of what God prescribed is good. Like, are you talking to those people in a like who, and you believe that ideas matter and words matter and how you treat people matter and how they hear it from you matters. I actually saw that in him more than I think I saw it from all kinds of other things that I, that came across. And I think there's a, there is something that requires you

to deal with the things that you believe in the eyeballs of someone who may be hurt by it. Yeah. And who's someone who like could be encouraged by it. Someone who feels a conviction about it. Someone who feels that you don't like them because of the things that you're saying and having to deal with that in person. Like I just, if you retweeted more than three things over the weekend, fellas, like I think it's time to not do that. And like, I know here's the thing. I I but again, I've got some sympathy for it. This person meant something to you. I he influenced me in in ways that like, I I don't know. Like, I've take that stuff in all the time, because I'm interested in the conversation around what people are thinking and how it relates to Jesus and stuff. And so like, you don't have to know somebody, so it like, because that they were their best friend to not be impacted by the fact that their presence is gone. There's something very powerful and good about some of the things that they did. Sure. They were a witness for Jesus. He was a witness for Jesus. He and like

boldly, not arrogantly, humbly and boldly in ways that oftentimes we're not sure it's okay to do. Know we've talked about this before, but there've been just times in my life where like, you hear someone talk and you're like, I didn't know people were confident and okay to say out loud, some of the stuff that I thought like being a Christian, like it was okay. And it made logical sense in the world around us to behave this way. It wasn't just Jesus going be so wild and countercultural and, you know, like maybe people will notice it, like it makes practical sense for all kinds of things that you're And touching

that has been something where like you find someone can articulate the things in a way that like, you can really connect with. And like, mean, he's not that uniquely to me and I'm not sure I had a like particular thing with things that he said, but like, if you had something like that with him, like bless it, that's awesome. And like, you feel, it feels a way and it feels it's shocking to see someone murdered for their ideas. It's shocking to see like, like it's a revealing in ways that like are tough to deal with. So I'm not saying any of that is wrong to react to, or have a feeling about. I just like, if you wanna think of a bit like the way to honor the thing that he was trying to do,

it's probably not exclusively on social media. There's a very human interaction point there. And there was something that like, I was kind of inspired just like, did you hear people tell stories about this guy? Is that like how many people said, like talked about him reaching out and encouraging them. And like, there's crazy number of people. I don't know how the man did all the things that he did and still was sending out text messages to folks. And like, there were a large number of people that would say, like, it's within the last two or three weeks that he's they've heard from him. And like, I just think about how much influence, like I've got a wife and four kids that I can intentionally interact with that I'm probably not doing. I work at a company of where I have relationships

and I have employees and I'm like, what the heck, man? Like, I'm not even doing the best with like the small amount of folks I have the ability to influence this dude is like keeping up with 300 people in the three week timeframe, simply just build them up. I heard the way you said, sounded great, keep it up. Like just stuff like that, and I thought like, okay, you can practically do that, those are practical relationship things that this person is doing in somewhat enhancing how you think about all the stuff that you may have seen or interacted with, and so like there's something you can take from it. I don't know, Dan. Like, what are you like, is there anything that's kind of bubbling up in some of the conversations or situations that you've been involved with over the last few days? Yeah. Honestly, it's just been it's like a gut punch to a lot of people. You know, obviously none of us have met him. We've seen a few videos or some, and there are people in my congregation that watch him faithfully and are big fans like eighth graders and older,

that it's hard for them to wrap their mind around the fact that someone would be so hateful to shoot him and kill him, and that others would be so hateful to celebrate it. Know, that's just a puzzling thing, especially when they're the ones who are always shouting love and tolerance and they're dancing on his grave. Know, it's really showing the true colors of a lot of people.

And yeah, it's been a hard struggle for a ton of people. I think you have two worldviews clashing together. In mature Christian

view, we understand we're just eternal souls that have a body for a while. So he's fine. You know, that's the hope we have as Christians. I mean, we're talking about he died. He's not dead. He's very well alive, very much fine. We're missing his physical presence here, but then you have the other side that, you know, they dance on his grave because they don't think it matters, you know, people don't matter, life doesn't matter. It's a very low view, whether it's a child in a womb or it's someone

elderly who they think has no value anymore, there's a culture out there that just doesn't care. And that's a hard thing to face, so. But don't you think, I guess that's kind of what I was getting at earlier though, is that like, if you see the reactions of people, like the increase of people showing up to churches this weekend, and I think like the number of, they said the number of applications to like be represent the Turning Point USA at the various campuses and schools was like, I think they were at 1,200 or something, and now they're at 37,000,

it's like a crazy Yeah, huge, yeah. Even we were talking before the show started, some reactions from people who are not politically aligned and wouldn't agree with Charlie Kirk, but like liked him and spent time with him and that kind of thing, like, is it, I guess I'm cautious of like, it's like a binary culture thing, like, I'm not sure the Dancing on the Graves actually represents a majority of people. No, no, I think the majority are somewhere in the middle of all of that. Yeah. They're just living their life, and you've got a fringe

both left and right that are trying to drive the narrative, and Charlie got stuck in the middle of it. He really didn't. I mean, he had definite views, but he was just like you say, he was just talking to people. He was just like, well, let's have the conversation.

And they'd come at him, anybody who wanted to, and he just asked questions a lot of times. He wasn't preaching at him, he wasn't yelling at him, he wasn't condemning them, he just, well, so you say you think that you can't define a woman, well, someone's transitioning to a woman, how do you know when they've gotten there? And they'd be like, just trying to answer the questions.

And that's why so many people began changing and turning their ideas around because so many of them don't have the ability to do just critical thinking, and he would bring critical thinking in and they'd be like, well crap, this everything I believe is kind of empty, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, and

that was a threat to some people. As it would be, that, so it seems like that part I understand and I understand the antagonism, I understand that like if someone's questioning you and it starts to attack your worldview and to, and be effective in it. Yeah. Right. Like, you lose, you start to lose a sense of yourself. Well, like, what, what, what am I? What did I believe? How did I believe this? Was I deceived? And like I don't know, I mean, I don't don't people do that to us all the time? Oh, Yes. Atheists are gonna laugh and joke and all this. There's a flashlight on the fragility that exists within people's

established beliefs that when questioned, and critical thinking perspective, it gets to a point where it becomes combative against you when you're being questioned. Think that's their problem, not mine. Right, exactly, and it's a flashlight and the fragility of the person who has the held belief, because

they have the belief based off of a certain level of information that they believed that they had. When someone starts to question that level of information and then go, ah, but did you think about it this way, or can you answer this, or I'm asking you to extend the held belief that you have to deal with this level of questioning that I have, and there's a certain level of frustration and anger that comes towards that because people don't like to be called out that way. People do not want that. The vast majority of people can't handle that kind of questioning, and I think that's the interesting thing that I've seen has been what we see is, oh, they're questioning a held belief.

The other side, not either side is in like the other side of an aisle or something like that, but the flip of that coin, people look at that and go, oh, that's an attack. It is attack on the person. It's no, I'm not actually attacking the person, I'm attacking the ideology that they so boldly are holding and championing by living in a certain way, or existing in a way, or being willing to come into an argument and go, this is what I believe. I disagree with you. Yeah. I expect people to disagree with me. Right. Exactly. I mean, you know, and maybe I can convince them. Maybe I'm not. I'll I'll tell them my side, then it's up to them. I'll walk away and still love them either way. And I think the the person that is willing to to be in that kind of transaction

of information can accept that is looked at as arrogant, and I think that's where a lot of the, well, could be a part where this stems from, is it's

a hell belief that there's an arrogance to being in that kind of place where you're you seem to be antagonistic against people's hell beliefs. Yeah. And a lot of these hell beliefs, they feel like they are very justified in if you don't think the way that I do, you are a hateful, violent person. Actually, I have noticed that in some I wouldn't even call it Christian apologetics, but like there are people who, like, have a firm faith in Jesus, and they have zero tolerance for being able to answer questions that you should be able to answer. Right. Exactly. Like, if if you're gonna if you're gonna give up your life and say, look. I'll I'll go where god tells me to go and do what god tells me to do, then god better be real. Right? Yes. This is better not be a figment of my image. Like Yeah. So Standing on a cross examination kind of thing. Right. So, like, these should these are questions people should be asking. I I've never had a problem with people pecking apart my faith because, like, wouldn't you? I would hope you would. It shows me that you're willing to look at what I'm saying and go, I believe that this person wholeheartedly believes this is willing to die for this. Yes. And therefore,

by being a human, I'm going to engage in this and ask questions, and I would hope that they would have answers. And I think it's an interesting thing you're calling out for Christian apologetics as well, is there's, I don't know, it's not cultural, it's societal, it's not generational. I don't think it's that boxed in, but there is a certain level of like argumentation

automatically is negative, and therefore any level of argumentation is looked at as violent or looked at as intolerant or whatever kind of thing, whereas like if you challenge that belief, then it becomes what is now weirdly considered violence There's fragility on both sides of that. On the other side, yes. Right? And like, that was the thing. Think, you know, he was doing his best to let go, we still need a market for ideas here, Yeah,

Right, yeah, there's a currency here that I'm willing to engage in that most people can't, or are not willing to, because they, one, they've probably never actually been asked to do that, and two, that just life in general, for some reason at this point in time in in this day and age, the amount of of people that that are willing to have a rock to stand on kind of kind of beliefs, but then do not in any way try and look into why they believe that thing and therefore are informed believer in that thing is wild to me. And it seems to be a flashlight on the fragility and the the the lack of of informed belief that exists on both sides in that are in that piece. You know what's so interesting, though? It's like it was I I was been reading in acts recently, and, like, this is the same reason Paul gets stoned with Yep. Everywhere he Is he says a thing, people plug in

their ears, they don't wanna hear it. Same thing happened to Jesus, and then they react in violence because it shook a foundational thing. They that was part of their identity. Right. The way, they believe Sexually, yeah. Yeah, it got to them, which is interesting because you also see Paul, not only does he keep walking into these things, but you remember when he's walking down, it's at the Areopagus and he's like, he gets in there and he's like pointing all the things and the thing with the unknown God or whatever. And then some people are mad and then some of the guys like, we'll hear you again on this thing. And like, it's just, it's the caution then is like, you know what Paul didn't do is go, look, if the fact that you didn't believe or buy into everything I said made me mad, and he just kept, he kept showing up. Right. There's a certain Which is the loving thing. Yeah. Yeah. But there's a certain amount of confidence or you guys have mentioned arrogance

that I think we all have it. Paul had because he had talk, it's spoken to the resurrected Jesus. It's like it's perceived in arrogance. Right? Right. And when we talk about our faith, like, we're we're our source is the eternal god who said let there be, it was. He's the designer. He wrote it all. We all which it's not anything we made up. It's not our intelligence. It's his intelligence. And so we come with a certain amount of confidence when we talk about It's not arrogant to insist that my car is black. Right. Yes. Right. Is for sure black. Yes. Yeah. It just is. Exactly right. And and if I said arrogance but did not follow-up with a perception of arrogance Yeah. Yeah. Sure. I'm I'm I believe I'm I meant from the perspective, but that level of confidence is my car is black. We know that that is an objective truth. At this point in time, the concept objective truth is being attacked societally,

and therefore my argument that my car is black because I can perceive it to be black, someone else goes, well, don't understand perception of that. Colors don't mean anything. Right. I don't my truth is that I actually perceive that to be blue, and therefore, you're arrogant for you not willing to to Listen to my my thought of this is blue. Funny thing is That's the that's the hit here. When they started introducing that truth is not truth, I I thought that how about idiots gonna believe that? Now And we have a whole culture that like It is. They honestly like, oh, no. It's green. That's the concept of information. Actually I feel it's green. That that particular belief has been the most effective Mhmm. On what It's your truth. The the fringes, right? And just go with the people where I think it's a lot of gray and like Dan, to your point, I just think some people are like, they're not super engaged and they're just worrying about their own crap and yeah, but the thing that what they, where they get them though, is like, they don't wanna have the sense that they're infringing upon someone else's reality. That position is where you get a lot of gray, like grayish folks who are like, well, yeah, mean, but who might argue with that guy? He wants it to be like, what do I care? Like he either doesn't want to, he doesn't want to fight about it. He doesn't want to take it from someone, especially when the thing that's on the line is what feels like mental health related to the quality of the relationships, the type of relationships they have, the ability to love the ability to do like these types of things where people are like, what it's, I'm not feeling it, but it's you feel it and your truth can be yours. Like, what do I care? Like there's a very American thing about that politically,

but it has moved into the moral and philosophical and religious lens. And actually, I think that is where there's passivity in a lot of the grayish believing folks, because they're like, who am I? There's actually humility in that that goes like, who am I to go around and just tell you like, don't believe the thing that you're saying. And so that has been super effective. There's all kinds of things that rile up people on the fringes of these beliefs. That one, that particular thing has been very effective at keeping wishy washy grayness. Oh, undoubtedly true. Yeah. Right. Okay. So, so the thing that I'll let me, I I got, like, a closing thought. Does anybody else have anything else they wanted to say about that? Nope. About this? I this has nothing to do with what you guys were talking about, but I'm less excited about, like, 30,000 people being

geared up to, like, represent tents on campuses. Yeah. Like, because only because, like, I could care less about the political ramifications, and I'm not sure that they love Jesus. I think they just wanna fight with people, and I'm not I'm not as excited about that. No. Like, of all the things that, like, you Charlie Kirk did, like he led with Jesus and and so like his presence on those campuses was was okay to me. I didn't see him waffling on anything that was that came out of the Bible and like like he he led with that and he never hid that. And so like I where I'm excited that that it's possible that the the truth about Jesus will be a center point of the conversation. If that's not the case, I hope those dudes stay off college campuses because I we don't need to create just another cultural fighting point of a bunch of people who are like, well because frankly, you're not gonna be as good at it. Dude was pretty good at it. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like,

of of all the things that that continually amaze me is is people's willingness to step up to the mic. Right? And, like like, I've said this before is, like, I really like watching people who are great at what they do, and that includes, like, stuff that I don't like, like ballet or you know what saying? Or, like, there's all kinds of stuff out there that's just not my cup of tea. I don't enjoy it, but it does bring a smile on my face to watch people be really good at something. And that guy was good at debating and having a conversation. And so, like, it doesn't even if they brought the smartest dude up there, like, you could have probably given him, like, the political left thing to argue and gave you the right, and he would still win because he's just really good at what he does. Right? And so I don't think he would have done that because he has principles and whatever. But, like, at the end of the day, like, you were just outmatched. Right? And like the arrogance that it took to, like, I get them. Like, got it. I also don't understand that. That's why I was okay. So let me let me leave you with the the where I have some significant cautions is I just want you to think about this in the days coming, and this kind of piggybacks on something that Mike was just, well, I think getting at,

which is just because someone agrees with you politically does not mean they agree with you in the kingdom. And so I've heard, I was listening to a couple of things even on the way here and it was just an interview and talking with people memories about Charlie Kirk and not all those people were Christians and you could, I can tell, I can tell their reaction is very political one. It's not that they didn't care about him or something like that, but like my allegiance is to King Jesus. And like, is in

some ways to the extent that the work of King Jesus blends with whatever political situation that you find yourself supporting or involved in, then I think that's great. To the extent that it doesn't, we serve King Jesus. And so be cautious that those two things don't get falsely wrapped together. Anybody that walks in step with Lord, we're for anybody that like, if it does not, regardless of the political affiliation, just need to be cautious because not all ideas furthered

under the name of Jesus are actually of Jesus. And so just be cautious. And of all the rhetoric things that I've heard, and I get there's a motivation here that like in honor of this man and the work that he's done to not let it die, to let the influence of things that he fought for that he thought were good to persist. I think that's great. I think that's really good. I think, I think what a blessing that people can be motivated. A man could have such influence on people to be motivated to go do a thing. May we also use our influence in a way that otherwise motivates people to continue our humble service beyond. I think that's right. But like, if your inclination after

Charlie Kirk's assassination is to fight, then fight like Jesus fought. If your inclination is to get like real riled up and go after people because of what happened, go after the people that Jesus went after in the way that Jesus went after them. If your inclination is to use whatever is in your possession from a social media perspective, or to use your voice,

to amplify ideas that you saw in Charlie Kirk that you're like, I don't want that to die, I wanna be part of the solution of that, may the thing that you'll be amplifying, the things that Jesus said, that then Charlie Kirk said, because Jesus said them, let that be it. And so like whatever motivation you have, whatever action you're expecting to take, I want you to follow it up with, let us blank, whatever that is, like Jesus would have, that's honoring the Lord and savior that Charlie Kirk had, that keeps you and protects you from getting involved in things that are simply that are more political.

And it's not that it's not that the work of Jesus can't doesn't have influence and work in the realm of politics. I'm just saying where there are risks of you ended up pushing a political agenda that wasn't for the kingdom, that goes away when you go, look, I'm gonna take action the way Jesus acted. I'm gonna serve the way Jesus serves. I'm willing to, like, I wanna see us rule. Like, it's funny you see this in the book of Revelation where, like, it starts to describe believers as kings, and we're like, we get to be kings, kingdom of and we're like, you get to be a king like Jesus was king. Yep. How did like, if you can do that, then yeah. But, like, that's not a crown and gold and and ladies, like, flowing around you with feathers. Like, this is service. This is sacrifice. This is, going to the least of these and serving them and and showing that god loves them and call and saying a hard thing that they don't wanna hear, but saying it with love in your heart.

And a desire that all would become to know Yahweh. And so like, yeah, whatever it is, excitement that you're feeling, I want you to take that operative word and I want you to do it like Jesus. And then that's awesome. Be blessed in that. You're listening to life from the path. Thanks for hanging out with us. (515) 517-0085 call or text. I'm glad to hear your thoughts and comments on anything that we were just talking about. Yeah. Okay. It's funny. I I gave that exact advice out to somebody this week, and, like, it reminds me of there's a there's a song by Mercy Me called, death. And, it's whatever. They're, like, you know, oh, I'm not afraid of you. You got yours. You know? But, like, one of the one of the the lines in the in the song is it's like he says, oh, death, you scared me to death. And then the next line is, you ain't my king, though. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And so, like, I remember this lyric all the time. Right? Like this, it pops in my head randomly where I'm like, when when like, your faith starts to mix with, like, the rest of life. Right? Like and and, like, the the kid I was talking to, it had to do with, like, being in a play, you know, or being in, like, you know, some of the the fine arts stuff at school or, like, you know, anything like the when they're pursuing sports. Yeah. You know, like, it's so we were talking about it and, how much,

you know, what the season was gonna look like and how much effort you're have to put in time it would take up, and I'm like, just remember, it ain't your king though. Right? So, like, all this stuff gets to be part of your life and part of the things that you fill your time with, but it's not your king. And so when the king be speaking, like, you be you be reacting. And same thing is true, like, to sum up all the stuff Ben just said. Right? Like, all that stuff, politically, I don't care if you're what side of that fence you're sitting on. Right? Or if you're just in the middle going, I wish people would leave me alone. The end of the day, it's part of your life, but it ain't your king. And so, like, if you can put that in proportion because frankly, when the king speaks, the the the edicts go out to all the lands, and it covers all the ground. Yeah. So, like, where your king speaks on things, that's that's the truth that you live in. And everything else gets to be part of your life, good, bad, or indifferent, but it's not your king. It ain't your king though. Yeah. Alright. Here we go. We gotta ask the pastor on the life of the path complaint line.

Question was why in Ezekiel three is he snacking on scrolls? I mean, prophets had a rough gig. This was the answer by, this is Cody McCormick. Yeah. As it hit us up, he says, Andrew McCormick says, his wife says, I mean, prophets had a rough gig.

Also, at least he got to cook the bread on cow dung and not human dung. Again, Andrew McCormick. This great. A

wild story. So I'm gonna I'm gonna read you. He he said Ezekiel three. I'm gonna start back just a hair before that in Ezekiel two, and then we'll make a run up on it. The question is is like, what is going on here? Why are we eating of scrolls in in Ezekiel? I know Ben's answer already. It's Ezekiel two. Well, I could gosh. I kinda wanna read it. I'm not gonna read the whole thing. The ultimately, he's being sent to Israel who is rebelling against Yahweh. And this is in verse eight, and he says or seven, speak my words to them whether they listen or refuse to listen for they are rebellious. This is Yahweh Ezekiel. And you son of man, listen to what I tell you. Do not be rebellious like that rebel rebellious house. Open your mouth and eat what I'm giving you. So I looked and saw hand reaching out to me, and there was a written scroll in it. When he enrolled it before me, it was written on the front and back. Words of lamentation, mourning, and woe were written on it. Okay. So here's that's what Ezekiel's being given. Verse one, chapter three. He said to me, son of man, eat what you find here. Eat this scroll, then go in and speak to the house of Israel. So I opened my mouth, and he fed me the scroll. Son of man, he said to me, feed your stomach and fill your belly with this scroll I'm giving you. So I ate it, and it was sweet as honey in my mouth. Then he said to me, son of man, go to the house of Israel and speak my words to them, for you are not being sent to a people of unintelligible speech or difficult language, but to the house of Israel. Not to the many peoples of unintelligible speech or a difficult language whose words you cannot understand.

No doubt if I sent you to them, they would listen to you. But the house of Israel will not want to listen to you because they do not want to listen to me. For the whole house of Israel is hard hearted, hard headed, and hard hearted. Look, I've made your face as hard as their faces and your forehead as hard as their foreheads. I don't remember that. Yeah. God's like, now you look like them. Look like a stubborn joker. Yeah. I've made your forehead like a diamond, harder than flint. Don't be afraid of them or discouraged by the look on their faces, though they are a rebellious house. Next, he said to me, son of man, listen carefully to all my words that I speak to you and take them to heart. Go to your people, the the exiles, and speak to them. Tell them this is what the Lord Yahweh says, whether they listen or refuse to listen. Then the spirit then lifted me up, and I heard a loud rumbling sound behind me. Bless the glory of Yahweh in his place with the sound of the living creatures wings brushing against each other and the sound of wheels beside them, a loud rumbling sound. The spirit lifted me up and took me away. I left in bitterness and an angry spirit, and Yahweh's hand was on me powerfully. I came to the exiles at Tel Aviv who were living by the Shevar Canal, and I sat there among them stunned for seven days. Okay, we'll stop there. That's verse 15 of chapter three. So why, why is Yahweh having this man eat scrolls? So I think one of the first things you have to establish, especially within Ezekiel, is what's vision, what's actually happening. Okay.

From what I understand here, this is still within the vision of Yahweh speaking to Ezekiel about what his plan is or what his job is to do when speaking to the people of Israel. From

that piece, eating of a scroll, like the concept of when God writes something on a scroll, it's representative of like his instruction, his

his words to the people, merely reading them is one thing, but then having them indwelt within you to then go and speak to his peoples is a totally thing. Mhmm. It's like a different I I don't want to go as far as to say a level of commitment but kind of of if Ezekiel reads them, that's one thing but if he ingests them and they become part of him. Mhmm. And then he goes out to the people.

He is a prophet speaking from an indwelling of the Lord's words within him to Yahweh's people, and I think if I'm establishing the right pattern here in Ezekiel, which if I remember correctly, this is still vision, This is not a physical thing like there are some prophets who are required to do physical things out in the real corporeal world Yeah. As a as a representation of a of a part of the relationship with Yahweh or a brokenness in the relationship of Yahweh that we get within Isaiah and Jeremiah, I think Ezekiel still is in the place where it's vision, God's plan, this is this is a

symbol more than it is an actual act. Okay. Okay. Ready? Yeah. Hit me. Sometimes

god has physical things to convey spiritual truths. Stuff that so our innards match our outers. Like something Ben would say. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Technically, I say innies and outies. Yeah. You do say innies and outies. Innies and outies. Okay. Yeah. I would agree with both of those things actually. You

got a high chance of me agreeing if you refer to something that I would say. Yeah. I agree. It is a vision, and it's not the only place we see this particular thing in a vision. Like, the same thing happens to John in the book of Revelations. It's a common prophet thing. That's right. You get to the heavenly realm, and, like, God writes a thing down and says eat it. Then Eat it. Take off it in you. There's often, like, a reaction to it. Right. It's honey, then it's gross in your belly. Yes, that's right. And so, and I think you've got the gist of it right, which is like, there's one, it's one thing to say, hey, I heard a thing and now I'm gonna go take it in. It's another thing to have basically it becomes part of you of what you're sharing out. And I so, think actually that's why you often get the description of like, it's difficult because oftentimes they're difficult words like you, it tastes sweet because it's a word of the Lord and then you gotta see how it lands on the world around him who doesn't want it, who's rebellious and you're like, well, this is bitter. Right. Shoot. That's exactly what happened to prophets. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. It was always hunted words because it was, like, from Yahweh, and it was a wonderful experience at that point, but then there's an there's an earthly revelation that hits, and it's like, oh, you will be absolutely persecuted and most likely killed for what I'm going to tell you. Yes. So here's what's odd. So like, I'll grant that, and visions are a little bit easier to deal with because you're like, it's a vision. Like, course, I'm supposed to interpret this in some way or another,

but then you get into these, the the example that that Cody gave on the Sinax where you're like, you're cooking stuff on poop. What's a Sinax? A a Sinax, which is like, there's something that that god is trying to teach his people through the prophet and he makes the prophet act it out. Isaiah had to, like, bash his way through the city wall, didn't he? Yeah. Like like, there's like like the like the Kool Aid man? Yeah. Yeah. Like, literally, he he was basically, like, enacting a siege. Mhmm. And, like, it was a way that, like, the people were to recognize that, like, god was absolutely going to allow a a a siege to break the walls of Jerusalem, and, like, they had to run away in a certain way. And so he was to pack up his stuff and then, like, make his way out through not a normal portcullis of getting out of the city, but, like, in a way that you would only do if the city was under attack. Yeah. Just And it was a it was a real physical thing that he had to do. So if he's in the streets speaking the word as a Yahweh, he goes, guys, this is what's gonna happen. This is what it's gonna look like if you keep profaning the name of Yahweh, you keep pursuing

this idolatry. The the armies of the people are going to wash upon this place ocean, like a sea chaos. Yeah. And you're gonna have to run out in the middle of the night. You won't have all your stuff with you because the safety that you had when you were the people of Yahweh and carried his name is no longer afforded to you. You will be pushed to exile. I feel like this like, I never thought about this, but, like, some of these prophet stories are are they're easy to take in from, like, a mile up. But, like, there's, a baker on the other side of the wall, and Isaac come you know, or Isaiah come balling through it, and he points at him. He's like, and that's what's gonna happen. This dude's like, what? What do you mean? What do you mean what's gonna happen? And you got like, there's another one where Ezekiel was like having to lay on his side,

like naked or something for example. Yeah. Crazy long. And here's the thing. You're like, why did he have to go? There's no one else around. Like, why does he have to go through this? And so to the thing Mike was getting at, like oftentimes just think of the rituals of the things that we do, the postures and prayer and the healing, the put your hands on someone to pray and anointing oil. Like, how do you it's it's a way to try to bring into physical reality a spiritual thing that's happening and, like, how else are you gonna do it? It's gonna be and you know who's gonna know this message passionately? It's freaking Ezekiel. Yeah. Right. And he's gonna it's like, I'm begging you fellas. Like, had to I had to sit through this. Yeah. God is using me. I like, it hits Ezekiel very uniquely on the judgments that are gonna happen and the impact of the things because he's the guy that had to go through the wall. Everyone else is everyone else is the crowd standing outside watching Noah build a boat and go and look at this idiot.

And like, Noah's trying to be he's begging him. It's like, there's gonna be a flood and like flood. And so you watch Noah do it, and then you realize what's going on. And then so God uses these prophets, and then Ezekiel's like, do you think like, look at that hole in the wall I just put in there. Right. Yeah. God made me do that because this thing is gonna happen to you. And I got I'm hurt because I barrel through a wall and my food tastes like cow crap. And like, I just need you to listen to me. And like, sometimes you just gotta, like, you feel it. Yeah. You go through the motions physically because that's the only way to express yourself. And so they yeah. They do sign it. And Jesus did this too. Right? He's like, yeah, I get it. You can't see sin being healed. So that guy walks now. There. Yes. Now you get it. Right. Yeah. And then there's that baker guy who's like, you look like you're in a way. Do you want a scone or something? Yeah. It's like, I just You know, the Jews known for their scones. Yeah.

And there's Ezekiel strikes me as I mean, obviously, there's plenty of of of really heavy stuff that's happening within every single prophet. But, like, Ezekiel nine is, if I remember correctly, Ezekiel nine is, like, the the he's watching the spirit of Yahweh leave the temple. Yeah. Yeah. Like, flat out leave it. Yeah. And to to a to a Jew, that is terrifying. Like, that is terrifying. You are watching the god that is 100% a part of everything you do in your life through all of your family's history and remembrance beyond just your family, your entire nation. And like the the well established within our history and our geography and our culture, the building that is the representation of the God that saved us from slavery

and damnation is flat out There we go. Leaving his house that he said, I will inhabit forever unless you do these things. Yeah. And then God goes, now what you just saw, go tell everyone. Yeah. Like, go tell them this is happening, and Ezekiel's to the point where it's like, no, you've lost your chances. Like, we've we've gone through all these conversations. You have you have desecrated my temple. You are worshiping the sun in my house looking to the east rather than to my seat, I'm leaving. Yeah. And like, that's, I can't even imagine being that, I mean, I should because that's very similar to like where we're at, but anyway, it's just it's just something wild, and, like, to to then go and speak those words,

I think it's Isaiah specifically that has, like, five things that he has to do throughout the book that are, like, real show show a painful truth that's coming out in a physical way. Yeah. And that's just, I mean, it's just, I can't even imagine. I get, you know, I'm struck recently, like, I started, and some of you guys have seen this, like, started writing a devotional, and like, this has been who's cautious on devotionals generally speaking, but like, just looking for like, can we be reminded to have hope in our faithful walk with Jesus?

And like, some of this, not only in scripture, of which there's some really cool examples, but even throughout church history, like you just see people behaving in such a way, you're like, the patience and the hope they have that the good news of Jesus will make a difference in the situation is just crazy. Like the first one that I had looked at was around, you remember when 's in prison, him and Timothy, Silas,

and they get into, they show up into town and like ladies follow him around going like, these guys are sons of the most high God. And Paul gets irritated with it. Like three days later, he's like, I'm pissed at this. And so he goes, he just casts the demon that's in her out. And like, she was working for a guy. So now they're mad that like, they may have lost their livelihood. Paul's constantly taking the livelihoods of people with his behavior. And so Freaking brass maker. So when they get a bunch of mad local judges and stuff and they just beat him up. They beat Paul and Silas up and they put him in prison. And so they go to prison and about halfway through the night, there's like a a rumbling earthquake or whatever. All the doors open. And the guy the the guard that's on duty runs in, he's about to kill himself because, that was what's gonna happen anyway. And at least he can it's more shameful if he waits to have someone kill him. So he's just gonna kill himself because everyone escaped. Paul Paul and Silas aren't there. They had been singing hymns

to everyone in the middle of the night, just singing along and and and like scripture tells like people were listening. They're paying attention to these hymns. Right? Okay. So anyway, I'm telling this story because there's a part that I did not remember. And the part was is they they go the guy comes in and they tell him about Jesus. Whatever's going on with the hymns and the fact that they didn't run, he's like, okay. I'm gonna tell you about Jesus. And the guy goes, I want in. They go to this guy's house and it's and they baptize his whole family. Him and his whole family are baptized. And these two wild apes go back into the jail. And if you remember, Peter just like, earlier in acts had been like like the door doors open, and he hightailed it. Yeah. He gets out of there. He's knocking on the door. Dream. And they're like, I'm thinking of Peter. I almost hear him in the background. And, really, he's at the door, like, trying to because he left jail. Uh-huh. Not these two fellas. They they go to the guy's house. Everybody gets baptized, and they go, we're going back in. We're not gonna cause you any You wonder why Paul and Peter have a contentious relationship.

Right? Dude, Paul brought that up. It's like, Peter, I heard the story that you left the prison. Did you hear what I did? I went back, man. Yeah. Peter's like the soft hands of this operation. Paul's out there just tearing it up and like, you don't tell me about me before your work. It's just just like the, I'm gonna steal an Obama phrase. The flat out audacity of hope in these men that goes, we're in prison. We shouldn't have got beat up for casting people out demons. Let's a few tunes. Hey. Maybe we can get the other prisoners to love Jesus. Maybe we can get the jailer to love Jesus. Maybe we can get his family to love Jesus. Yeah. And you know what? This is going pretty well. Why don't you put me back in there? There might be more opportunity tomorrow. And it's just like so so that was the that was the the bible one. There was there was one church church history. There's a guy named Gregory the illuminator. Have you guys heard of this man? That name sounds familiar. So so he's he's it it his name is Greg like, Gregori. Yeah. Gregori. Gregori. And so like, he's, his

dad is his name is Anok and like they're in Armenia and Armenia's got a king, it's Khazarov the second. There's a guy next door in like, what is the remnants of the Persian empire? It's like the Cenarion, I think is what it's called empire now, which is his like his granddad. Okay. And so the guys like the

Armenian king Khosrov is like pro Rome and that makes it difficult because like Armenia is like the Belgium, which like wars are constantly being fought over this place. It's where a lot of trade routes intersect. And so like there's trouble going on. And so anyway, this guy in the Cisnerian Cisnerian, I don't whatever the s empire sends a knock, Grigor's dad to say, go kill this man because he's family. And so a knock can just walk in there. Uncle Khosrov, whatever, dead. Okay? And what they're hoping is gonna happen is that, like, they don't know this a knock is involved, like Grigor's dad is involved. And so they're like, well, maybe they'll make him king. So now he's got a guy on the throne over in Armenia who can be friendly to him. This completely backfires. Anok gets murdered and his mom get and his wife gets murdered and most of his family gets murdered. A nurse grabs old Gregor and runs him over to Cappadocia.

Okay. Which which there are Christians over there because Paul brought like Christianity up through this area. Right? It's in Caesarea. Okay. So anyway, he spends his time. He he hangs out with a Christian family who adopts him because Christian families do this kind of thing. He comes to love Jesus and he goes, look, my father perpetuated a wrong and I owe it to my country, and I owe it to that family to go back and be of service to him. So he goes back to Armenia when he's a grown man. The

new king, I guess, let's just call it king T. The third is now the king, he's Khosrov's son. And so this guy, Gregor enlists to be like in the service of the king. He does not know, the king doesn't know that this guy's dad is the one who murdered his dad. So anyway, he's doing all kinds of stuff. He's good for the kingdom, except for you're supposed to sacrifice to the gods. And this guy refuses. Gregor says, look, I'm not gonna do it. Through this interaction, it comes out that he figures out that this is the guy and he's like, screw you and screw Christians. He's mad because he's he's like this. He knows what this guy's coming to do. He's like, yes, I get it. You're trying to serve the kingdom, but like, you're trying to bring Christianity over here. He's pissed. And so he puts him in a pit for thirteen years. Like like, kinda like, you remember the story of Jeremiah? Jeremiah in this picture. Hanging in a pit. Yeah. It's kinda like that. He's put in this pit. You can go see this pit as a matter of fact. Oh, wow.

And so he's kept alive for thirteen years by Christian ladies who, like, are showing up dropping food craps into the pit at their own peril. They could have been killed. But it just the straight up audacity of this man to go, I'm gonna go I'm gonna go try to set this thing right in service to this king in at my own peril. He's in the pit for thirteen years. Khosrov starts persecuting Christians, including some nuns that are in town. He turns ends up turning into like a beastly figure, kinda like the way that you get Nebuchadnezzar. Mhmm. The same visuals, like in his persecution of these like virgin nuns because they're Christian, he starts to become like physically the thing that's likely the representation of his heart. Right? And so when he's at his worst, he's dying and they go, maybe we should go talk that guy's God who's in the pit seems to be effective.

Let's go. Dude's still alive. Yeah. He's still alive because the ladies are keeping him alive and he's barely alive. They drag him out of the pit and he could've he could've fled. He could like, I'm getting out of here. Dude put me tried to kill me, punishing me, and he goes, nah. This is this is what I came for. And so he goes and talks to this guy. He prays for king t. King t is healed. Armenia becomes the very first nation to have Christianity as as it's recognized religion, as it's like the the religion of the country. Yeah. Before it happens in Rome, before it happens anywhere else, it happens in Armenia because of the faithfulness of this dude, which then just this straight up audacity of I think this will work. Christianity spreads like wildfire Yeah. Around this country. The king converts, his family converts, it rained, like Christianity is a positive influence in the empire. It's not always a positive influence in an empire because people misuse it, previous

conversation. But anyway, it just reminded me, I really like being reminded of just like the patience and the audacity to go. I think this will work, dude. You're in a pit for thirteen years. I think this is going well, actually. Yeah. Fellas, we're gonna put you in prison and beat you for doing just a run of the mill healing. We're like, I think this is working actually. I think this is going well. This has been effective for the gospel. And I think we're gonna keep this up. And, like, it's just it's it's easy to look at the culture and the things going on around us and go, boy, I just don't I don't think this is effective at all. And, like, this does not cross Paul's mind ever. He's like, I think this is working. They just tried to kill you. Yeah. But in Lystra, they tried to kill him. They stoned him. They thought he was dead. They drug him out, and he goes back into the same town. He didn't go like, hey, we should let it cool down a bit. But when he when he It was other than people around him tried to get him to. But Paul's version of not letting it cool down. Because you've heard that some of this this week, like, hey, the temperature's pretty loud, like, or pretty hot. We should be careful. Paul's version, is it to go in there and stir a bunch of people up in the thing that like tries to elevate something of this world? He's like, I'm the bearer of good news. Where else does good news belong except for when the temperature's hot? Like,

that's where it should happen. The riot that's going on in Ephesus, he's like, let me go. I'm gonna go in there. I bet I can calm him down. It's stupid. It's stupid. He's gonna cause a riot in there. And like, the the town the town manager calms everybody down. Like, that guy sets it up. I just there's such a hope in it. There's such a hope to look around and go, I think this is gonna do good things. And, like, whatever crap happens going around, you don't get mad and you don't start taking vengeance. You just go, I think this working. I think it's totally working as a matter of fact. You just keep on it. Anyway, sorry. That's it. But as Ezekiel is in a rough spot, like, of all this goof ball stuff for like, why would God have him do the thing? He's gotta bust through the wall. He's gotta do us cow dung and stuff. Ezekiel's, he doesn't wanna do it. This is rough to go do, but he's like, this is what this is what it looks like to follow Yahweh faithfully, and I'm gonna trust this is gonna work. Yeah. It's gonna work. Alright. Do we even have we can hold it for next week if we want to. We're Unless you think you got a quick answer. Yeah, I think I have a quick answer. Alright. Okay. My Ask the Pastor this week is in Daniel 12, literally beginning in verse one. At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people, and there shall be a time of trouble such as never has been since there was a nation till that time, but at that time your people shall be delivered, everyone whose name shall be found written in the book.

I honestly, I I there's a lot to unpack even just in that verse, to be honest with you, but, like, the very beginning. Then at that time shall arise Michael, the prince of your people. Yep. So everything I understand up to this point, Michael is an angel of a of a kind. Mhmm. That is a named angel of a kind. He's not unique in that. He's very a a very small list, but not unique in that.

There's a concept of this prince word that exists. The Hebrew word is I think is the word that's used there to mean prince, and in a lot of places, it just means like royalty, but in a couple specific places it seems to be like these named angels that represent Yahweh's

work, I guess, for the nation, and I'm just, I'm trying to figure out how to take this in, and I'm fine with getting the answer of like, this is prophecy stuff, this is apocalyptic stuff, it's not something you need to look at as a literal thing, you shouldn't expect that like there are

different offices of angels that exist as these heavenly beings with the wings and the armor and stuff like that. I'm fine with all interpretations to be honest, or a lot of interpretations to be honest. I just I'm trying to to figure out how to, like, even talk about this. Yeah. Like, how to even take it in at any level to be able to go rather than just glancing past it. Because to be honest, that's my first inclination is to go, okay. I trust god. Like, I'm fine with that. I don't have any problems with this. This doesn't shake my understanding of spiritual matters.

It doesn't shake my understanding of how god exists as as as a creator and what he can do. It doesn't shake my my faith in his power or believability. It just goes, I don't really know about this one, fellas, and I'd like to go deeper than just glance past it. Yeah. Okay. So the quick answer is is that there isn't a lot of places to go deeper in. Right. Like, the scripture simply does not give us a It does ton like more total. Yeah. And so there is a place where, like, God has given us as much as we're gonna get, and the pursuit beyond that gets into highly speculative. Fair. And so

that's the general caution, right? Okay, yeah. That said though, and I think this has been something that has been, I've been so cautious, I think when I was younger about people misusing this concept of angels that you might've written off as if there can't be a reality that scripture is plainly talking to me about. Yeah. Right, So like the book of Dan, and this is somewhat unique to Daniel, but like you get a concept

that there are heavenly realm representatives of peoples. Uh-huh. Yes. I don't know about individual, although Dan had print I I think this was in Hebrews at some point had taught something. It was around, like, this concept of, a personal guardian angel isn't, like, crazy farfetched. Like, I'm not sure it's what we cartoonishly think it of, but like a connection between a being in the heavenly realms who is like otherwise watching. I don't know if we're like watching out. I don't know. You had there's there's a way to entertain angels unawares, and so like there has to be something about it. Yeah. Sure. But but anyway, Daniel's picture of it is like that there's there's

remember when there's a tussle between, like, he's trying to get a message to, like, that words that you said, would you say? Sayer. Sayer. So, there's like, different words for prince. David's described as a prince. It's not that same word. Right. Sayer is is like, I think often used to show like a commander. Yes. Right. It's very often military. Yes. Exactly right. And so you get this sense in Daniel of this, like, angelic representation who like is responsible over or commanding or like looking out for kingdoms of the world. Yeah, right. Right? And battling another representative of another kingdom. Yes, exactly right. Do I have, could that be apocalyptic,

lictic apocalyptic? Yes. It could be, but I actually don't know what you gained from it. Right. I don't think there's a particular insight for it to be symbolic Uh-huh. Outside of the fact that, like, oh, like it matters what goes on earth. I actually think this is legitimate. I think it's a real thing. I think there is a concept the scripture is giving us of like, there are things that are being fought in a spiritual realm that otherwise have some level of representation or impact

on the earthly experience, and that that veil is a lot thinner than what we think it is. And so how does that play itself out in everyday stuff? I don't know. And I think which is where my caution comes in, because like once you open yourself up to saying, hey, this could be, then people are looking for it everywhere, and I think that's dangerous. Yeah. Because then I think we miss all kinds of other things, but I actually don't, although I see quite a few things in scripture as being based upon apocalypse language, I don't know that I think this is it. I think that's a representation of a spiritual one that we just simply don't get a ton Yeah. Of other information It's interesting because what threw me to even really think about it was the proper name,

like was the Mikhail or whatever, something close to that. Yeah, because there's there's only so many places where we have like, there's plenty of places where capitalizations don't make sense, but this doesn't seem like one of them. It seems like it's a very deliberate use of a name that's not indicative of a place. Like, get some apocalyptic writing where the like, it's it's proper noun name of place, not very often like a spiritual being that has a name

like Michael, like Gabriel, where you get that in in this book, and then I think two other I was trying to figure that out, because I could not find, kind of your comment of a lot of apocalyptic writing, the symbol has meaning to a culture, and therefore there's things to pull from that. I can't find anything on that. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I cannot find any apocalyptic symbolism to the word Michael, to the the concept of this prince.

He's just nothing. And so I I I had a feeling that it was kinda one of those not dead end answers, but truthfully, like, it's not something I need to care that much about. Yeah. That's the wrong way to put it. It's not something I need to, like, spend my life trying to chase down because the extrapolation will get me into unclear waters that will never have an answer on on this side of just speaking straight to god and him give me answer. Yeah. Dan, did you have on your ways, I I suppose I you've probably taught Daniel Sure. In your in your pastoral years. Is there a way to have this conversation that you've had before? Is it has it ever been a point to talk about?

Somewhere down the road, I I I did chapter 12. I mean I mean Sure. Sure. Angelic part, I think it's just a confirmation that we live in a spiritual world. Right? Yeah. That that that it interacts with our world, that they're they're there, and they're involved, and we know what we need to know. Know, it's a need to know basis, and Okay. Most people on the planet have never heard the name of an angel, you know, like God said, hey, here's Michael. You know, I mean, right. We know Daniel did. Yeah. In the history of the world, right? Sure. Yeah. Actually, I would If you heard me and Gabriel, but It would be easier in some ways to say, oh, this is unique to Daniel and and more likely to be apocalypse type stuff if if he didn't show up in Jude.

Right. Right. And so it's a physical it's a physical event that we're being talked about, the tussling over Moses' bodies, and it's affirmed by that name in New Testament literature, and you're talking hundreds of years between then, which link, I think that makes it, that's the part that makes it far less likely to me to say, oh, it's just a uniqueness to Daniel, and it's probably that kind of apocalypse. I think we're dealing with the real thing. There's plenty of stuff that might be unique to Daniel that I'm willing to take it in and be like, that's just a Daniel thing? Yeah, Oh, that's totally fair. Okay. Okay, I had a feeling that that was kind of what the answer was gonna be, but I just wanted to, I figured especially right for an Ask the Pastor just because a lot of the conversation that I like to have is just kind of framing around where I can run with something, and

how to even ask the questions in the space, and that's helpful for me. Actually, think it's good to be able to establish, like the question, it's a totally good question, and it's a common question, like for people, if you're just dipping your toe into like, is Yahweh a real thing? Like the things that you know, culture is like, tell me about devil, tell me about angels. So, like, I get it. And it's actually pretty healthy to know its boundaries. Here's what we know. After that, we have no idea. And I wouldn't even, like I I don't care about the speculation of Yeah. The amount of times I have to get to myself to where I'm like, guys, we can't talk about that. It doesn't matter. It just flat out doesn't matter. Get past it. Yeah. I find I find the phrase, I don't care about that, to be very effective. We're we're talking about that this last week. Yes. Yeah. Agreed. I find myself in many circles where people are asking a lot of devil questions because, like, in the in the in the circles that I run,

the concept of the devil is getting me or the devil's trying to get me to make these decisions is so prevalent. It is insanely prevalent, and it's in almost every conversation I have where people, like, refuse to take in any place of, like, temptation means, hey. There is such a possibility. Yeah. And, like, I've made really bad choices, and my body and mind want to continue to make them. Yeah. And so now that I'm trying to get away from them, one of the easiest ways to do that as a as I start in Christianity is to grab this devil guy and go, woah. It's all him. It's him. He's getting at me, and I'm not gonna let him win because the devil ain't gonna win me. And I'm like, alright.

Alright. Let's clip this coin, friends. Right. Okay. Alright. Thanks. I appreciate it, fellas. Hey. If you got an ask the pastor, hit us up on the Life of the Path of complaint line. (515) 517-0085. Call or text. We'd love to hear from you. Alright, Mike. Let's give out some advice. Dear life from the path, I want to end a relationship. Do it. My husband and I met a couple through mutual friends about three years ago. Mhmm. We are twenty years older than they are and live an hour away. Yep. When the mutual friends moved away, we thought that would be the end of it. But this couple pursued a and guilted us into making a long journey to hang with them, stating that we were their only friends.

Then we learned that they were having a child in their forties. They now have two children. I have raised my kids, and I'm no longer interested in being around toddlers. Between the distance and the unenjoyable company, I want to end it. I think ghosting them would be tacky, and I want to tell them honestly and gently that we no longer want to visit. My husband disagrees. He thinks we should continue the charade to our immense displeasure. Advice? Oh, yeah. You're a ray of sojug. You should I mean, you should you should do them the incredible

service of ghosting them. Yeah. Like, you I I there you have put me into a very interesting corner that I would ever say those words. But, like, legitimately, the nicest thing you can do for that family, in your capacity is to ghost them. Yeah. And never speak to them again. And I hope for their sake that they quickly realize the the, like, the very small space that you left behind that they can then quickly fill with someone else. Yeah. Gosh. Between a distance and the unenjoyable company, I want to end it. I How often do they do they get together? Apparently, too often, and they're guilted every time. Once a year, for a weekend. I mean, like Yeah. Of course. I just took a clip. It's ins like, I I you'd I'd this is yeah. I don't I feel very just apathetic in this, fellas. Like, just flat out. You

seem like a like a a real rough person, and I I'm sad for your life, and I hope you find better. But in the absence of that, ghost them immediately. I mean, she didn't offer any kind of, like, hey. We're getting on in years. We don't like traveling. No. Yeah. You know? Like, if they're 40 and they got a couple kids, let's say that that was couple let's say three years ago. So, like, these people are twenty years older. They're, like, 63, 65. And so, like, you're like, we don't see very well at night. We don't like to drive at night. You know, like, it's kinda old people stuff. I'd be like, okay. It's a different story. You know? Ask your friends. I gotta be honest with you. We never liked you, and your kids are gross to us.

And frankly, I find your company to be it makes me want to take antacid. I hope you don't have grandkids. Right. Exactly. That's what I was just thinking is, like, I'm no longer I'm no longer interested in being around toddlers. Yeah. How how what is your life like that you look at a toddler and do ugh. Like, I can understand. Some toddlers are obnoxious. I won't I there's no denying energy. Like, there's some kids that I'm just like, I I have grace for that. Yeah. But, like, just to flat out be like, I don't wanna be around toddlers anymore. I have no patience for this, and I'm past this in my life. Dude, they're the best when they're not yours. Right? That's what I was thinking. They're freaking so much fun. Joy that you get to hand back to parents as messy as you want to. Like, they can have run-in mud and spaghetti sauce. Let me It doesn't freaking matter. Let me ask you this question. If you're the couple Which one? You know, if you're the young couple. Yep. I'm trying to think what is best service to them. Yeah. Wouldn't wouldn't you rather know have them tell you so that you can go so that, like, they have the ability to go, those old people are wacky. Yeah. Totally. Otherwise, if you they just ghost you, like, what did we do? But now you know for a fact that's because they're they're quirky.

Like, wouldn't you rather know? Oh, yeah. It would be best for this couple to, like, show their true colors. Okay. Yeah. Totally. Undoubtedly true. So our advice is you should go tell them directly Yeah. Just so you can out yourself as a as a geriatric turd. Yes. What if your it seems like the husband's pretty cool. He's like, we should still Well Hang out with these people. I think she said he's willing to do this even to our mutual dissatisfaction or something along those lines. That's what I think I think she's speaking for both of them. Yeah. That's possible. I think he digs on this situation, and he's being a good dude. Good on him. Oh, what do you do if you're that guy? Your wife insists upon it. She's like, we're gonna tell him. We're gonna tell him together. You would agree. Not you do not agree with the thing this woman's gonna say. Here's the deal. You should have made a better decision fifty years ago. Know, but that's the this is the position he's in now. What does he do? Yeah. Go to church. I see. And they find good Jesus people. They do that already. That's not true. Yes. That's not true. She just has a little taller. She doesn't work in her. I mean, here's the thing. Needs to speak to her as a full Hold on a minute. Now listen. You can love everybody and not, like, have everybody as your friend. Right. That's unreasonable.

What if you just don't get along with them? What what part of that was was a was a disagreement with what we've been saying? Because you're you're because you're like, they need to go to church and fix this. They just don't like them. Oh, this is much further than just they don't like them, Mike. That doesn't sound like. They just don't wanna hang out. I think you're taking it in wrong then. These are, like, angry curmudgeony people. I think they don't wanna be around toddlers. One angry curmudgeony. This is one person speaking for a married couple, and the husband's like, I don't think we should bail on this at all. That's the that's the thing you're supposing. I suppose the opposite. Neither of us have the the the ability to argue with an actual point of authority. So you feel like the the husband's in on this? Yes. I feel like the husband's in And he wants to keep up the charade for what reason? Because it's it's more convenient to not have to actually deal with this, and it's it's too much effort. It's too much effort to even try and break this. Isn't it more effort to have to, like, have dinner with him? Not this fella. It's it's every six months to a year? This is a unique guy that you're paying. Yeah. Just okay. Arguably same for you. No. I don't think so. No. As the story This is a super fun argument, fellas, that seems to have a possible conclusion. I mean, as the story has been presented itself, basically, she just said all she said about the husband was he disagrees. That's it. That's all you know about the man. He disagrees with her. Yeah. And but they both are mutually dissatisfied. That's say that. What? No. Yeah. You're right. It just said that the lady did the the the woman doesn't like their company, and the man does it sounds like it's fine. Yeah. He's alright with it. I I feel like there's a part that I I would need to reread then because I don't think that's true. Alright. So your advice to the people is just cut it. Be honest. Say, look. We're not coming. We're done. I think that is the best service to the young couple. Alright. Segular says, I disagree with your husband. The problem with playing charades is not that all the player

is that not all the players are able to decode the pantomime. Save yourself a world of frustration in addition to the money you are spending on fuel, and tell the couple that it's time for them to make friends with other parents of young children in their community. Explain that you have raised a family and the trip is onerous for you, which is why you are calling a halt to it. So lie. If if you are their only friends, as they have stated, it is important that they cultivate relationships with other parents if only so their children can form relationships with other children. Yeah. That's a real cookie cutter way to handle it. Yeah. Right. Yep. Yeah. Think it's bad advice. I I I'm I'm I'm more I think you should be, like, you should be honest. I mean, because it's to you Mike, to your point, like, it's fine if they don't wanna hang out with them. Like, it's okay if they don't like people. And it's it's even okay if that's the reason. Like, if she just doesn't like being around kids, some people just don't. I don't I mean, I'm not sure it's terribly

curmudgeonly. I think it's it's a little bit of blaming. She just don't wanna admit that, like, just say the harsh thing, which is we just don't like you. That's said a couple things. There's a difference between, like, babysitting a toddler where you're, like, in care of this kid and you haven't been in the parenting realm for a while and, like, all your outlets exposed and you got all your your porcelain stuff everywhere. You know what saying? The place He's gotta break his jacket. Just crap. Your dog occasionally bites people, and now you're like, great. Now there's toddlers out here pulling his ears and stuff. Like, that's reasonable. Right? But, like, if you're going to their house with their toys and their rules, you you just get to, like, draw mustaches on them and with permanent marker and cut a trail. Like, I don't understand you. Yeah. We're just from different worlds, I guess. I'm still I'm still more like, we can let it go, but I'm still more interested in this husband. I just think he's in a rough spot. Yeah. We're letting it go. Yeah. Alright. Last one. Dear, I'm from the path. I'm a member of AA.

A fellow AA member suffered critical injuries in a motorcycle accident recently and had been in the ICU for several weeks. I visited the hospital regularly, bringing cookies and offering support to his girlfriend who was also in the program. During my last visit, I unknowingly arrived at the exact moment doctors began to withdraw life support. I had no idea it was going to happen and witnessed the kind of raw grief that comes in moments like that. Afterward, I hugged his girlfriend and quietly left. Only later did I learn that many in our AA group knew he was being taken off life support that day. I'm now devastated. I worry that his girlfriend and family think I showed up intentionally, intruding on such a deeply private painful moment. I'm afraid I caused harm or I only meant to help. I don't know when I'll see her again to make amends. How do I come to terms with what I've done? Dude, stop making it about you.

Yeah. They're not thinking about you. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And, like, yeah. I yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't even go as far as to say, like, explain it to her when you see her next. Yeah. Hopefully, you don't have to talk through it. Just yeah. Yeah. If she's like, what were you doing? Right. Yeah. She asked the question. Explained yourself. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Because I cared, but that I really didn't. I wish I did come on purpose. I mean A weird situation. Know, man. Like, that had to feel weird. Do you know what I'm saying? Like Oh, undoubtedly. Super, like, intense, close, like, moment of, like, your really inner circle, and then here's some kind of wild man from your AA days bringing cookies, and you're like, me, man. Now now in his defense, I mean, I'm probably a little callous to this because I've been in that situation many, many, many times.

Most people haven't. It is an intimidating and scary and wild Yeah. Trying to navigate the concept of your own emotions and grief and trying to in any way decipher other people's emotions and grief is a hard thing. So we'll give him grace here. Yeah. Totally. Yeah. But don't worry about it. That'd be the Yeah. Yeah. You're probably not being thought of. It was very nice that you were trying to be help like, nice in the couple weeks.

Yeah. I chalk it up as a nonevent and not bring it up unless they bring it up. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's fair. Alright. Secular says, you must not blame yourself for something you didn't know. That's the horrible life advice. That is that doesn't play into most things. But, anyway, during the weeks you visited that man and his girlfriend at the hospital, I am sure you brought comfort to the girlfriend and any family member you encountered. The next time you see her, tell her how sorry you are for her loss, that you didn't realize how close her boyfriend was to the end, and apologize if your presence caused any pain. I'm sure it did not. Yeah. I don't know. That's yeah. I I did not mention any of that. Yeah. It's just gonna create an awkward moment. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because there's a chance she's gonna have to go, yeah. No. We didn't we didn't think about you at all. Yeah. Right. She might even realize you were there. Right. Yeah. Oh, I forgot you were there, and then now you're doubly horrible. And then she'll feel bad because she's like, I didn't acknowledge your presence there, and you were there at a hard time. And now there's some burden on her and attacks on your emotions for her. Yeah. I'd stay out of all that mess. Yeah. Agreed.

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