Debrief: the rejected premise and the church's role

The hosts debrief Dave's visit, laughing that he rejected Ben's premise outright ('that was his way of saying you're an idiot'). Ben restates his point: shrinking government fails unless the mindset changes, since programs like Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security are politically untouchable; the church dropped the ball on caring for the poor and elderly, creating the gap government filled.