Number one: 'No church is perfect'

• Is 'no church is perfect' a harmful response to someone hurt by the church?

A host reads the Relevant Magazine article's first misguided response, 'no church is perfect,' and the article author's backstory of mission-organization abuse in Africa and a pastor who told him to lie or stay quiet. The hosts push back on the article's framing: the statement itself is true, but as an opener it skips the hurting human and switches the discussion to defending the institution. They land on order and timing — validate the harm and treat the person first, and the statement has a legitimate later place for perspective.