Moral America vs a nation of disciples

The hosts debate the evangelical political strategy: investing in changing laws ('moral America,' even defunding Planned Parenthood) versus making disciples and changing people. They argue the early church never tried to fix Rome, a kingdom where abortion is legal but no one wants one reflects Christ better than one where it's illegal but everyone clamors for it, and that true authority starts in local churches. One host shares a testimony: twenty years ago his pregnant wife hemorrhaged, and they chose the baby's life regardless of the law. The Reaganomics model (top-down trickle) is contrasted with bottom-up discipleship, two by two.