Breen's thesis: the missional church is a car without an engine
- What is the missional movement, and why will it fail?
The hosts read through Mike Breen's article 'Why the Missional Movement Will Fail': a missional church without discipleship is 'a car without an engine'; 'if you make disciples, you always get the church'; a 30-day Twitter study found 100-150x more talk of mission than discipleship — people 'addicted to and obsessed with the work of the kingdom with little to no idea how to be with the king.' Breen cites Skye Jethani's Out of Ur post (rendered 'Sky Gethany' in the transcript) on leaders replacing 'the transcendent vitality of a life with God for the ego satisfaction they derive from a life for God.' The hosts push back on classifying church things as 'movements' at all.
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Church, emotions, and the self-focus of affluence
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Ben revives a question from two or three shows back: are church services and worship tunes postured toward certain personality types — predominantly emotions and dealing with emotions?
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Leadership training for church leaders: get a business manager
- Do people who lead churches need leadership training?
Mike's real question: to what extent do people need leadership training to lead churches? Ben gives two distinct answers.
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The New Testament case for human shaping
- What does the New Testament actually say about spiritual authority and submission?
Ben walks the New Testament texts: Hebrews 13:17 ('obey your leaders and submit to them, for they keep watch over your souls') presumes a soul-watching laborer, not a rule-maker;…
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Confetti and lasers: what should God's people be known for?
- Do we want to be known as the confetti and lasers people?
- What should God's people be known for?
Ben redirects to the docket's denomination question: when someone hears Silas's church described as 'the confetti and lasers people,' should that sting?
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