They don't have a king: kingship in Western culture

Wagner reflects on American resistance to kingship — 'our culture exists because we gave the finger to a king' — leaving believers with no reference for 'one king.' He confesses his own habit of treating God as one authority among layers, asking for 'a little bit of power' to do good work, when submission to one King means having none. The hosts agree the church struggles with what freedom is and what it is for.