Pagan roots of holidays, Easter, and the Ouija board distinction

The hosts trace how Christian holidays absorbed pagan solstice customs, noting Jesus likely was not born in December and linking Easter's name and the bunny to the fertility goddess Ishtar. They argue this does not invalidate the holidays, since created things are not inherently evil — with one caveat: a host says he would not use an Ouija board to commune with the Holy Spirit, because it was intentionally designed to open people to dark forces, unlike a pine tree, which Jeremiah's passage does not describe as an idol-making process comparable to carving an idol by hand.