The hosts push back on standing outside the church circle to condemn it: people in churches are fallible, but the picture of God's enemies doesn't describe ordinary believers. They find it hard to swallow a system where belief in the date becomes the test of election, and cite 2 Peter 3:9 ('God is not slow... not wanting anyone to perish'), Romans 3:23 ('all have fallen short'), and John 14:6 — arguing Steve's framework takes power out of Jesus' sacrifice.
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Church, emotions, and the self-focus of affluence
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Mike's real question: to what extent do people need leadership training to lead churches? Ben gives two distinct answers.
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The New Testament case for human shaping
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Confetti and lasers: what should God's people be known for?
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- What should God's people be known for?
Ben redirects to the docket's denomination question: when someone hears Silas's church described as 'the confetti and lasers people,' should that sting?
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