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April 21, 2025 · 1:49 · 19 min

Pope Francis has died: how the Church chooses the next pope

  • How does the Catholic Church choose the next pope after Francis's death?

Ben reports that Pope Francis died today and the hosts dig into how a new pope is chosen: a two-to-three-week conclave of cardinals under 80, up to four secret votes a day with ballots sewn together, black smoke for no consensus and white smoke when two-thirds agree, and the new pope choosing his name. Ben contrasts Benedict and John Paul's theologian style with Francis's pastoral style (Francis of Assisi, care for the poor, peripheral cities, plain Vatican housing), jokes that Kenneth Copeland, Joel Osteen, and Jesse Duplantis in one room could never reach two-thirds, and closes saying that even though they are not Catholic, the pope's influence on how the world sees Jesus is worth praying for. Mike supplies Francis's full name, Jorge Mario Bergoglio.

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