The church-hurt question: the Matthew 18 path

The framing question returns: what do you do when you believe a church leader wronged you. The hosts teach the reconciliation path — go personally, bring two or three trusted witnesses, then involve the community — with a David-and-Saul allusion ('you brought him in as king, you take him out') and the 'find the part that's true' tactic. Explicit carve-out: criminal abuse is not a church-discipline problem — 'You call the police, like, right now... we don't cover up crimes.' (Note: seg-00362 is labeled speaker-0 but refers to Ben in the third person, a diarization merge; the speaker is not Ben.)