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October 24, 2011 · 1:16:42 · 13 min

Christ's return, Gethsemane, and how much deity Jesus set aside

  • Was Jesus' anguish in Gethsemane about the cross or about becoming sin?
  • How much of his deity did Jesus set aside to become man?

Riffing on the end-times lady, the hosts imagine Christ's return — one pictures an eight-story horse, then unpacks the symbolism: kings rode horses as conquerors, while Jesus entered Jerusalem on a donkey as a humble man. Troy asks about Gethsemane — whether Jesus' anguish was fear of the cross or of becoming sin — and the group agrees it was becoming sin and separation from the Father, citing Lee Strobel's 'The Case for Christ.' They debate how much deity Christ set aside (one argues he chose not to use it; another that he still knew men's thoughts), and reject the 'poor Jesus' framing: the crucified Christ is the same conquering king who knowingly took the beating.

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