Lau at the homeless camp: checkbox Christians vs. real faith

• What is the difference between real faith in Christ and merely checking the boxes of church attendance?

A host recounts meeting Lau, a man at a homeless camp who had just finished a year-long substance abuse program and known Jesus about a year, whose sister — a churchgoer of ten to fifteen years who works in the church — could not understand his talk of the Holy Spirit convicting him of sin. The hosts use this to draw the episode's contrast between 'checkbox Christians' who attend church without a relationship with Christ and those who have 'jumped off the cliff,' and riff on evangelism vs. shepherding: evangelists describe the parachute, shepherds help people remove the rocks from it, and most people botch evangelism by shepherding non-Christians ('trying to help non-Christians how to be better Christians').