Reacting to the church abuse scandals

The hosts react to the Pennsylvania Catholic Church report of thousands of abused children and multi-layer cover-ups reaching toward the Vatican, alongside the Bill Hybels/Willow Creek situation. They argue the church must call sin what it is rather than cover it up ('start arresting people... they can repent in jail'), trace the pattern to leaders and institutions building their own kingdoms instead of God's, and recount the history from early-church patriarchs through the papacy and the schism. The discussion cites Matthew 5 on settling with your brother before bringing your offering, and David and Nathan, to argue that repentance and reconciliation are a bright, shiny witness the cover-up destroys.