If you attract them with the circus, you keep the circus

Dan quotes the old-time preacher's line that if you attract them with the circus you will have to keep the circus, and the room laughs that it is now done with sword swallowers. Ben estimates 80 to 90 percent of such conferences is solid and true, with the 20 percent of garbage spectacle doing the damage, and proposes a secondary committee to veto anything that sounds like something Dave thought of. He wishes the James River pastor had taken the mic and talked it out with Driscoll theologically in front of the men instead of chucking him: that would have been a manly thing; throwing people off a stage is a wussy thing.