Practicing humility: pain, not counting, faithful means

Asked what to do practically to keep the main thing the main thing, Ben says he finds humility in deep, dark places and has prayed God not take away his pain because peace makes him push God out. Dan recalls starting house-church gatherings for two people in winter, arguing the only measurement that matters is whether he showed up and represented Jesus faithfully — “faithful in the means, God will handle the ends.” Ben adds that revivals come from humility, and Dan proposes the Jenga-block test: remove the gifted worship leader or teacher for a month and see whether the tower leans.