Evaluating the event: Elijah, Josiah, the sign of Jonah, the donuts test
- How do we tell whether a church element has become the thing itself rather than pointing to Jesus?
The hosts work through evaluation tools for curated experiences: Elijah didn't ask God to repeat the fire, and Jesus refused to repeat signs for the Pharisees ('you get the sign of Jonah'); Mike recalls Josiah's revival through simply reading the law — no synth, no fog; Ben proposes the test that if removing an element (donuts, burritos, the cajon) would make people leave, that element has become the thing itself; Mike warns against 'selling a Timu holy spirit,' a faked atmosphere of the Spirit's movement.
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- How can you tell the difference between you speaking and God speaking?
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