The pendulum swing and the Great Commission

• Are churches actually making disciples, and how would they know?

One host offers a pendulum-swing caution: the church has swung from 'convert, convert, convert' toward discipleship, which is good, but overcomplicated systems and classes risk disqualifying genuinely early-stage disciples. He walks through the Great Commission in Matthew 28 — going, baptizing, teaching them to obey — arguing every study and conversation is already discipleship, and the missing piece is intentionality about next steps. The group wrestles with whether the imperative is to create discipleship opportunities or to ensure something actually happens inside them.