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October 23, 2017 · 1:07:51 · 13 min

Consumerism, scale, and the long game

The hosts debate whether community care is only charity for those who cannot afford experts, or can actually change the system; one notes hospitals are juggernauts and the consumer mindset ('I do not want to change my life, just give me the pill') is a real barrier. One host compares his own conversion on essential oils - from 'dumb' to daily use after meeting practitioners - as a model for how exposure, not argument, moves skeptics. They note a lone holdout does not change premiums tomorrow; it is a fifteen-year long game requiring a million people, and they doubt society has the stomach for it.

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